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Sunday, 23 Jul 2006
I received an e-mail on the egyptian bloggers yahoo group, urging me to put this poster up on wendsday, which says "we are all resistance", in part of some campaign of all egyptian bloggers to boycott blogging for a day, to show how we stand with Lebanon against Zionist agression ( That same bloggers has pics up from the al azhar protests that took place on Friday ). I don't think I am going to join in. It's not because I support what Israel does in Lebanon, because you know that that's not the case, and it's not because of my dislike of Hezbollah, or the fact that it puts the Palestinian cause in the same boat with what's happening in Lebanon now, which I believe is a simplistic and dangerous thing to do. Those are not the reasons behind my decision, at all.
I am against it because it is freakin stupid and pointless. It's not like the Israelis will see the boycott and be like "oh no, we need to rethink our position on the whole Lebanon thing. Those bloggers need to start writing again!" and it's not like the lebanese will be like "They boycotted blogging for the day. Fantastic arabs those egyptians are. HA, that will show them israelis. Told you they wouldn't leave us to fend for ourselves". What will this "boycott" accomplish? I will tell you what. JACK SHIT!
Listen to me egyptian and arab bloggers for once. You want to help? Well, first of all you need to stop with the theatrics and the slogans. "We are all resistance"? Easy for you to say. You ain't getting bombed. So please, Shut the fuck up. If the israelis were bombing your neighbourhood, you would shit your underpants in 3 seconds. Stop posing, stop talking shit you can't back up, and stop repeating stupid ass slogans. The lebanese don't need slogans and talk from you. God knows that's all they got from you for the past 30 years. What they need is support.
So, here is my recommendation: Instead of posting this dumb ass poster on wednsday, how about you go around collecting money for food and medical supplies to be sent to Lebanon? How about you do a food or cloths drive? How about opening your homes to your lebanese bretheren the same way we did to the Kuwaitis when the Iraq invasion happened? Instead of a "we are all resistance" poster, how about a " Our homes are open for you" poster? You know, letting them come somewhere safe, instead of having them suffer the humiliation of going to Syria, the source of all of this crap in the first place?
Let's tell them: Dear lebanese people, let us be the first to say it. OUR HOMES ARE OPEN TO YOU until this is over. Come down to Egypt, it's safe, and it's not nearly as expensive as Jordan or as guilty as Syria. We will take you in until this is over. So please come down and stay until things calm down. I know that every single egyptian will do the same for you. Just go to Amman and from there to Cairo.
Let's show them that we are here for them, in action, not in words.
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:48 pm
Excellent post.
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:14 pm
Well said.
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:14 pm
It’s not like the Israelis will see the boycott and be like “oh no, we need to rethink our position
Do you not understand? The point of the boycott is to keep Arabs from thinking and to concentrate on building that blinding, hateful anger towards to Zionist enemy. You think you haven’t got it SM, but I feel that you are vulnerable.
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:42 pm
I think you rock, Sandmonkey. That is the best way to help these poor people right now, by giving them what they really need.
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:20 pm
Excellent post.
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:44 pm
SM, I understand youre not fond of this war. Neither am I. I do support Israels stand in this though. And I don’t understand why you don’t.
I wonder what you would do if there is a movement arising in the north of your your neighbouring country Sudan who is willing to destroy Egypt at all costs and is getting many military support from Iran and Lybia in order to reach this goal eventually. A movement which started with throwing rocks and now ending up with weapons which at least can hit quite into the middle of Egypt.
And this movement fires rockets into your land and one day comes into your land to kidnap two Egyptian soldiers…
Of course you could have done the prisoners swap, but hey, didn’t your country did that before? Not only with the Sudanese (resulting in three dead Egyptian soldiers for some Sudanese prisoners alive) but also with Coptic Christians (who want an own piece of land) and whose prisoner eventually turned out to be a maniac of first class?
How was this definition of insanity going again? Exactly, “Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.” That’s insanity.
I guess you know the expression: “the straw that broke the camel’s back”
This Hezbollah act was very well that particularly straw.
It is very unfortunate the Lebanese people, but also the Israeli people, have to suffer because of this.
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:47 pm
“we are all resistance”
Cool. Blow up another Sinai resort. Morons.
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:48 pm
By the way, you’re organising something yourself? (concerning clothings and medicine collection e.g.)
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:02 pm
Suzanne,
I love and support Israel - but the IDF is not going to keep anti-Hezbollah Arabs on their side with the way they’re conducting this campaign.
They had to make it clear, in more than just words, that they’re only targetting Hezbollah and Hezbollah related-infrastructure.
The pictures from the war don’t bear that out - especially to the Arab world - and even if the devastation in certain instances can be described as either “carelessness” or “necessary to stop Hezbollah” - that won’t go over well.
Arabs predisposed to like (or, rather, not hate) Israel still do not like to see large numbers of Arab civilians get killed or under seige - no matter what they think of Hezbollah.
If the fact is that to stop Hezbollah, the military campaign has to be executed this way (and I don’t know enough to know that this is a given), there’s no way to keep even 99% of reasonable Arabs on Israel’s side and against Hezbollah.
And I don’t blame them.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:04 pm
*rolling eyes*
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:19 pm
Great idea, Sandmonkey! Actions do speak louder than words. Egyptians opening their homes to Lebanese people fleeing the conflict would indeed be a message, loud and clear.
Here in Canada, the Canadian Red Cross is appealing for funds to help Lebanon in their time of need. At my place of work, we are collecting donations to be sent to the Red Cross for Lebanon.
Although as far as I can tell it will not happen, I try to imagine what would come next if Hezbollah returned the two Isreali soldiers unharmed…
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:25 pm
@SoCalJustice, I’m not blaming anyone for opposing this war. Especially not the Lebanese civilians who just want to live their lifes.
You said: “They had to make it clear, in more than just words, that they’re only targetting Hezbollah and Hezbollah related-infrastructure.”
How?
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:37 pm
By not killing so many non-Hezbollah related civilians and by not destroying so many non-Hezbollah related facilities.
I’m not saying it is easy thing to do, necessarily (I don’t know. I would guess that it’s not easy to determine what’s a good Hezbollah target and what’s not - when conducting an air campaign against a foreign country. BUT…), I’m just saying that is what they needed to be mindful of if, as part of the political goals of this war, they wanted to keep the anti-Hezbollah Arab people on their side.
It’s not enough to say “we have no problem with the Lebanese people and the Lebanese government, only Hezbollah” when a lot of the people dying and getting injured have nothing to do with Hezbollah and a lot of the infrastructure being destroyed has nothing to do with Hezbollah.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:51 pm
Actually, on the surface, it would be a great idea for Israelis to send food, medical supplies, etc to Lebanon.
However, I would wonder a) if the Lebanese would accept it and b) would Israel get any “credit” for it.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:58 pm
Suzanne,
BTW, I would not argue that the IDF should be limited in their campaign against Hezbollah only to what would keep what few Arabs that might support them in their war on their side.
I’m just saying we shouldn’t be surprised when Israel loses what few Arabs might support them when the pictures of the war yield lots of devastation against civilians and non-Hezbollah infrastructure.
I do wish anti-Hezbollah Arabs wouldn’t abandon the effort, I just can’t blame them for doing so and I understand why they don’t trust the IDF to be careful (in determining what is and what is not a Hezbollah target) here.
July 23rd, 2006 at 4:44 pm
Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:25 pm
Susanne: You said: “They had to make it clear, in more than just words, that they’re only targetting Hezbollah and Hezbollah related-infrastructure.”
How?
SoCalJustice Says:
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:37 pm
By not killing so many non-Hezbollah related civilians and by not destroying so many non-Hezbollah related facilities.
Moi:
Easy to say, not to do. Examine please THIS essay, posted above by SM.
http://www.mindbleed.com/?p=45 “Preach Brother, preach!”
July 23rd, 2006 at 5:02 pm
@SoCalJustice,
you said:
“I’m not saying it is easy thing to do, necessarily (I don’t know. I would guess that it’s not easy to determine what’s a good Hezbollah target and what’s not - when conducting an air campaign against a foreign country. BUT…),”
It is not only difficult to determine what’s a good Hezbollah target, but also difficult to exactly know where your target are. You think that Israel knows Lebanon thoroughly? That it knows exactly where things are situated? You cannot expect them to know every inch. And even if they knew, it is still possible that you are simply mistaken believing that target X was a military target.
The Israeli army is not an army which - without exception - wants to kill children and women; it is rather the opposite. Yet, for some reason the idea of the first approach exists.
Today I saw a picture of someone holding a banner stating that Israel was having its holocaust in Gaza and Westbank. Now, as Big Pharaoh pointed out as well, if that was the case, how come there are more Palestinians born a woman than Israeli? How come the Palestinian population in these areas grew very much instead of declined? Perhaps the IDF is not taht evil?
July 23rd, 2006 at 5:38 pm
Suzanne,
you cannot expect them to know every inch.
I don’t.
I was only really addressing why people like SM might not support the IDF the way you and I do.
I don’t think the IDF is evil. I’m not arguing against finally going after Hezbollah.
I’m just saying that the IDF cannot do it - especially this way - and expect the sensible people in the Arab world to be on board.
In your initial post, you wrote of SM, “I do support Israels stand in this though. And I don’t understand why you don’t.”
I’m just saying I understand why he doesn’t.
Do I wish he could? Yes. Do I wish the IDF could fight in a way that didn’t make that decision difficult for him? Yes. Can they? I don’t know. Maybe not. But if not, I don’t expect everyone to support what Israel is doing.
RLK
Easy to say, not to do.
I know. Read my second graph in the 3:37 post you quoted.
July 23rd, 2006 at 5:43 pm
Just to add (and perhaps counter my position), here’s a post at a blog that says it’s by members of the “Lebanese Forces”:
Hezbollahs Filthy Methods
http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/personal-opinions/hizbullah-s-filthy-methods/
For the past 11 days, we have seen Israel bomb all sorts of targets and I am sure most of us were wondering why would Israel bomb a certain factory or a construction yard or a truck..
If we can for a moment turn off all the local and international channels who have nothing to do but show little dead children and dismembered bodies that touch the viewer to a certain degree that it would blind them, and think about the reasons behind those hits.
From a military point of view, you have a fully equipped army, ranked in the top 5 armies in the world fighting against a guerrilla militia with absolutely no info on its fighters, weapons and locations.
Even though the Israeli army is way superior in terms of weapons, technology and size than Hezbollah, its war must be a very cautious and tactical one since its fighting a guerilla militia.
We have seen Israel for example hitting a tissue factory in a small village in the south. The reason for that would be Hezbollah move around with a missile in a truck, park near a factory and fire a rocket then flee. The origin of the rocket being the factory, Israelis respond by hitting it.
A witness to a similar action went on TV and urged Hezbollah fighters to stop coming into his village to shoot rockets and then run away since the village is being destroyed.
Same for the truck that was carrying civilians and that became very suspicious when it was not allowed to enter the UN offices.
Fighting a guerrilla is very hard and knowing that they could shoot from anywhere, we should expect attacks on unusual places.
It’s worth reading the whole thing…
July 23rd, 2006 at 5:46 pm
Yeaaaa, Come to Egypt. Send us your tired, beaten, broken, hot young Lebanese women yearning to breath free! My cousins would be more than happy to open their doors to you. Im sure we can find some clubs in Mohandeseen that remind you of Beirut!
July 23rd, 2006 at 6:08 pm
Hey, we have room for Lebanese hottis in Southern California too! Let the guys go to Egypt
July 23rd, 2006 at 6:29 pm
There was this house that Israel bombed the other day, and under the reckage all they could find is children bodies, there were no men in there.
Can someone tell me why would Israel target children ?
July 23rd, 2006 at 7:02 pm
Ahmad, like if you can see children in a buidling from out of an air plane. They target places, because military activitiy had been there. You know - i hope as well - that the weaponry Hezbollah uses is very mobile. This means they can go with it anywhere and everywhere.
Why don’t you curse Hezbollah for moving in between civilians?
Well?
July 23rd, 2006 at 7:03 pm
You think they do this on purpose, Ahmad?
Why should they do this on purpose if they go through all the trouble to save lives when they can?
Look:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3279817,00.html
Tse.
July 23rd, 2006 at 7:08 pm
Can someone tell me why would Muslims target children ?
SCHOOLGIRL DIES AFTER BEING SHOT IN INDONESIA
The attack closely follows the beheading of three Christian schoolgirls on October 29 and represents a further escalation of the situation. Ida Sambue, Theresa, and Alfita,were on their way to a Christian school they attend with 150 other children when they were attacked. A fourth girl, Noviana,was left seriously injured.
The heads of the girls were reportedly found separately inside plastic bags, with a warning written on them that another 100 Christian teenagers would be killed. It is feared that this latest shooting is linked to the fulfilment of this threat.
July 23rd, 2006 at 7:16 pm
@SoCalJustice,
Why can’t I leave a msg at that blog you mentioned? I get the flwg msg:
~~~Error: This file cannot be used on its own.~~~
Why?
Tse.
July 23rd, 2006 at 7:28 pm
Tse:
I don’t know - I didn’t try.
Someone emailed me the link and I thought would add to the discussion here.
July 23rd, 2006 at 7:37 pm
“Listen to me egyptian and arab bloggers for once. You want to help? Well, first of all you need to stop with the theatrics and the slogans. “We are all resistance”? Easy for you to say.”
Arab help brought Lebanon nothing but trouble. Arabs, keep out. We have enough problems already.
July 23rd, 2006 at 9:53 pm
as always the sandmonkey is the voice of reason incarnate
query,
if i do manage to organize something , and get useful bits and bobs how would i get it to lebanon ? are you doing something?
July 23rd, 2006 at 9:59 pm
Getting goods inside either would go through Hezbollah, or through Israel or through an international force which is still not stationed there.
I think.
It depends who you would want to give the credits.
July 23rd, 2006 at 11:32 pm
[...] As Israeli warplanes continues to bomb civilian targets, thousands of families evacuate the cities to safer territories. But even civilians who are making their perilious escape are not safe from Israeli strikes. SandMonkey writes a admonishes his “Brother Arabs” on the idea of helping Lebanon but pours vitriol on their hyperbolic and insubstantial offers of generosity: Let’s tell them: Dear lebanese people, let us be the first to say it. OUR HOMES ARE OPEN TO YOU until this is over. Come down to Egypt, it’s safe, and it’s not nearly as expensive as Jordan or as guilty as Syria. We will take you in until this is over. So please come down and stay until things calm down. I know that every single egyptian will do the same for you. Just go to Amman and from there to Cairo. [...]
July 24th, 2006 at 12:01 am
could i suggest that you have a word with your goverment and recommend they stop funding isreal
alturnatively you could fly a a plain into the pentigon (as apossed to what ever hit it lat time) or maybe try feeding mr bush a packet of pretzels
July 24th, 2006 at 12:36 am
my home is open for haifa anytime, can’t make any promises about safe though
sorry couldn’t resist ***ducks***
July 24th, 2006 at 2:27 am
I believe Passover is the most apt analogy. In celebration of the liberation from bondage, you have a wonderful meal of delicious food and drink (4 glasses of wine, minimum), with singing and rejoicing, intellectual conversations and recitations of poetry, attended by friends and family alike that extends late into the night. But first, you have to purge your house of leavening, which is back-breaking work involving boiling water, acetylene torches, various noxious solvents, and hours and hours of scrubbing.
Lebanon is enslaved by Hezbollah. We all want to celebrate Lebanon’s freedom - Muslim, Christian, and Jew alike. But first, Lebanon must be purged of HA, which will be back-breaking and unpleasant work. Israel can do much of it, but it can’t do all of it. The people of Lebanon have to help, ultimately. And everyone has to stand back and let it happen. Later on, after HA has been eliminated, we can rebuild Lebanon (though nothing can bring back the lives that are lost, sadly). I know that the American Jewish community will pitch in, and I certainly hope that Israel helps as well.
The Israelis have no interest in being Lebanon’s master. They just want to live in peace, start up a high-tech business, and then get rich in an IPO on the NASDAQ.
Happy Passover!
July 24th, 2006 at 3:47 am
Israel should stop attacking Hezbollah when Hassan Nasrallah agrees to the right of Israel to exist.
July 24th, 2006 at 7:46 am
There is no democracy in the world that should tolerate missiles being fired at its cities without taking every reasonable step to stop the attacks. The big question raised by Israel’s military actions in Lebanon is what is “reasonable.” The answer, according to the laws of war, is that it is reasonable to attack military targets, so long as every effort is made to reduce civilian casualties. If the objectives cannot be achieved without some civilian casualties, these must be “proportional” to the civilian casualties that would be prevented by the military action.
When you hide a missile launcher in a home, IMHO, the people in that home can no longer be considered “civilians.”
Is everyone forgetting that Chirac said he would nuke any state that sent terrorist into Fwance.The same Chirac who told Israel it is using a disproportional amount of force.
I think there is no such thing as proportionate response against terror muzzies… because if they get some nasty stuff on their hands anytime, they will use it indescriminately whoever the target will be…
I see them as viruses on earth… if we have the best weapon to completelY wipe them out then we should…
July 24th, 2006 at 7:46 am
There is no democracy in the world that should tolerate missiles being fired at its cities without taking every reasonable step to stop the attacks. The big question raised by Israel’s military actions in Lebanon is what is “reasonable.” The answer, according to the laws of war, is that it is reasonable to attack military targets, so long as every effort is made to reduce civilian casualties. If the objectives cannot be achieved without some civilian casualties, these must be “proportional” to the civilian casualties that would be prevented by the military action.
When you hide a missile launcher in a home, IMHO, the people in that home can no longer be considered “civilians.”
Is everyone forgetting that Chirac said he would nuke any state that sent terrorist into Fwance.The same Chirac who told Israel it is using a disproportional amount of force.
I think there is no such thing as proportionate response against terror muzzies… because if they get some nasty stuff on their hands anytime, they will use it indescriminately whoever the target will be…
I see them as viruses on earth… if we have the best weapon to completelY wipe them out then we should…
July 24th, 2006 at 7:49 am
How many of those casualties on the Hezbollah side were in fact terrorist, co-conspirators, safe houses, etc. vs. actual true innocents? How many islamic terrorist males chose to have their families act as human shields?
And finally why is the proportionality so whacked out if Israel is not bombing all willy-nilly and Hezbollah is bombing civilian areas in Israel? Could it actually be because the people of Israel value their citizenry and most of them have safe places to go to? Verses the Hezbollah use of their citizens as shields, propaganda, and hailing them as martyrs for the cause?
I think the latter is very important to consider, especially when the enemy, radical islam, does not acknowledge civilians as separate from military action.
“The term ‘civilians’ does not exist in Islamic religious law,” said Hani Al-Siba’i, head of the Al-Maqreze Centre for Historical Studies in London.” http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45221
July 24th, 2006 at 7:51 am
Op-ed by Professor Dershowitz: Arithmetic of Pain
Post Date: July 21, 2006
Alan Dershowitz
The following op-ed by Professor Alan Dershowitz, Arithmetic of Pain, was published in The Wall Street Journal on July 19, 2006.
There is no democracy in the world that should tolerate missiles being fired at its cities without taking every reasonable step to stop the attacks. The big question raised by Israel’s military actions in Lebanon is what is “reasonable.” The answer, according to the laws of war, is that it is reasonable to attack military targets, so long as every effort is made to reduce civilian casualties. If the objectives cannot be achieved without some civilian casualties, these must be “proportional” to the civilian casualties that would be prevented by the military action.
This is all well and good for democratic nations that deliberately locate their military bases away from civilian population centers. Israel has its air force, nuclear facilities and large army bases in locations as remote as anything can be in that country. It is possible for an enemy to attack Israeli military targets without inflicting “collateral damage” on its civilian population. Hezbollah and Hamas, by contrast, deliberately operate military wings out of densely populated areas. They launch antipersonnel missiles with ball-bearing shrapnel, designed by Syria and Iran to maximize civilian casualties, and then hide from retaliation by living among civilians. If Israel decides not to go after them for fear of harming civilians, the terrorists win by continuing to have free rein in attacking civilians with rockets. If Israel does attack, and causes civilian casualties, the terrorists win a propaganda victory: The international community pounces on Israel for its “disproportionate” response. This chorus of condemnation actually encourages the terrorists to operate from civilian areas.
While Israel does everything reasonable to minimize civilian casualties — not always with success — Hezbollah and Hamas want to maximize civilian casualties on both sides. Islamic terrorists, a diplomat commented years ago, “have mastered the harsh arithmetic of pain. . . . Palestinian casualties play in their favor and Israeli casualties play in their favor.” These are groups that send children to die as suicide bombers, sometimes without the child knowing that he is being sacrificed. Two years ago, an 11-year-old was paid to take a parcel through Israeli security. Unbeknownst to him, it contained a bomb that was to be detonated remotely. (Fortunately the plot was foiled.)
This misuse of civilians as shields and swords requires a reassessment of the laws of war. The distinction between combatants and civilians — easy when combatants were uniformed members of armies that fought on battlefields distant from civilian centers — is more difficult in the present context. Now, there is a continuum of “civilianality”: Near the most civilian end of this continuum are the pure innocents — babies, hostages and others completely uninvolved; at the more combatant end are civilians who willingly harbor terrorists, provide material resources and serve as human shields; in the middle are those who support the terrorists politically, or spiritually.
The laws of war and the rules of morality must adapt to these realities. An analogy to domestic criminal law is instructive: A bank robber who takes a teller hostage and fires at police from behind his human shield is guilty of murder if they, in an effort to stop the robber from shooting, accidentally kill the hostage. The same should be true of terrorists who use civilians as shields from behind whom they fire their rockets. The terrorists must be held legally and morally responsible for the deaths of the civilians, even if the direct physical cause was an Israeli rocket aimed at those targeting Israeli citizens.
Israel must be allowed to finish the fight that Hamas and Hezbollah started, even if that means civilian casualties in Gaza and Lebanon. A democracy is entitled to prefer the lives of its own innocents over the lives of the civilians of an aggressor, especially if the latter group contains many who are complicit in terrorism. Israel will — and should — take every precaution to minimize civilian casualties on the other side. On July 16, Hasan Nasrallah, the head of Hezbollah, announced there will be new “surprises,” and the Aska Martyrs Brigade said that it had developed chemical and biological weapons that could be added to its rockets. Should Israel not be allowed to pre-empt their use?
Israel left Lebanon in 2000 and Gaza in 2005. These are not “occupied” territories. Yet they serve as launching pads for attacks on Israeli civilians. Occupation does not cause terrorism, then, but terrorism seems to cause occupation. If Israel is not to reoccupy to prevent terrorism, the Lebanese government and the Palestinian Authority must ensure that these regions cease to be terrorist safe havens.
Mr. Dershowitz is a professor of law at Harvard.
July 24th, 2006 at 8:10 am
Des manifestations [b]“pacifiques”[/b] que l’on montrera pas sur nos télés
[img]http://static.flickr.com/52/193263584_3411c10203.jpg[/img]
et il y en a d’autres sur
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Incroyable ce qu’ils ont sur leurs pancartes ces gros cons: “islamic thinkers”.
On a le droit de penser dans l’islam? Je croyais qu’il fallait juste s’abrutir à réciter le coran et [b]surtout[/b] ne pas penser par soi-même.
J’aime bien lire “Any treaty with Israel is not binding on islamic nations”.
Faudra la ressortir à ceux qui veulent qu’Israël “négocie”, parce que ça coupe court à toute négociation.
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cool le drapeau islamic sur la maison blanche et avec un tel message …[/quote]
July 24th, 2006 at 9:30 am
There is no democracy in the world that should tolerate missiles being fired at its cities without taking every reasonable step to stop the attacks. The big question raised by Israel’s military actions in Lebanon is what is “reasonable.” The answer, according to the laws of war, is that it is reasonable to attack military targets, so long as every effort is made to reduce civilian casualties. If the objectives cannot be achieved without some civilian casualties, these must be “proportional” to the civilian casualties that would be prevented by the military action.
When you hide a missile launcher in a home, IMHO, the people in that home can no longer be considered “civilians.”
Is everyone forgetting that Chirac said he would nuke any state that sent terrorist into Fwance.The same Chirac who told Israel it is using a disproportional amount of force.
I think there is no such thing as proportionate response against terror muzzies… because if they get some nasty stuff on their hands anytime, they will use it indescriminately whoever the target will be…
I see them as viruses on earth… if we have the best weapon to completelY wipe them out then we should…
July 24th, 2006 at 9:30 am
The world is fortunate that UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan and the UN were not around during World War II. Otherwise they would have deplored and condemned the Allied campaign for tearing Germany “to shreds” (”Kofi Annan: Hizbullah is ‘deplorable,’ but Israel has torn Lebanon ‘to shreds’”). Annan would either not have survived, since he was not a member of the Super Race, or he would be speaking German today.
Total defeat of Germany and Japan, despite the loss of innocent civilian life, was what turned these two war-mongering countries into peaceful members of the civilized world. Nothing less than unconditional surrender was acceptable then, and nothing less is acceptable today.
Perhaps unarmed UN observers and their families, including Kofi Annan and his family, could station themselves in the frontline Israeli cities of the northern Galilee and along the Gaza Strip? This way, he could judge for himself the effectiveness of the UN efforts in the Middle East, especially such operations such as UNIFIL and UNRWA.
Aa quote from Kofi Annan with former prime minister Ehud Barak of June 21, 2000, was printed: “I did tell Mr. Nasrallah that Hizbullah exercised restraint, responsibility and discipline after the withdrawal and that we would want to see that continue, and I am sure from the indications that he gave me that he intends to do it.”
July 24th, 2006 at 9:35 am
Some South Lebanon residents losing patience with Hizbollah
HASBAYA, Lebanon (Reuters) - Caught between Hizbollah rocket fire and Israeli air strikes, some residents of southern Lebanon are losing patience with the guerrilla group they blame for a war that is costing them lives.
Anger spilled over into open accusations at the funeral at the weekend of a Druze man killed in an Israeli air raid on the border village of Fardees.
The man was buried in Hasbaya, a neighboring Druze town a few miles further from the border, where residents are wary of any outside presence in their midst.
“We are all for resistance against Israel but they have no right to fire their rockets and then come and hide between our houses,” shouted Nazih Sliqa, a resident of Fardees, his face florid with anger and grief.
“Is Hassan Nasrallah standing here in the line of fire? We came here after the Israelis hit our village, after these people who claim they are resistance fired and hid in our village,” he said, referring to the leader of Shi’ite Muslim Hizbollah
July 24th, 2006 at 9:37 am
I am getting tired of hearing the words, “shame on Israel.”
Shame on those who kill children in the name of God. If the IDF were to disarm Hizbullah and Hamas, hostilities would cease that day. If Israel disarmed it would cease to exist.
July 24th, 2006 at 12:08 pm
What the Israeli response can never be called is a police action. Police asks foreign countries for allowing them in their jurisdiction, the army is very very rarely deployed, no villages are taken over, there is accountability for any civilian deaths and lastly, there are no heads of state saying they will push the (foreign) country back 20 years.
I strongly suggest seeing the Daily Show clip titled “Musical Montage”, in which Jon Stewart makes comparisons between the Edebe hostage situation and today’s operations. Says it all really.
July 24th, 2006 at 3:43 pm
OP, “police action” doesn’t seem to mean what you claim it does.
July 24th, 2006 at 3:56 pm
I think that was my point, Craig.
July 24th, 2006 at 7:14 pm
Uh-Oh!
If Nasrallah is being truth (which is admittedly a big ‘if’), then the Lebanese government did indeed know that Hezbollah was seriously considering kidnapping Israeli troops:
http://hotair.com/archives/top-picks/2006/07/24/israeli-offensive-doomed-to-fail/
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July 24th, 2006 at 9:08 pm
Ah, information gleaned from a segment on the Daily Show… Truly insightful…