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Sunday, 25 Jun 2006
The arabs hate the Jordanian King Hussein and call him a traitor, the Benedict Arnold of the arab world, for not fighting with Israel during the 50's and 60's, and for kicking out the PLO after they tried to overthrow him in the 1970's.
The arabs hate the egyptians for the Camp David treaty and selling out the palestinain cause and giving everyone else the excuse to sign peace treaties with Israel!
The arabs hate Kuwait, for supporting the US war in Iraq to remove Saddam, who invaded them in the past and tortured and killed their people.
The arabs hate the iraqis that went out and celebrated the removal of Saddam and co-operated with the americans to get rid of him, after he opressed them, tortured them, killed them and raped their women for the past 25 years.
The arabs hate the lebanese because they are helping and aiding the "zionist enemy" and "the american imperialists" in finding cause and reason to isolate and punish Syria.
The lebanese hate the arabs because they won't support them against the syrians who are occupying them and killing those amongst them who want a free and independent Lebanon.
The Iraqis hate the arabs for never supporting them or helping them
move on and create a better country, and for continuing to support
Saddam.
The Kuwaitis hate the arabs for majorly being OK with them getting invaded by Saddam and for getting mad at them for doing what's necessary to protect themselves.
The egyptians hate the arabs for..well..really lots of reasons. It's mainly our superiority complex speaking, 7000 years of civilization and all. Plus, we are the ones who did most of the fighting against Israel, while the rest just kind of watched, and yet have the nerve to call us traitors!
The Jordanians hate the arabs because they view themselves as the only people who truly did something for the palestinains and gave them citizenships and a home, while palestinians in other arab countries are still treated and viewed as refugees, even if they were born in those countries.
The Tunisians, algerians and Morroceans are too geographically far and too culturally seperate to actually care about the stupid shit that arabs squabble about.
And the Libyans have given up on the arabs, and are now promoting african-ness, which is a really dumb move since the african nations are even more retarded than the arab ones.
Yay for Pan-arabism!
June 25th, 2006 at 8:03 am
Brilliant! you summed it all up, really one happy family lol
Every country should mind it’s own business and work for their intrests, that’s the only solution for the Middle East, at least for now.
June 25th, 2006 at 8:23 am
If everybody hates the Arabs, than who are the Arabs?
Completely irrelevant, but I must say I am developing a non-sexual crush on the King of Jordan. I truly think he is a good descent person and if anyone can bring prosperity to the middle east, its probably him.
June 25th, 2006 at 8:24 am
what is pan=arabism? i believe it is a hollow term that shall not gain any significance until countries start recognising that they are part of a community and need not only take care of themselves.
once you recognise yourself as being part of such a community you will end up meeting the goals of pan-arabism, that of a unity among a continually divided people.
i like the idea of pan-arabism, much like i like i enjoy the idea of communism but until we first recognise that we ourselves need assistance within our own borders we cannot seek to help others in order to look better on the international political scene.
i wat socio-politcal equity and revolution before i can look too far beyond myself.
June 25th, 2006 at 8:30 am
The King of Jorday is a serial gambler. Google Jordan, King, Gambling for some morning bathroom reading…
I love the Dave Chappelle show, in one sketch he had Arabs being mistrusted by blacks, who were mistrusted by whites, who were mistrusted by indigenous americans (indjuns), who were mistrusted by Moose! I’m Rick James Bitch!
I just love Sand Monkey’s innocence and 20 something, innocent, monolithic view of the world. It reminds me of my younger days…
June 25th, 2006 at 10:23 am
But aren’t all these united and almighty arabs driving
the innocent hebrews in the sea - so that they have
absolutely no other option than to self-defend the pal.s
in concentration-camps and kill them by starvation and
diseases as the amnesian master race did in Iraq in
more than 500.000 cases?
You’re not gonna call the zionazis big fat liers?
June 25th, 2006 at 11:23 am
The Americans gave the Israelis lots and lots of money, and the Israelis said “See what we have done, we have made the desert bloom!” The Americans gave the Palestinians lots and lots of money, and they said, “See what we have done, we have taught our children to blow up civilians!”
Even the Americans can tell the difference between Israel and Palestine by now.
June 25th, 2006 at 12:04 pm
LOL!!! The only thing “pan” about them is hatred. No wonder they are so mired in backwardness.
June 25th, 2006 at 1:08 pm
I searched about Saudis between the lines!!! and there was NOTHING! Arrogance is the key!
Interesting post sand monkey..
June 25th, 2006 at 1:27 pm
So Much For ‘Pan-Arabism”
Pan-Arabism? Seems as though there’s a whole lot of hate going on in the Arab world
June 25th, 2006 at 1:40 pm
You can say the same on Europeans SM. See what the French/Brits/Germans feel about each other. Even in the US you can say the same between Americans from different states/regions/races….. What you mentioned is natural between all humanbeings.
Personally I am not pro-panarabism either but for different reasons.
June 25th, 2006 at 2:09 pm
I have yet heard of an Arab who hates the Late King Hussien (may his soul rest in peace), can you please explain why 90 world leaders showed up at his funeral? All Arab leaders and most Arabs do respect King Hussien for his achievements.
One other thing about Jordan, Palestinians make up at least %50 of Jordan’s population, and people who are originally Jordanians do owe a part of Jordan’s development to Palestinians, so there’s no reason for us to hate other Arabs, in other words, original Jordanians don’t feel that original Palestinians are a burden. Hell Palestinains even had a lot of help in building Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.
Sandmonkey, if that’s how you feel I think that you have a complete wrong idea; Jordan has opened it’s arms for all Arabs and for all nationalities: Kuwaitis, Bahrainis, Saudis and Syrians all come to Jordan to receive their education, the Lebanese come here to start their businesses, Egyptians and Mororccans come here to seek labor, Iraqis have come to reside here, I simply don’t see what you’re saying at all.
For your information, and I want feedback from Tunisian, Moroccan and Algerian bloggers please; these civilizations truly respect Arabs, especailly Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians and Lebanese people because they feel that these countries were the source of the true Arab civilization. Believe you me, I have plenty of friends from those countries, and some of my closest friends lived there, and they told me they were treated in a great way simply because they were from these countries (Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon and Syria).
I want you SM, to visit these countries, use you Egyptian accent, and see for yourself how you’ll be treated, believe you me you’ll be treated with very much respect.
When you say hate among Arabs, I can only think of Kuwaitis vs. Saudis and Lebanese vs. Syrians and that’s all. I’ve yet to hear about anything else that you’ve said, I have a lot of friends from different Arab countries, I swear to God some even memorized the Jordanian National Anthem better than I do!
June 25th, 2006 at 2:15 pm
Also, I don’t really believe in a Pan Arabism, it just doesn’t seem to click really, we can’t just create one big country based on language, even our language isn’t the same, one could barely understand another Arabic dialect honestly.
I think Jordan, Lebanon and the Gulf are model countries really. Jordan and Lebanon have the human and natural resources though they’re rich in equities or liquadation, while the Gulf countries are rich in cash reserves, and here you see all of their investments being poured into Jordan and Lebanon. When Lebanon have cancelled all visas for Jordanians to enter and made it absolutely nothing; that’s a good step regarding relations between Arabs. Let’s face it, even if there were a unity, we’d have a civil war next. You really don’t want to gather up 22 pot bellied Arab leaders in one room trying to choose one person to lead the troops now do we? I’d rather see financial and cultural unity rather than political unity, it’s old news anyway.
June 25th, 2006 at 2:25 pm
Pheras,
Are you aware that the Late King Hussein initiated “Black September” and warned Israel of the Yom Kippur war? Palestinians even named their terrorist organization after “Black September”.
Are you seriously telling us that no Arab hates the Late King Hussein?
June 25th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
> and warned Israel of the Yom Kippur war?
And they lost the Sinia to egypt then - I’m in tears.
The interesting lesson: Zionazis u n d e r s t a n d violence.
Want to negotiate with them? Then carry a big stick with you.
That - not appeasement or accepting their “right to exist” - is
the only mean to get back what they stole.
June 25th, 2006 at 2:42 pm
WN,
That is exactly what I was about to say, You beat me to it.
LOL@big stick
June 25th, 2006 at 2:46 pm
Eee, what a couageous soul you are! Hiding behind three fucking vowels. I don’t see you carrying a stick and on a plane to Tel Aviv to bring back our rights.
It is radical lunatics like you (regardless of your athiesm, which you wear as if it is a badge of credibility) that lost us our land in the first place.
if you have balls (or ovaries), reveal right now, and right here, your name, location and a picture of your face. Otherwise, please fuck off and only come back when you are zzz.
June 25th, 2006 at 3:06 pm
No. I guess I should apologize. There is no hatred in the Arab world. eee has consumed it all. What a loser.
June 25th, 2006 at 3:16 pm
same shit but different day
June 25th, 2006 at 3:28 pm
SM, you make this sound like one of those rom com teen films, “10 arabs I hate about you” or something.
Says a lot about the Middle East actually.
June 25th, 2006 at 3:45 pm
King Hussien didn’t initiate the war, rebellious/Islamic Palestinians did so. They trying to hide away from Lebanon and Israel and start hiding in Jordanian and Palestinian homes in Amman, if Hussien may his soul rest in peace didn’t fire back at those Islamists a civil war would’ve started in Jordan.
Sugar and Spice, I don’t see your pictures anywhere?
June 25th, 2006 at 3:45 pm
“The arabs hate the Jordanian King Hussein and call him a traitor, the Benedict Arnold of the arab world, for not fighting with Israel during the 50’s and 60’s, and for kicking out the PLO after they tried to overthrow him in the 1970’s.”
The Lebanese hate him for kicking out the PLO as well, but only because those clowns went to Lebanon after they left Jordan. King Hussein was too soft on the PLO. He should have terminated this terrorist organization. .
June 25th, 2006 at 3:54 pm
King Hussein gets extra points for his wife, too. He’s cool
(here’s another reason to hate him - Israelis like him and Israel works with the Kingdom!)
June 25th, 2006 at 4:06 pm
eee,
“> and warned Israel of the Yom Kippur war?
And they lost the Sinia to egypt then - I’m in tears.”
NOPE, it wasn’t then. Israel still won the war even though they got the worst possible start. Sinai was swapped for “peace” with Egypt a number of years later.
June 25th, 2006 at 4:06 pm
Yeah Raccoon his wife is Palestinian
June 25th, 2006 at 4:08 pm
oops! I thought you were talking about the Current Abduallah silly me I thought you gave up your racism against Palestinians in a moment of truth.
Oh and why would the arabs love him for? for going to their enemy and warn them that a war is about to start so the Israeli will get ready?
June 25th, 2006 at 4:10 pm
Lets not forget that Egyptians hate Morroco and Tunis because they keep us from qualifying for world cup.
June 25th, 2006 at 4:11 pm
There has been always a fued between America and Canada so what should I say here hold on let me copy Oliver.
“Says a lot about the Middle East actually.”
Here we go. It says a lot about North America actually
June 25th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
Pheras,
How Come?
Read her blog entry from today. She has just travelled to Jordan from Iraq, and she is NOT happy. She seem particularly unhappy that Americans breeze through the lines while Iraqis get treated like dirt.
June 25th, 2006 at 4:44 pm
We’ve received them, it’s their decision whether to be happy or not, are we responsible for that? It’s like, oh my government is bad cause some people aren’t happy, how lame is that Craig?!
June 25th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
Pheras, I was just pointing out that the picture isn’t as rosy as you say
Here’s the blog of an Iraqi girl who had to go to UAE after getting her degree in Jordan, and now she is going to have to go back to Iraq even though she is virtually homeless. See her top post, “Doomed”:
Attawie
eee, are these Marines talking about you?
Young Americans
:p
June 25th, 2006 at 5:00 pm
Well, nothing is! Our government did a favor, look at the bright side!
I dont wanna sound selfish, but that’s not our fault!
June 25th, 2006 at 5:04 pm
Twosret - you have my pity, sistah, for the tunnel in wich your train of thought seems to be.
I did mean the current King and the current King’s wife. The old King was discovered to be a sane person in the end, and is also respected for it.
I am interested in observing your cognitive dissonance at work. Pray tell - how does this post reveal my racist, evil, Palestinian-children-devouring true nature?
*sad*
June 25th, 2006 at 5:53 pm
My apology then Raccoony I couldn’t believe my eyes
you are actually praising one Palestinian. Do you blame me?
Don’t be sad Raccoon get back to your happy spirit but not your funny spirit (sticking my tongue out at ya)
June 25th, 2006 at 6:19 pm
I don’t blame you. It’s just sad that you would see racism where there is only criticism. Not only does a cry of “racism!” stifles debate, it’s also kind of like crying “wolf!”.
June 25th, 2006 at 6:23 pm
your love for nature amaze me, you should move to Australia and enjoy nature. Don’t exaggerate you should know by now my train of thoughts and how I’m very moderate compared to others.
June 25th, 2006 at 6:25 pm
criticism is when you criticize some but when you generalize you really make me sad because someone like you should know better.
As for finding insulting cartoons of prophets funny, or you find dead Palestinian babies in a sandwich halarious then you are out of line in my book.
June 25th, 2006 at 6:40 pm
“As for finding insulting cartoons of prophets funny, or you find dead Palestinian babies in a sandwich halarious then you are out of line in my book.”
Humour does you most good when it is most shocking.
Cartoons of _anyone_ can be funny, or make a political point, whether the person in the cartoon is a prophet or a US Marine or Osama Bin Laden. The Danish cartoons that were actually published (not the fake ones) were mostly well drawn and made political points about the takeover of Islam by extremists.
I doubt whether any prophet with any sense would be upset by a cartoon drawing of himself. Prophets are used to being mocked.
June 25th, 2006 at 6:56 pm
Twosret - I second Don Cox about humor. “Humour does you most good when it is most shocking” - spot on. Without Holocaust jokes, I would have probably ended up being racist against Germans.
I did live in Australia for quite a while. Adore the outback, sans the infinite variety of incredibly venomous critters. What’s the sense in stuffing a spider the size of your pinky’s fingernail with enough venom to kill 500 horses?
Australian fauna is God’s private joke, I tell ya. Just look at the platypus
June 25th, 2006 at 7:35 pm
What?! NO SAUDIS?!
June 25th, 2006 at 7:53 pm
So true! let’s not forget about the divisions within each country itself, west vs. east, south vs. north, etc. Each region thinking they are much superior than the others. A happy family indeed!
June 25th, 2006 at 8:01 pm
I come from Egypt guys the kingdom of jokes, we can spend hours laughing as long as it Makes us Laugh.
Don Cox sorry I disagree about those cartoons they simply don’t make me laugh so is the humor of Palestinian dead babies in a sandwich.
But if you wish to laugh on shocking stuff it can be arranged, between SM, Mohamed and I we can give you a good show
June 25th, 2006 at 8:40 pm
> It is radical lunatics like you (regardless of your athiesm, which you wear as
> if it is a badge of credibility) that lost us our land in the first place.
No, you lost it because it was sold by the british to the hebrew master race,
and because the pal. had no army, and were thus never able to “drive the
hebrews into the sea” - another zionist lie from Mr. David Gruen.
Then - baby: I’m NOT a palestinian, NOT an arab and NOT a muslim and
not a fool/tool from Amnesia of course.
Instead I’m PRO democracy - not the hebrew fake thing - PRO human rights
- not only for a hebrew master race - and ANTI fascist - against zionism.
Finally - if something I say is plain wrong or if it’s hurts the palestinians -
tell me darling - and I will change that if it appears sensible.
June 25th, 2006 at 9:03 pm
> NOPE, it wasn’t then. Israel still won the war even though they got
> the worst possible start. Sinai was swapped for “peace” with Egypt
> a number of years later.
No contradictions included.
Yom Kippur showed, that it was to dangerous for the master race to
live surrounded by enemies. So they appeased - and bribed - egypt,
the biggest potential threat to their jewish only wonderland, and returned
the Sinai back to them.
One of the clues to Mubaraks rule lies in the deal between the hebrew
master race, their amnesian donors and Sadat/Mubarak.
After that, they launched the settlements in the Westbank, to deliberately
destroy any viable separate palestinian state and the base of the
palestinian community/society in the Westbank and Gaza - copying what
the NAZI planned to do after the endsieg in Russia: deport the population,
push them into concentration camps and let them die from starvation and
diseases there.
While its true, that the pal. cannot defeat zionazism with Qassam’s or other
toys, it’s also remains true, that appeasing ziofascism - accepting his
“right to exist” - i.e. his r i g h t to rob, deport and kill the pal. - is simply
crazy and doomed to fail.
The solution is a mixture of PR - free our media from its zionist occupiers -
and a boycott of Israel, exactly as it was done to end the apartheid-regime
in South Africa - another former g o o d zionazi friend.
June 25th, 2006 at 9:04 pm
eee, I don’t catch you, I thought you were a funny one with sense of humor instead of, you cry and insult people, I don’t think it is a good way to make people sensitive to your revendications I know that’s the way people revendict in France, but, all they get is the contrary in a worst way
June 25th, 2006 at 9:55 pm
When I first arrived here, I thought Sand Monkey was the most annoying little bastard ever, along with his bitch/side kick Big Pharaoh. However, eee, you have just taken that honor. Somone shut that thing up!
June 25th, 2006 at 9:59 pm
Why does he have to shut up free speech people let him talk
why everyone here seems threaten by him?.
June 25th, 2006 at 10:02 pm
> I thought you were a funny one with sense of humor
> instead of, you cry and insult people
What’s so funny about ethnic cleansing?
And what is more insulting, calling people fascists, that claim
to have the right to ethnically cleanse palestine from its native
arab population - under the pretense of security or choseness -
or that particular people?
Please give me an advice, how to say “you’re a racist apologist
of hebrew facism” more kindly.
How to say that to people which claim to have arab pal.
“friends” - no kidding - and that are brazen enough to tell us,
that expanding the settlements - making a solution impossible
- is part of that solution.
People who call their extort techniques “unilateral” or “convergent”?
How to address people politely, that refute basic premises
of all civilized societies - basic human rights, as long as these
h u m a n s are pal., arab or muslim.
Any idea?
June 25th, 2006 at 10:09 pm
eee,
“Yom Kippur showed, that it was to dangerous for the master race to
live surrounded by enemies.”
Disagree. I’ll ignore the insults. They ring hollow because they are so far from the truth. On the point of substance:
Yom Kippur actually showed that Arab states would lose even if
1. Strongest Arab states attacked Israel.
2. Israel was totally unprepared.
3. Arab states had key advantages in certain weapons (crucially SAM-3, which took out Israeli air force).
4. Israeli high command was poor and divided.
It is unvelievable that these circumstances will be repeated ever again. Even then it has been proven that Israel will not be defeated. Yom Kippur war proved more than any other, incudling 6-day war and the war of Independence that Israel is there to stay.
Yom Kippur did lead to peace between Egypt and Israel. Not because Israel felt threatened, but because Egypt gained a little pride and appreciation that it would never reach by force what it can achieve by peace.
By all means, keep up your fight against Israel’s “right to exist”. You never know, one day, you and your Hamas soulmates may actually achieve the Greater Israel.
June 25th, 2006 at 10:14 pm
where are you living ?
now, let see, you can argue what ever you want !
I am not sure it would be possible where you are suppose to claim
ether I am not sure all the people living there would think the way you are
so it is easy for you to complain about the master people !
funny !
I had a friend called pseudo Arabica who told the things the way you are in a french furum
noone would take care of what she said but rubbish !
so if it is not a sign , so you have to manage it another way !
June 25th, 2006 at 10:25 pm
> 2. Israel was totally unprepared.
Propaganda.
> It is unvelievable that these circumstances will be repeated ever again.
That’s true.
> Yom Kippur war proved more than any other, incudling 6-day war and
> the war of Independence that Israel is there to stay.
No it simply proves, that Israel depends on violence exclusively.
No more money and weapons from the US, no more proxies in
Egypt, Jordan et al. - game over for the “jewish democracy”.
> Not because Israel felt threatened, but because Egypt gained
> a little pride and appreciation that it would never reach by force
> what it can achieve by peace.
Irrelevant nonsense. Egypt got the Sinai, because it attacked
Israel, not because it accepted Israels “right to exist” in the Sinai.
Want a deal with facists - wear big stick. Same thing happened
in Lebanon.
But of course, for the forseeable future the pal. will not be able
to defeat hebr. fascists by force. Their strategy must be to erode
their fake legitimacy in the west, cut the ties on which Israel relies.
Boycott is a must.
June 25th, 2006 at 10:35 pm
Sorry, unable to understand the point of numero 48.
> When I first arrived here, I thought Sand Monkey was the most
> annoying little bastard ever, along with his bitch/side kick Big
> Pharaoh. However, eee, you have just taken that honor.
Try writing a letter to the owner of the blog:
Start with:
Dear annoying little bastard,
….
:))
June 25th, 2006 at 10:35 pm
you mean that we are going to boicot jaffa oranges,
kidding, anyone can get with mondialisation whatever they want from anywhere
may-be the jaffa stuffs would spelled eee pali production, who knows !
June 25th, 2006 at 10:43 pm
Groups working for a boycott of isr. products already
exist. And I don’t by fruits from Israel.
The problem are the media, who are in the tight grip of
the hebraic censorship, parotting their lies 24 hours a day.
June 25th, 2006 at 10:46 pm
The best way to deal with eee is by urinating into its nostrils. It is also eee’s only use - so I invite all present to help eee utilize its potential as a latrine.
June 25th, 2006 at 11:05 pm
Oh, come on Raccoon, this if fun!
eee, let me help you. Here is an incomplete, but still reasonably good list of zionist products to boycott:
List of Jewish businesses to boycott.
June 25th, 2006 at 11:09 pm
Egyptians are definitely superior to the other Arabs which is why the Arabs need us to be their doctors and accountants. Pan-Arabism is incredibly stupid and will never take off. We should pursue things within our own national interests. In that regard we’ll probably see Egypt’s relations with countries like Israel, Turkey, and the Maghreb take off at the expense of other ARab nations. This will be good for us. HOwever, I think the Middle East/North Africa should form one soccer contingent, that way Egypt would qualify every time.
June 25th, 2006 at 11:30 pm
Ah! It is GOOD to be the king.
Uncle Sam
June 26th, 2006 at 12:00 am
> List of Jewish businesses to boycott
That’s where you get your inspirations from?
LOL.
Didn’t the IDF pogrom-troopers study the tactics the nazis used to crush
the ghetto insurgency in Warsawa as a template to invade Jenin?
ROTFL.
Seriously. Don’t want to support hebraic fascism any longer?
Here’s a hint:
http://www.bigcampaign.org/ximages/ad3bannerboycott1.jpg
June 26th, 2006 at 12:10 am
> I invite all present to help eee utilize its potential as a latrine.
Paramilitary border police detained two Palestinians at a checkpoint
and beat them, forced one to drink urine and burned both with cigarettes,
Israeli prosecutors said on Tuesday.
And did the SS forced the jews in the death camps to drink their urine?
WIth kisses for jewish nazis in Israel - aka. the hebrews.
June 26th, 2006 at 12:15 am
And finally I also like this one:
Someone even managed to defecate into the photocopier
(org. haaretz)
Smells like a latrine? Must be the home of a hebrew.
June 26th, 2006 at 12:23 am
Enjoy the only “jewish democracy” on earth…
Ciao.
June 26th, 2006 at 12:49 am
eee,
Your good natured humour, zest for learning, openness of your mind, balance and kindness of your heart will be sorely missed. Please don’t leave us.
Why don’t you tell us a bit more about yourself? Or at least let me have a guess:
1. You were born in Germany in 1940s.
2. You emigrated to ???
3. You felt ashamed for what Germans did in WWII
4. Until… you figured out that that wasn’t as bad as what Zionists are doing now.
Am I at least “warm”? There are too many possibilities, and on the balance of probabilities, I got it wrong. Yet this seems to be a fairly typical biography for a virulent western anti-zionist.
June 26th, 2006 at 12:58 am
LOL
Hey, eee, don’t take it too hard. I merely offered to utilize your only potential. It’s not as if I said I’ll tear our your left eyeball and skullfuck you - crushing your os sphenoid with my baculum and filling your empty brainpan with my sperm - now did I?
tsk tsk tsk
*snigger*
PS
Sorry for the disgusting imagery and language, everyone who’s not eee…
June 26th, 2006 at 5:09 am
First of all, Egyptians are not Arabs. Not because Arabs are inferior, or because arabs are bad. But because Egyptians are simply not Arabs. Regardless of who’s better and who’s worse. We are who we are. As el Nahass basha (The wafdian lfigure after zhagloul said) we are a rainbow nation. We have alot of elements and to take on element and stamp it on everything is bullshit.
June 26th, 2006 at 5:32 am
#63 Raccoon, Control yourself…that was disgusting!!!!
eee freeek- I was in the Sinai in 78′ and it was certainly under Israeli control at that time. But don’t believe a Zionazi member of the Master Race like me-look it up for yourself.
June 26th, 2006 at 7:22 am
Or as Tal3t Harb said when he was speaking of the Bank of Egypt:
Ya Bank Masr, An Eli Bad3ak We Ana Eli Baneek
June 26th, 2006 at 3:25 pm
it good to have bigots like ‘eee’ just proves the need for a jewish state. no point to agrue with him any more that it would prove to argue with a euro nazi.
Subject: Egypt
To:
FOCUS / RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
The Bahai struggle for recognition in Egypt
By MARIAM FAM
Cairo _ Tucked away in Labib Iskandar’s pocket is a neatly folded slip of paper with fraying edges that tells the story of a community fighting for recognition. It’s a receipt Iskandar got when he applied for the computer-based identification card Egypt had just then begun issuing _ more than five years ago. Iskandar is a Bahai, a member of a religious community that regards a 19th century Persian nobleman, Baha’u'llah, as its prophet _ a challenge to the Muslim belief that Mohammed is the last prophet.
Given the pivotal role of Islam in Egyptian life, the government will not issue an ID card to a Bahai, but only to members of the major monotheistic faiths: Islam, Christianity or Judaism.
The issue broke into the news in April when a court ruled that members of Egypt’s little-known Bahai community had the right to have their faith listed on official documents, sparking an outcry. The Interior Ministry quickly filed an appeal, and last month another court froze the case.
It’s still a controversy, however. Some Muslim clerics openly declare the Bahai faith is a heresy, and civil rights advocates complain this heavy-handed approach threatens to set off clashes like those that erupted recently between Muslims and minority Christians in the northern city of Alexandria.
While the dispute directly affects only the country’s Bahais _ perhaps 2,000 of the 72 million Egyptians _ it provides a glimpse into how a once cosmopolitan society has sunk into a culture where fanaticism outweighs theoretical protections of religious freedom.
”Before, everything was simpler and everyone knew I was a Bahai and had no problem with that,” said Iskandar, a 59-year-old engineering professor. ”There were no biases. Fanaticism started to surface only now.”
The family whose suit led to the court ruling on the Bahai faith has refused to speak with reporters. But the Bahais’ experience in Egypt can be seen through Iskandar and his family.
His birth certificate and original government ID card list him as a Bahai. His sons have similar birth certificates. But when his oldest son, Ragi, 24, applied for his ID card, officials would only agree to drawing a line _ to indicate a blank _ in the religion section.
Later when 19-year-old Hady applied for an ID, he was told he must identify himself as a follower of one of the three officially recognised religions and never got his papers, Iskandar said.
”We worry sick about them when they stay out late, especially the youngest son, since he has no ID, which could land him in trouble,” said Iskandar. ”Because they’re young, they get upset and may say ‘let’s leave Egypt’,” _ an option the elder Iskandar rejects.
”I am an Egyptian. I was born in Egypt… and I won’t leave Egypt,” he said.
The elder Iskandar was allowed to apply for the new computerised ID but never got one. His two sons’ applications for the new documents were not even accepted. At the end of the year, Egypt will not recognise the old, paper IDs, replacing them with the computerised ones.
Iskandar recalled attending Bahai activities until a 1960 presidential decree dissolved Bahai assemblies. Last October, he said, his sister died and the family couldn’t obtain a death certificate because of her faith.
”They don’t want to recognise the Bahai faith. Fine, no problem. But as an Egyptian citizen, is it my right or not to have a birth certificate and an ID card?” he said. ”Why do you want me to change my religion? Why do you want me to be a hypocrite? I refuse to lie.”
Abdel Moeti Bayoumi, a Muslim scholar, said the Bahais’ demand for recognition on official documents would cement a sectarian system that could fracture the country.
”Believe in whatever you want to believe in, you and your children, as long as you do so at home behind closed doors,” he said. ”Do not undermine the public order.”
Bayoumi is a member of the Al-Azhar Centre of Islamic Research, a leading institution of Sunni Muslim learning. Like many Muslim scholars, he believes Bahaism is a splinter of Islam and not a religion in its own right. He said the Bahais’ beliefs and practices _ including considering Baha’u'llah as a prophet _ offend Muslims. He said Bahais were lucky the Interior Ministry appealed the April verdict because otherwise extremists could have attacked them.
A statement from Al-Azhar urged Egypt ”to firmly stand against this group which hurts the religion of God”. It urged the government to outlaw the Bahai faith, and another statement from Al-Azhar’s research centre, playing on the region’s anti-Israeli sentiments, argued that Bahaism ‘’serves the interests of Zionism”.
Bahais say their holy sites in Israel are used to discredit their community. Prophet Baha’u'llah died in 1892 in Akko in what was then the Ottoman Empire _ and is now in Israel. The international headquarters for the world’s five million Bahais are in Haifa, Israel, and they have other holy places in Turkey and Iran.
Hossam Bahgat, director of the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, which has monitored the Bahais’ case, said Egyptians’ ignorance of the faith has fuelled a smear campaign. ”It is another manifestation of the narrow and heavy-handed approach with which the interior ministry tackles religious affairs. There are strong similarities between these events and the [Muslim-Christian] clashes in Alexandria in terms of lack of tolerance.”
Political sociologist Hoda Zakareya said Egypt_ which until the 1950s was home to significant numbers of Jews, Armenians, Greeks and other foreigners_ has grown less tolerant.
”The religious rhetoric in the mosque and the church has become harsher and more conservative,” said Zakareya, who is against listing religions on IDs at all.
Iskandar said many Egyptians were dangerously mixing the religious and secular.
”Everyone is acting as if they were God’s envoy to the world, labelling people believers and non-believers. This is not our job. If you think we are non-believers, leave it for God to punish us.” AP
June 26th, 2006 at 9:51 pm
yay for false simplification you mean. you are an unconscionable turd.
June 26th, 2006 at 11:33 pm
> Sorry for the disgusting imagery and language, everyone who’s not eee…
No, let it out!
Tell us more about your dreams to cut babies out of pregnant arab
women or to take their children and smash their heads against a wall.
So don’t stop - give us more insight in the rotten mind of a true zionazi.
You cannot image how much I like it!
June 26th, 2006 at 11:58 pm
> Your good natured humour, zest for learning, openness of your mind, balance
> and kindness of your heart will be sorely missed. Please don’t leave us.
It will be too long for, for you will loose here, where you cannot humiliate,
beat, torture and kill as it’s your master race habit.
> 1. You were born in Germany in 1940s.
Wrong.
> 2. You emigrated to ???
Wrong.
> 3. You felt ashamed for what Germans did in WWII
What do you - master race - know about shame?
Shame?
Shame is the bad feeling when you commit injustice against defenseless people.
You don’t have the slightest idea what “shame” means.
That weakness was erased when you grew up in a society of hebrew fascists.
> 4. Until… you figured out that that wasn’t as bad as what Zionists are doing now.
Wow - your tricks are not bad - much better than Mrs. Still-so-dumb, seems
you are of true master race descent. Congratulations.
Do you really believe - oh master of the latrines - that I will help you to
prop up your usual NAZI-smoke screen to hide your fascism?
“You may think, that we are bad, but look what the NAZIs did to us!”
That’s really the reason why you make your matzahs from the blood of pal.
children? Make them drink your pee?
ROTFL.
June 27th, 2006 at 12:02 am
> it good to have bigots like ‘eee’ just proves the need for a jewish state.
A state where the hebrews have their own jews - aka the pal.s - to beat,
rob, deport or murder them - make it a p u r e jewish country…
A giant latrina - really badly needed!!!
June 27th, 2006 at 12:32 am
[...] From the SandMonkey The arabs hate the Jordanian King Hussein and call him a traitor, the Benedict Arnold of the arab world, for not fighting with Israel during the 50’s and 60’s, and for kicking out the PLO after they tried to overthrow him in the 1970’s. [...]
June 27th, 2006 at 12:58 am
Ah, yes… eee returned to fulfill its function. Let us try something new today, shall we?
*urinates into eee’s right ear*
Ahhhhh…much better. Thank you, eee, you can go now.
Actually… wait… one last thing - don’t forget to flush, would you? The fact that your cranium is only usable as a latrine doesn’t mean everyone has to smell your stench every time you escape the assylum.
Now you really can go.
June 27th, 2006 at 1:09 am
Yawn.
June 27th, 2006 at 1:29 am
A statement faxed Monday by Palestinian groups purporting to hold
an Israeli soldier demanded the release of women and children
under 18 held in Israeli prisons.
Of course Olmert will make him a martyr for the hebrew blood-
and-soil cult - and inevitably use it as a pretext to kill 50 up to
100 pal. civilians or far more.
They are very good in killing civilians - and the media which they
control will hide it as usual - thus pvovide the turdians with enough
blood of pal. children to make tons of matzah’s.
Because - rule number one for any master race: punish your
slaves hard to show them, that you are the real master - never
show shame, mercy or humanity.
Pee now!
June 27th, 2006 at 3:30 am
A bit more from the story linked by eee in #59:
“Paramilitary border police detained two Palestinians at a checkpoint and beat them, forced one to drink urine and burned both with cigarettes, Israeli prosecutors said on Tuesday.
The incident is the latest case of alleged abuse of Palestinians at checkpoints by Israeli security forces. Often, the soldiers or police are young and relatively unsupervised.
Five border police officers were charged on Tuesday with assault and abuse in the incident, which occurred two weeks ago.”
I realize that this will have no effect on eee, who will immediately insult me and accuse me of a variety of sordid personal habits, but notice who is prosecuting these paramilitary border police for abusing Palestinians. He is quite straightforward in equating the Israeli government with Nazi Germany, but I don’t recall any Waffen SS troops being brought up on similar charges by the Third Reich.
June 27th, 2006 at 3:46 am
Uchuck - I’m afraid that you’re wasting your breath, talking to a latrine.
Hmmmm. I do wonder whether eee can have other uses… ah-hah!
*defecates into eee’s mouth*
eee, you’re moving up in the world!
Atta good girl.
June 27th, 2006 at 4:50 am
Don’t sink to eee’s level Raccoon. She/he is garbage. You are not.
June 27th, 2006 at 10:24 am
Forsooth, sweetie, we had this discussion and you couldn’t point to a single thing that I said that was wrong. So, dahling, shut the fuck up before embaressing yourself even more!
June 27th, 2006 at 9:01 pm
> who will immediately insult me and accuse me of a variety of sordid
> personal habits, but notice who is prosecuting these paramilitary border
> police for abusing Palestinians.
Insult you? For what reason?
“prosecuting”? The master race prosecutes its pogromists?
Yeah, sometimes bad things happen. If for some unkown
reasons the zionist grip on our media fails, and the nazi-cha-
racter of the hebraic raccoonish turdistan gets exposed, we
see the “israel is a democracy” show.
A nazi state prosecuting his servants, who failed to hide the
goulish mindset of their so called “state”.
Even in the death-camps the nazi barbarians had obey their
- insane - rules while slaughtering their victims. Make them
drink their pee was not part of the rules.
Making other people drink your pee serves only for one pur-
pose - to humiliate the other to the max. It’s the inevitably
outcome of an absolutely shameless society of racist beggars
and thieves - the hebrew garbage society - Israel.
June 27th, 2006 at 9:05 pm
> Don’t sink to eee’s level Raccoon. She/he is garbage. You are not.
How to make a defecating zionazi sink, Mrs. Karen?
June 27th, 2006 at 9:17 pm
By spewing verbal diarrhea. And that is what you do all the time eee, you hateful, disgusting thing.
June 27th, 2006 at 10:24 pm
> eee, you hateful, disgusting thing.
Serious, Mrs. Like-to-swallow-zionist-pee-and-propaganda?
ROTFL.
June 27th, 2006 at 10:47 pm
Ahhh, eee, thank you for your timely arrival.
*urinates into eee’s left ear*
You’re so considerate - always there just when I need to take a leak.
*snigger*
June 27th, 2006 at 11:35 pm
Mr./Ms. hateful and disguting eee,
Seriously?! Really?! And you fall hook, line and sinker for the PROPAGANDA of the Islamofascist Arab Nazis. But I think your mommy and daddy probably planted the seed of hate in you first. Ciao!
June 28th, 2006 at 12:14 am
> Ciao!
Zionazis depend on lies - so you’ll be back soon.
> *snigger*
*heydrich*
ROTFL
June 28th, 2006 at 2:55 am
Loser
June 28th, 2006 at 4:07 am
Karen did you see Mohamed? You are hiding here and I thought you two eloped? what are you doing in this disgusting thread. I thought you are a woman!
May be not
June 28th, 2006 at 4:11 am
Paging eee to Camp David thread Paging eee. Israeli invasion is taking place as we post in Gaza.
Code Blue Code Blue
June 28th, 2006 at 4:17 am
What are you talking about Twosret? You were here earlier. No I haven’t seen that Mohamed. But there is another Mohhamed over at Helen Thomas.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:54 pm
you didn`t mention the great sectarian hatred of arabs towards arab shi`a espicially Iraqis and racial hatred towards Iraqi kurds. Arabs` hatred towards Egyption Coptics. The poor arabs` hatred towards rich gulf people. you didn`t mention the arab league Comedies when “arab leaders” cuss and curse at each other, not mentioning the great hatred towards other nations, USA, Israel, Britain, Iran, you just name it. Hatred is essential in the arab culture through history.