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Saturday, 15 Jul 2006
Hi dear readers,
Many of you have loved my last rant, where I ripped Hezbollah a new one. Well, I hope you don't mind me taking on the Israeli Defense Forces, cause they are fuckin pissing me off right about now. I figured that the best way to relay my thoughts and why I am angry would be in the form of an open letter to the IDF and the people who run it. It will go something like this:
Dear IDF,
YOU ARE FUCKIN MORONS!
When Hezbollah did what they did and kidnapped your soldiers, a golden opprutunity presented itself to you of the kind that didn't present itself since Black September 1970, when You came to the aid of King Hussein when the syrians sent tanks into Jordan to help the PLO's attempted coup. They gave you a chance of making a friend out of Lebanon, and now you have fucked that up royally. Good Job.
Let me explain it to you: Lebanon has been occupied by Syria for the past, I dunno, 30 years, and haven't had a chance bto actually get its shit together ever since, thanks to the flurry of assassinationa that Syria carried against their eladers. Hezbollah, who is founded and backed by Syria to fight you (because the syrians are too much of pussies to fight their own battles), have been holding the entire country hostage with its weapons and refusal to disarm, following the orders of their syrian overlords. They have been picking on fights with you for the past 2 years to get you to retalliate and blow up against them the way you just did, because without you, they have abolsutely no purpose or excuse for existing.
Now, the lebanese have been wanting to disarm Hezbollah for a while now, but couldn't, because as much as they fear Hezbollah, they fear one thing even more: Another civil war. So they have been dying for a way to disarm Hezbollah, or at least weaken it, and hann't been able to. Nevermind that the Lebanese army is a joke, or that it is controlled by the President, who is also a syrian puppet. The March 14 forces, your best hope at peace, achieved nothing other than have a couple thousand hot lebanese girls to go out and protest. They needed a miracle to get rid or pressure hezbollah, and you could've provided it. Instead, you fucked everything up.
You have bombed their airport, which meant that they needed to rely more on Syria now. You have bombed areas in Beirut that didn't have any Shia's in it. You are now bombing Tripoli and Jounieh and al manaraah. You are effectively destroying the Country, and you still haven't weakend Hezbollah one bit. Had you just stuck to attacking their strongholds in the South, you would've wekaend it to the degree that would've allowed the lebanese to later on disarm it and get rid of it. God knows they were furious at it for bringing on those attacks on them in the first place. Instead, because of the way you carried your atacks, the lebanese are now forced to unite behind Hezbollah, because they have come to the conclusion that you are taking it out on the whole of Lebanon, and not only the Hezbolla supporters. You could've been their hero, instead you became their enemy. Congratulations.
Also, why the hell are you bombing Lebanon anyway? You and me know that it is Syria and Iran who are running Hezbollah, and that what is happening is very much Syria's doing. So why aren't you attacking the syrians instead? Oh, yes, I rememberd, You are afraid what would happen if Bashar is out of Power. The Devil you know and all. Well, the devil that you know has put you on the offensive on 2 fronts and they haven't sufferd the least bit because of it.Kepp up that Devil you know policy; It's a real winner.
So stop being fuckin Morons, stop bombing Lebanon, and go put the blame where it belongs.
Sincirely Yours,
SM
July 15th, 2006 at 5:34 pm
Hang on SM, Syria’s next. I can’t tell you what the strategic and tactical thinking at the top of the IDF is, but don’t think they’re not going to take this opportunity to finish Syria, as presently governed, once and for all. Do you know anything about the Egyptian ship? How would Egyptians react to Hezbollah sinking an Egyptian ship, if only by mistake?
July 15th, 2006 at 5:36 pm
Bombing ports, airports, army radar facilities and highways in Lebanon seem like legitimate military targets to me. Hezbollah are not armed and supplied out of thin air. Cutting off their supply routes from Iran and Syria is a military necessity. As for the army radar facilities and other attacks on the Lebanese military, well they have shown that they have no intention of taking on Hezbollah. In order to insure their aerial supremacy, the IDF must take out Lebanese radar facilities and anti-aircraft positions. It sucks for the Lebanese people that Hezbollah brought this on them, but spare me the logic that these attacks are based on sheer malice towards Lebanon.
As for attacking Syria, its very easy for you to call for it SM. Now if the IDF actually goes ahead and does it, you know Israel can count on instant condemnation from every single country, and will further fan the flames of a possible regional war. Israel has to look out for itself, and carefully weigh it options if it hit Syria, who despite their pathetic military, do have chemical weapons.
July 15th, 2006 at 5:40 pm
Finally SM, a post that will please all the crowds, though you better not get used to it, as you’re better off with pissing people off.
Anyway, I seriously think that Hizbouallah are funded by America, as all other Islamic Groups, even Iran are part of America’s global agenda. I think that all this is part of a plan to finally destroy Hizbouallah in Lebanon, in order to spread American and UN forces in Lebanon, and finally surround Syria from all borders to eventually contain it, since obviously Israel didn’t get the job right at shutting up Syria. Also American forces have been dying to enter Israel, the whole Intifada was created to serve this purpose, Americans wanted to spread their forces in Jerusalem. This is where the Americans might get it right, and spread their forces, and establish their bases in Lebanon and North Israel.
Let’s face it people, America are never against somebody weak, they don’t pick on the weak, they get the weak to their side and use their land as bases, they attack and pick on who can threat their interests, obviously Irak and Syria are both potential threats to America, hence the continuous attacks on both. Israel, Turkey, Iran and the rest of the Middle East are all American bases, they’re all puppets in the hands of America.
I realize you all are going to think I’m crazy, and that I’m not making any sense, but time will tell. And remember what I said, American and UN forces are going to resolve this issue, I hope they won’t resort to this, because this’ll only hurt Lebanon. Who knows what’ll happen, but one thing is for sure; we’re not going to reside in peace in the ME.
July 15th, 2006 at 5:41 pm
isn’it that great Middle-Orient going on Bush was claiming ! civilisation, oops democratisation !
July 15th, 2006 at 5:50 pm
Olmert and Israeli generals don’t strike me as Morons.
It makes sense to stop supply of Iranian and Syrian weapons to Hezbollah. Ground attack on Hezbollah likely to come next. It’s not going to be easy, so you can’t fight this war with one hand behind your back.
July 15th, 2006 at 5:54 pm
May be you are correct:( As far as I can understand from our media, they (we?) just afraid of being stopped by the world - as we usually are.
That means that army concluded that it has no more than 2 or3 days to destroy as much as possible before Big Brother (in matter of fact G8 of them) will call us (they?) off… It is of course impossible to destroy Hezb in three days, so the army is now trying “to show Lebaneese that each time Hezb will do anything alike - Lebanon will suffer”. Leaders, that yesterday talked that “This war will continue while Hezbollah exists”, are now talking that “Our goal is to pull Hezbollah to the north” - and so all this freak show will end up in a few days with several dozens of bodies on the both sides, billions of dollars losses (mainly in Lebanon, but here too - tourist season fucked up on the both sides of the border) and virtually nothing on the positive side - Hezb will shortly rebuild, proclaim its “great victory over Zionist enemy”, and both Israel & Lebanon will gain nothing.
Yeah, here is a solid proof that Jews and Arabs are both children of Avraham - both of our nations are always been leaded by pathetic loosers, and that can only be explained by some kind of genetic problem:( Or may be that is ME climate?
July 15th, 2006 at 6:04 pm
SM,
I appreciate your attempt to be even-handed despite the reality of the situation. However…
You’re right that attacking Lebanon is fruitless, but it was a no-win situation for Israel either way. The problem, ironically enough, is that the Israeli and Lebanonese governments both require the tolerance of the majority of their people.
If the Israeli government had let this incursion from Hezbollah pass without action, they would have lost the support of the Israeli people. If they had demanded that the Lebanese government solve the problem, no action would have occurred, because Hezbollah is supported by too many Lebanese Muslims (especially if they do something bad to Israel).
In fact, if Israel had not decided to go ape against Gaza and Lebanon, there would not be ANY blame by Middle Easterners (to the extent there is) against Hezbollah or Hamas at all. Instead everyone would be changing the subject to bad things Israel did up to 60 years ago and longer.
Israel and the UN have tried for a year and more to get the Lebanese government to disarm and crack down on Hezbollah to no avail. What good would another year of doing nothing accomplish?
Perhaps Israel is hoping that they will finally have a cause to attack Syria directly over this issue? I don’t know. But the status quo was untenable. The box required a good shaking before the pieces MIGHT be put back together.
July 15th, 2006 at 6:09 pm
Anyway, TV says that army deployed Patriot anti-missile batteries near Haifa. That is NOT going to help against Hezbollah rockets. So, there is probably something bigger yet to come.
July 15th, 2006 at 6:15 pm
SM..
I tried really hard to find your tongue in your cheek in this post, unfortunately I could not..
The Israelis have shown remarkable restraint over the past few month. They GIVE back land to the Palestinians, and what is their reward??? The terrorists claim military victory and ramp up their attacks. Israel not being morons as you state have figured it out, the only thing the terrorists understand is brute force. They remind me of an aligator, that only quits eating chickens when you quit putting chickens in front of it.
Well i guess finally it’s enough is enough and now Hizboooooolah, and their Lebanese hosts are paying the price. My guess is that Syria is next.
Your efforts might be better placed trying to get the arabs to stand down.. oops my bad, you and many others have tried that for almost 60 yers to no avail.
Like I said before “payback’s a bitch”
What would be the , oh lets see, the Iranian response if Israel aws lobbing rockets indicriminately into Iran, or Syria, or Lebanon, or Egypt.. How much resraint would be shown then
July 15th, 2006 at 6:19 pm
No question, this is a ruined opportunity for the IDF. At worst lebanon is a moderate country whos people just want to spend money and buy BMWs. They have no desire to be part of this, they have learned their lesson 100 fold for the last 146 years. God save them. Poor Lebanon
July 15th, 2006 at 6:19 pm
SM, it is bad for Lebanon, it is bad for everybody. But are you calling for a war with Iran and Syria? They didn’t evidently appear so far. Who did is Hizb and these nihilists are sitting in the Lebanon parliament, just to remind you. Nazrallah is fighting his bloody war to regain his smashed self-pride again - unfortunately too many people are following blindly his words of hatress and actions of violence.
Solution: unarm Hisbollah, let Hamas recognize Israel and force Israel to stop her oppression and gear up to support in getting Gaza running. All this should have been done long ago - and everybody knows and keeps quiet.
Why aren’t the Lebanese disarming Hizbollah? they are afraid of civil war? War is war! Now there is war. If vereybody helps just to stop this hizbollah madness then there is a solid basis for peace in the region. But who wants this anyway.
July 15th, 2006 at 6:27 pm
“GREG MYRE The New York Times
Published: July 15, 2006
METULA, Israel In another day of cross-border shooting exchanges, Israeli airstrikes killed more than 20 Lebanese civilians on Saturday, including at least 15 who died when their convoy of vehicles was attempting to flee the south Lebanon border area, according to news reports.”
10 years from now Israel will deny it’s aggression and brutality, they will say this never happened and the arabs are anti-semites.
Shame on you Israel!
July 15th, 2006 at 6:30 pm
What you’re seeing is only a small part. Believe me, Hizballah is getting beat up. So far out of several hundred sorties only around 15% were targeted at infrastructure. The rest are against Hizballah positions. And of course all the artillery is in the south targetting Hizballh. All the forts they had in the south were destroyed. The problem now is simply finding them as they have gone underground. Nasrallah claimed he had 12000 rockets targetting Israel but they only launched around 300 which caused relatively little damage. Can you guess why that is? As for Syria, I doubt they’ll be targetted. Hizballah is a Lebanese problem.
July 15th, 2006 at 6:32 pm
SM,
If the IDF wanted to take down Nasrallah and co. in few hours they will but no Israel has to kill all the innocent civilians and destroy arab nations. What is new? same thing they did to the Palestinians.
July 15th, 2006 at 6:33 pm
I told you before, SM. Attacking Syria automatically brings Hezbollah (and all of Lebanon by default) into the conflict. One enemy at a time, please.
As for Lebanon’s desire to control Hezbollah, be serious. What has the Lebanese government done to control Hezbollah? I mean they cannot even prevent their airports from being used as conduits for arms to Hezbollah. They have done absolutely nothing. Not a single thing. Nothing.
Twenty years from now, without Israelis doing something, Hezbollah will be as armed and dangerous as ever. The Lebanese government is a joke. It is a government that cannot govern and a government that has no intention of ever really governing.
If the Lebanese want to unite behind Hezbollah, so be it. They are worthless in this conflict in any event. If if Hezbollah was militarily on its last legs, the Lebanese government would still do nothing. They wouldn’t want to alienate the Shiite civilian population. They aren’t serious and they never have been.
News and views:
From the Moderate Voice:
http://www.themoderatevoice.com/posts/1152974570.shtml
July 15th, 2006 at 6:36 pm
dude, rock on
July 15th, 2006 at 6:42 pm
Love it when, you’re so pissed off, SM …you start spelling with an Egyptian accent
July 15th, 2006 at 7:08 pm
SM,
I think you’re absolutely correct. Aside from Israel trying to get at Hezbollah, they are actinng in a punishing mode in Lebanon which can turn most of Lebanese into Hezbollah cheerleaders. But I think the strike on Syria is not so far away. I made a short post about it last night.
July 15th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
Dear SM,
YOU FUCKING MORON!
You are the one that always tells that it is the arabs who have to clean up their own house and now you blame Israel? If Lebanese are such pussies, then they are getting what they deserve for their cowardness and inaction. You have to understand that people in Israel, people in Europe, people in US are tired of sorting out who are the good arabs (muslims) and who are the bad ones. I fear that from now on the prevailing policy will be – kill them all, let the God sort them out.
July 15th, 2006 at 7:27 pm
Pheras
I think that all this is part of a plan to finally destroy Hizbouallah in Lebanon
Yes. Hezbollah must die. Hezbollah decalred war on the US in 1983. Hezbollah must be destroyed. We are at war on terrorsist, and Al Qaeda and Hezbollah are the two primary targets in that war.
in order to spread American and UN forces in Lebanon
No. US troops will never be in Lebanon again, if I have anything to say about it. And I do. As far as UN troops in Lebanon, I couldn’t care less about that, as long as they aren’t AMERICAN troops. We need all of our troops for other things, right now.
But really, if UN troops are to go anywhere, they should go to Darfur anyway. Not Lebanon. By the way, I see the Lebanese government seems to be calling for peacekeepers as of today? The last time peacekeepers went to Lebanon, Hezbollah murdered over 300 of them in the world’s first suicide bombings. I hope UN member nations think twice about deploying peacekeepers in an area wher Hezbollah is active. There can be no peace in Lebanon as long as Hezbollah exists.
and finally surround Syria from all borders to eventually contain it
Contain it? Syria is a non issue for the US. Iran is the issue. Israel is perfectly capable of “containing” Syria, and I expect that they will, at some point in the near future. Israel takes care of Syria, the US takes care of Iran.
It’s a win/win. The only loser is is the Islamic Republic of Iran.
It’s interesting that Iran has played right into America’s hands. I thought Iranians were supposed to be pretty smart? They couldn’t have been more foolish. I think they have gravely miscalculated, and it will cost them their lives.
since obviously Israel didn’t get the job right at shutting up Syria.
Give it some time. Syria’s fate is not yet known.
Also American forces have been dying to enter Israel, the whole Intifada was created to serve this purpose, Americans wanted to spread their forces in Jerusalem.
No idea where this fantasy scenario comes from. Did you hear that on Al Jazeera or something? I can’t even plug that idea in, anywhere. Does not compute. Why would the US have any interest whatsoever in trying to contain Palestinian terrorism? Don’t you think we’ve got enough else to do?
And why on earth do you think America wants to “control” Jerusalem? Do you think we are Crusaders? Well, even if we *were* Crsuaders, the Crusades weer to free the Holy Land from the muslims, who were considered evil incarnate. Having the Jews in control of Jerusalem would be perfectly acceptable to Crusaders. Judaism is part of Christianity, after all, and Jerusalem has never been the “capital” of Christianity, it’s always been the holy city of Judaism.
This is where the Americans might get it right, and spread their forces, and establish their bases in Lebanon and North Israel.
No idea why you think we need bases in either Lebanon *or* Israel. And certainly not both, that’s silly. We have plenty of bases in the Mediterannean area already. The need for bases was in the region of the Persian Gulf. Not on the Med. If the US wanted to topple Asad, we could invade across land from Anbar province in Iraq, and get that job done within a week or two. We may just do that, actually, and then you will know the truth
July 15th, 2006 at 7:28 pm
You know what’s really, really unfortunate? That Moshe Dayan and Anwar Sadat aren’t around to figure all this out and kick some pants. Two smart, courageous, charismatic, and (dare I say it about guys) handsome warriors who knew how to make peace with each other and did so.
July 15th, 2006 at 7:34 pm
Damn dude, I got a LOT more respect for you being critical of both sides.
Hats off to you buddy.
July 15th, 2006 at 7:38 pm
Well, If i may, you’ve got a point. But you tend to oversimplify the whole situation.
Israel targeted those installations because they posed a threat to us. Be these the Radars that helped hit the Israeli battleship off the coast of Beirut, or the airport runways that could have been used for bringing in even more arms and logistics.
The political reality in Lebanon is far more intriquite than you tend to visualise. But all of lebanon are united in one cause - hating Israel. Some might even have rightful reasons for doing so, but don’t fool yourself about the overwhelming mindset. Whether it’s the Christians or The Sunnis or even thr Druz ( let alonr Shiite) - all are loving to hate israel. No metter how dangerous they percieve the Hezbollah to be, none of them will accept Israeli rull or support any military actions carried out by the IDF against Hizbullah.
And as for the other commnters, here goes:
N1. I seriously doubt whether Syria is next. Too much is at stake here for Israel to be making reckless moves like that. I believe Israel wil stick to symbolic acts of persuasion such as it did when its aircraft hovered above Asad’s palace in Damascus.
N3. dude, are you for real?!!… I mean it’s nice to go believing every conspiracy crap one comes up with, but this empirialistic mambo jambo is hilarious to say the least… Following your logic, America is suicidal.
N7. very well put
N12. the notorious arabic media strike again. Whether this is true remains to be seen, as so many “massacres” have been staged by Pallywod and their counterparts, they kind of lost credence, to say the least.
Even if this turns out to be true, it is apparent that in all the years of its existance israel has never delibirately targeted civilians.
N14. right. the ruthless jews are at it again - craving for the blood of young arabs. On the other hand, it’s not surprising considering you probably get your news from Al-Jazeera…
July 15th, 2006 at 7:44 pm
It is about laziness. If the IDF only cleaned up the terrorists and their sponsors it would have left the Lebanese to lazy around the next time, and the next time, and the next time while terrorists run around, up and down their stairs, with rockets in hand.
Hey elderly woman, next time that happens put your foot out so that he trips and falls, then hit him over the head with a pot or something. And little kid, the next time your hangin’ out and see Mr. Terrorists run by with his buddies, follow them and when they aren’t looking, steal their rocket thingy. And father, I know you fear many things but put that aside and work for a greater good. Insist on law and order. And lead by example. Stop being corrupt. Stop stealing. Stop undercutting the law. Impress upon those around you the need to be straight-up. Don’t grow weary in well-doing. Build. Nurture. Create an atmosphere of trust. Venture down the difficult path. Rein in the warmonger, the hater. Your life is pointless otherwise. Don’t be lazy, build Love. If you don’t, then whatever you do build will be torn down again, and again, and again…
July 15th, 2006 at 7:46 pm
We know Iran doesn’t have nukes yet,because they’d have taken Iraq already. If anyone thinks 138,000 U.S. soldiers ( 75% of which are supply clerks,cooks and what not) can stop them,I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
When Iran DOES take Iraq,and absorbs Syria as well,Israel will be the last line of defense for the Sunni Arab world. Ironic eh?
July 15th, 2006 at 7:47 pm
European Jews aresimilar to European Americans in their bloody mentality and their strive for vengeance and destruction. I do not think there is any difference between fascist white supramecists and fascist Jews, who identified with their European oppressors. it is realy sick to see how fucken Bush, fucken Olmert and fucken Nasrallah are playing with fire
July 15th, 2006 at 7:47 pm
whats so hard to understand? lebanon attacked israel. israel responded. There is nothing that israel can do to make muslims not hate it. nothing. It is better to be feared.
July 15th, 2006 at 7:58 pm
European Jews aresimilar to European Americans in their bloody mentality and their strive for vengeance and destruction.
Yes, we should be more like Arabs, all peaceful and shit, I’m sure!
“I’ve been humiliated! Somebody must die!!”
“Face” is pretty important to Chinese too. Somehow, though, they don’t try to regain their dignity by killing people. They seem to think that would result in even greater loss of prestige. I like the Chinese way better.
July 15th, 2006 at 8:00 pm
Maged, nice to see you learned all about the Jews from al-manar. Ever actually meet a real one in the flesh?
July 15th, 2006 at 8:01 pm
> Dear IDF,
> YOU ARE FUCKIN MORONS!
When - silly puppet - will you understand, that you the wannabe
“extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled
sandmonkey” are simply yet another arab untermensch from the
master race point of view?
Heydrich, Bormann and Eichmann were reborn in Israel, thus
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2871/232/400/20060408-180512-5.26.jpg
The Sinai belongs to the master race!
July 15th, 2006 at 8:02 pm
SM - You’re missing the point. Don’t you know the cliche that war is a continuation of politics by other means? The IDF is attacking Lebanon because they’re trying to play by the int’l rules. They suffered an attack from the territory of a sovereign state, so they’re obeying the relevent int’l rules and responding by attacking that state. The int’l system works this way, fair or not.
What the IDF is seeking (among other things) is an end to Hezbollah, presently camped out on Lebanese territory. Who in the world can take care of such a thing? Should the IDF bomb Syria until they agree to re-occupy Lebanon and finish Hezbollah themselves? Not only would that be idiotic, it’s not how it works. Under int’l rules, it’s Lebanon’s job to guard its territory.
The rules have always worked against Israel, but it’s trying to follow them anyway, because this makes its action prima facie legitimate. I don’t get why you don’t understand that.
July 15th, 2006 at 8:04 pm
And ask them for their matzah recipes - especially those
made with the blood of arab children and babies.
July 15th, 2006 at 8:07 pm
To those of you who are insane and nurse bizarre & sick conspiracy fantasies: Please, wake up. You’re getting nowhere, and you’re primarily hurting yourselves.
July 15th, 2006 at 8:15 pm
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2871/232/1600/20060408-180512-5.30.jpg
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July 15th, 2006 at 8:17 pm
Been reading a lot of blogs since Wednesday, and here’s what I think I’ve learned from this episode:
1.) People feel their own pain (and the pain of their families/religious group/countrymen) far more than they feel the pain of others.
2.) However, that doesn’t stop them from expecting the other to feel their pain, too. And if the other doesn’t feel their pain, that just proves that the other is evil.
3.) The further away from a conflict a person is, the louder they cry out for war and destruction
4.) When in doubt, blame the U.S.
July 15th, 2006 at 8:18 pm
SM, The Lebanese don’t want another civil war and are incapable of fighting Hizbullah. It’s easier for them to blame Israel.
If the Lebanese are incapable of controlling Hizbullah, then Israel will do it for them.
July 15th, 2006 at 8:24 pm
This is my first time posting here. I’ve just lurked since I found SM mentioned at Michael Totten’s blog. Anyway, I just saw this at “Jpost” and thought I’d post it here:
Jul. 15, 2006 22:17
IDF warns Lebanon not to fire at army
By YAAKOV KATZ
A day after the Lebanese army fired at an Israeli AIRCRAFT on FRIDAY, the IDF sent a severe warning to the Lebanese army.
The warning stated that Israel had thus far refrained from firing at Lebanese army positions, but should the Lebanese army continue firing at the IDF, the situation would change.
The aircraft was not damaged in the incident.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150886008775&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
July 15th, 2006 at 8:30 pm
> The aircraft was not damaged in the incident.
Crying with the scum of the earth.
July 15th, 2006 at 8:36 pm
someone notify the warden that eee got out of his cage.
July 15th, 2006 at 9:11 pm
heh. Pheras you are all kinds of crazy.
“We know Iran doesn’t have nukes yet,because they’d have taken Iraq already. If anyone thinks 138,000 U.S. soldiers ( 75% of which are supply clerks,cooks and what not) can stop them,I’ve got a bridge to sell you.”
You don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s okay if you are totally wrong, but it’s probably not smart to add snarky comments “wanna buy a bridge” at the end of it.
July 15th, 2006 at 9:14 pm
Cedar tree, or skull and crossbones?
I am fascinated by the perspective we are seeing through sites like: The Lebanese Bloggers Sandmonkey Big Pharaoh There’s been some refreshing self-analysis and reflection happing there which you won’t see in the propaganda-laden Arab media like Al-J…
July 15th, 2006 at 9:28 pm
The essence of the master race is: Kill arab civilians!
Israeli attack kills 20 fleeing civilians
http://euronews.net/create_html.php?page=detail_info&article=369591&lng=1
That’s the reason why Israel needs to be removed from time and
space, their leading war criminals - and their puppets or puppe-
teers in amnesia - to be indicted referring to Nurembergs laws.
Israel - an insult to mankind and maybe to judaism too.
July 15th, 2006 at 9:40 pm
Sandmonkey you are a life example of a RETARD, it’s taking you sooo long to realize the obvious. was it so hard to see that’s Israel is after destroying Lebanon as a country!!!!!!!!!
July 15th, 2006 at 9:43 pm
eee,
Since you despise the west and Israel so much, why are you in Florida?
Libyan trash!
July 15th, 2006 at 9:48 pm
Noooo Accchhhhmad. Israel wants the Lebanese, ie Hezbollah, to leave them alone. If they hit them hard enough now, maybe it will take a few more years before the Lebanese (Hezbollah) attack them again.
July 15th, 2006 at 9:49 pm
Ahmed, Prophet Mohammed was also an example of a RETARD:
He was a child molester (married Aisha when she was 6 years old)
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/extreme_mohammed/
July 15th, 2006 at 9:52 pm
IDF is very concerned about the safety of its personal (read coward). So they prefer the futile use of disproportionate forces to kill scores of civilians than to go in land operations to get some important guys in hizbollahs command and seriously damage its ability to operate. It is the same mentality that drops 500 lb bombs from an F 16 on a residential area in a futile attempts to kill one person and instead kill 7 children and their parents. The mighty IDF is too wise ( read coward) to go and get the bad guys responsible for attacks against Israel. They would rather go and drop some bombs. Anyway their smart media specialists will invent a justification for whatever the outcome is.
July 15th, 2006 at 9:53 pm
SM,
As a die-hard Zionist military hawk and terrorist-hating bastard…
…I can only agree.
Up to a point.
I too see this as a lost opportunity, or one which perhaps isn’t completely lost yet. But the IDF better move fast. I had a wish when this started, that they would take those Free-Lebanese troops which were offered and move with them into Southern Lebanon, as well as drop leaflets like they did but also stating that they would help to rebuild a Free Lebanon without Hezzbollah, and that the only occupying force would be that of a Lebanese army which came to restore the peace and kick out the terrorists.
Seriously, they need to move on this. I don’t, however, blame them for bombing the airport and radar stations or even the supply routes. These are Hezzbollah supply chains and they have to do that to immobilize the Hezzbollah. But the IDF should be clear as to what their intent is. Right now, they say they are punishing Lebanon, which is the wrong statement to make. They should really state what I have hoped for: they are bombing Hezzbollah supply chains and trying to kick their ass so as to help Lebanon rebuild in a better way.
I know it sounds simplistic, and many other pro-Israelis will see this as a “betrayal”, maybe, but the army should learn from their mistake in the past. They should act as if they are coming to help the people of Lebanon, even if their actions will hurt for a while. Perhaps, however, they will do so in the near future.
I do not, again, fault Israel for acting the way it does. I just fault it for having a terrible PR department, which has never changed, and which really is due for a major overhaul. Like now.
For the other pro-Israeli commenters, please note that I am on your side. I just want Israel to be more clear about what the intent is, and how to achieve it without pissing off every single Lebanese around. There are Lebanese in Lebanon right now, and outside of Lebanon, which support this move. But I’m fairly sure they want to hear this as well, because they would feel a lot more encouraged if they did. Please keep in mind that some of these guys ARE our allies - in a very big way. They could be our best friends if given a chance.
July 15th, 2006 at 9:57 pm
Amgad, just admit that no matter what the IDF do you are going to say it is cowardly. They did exactly what you suggested in Jenin, the suicide bomber capital, lost about 20 troops and killed 50 militants and were accused of a massacre, a genocide, a holocaust!!! Durka durka mohammad jihad!!! Since they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t, might as well send in the F-16s and keep their boys safe.
July 15th, 2006 at 9:58 pm
ahmad says: Israel is after destroying Lebanon as a country!!!!!!!!!
you are so right… Israel is trying to take over the world too..
Don’t let the peaceful arab nations fall this one.
It’s so nice to be reminded of the voice of arabic and muslim reason….
July 15th, 2006 at 10:28 pm
That eee is one strange and fucked up dude. I’m starting to look fof his posts so I can feel better about myself.
July 15th, 2006 at 10:28 pm
> Libyan trash!
Someone should murder your whole family - the israeli style.
Not for revenge - I’m not jewish - just as a lesson, for - fascists
understand only one language - that of violence.
July 15th, 2006 at 10:48 pm
Yes, Amgad, the IDF is notoriously afraid to fight muslim warriors. Unlike the mighty Hezbollah, who fire rcokets randomely at Israel cities from 30 miles away, whilst hiding in some old ladies back yard, and waiting for Al Jazeera to defeat Isarel in the world media.
Cocksucker.
Send Hezbollah out to fight on the battlefield with the IDF, face to face. Show us how bravely they achieve their martyrdom. This could all be over in a few days, if Hezbollah would engage openly in the war they began. WIth a minimum of collateral damge. But you know, and I know, that this is the LAST thing Hezbollah would ever do.
July 15th, 2006 at 10:49 pm
eee, I mean Salem, You’ll end up in Gitmo very soon. Libyan shit!
July 15th, 2006 at 10:51 pm
Dear nothing,
you need to get you’re facts straight too about mother Aisha.
July 15th, 2006 at 10:57 pm
Former IDF ,
I’m sorry but when i see one nation bombing other nations infra structure, that’s doesn’t seem as a peaceful nation to me, despite they claim so.
July 15th, 2006 at 11:01 pm
The first military action was the attack on an Israeli military base killing 8 Israeli soldiers and capturing 2 in a land operation. Then Israel replied by bombing bridges, airports and residential areas killing 82 civilians then Hizbollah retaliated by bombing residential areas killing 4 civilians.
So which part resorted to the air, shelling from a distance and random bombing after being disgraced in a land operation asshole.
July 15th, 2006 at 11:01 pm
the previous one was for craig
July 15th, 2006 at 11:14 pm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm
The thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people. It is difficult to accept that the Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old.
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated ‘Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated ‘Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated ‘Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
GOOD TO SEE MUSLIMS DENY THE ISLAMIC SCRIPTS AND SHOW THAT THEY ARE NOTHING BUT TERRORISTS!
July 15th, 2006 at 11:21 pm
“How would Egyptians react to Hezbollah sinking an Egyptian ship, if only by mistake?”
Well, this pissed off Egyptian for one would like to see Hezbollah irreparably dismantled and sent to rot in hell. This pissed off Egyptian is royally tired of watching Egypt getting involved willingly or unwillingly in conflicts which other people create in order to sacrifice more Egyptian lives. This pissed off Egyptian constantly fights back episodes of violent vomiting whenever she accidentally turns on the TV only to find an Islamo-fascist demagogue like Nasrallah spewing his venomous, Nazi-like rhetoric. This pissed off Egyptian curses the day the Arabo-fascist Nasser took over her country, destroying its civil society, its freedoms, its democracy, its multi-cultural/multi-religious diversity, and bastardizing and corrupting Egyptian culture with macabre notions of Arab nationalism, militarism and fundamentalism. This pissed off Egyptian is brought to the brink of apocalyptic rage when her people regularly at the hands of Arabs get humiliated, treated like 2rd class citizens, exploited, kidnapped, beheaded, murdered while vacationing; when her people are sold as virtual sex slaves to rich Gulf bastards, and when they come back from Arab countries dead in their coffins every time the Arabs get their “serwals” in a bunch and decide to have one of their until-the-last-Egyptian soldier jihads–all the while many of her people continue to be duped into supporting the cause of Arab nationalism and Islamism; their disgusting wars; their hopelessly unsalvageable ignorance, dictatorship, oppression, conspiratorial demagoguery; continue to support Arab expansionism, imperialism, and colonialism like Syria’s invasion and colonization of Lebanon; Iraq’s invasion and colonization of Kuwait and Kurdistan; North Sudan’s invasion and colonization of Darfur and South Sudan; and of course the continued destruction and near annihilation of the indigenous cultures of those lands; etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. This pissed off Egyptian is especially and colossally sick of hearing Arabs and their rabid spokespersons in the West bitch and moan about Palestine, and their little lost dignity, and friggin’ Zionism, when they are by the far the worst offenders in most ME conflicts, having committed atrocities far worse and more numerous, and continue to, than anything Israel has ever done. This pissed off Egyptian would like to see Arabs grow up, stop acting like spoiled little brats and join the civilized modern world if they don’t want their tushes constantly kicked by the same people they despise. This very pissed off Egyptian wants Egypt to be FREE of all of those things then be left THE HELL ALONE!!
July 15th, 2006 at 11:28 pm
> You’ll end up in Gitmo very soon.
Gonna meet you and your filth in hell.
Of course you will be in a better position than
me - for you will also make the devil to work
for you too…
July 15th, 2006 at 11:40 pm
> Send Hezbollah out to fight on the battlefield with the IDF, face to face.
Watch the audacity of the amnesian master race!
Equipped with everything from 15.000 nukes to eight mayor
carrier-groups - they want the natives “face to face”!?
I don’t think that they are that moronic.
But - they will happily remember the 23. October 1983, remem-
ber the smell of the burned flesh of 241 dead amnesian marines.
July 15th, 2006 at 11:46 pm
Noufa - wow. I can’t imagine what it’s like to live in a country that *was* considered civilized eons ago. Americans see your pyramids as tourist attractions. You must see them as a constant reminder of what you’ve lost. I can’t understand the depth of your outrage because I have no way to understand it, but I can certainly see it and wish you the best of luck restoring Egypt as a center of art, science, and literature. I’d love to be able to feel safe visiting Egypt one day, and seeing in person all those great Egyptian women that SM posts. Make love, not jihad.
July 15th, 2006 at 11:48 pm
Dear Noufa, your post nearly brought this reader to tears, as if to try to put out the fire. A focused, clear flame like acetylene, not like ridiculous flaming endured to get to this! Please, Noufa, take care of yourself and try not to eat yourself alive, for heaven’s sake.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:25 am
nothing,
Please read this and try to educate yourself, it’s a bit long i apologize for this.
The marriage of the Prophet Muhammad [May the Peace and Blessings of God be upon him] to ‘Aishah bint Abu Bakr when she was at quite a young age has been the focus of quite a bit of criticism in the West. Unfortunately, in this Neo-Colonialist Age of smart bombs, MTV, CNN and the Big Mac, some of those who profess to be Muslims have themselves become critics. Many Muslims, faced with the juggernaut of allegedly “universal” Western liberal values that have permeated almost everyone around them, sheepishly avoid discussion of such “embarrassing” Islamic issues. It is a keenly true observation that even though the European powers have pulled their colonial armies out of Muslim lands and granted them “independence”, an even worse plague continues. This curse is “Colonialism of the Mind” and it is more dangerous since it is much more subtle. Insha’llah, this article will be a contribution to making both Muslims and non-Muslims aware of not only the objective facts regarding the Prophet’s marriage to ‘Aishah, but how to understand it in light of Islam and life in the “modern” world.
Regrettably, for those of us trying to spread the truth of Islam in the West, we often have to agree with the Orientalist W. Montgomery Watt when he wrote: “Of all the world’s great men none has been so much maligned as Muhammad.”1 But here, for a change, were are dealing with something that is an authentic part of Islamic history, not an apocryphal or fabricated event that Westerners have been duped into believing is authentic, such as the so-called “Satanic Verses” incident. That a man in his fifties would marry such a young girl—especially a man who is supposed to be a living example of piety—is not only difficult for many “modern” Westerners to come to terms with, but it has even gone so far as to stir up disgusting “sexual misconduct” charges amongst them. In the face of such criticism, Muslims have not always reacted well. In the past century, when so many Muslims were so “Westoxicated” and ready to monkey Europeans in almost anything, the usual reaction was to deny the sources that reported the alleged “embarrassing problem”. To Muslim “modernists”, who argued that ONLY a legal ruling found in the Qur’an was Islamically valid, brushing aside this aspect of the Prophet’s life was rather easy. They simply denied that it had occurred and attacked the sources which reported it. Fortunately for Muslims, the apologetics of these “Uncle Toms of Islam” has faded into the periphery to a large extent. However, there are still many Muslims out there who try to get around what they see as a problem by ignoring authentic Islamic sources while claiming to be followers of the Ahl as-Sunnah. (which basically means “orthodox Sunni” Muslims, for those unfamiliar Islamic terminology). Many other Muslims possibly wonder whether the story is authentic and how to understand it if it is.
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THE ISLAMIC EVIDENCE OF ‘AISHAH’S AGE
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Due to the apparent ignorance of many Muslims, possibly due to reading “modernist” apologetic literature like that mentioned above, a look at what the authentic sources of Islam say about the age at which ‘Aishah married the Prophetis in order. This way, before we move on to an analysis of the facts, we will first establish what the authentic Islamic facts are. At this point, it should be mentioned that it is absolutely pointless from an Islamic standpoint to say that the age of ‘Aishah is “not found in the Qur’an”, since the textual sources of Islam are made up of BOTH the Qur’an and the Sunnah - and the Qur’an tells us that. For those wanting (or needing) to learn more about the status of the Sunnah in Islam, please read An Introduction to the Sunnah and/or The Sunnah and Its Position in Islamic Law. Now in regards to what the authentic Islamic sources actually say, it may come as a disappointment to some “modern” and “cultured” Muslims that there are four ahadith in Saheeh al-Bukhari and three ahadith in Saheeh Muslim which clearly state that ‘Aishah was “nine years old” at the time that her marriage was consummated with the Prophet. These ahadith, with only slight variation, read as follows:
‘Aishah, may God be pleased with her, narrated that the Prophet was betrothed (zawaj) to her when she was six years old and he consummated (nikah) his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years. (Saheeh al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64)
Of the four ahadith in Saheeh al-Bukhari, two were narrated from ‘Aishah (7:64 and 7:65), one from Abu Hishaam (5:236) and one via ‘Ursa (7:88). All three of the ahadith in Saheeh Muslim have ‘Aishah as a narrator. Additionally, all of the ahadith in both books agree that the marriage betrothal contract took place when ‘Aishah was “six years old”, but was not consummated until she was “nine years old”. Additionally, a hadeeth with basically the same text (matn) is reported in Sunan Abu Dawood. Needless to say, this evidence is—Islamically speaking—overwhelmingly strong and Muslims who deny it do so only by sacrificing their intellectual honesty, pure faith or both.
This evidence having been established, there doesn’t seem much room for debate about ‘Aishah’s age amongst believing Muslims. Until someone proves that in the Arabic language “nine years old” means something other than “nine years old”, then we should all be firm in our belief that she was “nine years old” (as if there’s a reason or need to believe otherwise!?!). In spite of these facts, there are still some Muslim authors that have somehow (?) managed to push ‘Aishah’s age out to as far as “fourteen or fifteen years old” at the time of her marriage to the Prophet. It should come as no surprise, however, that none of them ever offer any proof, evidence or references for their opinions. This can be said with the utmost confidence, since certainly none of them can produce sources more authentic than the hadeeth collections of Imams al-Bukhari and Muslim! Based on the research that I’ve done, I feel that there is a common source for those who claim that ‘Aishah’s age was “fourteen or fifteen years old” at the time of the marriage. This source is “The Biographies of Prominent Muslims” which is published in book form, on CD-ROM and is posted in several places on the Internet. Just another example of why going to the sources is important . . .
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THE PROPHET’S MARRIAGES IN PERSPECTIVE
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To put all of this in perspective—hopefully without undue apologetics—the first thing that one should be aware of is that ‘Aishah was the third wife of the Prophet, not the first. Prior to this, the Prophet’s first and only wife for twenty-four years was Khadijah bint al-Khuwaylid, who was about nineteen years older than him. He married Khadijah when she was forty and he was twenty-one—which might be called the years of a male’s “sexual prime”—and stayed married ONLY to her until her death. Just after Khadijah’s death, when he was round forty-six years old, the Prophet married his second wife Sawdah bint Zam’ah. It was after this second marriage that the Prophet became betrothed to ‘Aishah, may God be pleased with her. She was the daughter of Abu Bakr, one of the Prophet’s closest friends and devoted followers. Abu Bakr, may God be pleased with him, was one of the earliest converts to Islam and hoped to solidify the deep love that existed between himself and the Prophet by uniting their families in marriage. The betrothal of Abu Bakr’s daughter ‘Aishah to Muhammad, took place in the eleventh year of Muhammad’s prophethood, which was about a year after he had married Sawdah bint Zam’ah and before he made his hijra (migration) to al-Madinah (Yathrib). As mentioned above, the marriage with ‘Aishah bint Abu Bakr was consummated in Shawwal, which came seven months after the Prophet’s hijra from Makkah to al-Medinah. At the time of his marriage to ”Aishah, the Prophet was over fifty years old.
It should be noted that the Prophet’s marriage to ‘Aishah was an exceedingly happy one for both parties, as the hadeeth literature attests. ‘Aishah, may God be please with her,was his favourite wife and the only virgin that he ever married. After emigrating to al-Madinah, Muhammad married numerous other wives, eventually totalling fifteen in his lifetime. Even though we do not have time to go into the details of each one of them here, each of these marriages was done either for political reasons, to strengthen the ties of kinship or to help a woman in need. Quite a few of the wives were widows, older women or had been abandoned and thus were in need of a home. Additionally, it should be mentioned that the same collection of Muslim hadeeth literature that tells us that ‘Aishah was only nine years old at the time of the marriage tells us that the marriage was Divinely ordained: Narrated ‘Aishah, may God be pleased with her: The Messenger of God said (to me): “You have been shown to me twice in (my) dreams. A man was carrying you in a silken cloth and said to me, ‘This is your wife.’ I uncovered it; and behold, it was you. I said to myself, ‘If this dream is from God, He will cause it to come true.’” (Saheeh Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 15) Thus like everything that the Prophet did, there was wisdom behind it and lessons to be learned from it. The wisdom behind such incidents provides us guidance on the basis of human morality, exposes the double standards of misguided hypocrites from other religions that criticize Islam and much more. But more on that subject below. . .
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CRITICISM ADDRESSED AND ENTERTAINED
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Myself and many other Muslims should no longer be surprised by the double standards that Christians display when they criticize the conduct of Prophet Muhammad , since we’ve heard it for so long. To have an atheist, agnostic—or anyone else who does not believe in a Divinely revealed basis for morality—criticize something that is “politically incorrect” by today’s moral standards comes as no surprise. Such people will always find something to criticize, since they simply have a bone to pick with “religion” in general. All of this “absolute morality” talk gets in the way of them having a good time, so they want to mock it, discredit it and do away with it.The criticism of Christians, however, is another matter. While it is true that Christians speak out against the “moral relativity” which is spreading amongst the increasingly secular society today, they too are unconscious victims of it. The values of most Christians today come from the humanist values of Western Europe (or, at a minimum, are heavily influenced by them). Their values DO NOT come straight out of the Bible—in theory or in practice—regardless of what they may claim. That Christians today try to take credit for the so-called “Freedom”, “Human Rights”, “Democracy” and “Women’s Rights” in Europe and America is nothing short of a joke. It may impress uneducated people in so-called Third World countries, but anyone who has studied history knows that these things came about in spite of the Church, not because of it. The way in which many Christians uncritically mix non-Christian values with (allegedly) Biblical values has always fascinated me. One interesting example of this is how nationalism and patriotism are supported amongst the majority of Evangelical Protestant (and even other) Christians in the United States. In America, good Christians are flag wavers. Few, if any, of these fiercely patriotic minds ever seem to realize that narrow-minded patriotism is, at its core, both selfish and non-universal. That patriotism and Christianity go hand-in-hand in the minds of many people is just an example of how we can be blindly sucked into “moral relativism” without even realizing it.
According to Judaism, Christianity and Islam, right and wrong are ordained by Almighty God. As such, morality does not change over time based on our whims, desires or cultural sensitivities. In cultures where there is no Divinely revealed ruling on an issue, what is right and what is wrong is determined by cultural norms. In such cases, a person would only be considered “immoral” if they violated the accepted norms of their society. As we will demonstrate, the Prophet Muhammad’s marriage to ‘Aishah, viewed both in the light of Absolute Morality and the cultural norms of his time, was not an immoral act, but was an act containing valuable lessons for generations to come. Additionally, this marriage followed the norms for all Semitic peoples, including those of Biblical times. Based on this, and other information that we will provide below, it is grossly hypocritical for Christians to criticise the Prophet’s marriage to ‘Aishah at such a young age. In case Christian readers are under the false impression that their values today are timeless and somehow reflect those of Biblical times, please consider the following points which are directly related to the question of at what age a person is properly ready to be married:
•Keeping in mind the ideas of “political correctness” and “absolute morality”, in Biblical times the age at which a girl could marry was puberty. However, during the Middle Ages it was usually twelve years old. Now in most “Christian” countries it is between fourteen and sixteen years old. I live in country where some states allow partners of the same sex to legally marry, but consider an eighteen year old boy who sleeps with a sixteen year old girl a “statutory rapist”. So even though Christians might disagree with much of what is becoming all too prevalent in Western society today—whether it be drug abuse, gay marriages or abortion—they too have been swallowed up (possibly unknowingly) by the ugly monster of “moral relativism”. Certainly, they might be giving in less quickly than people who do not believe in a Divine basis for morality, but they’re giving in nonetheless.
•Historically, the age at which a girl was considered ready to be married has been puberty. This was the case in Biblical times, as we will discuss below, and is still used to determine the age of marriage in what the culturally arrogant West calls “primitive societies” throughout the world. As the ahadith about ‘Aishah’s age show, her betrothal took place at least three years before the consummation of the marriage. The reason for this was that the