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Wednesday, 26 Jul 2006
This is brilliant:
Hezballah: poke-poke-poke
Israel: Cut it out!
Hezballah: poke-poke-poke
Israel: I'm serious, cut it out!
Hezballah: poke-poke-poke
[Israel slaps Hezballah]
Hezballah to Lebanon: Mom! He hit me!
Lebanon: Stop whining. I have other things to deal with.
Hezballah: poke-poke-poke
[Israel slaps Hezballah again]
Hezballah: You wanna piece of me? Come and get it.
America:
Stop that fighting back there! Hezballah, try to stop poking, OK?
You're bothering your mum. And you, Israel, keep your hands to yourself.Israel: Yes, dad.
Hezballah: poke-poke-poke
[Israel slaps Hezballah again]
Hezballah: Mom! He hit me again!
Lebanon [distracted]: mm hmm
Hezballah: poke-poke-poke
[Israel punches Hezballah in the face, drawing blood]
Hezballah, touching his nose and then staring at the blood: Oh Sh*t! What did you do that for?
hehehe
July 26th, 2006 at 1:45 pm
i guess this story, to better describe the reality , should include raping the mother and mutilation of some brothers of this nasty child as a just retaliation to his acts.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:59 pm
Amgad, can’t you even enjoy a good sketch without applying your ideology?
July 26th, 2006 at 2:06 pm
Amgad, thanks for sharing. Duhh
July 26th, 2006 at 2:10 pm
This is a macabre sketch that disrespects the reality and I can not enjoy a joke about human lives being lost in hundreds in the quest of the Zionist state to achieve overwhelming supremacy over her neighbours.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:14 pm
I have two sons, and I live with this scenario about twice a day. And they usually play the same roles. I tell the pest (the older one, for what it’s worth) that one of these days his little brother is going to “knock his block off,” and that I’m going to let him do it.
I also watch them like a hawk, and send them to separate rooms when things start to get too intense. Too bad we don’t have similar options when it comes to nations.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:15 pm
There will never be peace anywhere in the world until people like Amgad learn to have a little warm, human sympathy for the rest of God’s children.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:31 pm
The only thing I’d change is this:
Hezballah to Kofi Annan: Mom! He hit me!
July 26th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
Amgad, the ability to laugh at the perverse is(for me) one of the defining characteristics of being human- humans are the mammal that laughs.I’m reminded of an observation of Heinlin’s I find to be very true:We laugh because we are afraid.I’m afraid for my people.We aren’t monsters, we do everything in our power not to kill innocents, yet sometimes we do just that- and I fear the moment my people will *cease to care* that we do.For then my people will be no more, there will only be monsters that wear the faces my dead people wore.And you better also be afraid of that moment, Amgad- because then civilian casualties will be counted in the thousands and tens of thousands, instead of the hundreds.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:36 pm
Mrs Valerie,
How could you say such a severe personal accusation? I have never encouraged or sympathize with any kind of violence.
i have compassion for all human beings and therefore the actions of your states horrifies and disgusts me. Why do not you, the Israelis, show some” warm, human sympathy for the rest of God’s children” and embrace all the people in the territory controlled by your state and give them equal rights and their lives equal worth, regardless of religion or ethnicity.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:39 pm
Thanks very much for the link, Sandmonkey. I appreciate the attention.
I’m going to have to put some sort of note at the bottom of that post, since so many new readers are coming over who, not being familiar with me, have no way to know that this post represents but a slice of my world outlook.
I very much appreciate that so many people find the post funny. I, too, laughed grimly when I read the Yahoo article that my post “interprets.”
However, I do recognize that the “mom” in this post is getting badly hurt, too. And I recognize that, while many, if not most, of the parties/countries/entities in the Middle East have the personalities of disturbed children, they are children with very powerful and deadly weapons, and ultimately this is not a laughing matter.
As an Israeli, I pray for the innocent Israelis AND Lebanese who are being injured, killed, or just stressed out by the situation we have now, and I very much hope that somehow, someday, this will all lead to a Lebanon that is powerful enough, strong enough, and neighborly enough to deal SWIFTLY AND FIRMLY with the “child who pokes,” and an Israel that knows how to WISELY stop the poking (though, it’s difficult for me to see what choice we had at this point, given that nothing else has worked, and that Hezballah bunkers out in the middle of civilian residential neighborhoods. Damn, damn, damn Hezballah for attacking us! And damn them again for forcing us to kill innocent people! As Golda Meir wisely said, “We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children, but we cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill theirs.”)
Damn.
Damn.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:02 pm
Amgad asks:
“Why do not you, the Israelis, . . . embrace all the people in the territory controlled by your state and give them equal rights and their lives equal worth, regardless of religion or ethnicity.”
I cannot speak for all of Israel’s actions. I agree that the occupation is necessary, but not with all the ways it is administered, nor with the growth of the settlements.
That having been said, I think it’s safe to say that some answers to Amgad’s questions are:
a) We cannot grant them rights as Israeli citizens, because it would mean the end of a Jewish state of any kind, no matter how geographically tiny. Israel has long been trying to allow the Palestinians some dignified way of becoming citizens of another country. They tried giving the West Bank back to Jordan, for example, and Jordan refused it. They signed the Oslo accords toward granting the Palestinians their own state, but for many reasons, some Israel’s fault and many the Palestinians’, Oslo never came to fruition. Most Israelis know very well that the only way to have peace is for everyone to live in dignity — but we’re stymied as to how to make that happen without risking our necks.
b) Israel can’t end the occupation under conditions that benefit the Palestinians, unless it leads to a sustainable peace. Why SHOULD Israel “embrace” the people in the territories, when doing so leads to more dead Israelis?
c) Ending the occupation unilaterally ALSO leads to more violence, as evidenced by the the rise of Hamas, the increased incidence of rockets on israel since the withdrawal from Gaza last summer.
Basically, Israel is stuck between a rock and a hard place. We’re damned if we do, damned if we don’t.
The vast majority would GLADLY retreat to the ‘67 borders if we KNEW, knew with UTMOST CERTAINTY, that doing so would mean that our neighbors would leave us alone. But you can’t be so dishonest as to suggest that if we withdrew, the surrounding Arab states would not claim it as a “victory” and try to annihilate us entirely.
Finally, I should point out that Israel DOES have freedom of religion, and its citizenry is made up of Jews, Muslims, and Christians of MANY ethnicities, from Ethiopian Jews to Druze Arabs to Russian Christians to Jews from, yes, Lebanon. Yes, there are problems of discrimination, but the Israeli government does bend over backwards to protect the mosques in both the pre’67 borders and in the territories, and though you’ll find lots of discrimination, you won’t find anyone who is being prohibited from practicing the religion of their choice. I would love see Jews have the freedom to practice Judaism in Algeria, Syria, or Iran to the extent that Muslims can practice Islam in Israel.
Again, I do not claim to defend everything Israel ever does or how they do it. But the essential basics, that our country exists as a sovereign state, that we have the right to defend it, and that the “silent majority” of Arabs who would like to live in peace are being shot in the foot by their terrorist brothers, are all correct.
I cry for us, the Children of Abraham.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:08 pm
Sarah,
Good points…but collaborators don’t get shot in the foot.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:11 pm
Ronn-
I don’t understand your point.
I’m not trying to evade you. I sincerely do not understand what you are getting at. Please clarify.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:13 pm
Also, I do have to work a little today, you know, earn a living . . . so if I don’t post back here in response to you, Ronn, it’s just because I’m trying to get stuff done for my clients. I’ll be back here as soon as I can.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:15 pm
@Ronn, I think her point was about the moderate Arab public in general, rather then specific individuals.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:33 pm
So I guess the Mom wears the pants in the family doesnt she?
July 26th, 2006 at 5:47 pm
Amgad,
Don’t worry about such comments, you will develop thick skin by time and learn that some people resort to cheap shots when they disagree.
Sarah,
I’m very sad to see your logic and denial is your enemy. There will be no justice or peace because of your logic.
Your post is totally out of line and I’m not sure why you should be quoted but it is SM’s blog not mine.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:54 pm
LOL on your post SM. What many seem to miss is how the humour in the “poke poke poke ” analogy actually illustrates the absolute absurdity of the relationship between the two parties. If it weren’t all so sad, it would just be pathetic. So many dead for what in the end is nothing more than differences in religion and ideology. Strip the two and suddenly, there is no more war. Territorial wars have occured throughout history and sanity prevails for the most part and both sides of each war passify and move forward. In almost every case once peace has been established and allowed to take hold for a long enough duration, lands are returned by occupiers and history becomes water under the bridge. Think American beats Japan in WWII, occupies it until stability ensues and Japan is returned to the Japanese.
It’s this fucking poke poke poke that keeps the problem festering, no if’s and;s or butts about it. Hez does not want to stop poking because without Israel it’s existence is meaningless.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:01 pm
Absolutely hilarious BP. But if the USA is the mom of the world we are all in big trouble. The USA as mom isn’t just distracted; she is a crack whore of a mom willing to use her kids to satisfy her needs. Ok maybe that’s a bit overblown, but God save us if my country is the Mother of the World.
As a kid I remember asking my mother who she loved best, me or one of my brothers. Her answer, I love you all for who you are, never quite satisfied me. I don’t think it satisfies any child with siblings. Aren’t the fundamentalist loonies of all 3 Abrahamic religions like children, constantly fighting to prove they have Gods favor though He tells us over and over and over that He loves all of us? Just an observation.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:14 pm
@chellebelle:
Apt observation.As someone once observed, the definition of a religious fanatc is “the guy who tries to do what God would have done, had he known all the facts”
July 26th, 2006 at 6:54 pm
“I’m very sad to see your logic and denial is your enemy. There will be no justice or peace because of your logic.”
You haven’t argued any of the points she made. Her logic seemed perfectly honest to me, saying that Arabs would continue the fight against Israel no matter what land they gain. I think as Arabs we have to admit this, that there is a significant population that will never except anything but the total destruction of this “enemy”, and if we are to work towards peace, this needs to be fixed through our future generations. These are t hings that cannot be denied, the attitudes that continue to exist in our cultures and societies. As long as we view Israel as an enemy, there will always be a reason to start a war, no matter how many times we lose.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
More like Israel punches Lebanon in the face, drawing blood.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:41 pm
Yeah, where does the part come in when little Israel kills his mother?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:59 pm
Since 2000, Hizbullah violated the Blue Line on the Israeli-Lebanese border 100 times, while Israeli violated that line 11,782 times. (These numbers are based on UN observers and were cited by Lebanese Speaker of Parliament in his interview with Al-Arabiya TV).
and sandmonkey is right.
more like house arab.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:08 pm
@anonymous: can you link to the reports by the UN observers,*not* the interview with the Lebanese speaker please, as that may be biased.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:04 pm
Not sure if I am supposed to laugh.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:08 pm
Amgad
I don’t think SM is mocking the tradgedy of human murder…
he’s pointing out that the basic concepts of human behavior that are relevent to the entire issue can be reduced to concepts of right and wrong that my 3 year old understands better than the IDF and Hezbollah… ( and you for that matter)
July 26th, 2006 at 9:32 pm
Kofi Annan would be more like the drunk, passed out uncle in the trunck. He oly starts yelling when the noise gets to loud, and only until someone answers him.
Jeez, everybody, I chilled out! Why can’t you a bit. Twosret, I know I got a bit shitty with you a few weeks ago, and I’m sorry. Agreeing to disagree is more of a diplomatic answer. I just wish Isreal and the “aggressive” followers of Islam could learn to get along. This skit does strike close to home as I have two sons, aged 9 and 4. They fight constantly. I work overtime so their mother has to deal with them. Sometimes bending them over your knee and beating the crap out of them is the only thing that works (no, not to the leval of child abuse), not just one, but both. You can never tell when one eggs the other on, and looks like the innocent victom.
I think Isreal had a right to react, but not to the degree that they did.
How should the rest of the world react? I agree to the US 10-14 day deadline, but I really think that we should have told them to stop after the first day or two. If they don’t, cut all but humanitarian aid.
Hezbollah and Hamas needs to go the way of the PLO and become an organization that can recognize laws and rules, not rockets and suicide bombs. If they can’t, then we let Isreal out to play with them a bit more.
Lebenon needs to get it’s shit together. I don’t believe in sanctions against them, as they are fairly badly torn up right now, but the buffer zone is a good idea. A UN mandated strip, 2 km wide the entire length of the border. No military from either side inside. Also, they need to rein in Hezbollah or send them packing.
The problem is, I can see them each agreeing with their fingers crossed behind their backs. That is why I am so pessemistic about the future of the mideast.
The Crazy White Boy
in
Mansfield, Ohio, USA
July 26th, 2006 at 10:13 pm
sure antonguru
you can find just ONE example observed by the UN here
http://english.people.com.cn/english/200106/02/eng20010602_71613.html
ill see if i cant find more
July 26th, 2006 at 10:28 pm
and:
Beirut, 03 February 2003 (UN Information Centre) - The following statement is attributable to Staffan de Mistura, Personal Representative of the Secretary-General for Southern Lebanon:
The United Nations is deeply concerned that air violations by Israel across the Blue Line are continuing to take place and, in fact, seem to have increased in the past few days.
Reports indicate that these overflights have taken place in various regions of Lebanon, sometimes at low altitude and over populated areas. On several occasions these led to sonic booms.
According to UNIFIL, yesterday there were 6 aerial violations of the Blue Line. In addition, it appears that the pattern of avoiding direct flights over UNIFIL’s area of operation and entering Lebanese airspace further north is also continuing.
There have also been reports of anti-aircraft fire emanating from Lebanon and directed across the Blue Line.
The aerial violations and the response to them create a potential for escalation in an already very tense regional situation.
Just recently, on 30 January 2003, the Security Council adopted resolution 1461 and in it expressed great concern about the “serious breaches and the air, sea and land violations of the withdrawal line and urged the parties to put an end to these violations.”
The United Nations again calls on all parties to refrain from all further violations, cautions them that such actions serve only to heighten tension and reiterates that one violation does not justify another.
July 26th, 2006 at 10:40 pm
Your little tale doesn’t illustrate the dynamic of the conflict, it’s a cynical parody that tries to mask the ongoing tragedy, purposedly ignoring the reality of this war as if the lebanese victims and the destruction of the country shouldn’t even be registered …when was the last time we heard “mummy jokes” when civilians were bombed trying to evacuate a war zone? I’m surprised that you find it funny Sandmonkey, and your “humour” disgusts me Sarah
July 26th, 2006 at 10:51 pm
I think Hizballah wanted this war ! In my opinion, Nasrallah is a very clever guy. (Doesn´t mean I support Hizballah)
“The war is leading us by the nose to sink deeper in the Lebanese mud. The Hezbollah wants to drag us into its territory. The moment the army will be in Lebanon for an extended period, it will be hell for us in there,” said Ran Cohen, a dovish lawmaker and a colonel in the Israeli army reserves. “The deeper we get drawn in, the worse it will be.”
July 26th, 2006 at 11:25 pm
#31
Oh I don’t know mate……… I get what you’re saying, but on the other hand it’s a perfect illustration of just how much a bunch of children we are as a race….. very fucked up kids……but kids nonetheless. If the lord of all creation is laughing at any of this, I’m pretty sure it’s the manic laughter that goes hand in hand with tears streaming, repeatedly slamming his head against a door frame with the frustration of it all.
July 27th, 2006 at 12:16 am
# 31
Eh?
Thank you for showing us that there are still humans in this world. I’m shocked at SM finding this shitty post brilliant!. When people over the world can’t enjoy their lives, saddness is killing us and our life is bitter over the war.
Disgusting is the least I can say. Shame!
July 27th, 2006 at 12:22 am
Wishbone,
I would like to see the sense of humor or stupid dark humor of Sarah when she put her family to the grave. I want to see how she feels.
July 27th, 2006 at 12:51 am
A wise man once said, “It is better to laugh then cry”. It’s a crock of shit in my book, but some people are that way.
I don’t like what’s going on, but it just seems like history is repeating itself. Isn’t this how the 1982 invasion happened? Someone picking at Isreal until they snapped?
I respect everybody’s view out there, but just try to see it from your opponent’s point of view.
Lebenese and other Arab countries, imagine being alone, surrounded by enemies, your only real friend on the other side of the world and does not like to trouble itself with your defence. Some of your neighbors are more beligerant that others. You have fought a number of wars to fight for what you’ve got. You protect it with every ounce of your being. You have one ace in the hole, but it is one you never want to have to use, but will if forced. Now one of you neighbors is showing a blind eye to a group of thugs shooting rockets over the border at you. Then, some get brave enough to cross the border and kidnap some soldiers to try to use them as a bargining chip. That was the straw the broke the camel’s back. You attack, but keep yourself restrained. (Before you remind me about the civilian deaths, remeber that 60,000 civilians died in one night in Dresden). One is too many, but hundreds should be expected.
Now Isrealis,
Someone you have never even heard of gave your holy land to the “outcasts of Europe”. Now you see this as wrong, and attack them. You underestimate their ferocity and are beaten back in several wars. You try to maintain the peace, knowing of the ace in the hole, but “everybody knows” that the terrorists are based in your country. You and the governement turn a blind eye because it hurts the evil aggrassors. You cheer them on as they “tickle the dragon”. Now they bite back hard, and you just want them to stop. You want the terrorists to leave and take their fight with them.
Well, I can se validity in both ways. I just seem to lean more towards the Isreali point of view. They seem to be willing to live in peace, and some one is always pulling their chains.
We can always hope the kids will eventually learn to get along.
July 27th, 2006 at 1:18 am
You guys complain about a humorous analogy that does not make fun of killing and is not insensitive to anyone that is injured and then you complain about cheap shots when people disagree with you?
What a bunch of poodles…
bark, bark, bark, barkkkkkkkkk
July 27th, 2006 at 1:24 am
FN,
your reference to dogs shows that your culture doesn’t respect dogs, I guess if you don’t respect people how can you respect dogs.
July 27th, 2006 at 1:41 am
I like your kids analogy. I also find that Hamas and Hezbollah also act like 3 year olds throwing a temper tantrum when they feel they are not getting enough attention.
In particular, the statement earlier this week from Hezbollah where they said they were upset that the rest of the Arab states have not come to their aid. They said they are very angry that the rest of the world has not rushed in to protect Lebanon from Israel agression.
It amazed me that these people think they are the center of the universe. News Flash! The rest of the world has their own lives and problems. Why do we have to drop everything and jump through hoops everytime something happens to you?
There are plenty of other bad things going on that also require our attention. There are natural disasters such as fires, droughts, tsunamis, volcanos, hurricanes, and floods going on. There are other wars going on in Iraq, Afganistan, Africa (Sudan anyone?). There are disasters to deal with. There is the day to day business of staying alive and feeding and educating our children.
As far as I can tell, there is no mass starvation going on in your little area of the world. You seem to have plenty of money and time to buy weapons and run around killing each other. There are no large natural disasters going on. No… it all seems to be self inflicted damage over small peices of real estate.
Earth to the Palastinians and Hezbollah… GROW UP for god’s sake.
July 27th, 2006 at 2:45 am
Twosret, was that some kind of threat? Are you threatening violence against Sarah or her family? Cause that just takes your viciousness to a whole new level.
July 27th, 2006 at 2:53 am
Threat what threat are you talking about? you must have a comprehension problem. Other people are putting their families to grave when Sarah is poking fun around. My post was simply saying that if she experience death from war she won’t entertain the same scenario.
It is unthoughtful and inhuman to start joking about war.
Don’t assume and jump into conclusions I’m not imtimidated by your likes Rivkale . Go back to your hole and meditate on your crazy thoughts more before you open your mouth with nonsense.
July 27th, 2006 at 2:59 am
My God, you have some serious issues, don’t you, Twosret? “My likes”?
July 27th, 2006 at 3:02 am
Since 2000, Hizbullah violated the Blue Line on the Israeli-Lebanese border 100 times, while Israeli violated that line 11,782 times. (These numbers are based on UN observers
July 27th, 2006 at 3:03 am
Whatever!
July 27th, 2006 at 3:05 am
IA, wasn’t that the same comment with the SAME WORDS used before? What’s going on here? Are you guys copying each other?
July 27th, 2006 at 3:06 am
Morality is not on our side
By Ze’ev Maoz
Haaretz (Israel), July 25, 2006
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/742257.html
There’s practically a holy consensus right now
that the war in the North is a just war and that
morality is on our side. The bitter truth must be
said: this holy consensus is based on short-range
selective memory, an introverted worldview, and
double standards.
This war is not a just war. Israel is using
excessive force without distinguishing between
civilian population and enemy, whose sole purpose
is extortion. That is not to say that morality
and justice are on Hezbollah’s side. Most
certainly not. But the fact that Hezbollah
“started it” when it kidnapped soldiers from
across an international border does not even
begin to tilt the scales of justice toward our
side.
Let’s start with a few facts. We invaded a
sovereign state, and occupied its capital in
1982. In the process of this occupation, we
dropped several tons of bombs from the air,
ground and sea, while wounding and killing
thousands of civilians. Approximately 14,000
civilians were killed between June and September
of 1982, according to a conservative estimate.
The majority of these civilians had nothing to do
with the PLO, which provided the official pretext
for the war.
In Operations Accountability and Grapes of Wrath,
we caused the mass flight of about 500,000
refugees from southern Lebanon on each occasion.
There are no exact data on the number of
casualties in these operations, but one can
recall that in Operation Grapes of Wrath, we
bombed a shelter in the village of Kafr Kana
which killed 103 civilians. The bombing may have
been accidental, but that did not make the
operation any more moral.
On July 28, 1989, we kidnapped Sheikh Obeid, and
on May 12, 1994, we kidnapped Mustafa Dirani, who
had captured Ron Arad. Israel held these two
people and another 20-odd Lebanese detainees
without trial, as “negotiating chips.” That which
is permissible to us is, of course, forbidden to
Hezbollah.
Hezbollah crossed a border that is recognized by
the international community. That is true. What
we are forgetting is that ever since our
withdrawal from Lebanon, the Israel Air Force has
conducted photo-surveillance sorties on a daily
basis in Lebanese airspace. While these flights
caused no casualties, border violations are
border violations. Here too, morality is not on
our side.
So much for the history of morality. Now, let’s
consider current affairs. What exactly is the
difference between launching Katyushas into
civilian population centers in Israel and the
Israel Air Force bombing population centers in
south Beirut, Tyre, Sidon and Tripoli? The IDF
has fired thousands of shells into south Lebanon
villages, alleging that Hezbollah men are
concealed among the civilian population.
Approximately 25 Israeli civilians have been
killed as a result of Katyusha missiles to date.
The number of dead in Lebanon, the vast majority
comprised of civilians who have nothing to do
with Hezbollah, is more than 300.
Worse yet, bombing infrastructure targets such as
power stations, bridges and other civil
facilities turns the entire Lebanese civilian
population into a victim and hostage, even if we
are not physically harming civilians. The use of
bombings to achieve a diplomatic goal - namely,
coercing the Lebanese government into
implementing UN Security Council Resolution 1559
- is an attempt at political blackmail, and no
less than the kidnapping of IDF soldiers by
Hezbollah is the aim of bringing about a prisoner
exchange.
There is a propaganda aspect to this war, and it
involves a competition as to who is more
miserable. Each side tries to persuade the world
that it is more miserable. As in every propaganda
campaign, the use of information is selective,
distorted and self-righteous. If we want to base
our information (or shall we call it propaganda?)
policy on the assumption that the international
environment is going to buy the dubious
merchandise that we are selling, be it out of
ignorance or hypocrisy, then fine. But in terms
of our own national soul searching, we owe
ourselves to confront the bitter truth - maybe we
will win this conflict on the military field,
maybe we will make some diplomatic gains, but on
the moral plane, we have no advantage, and we
have no special status.
The writer is a professor of political science at
Tel Aviv university.
July 27th, 2006 at 3:06 am
Scroll down if you don’t like it Rivkale, get used to other side of the story.
July 27th, 2006 at 3:07 am
Who is going to punish Israel for killing the UN people?
July 27th, 2006 at 3:25 am
Here’s a fine example of a leftwing poodle in action. A commentator with the alias of “Peace” Advocate refers to my use of the term “poodles” in describing some whackos visiting this site in the following manner,
“your reference to dogs shows that your culture doesn’t respect dogs, I guess if you don’t respect people how can you respect dogs.”
Perhaps if you noted my insensitivity to poodles as a breed you would have some kind of a point. However, you now hold my entire culture responsible for the mistreatment of all dogs because of a comment I made in jest.
By Nasrallah’s beard I do love how ye sandal wearing hippies exaggerate to protect your indigenous terrorists!!!
July 27th, 2006 at 4:12 am
FN, you need help my dear.
July 27th, 2006 at 4:16 am
Twosret,
Who is going to punish Hezbollah for using the UN people as human shields?
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/why_the_un_post_was_bombed/
July 27th, 2006 at 4:42 am
BrooklynJon,
The newspaper you posted is not a legitimate legal investigator for the incident.
July 27th, 2006 at 4:47 am
I don’t know about the U.S. being a dad. Maybe a hard drinking Uncle would be a better discription.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:40 am
How do you teach soldiers to shoot half-way. How do you expect young men defending their country not to over-reach when their comrads are killed in battle?
Dropping bombs on known targets is not the same as bringing those guilt to justice, but shooting rockets at Israeli cities is even more indiscriminant.
Apparently the Arab street thinks Israel is showing weakness, not strength. So how is it that so many are saying Israel has over-reacted? How is it that the Arab media encourages this? It is the media war that is reaping results, as usual, while Israel is called self-rightous for pointing out the self-defense justification.
The Jpost writes today:
Judging from the reactions on the Arab street, there are still too many young Arabs who sincerely believe that Israel can be eliminated. Throughout the Arab and Islamic world, hatred for Israel is so immense today that, if given the chance, tens of thousands of women and men would join Hamas and Hizbullah almost immediately.
But for now, most of the anger on the Arab street is being directed against corrupt monarchs and presidents, many of whom are seen as obstacles on the road to launching a full-scale war against Israel.
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Do they want full scale war? Should Israel respond to such provocation with full-scale bombings? What do the moderate Muslims think?
July 27th, 2006 at 6:01 am
Peace Advocate,
It’s a little hard to imagine who exactly wll be a legitimate egal investigator, but I’ll try to assuage you. Maybe the UN itself?
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2UxZjI3MTRhNGM5YTc1MDkyM2NkZmVhZjdiYzUzODU=
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2006/s1697911.htm
“The Hezbollah are dug in all around that southern area, around the towns and villages. Certainly one of their positions was quite close to the UNIFIL post that was hit yesterday, it’s an area well known to the Israelis. ”
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/pr010.pdf
“It was also reported that Hezbollah fired from the vicinity of four UN positions at Alma ash Shab, Tibnin, Brashit, and At Tiri.”
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/pr04.pdf
“Hezbollah firing was also reported from the immediate vicinity of the UN positions in Naquora and Maroun Al Ras areas at the time of the incidents.”
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/pr01.pdf
“During this mission the team came under fire, which endangered the lives of local civilians and UNIFIL troops. Initially, Hezbollah fired rockets from the vicinity of the village, and subsequently the IDF fired into village on two occasions.”
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7004343191
“In an interview on CBC Radio in Toronto, Major General Lewis MacKenzie (ret.) said he had been privy to e-mails received from the soldier over the past week.
MacKenzie, who happened to know the deceased personally, said in one such correspondence the soldier “described the fact that he was taking within…three meters of his position ‘for tactical necessity - not being targeted.’”
The general explained that is veiled military speech “telling us [that] Hezbollah fighters were all over his position and the IDF were targeting them.”
He said using UN personnel as human shields is “a favorite trick by people who don’t have representation in the UN,” knowing they will suffer no direct consequences for the violation.”
http://www.nysun.com/article/36860
“A Canadian U.N. observer, one of four killed at a UNIFIL position near the southern Lebanese town of Khiyam on Tuesday, sent an e-mail to his former commander, a Canadian retired major-general, Lewis MacKenzie, in which he wrote that Hezbollah fighters were “all over” the U.N. position, Mr. MacKenzie said. Hezbollah troops, not the United Nations, were Israel’s target, the deceased observer wrote.”
Okay, I think that’s enough.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:17 am
Here’s a link to a CBC interview of Canadian Major General Lewis MacKenzie:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21786_Canadian_General-_UN_Observer_Post_Used_By_Hizballah&only
Very interesting.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:24 am
Sheesh. It is unbelievable how lost is the art of “gallows humor” among some people. I have friends who are now livining bomb shelters, and there are people sitting pretty in Herndon, Virginia who are telling me I don’t understand what is going on.
Hello, people, it’s a darkly humorous interpretation of ONE YAHOO NEWS ARTICLE. It is not meant to sum up every nuance of this conflict! It is not meant to sum up every feeling I have! It is ONE blog post about ONE aspect of the war. That’s why I write a blog — so that I have space, over the course of MANY posts, to ruminate about ALL SORTS of facets of the war. Anyone who actually READS MY BLOG will see right away that I care very deeply about the Lebanese civilian casualties.
It’s furthermore been lost on many of you that my analogy suggests that Israel is ALSO acting childlike.
Geez, people. If your only reaction is a thinly veiled wish that my family dies, you’ve got a much bigger problem than any you accuse ME of.
Hey! Maybe it’s time to write an oversimplified but very funny post about blog trolls . . . .
July 27th, 2006 at 9:36 am
The Israeli award winning blogger Sarah el habla has presented us with a comedy and what shall we do at times of war? Laugh hahahahahhahaahahhahahaha
Funny funny tickle tickle tickle everybody
July 27th, 2006 at 9:41 am
Twosret:
My estimate of you just changed from “inteligent person whodoesn’t agree with me” to “blog troll” thanks to that personal attack(for those who don’t know “habla” is the female for of the Arab pronoun “idiot”)
July 27th, 2006 at 9:46 am
Thanks Anton no problem all in the spirit of laughter and habal.
Your one and only blog troll.
Twosret
July 27th, 2006 at 10:31 am
“The Israeli award winning blogger Sarah el habla has presented us with a comedy and what shall we do at times of war? Laugh hahahahahhahaahahhahahaha
Funny funny tickle tickle tickle everybody ”
Are you on drugs?
What losses have you experienced, if I may ask, since you seem to understand this conflict better than anyone else? And it was one post, nothing malicious was said it was just humorous. If you didn’t find it entertaining, then just shut up.
July 27th, 2006 at 10:35 am
Habal= silly in my slang not idiot.
Vince,
If I were you I would follow the same advice, if you don’t like it “then just shut up.”
Merci et Aurvoir
July 27th, 2006 at 11:09 am
Twosret- apologies:It is simply that in Israeli slang(including Israeli-Arab slang AFAIK) “al habal”(often pronounce “ahbal”) means “idiot” with subtext of “extreme”.I based my reply on that.
July 27th, 2006 at 11:37 am
Reading through this thread with interest I’d have to say that, on the whole, I can see where you’re coming from Twosret. I could have appreciated Sarahs post if it had been presented with solemn irony, yet I cannot comprehend what is genuinely humorous about it. Have we become so insensitized to death and destruction that it’s become a joke?. Will it be even funnier when it happens right next door to us?.
Indeed, we can easily preach from our moral high horse and condemn those who glorify death and celebrate loss of innocent life, but how much do we have to whip that horse with the rod of contempt before it shies and throws us to the ground along with those we would judge?.
When we see the news reports coming out of wherever, and we sit in our armchairs pontificating our disgust at those men, women and children revelling in the death of innocents, we wonder how they can be so depraved as to find pleasure in those acts. If we start finding humour in hate fuelled death, then when do we become that thing that we profess to hate?. There’s a line, but it’s a very fine one.
No matter which ideology we subscribe to, whose “side” we’re taking here, I believe it ill becomes us to relegate the realities of the sitution to little more than “entertainment”. People are still dying. There’s nothing funny about it. Show me a soldier who kills with glee and I’ll show you an inhuman butcher, regardless of his nation,religion or ideology.
I would also say that I find it somewhat disappointing that, should Twosret feel she has a point to make, albeit one people may disagree with, some would feel that she has to sit quiet and not rock the boat while the rest of us, as the self appointed knights of morality, have a good chuckle.
While I may not agree with her opinion sometimes, I also find it heartening that she doesn’t give a fuck either way, and will express her opinion nonetheless.
Disagree all we like folks…….But it’s a little bit hypocritical to expect people to shut up because we disagree.
July 27th, 2006 at 12:50 pm
“Hezbollah crossed a border that is recognized by
the international community. That is true. What
we are forgetting is that ever since our
withdrawal from Lebanon, the Israel Air Force has
conducted photo-surveillance sorties on a daily
basis in Lebanese airspace. While these flights
caused no casualties, border violations are
border violations. Here too, morality is not on
our side.”
By Ze’ev Maoz’s analogy if I walked on to my neighbor’s property and took pictures of his house while yelling loudly, it is moraly equivalent to me walking on to my neighbor’s property, entering his house, killing part of his family and kidnapping two members thereof and settling fire to the structure as I left. I’m afraid that I don’t agree with his assement of moral equivalency.
July 27th, 2006 at 2:24 pm
“Should Twosret feel she has a point to make, albeit one people may disagree with, some would feel that she has to sit quiet and not rock the boat while the rest of us, as the self appointed knights of morality, have a good chuckle.”
Let’s see, Twosret has made such comments as
“I would like to see the sense of humor or stupid dark humor of Sarah when she put her family to the grave,” that he’s not intimidated by the “likes” of me (and I didn’t even GIVE my opinion on the post here, so what “likes” of me is he disagreeing with?), on Sarah’s blog he’s stated that she should be taken off the “humans list” (again, another morbid threat?). Whatever this sicko troll is doing, it is definitely more than just rocking the boat. Twosret’s attacks are vicious and evil, and if he makes more attacks of the same I would suggest to Sarah that she get the police involved.
July 27th, 2006 at 2:48 pm
Rivkale,
Do you see ghosts every night? Do you hear noises calling you? Twosret’s comments had nothing to do with wishing any evil to anyone. She merely suggested that Sarah should be more human and she should put herself in the shoes of those who suffer from war, destruction and death.
““I would like to see the sense of humor or stupid dark humor of Sarah when she put her family to the grave,” ”
That simply means that if she is affected directly with the death of loved ones she won’t see humor in the current situation.
Taken off humans list is not a death threat it is to show that someone is inhuman in their suggestions of laughter when others are dying.
Stop the escalation and the out of control comments of yours. Many people disagree with Sarah not just Twosret.
July 27th, 2006 at 3:12 pm
#66 Rivkale
As I said mate….. you also have the freedom to disagree. Noone’s asking you to stay quiet ‘cos you do.
As to her comments, as PA says, don’t read what’s not there into her comments. If you’re not sure what it is she’s saying, ask her to elaborate. I’m sure she’ll oblige you
July 27th, 2006 at 3:42 pm
PA, when threat was mentioned in Sarah’s blog twosret’s response was:
” what threat are you talking about idiot? are you on drugs or something?”
if you don’t believe me you’re invited to check the comments for the specific entry in her blog.Here is the link:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/jediknight/115386786078909383/#279647
July 27th, 2006 at 7:33 pm
You poodles have invented a slanderous scenario where this story is making fun of dead Lebanese civilians. It is not.
It is making fun of bullies who attack people that are stronger than them and how no one cares until the victim strikes back.
The characters are two brothers fighting with each other. There are no bombs or guns involved. If you are offended then you need counseling.
…Brooklyn Jon thanks for spending the time to back up your argument. I loved PA’s comment that Australia’s biggest newspaper isn’t a “legitimate legal investigator for the incident”. I suppose Greenpeace has to issue you a license before you can report the news legally.
By the way, I’m originally from Borough Park, but live in Cali now.
Cheers
July 27th, 2006 at 7:38 pm
Wishbone and PA,
Thanks for being my guardian angels and practcing some Benevolence
Rivkale and Anton,
I was posting last night under some emotional pressure and didn’t realise how my opinion was poorly worded. I sent an e-mail to Sarah to clairfy that I had no intention to wish her or her family harm, I think Rivkale you are kicking it up a notch and taking my words out of context and to the extreme. I don’t know anything about Sarah and never visited her blog before SM linked to her.
I still don’t see humor and I’m in disagreement with the post but I do apologize if I sounded harsh or didn’t take enough time to word my posts properly.
I hope this clears any misunderstandings.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:52 pm
@twosret:
Clears it for me.I was actually hoping it was either that or a case of someone “hijacking” your internet ID, as several people who disagree with you characterised you here as “intelligent and civilised”- a behaviour there is allways too little of(especially on the internet).
July 27th, 2006 at 7:57 pm
Thanks Anton and nobody stole my ID, I wasn’t myself due to sadness and heaviness at heart and I am mature enough to apologize when I make a mistake.
Appreciate your understanding.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:45 am
Again begging to kiss the butts of the master race.
Like the taste?
Besides - the two master race thugs were captured in
Lebanon…
July 28th, 2006 at 1:15 am
Dont you have something intelligent to say instead?
Its not so hard, lots of people do it every day.
I promise if you give an honest effort that I wont laugh at you…
July 31st, 2006 at 3:48 am
Twosret Says:
July 27th, 2006 at 3:07 am
Who is going to punish Israel for killing the UN people?
should read
Who is going to punish “Hezbollah” for killing the UN people?
As well as the Qana people!
Duhuh! All they had to do was give up two Israeli soldiers and finito!
What a bunch of dumbasses!
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