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Al Qaeda funds its operations by selling pakistani christian kids into slavery .
And people wonder why I HATE JIAHDIS so much!
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:31 pm
Join Al Quaeda in their fight against low morals….ehh
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:50 pm
And if you mention that to a left-winger, they will tell you some horror story about the US or, if they are even less well informed, Israel.
So what’s the point?
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:57 pm
u know what SandMonkey…i went through ur profile and ur recent blogs by clicking on a link on another blogger page…
when i try to read between ur lines, i think that you too are going to an extreme in the way you think. just try not to fight the extremists’ ideologies in our region by another extremist pro-american mentality. coz both of them sucks….
you are clever enough to realise and understand what i mean.
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:39 pm
SM,
I think this is hardly a problem relating to the Jihadis alone. I believe this is a result of:
a. Lack of morals in general (a general human condition).
b. Extreme poverty.
You’re from Egypt, you should know that selling children is hardly a Jihadi practice! Of course I’m not defending Jihadis but perspective is everything.
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:58 pm
Anyone who thinks Al Qaeda is confining its attentions to christian children should think again. They don’t hesitate to murder Muslim children in Iraq; why should they hesitate to sell them in Pakistan?
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:06 pm
Al-Qaeda Leader Funds Activities By Kidnapping Christian Children For Slavery
… learning that it’s former chief, Gul Khan, is complicit in slavery to fund terrorist activity isn’t suprising. Of interest is just how many other ISI current and former members are involved in terrorism.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:08 pm
eee will then jump in and say. its a zionist plot really. those priests were really rhabbi’s coherecing good muslims to become slave trader .
its all a zionist plot from the beginning.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:40 pm
Thanks SITN, that’s exactly what I’ve been saying for months now.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:01 pm
Andrew Brehm you do have a point. You could show the left video of things like this (and worse) and they would close their eyes, don’t let facts get in the way of the ideology!
Jiahdis, once again it is shown that this is all about their power and not a thing else. Sick, very sick people.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:10 pm
Pro-American is an extremism?
What about being pro … I don’t know … Italian? Is that also an extremist ideology?
May 23rd, 2006 at 6:07 pm
just try not to fight the extremists’ ideologies in our region by another extremist pro-american mentality. coz both of them sucks….
What’s your suggestion, then? Sit on your ass while the world burns? Seriously, if there’s an “anti-extremism” movement in the middle east, can you direct me to it? I’ve been waiting (for years!) to see such a development. How did I miss it?
May 23rd, 2006 at 6:52 pm
Let me Start with Gadfly: its the mentality that is extremist not the fact that he is pro-american…its different to be pro-american, than to close your eyes and suddenly see all what the US promotes is heaven.
Craig, one day, the USA was really a symbol of freedom, it was the land of opportunities, a beautiful picture of democracy. I read the US institution and can’t but respect all what it was built on. Can you call me a pro-american?! My father finished his Masters degrees from CUNY, and so many doors opened to him afterwards, and despite all he couldnt say but ‘God bless america’.
However, I regret to inform you that your administration has ruined and damanged this beautiful picture for so many years to go. I don’t know where to start criticizing your administration and its foreign policies. I wouldn’t find the space to write them down. Do you listen to your president’s stupid statements? are you aware of the mess inside your administration?! do you sense the instability in the US decisions and foreign policies?!
I am Jordanian, and I am proud of my country…ain’t we pro-american?! didn’t we suffer from terrorism?! Do u know how much we are criticized by our neighbours for being your allies?! But we know when to say “The US has fucked up”….”the US are wrong”…”we don’t support the war on Iraq”…”we don’t agree with your stupid president’s comments”………..and Craig, you are always welcomed to come to Jordan, and i’ll personally make sure you have the time of your life and prepare you for a real cultural shock!! My country is a symbol of anti-extremism answering to your question.
I hope you are a good American Craig. in a Couple of years, Bush will be outta the white house…where would this leave the US?! How and when are you gonna get your soldiers back home?! and How easy do you think its gonna take you to build back your image infront of the whole world?!
Jordan will stay allies with the US. hopefully will have to deal with a better American President (like Clinton) rather than suffer the policies of another US Asshole for another 7 years.
Regards
May 23rd, 2006 at 7:06 pm
Good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Christians sell our white blond MUSLIM girls from Bosnia and Chechynya as SEX SLAVES, ALL OVER THE WORLD, ITS ABOUT TIME WE SELL SOME OF THEIR KIDS.
May 23rd, 2006 at 7:15 pm
Humm… Everything in economics follows the law of supply and demand. While what Al Qaeda did is despicable, it is horrifying to think that there are people who would actually pay for this…
May 23rd, 2006 at 7:56 pm
Blonde girls from bosnia? that´s got to be another bosnia than the one i know..anyway, this is fucking horrible
May 23rd, 2006 at 8:52 pm
SITN
Dude, no one is ever going to say that the U.S. makes all the right decisions. Qute the opposite. It’s a democracy and compromise in the government leads to fluctuation in foreign policy. Sandmonkey is fully aware of the multitude of American fuckups over the decades. I am too.
There’s also a lot of times we don’t fuck up. As in giving the world global positioning, enumerable medical advances, billions and billions of dollars in assistance, both cash and direct aid. I could go on and on, but it would just bore everybody.
We’re just people. We try to do the best we can, and sometimes we fail. Same as you and your country.
As far as Iraq goes. I wasn’t against offing Hussein. Afghanistan wasn’t a big enough object lesson. Another military needed to fall. It didn’t necessarily need to be Iraq, but it needed to be somebody. And when we suffer another major attack on innocent civilians, yet more militaries will fall under M1 tracks. Sorry, that’s just the way it is.
I wasn’t expecting this costly “nation building” in Iraq. I have my doubts that it will hold. But promises have been made and brave Iraqis are fighting and dying in hopes of building a stable representative government. At this point, we’re committed to at least giving them a fighting chance. *shrug*
I know, I know. We’re the “Great Satan” and all. We suck.
But you enjoy that internet and GPS.
No charge.
May 23rd, 2006 at 9:11 pm
Gadfly says:
“As far as Iraq goes. I wasn’t against offing Hussein. Afghanistan wasn’t a big enough object lesson. Another military needed to fall. It didn’t necessarily need to be Iraq, but it needed to be somebody. And when we suffer another major attack on innocent civilians, yet more militaries will fall under M1 tracks. Sorry, that’s just the way it is.”
Man, that’s just insane! Seriously, you sound just like a parody. “It didn’t necessarily need to be Iraq, but it needed to be somebody.”
Hopefully, I just misunderstood your irony, or something.
May 23rd, 2006 at 9:26 pm
فتوى العلامة الشيخ / صالح بن فوزان الفوزان حفظه الله
قال سيد قطب في تفسير قوله تعالى: ?وفي الرقاب? في “ظلال القرآن”:
(وذلك حين كان الرق نظاما عالمياً تجري المعاملة فيه على المثل في استرقاق الأسرى بين المسلمين وأعدائهم، ولم يكن للإسلام بد من المعاملة بالمثل، حتى يتعارف العالم على نظام آخر غير الاسترقاق). ( “الظلال” (3/1669)، وكرر ذلك في تفسير سورة البقرة (1/230)، وفي تفسير سورة المؤمنون (4/2455)، وفي تفسير سورة محمد (6/3285)).
قال سائل: فضيلة الشيخ، يرى بعض الكتاب العصريين أن هذا الدين قد أُجبر على قبول نظام الرق الجاهلي في بادئ الأمر.
قال فضيلة الشيخ صالح: أعوذ بالله.
أكمل السائل سؤاله بقوله: بيد أنه جاء ] بتخفيفه ] عن طريق فتح أبواب الكفارات وغيرها من الإعتاق الواجب في الموالى بالتدريج حتى ينتهي، وبالتالي يكون مقصود الشارع هو إزالة هذا النظام بالتدريج. فما توجيهكم ؟
قال الشيخ صالح الفوزان: (هذا كلام باطل - والعياذ بالله - رغم أنه يردده كثير من الكتاب والمفكرين ولا نقول العلماء، بل نقول المفكرين كما يسمونهم.
ومع الأسف يقولون عنهم الدعاة أيضاً، وهو موجود في تفسير سيد قطب في “ظلال القرآن”، يقول هذا القول: إن الإسلام لا يقر الرق، وإنما أبقاه خوفاً من صولة الناس واستنكار الناس لأنهم ألفوا الرق، فهو أبقاه من باب المجاملة يعني كأن الله يجامل الناس، وأشار إلى رفعه بالتدريج حتى ينتهي. هذا كلام باطل وإلحاد - والعياذ بالله - هذا إلحاد واتهام للإسلام.
ولولا العذر بالجهل،] لأن ] هؤلاء نعذرهم بالجهل لا نقول إنهم كفارٌ ؛ لأنهم جهال أو مقلدون نقلوا هذا القول من غير تفكير فنعذرهم بالجهل، وإلا الكلام هذا خطير لو قاله إنسان متعمد ارتد عن دين الإسلام، ولكن نقول هؤلاء جهال لأنهم مجرد أدباء أو كتاب ما تعلموا، ووجدوا هذه المقالة ففرحوا بها يردون بها على الكفار بزعمهم.
لأن الكفار يقولون: إن الإسلام يُمَلِّكَ الناس، وأنه يسترق الناس، وأنه وأنه، فأرادوا أن يردوا عليهم بالجهل، والجاهل إذا رد على العدو ] فإنه ] يزيد العدو شراً، ويزيد العدو تمسكا بباطله. الرد يكون بالعلم ما يكون بالعاطفة، أو يكون بالجهل، ] بل ] يكون الـرد بالعلم والبرهان، وإلا فالواجب أن الإنسان يسكت ولا يتكلم في أمور خطيرة وهو لا يعرفها.
فهذا الكلام باطل ومن قاله متعمدا فإنه يكفر، أما من قاله جاهلاً أو مقلداً فهذا يعذر بالجهل، والجهل آفةٌ قاتلة - والعياذ بالله - فالإسلام أقر الرق والرق قديم قبل الإسلام موجود في الديانات السماوية ] ومستمر ] ما وجد الجهاد في سبيل الله، فإن الرق يكون موجوداً لأنه تابع للجهاد في سبيل الله - عز وجل - وذلك حكم الله - جل وعلا – ما فيه محاباة لأحد ولا فيه مجاملة لأحد، والإسلام ليس عاجزاً أن يصرح ويقول: هذا باطل؛ كما قال في عبادة الأصنام وكما قال في الربا وكما قال في الزنا وكما قال في جرائم الجاهلية، الإسلام شجاع ما يتوقف ويجامل الناس ؛ ] بل ] يصرح ] برد ] الباطل، ] و ] يبطل الباطل. هذا حكم الله - سبحانه وتعالى - فلو كان الرق باطلاً ما جامل الناس فيه ؛ بل قال هذا باطل، ولا يجوز فالرق حكم شرعي باق ما بقي الجهاد في سبيل الله شاؤا أم أبوا.
نعم، ] وسبب الرق هو الكفر بالله فهو عقوبة لمن أصر على الكفر واستكبر عن عبادة الله عز وجل ولا يرتفع إلا بالعتق.
قال العلماء في تعريف الرق: (هو عجز حكمي يقوم بالإنسان سببه الكفر)، وليس سببه كما يقولون استرقاق الكفار لأسرى المسلمين فهو في مقابلة ذلك، راجع كتب الفرائض في باب موانع الإرث. وسمى الله الرق ملك اليمين، وأباح التسري به، وقد تسرى النبي r مما يدل على أنه حق ] ). (من شريط بتاريخ الثلاثاء 4/8/1416 ثم صححه الشيخ).
Would you please translate the main point of this conversation Sand monkey. this is the official opinion of the religious establishment in Saudi Arabia. So it is not only the jihadis but all the wahabis and the salafists.
May 23rd, 2006 at 9:38 pm
No, I think you understand quite well. When we are viciously attacked on our own soil, we will go Old Skool crazy for several years.
So when it happens again — brace yourself and get your fucking head down. The tanks are going to roll.
I’m not saying it’s “right”
I’m just saying it’s reality.
PS: Anyone who defends the Saddam regime is an interminable fool and not worthy of breath.
May 23rd, 2006 at 10:19 pm
Regarding this, I must post a link to a discussion on onearabworld.blog.com:
http://onearabworld.blog.com/752754/#cmts
The discussion is regarding morality and Islam, basically. Has some interesting points which are very relevant to this case.
Peace out,
The Raccoon
May 23rd, 2006 at 10:32 pm
Wow. A Jordanian lecturing Americans on freedom. When was your king elected? What about that Jordanian Bill of Rights? And that free press in Jordan. Can’t see much to be proud about over there. Maybe if you move to Iraq you can actualy vote one day ;p
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:02 pm
Children are the same everywhere, simply children - it is sick that people would treat children this way, but then again, we live in one sick world.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:08 pm
ANGRYLIBYAN”AMERICAN’ - stick your head back in the oven and turn over; I don’t think you’re baked completely through.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:54 pm
> And people wonder why I HATE JIAHDIS so much!
Because you’re a ridiculous poser?
May 24th, 2006 at 12:43 am
There was another story on this. I remember that Khan was quoted in this other story as saying if the children died he could sell them for organs or some crazy shit like that. I’ll try and locate the story. Fucking sick.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:49 am
Here it is:
Within a week, Amir had purchased three of the boys for $5,000 and paid a $2,500 deposit for the remaining 17. Amir was given two months to raise $28,500 to complete the purchase. Khan, he said, told him it would not be a problem if the deadline was missed – he could make more money by selling them for their organs.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50305
May 24th, 2006 at 12:56 am
IMHO any country that is so totally anti-woman is gonna eventually develope some serious issues with homosexuality.
In pakistani there are absolutely no woman in the streets, they are virtually not allowed outside at all; the cities like lahore are teeming with greasy men in beds or young freshed faced boys. Thus the explosion in the homosexual sex trade with young boys. It s disgusting. But a symptom of a world without the female form. The exact same paraellel can be made with anceit athens, and the seedy world of the greeks, were woman were completely subordinated as to almost not exist.
If You dont live in the natural way, with equal representation of both sexes, homosexuality gows far beyond its normal range.
In others words, homosexuality is rife in these backward islamic countries and this article proves it.
May 24th, 2006 at 1:13 am
Reading this article was one of those rare occasions when I wished there was god. Or at least hell.
May 24th, 2006 at 2:04 am
Oh, people …. this well and truly sucks. Children …… damn,man.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:19 am
Craig,
While you are at it can you please tell me who exactly is setting the world on fire as you say “Sit on your ass while the world burns? “.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:29 am
“So when it happens again — brace yourself and get your fucking head down. The tanks are going to roll.
I’m not saying it’s “right”
I’m just saying it’s reality.”
Give us a record Mr. Gadfly of Iraqi’s attacking our soil? and while you are at it do your math and tell us how many innocent Iraqi’s died by our tanks. What a war monger statement . Yes buddy we are the stupid Americans that goes for war and kill 100’s of thousands because there were no WMD and no attacks from the Iraqi’s unless it happened in your dreams only.
What a sad reality that exhaust our resources and youth to die for a BIG FAT LIE. Americans like you will cost the country money, lives and black mark in history.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:30 am
Tommy,
Give us the latest news on the children of Palestine under the Israeli seige dying of hunger. Or should I say punished and starved to death for their democratic elections.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:59 am
Twosret,
Give us the latest news on what the Hamastinians are doing to demonstrate they want peace.
May 24th, 2006 at 5:18 am
“As far as Iraq goes. I wasn’t against offing Hussein. Afghanistan wasn’t a big enough object lesson. Another military needed to fall. It didn’t necessarily need to be Iraq, but it needed to be somebody. And when we suffer another major attack on innocent civilians, yet more militaries will fall under M1 tracks. Sorry, that’s just the way it is.”
I always thought that was the real rationale behind the Iraq War. It certainly wasn’t WMD’s or oil or AlQaeda or democracy in the ME. How can democracy be the goal when the US is still friends with the House of Saud & with Mubarak & now with Gaddafi? Besides if you’re going to try to implant democracy in the ME Iraq is like the worst place ever to start.
No what you say makes sense. The 9/11 hijackers were Saudis but it’s not like the average American can tell the difference between a Saudi & an Iraqi. Realpolitic made it impossible to hit Saudi so Iraq had to work. It was a ‘big enough’ target & the US already had one war against it.
And yeah I can see it happening again & again quite easily. Iran next. Then maybe Syria. And then who knows? Maybe finally Saudi?
The funny thing is in a way that’s what the Jihadis want too. They envision Iraq being to the Americans what Afghanistan was to the Soviets. The more infidel-occupied, Muslim failed states they can use to rally & train their followers, the better for them. After all the Jihadis are no nationalists. They don’t care about nations or people.
May 24th, 2006 at 6:04 am
beautifulatrocities Says:
May 23rd, 2006 at 10:32 pm
Wow. A Jordanian lecturing Americans on freedom. When was your king elected? What about that Jordanian Bill of Rights? And that free press in Jordan. Can’t see much to be proud about over there. Maybe if you move to Iraq you can actualy vote one day ;p
lolss “beatiful what?” ur nickname is making it difficult for me to answer ur limited intellegence…
Do you read before posting a comment….my post had nothing to do with freedom dude hehe it had to do with extremism and bad decisions!!! and ironically, u were blind enough to read my sentences praising the US democracy…
However, your post triggered another interesting issue…can you people be anymore ignorant than you already are?
when i lecture a US citizen, i would have read ur constitution and your history, and have had the chance to be exposed to your biased Media…..!!!! Do you have the chance to do that??!! do you read the Jordanian or Arab news papers??!!! do you listen to other sources of media biased in another direction?!! ever visited Jordan to criticize its freedom of speech?!! can you be anymore ignorant?!!
Freedom and democracy my freind have roots. they grow as the nation grows, and as its people mature. it has cost the US a very expensive price to reach this point (a bloodshed?). Only in 1950 the US omit the racists law between white and black people!!!
In Jordan, we are still young my freind. I have a loyal and devoted king, who is dedicated to offer us jordanians security and degnity while sitting in the middle of a volcano!! We have a parlement that is elected by the people (any law has to pass through this parlement before being approved…and if its not efficient, its still the choice of the people), and we have opposition that fights the goverment’s policies on daily bases and with all ways that may occur to your mind!!! and One day hopefully soon, we will be a democratic country.
We are on the right track, which brings me to ask you, is the US on the right track?!! it was democracy, but now, your so called democracy is taking you down. Maybe u should pray to go urself to Iraq and experience the democracy you have exported to that poor people!!!
May 24th, 2006 at 6:06 am
You hate Jihadi so much? Why?
This is not only a Jihadi practice.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/768290/posts
May 24th, 2006 at 6:46 am
Hi SITN,
I hope you are a good American Craig.
I suspect I wouldn’t be a “good american” in your eyes. I was a Marine during the Reagan administration, and therefore a tool for the implemntation of some Cold War policies that I expect you’d find quite objectionable. You seem like a nice person, and I’m sorry that we can’t be what you want us to be.
in a Couple of years, Bush will be outta the white house…where would this leave the US?!
Same place it’s always been, hopefully!
How and when are you gonna get your soldiers back home?!
It doesn’t matter. They won’t be home for long anyway. Even if the US isn’t at war, they’ll be someplace far from home. That’s the nature of the US military.
and How easy do you think its gonna take you to build back your image infront of the whole world?!
Rebuild our image? Hmmm…. rebuild the image you had of us, you mean? I really don’t know… maybe you need to change your perceptions.
I figure I traveled to about 30 countries when I was in the Marines - not really sure, because some places like Guam and Tinian aren’t really countries, are they? - and of all those, only 1 place were Americans well liked. That was the Phillipines. Some of the other places, like Thailand and South Korea, I’d have described as “neutral” towards the US. In Hong Kong, the Chinese were very friendly, but the British were jerks (it was a British colony then) and most of the other countries, there was a lot of hostilty towards the US.
That was during the 80s.
Jordan will stay allies with the US. hopefully will have to deal with a better American President (like Clinton)
Clinton was weak. In more ways than one. He was awfully good at making speeches, though, wasn’t he? I have no idea who the next President will be, so I won’t speculate. There don’t seem to be a lot of good candidates, but maybe some great leader will show up in the next two years.
That was a really good comment, even though I don’t agree with you. I can’t find much to argue with you about either
May 24th, 2006 at 7:09 am
Well Craig, being a US marine or a soldier in any country must make that person proud and honored. If the soldier, is on duty and is serving a good cause, he would know that he is a good citizen. So its for you to decide not us: where you were a marine, did you feel your serving a good cause?! do you think you were out there risking your life and being apart from ur family for a good reason?! if yes, then you are a good citizen regardless of what i think.
I am not really sure if the US will stay were it has always been. Because its trends have changed, and in my opinion, it will change its position sometime soon.
About British people, your strongest allies?!! try to see how they handle news regarding the US on the BBC. I myself am somtimes amazed by how the seem to put your mistakes under the magnifier!!
Finally, i don’t want you to be who we want you to be. I would like to think that the US people doesn’t see its “CURRENT” administration image the way they want it to be.
we don’t need to argue about things, but it is always important to learn what the other side is trying to tell u, and how the other side thinks.
Kind Regards
May 24th, 2006 at 7:15 am
try to see how they handle news regarding the US on the BBC. I myself am somtimes amazed by how the seem to put your mistakes under the magnifier!!
That is what we call in western societies, the Liberal Media. The BBC is extraordinarily biased and, for that matter, much more left-wing than British society is, as a whole.
May 24th, 2006 at 7:47 am
Hi Twosret,
While you are at it can you please tell me who exactly is setting the world on fire as you say “Sit on your ass while the world burns? “.
I think we’ve had this out before, but I’ll give it a shot again.
Who is responsible for most of the “100s of thousands” (!?) of deaths in Iraq? Coalition forces? Do you really believe that? Not even the most rabid of anti-American Iraqi bloggers says any such thing. Iraq is being torn apart by the same things that tore Lebanon apart for 20+ years. Sure, you can probably find some way to blame that on the Isrealis and the Americans too, but is that going to help anybody!? And if (God forbid) it happnes in Egypt? Whose fault would that be? You talk as if there were no problems in the ME before the US started creating them.
Hmmm… I was going to try and really get into this, but I changed my mind. There’s nothing I can say that will change your opinions about some of these issues, so what’s the point in arguing?
BTW, Twosret,
Or should I say punished and starved to death for their democratic elections.
When Palestinians elected Hamas to represent them, they became a state sponsor of terrorism. We’re at war with state sponsors of terrorism. Seriously. Put that together with the fact that it was Palestinians who were dancing in the streets on September 11th, and you’ll have a pretty good idea what the status of Palestinians is in US public opinion right now. And for the forseeable future. They want us dead. They told us so on September 11th, and they told us so again when they elected a terrorist government. We aren’t supporting terrorists these days, we’re killing them. Nobody forced Palestinians to elect HAMAS, and Palestinians knew damn good and well what they were voting for, when they voted for HAMAS. They were voting for hate and death.
May 24th, 2006 at 8:11 am
SITN,
where you were a marine, did you feel your serving a good cause?! do you think you were out there risking your life and being apart from ur family for a good reason?! if yes, then you are a good citizen regardless of what i think.
I was serving a good cause, generally. Opposing the USSR was a good cause. Even when we were supporting right wing dictators against communist insurgents, or right wing insurgents against communist dictators, that was a good cause, because it was fighting the USSR, and right wing dictators are no worse than communist dictators anyway.
I think the intervention in Lebanon was a BAD cause though. There were no communists in Lebanon. They sent us there to evacuate that bastard Yasser Arafat? Sorry, Twosret. But Arafat was a murdering son of a bitch, and US troops should not have been involved in some “peace plan” to save his sorry ass.
Hmmm… well, anyway… as you can see, I don’t always agree with US policy either.
I am not really sure if the US will stay were it has always been. Because its trends have changed, and in my opinion, it will change its position sometime soon.
It always changes. It’s like a 10 year pendulum, back and forth. I’ve been watching for about 3 cycles
We are about due for the penulum to swing to the left, since it started swinging to the right during Clinton’s second term. But this is just guesswork on my part.
About British people, your strongest allies?!!
The way people behave doesn’t always match the way their governments do.
try to see how they handle news regarding the US on the BBC. I myself am somtimes amazed by how the seem to put your mistakes under the magnifier!!
That’s what I keep telling my Al Jazeera fan friend… Al Jazeera is bad, but the BBC is worse.
Finally, i don’t want you to be who we want you to be. I would like to think that the US people doesn’t see its “CURRENT” administration image the way they want it to be.
We just had an election a year ago. And Bush won. I think people have lost faith in Bush’s leadership, but if you’re waiting for the US to change “direction” - I don’t think that’s going to happen. We really do intend to win the war on terror.
we don’t need to argue about things, but it is always important to learn what the other side is trying to tell u, and how the other side thinks.
Well, I agree with you on this at least. Even when it’s something you don’t like to hear.
May 24th, 2006 at 8:35 am
Craig
you really intend to win the war on terror?! What is the war on terror?! how do you define terror?! what is the nature of this war?!
The US after 9/11 had to fight back…unlike aphganistan, the main reasons of the war on Iraq remains questioned, and the US started this war under vague circumstances. The US started a war against a ‘Ghost’ called terrorism without bringing together a clear definition of what this word means!! actually Bush did give us a definition: who’s not with us, is against us!!! so terrorism is not what it really means, terrorism is whatever opposes the US and its policies all over the world. and talking about US terrorism is beyong the scope of this discussion hehe.
Do you fight terrorism with terrorism?! do you spread democracy using bullits and guns?! Do two ‘wrongs’ make one ‘right’?!
The war on terrorism and the US classification of groups, parties, and countries under the list of terrorists has united millions of people, not approving terrorism, but against the US policies and people!! The US double standards in dealing with global problems have made it lose credibility. Beleive me, the world don’t see things the way u do.
How and when can u announce ur victory on terrorism?!!!!! War on terrorism will only be the tool for the US to meet its goals and policies in the world, which the US people would have no problem in that.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:34 am
tommy Says:
May 24th, 2006 at 7:15 am
“That is what we call in western societies, the Liberal Media. The BBC is extraordinarily biased and, for that matter, much more left-wing than British society is, as a whole.”
I’m afraid that’s romantic fiction on your part Tommy. Your anti-Eu sentiments are well known. I think “extraordinary bias” is your own speciality.
Fortunately for the US, we in the UK do not believe that your facism is typical of most Americans.
May 24th, 2006 at 1:22 pm
The Brits and the poor old BBC are clearly not popular here.
Maybe I should just point out that the whole Iraq business (in the UK) was supported by the left (Labour) but there were many in the ruling Labour party who were opposed, especially when the WMD fiasco was finally revealed as a fraud. There was never majority support and the Blair government conducted a considerable witchunt to try to silence the BBC at that time.
A large majority of UK citizens now see the Iraq business as a great wrong, and it would be unreasonable to expect them not to say so, through their own media. I think it is a majority view that the UK was dragged into a conflict which it did not approve of, by a very misguided American president, and a sycophantic PM. Sadly, many Americans seem to believe that their own miltary supremacy is a virtuous end in itself and that it is inconceivable that they could have been wrong. What happened to American principles of freedom and democracy - how did they get replaced by this tyrannical military machine where all cry for blood and dissent is treated as treachery ?
May 24th, 2006 at 2:37 pm
“But Arafat was a murdering son of a bitch, and US troops should not have been involved in some “peace plan” to save his sorry ass.”
Craig,
You have crossed a red line and I would rather not reply to this kind of posts.
May 24th, 2006 at 3:27 pm
Craig and Tommy -
All your responses make COMPLETE sense to me. God bless you all.
And Craig, as an American, you have my deep gratitude for serving our country…thanks!!!!
May 24th, 2006 at 3:46 pm
Give us a record Mr. Gadfly of Iraqi’s attacking our soil? and while you are at it do your math and tell us how many innocent Iraqi’s died by our tanks. What a war monger statement . Yes buddy we are the stupid Americans that goes for war and kill 100’s of thousands because there were no WMD and no attacks from the Iraqi’s unless it happened in your dreams only.
I never said they did. Apart from Abu Nidal and the other terrorists that were rounded up in Iraq. I just said it was an object lesson.
I, personally, would have chosen Saudi Arabia or Iran. But Shrub wanted to finish his father’s war. *shrug*
May 24th, 2006 at 5:21 pm
SITN…
First I am not an American, I am a Canadian.. I say this so that you are not confused by any bias that you may percieve that I have..
U don’t get it, and u never will.. the middle east, the arab world, and the islamic world have been a hotbed of terrorism for years. Iraq as an example has a long record of supporting terrorism. As for WMD’s Saddam said he had them and some of the world believed him, me included..
As for Hamas losing it’s funding from the west, and those that argue that it’s somehow wrong because Hamas was democratically elected I say we in the west also have the democratic right to descide who we give aid to.. we’ve descided NOT to give aid to Hamas thugs and terrorists.
Now as to Jordan, I have always looked at Jordan as one of the most progressive arab countries, and hope that it can continue on the road to becoming a true democracy. Juat look at the life Palestinians enjoy in Jordan as opposed to the “refuge” camps. Just think of how their lives would improve if other Arab nations took them in as CITIZENS.
But I have a question for you.. How much of your GDP is provided by American aid?? What would happen to your economy if ALL American aid was stopped??
Another question.. I believe you spent time in the USA , how did that enrich your life??
May 24th, 2006 at 5:26 pm
SITN,
The war on terrorism and the US classification of groups, parties, and countries under the list of terrorists has united millions of people, not approving terrorism, but against the US policies and people!!
“Not approving of terrorism” isn’t enough. Actiuon must be taken. If you won’t take it, we will. If you don’t like what we’re doing, then I suggest you solve the problem yourselves.
Twosret,
You have crossed a red line and I would rather not reply to this kind of posts.
Well… OK… but I recall you saying worse things about Sharon, while he was on his deathbed. Arafat made Sharon look like a boyscout. Not really a matter of “opinion” but I’ll call it personal opinion if it makes you feel better. Anyway, I guess I’d rather not discuss it either. Not sure why I brought it up (I usually try to avoid issues that I can’t be objective about) except I lost my tempre while I was commenting about Lebanon. Sorry if I offended you.
May 24th, 2006 at 5:33 pm
By the way, SITN, you see what I mean about the Brits? These are our “biggest allies”
Brit,
I think it is a majority view that the UK was dragged into a conflict which it did not approve of, by a very misguided American president, and a sycophantic
What does any of that have to do with the BBC publishing headline news articles that falsely accused the US of war crimes and crimes against humanity?
You think you have a “right” to be lied to by your media? If your government is telling you lies (as you say) and your media is telling you lies (as they ARE) then who do you get the truth from?
May 24th, 2006 at 5:40 pm
Incase no one has paid attention to the newly translated documents or the Iraqi general who is making the rounds with his book….according to both source the WMD weren’t a fraud. They were flown to Syria during the 6 month lead up to the war. You know that time that we wasted at the UN. Guess whrerew the tanks are going to roll next?
Arrogant, ouch that hurts *NOT*. The world has hated the USA for as long as I’ve been here and that has been many decades. We learn at a young age “sticks and stones may break my bone, but words can never hurt me”. You might keep that in mind literally *guess who has the biggest stick*. Contrary to what our biased media tells you, most middle Americans are as mad as they were on Sept 12th and it isn’t going away any time soon.
May 24th, 2006 at 5:45 pm
Craig,
How insensitive of you to make fun of Arafish!
Here was a great fish, as evidenced by these words of wisdom:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/lgf-photoshop-slideshow.php?imgIndex=12&autoShow=8
May 24th, 2006 at 6:04 pm
noone: Yeah. There’s that too.
I read a book penned in the 1930s where a sailor points out that Europeans hate Americans with a passion. So, it’s been that way far longer than I’ve been alive.
And just think about it. In the 1930s, the only “evil” thing that we had done that affected the rest of the world was splitting Panama off from Columbia and finishing the canal.
They seem to get their rocks off hating us. Nothing for it. *shrug*
May 24th, 2006 at 6:09 pm
I think America should withdraw all their external support of anything and anyone and put their money into building a strong, moral society where every American citizen can live without fear and with the necessities of life - everyone else in the world can go to hell. How’s that? Then the world can really have something to bitch about - and I’m not even an American; I am just so sick of people biting the hand that feeds them.
May 24th, 2006 at 7:46 pm
Twosret,
Wish to offer any kind of support to your argument, but I gave up a long time ago, but as always I offer you my complete agreement and moral support.
P.S: Please do me one last favor and respond to the genetic mutation called Dug with a classic Twosret response.
May 24th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
> Juat look at the life Palestinians enjoy in Jordan as opposed to the “
> refuge” camps. Just think of how their lives would improve if
> other Arab nations took them in as CITIZENS.
I really would prefer to see the master race and their supporters
rotting in these refugee camps.
May 24th, 2006 at 8:59 pm
hey man im with u in hating those jihadists and all the rest of those extreme islamic ideoligists but do we believe anything that is said!!
anyhow keep up the good work in your blogs they are great!!!!
May 24th, 2006 at 9:11 pm
I think it is a majority view that the UK was dragged into a conflict which it did not approve of, by a very misguided American president, and a sycophantic PM.
Brit: I thought the UK’s committing forces in Iraq, given the objection of half of its citizens and politically breaking away from the rest of Europe to do so — showed amazing moral courage. To stand with a friend even when you think that friend is acting improperly goes beyond ordinary friendship. That speaks more to brotherhood than friendship. I know most Brits were unhappy about it, but I was deeply touched by your country’s sacrifice.
I doubt that means anything to you, but I wanted to say it.
May 24th, 2006 at 9:20 pm
Gadfly,
Do you realize how idiotic and childish your last statement was? So by the same token, you’d have “amazing moral courage” if your best friend called you and said that he has just killed his wife and that he needs your help to get rid of the body, so you being the great friend/tool you are would happily assist, right?
Jeez, really jeez, what a dumbass.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:04 pm
Mohamed,
The only dumbass is you with your ridiculous and trite comparison of the effort to overthrow Saddam Hussein to complicity in murder.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:31 pm
Tommy,
So killing at least a 100000 people isn’t considered murder in your book you genocidal nazi, or maybe i forgot they’re Iraqis making them subhumans so their lives doesn’t count I guess.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:33 pm
Look - you citizen of Amnesia - how many corpses of Iraqis were found
dead alone in Baghdad, last month?
Compared to the crap created by your retarded rulers Saddams rule
starts to look like a kindergarden.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:36 pm
Want to see Saddams accomplices?
Here you see the scum of Amnesia meeting the scum of Baghdad:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/handshake300.jpg
May 24th, 2006 at 10:38 pm
Mohamed:
If you’ll quit thinking in childish dogmatic terms, then you can understand and communicate better. In your little mind, you have everything identified as “American” automatically funneled into the category “Evil Pig-Eater, Zionist Puppet, Satan, Evil Evil Evil Evil Evil.” Reality is not that simplistic.
Taking out Saddam Hussein was not 100% good or 100% evil. Reality is more complex than that. War is never a good thing, but ending the rule of a psychotic dictator who systematically tortured and killed his subjects is not a bad thing. I have misgivings about it myself, but I’m not stupid enough to wish Saddam was back in power.
And I was just pointing out that we, as a nation, have a stalwart friend in Britain, even when we are not in perfect agreement.
Seriously, concrete thought patterns are for 8-year-old children. If you’ll try deductive reasoning, you’ll have a far better grasp of the world.
PS: Thanks Tommy
May 24th, 2006 at 10:47 pm
Even in your inflated number were true, Saddam’s regime killed at least that many in the past decade. And now a larger number of oppressors and killers are the “victims” and less often killed are the innocent citizens.
And you don’t get to count Sunnis and Shiites killing each other. The whole purpose for remaining there and risking our soldiers lives is to try and stop that civil war from happening. We might not succeed, but at least we are trying.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:02 pm
Gfly practice what you preach first, haven’t you noticed how “concrete” your “thought pattern” was when you described “my little mind” and instantly jumped to the conclusion ( because of my name i persume) of my categorization of the us (check what you wrote regarding the “pig-eater”), which tells more about you than it tells about me, and thanks for the advice, but hell’d have to freeze before I start taking advice from a neo con piece of crap like you.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:16 pm
If you think I’m a neo-conservative, you’re an idiot, but then again, that’s already been established.
The name you’ve chosen does have certain obvious connotations, retard.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:35 pm
Gfly, trying to follow your advice and cure myself of my “dogmatic” tendencies and “concrete patterns of thought” I decided to check out your blog, apart from it’s obvious gayness, clearly you don’t know what’s the definition of a neo-con, because sorry to tell you, judging by your blog, if you’re not a neo con, then Wolfowitz and Perle themselves are hard core lefties.
May 25th, 2006 at 12:14 am
Americans did not kill 100,000 Iraqis; the only reason people stick with this number, which has no factual basis is because it fits with their wakcy mindset. Getting rid of Saddam was definitely a good thing and for those who think any differently, get a brain and do some research.
There are a lot of evil forces in Iraq preventing Iraq from becoming and being a peaceful country, and Britain and American sure the hell aren’t one of those.
May 25th, 2006 at 1:07 am
Cool. Now I’m in the “genocidal Nazi” club with Hitler, Milosevic, Sharon and Co. Thanks, Mohamed. LMAO.
100,000 Iraqis? Nah…I’ve killed about 6.2 million subhuman Iraqi cockroaches, I’m just really good at concealing that fact. MWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
May 25th, 2006 at 3:02 am
Ahhhh, welcome to the club, Tommy! Stop by your local Synagogue to get officially recognized by the Elders. You’ll also receive a free Illuminati baseball cap, the ownership of a bank of your choice and a share in all the media outlets in the world. Fried Palestinian children are served at 8pm sharp - don’t be late!
BTW, I am not clarified to know about the exact function of the Freemasons, Lion Club et al - my grandgrandgrandfather was not a Jew, and thus I am racially impure. They won’t give me the clearence… Sorry. If you find out about these guys, pray do tell (I always wondered about the Order of Oddfellows).
May 25th, 2006 at 3:41 am
Well, I’m actually mostly ethnically German myself, Raccoon.
However, I do have some qualifications that, I think, should entitle me to at least a bit part in the Vast Zionist Conspiracy™.
(1) I am circumcized.
(2) I have some Jewish in-laws, including the ever-important Jewish uncle.
(3) I have both paternal and maternal relatives who are Freemasons
(4) I have a maternal relative who has worked as a Secret Service agent and, more recently, in the FBI.
(5) I’m good at keeping secrets.
References Available Upon Request.
May 25th, 2006 at 4:02 am
Mohamed,
Sorry for late reply but I was busy with Raccoon and Tommy my fav. boys on the blog
I promise to read Dug.
Craig,
I’m giving you the same reply you gave me when I made my comment on Sharon. Women never forget gotta ya! you see what goes around comes around
Tommy,
Can I post your C.V. on e-bay? you will have better luck there.
Joanne,
Can you give us your count if you don’t like 100’s thousands. If people can change history and facts they can change numbers can’t they? ok let us count the American soldiers and try to figure out WHY THE HELL EXACTLY THEY DIED?
May 25th, 2006 at 4:04 am
“Fried Palestinian children are served at 8pm sharp - don’t be late!”
I guess that is the kind of humor a zionist like you can use.
May 25th, 2006 at 4:14 am
Dug,
Oh Canada where do we start:-
“Juat look at the life Palestinians enjoy in Jordan as opposed to the “refuge” camps. Just think of how their lives would improve if other Arab nations took them in as CITIZENS.”
Ok I follow your logic very well, Israel invade Palestine, steal the land, get all the support from America from day one and instead of giving SOME of the land back we need to punish the ARAB nations for not taking Palestinians as natives. Oh La La life is good in Canada isn’t it !!!!!
Here is a better scenario why don’t the Jews apply for a German citizenship and Germany accept them and leave the land for the Palestinians?!
Mohamed don’t send people like this my way Rabana Yesam7ak ya Sheikh
May 25th, 2006 at 4:31 am
Mohamed,
“Tommy,
So killing at least a 100000 people isn’t considered murder in your book you genocidal nazi, or maybe i forgot they’re Iraqis making them subhumans so their lives doesn’t count I guess.”
You did guess right no one should mourn the death of an arab, muslim, only Jews who died in Germany we should mourn and live with the guilt forever.
I would like to count how many Palestinians died and in Jail till now compared to the Israelis. Can you please help me count?
May 25th, 2006 at 5:05 am
Twosret Says:
May 25th, 2006 at 4:04 am
“Fried Palestinian children are served at 8pm sharp - don’t be late!”
I guess that is the kind of humor a zionist like you can use.
It wasn’t humour. I was dead serious. You ever been to a Synagogue at 8pm?
Now. About this nonsense of Israel invadind Palestine… I don’t even know where to begin. The dissolution of Palestina (British Mandate) resulted in Israel - so Israel couln’t attack THAT by definition. The area currently referred to as Palestine was part of Trans-Jordan until the ‘67 war, in which Israel was attacked, has won, and decided to establish a buffer between itself and its enemies, as well as making its borders more defensible. Yes, the turf was conquered from Trans-Jordan - but if you attack Israel, don’t expect to get out of it with a slap on the wrist. Moreover, there was no Palestine then, so it couldn’t be invaded.
Regarding dead/incarcerated Palestinians vs Israelis… what’s that got to do with anything? If you’re alone on a hilltop and have got a machinegun while there’s a barbarian horde charging towards you with swords from all directions - would you shoot or die? And could you then bring the bodycount of the barbarians as proof of your evilness? As I said, people who attack Israel are not let off with a slap on the wrist. And collateral damage - it’s unfortunate, but each case was judged to be the least wrong from a number of wrong choices.
But… how many Palestinians do you know? How many Israelis? Ever been to PA? Ever been to Palestine? Ever actually researched the issue, which is said to be one of the most complex political situations on Earth? And why the hell Palestinians always pop up like a bad penny whenever there’s a discussion you or eee get involved in? I mean, cm’on - you guys are obsessed. Go pester the Miao and the Dzhong in Vietnam and China, they’re in much worse shape than our dear friends from PA. Or the Aboriginals down under or someone.
Tommy:
Well, you’re connected with the Freemasons, circumcized AND have both relative in the FBI and a Jewish uncle. I am sure we can work something out - make you a honorary Evil Jew ™ , and then you can freely lie to the Elders about not being an ethnic Jew since Evil Jews ™ are liars by nature
When you apply, just tell them you want to work in the “Secret Societies and Silly Organizations” department, please - I am dying to know what some them are for (The Order of Oddfellows! I mean, honestly…
)
May 25th, 2006 at 5:41 am
Raccoon,
Yeah, your idea about lying to gain entry might work well. I’m 3/4 German but my mother’s father was a Cherokee from Oklahoma. As a result of the infusion of (impure non-Aryan) Indian blood, I have the classical hooking “aquiline” nose and a vaguely “Semitic” appearance. I don’t look even vaguely Nordic. I’m a helluva more Jewish looking than Sarah Michelle Gellar or that Natalie Portman chick, that’s for sure. I probably could pass for the stereotypical Jew you see on a Nazi propaganda poster without any problem.
As for the Oddfellows, here is the Wikipedia article on the Oddfellows:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oddfellows
Note that they are defined as a “friendly society,” as opposed to an “incredibly devious and diabolical, nefariously conspiratorial, vile and sinister do-badder society” like the Freemasons or Skull & Bones. They cannot rank too highly in the Vast Zionist Conspiracy™ if that is the case.
May 25th, 2006 at 5:49 am
Raccoon,
Oh, and from what I understand, we also have a branch of Fez-wearing co-conspirators who have managed to burrow themselves deeply within the Arabo-Islamic world from Morocco to Iran. These skilled operatives have managed to seize the reigns of power without attracting undue attention to themselves. (Good job team.)
May 25th, 2006 at 6:00 am
Tommy - the funny thing is that I look like a typical Nord (tall, blond, blue eyes, fair skin - the whole bundle). And my nose has been repeatedly broken, so you can’t tell the original shape (thank you, dear anti-Semites!).
Hey, Buffy is Jewish? Cool, I didn’t know that
And there is something… odd about the Oddfellows, don’t you think? The fact that they are described as friendly on Wikipedia only proves the iron grip of the VZC ™. And they sure are secretive…
Oh well. Good luck with the Elders!
May 25th, 2006 at 7:12 am
He who is not with us is against us
A free and open society values diverse opinions.
Fear of disagreement is the hallmark of tyranny.
May 25th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
Mohamed: Oh yeah. I’m a gay neocon.
Fucking imbicile
And as this has degenerated into rote name calling, this is the last of it for me. Please die of spinal cancer, screaming in agony and cursing God.
May 25th, 2006 at 4:58 pm
Twosret,
Sorry for sending them your way :), but you know I gave up reasoning with them a long time ago, and you’ve been away for so long, so I thought you might have some energy before getting completely frustrated with how gullible and naive or viscious and evil those people are again.
Gfly, don’t be a drama queen now, in fact I bet you most neocons are closeted gays (in a Roy Cohn way, if you know anything about history), did you notice Twosret his spinal cancer wish for me, it’s almost as if he’s byed3y 3aleya in his own special way :), must have some egyptian blood in him, do you Gfly.
May 25th, 2006 at 6:50 pm
Twosret,
You did guess right no one should mourn the death of an arab, muslim, only Jews who died in Germany we should mourn and live with the guilt forever.
eee was talking about China and Japan (and Palestinians of course!) during WW II. Perhaps if you want some perspective about the conduct of US troops in Iraq, you should investigate what happened to the 300,000 Chinese soldiers who surrendered to the Japanese at Shanghai? There are photos a planty. The Japanese soldiers apparrently thought filling a river with the corpses of dead prisoners was pretty funny. Jews were not the only victims in WWII, and Nazis were not the only war criminals. I really think that you should know what a real war crime is, if you want to continue making such accusations. The truth is out there. Really. It’s not a vast anti-Arab conspiracy.
Last comment in this thread for me, it’s gotten way too ugly.
May 27th, 2006 at 7:07 pm
HOW ISLAMIC OF AL QAEDA!!
HOW TOTALLY KORANIC OF THEM TO TRADE IN WOMEN AND CHILDREN! and before some people start whinning let me state my EVIDENCE from KORAN, and it’s interpretation by sunni shcolars as documented on the official website of the SAUDI MINISTRY of ISLAMIC RELATIONS and da’awa and irshad>>>>>>>
- Koran 4-3 ”marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess.” >>>
http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=KORTOBY&nType=1&nSora=4&nAya=24
AND >>> http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=2&Rec=1848
May 30th, 2006 at 9:14 am
Dude was right about middle class Amaericans not forgetting soon. At the time I thought we should have used nukes on that whole side of the world and ‘oops sorry” about you in Israel. Time has passed and now “I” am less angery. But not everyone. Just a fact. This from a mutt Cherrokee English Irish Scott maried to another Scottish Cherrokee Chippaewa mutt and trying to make the rent