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Wednesday, 10 May 2006

No Da Vinci Code in Egypt

The movie will not be shown in Egypt , the same way the arabic translated book is not allowed in the country. Lovely, no?


52 Responses to “No Da Vinci Code in Egypt”

  1. RocketRay Says:

    SM, what’s the reasoning behind the ban? It’s a work of fiction, the author of the book and the director of the movie are both on the record saying that. Does it somehow offend Muslim sensibilities?

    IMHO it’s ridiculous. This is evidence that they feel Islam is so weak it cannot withstand a Hollywod movie. WTF?

  2. Anna in Cairo Says:

    I think it is probably because it offends Coptic sensibilities. Though the issue of his getting married and having kids may be against Muslim texts as well.

  3. Roba Says:

    Maaaaaaaaan! Even Egypt? Jordan and Lebanon too.
    MANNNNNNNNN! I HATE THE ARAB WORLD.

  4. Maxxed`ouT Says:

    This is major Egyptian church ass kissing .
    We don’t wanna upset the copts again now do we !

  5. tomanbay Says:

    Although I broke the story of the Arabic novel ban…I don’t think that they’ll go as far as banning the actual movie (although, it is a crazy government I know, and nothing is too wacky for them)…
    I think the fact that Egypt is not listed on the list you linked to has to do with a distribution issue. I know that Sony doesn’t have direct representation in Egypt, and the distribution is done through another company, so this is probably the reason…
    Or so I hope!

    Anna: Well, ther is nothing about that in Islamic texts, so it is not really against Muslim texts (neither with also!)

  6. ak47 Says:

    it ain’t upseting muslims ,its the coptic church issue

  7. Suzanne Says:

    :)
    http://www.thetruejesus.org/

    This is also an interesting theory:
    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1340/jesus_in_india.htm

  8. Mmmmmmmmm Says:

    This really sucks. I thank the internet for being able to download it.. what choice do I have ?
    Damn it ! The Author kept saying: It’s just a work of fiction !!

  9. Anon Says:

    Seems that even in the “Land of the Free” (www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2006-04-16-opusdei-davinci_x.htm)
    the rush is on to ban it before they know what’s in it.
    “Ascension Press teamed up with Catholic Exchange and Catholic Outreach to create an easily accessible, question-and-answer book that thoroughly refutes the blasphemous claims that are harming the faith of millions in The Da Vinci Code”
    What’s the difference between a Bible Belt American and an Islamic Militant ?
    - - a lot less tan you might think !

  10. Mohamed Says:

    Exactly Anon.

  11. Chris in Manitoba Says:

    Well, maybe you can order it online later on a DVD.

    Just request shipping in a “plain paper wrapper” ;) like you would for any porn

  12. mariro Says:

    Believe me, you aren’t missing anything! It is an extremely dull book whose apparent aim is to undermine the faith of Christians. I think the Islamisists would be the first to praise it (if they did not fund it)

    Maybe they the government is operating under the flag of reason: if they don’t want cartoons of Mohammed, they shouldn’t brut about aspersions on the faith of others

  13. Chris in Manitoba Says:

    Anon,
    Those church groups in the US are not banning it, just putting out info to remind people that it’s fiction. I can’t really blame them, many people seem to confuse fiction with fact.

  14. Chip Says:

    When Tom Hanks needs 24-7 protection and Dan Brown gets a hundred fatwas and ten times that in leet speak death threats, then we might be getting to Christianity coming close to Islam the way the loony bin practices it today.

  15. nomad Says:

    anyways you won’t miss a chef-d’oeuvre !

    as Anon says, the book is so dull,

    full of esoterism and easily identifiable

  16. Chip Says:

    Religious freedom report - May, 2006

    Christians can be batty, some violent, some polygamous with little girls, but there isn’t a single Christian theocracy in the entire world.

    Christianity used to be the religion I found most annoying, until I got “convert, submit + pay the jizya, or die.”

  17. Badr Says:

    the question is, is it really fiction ?, most fiction has some underlyng truth

  18. Anon Says:

    as Anon says, the book is so dull,
    Actually Anon says the book is a great roistering wonderful piece of fiction.

  19. Sean Shalor Says:

    mariro says …
    “whose apparent aim is to undermine the faith of Christians.”
    Do you REALLY think that fiction writers have secret agendas ..?

    “I think the Islamisists would be the first to praise it (if they did not fund it)”
    Or that Islamists armed with AK47s would bother with such dilettantism ..?

    Perhaps Dan Brown was right about you guys :-)

  20. Egypeter Says:

    Maxed out:

    “This is major Egyptian church ass kissing .
    We don’t wanna upset the copts again now do we !”

    Nice dude. Upset the Copts? What do you mean? Like stab them in their church while they’re praying? Or targe Egyptian Christian shops like in the Dahab bombings? What kinda stupid hypocritical question was that? And then “Ass kissing?” Copts in Egypt can’t even build a church without getting attacked!! Do you think they have the authority to impose a ban of a movie in Egypt? What a joke. This stupid movie is the least of the Copts problems when it comes to the Egyptian mainstream media!! Maybe it’s muburak’s way of trying to reconcile with the Copts after all the crazy shit that’s been happening to them. By your ignorant comment, if you’re from Egypt, it shows me enough to be concerned.

    Peace

  21. Egypeter Says:

    Oh, and as far as the book undermining Christianity. Well, to faithful and strong Christians it does nothing to hurt their faith. Not only because their faith is strong but because if you know the history of early Christianity you can easily decipher what is accurate and what is not.

    As a novel, I though it was damn entertaining. But most lukewarm Christians, who don’t know, may actually accept what he’s saying as truth.

    Anyway, Angels and Demons blows it away.

  22. Chip Says:

    The completely fake part of the Da Vinci Code is the part dealing with a Priory of Zion and Opus Dei. The POZ stuff comes from three French fakers who were made famous in the book Holy Blood, Holy Grail.

    So the entire plot is totally bogus, especially the way he attacks the Catholic Church. There is no great battle or cover up.

    The sexual stuff was probably added to sell books. It certainly has nothing to do with Christianity. Even in the Dead Sea Scrolls and non-canonical gospels - there are a couple dozen - nothing like that appears.

    Some of the more interesting stuff deals with religions having masculine and feminine characteristics going back for millenia. There is a “Gospel” of Mary Magdalene. That’s non-canonical, of course.

    The Council of Nicea (325 AD) is a historical fact, but there were many other meetings where the gospels were selected as well. The Council of Nicea is important because it made Arian Christianity a heresy. The Merovingians (real French royal family) were Arian Christians until Clovis converted.

    What isn’t mentioned in the book is just how nasty some of the Merovingians were. There’s not many books on the subject. The History of the Franks by Bishop Gregory of Tours (Sixth Century) is basically THE source for information on the Merovingians.

    The Cathars did exist. There’s no reason to believe they had some sort of massive family tree on a rolodex or something when some of them escaped from Montsegur. For more info on the Cathars, search “Albigensian Crusade.” That is another bit of creative writing from Holy Blood, Holy Grail - the Cathar “secret” theory.

    There are many “heresies” from the Arians (Third Century) to the Jehovah’s Witnesses (Today) who have esoteric views of Jesus. If I did some digging I could come up with at least a dozen between the Arians and today, including the Cathars, and some of the early Gnostics.

    Some French people really do believe Mary Magdalene landed in the Languedoc many moons ago. But the child, “Sarah,” was said to be an Egyptian slave girl.

    There are so-called Black Madonnas.

    The Templars did live over the Temple of Solomon, in the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

    By the way, that’s the most interesting potential archaeological site in the world. I wish people would quit fighting over it and realize it belongs to the entire world, not just the Muslims who exclude everyone else today.

  23. tommy Says:

    Egypeter,

    Gee! You mean maybe this effort to ban the book is a ploy by Mubarak? Maybe he is (misguidedly) trying to curry some favor with the Copts after the recent incidents? Nah….not Mubarak. He wouldn’t stoop to such behavior. Not Mooboo…I don’t believe it. C’mon on!?!

    Chip said:

    What isn’t mentioned in the book is just how nasty some of the Merovingians were. There’s not many books on the subject. The History of the Franks by Bishop Gregory of Tours (Sixth Century) is basically THE source for information on the Merovingians.

    Yeah, I’ve portions of that. The Frankish rulers certainly were very duplicitous and bloodthirsty even with their own relatives. They were hardly models of Christian behavior. I remember one Frankish ruler basically being quoted as saying that he was upset that he had no more relatives . . . to kill, that is. He had assassinated them all.

  24. Ian McCulloch Says:

    i’ve never heard of religionists being motivated to explain that tales about witches and werewolves are just stories - and it’s hard to believe that the world has dumbed down to the point where we need to have it explained that FICTION is not TRUTH. I’m inclined to believe that the bible-bashers are just seizing an opportunity to evangelise. The usual atttention seeking behaviour no less.

  25. Egypeter Says:

    Tommy:

    “Maybe he is (misguidedly) trying to curry some favor with the Copts after the recent incidents?”

    lol. He’s done it before. January 7th is the Orthodox (not just Coptic) Christmas and a few years back he made it a national holiday. Well, thanks. I don’t mean that sarcastically, but what has it done to solving the roots of the problem? Maybe Pharaoh Muburak is banning this movie as a way of showing that his government does care about not offending the sensibilities of all of its citizens. Well, bull shit. It’s like when they show the Coptic Patriarch of Alexandria sharing a meal after some big feast putting up a facade of peaceful coexistance. Again, bull shit.

    Ian M you said:

    “and it’s hard to believe that the world has dumbed down to the point where we need to have it explained that FICTION is not TRUTH.”

    NO DOUBT. Ain’t that the truth. Now think about that in the Arab world. Egypt has at least a 40% illiterate rate. Just try and fathom how hard it is in that region of the world where conspiracy theorists are reliable news outlets.

  26. tommy Says:

    Oh, I agree Egypeter.

    Mooboo is a autocratic con-artist.

  27. Egypeter Says:

    For sure tommy. I know you do. I’ve read enough of your comments to know that you’ve got it figured out! Do you live in the states? Do you have any middle eastern friends? Just curious.

  28. Egypeter Says:

    Made an error. In #25 I said:

    “It’s like when they show the Coptic Patriarch of Alexandria sharing a meal after some big feast putting up a facade of peaceful coexistance. Again, bull shit.

    *I meant to say the Coptic Patriarch sharing a meal during a celebration with the head Sheikh of Al Azhar, Tantawi and giving the illusion of unity.

    And then I read what some muslim anon said:

    “What’s the difference between a Bible Belt American and an Islamic Militant ?- - a lot less tan you might think !”

    What!? That is so ignorant. You’re comparing some courageous US Catholic groups who are peacefully putting information together to explain the Da Vinci Code to “Islamic Millitants?” Are you crazy? What world do you live in where there is little difference b/w these two?

  29. Viatrix Says:

    Censorship aside, you’re not missing anything, SM…it doesn’t really qualify as a “full book,” maybe only a half a book or so. His work has the extraordinary ability to kill off your “little grey cells.”

    Hence, despite my love for outlandish, ridiculous movies (e.g. Tomb Raider and the like), I, for one, will be conserving the few neurons I have left and skipping the movie. (Which is a pity, really, because Paul Bettany seems to be in it.)

  30. tommy Says:

    Yes Egypeter,

    I’m an American. Currently I am in the Pacific Northwest, where I have lived most of my life. I’ve also lived in Texas and a few other places briefly.

    I’m a student. I’m majoring in chemistry. One of the people in my dorm is a Shi’ite from Saudi Arabia. He is a very nice fellow. A fairly quiet guy. He has told me some interesting stories about his family and life in Saudi Arabia (and about Sunni repression and interference with the Shi’a in Saudi, as well). I believe he belongs to the small “Sevener” group of Shi’ites. He is from the southern part of Saudi Arabia. Not far from Yemen, I believe.

    There are also quite a few Indians (including many Muslims) and Middle Easterners on campus but I have had only occasional contact with any of them, besides my Saudi friend in the dorm.

    I also have a friend, an American, who’s family worked over in Saudi for several years. Her father was a contractor. She has told me quite a bit about her experiences in Saudi.

    Finally, I have a relative in the FBI who often travels overseas. So I have heard a lot from him. He is frequently involved in counterterrorism-related work. He has travelled all over the world including the Middle East. He went to Kenya and Tanzania after the embassy bombings years ago, was in New York during 9/11 and involved in FBI he has been in and out of Iraq quite frequently since the invasion. He was actually in a helicopter that was shot down during the beginning of the war. Luckily he and the rest of the crew he was with were not injured. He also has been to Morocco, Kuwait, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Yemen and probably a few other countries in the region. He got to go to Greece right before the Olympics there. (He thought Greece had the best looking women he had ever seen, BTW.)

    Before he joined the FBI, he was a Secret Service agent during the Bush Sr.and and part of the Clinton years. He thought joining the FBI would mean better pay and less travel. He was right about the better pay. He was completely wrong about the travel!

    I haven’t met any Copts though, unfortunately. In fact, I haven’t met any Egyptians personallyl.

  31. nomad Says:

    “Actually Anon says the book is a great roistering wonderful piece of fiction”.

    a plot joke

    by the ways the merovingiens are known for being lazy guis, it’s why the palace mayors used to make policy and it’s also why, a certain hugues capet took the power and that was the begining of the capetiens, with the well known charlemagne imperator of holy german empire , for franken are as well french and german

    as far with the cathars, the origin is to be sued to a certain bogomil, a bulgarian monk who spread a kind of early christian practices in roman catholic religion, first in bulgaria, then yougoslavia and south west of france.

    Philippe le bel the king of france persecuted them and the templars, because they became a strong power inside a kingdom which was in state of rebuilding ;

  32. Hal Says:

    My God…I can’t believe the entire discussion that has arisen and how severely so many of you have MISSED THE POINT.

    Think above religion, for a second, you obsessive freaks (I’m smiling, not attacking, so settle down for a second). This is simply another attack on one’s freedom of expression and freedom of thought. We are living in the 21st century, where each of our countries is a microcasm of the entire world, where globalization is a state of being, and yet we are STILL subjected to bans. Whether movies, books, shows, artwork, statues, etc…it can be banned if our government so deems it, and we have no say in the matter.

    Yes, in this case there is a religious reason for it, I don’t deny it. But my God, we are expected to be subservient to such an extent that we cannot be allowed to watch an entertaining bit of fiction without someone else’s permission or approval? I am furious about this - FURIOUS - ever since, months ago, I heard of the decision to ban the book in Lebanon and in Jordan.( Nevermind that I have purchased several copies of this book in both English AND Arabic from both countries, which is an entirely different issue in itself.)

    Banning is a relic we’ve brought over from the Dark Ages. Artistic expression and freedom of thought has no place in a society ruled by extremists and retarded idiots - and I say this not in relation to Egypt only because it is not onle in Egypt where the movie will be banned. Jordan too. And more on the way.

    I suppose “they’d” do anything to ensure we don’t start thinking for ourselves. Never mind that their stupidity does not allow them to realize how much more appealing this mediocre book and blockbuster style film has become to the public - what is forbidden is tempting and desired, and they can’t seem to realize that bad publicity is still publicity.

    The point here is the BAN. Period. I don’t care about the reasons or impetus behind it. There must be freedom of thought and expression with NO restrictions and NO conditions. Cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed in a Danish newspaper? Freedom of expression. Statues of a naked woman in the middle of a park? Freedom of thought. Article on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transvestite issues in a magazine? Freedom of expression. Movie based on a book that is FICTION and yet runs with the idea of Catholicism? Freedom of thought.

    This should be protested - I refuse to accept this and allow a totalitarian government tell me what I should and should not think about and what I should and should not be subjected to. This is why we have education and individuality and FREEDOM.

    Oh no. Wait. What freedom? Silly me.

  33. nomad Says:

    “certain hugues capet” , sorrry, i wanted to say : pepin le bref (the small), of course, and carolingiens !

    templars possessed many castels and territories,and the king needed badly those lands to sit his power

    to come back to the topic, this film is not such a serious dilemne so that it should be forbidden ; but we can see the damages it causes on certain credule people, as far I Know, even 25 % in France think the facts could be historical !

  34. tommy Says:

    We got the point, Hal. What do you want to do about it?

    Maybe there needs to be a blog focusing on banned literature in the Mideast. There is an idea….

  35. Hal Says:

    Tommy, your idea is great and if not a blog, then at least regular posts on banned literature is something I would love to get into - so thanks for that. As for what I want to do about, well, whatever occurs to me. I’ll bring it up in my weekly column, I’ll post about it, I’ll rant about it every chance I get to make sure people are aware of these constant restrictions on them as individuals, and so on. I will most definately not put up with it and adhere to the status quo, nor will I be afraid to stand up for what I believe in.

    Any other ideas you might have, let me know.

  36. Egypeter Says:

    Nice Tommy. Hopefully one day you’ll get a chance to meet an Egyptian. Most are really good people…unlike sandmonkey, BP and myself :)

    The Pacific Northwest is probably the most beautiful part of our beautiful country. Anyway, take care man.

    Peace

  37. Maxxed`ouT Says:

    ُEgypeter

    I’m not denying that the copts have been screwed over in Egypt many times and on so many levels .
    But bear in mind they know very well how to profit of these situations .. specially now that the media is sensibilised to their isuue .
    Now anyone who dares to have a conflict of interests with them is automatically anti-copt , an extremist , a radical muslim .
    They are becoming masters at playing that string …
    As to this one specefic incident , i really believe that banning this movie was upon a church request , or at least , to avoid a clash with it !
    I hope u still remember that movie ” ba7eb el cinema” and the fuzz the church stirred around it just because it dared illustrating the life of an Egyptian christian family that somehow takes religion to an extreme . A model that does exist in egyptian christian society . I know cause i am involved iwith that society .
    It was a luck that the film makers were all christians otherwise we never would have heard the end of it .
    I mean .. they make pictures about muslims extremists all the time and noone dared to object cause it is an existant fact .. but now for once they were christians .. its was all like “how dare they ! ”
    And ” Or targe Egyptian Christian shops like in the Dahab bombings? ” ????!
    pleeeeeease …
    u’re starting to sound like muslims who blames the jews for everything that’s gone bad with their miserables lives … starting from the egg thats gone bad in their fridge and ending with their rotten dictatorship regimes .
    You sure sound smarter than that !
    And please-o-please … dont go calling me a copto-phobic now
    cause am anything but !
    You might wanna check this post of mine
    http://maxxedout.blogspot.com/2006/04/queen-of-her-bubble.html

    On a different note , i’m goin to Monaco tomorrow for thr w/e and might not be able to reply you
    but it sure would be a pleasure to debate with you … given of course u’d stop calling me an ignorant .. cause am not
    i know what am talking about ..
    cheers

  38. Sean Shalor Says:

    Viatrix said on May 10th, 2006 at 7:59 pm …
    “…it doesn’t really qualify as a “full book,” maybe only a half a book or so. His work has the extraordinary ability to kill off your “little grey cells.”

    Wow - the dawn of a new secret weapon. Open the covers and ZAP.

    Could it be Viatrix that your unusual cerebral sensitivity is due to too much religion ?

  39. Schimi Says:

    Well, I’m a huge Dan Brown fan and I LOVED “The Da Vinci Code”. I was waiting for the movie and I wanted to see it sooooooo badly. I gues Egypt will be banning that movie to justify that “we” as Egyptians, or Arabs so they say, are not only defending the Muslim prophet but ALSO Christianity. I dunno whether you want to call this positive or negative, but as everyone said it’s fiction and it’s up to you to believe what Dan Brown claims or not. Banning the movie in my point of view is nonsense. We are one of few countries that are gonna ban it. With that happening do you think anyone would believe that “Egypt is changing at last” as everybody claims?

  40. Anon Says:

    Egypeter Says
    then I read what some muslim anon said:
    “What’s the difference between a Bible Belt American and an Islamic Militant ?- - a lot less than you might think !”
    What!? That is so ignorant. You’re comparing some courageous US Catholic groups who are peacefully putting information together to explain the Da Vinci Code to “Islamic Millitants?” Are you crazy? What world do you live in where there is little difference b/w these two?

    Egypeter,
    Your bellicose style is familiar but your conclusion is incorrect, I am not a muslim, nor am I crazy.

    My point is that the use of religion to ban, interdict, prohibit or whatever … is common to all those groups.
    Bush, Blair, Ahmadinejad, the grisly pious robber-barons of Saudi Arabia and most other “World Leaders” all claim to have God on their side in quite explicit terms.
    “Next to thee oh God America”
    “God save the Queen”
    “Allah Akhbar - Allah Akhbar”

    Religion might once have been intended as a personal, spiritual thing … but it has now become the preferred tool of every arch manipulator and lobby group - especially in Islamic countries AND the USofA. I won’t aggravate this overlong post with examples - you’ll find them everywhere.

  41. tommy Says:

    My point is that the use of religion to ban, interdict, prohibit or whatever … is common to all those groups.
    Bush, Blair, Ahmadinejad, the grisly pious robber-barons of Saudi Arabia and most other “World Leaders” all claim to have God on their side in quite explicit terms.

    Stop the equivocation, Anon. What piece of public literature has Bush ever banned?

  42. Anon Says:

    Tommy
    I suppose it’s already something that you read half a post !
    If you had continued, you would have seen that the point I was making was that Bush, like the others, explicitly claims to have God on his side. I would have thought you could “Google” as well as anybody but if you can’t, here’s one of many examples …
    Source “Common Dreams”, Portland, Maine USA

    President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden’s stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.

    Mr Bush told him (Nabil Shaath) and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: “I’m driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, ‘George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.’ And I did, and then God would tell me, ‘George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,’ and I did.”

    And “now again”, Mr Bush is quoted as telling the two, “I feel God’s words coming to me: ‘Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.’ And by God, I’m gonna do it.”

  43. Ian McCulloch Says:

    tommy asks: “What piece of public literature has Bush ever banned?”

    If you’re President of the USA (I’m sure you know this) you can effectively ban things without an embarrassing statute by a sign to your influential friends (the “haves and the have-mores” as he calls them) who will simply prevent distribution and access. Thus was the case with the universally acclaimed films “Fahrenheit 9/11″, “Control Room”, and to a lesser extent “Bowling for Columbine” which offended the tender sensibilitites of the gun lobby.

  44. tommy Says:

    Tommy
    I suppose it’s already something that you read half a post !

    No, I read the whole post. I understand you think this has something to do with religious sensibilities, I don’t see how “any of those groups” (including Bush) are banning stuff because of it.

    Ian McCulloch,

    What in the hell are you talking about? Anybody and their dog in the United States could get their hands on any of the movies you mentioned through any number of legitimate channels. They are hardly banned. Give me a break! If that is censorship, can we have more of it. Please.

    > “you can effectively ban things without an embarrassing statute”

    You are implying that the only thing preventing Bush from banning something with legal force is embarrassment. Of course, that is completey ridiculous. You moonbats really are off your rocker if you believe that. Bush does not and could not ban a piece of literature or a film legally.

    Please. Get real.

  45. Ian McCulloch Says:

    Sorry Tommy - you’ve still got it wrong - guess your apoplexy gets in the way of your understanding. Plenty of conviction there but not a lot of sense. Still, a guy like Bush need plenty like you to vote for him - could hardly do it on merit !

  46. tommy Says:

    What? No valid rebuttal of my denunciation of your comments? What a surprise.

  47. Nou Says:

  48. George A. Custer Says:

    Ian McCulloch suffers from the delusion that President Bush has somehow limited public access to any number of films that are readily available to anyone who wants them. (Wasn’t “Control Room” shown on PBS a while back? I forget.)

    If films are “universally acclaimed,” as I.M. asserts, doesn’t that imply that they were rather widely seen? My impression that Michael Moore was rolling in dough and that all he had to fend off was criticism that hurt his iddle feewings…

    Does anybody know where I.M.’s bizarre notions might have originated?

  49. mostafa Says:

    The movie is not refused by Egyptian Moslems but by the egyptian christians
    the movie and the novel agree upon a very important issue that JESUS was only a human being not a god like ISLAM says.

  50. mostafa Says:

    I mean the novel say the story of ISLAM about jesus that he was just a man and a messenger froem god

  51. Viatrix Says:

    Hehe :) Alas, Sean, I am terribly sorry to disappoint you, but I’m afraid it’s his writing that just does me in. There is something about his writing and his characterization, or lack thereof, that as akin to what one can find in mediocre fan fiction. Although I must admit he does do a good job at moving his plots along. So, no, Mr. Brown’s oeuvre is not my fictional cup of tea, regardless of what my faith may or may not be; I know of religious folks who have liked his work, and non-religious folks who have had reactions similar to mine.

  52. yoseph Says:

    that’s how it is with religious folks ,they always talk about faith and strong
    beliefs,but,they wouldn’t dare put them through the faintest trial even it was
    in the form of a fiction movie..fragile and pathetic bunch of hypocrites

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