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The making of a Terrorist

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C.H. Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 12:34 pm
Thanks. I did read it.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of unstable people in the world.
Miss R Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 1:35 pm
Sand Monkey:

I believe that there’s an equal case to be made that, in time, the Lebanese will be quite grateful to Israel for disarming Hezbollah - if that is what Israel is able to accomplish.

If Israel does a half assed job at it, then all that happens is Lebanon is blown to pieces, and Hezbollah remains armed. This makes the situation exponentially more dangerous than it was two weeks ago.

Israel must succeed 100%.
Chip Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 1:36 pm
Another lefty becoming a terrorist? That’s not really news at this point.
Kranky Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 1:37 pm
Some thoughts.

First, if his family knew he were gay, they would rip him to shreds. Homosexuality is not well tolerated by his culture/religion.

Second, he talks in anguish and anger about blown up children, and things “senselessly” destroyed, about lives ripped appart.

SM, he just showed us that there is common ground.

We don’t like to see busses exploded from within. We don’t like to see body parts strewn across streets. We don’t take pictures of this gruesome act of inhuman violence, perpetrated upon us constantly since the early 90s, and post them on groups and boards.

We both believe this to be wrong. We both believe this needs to stop.

Therein lies our common ground.

Now here is how we differ. He is willing to support the bloodthirsty schmucks who got Lebanon into this mess in the first place, and who *DIRECTLY* support the bloodthirsty schmucks who do this to us.

We simply want the killing to end. But we are neither stupid nor suicidal, and we know perfectly well that there are lots of outraged and incensed schmucks who will happily try to collect their 72 raisins/virgins/volvos. We are going to live in peace. If this means at peace with our neighbors, then so be it. If it means occasionally sending many of the schmucks to meet their maker because they violate our sovereignty, threaten us, rain thousands of missles down upon us, then so be it.

We all have choices to make SM, all of us. We chose to live in peace. Many choose to try to upset that peace. Many more choose to try to whack us. We are going to fight back.

If there is a way to exploit the common ground to lower the conflict to one of harsh political words over latte’s in real cafe’s (not Starbucks, please), we can live with that. We do that amongst ourselves, without needing/resorting to violence.
Noor Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 1:41 pm
C. H, You are the one who is unstable, to see such brutality and fee nothing!!
I’ve never ever thought that one day I will experience the same emotions/feelings the writer described, but I do now. I’m very angry;
I lost faith in the world and humanity and don’t care anymore…
RM Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 2:11 pm
It’s horrendous. And yeah Noor, you’re right about CH. Only a complete and utter psycho could see such brutality and feel nothing, or even worse, continue to believe that Israel is defending itself.
Sean Shalor Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 2:31 pm
Many of us, civilians in wars, soldiers on battlefields, unwitting participants in terrorist attacks, victims of crime and so … have suffered horrific and traumatising experiences. Some are destroyed utterly and none (I’d guess) survive unscathed. We and they have to give and receive help. We and they cannot for a moment accept that they have a reason to duplicate their experience with someone else as a victim. The hardest thing is to sublimate one’s desire for vengeance, otherwise civilisation is gone in a wisp.

And that applies not just to individuals, but to cultures.
The making of a Terrorist Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 2:45 pm
http://fromisraeltolebanon.info
Andrew Brehm Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 2:47 pm
“Only a complete and utter psycho could see such brutality and feel nothing, or even worse, continue to believe that Israel is defending itself.”

Only psychos seem to believe that Israel has a right to defend itself.

Which other country defends itself without harming enemy civilians?
Sean Shalor Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 2:55 pm
Aptly named “The making of a Terrorist ” shows us just how easy it is to agravate the misery and fuel the fire of a harrowing situation by juxtaposing pictures which have a similar subject, but were not actually related.

Such mischief making has the same evil intent as the RPG in a civil market.
Only differenc is that your kind of evil involves few risks.
JordanR Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 3:01 pm
As a Jew and pro-Israeli, it breaks my heart to see so much death and destruction in Lebanon, a country with so much hope.

But….

Does anyone ask why Hizballah puts its missiles in residential communities?

Does anyone ask why Hizballah dresses up like civilians instead of soldiers?

Hizballah hides behind innocent people because they know the unavoidable deaths will turn good people like arch.memory into future terrorists.

And unfortinately, arch.memory reaction proves that Hamas and Hizballah’s strategy works.
Doc Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 3:13 pm
I’m sorry for the loss of innocent people.

But to think that you have any right to strap bombs to yourself and kill people in night clubs, or pizza parlors is wrong. How could you think that you would be any different than those who killed your innocents?

You would become that which you are so angry at, and you would lose all right to sympathy.

Both religions believe in a supreme evil entity, and he would laugh in delight at both gruesome prospects.
Suzanne Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 3:16 pm
# The making of a Terrorist Says:
link

Cheap propaganda
BrooklynJon Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 3:19 pm
Gee, I used to think that Israel has a right to exist, and that Hezbollah’s campaign of violence and incitement to violence was wrong. Now that RM and Noor explained that I have to be unstable and a complete psycho to hold these beliefs, I have become convinced that I was wrong all along. How simple it was. The intellectual power of their argument is irresistable. The only question for me now is, as a Jewish American who supports Israel’s right to live in peace and amity alongside its neighbors, if I can only redeem myself by walking into a gas chamber, or if - since I am Jewish but not Israeli - I am suitable for dhimmi status in an ethnically-cleansed, otherwise Judenhaas “Islamic” country. Please advise, o wise ones. In the meantime, I will avert my eyes and kiss the hem of your garment, if that is what you like.
Sean Shalor Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 3:20 pm
JordanR
You are exactly right.
Sadly that leads to me conclude that those guys just want death for themselves and as many other people as possible - nothing else. That’s all their whole rotten culture seems to be about. When they parade all their gruesome pictures, there is something in me that wants to take them by the throat and demand “But this is what you fools are seeking - your children are dying to fulfill your own macabre fantasies - just stop and live”.
Suzanne Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 3:20 pm
@Making of a Terrorist,

Moreover:
Lisa: “Israeli television doesn’t broadcast them, nor do the newspapers print them. Even when there were suicide bombings in Israel several times a week for months, none of the Israeli media published gory photos of dead or wounded people. It’s a red line in Israel. Do not show dead, bleeding, torn up bodies because the families of the dead will suffer and children will have nightmares. And because it is just in bad taste to use suffering for propaganda purposes.”

not to mention that the story behind the Israeli girls and the shells is somewhat different than how the picture is interpreted.
http://ontheface.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2006/7/20/2142505.html
Gadfly Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 3:50 pm
While I feel the guys pain. I just can’t help but find it a little “two faced.”

Hezbollah lives in his country and kills Israelis. “That’s so sad. I wish they wouldn’t do that.”

The Israelis come into his country to kill Hezbollah. “Well, NOW I’m a terrorist!”

And a new splodeydope is born.
Bqrry Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Noor and RM, nothing in C.H.’s statement indicates that they are indifferent to the suffering of innocent civilians. Demonizing those whose viewpoint you disagree with says more about you than they do about C.H.

The making of a Terrorist

Israelis could just as easily put together a montage showing the death and destruction of their homes, their children…. should they say “thank you” Lebanon?

Both sides have suffered, both sides have inflicted suffering… But Lebanon has, willingly or unwillingly granted Hizbolla sanctuary in their country. I say thier country because I consider Hizbola a creature of Syria and Iran even though they are Lebanese. Ideologically they are a chiild of Iran raised, trained, and equiped by Syria and Iran.

Lebanon is responsible for the conduct of its citizens. Period. By doing nothing to control Hizbolla they are in fact enabling Hizbolla. If that is thier intent so be it. If it is not they (Lebanon’s gov and its people) should take action against Hizbolla. If the task is too great… ask for help, but sitting by while Israel is repeatedly hit by rockets is not acceptable.

Before anyone else says it I am completely aware of the hypocraiy of sitting safely in Canada while people are dying thousands of km away.

I am also aware that the people of Lebanon have suffered for decades, that most only wish to live their lives in peace. They have been the play thing of every would be Dictator in the Middle East.

My point, rambling as it may be, is that it is up to Lebanon to determine its fate. Hizbolla will not change, its politics and policies are determined by others. So… do they support Hizbolla and its ideals or do they oppose them?
nice Jewish Boy Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 6:08 pm
Perhaps the only solution is to tell Assad and his cronies that if they want to stay in power, they eliminate Hez or they get taken out. It’s been posted that unlike Iran, Syria is simply motivated by power and greed. They have no death/martyrdom wish. It’s sort of like the ending in the movie version of The Firm where Cruise (ugh) plays the feds against the Mafia.
BJHoboJams Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 6:18 pm
That page has been TAKEN DOWN (aka offline)

Maybe the “zionist conspiracy” did something LOL
Louise Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 6:40 pm
Damn. The link doesn’t work for me. Can somebody post the URL here, please?
Yael Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 8:29 pm
Link seems to be gone.
Isdor Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 9:09 pm
Very interesting. It exposes the reason why so many terrorists seem to belong to the same culture…. I think it has something to do with rage and inability to take responsibility for your own action or inaction. Having parents who are first cousin doesn’t seem to help either.
tommy Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 9:26 pm
I’d love to see a few French soldiers stationed in Africa or elsewhere wind up kidnapped by a semi-hostile nation. I’d love to see what Chirac’s idea of a “proportionate response” is in response.

I have a feeling it might look surprisingly similar in many ways to the “disproportionate response” of the Israelis.

(Then again, maybe I’m wrong and the French would resort to their historical inclinations and resort to simply begging the terrorists to accept their unconditional surrender as a nation.)

I also have no doubt about what Russia’s response to a similar situation would be. The Russian response would make the Israeli response look very “proportionate” indeed. You only need look at actions against the Chechens to see what kind of proportionality the Russians believe in.

News:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060720/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_nasrallah_1;_ylt=ApnXrdhXDUp8FrWvySJkNJsUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw–

Nasrallah says he is fine. I suspect he may not even be in Lebanon. He could have easily driven to Syria within the first few hours either before or after the kindapping of the two Israeli soldiers.

Maybe Israel should retreat from Lebanon. Let Hezbollah hold one of their big parades in celebration of yet another Hezbollah triumph…..then, out of nowhere, have Israeli aircraft bomb the victory parade, killing hundreds or thousands of Hezbollah members and their supporters.

I know, I know. Such a move would lead to a Strongly Worded Condemnation™ from the Café Annan…

….it was just an idea.
Kate in NYC Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 9:55 pm
Maybe there needs to be an Arab “summer of love.”
Evan Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 10:14 pm
Tommy, didn’t ze French kill about 50 or so civilians in Ivory Coast who were protesting their presence there?
Sheik Hassan Nasrallah Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 10:18 pm
You will all pay for your insolence!
nomad Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 10:30 pm
Tommy, didn’t ze French kill about 50 or so civilians in Ivory Coast who were protesting their presence there?

we do have soldiers like Craig too !

those civilians were hostile and armed with cutkasses

and our soldiers did not destroyed the whole country, just the few military planes
nomad Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 10:41 pm
I’d love to see a few French soldiers stationed in Africa or elsewhere wind up kidnapped by a semi-hostile nation. I’d love to see what Chirac’s idea of a “proportionate response” is in response.

how mean of you, kind of wish ?

I have a feeling it might look surprisingly similar in many ways to the “disproportionate response” of the Israelis.

no ways, our good legionnaires do know how to infiltrate ennemy and get informations

(Then again, maybe I’m wrong and the French would resort to their historical inclinations and resort to simply begging the terrorists to accept their unconditional surrender as a nation.)

yea, don’t you have a headache with your old same refrain ?

make your brain works, and you will be OK man
Evan Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 10:48 pm
Nomad, the Ivory Coast claims the French killed 60 civilians while the civilians were protesting. 60 people for protesting?!? How many would that work out to if there were terrorists indiscriminately firing rockets at France and crossing your border and killing and kidnapping your soldiers? People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. If you want to make excuses for the French military, then be my guest. Just understand that it makes you a gigantic hypocrite.
nomad Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 10:58 pm
those protesting people by the way were looting and abused white women too !

and militaries who were proven to have overpass their orders
got a punishment

who are you to give a lesson in hypocrisy

go fuck yourself !
infidel Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 10:59 pm
ISLAM is what makes terrorists.
It’s all in the Koran:

8:12. (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, “Verily, I
am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror
into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.”

9:29: Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh…

8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will
all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world…

8:67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land….
BrooklynJon Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 11:12 pm
Nomad “those protesting people by the way were looting and abused white women too ! ”

Is that AFP’s line? How rich!
France UNILATERALLY sent troops down, WITHOUT A MANDATE BY THE UN, shot at civiilians who were protesting peacefully against the French troops who were occupying their country (it’s on videotape, but perhaps not shown in France), and then destroyed the Ivory Coast’s measly air force to avende the deaths of their soldiers.
It would have been much better if the French troops had just landed in the country and surrendered.
nomad Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 11:15 pm
poor cunt
Evan Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 11:35 pm
60 dead for looting and abusing white women? 200 dead for rocket attacks and kidnappings seems to be restrained under that logic. Nomad, correct me if I’m wrong but your basic premise is as follows: whatever France does good, whatever Israel does bad. Do you really wonder why almost no one in Israel takes France seriously? Go surrender somewhere else.
Vince Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 11:36 pm
“ISLAM is what makes terrorists.
It’s all in the Koran:

8:12. (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, “Verily, I
am with you, so keep firm”

First of all, those quotes are completly taken out of context. Secondly, you could produce the same “evidence” to support the claim that any religion “makes terrorists.”
infidel Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 11:39 pm
how many christian or jews are terriorists in the NAME of their religion?
nomad Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 11:44 pm
who is trying to make a comparison, it’s you !

not me !

as far you attack us in a contemt way, I am responding

case closed
lynne wooldridge Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 11:49 pm
Obsession creates restricted, tortured and twisted thinking. I am thinking of Timothy McVey, the US terrorist who bombed the federal building in Oklahoma in the US. Many experiences and factors went into the formation of his thinking and reasoning. His mother deserted the family when he was a young teen, and the family was dysfunctional from the start apparently. There was no talk at home among family members about love, compassion, about the future—nothing. He went in to the army, and was not given a place in an elite company that he wanted to join. He turned bitter, and was susceptible to crazy talk about conspiracies and hatred of the government. His anger was fueled by his personal experiences (rejection, frustration, depression and sadness)—issues that he had never resolved. And, probably most significantly, he simply had never learned to think well, and he was young and impressionable. He succeed in his terrorist attack, but at the end, he hated himself for what he had become, for failing to create a future for himself. There seem to be so many factors that go into the making of a terrorist. I am a teacher, and I focus more on teaching my students how to think than what to think. Terrorism: I just don’t feel that it ever solves anything or creates anything but misery. In teaching, we are told to use punishment as little as possible, but to use other methods to resolve problems. B.F. Skinner, the famous behavioral scientist, wrote that punishment may stop a behavior but it does not teach anything. What does that say about the current situation between Lebanon, Gaza, and Israel? I wish someone more brilliant than I am could think of a way of resolving this conflict and developing a peace plan that would work for everyone. Respectfully submitted from Lynne in Texas
Fares Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 1:19 am
Rallying for Lebanon and the West double Standards
tommy Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 1:37 am
Remember, nomad, it was Chirac who started in with the now ubiquitous ‘disproportionate’ comment.

who are you to give a lesson in hypocrisy

go fuck yourself !

poor cunt

You are getting feisty, aren’t you nomad?

Calm down. We are just attacking the French government, not you personally. When I make fun of the French, I’m just engaging in a little bit of light-hearted teasing anyway.

I’m not going to second-guess the soldiers in the Ivory Coast, they almost certainly did what they felt they had to do, but Jacque Chirac’s little meme about the Israeli response being ‘disproportionate’ is hypocritical. The French military would almost certainly do what they felt they had to do to get their own soldiers back and prevent future attacks on France if forced into a similar situation, why should it be any different for Israel?

Breaking!!! Kofi Annan, of all people, is calling for a cease-fire:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060721/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_un_15;_ylt=Ah0FlcQ.vcxi8hsS.23.37tH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw–

UN-believable. Kofi? Israel? Hezbollah nutjobs? Cease-fire? Whoda’ thunk it?

How about a cease-terrorism before a cease-fire?
Kranky Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 4:53 am
[if you are humor impaired, please don't click the link]

So nomad, you have seen this?
BrooklynJon Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 6:06 am
Kranky, great link!

Lynne Wooldridge,
I’m sure I’m not as smart as Skinner, but I’m thinking that since General Sherman burnt the southern US to a crisp, they seem to have learned that slavery is bad.
And the folks of Dresden haven’t been all uppity the past sixty years.
And Japan seems to have changed its tone since its, um, experience sixty-odd years ago.

Come to think of it, so long as the Arabs stop blowing stuff up, I really don’t care whether they “learn a lesson” or not.

So anyway, two Skinnerians meet on a street corner. One says to the other, “Hi, you’re fine. How am I?”
Then again, maybe I am at least as smart as Skinner…
Vince Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 6:21 am
“how many christian or jews are terriorists in the NAME of their religion?”

But terrorism hasn’t been around as long as the religion itself has. The interpretation of the religion is what forces these Muslims to become terrorists in the name of their religion. And the interpretation is subjective; therefore placing blame on the individual rather than the subjective philosophy. There are many Muslims who don’t commit acts of terror, it’s a problem of the follower and not the religion.
The new Prophet Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 6:26 am
Muslim terrorists now know that diplomacy is mightier than their fictional Allah.
Look at them beg for ceasefire and international aid.
The new Prophet Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 6:42 am
>”The interpretation of the religion is what forces these Muslims to become terrorists in the name of their religion.”

That proves that the Koran is false and does not guide Muslims correctly. Also, how many Christians or Jews or any others have miss-interpreted their religion in VIOLENCE?

>”There are many Muslims who don’t commit acts of terror, it’s a problem of the follower and not the religion.”

That’s because many Muslims don’t follow ALL of the religion. Most Muslims in the west have diverted from the strict religion (moderates). Also, terrorism is illegal! They know they will be caught.
nomad Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 6:46 am
Tommy, France seems to invade your mind , be carreful !

kranky, I don’t read twisted sources of yours !
Rea Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 6:56 am
this is amazing, 50 years give or take this s**it has been going on, and you are still arguing over whose fault it is. for f**k sakes just STOP! all of you. and all of them. aren’t you all tired of death? whichever side you’re on? did you still not learn that violence only breeds more violence? what’s a good REASON for death?! a piece of land? wow. isn’t that very humane and progressive. i swear if anyone again tells me we’re more intelligent than animals, i’m gonna piss on them.
Mark Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 7:09 am
Umm I believe that the Klan is based on christianity, (the whole burning cross thing, supposed to be the light of christ) and they are pretty much a terrorist organization. They did afterall do that whole lynching and firebombing of black churches thing.
Also I don’t know off hand but I believe that leading up to the creation of Israel there were a few Jews that had some pretty harsh tactics. (although I don’t know if what they did was done in the name of Judaism.)
tommy Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 7:11 am
I disagree with you Vince. I don’t rule out that religious values can change but I think it is a problem of religion, not just individual interpretation.

And the interpretation is subjective

That doesn’t negate the fact that there is a body of teachings to be interpreted which seem to promote violence or that such interpretations are promoted by large numbers of Muslim clergy and theologians throughout many portions of the Muslim world. It isn’t an entirely subjective thing. The range of individual interpretations a religion can have is limited by the teachings of that religion, previous theological interpretation of that religion, etc.

There are many Muslims who don’t commit acts of terror,

So what?

First, with any religious group, whether it is an individual congregation, sect, or a broad religious movement is going to necessarily play up certain elements of their teachings in relation to others. Pentecostal Christians play up those aspects in the Bible that deal with prophecy, divine revelation, miracles, etc. while another sect may emphasize those parts of Christianity that are more intellectual and cognitive. Certain teachings get more play than others from group to group, even if one were to find that the particular teachings of two different groups may be the same on a given point. Two Christian churches may agree that charitable activities are a good thing, but those two churches may not emphasize charity to the same degree. This extends all the way down to individuals. One Muslim woman might emphasize Islamic teachings regarding modesty - that may be where her focus lies; another from the same congregation might emphasize teachings concerning family life and charity. It doesn’t mean that the congregation is teaching different things to different people, but people can only focus on so many things at a time and have to prioritize what they are taught.

In some Muslim congregations, the emphasis may be on day-to-day living and in others it may be on jihad. How much of the Muslim world is more moderate than it might be simply because things such as religious warfare simply aren’t discussed or given as much attention as they might be, regardless of what the official stand of a particular group might be.

Also, in any religion, large numbers of practitioners are bound to take some of their religion’s teachings with a grain of salt. For instance, there are many Catholics that practice birth control in contravention of the Roman Catholic Church’s teachings on the subject, yet it doesn’t mean that we can entirely negate the fact that birth control is something the Catholic Church rejects and that a certain percentage of Catholics are bound to take the Church’s teachings on this subject seriously.

Finally, even a relatively small number of fanatics are a menace. The biggest proof that there is a problem in the Muslim world is that religiously-motivated violence seems to be everywhere; it isn’t localized. You find jihad in Indonesia and Thailand, you find it in Somalia, you find it in Pakistan and India, you find it in Algeria and Saudia Arabia and Iran and Turkey and the West Bank and Nigeria. You find it everywhere Islam is found.

News:

Sounds like the ground invasion is about to begin shortly:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060721/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel
José Javier Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 11:01 am
Your link does not work
Kranky Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 12:29 pm
Nomad, nothing fights stupidity, and creates common ground like humor. I enjoy a good laugh at myself, and my people. As I do others. The link is humourous. It is not supposed to be offensive.

Heck, someone came up with a “US people are bad tourists” phrase. Would be better if you had a page of jokes about US tourists.

Because then we could all laugh.
Suzanne Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 12:34 pm
Heh, I found this one:

Open Letter to President Ahmadinejad

As a devout Muslim, you should recognize the State of Israel as a blessing expressing Allah’s will. Your aim to wipe Israel off the map defies the values of Islam expressed in the Holy Koran and through Islamic art.

In Islamic art, a uniform geometric pattern is purposely disrupted by he introduction of a counter-pattern to demonstrate that human creation is less than perfect. Based upon the belief that only Allah creates perfection, rug weavers from Islamic lands intentionally weave a small patch of dissimilar pattern to break the symmetry of their rugs. The Islamic artisan does not want to be perceived as competing with the perfection of Allah.

Perhaps you see a continuous pattern like a beautiful Islamic rug running from Morocco on the Atlantic Ocean to the eastern borders of Iran. Shift your perception to see Israel, not as a blemish on the great Islamic rug, but as a small counter-pattern needed to realize Islamic values.

The ingathering of the Jewish People into its historic homeland in the midst of the Islamic world is the fulfillment of Mohammed’s prophecy in the Koran (Sura 17:104): “And we said to the Children of Israel, ‘scatter and live all over the world…and when the end of the world is near we will gather you again into the Promised Land.”

Switch your viewpoint to recognize the sovereign right of the Jews over the Land of Israel as the will of Allah as expressed in the Koran (Sura 5:20-21): “Remember when Moses said to his people: ‘O my people, call in remembrance the favor of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the people. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and then turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.’”

This paradigm shift should transform your perception of Israel from an alien presence to a tiny golden seed from which a lush green Islamic tree has germinated and spread its roots and branches across North Africa and the Middle East.

Salam Aleikum,
Abu Musa
Josh Scholar Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 1:17 pm
The page is 404 now.
nomad Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 1:54 pm
kranky

I had some bad time I guess
P. Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 3:06 pm
This is the orginial link that some of you cannot find:
http://archmemory.blogspot.com/2006/07/making-of-terrorist.html

I live in Germany, I am an European. I never read ME blogs since last week. What I read and see on ME blogs in the last days shocked me. I have the feeling that I am in another world, I am in another dimension. I cannot say more than this.:-(.
annon Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 3:22 pm
The west had mostly caught onto the propaganda of the terrorists and it won’;t work on most of us except the utra lefties. This is it and it isn’t going to stop. My advise is to get out of the way and let Israel clean the nest once and for all.
annon Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 3:27 pm
lynne wooldridge. I gues you’ve not read “The Third Terrorist” by Jayna Davis? If you had you would know that McVeigh wasn’t who you think he is.
Gadfly Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 3:28 pm
Thanks for the new link.

The guy deleted my comment, which was a rational comparison, not screaming abuse. So he’s a total pussy. If he’s a terrorist now … woooo … give me a second to rub down the goosebumps.
Canicula Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 3:53 pm
While i ackowledge that as a Westerner with no Semitic roots of any kind, i have no particular right to comment on this at all, as an English person married to an Irishwoman who lived in London and therefore always kept an eye on the actions of the IRA, i would like to at least comment as an observer.

Most terrorist organisations ascribe to religion in some fashion and yet most of them are run by people who have no more interest in religion than I, a committed atheist. They use it to mislead people as to their real aims and as a method of raising loyalty and recruitment. There is always a level of high command that have little or no interest in anything other than personal aggrandisement and power. Religion for these people is a tool to mislead the faithful in the same way that politicians use nationalism to mislead the voter.

Something someone said on these comments the other day struck home with me, might have been Israeliguy or raccoon, if Israel downed it’s weapons and promised to refuse to defend itself, what would the Arab nations do? If the Arab nations did likewise, what would the Israelis do?

Even if I believed the killing of women and children can ever be the answer to anything, ever, the idea of pacificism in that situation would be nonsense from any self-respecting state sworn to defend it’s people. For Lebanon i confess limited knowledge of affairs and will not cast an ignorant opinion.

If i have made assumptions i shouldn’t have, and commented where comments are not welcome, i apologise.
tommy Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 4:57 pm
It is interesting that people bring up the IRA and KKK. These are invalid comparisons to the Islamist jihad, IMO.

In the case of the Irish conflict, religion serves only to denote two historically and socially separate groups, Catholics and Protestants. No IRA member claims to be inspired to act by teachings of the Catholic Church.

Canicula is basically correct about the lack of religious sentiment felt by many IRA members. You can see this in the fact that the IRA has suffered numerous splits over the years, many because a certain proportion of the membership is of a more Marxist in orientation. Marxism seems to be a more important ideological component than Catholicism but even Marxism isn’t a principal motivation for IRA violence.

Similarly, with the KKK, religion is denotational not inspirational. The emphasis on religion is mostly to the extent of separating white Protestants from all other groups.

In fact, the original KKK wasn’t even necessarily Christian (the first incarnation of the group also had Jewish members as was pointed out in a Jerusalem Post article I read a while back), nor was it very anti-Catholic. It has only been during subsequent rebirths of the organization that anti-Semitism and anti-Catholicism have become hallmarks of the KKK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

By contrast, Islamic groups find the inspiration for their actions directly from religion. Religion is a primary motivator for jihad, not merely a secondary factor that separates Muslims from non-Muslims as it is with the KKK or IRA.

Concerning Islam and violence –

An old Steve Sailer article with some interesting points about Islam:
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/10/does-islam-make-its-adherents-violent.html
Anonymous Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 5:14 pm
Here’s a point to argue about: I’ve witnessed many Arab bloggers complain that Aipac and other pro-Israel groups have great control over US actions in the region. Lets assume that Jews and Israel support groups send their money to influence the decisions for American backing (the point of lobbying).

Arabs and Arab nations are wealthy beyond belief, where does their money go if not for lobbying?
Vince Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 10:05 pm
“Arabs and Arab nations are wealthy beyond belief, where does their money go if not for lobbying?”

Not all Arab states are wealthy beyond belief. Even so, the issue of wealth, in my opinion, is not what keeps Arabs from lobbying in the U.S.

I’m not sure what the exact numbers are, but I read somewhere that the Arab population in the U.S doubles that of the Jewish population. Arabs have never been able to band together for something like this. There are many reasons why, many of which are arguable, but Arabs have not been able to collectively pursue a common political goal in the West, despite the argument that they have just as many resources to do so as teh Jewish lobby in the States.
Uchuck the Tuchuck Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 10:34 pm
“I’d love to see what Chirac’s idea of a “proportionate response” is in response.”

Didn’t Chirac recently rattle a nuclear sabre over some issue?
nomad Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 10:50 pm
actually he did last january, to make europe think about an independant energy politic

“proportionate reponse”, no nead to extrapolate, you have your own idea on it ! Libanese people are one our closest friends, and it is very painful to watch them in such condition, and Chirac could not say more or less that, we do have arabs friends too and it is a general formulation in europe too ! don’t want Israel perish and dont want Leban perish, clear ?
Anonymous Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:00 am
If France was such good friends with Lebanon, they did not show their support by aiding in the removal of a certain threat that has been lingering in Southern Lebanon like a bad fart for years now.
Craig Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:36 am
Yes, Nomad, are you volunteering French Foreign Legion to disarm Hezbollah and defuse this crisis? Somebody has got to do it, and if the Lebanese truly regard France as a friend, maybe that should be you.
Suzanne Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:45 am
@Nomad, Lebanon will not perish.
tommy Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:58 am
I’m not sure what the exact numbers are, but I read somewhere that the Arab population in the U.S doubles that of the Jewish population.

No. I don’t think that could be accurate. In fact, it is probably the inverse of that. The United States has about 6-7 million Jews. The Arab-American Institute estimates that 3 million people have “roots” tracing to an Arab country (which could mean having only a small percentage of Lebanese or Syrian ancestry for some of those counted). Also, some people think that this number is inflated.

News:

Looks like the ground invasion will begin shortly:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060722/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel
Moose Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:05 am
Children, Cities, Nations, pities,

Your war, my fault, they did, earth salt,

Agony, Ecstasy, my pain, best delay,

Earth fire, funeral pyre, death mask, dire task,

Reign of man, same old plan, be a scribe, diatribe,
ahmad Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:03 am
APOLOGIES TO ALL THE READERS, sandmonkey ONLY BLOGS FROM WORK, SO NO BLOGS ON WEEK ENDS
Cadavre Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:59 am
The sandnigger makes us do it -

So many many well meaning rarationalizations and self serving platitudes.

Heres a good one:
“All countries kill a bunch of civilians in war”

There are only two countries who have been attacking anybody, Israel and the US.

What I sense folks is that you are denying clock ticks down.

On CSPAN today - Rep Engle from NY was on - and every call, be it repug, democrap or independent slamed him and Israel. Every call. Engles typical arrogance was destroyed after the first call. Even the CSPAN host - warned - before a call came in.

The US gentry - about 70% has had it with both Israel and a US government “occupied by Jews”. If someone is telling you the US loves what you are allowing your government to do - if they’re telling you that - they’re full of excrement. You are more near death that success.

A substancial majority of Americans for over a decade have been upset with Israel. Granted, there are a lot of evangelical Jews in Israel, probably more than half are evangelicals. In the US, the Evangelical christians are less than 25%.

A couple of years ago, George Soros, in a book, warned the Jew about getting to close to the US Christian evangelical. Why - they’re devious. Many are smart yet play dumb. Unlike Israelis, who lack perception skills, and pretend to the point that they deceive themselves, that they are knowledgable. They pretend the intillect of a culture that abandoned them a hundred years ago. Soros’ warning was [that] the US Evangelical seeks rapture. The rapture involves Jews, Fire, Israel and Jews “on fire”. Get it. You’re their feast. They’ve been cultivating you for their end of time feast.

Many US Jews are evangelical - they can afford to be - thay aint in Israel! The wolf ain’t pissing on their door step - yet!

It may be too late. Already - this week - we’ve seen the pantomime of the fony tuff IDF. Tanks rumblng on roads below Lebanon - the big bad threat from the big bad Jew.

Is it scaring the sandnigger? No?

US Dumb Downs think: Wow - those IDF are real bad asses.

US enlightened see those tanks and all that TV time and we see Israel looking for a way to back out. IDF never intended to go into Lebanon - you never show your cards when your intent is pure. It’s abluff. And you cannot bluff in chess or war.

Never bluff when your opponent knows you are. The elders of the your acquired culture knew this - but their wisdom illudes today’s Jew.

The Jew has become little more than a monkey to divert simpletons while big oil and big war, the Jew’s organ grinder, rob them blind.

Cross the border and all those shiney tanks will melt like butter. Look in Iraq - the greatest - best equiped mass murder machine in the world, the US Army, is cowering behind the green line. Their lungs are filled with DU dust. Musch of has flooded into the greater Midlle East. Any of you with common sense would call Israels environmental agency and ask what the DU levels - there’s going to be some “Ripley Beleive it Or Not” little Israels born for a couple of hundred years - Providing that Israel makes it through the night.

Look in Iraq. You really think your pathetic IDF has a chance. Let em do what they do best, rocket grandmothers in Gaza. You don’t want - and neither should your IDF - get into a real fight - where someone fights back. Tjose dandniggers will shred the IDF - if you have any common sense you’d realize this.

You are fooling yourselves if you think steel is mightier than flesh. That steel can defeant a people with nothing left to loose and nowhere to run.

Israel can barely oppress a people with [absolutely] no means to defend themselves.

I wise Jew mould move beyond the pretense of selfserving platiitudes and rationalization.

Murder is murder - and even the Jew fucks up some time.

My suggestion - take back your government. Governments are not for war - they are to serve the people. Israel’s government is loss leader and market maker for war. They are not serving you. How do I know - because most of the world right now is praying the sandnigger removes Israel from reality. TO wake up with the knowledge that Israel will no longer threaten our future and the quality of life we hope for our descendents is a poerful aphrodesiac.
A dream shared by most.

“By way of deception” yopu have been taught to beleive that you are hated. And moment by moment, that deception is becoming a reality.

You will have to return all the land Israel as usurped from it’s neighbers. You will have to reconcile with Palestine.

The only way Jews, white Jews (not the Jewish refugees Israel sent into excile), will ever be able to live in the geography called Israel is would require the formation of a single, non Jewish state, with the “elected” leadership of Palestine. Palestinains and Jews would be equal citizens.

They did it in South Africa.

Otherwise, that wolf - the one releiving a really raunchy bladder on your door step - that wolf - he is about to consume you. Accept it or perish. Two facts - IDF bluffs war, and the US is getting destroyed in Iraq.

You may have time to save Israel - but it will not be like the Israel you live in now.

It’s either that - or - it’s total anihalation - to pretend otherwise - at this moment of history - would be the last vanity of a fool.

Peace.
NukeEm Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 8:37 am
10 bucks says Cadavre is a Nation of Islam convert.

Takers?
tommy Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:26 am
Nation of Islam?

Nawww…

Cadavre is clearly a member of Hezbollah.

Thus his moniker…

Israel takes a village in Lebanon:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060722/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel

Should Israel attack Syria too?
http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=16179

Udi Adam’s War
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153291961904&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
nomad Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:45 am
are you volunteering French Foreign Legion to disarm Hezbollah and defuse this crisis? Somebody has got to do it, and if the Lebanese truly regard France as a friend, maybe that should be you.

actally, you are not too far from reality, if what I read is exact, you kow how french diplomaty is discret in such purpose

so far special military unities are allready in place on war ships ready to move when green fire rise
Suzanne Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:45 am
“There are only two countries who have been attacking anybody, Israel and the US.”

lol

never knew I would read such nonsense today
Suzanne Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:46 am
ow, shit the Jew-bashing thing made my day

grow up, Cadavre

quickly
Uchuck the Tuchuck Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:26 pm
I’m not sure I got it straight. Is the U.S. the end-time feast for Jewish evangelicals (whatever the Hell that is) or are the Israelis the end-time feast for the U.S. Christian evangelicals? Either way, dibs on the ribs!
Cadavre Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:14 pm
Ahhh … my clever friends … rapture “produce” becomes you.

So puffed - so phony buff - so “hollywood” tuff - the denial is palpable - and the wolf is close. So close you can smell the ooze of his musk - as he pants - liking his paws - waiting for you to beleive you can “take him on”.

The fear is obvious - never bluff my friends - never bluff - pretending you can win this will be your final “vanity”.

At least the mind control agencies and brain police have done their jobs well.

You react as your betters intended - you have become food. Powerless, empty shells of humanity. A ghost of the Jew.

Any of you in the IDFt? How many will talk the talk - but at that fateful moment - flinch - and say, ‘You know what, I think the “refuseniks” have a pretty good point.’

And Tommy boy - playing the clever comeback kid - empty - trembling - high school one liners between peeks between the window shutters, doing a little “wolf” recon. Where is that wolf , Tommy? Where is he scratching right now? You’re a regular Henry Youngman wanna be Tommy boy!

Yes dear Tommy - any one suggesting to break away from your conditioning and save yourself - must be a sandnigger agent - right - you’ve been taught that your whole life my poor, poor boy.

When you are renditioned into the IDF - never - I say naver - reach for the soap in the shower and expose your sweet young assets to the lonely Russians who have spent to much time in the trenches.They have had the scent of raw young pubescent pheromones, when their bulleys blew some sandnigger girls ovaries out!

Suzanne - “Grow up Cadaver” - what did you expect here? Blood is flowing - the wolf salivates - and you come in for some “sabbeth” advice on how to deal with the abundance of celulite on your inner thighs?

Abnd Mr. Upchuck - chuck bisquits - always puking in the hall - nary a wisp of the wisdom your adopted ancestry offered. Clever - more fodder for the organ grinder - tender boy for lonely Russian IDF in the shower - just before your step on a land mind.

Everything is funny when your not making money.

What you say “wolfbait” - are you men - or are you Jew Bab-B-Que - for the goyims end-of-time tailgate party?

Clueless in Judea - tisk - tisk - tisk!
mary Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:51 pm
So puffed - so phony buff - so “hollywood” tuff - the denial is palpable - and the wolf is close. So close you can smell the ooze of his musk - as he pants - liking his paws - waiting for you to beleive you can “take him on”.

The fear is obvious - never bluff my friends - never bluff - pretending you can win this will be your final “vanity”.

This writing is so wretched, it’s Bulwer-Lyttonesque.

http://www.bulwer-lytton.com

It’s a dark and stormy night wherever you are, Cadavre
Wishbone Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:12 pm
Yeah…..ok Cadavre…..I’m sure if Shakespeare were alive he’d be shitting his pants now. Reminds me of the kid in school that would act hard by acting wierd. You know……The “Im not big but I’m wierd…ergo MENTAL”.

Strangely enough, that kid always got an arse kicking in the end.
Egypeter Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:23 pm
Holy gibberish, Batman! WTF are you rambling about, lol.

Do you know eee?
Cadavre Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:23 pm
To Anonymous at 66 ( or was it 666)?

You ask, why the French, or any European is not Jumping in the fight as shiny idling IDF Tanks, cowering on a road in front of TV cameras, give show to Israel’s failure. That Israels phony tuff might , that a mechanized Terminator Army - is no match for the flesh and will of those who have nothing left to loose.

The French - like most reasonable people, my dear deluded Friend, wait for Israel to be removed from history. Any lament you suspect or hope from the French is about as substancial a prospect beleivbving chantining “We are the only chosen people” will save Israel from the wolf licking it’s paws on her front stoop:
http://www.crescentandcross.com/index.php?page=articles&subpage1=six_simple_words

Lets review what European leadership has been saying:

Chirac: “Israel is a shitty little country”
If I were you, Annonymous, I would anticpate that it will be a long time before the French come in. When they go to war - they don’t “idle” their tanks in front of TV cameras all day - and don’t allow their officers to puff and prune for TV - they go to war - tell the IDF they’re on their own.

The french aren’t a made for TV army like the IDF has become.

Chancelor Khole - remember him?
When Amajhad asked why Israel was harming Palestinians who had nothing to do with the alleged holocaust and suggested the blame for that history has not been proven, well what did the ex -leader of the country that exports more manufactured goods than any other country in the world say?

Kohle said, “[Armajad] said what is in our hearts”

Israel’s only purpose is to boost war and oil profits - a slow - manageable war - thats it - no one cares - and most - most may be hoping (maybe even praying) - that Israel will be gone from memory very soon. They bait the wolf to eat you.

What you think important does not go beyond the borders your country. You’re deluded if you think anyone has any pity, or good feelings - except when they feign (like a crocidile) “politcal correctness” for Israel.

Israel’s only [pretend] friend - a simp - a wimp - Bush. He’s so dumb - even Israelis look smart ! WW III will nationalize energy, the war factories and infrastructure. The profit motive will be removed. There will be a war tax - there will be a draft - do you think the people pulling Bush’s strings want that?

And the Jew will be blamed for every young American that dies or has their reproductive capcity ruined by radiation.

Do you really think Americans want to die and pay even more treasure for the future of Israel?

Is that air you’re breathing? … hmmm

You spend too much time watching American TV and listening to Israel politicians. The truth - my friend - is the world has tired of Israel and wait for Israel’s fall. The world is ready for change - and they look to a future without Israel and the racism of Zionism.

Learn how to build a “freedom raft” so you can paddle to your goyim sugar daddies war ships in the med. But pray - and I am serious - that none of those ships are commanded or staffed by the descendants of the sailors Israel killed when it attacked the USS Liberty. Pray.

And pray for no nukes - the radition will leave Judea in a weaker state than she is today - a future of “Ripleys Beleiveve it or Not” 3 headed “chosens”, is something Jews should not look forward to.

Pray my friend for an easy death - or save Israel - and take back your government from the goyim bomb and oil merchants “changing money” on the steps of your temples.

Peace and safety - your only salvation is to treat your neighbors as you would have them treat you - ooops! That’s what’s happening now!
Craig Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:00 pm
Wow. The French are real bad-asses, arent they? Who knew

The whining is more appealing when it isn’t combined with threats of genocide, Cadavre.
Vince Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:02 pm
So where are you writng from, Cadavre?
tommy Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:08 pm
If the IDF is a “made-for-TV” army as Cadavre suggests, then I guess that makes the Arab armies they’ve defeated previously “made-for-2:00 am-infomercial” armies.

Moving forward in Lebanon:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060722/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel

More typically good coverage from CT Blog:
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006/07/hizbollahs_iranian_war_in_leba.php

Part III of a must read series of articles from Richard Landes, producer of Pallywood:
http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2006/07/20/response-to-omar-part-iii/
Karen Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:38 pm
Someone posted about a week ago that cadavre, eee and some other loser have their own blog. So I guess that is why they sound alike.
Anonymous66 Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:42 pm
Cadavre,
Lets put your anti-Israel epithets aside and focus on my point, French Diplomacy.

If France sided with Arabs so much, why did they arm Israel with nukes and not Arabs?
Cadavre Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 8:02 pm
Vince -
In my bunker - on my computer -

Is love or racism in my words?

It’s not where I am writing from - it’s what we’re all writing and talking about that’s important.. We are are talking about the future of Israel and Judism - the “real” future - not a made in ballywood pipe dream.

We’re discussing our prospects - a world full of shiney health educated descendents that chase the the magic of knowledge with glee in their hearts - or fire burning our miserable vain asses from the story of time.

Peace.
Anonymous66 Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 8:15 pm
Cadavre, I’m not sure if you’re comments are defeatist or nihalist. The pipe dream is acceptance of the Arab’s and European claims. Don’t you have grandparents? Where did they crawl from? Who murdered their families?
Cadavre Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 8:18 pm
To Anonymous667

That question is meaningless in the context of the moment. Last week my boyfriend loved me - this week he didin’t - should I go to the mall?

An answer to your question is meaningless. There is only today - there may be a tommorrow - the fictions of History and our respective cult mythologies and a past of false glories will not resolve the issue we face right now.

It’s not “how did this happen” - the only issue is “what will the result be?”

When it comes to the propect of anihalation - there is no room for bluff, vanity or prooning. This problem has to be solved - name calling and relying on past mythologies will not save Israel from the wolf.

Anti israel epthets - did you listen to the UN debate yesterday? There is no love for Israel anywhere.

The bomb makers vetoed the only chance for Israel to back out gracefully - they care so much.

Your nation - your IDF - is on it’s own my friend. Asking about what god said to Abraham or debatinting the intent of some guys words from a million years ago will not protect you from the wolf.

This is not a TV show - my friend - something very important will happen very soon - and your ability to feign indignation will be dust iin the wind unless you take Judea and Israel back from the bomb makers and oil suckers.

The world tires of US war industry and US oil barrons gaming us with the laments of the poor poor vicious Jew.

We cannot pretend our way forward and indignation wastes precious time, my friend!

Save your country save your firiend - reconcile with Palestine - and take back your government from the war and commodies tradoer that exploit you. You wast times on words when you should be acting.

Peace.
Anonymous66 Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 8:36 pm
Cadavre,
Your rhetoric is nonsensical and clearly shows your ignorance. I want you to find one Islamic movement that does not have the destruction of Israel at it’s core. Do that and we’ll have a real conversation.

Rationalionalizing self-defense is absurd when my neighboring countries call for my death, but I do it anyway because I am a member of CIVILIZATION, not anarchists.

My grandfather and his brothers escaped the Holocaust. The rest of his family was completely anhilliated in Poland. He clawed his way to Cypris, no thanks to Britain who tried to send him back to Auschwitz. He made it to Israel by pure chance with the help of Christian Missionaries. My grandmother escaped the Arab riots in Iraq that killed her parents and brothers. With nothing she came to Israel to find refuge. Only days after they made their respective escapes they were forced to fight for their lives.

They were ready willing and able to live side by side with Arabs, but unfortunately, ony 3 words rang in their minds for the next 65 years - etbach el yahud - Butcher the Jews.
Craig Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 8:50 pm
Peace.

Oh, yeah. Peace. That’s what we have after all the people you don’t like are dead, right? Or will there just be some new group of people that have to be exterminated then? :O
eee Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:44 pm
> That’s what we have after all the people
> you don’t like are dead, right?

Projection again.

How many native americans were murderered for the sake
of the - then - european master race?
Ten or twenty millions?

And please - tell me Craig - where is the holocaust-temple
for all the native americans you’ve slaughtered?

Tell us about the difference between Israels right to ethnically
cleanse Palestine and your “manifest destiny” please.
Cadavre Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 10:52 pm
Annoymous666 at 92

Pride and fear trick the mind my friend. Your request:
“I want you to find one Islamic movement that does not have the destruction of Israel at it’s core. Do that and we’ll have a real conversation.”

My dear Annymous666 - it would be defficult to find one non-Islamic nation whose citizens are not screaming with their thumbs down. 90 out of a 100 non-Muslims probably wish the same thing you assert muslims desire.

Why do mulsims hate Israel? Is it because Jews claim a chosen dominion or the rutty rot of death at Israels borders and in Palestine?

.. Is that air you’re breathing? … hmmm

Thats the problem - you’re conditioned to be hate bait - and lack the facility - the wisdom of the legacy Jews - to see it and fix it.

And what were the legacy Jews? They were black on black Sandniggers - all their work - all their words - and you use the paper that knowledged was written on to wipe your fanny afer a long night of cheap wine in a Tel Aviv brothel!

BTW: Have you googled
Isreal War Crimes - and clicked “News” today?

Friend - it’s not just Islam - the whole f-cking goy world has had it with war and the monkey Jew dancing for big war’s organ grinder.

Let’s say it this way - the world probably cares as much for Israelis as Israelis care for Palestinians. The world’s sympathies are with Palestine and Lebanon and Iraq.

And you, my friend, were conditioned to substitute arrogance for wisdom - which means - except for the fact Israel may have a lot of useless Talamudic knowledge - now that’s something you can sell in the bazaar - Israelis and their “safe in the rear with the gear” American counterparts, seem to have the collective wisdom of a frying pan.

You’re baited to be hated. You live for it - and now, my friend, you might just die for it. The wolf is close - very close. Can you smell him yet?

Look at your responses - always the indignation - like the world really cares about the taboo of Jewish indignation anymore. That taboo, my friend vaporized when the world saw Gaza last month.

That’s ignorance - you have not yet recognized that “the” taboo is no longer respected. You need to find a way to express yourself like the reat of humanity does.

The dance of the Jewish Monkey in Gaza for his bombmaking organ grinder - the hate it produces - is charged to taxpayers all over the world for security services and defrauding consumers with inflated energy.”war” oil.

The world’s taxpayers and consumers are paying trillions and trillions of dollars,every year, that would otherwise go to infrastructure and easy sex, because the Israelis’ vanity refuses them to see or admitt they are little more than monkeys for an organ grinder that does not give a sh-t about Israel, Judea or Jews!

The Muslims grievance is for the wholsale slaughter and humiliation you brought to Palestine - and Now Leban - The other goys are fed up with Israeli’s murder and the countless millions that are murdered every year because the Israeli has become a dancing monkey for the war profiiteers and the commidity nobiliyes.

The mob is always stuck with the Jews dinner tab - always - and now they want it to stop. (Don’t tell me you haven’t googles yet - time is short - and the big bad wold snorts at your door)

Israel does not have any friends in the world - NONE -except her crocidile tear-eyed goyim bomb and oil organ grinders

Love your moves Anonymous666 - here’s a banana!

Peace

PS - You and your friends need to contact Gush Shalom - the IDF refuseniks - you need to tell your government you are tired of being a monkey.
Hossam el-Hamalawy Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:13 pm
Just read the posting now. Very touching story… Thanks for sharing it with us.
Bec Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:16 pm
eee -
And please - tell me Craig - where is the holocaust-temple
for all the native americans you’ve slaughtered?

Please don’t presume to speak for me, a Native American. Many Native Americans have been and are proud of the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_talker
http://www.medalofhonor.com/NativeWarriors.htm

As for “manifest destiny” all human beings on earth are responsible for this at some time or other. Do you want a list? Russians slaughtered the Aleuts.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~akahgp/Social/aleut.htm
The Russians in turn were enslaved by the Mongols under the suzerainty of the Khanate of the Golden Horde for generations:
http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Article/398206
Arabs arrived in ancient Judea in the seventh century as a conquering army. The Jewish homeland is Judea, the Arab homeland is Arabia, and conquering a country does not make you a native culture.

(and Cadavre) Maybe someday your grandchildren and the grandchildren of Israelis will live in peace and harmony. It takes a change of heart first. Or will you choose to continue to make this life a living hell for all around you? Many Israelis are hopeful. Many Arabs are, too. Wherever your rage and hate come from I have no idea. People have suffered worse than you in this life and still remained kind and noble human beings. Why don’t you read about some of them? Do you hear the victims of the Mumbai train massacre seeking the kind of revenge you do?
Allow me ask you, if I’m not being too personal. Who in this world represents someone with wisdom to you? I’m curious.
howard Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:43 pm
#95 Cadaver - spare us your deranged outlook.

To Anonymous66: the Islamic extremists who are trying to destroy other democracies often don’t have hatred for Israel as the core, but do use it to inflame hatred. E.g. the ones attacking India over Kashmir have their own hatreds.

Many Muslims around the world hate Israel and the US because they’ve been told over and over that Israel and the US are responsible for the poor state of their countries, and it’s a lot easier to believe that than it is to admit that they have to change. Also, because hating Israel and the West is how they paper over their differences with each other. Otherwise they would have to face those differences.

In the same way, a lot of KKK folks blame African Americans and Jews for their problems. After all, Israel has never attacked Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Malaysia, etc. But there are people there who passionately hate Israel.

You could express your opinions without bigotry, but instead you choose to call Jews monkeys. Has anyone here called Arabs or Muslims monkeys? No? Then all you are demonstrating is simply that you can’t hold a conversation without embarassing yourself.

As for wholesale slaughter — when you grieve for the many thousands of Muslims killed by their fellow Muslims in Iraq, or the tens of thousands of Muslims murdered by Syria in Hama in one week at Hama, or the hundreds of thousands of black non-Muslims murdered by Arab Muslims in the genocide in Darfur, or the millions of innocent Iranian Muslim civilians that Iran’s oh-so-holy ayatollas murdered by forcing them into the line of fire during the Iran-Iraq war, I’ll consider your claim that your problem with Israel is based on the deaths of a few hundred Lebanese human shields, however much I wish they had not perished.
Vince Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:47 pm
eee,

do you have a blog? someone stated before that you do, shared with others. Provide the link if you do have one.
Wishbone Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:21 am
95 Cadavre-

“The Muslims grievance is for the wholsale slaughter and humiliation you brought to Palestine - and Now Leban”

To pick up on that line here, are you specifically referring to those Muslims in Lebanon and Palestine, or are you referring to the global Islamic following?. If the former, then the statement speaks for itself.

Of course, if not, then explain East Timor, explain India/Kashmir, explain Kosovo, explain Somalia, explain Nigeria…..the list goes on.

Could it simply be that Judaism is not the singular focus of Muslim hatred?. Could it actually be that Islam is seemingly single minded in its need to be at war with just about anything that is not Islam?. Christians, Buddhists, Hindus………are being attacked,abused and slaughtered in just about every place I’ve mentioned, for no other reason than the Muslims in those nations, and other places, refuse point fucking blank to live side by side with any non Muslim peoples.

Perhaps I’ve missed something here, but where are the “Jews” in any of these places?. How about this for a theory then; It’s got absolutely nothing to do with Judaism at all. Just like the Christians, Buddhists, Hindus et al, they merely share the same qualification as the rest of them: Non Muslim, ergo: target.

Israel merely differs from other nations in that it is more than willing and able to rise up and deal out a good arse kicking to anybody that would threaten it. And to forestall any counter statement of Israeli war crimes and violence, anything they’ve done in their defence veritably pales in comparison to what horrors Muslim conquerers throughout history have inflicted on those peoples they have subdued.

Israel yearns to live in peace with its neighbours, so what’s the bloody problem?; It’s surrounded by idiots. Any one of them could stop the bloodshed tomorrow and forge bonds of mutual trust and respect and Israel would honour those bonds. The intellectual, the progressive thinking Muslims, those Muslims that think beyond hatred and bloodshed in the name of Islam and wish to see their own nations prosper in peace? …… Well …..Those poor bastards are keeping themselves well off the radar of the raving lunatics…. God forbid that Muslims could coexist with non Muslims!. Hold onto that thought thinker….You could lose your head.

I’m pretty sure those same intellectuals and progressive thinkers aren’t blaming the Jews,or the Israelis, or anyone else.

They’re probably thinking “I’m surrounded by idiots”
Canicula Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:46 am
Cadavre, eee, all this stuff about Israel not having a friend anymore is just utter balls. There are plenty of people in the word who can sympathise with innocent Palestinians and Lebanese AND still understand Israel’s need to protect itself, in a region in a region full of nations that are loosely bonded by a religion, the extremist expression of which appears to be the destruction of the state that predates them by millenia.

I am a multi faceted individual with the capacity to empathise and sympathise with many differing viewpoints and experiences. I have not had the common sense in my head washed out and some utter drivel poured in to my ear, unlike some it would appear.

61 Tommy, my comments were intended to be more generalising in nature. Your point about the KKK altering it’s facing depending on the era and current public opinion emphasises my point, religion is generally just a tool for manipulation of the troops depending on it’s effectiveness. The stronger and more constant belief in the religion of Islam in those nations where it is a “national” religion is why, frequently, little more needs to be used on those people who are drawn into violent action on these movement’s behalf.
My main point was that at the top, among the real directing forces of terrorist groups, the motivations are usually those more base ones of power and influence, wealth and corruption. Many terrorist movement leaders fit in to the political world only too easily.
Kranky Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:56 am
#98 howard Says:

“Many Muslims around the world hate Israel and the US because they’ve been told over and over that Israel and the US are responsible for the poor state of their countries, and it’s a lot easier to believe that than it is to admit that they have to change. Also, because hating Israel and the West is how they paper over their differences with each other. Otherwise they would have to face those differences.”

This may have something to do with the honor issue. That is, they do not know how to accept personal responsibility for their condition, as doing so would be seen as somehow, dishonorable.

The key, and critical issue to resolve is how to get past this. Unless they can do it, peace will be impossible.

A few of their leaders had the balls to tell their people to get a clue. Sadat was killed for that.

There is nothing honorable about denying responsibility for one’s own condition. There is nothing honorable about blaming others for your condition. There is nothing honorable about lying to your people, or misrepresenting reality.
tommy Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:27 am
Canicula,

your point about the KKK altering it’s facing depending on the era and current public opinion emphasises my point, religion is generally just a tool for manipulation of the troops depending on it’s effectiveness.

There is no doubt that religion can be twisted around for nefarious goals that have little to do with religion ultimately. However, I believe that much of the jihad-terrorism we see in the world today is motivated directly by religion.

Latest from AP:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060722/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel
Shay Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:35 am
Just found your site, I really like your writing (me being a secular, libertarian, anarcho-capitalist-albeit-still-pro-US myself). I’d like to invite you to this forum thingie we’ve got going on, if you’d like to spread some of your wisdom :]

Cheers.
Andyg799 Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:50 am
Wishbone….BANG ON! The only criticism I can offer is what about the division between Sunni and Shia? I’ve worked with both and found an amazing parallel in that neither believe the other is a true Muslim (much like the Catholic/Protestant issue in Ireland). The Saudi’s are scared of Shia, but are the most radical in regard to sharia (Islamic) law, what is it that scares the other Islamic nations about the Shiite’s?
French Trader Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:12 am
The last time I came across a KKK leader was in the mid 1960s. He turned out to be a Jew from New York. He shot himself in the head after the NY Times exposed his background.

I wonder how many of Hezbollah’s leaders are actually Jewish.
howard Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:23 am
#98 my comments were to Cadavre, not to Anon66. Sorry if I confused anyone
howard Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:43 am
Thanks, Kranky. I agree.

Funny — to me, and to you, and to many people, the person who whines and blames everyone else for his problems instead of working with creativity and industry to fix them is the one who really has no honor. The strongest and most honorable people are truly those who are able to admit fault with candor and honesty, seek forgiveness where appropriate and work to correct the problem. The guys without honor are the ones who blame everybody else for their own weakness.

We see that HAMAS, which was pathologically incapable of admitting that its rockets blew up 19 of its own civilians during a parade accident, and insisted on blaming Israel even though eyewitnesses blamed Hamas, has no honor whatsoever.

We all need to do a better job of being responsible, and every society should teach this as a core value. Unfortunately, delusional blame games are the norm in many societies, particularly with regard to Israel, which has never harmed them in the slightest.
Moose Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 5:41 am
Sorry for the following:

Life in session, fuels aggression

Religious states, righteous hate

Fucking war, saddle sore

Hasty words, angry herds

Neighbor’s fears fuel the tears

When all is said and all is done,

Think the dead care who has won?
tommy Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 8:01 am
Wow! I can’t believe I didn’t hear this story earlier! The United Nations is truly disgraceful. Why the fuck are my taxpayer dollars going to the Café Annan anyhow?

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/187339.php

Here is a link to a story I tried to link to earlier. I messed it up:

Dear Muslims: What is It that You Don’t Understand?
http://americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5686

Latest on the conflict:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060723/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel
Herlock Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 10:51 am
How do you kill an idea?
Suzanne Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 11:36 am
Don’t forget to read this one:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3280038,00.html
Wishbone Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:01 pm
105 Andyg799 -

Re: Shia and Sunni

Mate as much as I read about the basic differences between Sunni and Shia, the more convoluted it gets. You have to remember though that, as Tommy points out above, the whole Catholic / Protestant thing in Ireland with regards to the IRA is not so much a religious issue. It was convenient for the IRA for Protestants and Catholics to be at eachothers throats, but a unified republican Ireland was more a political goal than a religious one.

Here’s a “brief” explanation of the Sunni / Shia schism -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3724082.stm

Also remember that this split in Islamic belief occurred early in the emergence of Islam, whereas it took 1500 years or so for Henry VIII to decide he needed to split from the Vatican in order to get his leg over more often without looking irreligious .

As far as I’ve read up to now, Shia Islam seem to have been the “Underdog” to Sunni Islam for a long time, Sunni comprising the vast majority of Muslims worldwide. Of course, if you consider that differences between Islam and the non Muslim religions tend to explode so violently, then it comes as no surprise that extremists on either side of the Sunni / Shia fence would ignite hostilities based on the basic differences between them. It comes across to me as “I’m more Muslim than you”. So when you get the point where they’re saying “I’m so much more Muslim than you, you’re not even a Muslim” then they become a target for their extremist contemporaries.

As I said, it gets even more confusing. I can only speak in terms of how it seems to me, but if there’s anyone else who would like to add to this with more authority, I’d appreciate it.
tommy Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 6:51 pm
How do you kill an idea?

By killing the people who hold it.

News:
Will Syria attempt to pressure Hezbollah to stand down? Or will Syria come into the conflict?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060723/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_syria;_ylt=AlAe7YrTnIOpPF6NoV8558dvaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM-

NATO in Lebanon?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060723/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictlebanon_060723183432;_ylt=AsGy7wCIqHpgGYUQyQoMY54UewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw–
zzz Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 10:46 pm
> Many Native Americans have been and are proud of the US.

I know that americen brain-washing is quite efficient.

So I don’t wonder about to hear, that an american indian is proud of the
nation that nearly exinguished his nation.

But - where is the holocaust shrine for the american indians?
Tell me!

> As for “manifest destiny” all human beings on earth are responsible for
> this at some time or other. Do you want a list? Russians slaughtered the
> Aleuts. http://www.rootsweb.com/~akahgp/Social/aleut.htm
> The Russians in turn were enslaved by the Mongols under the suzerainty of
> the Khanate of the Golden Horde for generations:
http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Article/398206

If all this is so so brave and wonderful, then what’s so wrong with having
another holocaust? Try to explain that to me, oh genius.

> Arabs arrived in ancient Judea in the seventh century as a conquering army.

Wrong, oh bloody moron.

> The Jewish homeland is Judea,

Who the fuck gives you any rights to determine, to whom belongs the land in
Judea, which the majority of the jews left more than 1500 years ago?

> the Arab homeland is Arabia,

Yes, Palestine is arab since more than 1300 years, arab even is an
officially accepted language in the colonial gangster state that we
know as “Israel”.

> and conquering a country does not make you a native culture.

Ever noticed, fucktard and pseudo-american indian, that the jews
conquered the land in the last 60 years.

Conquering a country does not make them conquerer its owner?

Yes! Then lets push these conquerers into the sea - asapissimo!

> (and Cadavre) Maybe someday your grandchildren and the grandchildren of
> Israelis will live in peace and harmony.

Although me is not ‘cadavre’ it’s clear, that there will never be a
coexistence with jewish supremacists. They habe to be removed from time
and space.
Uchuck the Tuchuck Says:
July 24th, 2006 at 12:18 am
Dammit, would you idjits quit using history to try to prove your points when you don’t have the slightest damned idea what you are talking about? The examples cited by Bec and repeated by zzz just don’t make sense!

> As for “manifest destiny” all human beings on earth are responsible for
> this at some time or other. Do you want a list? Russians slaughtered the
> Aleuts. http://www.rootsweb.com/~akahgp/Social/aleut.htm
> The Russians in turn were enslaved by the Mongols under the suzerainty of
> the Khanate of the Golden Horde for generations:
http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Article/398206

The Russians started screwing the Aleuts post 1732. The Mongols decimated Russia in the 1300s, making the statement that the Russians were subsequently enslaved by them any bloody thing but “subsequent.” And the website you provide for “proof” deals with the freakin Huns, who were running around Europe some three hundred years before the rise of the first Russian dynasty in Kiev.

And zzz, you need to crack a book now and again as well:

“> Arabs arrived in ancient Judea in the seventh century as a conquering army.

Wrong, oh bloody moron.”

The area we are talking about here was a Roman province that had been inherited by the Byzantine empire after the fall of the West in 476. It remained under Byzantine control (barring the occaisional invasion from Pre-Islam Persian dynasties) until it was conquered by the advancing armies of Islam between 636 (the Battle of Yarmuk, giving Islam control over most of Palestine) and the Fall of Jerusalem in 638. This was not a peaceful migration nor a peaceful cession of Byzantine power.

I don’t give a fat rat’s ass which side of the argument you are on, but get your history right if you’re going to use it to support your arguments.
tommy Says:
July 24th, 2006 at 12:45 am
Wrong, oh bloody moron.

So, why did you change your name oh eee? Why are you know calling yourself zzz?

Is it because people are tired of you?

Zzzzz….
zzzzz….

News:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060724/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060724/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_mideast_77;_ylt=Ats0s87HdX7njdp4Uig543EUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw–
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/741760.html
Modern Pharaoh Says:
August 5th, 2006 at 7:40 pm
Religion does not make terrorists. Terrorists are being made as we speak in Lebanon, all those displaced people, 700,000 of them, where will they go? all the people who saw the death and destruction from Israel, what will those kids end up being? all the hate they now have, all the anger….Israel has just created many many more terrorists!
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