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Thursday, 27 Jul 2006
That's rich! Half of Lebanon is in ruins thanks to his actions, and the dude is hanging out in Syria the whole time.
Iran - A top Iranian envoy was in
Syria
on Thursday for talks on the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict, in a gathering
of the Lebanese guerrilla's two key sponsors, according to Iranian news
reports.Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah was taking part in the
session, according to Kuwait's Al-Siyassah newspaper, known for its
opposition to the Syrian regime. It said the meeting was designed to
discuss ways to maintain supplies to Hezbollah fighters with "Iranian
arms flowing through Syrian territories."The newspaper said it learned of the meeting from "well-informed
Syrian sources" it did not identify. It said Nasrallah was moving
through Damascus with Syrian guards in an intelligence agency car. He
was dressed in civilian clothes, not his normal clerical garb.
Ok. This points us to two pieces of information: 1) Nasrallah is an asshole, because he asks his people to hold steadfastness but flees to Syria where its safe, and 2) Hezbollah can function perfectly without his presence there. This means that Hezbollah doesn't need its leadership for orders or strategic planning or attack. It's made up of cells that can function independently and without need for vertical leadership structure, which means that even if their leaders are all killed and captured, they won't be stopped. Good for Hezbollah, bad for Israel and for Lebanon who want this to end as soon as possible. This could go on forever.
Oh well…
July 27th, 2006 at 3:04 pm
“2) Hezbollah can function perfectly without his presence there. This means that Hezbollah doesn’t need its leadership for orders or strategic planning or attack. It’s made up of cells that can function independently and without need for vertical leadership structure, which means that even if their leaders are all killed and captured, they won’t be stopped.”
I disagree. What it means is that Hassan Nasrallah is a figurehead, but not necessarily the one calling the shots. I wouldn’t rush to the conclusion that because he is clearly not as necessary as we once thought, that *no one* is, only that perhaps there has been an unseen puppet master all along. Also, the idea that they don’t need any type of leadership and that they are spores that can act independent of the host is just too terrifying for me to consider.
July 27th, 2006 at 3:17 pm
well, you see, suicide missions are for the students of Islam, not the teachers.
bye, bye lebanon, it was nice knowing you.
July 27th, 2006 at 3:20 pm
Hannah, there is a third possibility: he was in Damascus just for a limited time and left his more competent underlings in charge for a short time, which only means he has competent underlings, a thing that was known for a long time.
July 27th, 2006 at 3:45 pm
Nasralla isn’t the kind of runaway coward as described. You may disagree with his ideology, reference or tactics but he is definately not a coward. When his son died in a battle, his second son joined troops.
I believe his being in Syria is just a rumor (like the Egyptian movie 7ekayat el ghareeb keda). Its way to dangerous for him to get out and he does need to be inside Lebanon, at least to release immediate videos to Al Manar
if nothing else..
July 27th, 2006 at 3:58 pm
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1199
Something everyone should read and think about
July 27th, 2006 at 4:00 pm
I agree with Nora, you should know better SM than beleiving anything you read, espacially if its published in a Kuwaiti Paper… lool.
July 27th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
Cowardice or bravery are not intelligent words on the subject. Nasrallah, Osama, other Jihadists are a self-declared enemies of Israel. Enemies are fought, sometimes with bravery, other times with cowardice, but always with the goal of anhilliating the other side. So comes into play one’s bias. Do you support the Jihadists or the Israelis?
July 27th, 2006 at 4:02 pm
I’m for the Israelis.
July 27th, 2006 at 4:38 pm
JP: ‘Nasrallah is in Damascus’
… if the report is true, Nasrallah is in Syria to avoid getting killed by the Israelis, and that Hezbollah is under the direction of Iran.
July 27th, 2006 at 4:42 pm
JP: ‘Nasrallah is in Damascus’
… if the report is true, Nasrallah is in Syria to avoid getting killed by the Israelis, and that Hezbollah is under the direction of Iran.
July 27th, 2006 at 4:45 pm
Like most of the brave terrorists they don’t usually fight themselves and they send other’s young to do their bidding for them. Fighting behind women and children isn’t exactly a noble thing.
July 27th, 2006 at 4:52 pm
Hmmmm …”.. but flees to Syria where its safe”
Is Om,ert down on the front lines - err retreating with the IDF’s shiny tanks?
Maybe IDF, because Olmert is in the rear with the gear, drinking kosher champaign with the arms dealers on the steps of synagogues in Tel Aviv, could help make sure the world knows how brave Olmert - Israeli leadership, rally is!
A suggestion:
Maybe - so the world won’t confuse Nasrallah’s cowardice with Olmert’s bravery, IDF should send a few grannies and babies to Tel Aviv - that way - when Olmert wants a rush of sandnigger blood lust - he can have them put in a closet and then throw some grenades in - like a small scale version of what the brave IAF do when they bomb apartment buildings or UN outposts - aint nuthin like the fun of frying defenseless sandniggers, or Irish UN whitey’s, that can’t fight back.
Nothing but the best for Israel!
July 27th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
He’s brave because he sends his SONS to die?!
That’s pretty funny.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:22 pm
Cadavre’s words underscores the depths of his/her intelligence …
… btw .. why would Olmert be in Tel Aviv? The capital of Israel is Jerusalem.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:11 pm
You. my dear dan, are proof of the depths of Judea’s decline. You are a monkey - you do not need a future for your decendants - you just need need some sandnigger blood under your feet - wafting into glory bound nostrils for all your dreams to come true.
Dance monkey - dance - I want my Defense Industry and Energy Industry equities to go up in value - so do that dance, you do so well for peanuts yourself, and gold it brings me!
Dance for WHity Dan! Dance - cheeep - cheeep - can you chant that?
A while back, Jewish Evangelicals - Zionists - seemed a little smarter than the rednecked Christian Evangelicals - But I think you have set a new low - congratulations tuff guy!
July 27th, 2006 at 6:51 pm
Wow! Simply brilliant! Well put Cadavre!
July 27th, 2006 at 6:54 pm
Good for Hezbollah, bad for Israel and for Lebanon who want this to end as soon as possible. This could go on forever.
Lebanon wants to end this as soon as possible. But Israel? What are you smoking, SM?
July 27th, 2006 at 6:58 pm
Actually, I think I mentioned this possibility earlier. It seemed likely to me. I mean, Syria is only a few hours drive from any point in Lebanon. It is possible that he has been hiding in Syria, as a safety precaution in case the worst possible scenario did occur (an out-and-out invasion by Israel), even before the kidnapping proceeded.
It is still relatively easy to find back roads and undoubtedly tunnels around the Syria-Lebanon border. This doesn’t bode well for trying to keep the Israeli hostages out of Iranian hands. Though, I should mention, that CT blog reported previously that there have been reports the two hostages are in the Iranian embassy in Beirut.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:59 pm
Italics off.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:59 pm
Italics off again.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:05 pm
issander:
The Israeli terms for a ceasefire were known from day one. These terms are reasonable by any standards. I would love to see the country, that, if attacked in the way Israel was, does not demand that similar terms are met. But I would not like to be a citizen of such a country, or even visit it briefly: too dangerous.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:15 pm
Sorry about the italics, SM! Consider it anti-Zionist sabotage.
AntonGarou: with all the excursions on both sides of the borders taking place for years, you expect me to believe Israeli is just in this war?
Not even mentioning the carnage. Look, I’m not “pro-Hizbullah,” but it’s completely disingenuous to whine about Lebanon’s or Hizbullah’s adherence to UN resolution when Israel has consistently ignored them.
(btw I probably won’t answer replies because I’m going offline from an internet café. Sorry I can participate in a riveting discussion on Israel’s infinite justice.)
July 27th, 2006 at 7:31 pm
1) Are Cadavre and eee the same person? Has anyone seen them together at the same time?
2) Israel’s reconnaisance overflights were wrong. There I’ve said it. Wrong, wrong, wrong. But there is obviously a difference between a border violation for recon and a border violation for killing and abduction. I find it hard to believe that a person can be genuine in their insistance that they are ethically one and the same. It is the difference between walking onto my property to see what brand of lock I put on my door, and walking onto my property to burn my house down, kill my children and rape my wife.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:35 pm
Infinite justice - no one can claim infinite justice. States are like people - sometimes wrong, sometimes right.
If you take a deep look at historical context you will find all sides lacking. That doesn’t mean current actions should be discounted.
Fact: Israel withdrew from S. Lebanon. This was validated by the UN. Hizb turned S. Lebanon into a fortress and continued to lob missiles over the Blue Zone.
Fact: Israel withdrew from Gaza. Hamas turned Gaza into a launch pad and lobed missiles into Israel.
Israel has casus belli for opening up both fronts. In both cases, members of a political party forming a foreign states government initiated hostile actions against their neighbor states population. If Israel was dealing with normal states - say the US, France or even Venezuela - then a diplomatic solution may have been pursued before they initiated military action. Such states can be manipulated by international pressure - they have a popular conscience (think Britain and India: Gandhi was able to free his country via peaceful means because England had to bow to international pressure).
Hamas and Hizballah have no popular conscience. Their very existence is dedicated to the eradication of Israel. How to you conduct diplomacy with such entities? What kind of international pressure can you leverage? Israel tried to trade land for peace (which worked with Egypt and Jordan) but what did they get for their efforts? Missiles. Dead civilians.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:04 pm
Dan Irving speaks the truth.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:30 pm
I have this mental picture of the Chief Inspector from the Pink Pather movies (Dreyfus?) twitching and gibbering and with that one-eye-tic-thing going whenever I read one of Cadvre’s posts.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:31 pm
Cadavre “Jewish Evangelicals - Zionists”
Jewish Evangelicals = Jews who want to convert others to Judaism = Jews who want a Jewish homeland = Zionists
No, something’s not right there. It isn’t a direct contradiction I suppose, maybe the Zionist evangelicals go out converting people around the world to Judaism then spiriting them off to Israel?
You made quite a good point in asking if Olmert was on the front line. Why spoil it with the other hysterical nonsense?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:31 pm
Dan,
Zionist, nazi, evil money-grubbing Jew, monkey, oil, 911, rape, making babies eat sand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
eee and Cadavre,
There! You don’t have to post a reply now. I saved you the bother.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:38 pm
Dan,
Just one thing, Hamas and Hezbollah fire rockets, not missiles. At least, not yet.
Stephen,
It is true that Olmert isn’t on the front lines, but I understand he hasn’t left the country, either.
Cadavre,
Whitey (with an e), blood-lust, evangelicals, kill, kill, kill. Roll naked in the oil and the blood. Crusade!
See, we can have a nice intelligent conversation with the same language! It was a pleasure chatting with you. Where’s eee?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:54 pm
If he is in Syria, Nasrallah sensibly does not want to get himself killed. Regardless of what you think of Hezbollah, it is usually helpful for organizations when they keep their leaders alive. Olmert is not waiting in Haifa to be struck by a rocket, and George W. Bush is not patrolling Baghdad with his soldiers.
I also love it when people who clearly support the Bush Administration criticize terrorist leaders for not participating in the fighting.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:56 pm
BrooklynJon:
“Zionist, nazi, evil money-grubbing Jew, monkey, oil, 911, rape, making babies eat sand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
eee and Cadavre,
There! You don’t have to post a reply now. I saved you the bother. ”
HA HA HA HA HA HA! I am *so* glad you post here.
July 27th, 2006 at 10:07 pm
To my friends Dan and BrooklynJon,
Here’s what I think. That either through a disproportionally high percentage of “evangelical” (authoritarian) personalities in Israel (in the US it’s 23% for the entire poulation) or something Israelis/Jews learn at school has led to a cultural inadequacy psychosis.
Everyone one, except the Israeli in the street - or polishing the tanks, is making money off this “war against evil sandnigers”.
What does the Israeli get?
Here’s what I think the Israeli’s reward is - and you tell me where I am wrong. I think that the intesnsity of most Israeli feelings of inadequacy forces them to be cruel to SandNiggers, who are just as physically defenseless, as the Israelis are emotionally defenseless.
It’s just “meat and potatoes” racism - Israel deserves her momnet of Racism - after all - look at all the poor Jew has been through. Israel - have fun with the sandnigger, you deserve it and you don’t need a reason!
We had that bad in America too - still do. We, like Israel had seperate accomodations for non-whites, as Israel does for non-white Jews and all others. The US has been there - but F16s with bombs are a far cry from a lynching or daughter raping when the local trailer park elders get tanked.
In the US capital, at the pursors office in the US Treasury - at one window, General Electric, Lockheed Martin, Exxon, General Dynamics are lining up with vouchers for 100 of millions for bombs they shipped to ISrael yesterday. At the next window, the State Department, the Red Cross and other NGCs are in queue, with millions in vouchers, to pay for the bandaids to patch those damned SandNigger children that were shredded by the bombs shipped yesterday.
A circle of love.
They way I see it - Israel - and all Jews - have earned the right to be cruel - especially if you’re being cruel to those fucking SandNiggers.
We pay - you play - bask in your dominion Israel. Bask.
Peace
July 27th, 2006 at 10:09 pm
Maybe Nasrallah went to Syria to help plan for the return of the 12th imam that Ahmad-jihad is waiting for. Nasrallah recently threatened the use of longer range rockets that could hit Tel-Aviv. Maybe he is in Syria to plan on their use with the Iranians.
Farid Ghadry, the president of the reform party of Syria, has offered an explanation as to why Iran has chosen the August 22, 2006 date to reply to the package of incentives being offered regarding Iran’s nuclear program. He points out that August 21, 2006 is the Night Journey or Miraj, when the Prophet Mohammed (piss be on him) ascended to heaven from Jerusalem in a great lit up sky.
Does Ahmad-jihad have something special and spectacular in store for August 21, 2006? Will he launch a series of missiles at Tel-Aviv or Jerusalum that will be his answer regarding his nuclear proposal? He has repeatedly stated that he will wipe Israel off the map. He recently hinted at the use of nuclear weapons when he stated that Israel had “pushed the button of its own destruction”.
We he attempt to illuminate the sky over Jerusalem this year on the anniversary pf the Maraj?
Read the whole article by Robert Spencer at http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23533
July 27th, 2006 at 10:31 pm
Evangelical Jews.
There is an interesting concept.
July 27th, 2006 at 11:28 pm
Now SkiDude - that’s what I am talking about - that raw - pure - uncensosured sandnigger hate - damn it guy - you do deserve to have those secret rendezvous with you’re inadequacies - imagine - you - a;; alone - with and sandnigger grandma - and her grand children - imagine all the fun and retribution you could enjoy!
You intelectualize you’re very deserved racism with intellectual mytholgy!
It was beautiful - I almost feel like doing in a sandnigger after listening to you!
I am born again racist - I can smell split sandnigger guts in a Gaza ghetto right now …. hmmmmmm.
Thanks:
Tommy
“Evangelical Jews”. Chomsky made a couple of interesting statement at a recent precentation. He said two things we all know:
1) That the US and Israel are the two biggest sponsors of state terrorism.
2) That the US and Israel are the two biggest manufactures of false flag terrorism.
He also made the statement that 23% of AMericans were “totalitarian”. In other words, they beleived that the only acceptible form of free will is the freedom to follow authoritan leaderships. That’s Evangelicalism. The dominion heresy (or mythologhy) of the Jews “chosen-ness” is an evangelical, authoritarian and racist personality trait.
“We are the only chosen people”
“We are better than you”
“We are gods chosen”
I personally like either:
“You’re all a bunch of niggers”
or
“You are all SandNiggers” -
Simple - direct - does not overcompensate with the pretense of evangelical/messanic intillectualism.
Know what I mean Jelly Bean!
July 27th, 2006 at 11:32 pm
To Cadavre - I apologise - I should have never inititated a battle of wits with someone unarmed. While your last post seemed to be a sincere attempt at rational conversation it’s still the same canard.
To everyone else - I apologise - I broke the first rule of posting to a forum: Don’t feed the Trolls.
July 27th, 2006 at 11:36 pm
Even Arnold thinks Israel is in the right.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1153291983753&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
July 28th, 2006 at 12:01 am
Well house nigger,
the article does not say that Nasrallah is ” h i d i n g ” in Syria.
But I’m sure, that the master race will appreciate your
kisses on their butts.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:23 am
There may be something else hiding in Syria, as well:
http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2006/07/27/rick-santorum-announcement-on-iraqi-pre-war-documents/
July 28th, 2006 at 12:42 am
As I said earlier - zionism is a disease.
It transforms jews into to nazis and gentiles into idiots.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:44 am
Cadavre,
Ah, a somewhat intelligible post. Thank you.
Here’s what I think.
Jews are aware of their history of getting comfortable in a country until the other people in that country start killing, raping, and stealing. The holocaust is the most recent example, but history is littered with them. Jews would like a soverign state, much like most other nations, principally to serve as a place to escape to if things get ugly in some other country. We used to have our own country, and while many Jews would probably settle for an autonomous homeland anywhere, it makes most sense to us to let it be where our own country was, since we have long-standing (and continuous) roots there.
We are aware that other people live there, too, just as we are aware that there were a substantial number of Jews living as minorities in the surrounding countries.
With the blessing of the UN, we were willing to split the land in question between two new countries: a mostly Jewish one, and a mostly non-Jewish one. We would have been happy to have any soverign state. Oh, by the way, we have a strong egalitarian streak, and are therefore principally interested in having a democracy, which most closely resembles our historical form of government. Since a democracy only has a national character if the majority of the people in it are the same nation, we prefer to have a majority of the people there be Jews, but we are willing to treat non-Jews on an equal footing. Note that this applies to Jews of all origins, and non-Jews of all origins. Note also that people of different origins often have different cultures, and often have a preference for their own culture.
The surrounding areas were not similarly inclined, and either evicted their native Jewish populations in their entirety, or made life so miserable as to essentially force their Jews to leave. And then they attacked, with the stated intention of killing all the Jews. Given our history, this just seemed too familiar.
The Jews defended themselves, and wanted to live in peace. Instead they reaped genocidal hatred. Israel has made peace treaties with two of its neighbors, and has been honorable with regard to those neighbors. Israel would like to live in peace with all of its neighbors, but either hasn’t trusted the neighbor enough to meet its conditions (Syria, and with good reason), or hasn’t had a neighbor that could deliver on what it negotiated (Lebanon), or has a neighbor that is so full of blind hatred for it that the only acceptible negotiated outcome would be for Israel to liquidate itself (Iran).
The Evangelical Christians have their own reasons for wanting Israel to flourish, but it has nothing to do with any alliance with the Jews. In fact, the American Jewish community has been highly sceptical of the Evangelicals, tend to oppose them politically, and voted waaay disproportionately for the party opposed to them.
Anyway, Israel is not fighting to profit anyone. Israel is fighting to try to get a restoration of peace. Israel is fighting because its unilateral withdrawals were interpreted - rightly or wrongly - as a sign of weakness. Israel is fighting to do the dirty work that Lebanon has refused to do, and refused to ask anyone else to do.
Suggesting that they are fighting to make money - or at the behest of someone else who wants to make money - is just plain offensive. The Israelis who had to abandon their homes in the north, and the Israelis who had to put their lives on hold to take up arms, do so because they feel that they have no choice. It’s not paranoia. It’s not psychosis. And it’s not so someone can make a profit.
And another thing. If the Israelis really wanted to kill Lebanese civilians, would they tell them to leave in advance of a bombing? If they were hot for Lebanese blood, they’d be bombing all over Beirut, which they aren’t. The areas that aren’t Hizbollah strongholds, and that serve no useful function to Hezbollah have been impressively left alone. Perfectly? No. This is war, and no one is perfect in war, let alone in peace. But pretty impressive nonetheless. And this is in marked contradistinction to their enemy that proudly announces its genocidal intentions.
That’s what I think.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:53 am
Sigh.
Chosen-ness can’t be racist, because Jews aren’t a race.
Jews are a nation with an associated religion.
We’re one of the few nations in the world that allows you to “naturalize” into it, which is why there are Jews (in the Jewish nation) of every color and type.
And being chosen begs the question: “Chosen for what?”
I’m not in the mood to get into a firefight about what Jews were chosen for, because I’m not interested in having Cadavre teach me about my religion’s theology. I’m also not in the mood because my dinner has arrived, and I’m starving. Suffice to say, it’s not what Cadavre or eee think (if you can call what eee does thinking), and it’s frankly nothing too good. Which is one of the reasons that while we are willing to naturalize people of all races and ethnicities (racist? Ha!), we certainly will never compel or even encourage conversion.
Chow’s on.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:14 am
Jon - you didn’t use enough expletives and racial epithets … I don’t think anyone will understand you.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:41 am
Thats true Dan, but just like in everything else,…
…the extremists are heard the loudest.
However, intelligent people are not fooled…
July 28th, 2006 at 1:42 am
A bit of advice to posters….
If you want people to actually read your post, then stop using words like “sand nigger”. As soon as my eyes hit garbage like that, I stop reading. I tells me that the person who wrote the post is an idiot and does not deserve my time.
Actually…. I changed my mind. Please keep using it. It save me and others the bother of having to read your words to determine you are ignorant and can’t think or write.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:58 am
Dan,
I live in the most diverse census tract in the country, which is located in the second most diverse county in the country. I can spout expletives with the best of them. But I learned early on that racial epithets will likely buy you a mouth full of someone else’s knuckles, and some dental bills.
I do think that it is best for those inclined to keep using such foul and base language, for exactly the reason Ron said.
And yes, a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent is not sporting.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:24 am
Dear Ron Larson at 45:
Let me get this straight. It’s okay to casually justify the murders (a couple of hundred under 10 year olds have been blown apart in Beruit and Southern Lebanon) as a tragic consequence of war but you get indignant when someone calls those ,whose only crime was being Arab on lands Israel’s War Lords covet, a “sandnigger”.
I don’t get it.
It’s okay to kill a sandnigger but we can’t call a sandnigger a sandnigger. Oh - you want us to treat the victims Israeli “fun” with respect.
You take our fun out of it!! I mean if we pay for the bombs, but don’t get to smell the blood or shit spattered walls when our hard earned munitions blow a sandnigger child appart apart (we appreciate Israel doing all it can do!!) , we should, at least if Israel gets to have all the fun of shredding and smelling them, get to call them a sandnigger.
Whats the harm - they’re fucking dead already!
If people can say “piss on” on a great teacher, or lie about indigenious semites to justify Israel’s secret carnage of joy, why cant we call em a SandNigger?
Are you saying calling Israeli killed Arabs “SandNigger” is racist, but the act to cause wrongful death is not racist!
Is that air you’re breathing? hmmmm..
To Brooklyn John at 46:
Israel is killing them - taking care of business - making us dumb downed rapture baiting whities proud!
If White Israeli Jews can kill `em - why can’t we call `em SandNiggers - that’s what Israel treats em like, right. Why the pretense? They are : SandNiggers - don’t get indignant - don’t intellectualize racism - enjoy it - killing them is only half the fun - the reason it’s so easy to kill them is because they’re nothing more than SandNigger Scum, right?
What’s the big deal - some kind ethics for mass murder that denies racist’s outside Israel paying for all this to have a little fun too?
Is that air you breathing, my dear Brooklyn Jon?
Peace
July 28th, 2006 at 3:49 am
Nasralla is getting screwed by Iran
PEACE To Lebanon
July 28th, 2006 at 4:30 am
Cadavre
You are absolutely right. All those murdered Lebanese civilians must not be dismissed lightly. Hezbollah intentionally provokes a war with Israel and then hides behind civilians…
The Hezbollah militia should pay by being disbanded. Then we can finally have peace between Lebanon and Israel.
Your argument about sandniggers is a hundred times more distasteful than the innocent story Sarah told about two little brothers who are fighting.
If Twosret and Peace Advocate have any consistency they would condemn your statements even stronger than they condemned Sarah’s story.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:25 am
Spotting an Evangelical Christian
Dear Brooklyn and Ron - I’ll tell you how to spot an “evangelical” CHristian and you tell me how to spot an “evangelical” Jew.
Have you guys read or heard passages from the New Testiment?
You’ve heard of Jesus of Nazareth, a rebellious Rabbi, and the source of eternal salvation for both Christian and Muslim.
In the new testiment, there are passages where Jesus offers a first person “mantra” (i paraphrase), like:
“I am the staff of life.”
To a believer or any enjoyer of wise enlightening words, this is a mantra men and women could use, in chant, to achieve a meditative state - an acceptance of our singular franchise and responsibility to humanity. But that’s it, it’s [just] a “mantra”, not a dominion claim.
The evangeleical Christian, however, believes those words to be a declaration, from Jesus, that “HE” is the staff - the sustinance.
Evangelicals always ruin the poetry of alegory by casting it as fact.
Most Evangelical Americans think Allah is something other than what it is, a pronoun for “god”. They are not even aware that Jesus is also the Muslims savior.
Stranger - when we think - the US is called Judeo Christian - when really - if we go by commonality of theologies, the US is more Islamic Christian - Jews need to pickit up and get with the new testiment.
Islam is certainly a compelling mystery. The pilgramage rituals - the “artifact” in Mecca and the poetry and string of Muslim Communion is powerful.
Islam is stregth. When Pat Tillman was friendly fire silenced in Afghanistan (just after he said, “This war is fucking illegal”), I remeber some fottage on CNN.
The camera was pointing to a small cave near the summit of some brow dirt stoney mountain. The US had just bombed the fuck out of it. The embedd reporter was getting all randy patriotic with our “brave boys” and “we mean business” screed.
The camera zoomed in. There was an old skinny man. He was wearing a home spun home wove garmit - soiled - tattered. He had teeth missing. He had lost his head wear.
The man - the sjkinny old man who probably had not eaten or drank water in days, was throwing pepples he found around his hole in the ridge on that desolate mountain at the US Amrmy below him.
The camera zooms in - the patriotic banter from the embedded war shill picked up - there was a flash - a thick black cloud - and the old toothless man was no longer seen throwing stones.
I have the sense he was still throwing stones defiantly at the US Amry - even after almost 300,000$ of Uncle Sams best killing ordinamce took his body from earth.
I do not think death could even stop a muslim from defending his franchise. There is a strength - and anyone who works or enjoys Muslims knows they have good hearts, are without fear, bright and industrious.
Chrstians and Jews go to the wailing wall when their A/C breaks down!
Evangelicals see nothing beyond their grave except the mall in the sky with the big guy - you know - the big guy that talks to our Prez, Dubby! Their responsibility is to make it to the grave. Their penance: They have to hang out with a bunch of other fucking boringwhite hushpuppy wearing evangelicals just like them fucking selves.!
Another shot form Afghanistan - A Woman and her husband sustain a family form what us western white frillies would call a field of stones. That is more might - more power - than a Trillion Nuclear Bombs.
Advice - don’t fuck with Muslims - they’re good people - they’re fucking smart - and - if your work with them - you can prosper (and get laid often!)
They have conquered their fears - such is the power of Islam.
One man, one vote, one state, not a Jewish State, and a sincere recognition of Israel’s (European Jews) responsibilities to her brothers and sisters in Palestine , Syria, Lebanon and Egypt and an immediate beleivable reconciliation by Israel and the US might mean, just might mean, that the European in Cannan, as did the Europeans in South Africa, would move beyond this aparthied, would move to a shared prosperity.
That or anihalation? Mosada doest seem like it was as much fun as Jines Town - and Jones town looked pretty fucked up. If your in that kind of stuff - put Barry Manlow on your iPod and lock yourself out of your apartment - you’ll die from bordom in less than 2 hours.
The Butcher’s pay you Israeli’s get pretty much sucks - your leadership is getting commissions - the guys that own the bullet factories or American based security firms are scavaging pretty good - but how much butchers pay are you getting, Mr. and Mrs. Average Israeli? Is the gold flowing like water?
You guys could be making money and getting laid - if you just quit allowing your cultivated feelings of inadequacy to be used against you - this aint the fucking dark ages cry babies - there aint no fucking such thing as war glory or righteous killing or noble death
The dead know one thing, Jew, it is better to be alive.
Sheesh - make money have fun - get fuckling laid - but this cowboy and Indian Jew in the Galalee sthick just aint fucking working.
Peace.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:08 am
Cadavre sounds like the average English, French, German, or Japanese soldier before reality whacked them in the head. Yeah, we’re soft. Keep thinking that, please.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:20 am
If he is in Syria, Nasrallah sensibly does not want to get himself killed. Regardless of what you think of Hezbollah, it is usually helpful for organizations when they keep their leaders alive. Olmert is not waiting in Haifa to be struck by a rocket,
Sorry David: Neither Olmert nor Bush have abandoned the countries they lead. Olmert has not abandoned Israel and Bush has not abandoned America. Taking precautions is one thing. Abandoning the nation you’ve sworn to defend is another. Neither Bush or Olmert is fleeing for safety in a foreign land. Nasrallah has abandoned Lebanon (after bringing war upon his nation, no less) for the safety of a land not his own.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:33 am
To Fares:
God forgive us - peace to all - this will pass.
The beast shows fear.
The children of Lebanon, the children of Gaza, gave without complaint or demand.
All our prayers for Lenbanon and Gaza.
Peace
July 28th, 2006 at 9:16 am
do you really believe what the yahoo news tell? I am not convinced that he would run away to Syria, the man himself one of his childen died.
Too bad for lebanon, but not because of hezbollah, but because of israel who doesn’t care about the value of humanity by all means. They are not fighting hezbollah, they are bombing airports, bridges, ports, infrastructures, homes, cars carrying the civilians and more.
it is Israel’s tactics all the time, since when and they care about humanity (children, women, aged men) anywhere. (with right or without) . the value of humans, destruction, displaced was never in their calculations.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:25 am
If he’s really in Syria then he’s a truly sweet freedom fighter. The weird thing is that people will still love him more in the Arab world for being the one to stand up to the bully…
July 28th, 2006 at 11:10 am
Yasra:
it is Israel’s tactics all the time, since when and they care about humanity (children, women, aged men) anywhere. (with right or without) . the value of humans, destruction, displaced was never in their calculations.
Since has Israel *not* cared?Have you noted the massive efforts by the IAF to get civilians out of the line of fire?(ranging from leaflets to computer generated phone calls)Had Israel trully been uncaring for human life there would have been thousands of casualties only in the Dahia district of Beirut.Add in that at least 100-120 of those currently counted as “civilian” casualties are Hizzbullah fighters, and the picture you get is a bit different.
Israel isn’t perfect, and ,as happens in every war, mistakes occur- mistakes for which innocents pay with their life.But I don’t understand why you blame the people who try to minimize civilian casualties, rather the ones trying to maximize them(Hizzbullah’s “glorious warriors” hide behind citizens and UN observers at every opportunity, to date not *one* rocket landed in an IDF base- they all hit civilian neighborhoods, on some cases in wholly Arab settlements).
July 28th, 2006 at 11:37 am
haha, getting a lecture on the misinterpretation of religous texts to further your own arguments from someone who sounds like an extremist muslim. Now that’s irony.
I love that Cadavre still believes that the followers of this invisible patriarchal anachronism get some kind of divine power that imbues them all, regardless of belief, divinity, behaviour, morals. ethical standards or previous conduct. People who get oppressed and used by those who control the public image of this useful tool of power suddenly become righteous tigers when oppressed by anyone else.
July 28th, 2006 at 11:56 am
Yo folks comparing Olmert and Nasrallah –your comparison would only work if Olmert had gone to hide out in say….Jordan. Olmert is still here in the country being attacked. Nasrallah is…..not.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:18 pm
Yosra: every fought a war? Ever read a book about war? Which kind of targets were the ones targeted mainly? Exactly,… infrastructural ones. Those which makes the enemy more mobile in order to group, regroup, and supply itself.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:52 pm
Yosra -
When fighting a conventional army you target the C2 (command and communications) infrastructure in order to quickly defeat your enemy. Every army does this. Israel isn’t fighting an ‘army’. They are fighting a bunch of armed civilians. Well trained, yes, but civilians nonetheless. Hizb has integrated itself into every facet of the civilian population. The only way Israel can destroy Hizb’s C2 is to destroy “airports, bridges, ports, infrastructures, homes, cars carrying the civilians “.
That was why the transmission towers were taken out. Yes, civilian TV stations used the towers to broadcast their signals. So did cellular companies. Guess what Hizb was using to coordinate their attacks?
That was why the banks were struck. An NBC report from Beirut showed a close up of uncut US $100. Banks can’t buy uncut $100 from the US Treasury. In 2004 the US Treasury Dept issued a report that Hizb was involved in counterfeiting US currency. So you tell me - were the banks targeted randomly or did they have reason?
While you accuse Israel of not calculating the value of human life I don’t see you decrying Hizb for using human life for political gain. Time and again it has been shown that Hizb is using civilians and the UN as shields. They regularly launch from villiages, Mosques, Hospitals. This is the act of noble warriors? I could understand if this was the work of rogue elements within the movement but these are the movements tactics. Why are they the ones hiding in the underground tunnels and complexes while their families rot above?
Israel has spent millions on bomb shelters for it’s citizens. It is the only ME state in the region that has. Hizb has tunnel complexes and underground bases but when the air raid sirens go off civilians seem to be left topside - why is that?
July 28th, 2006 at 1:02 pm
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/krauthammer072806.php3
Charles Krauthammer says it better - but I doubt some here would read it because he’s a jew and part of the vast Zionicapitaliburtonbushhitler neocon conspiracy.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:06 pm
BrooklynJon, post 41 was a masterpiece. Well done.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:12 pm
Cadavre says,
“Advice - don’t fuck with Muslims - they’re good people - they’re fucking smart - and - if your work with them - you can prosper (and get laid often!)”
This is the stupidiest comment I’ve seen. Mmmm…. Muslim good, Jew bad mmmm….
I tell you what, Muslims are not the master race. You can goosestep and do the nazi salute like Hezbollah, Hamas or the Iranian Revolutionary Guard but that isnt going to make up for your lack of self confidence.
People are people no matter what your religion. Your bigotry isnt going to help you win your war against every religion on this planet.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:45 pm
To Cadavre #12:
Olmert is not even hiding in his office in Jerusalem, he is visiting and supporting in person people from the North.
You can read here, e.g.: http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=30317
Him being a complete civilian.
Yes, really, it looks very strange to me, how Hizballah “resistance fighters” can be percieved as brave defenders of Lebanese people.
Do anyone have links or just knows of efforts taken by Hizballah to protect Lebanese people from the Zionist enemy?
July 28th, 2006 at 3:54 pm
“Do anyone have links or just knows of efforts taken by Hizballah to protect Lebanese people from the Zionist enemy?”
Akinoame - you can problably go to snopes.com and search under “reports that are false”
July 28th, 2006 at 5:30 pm
To #64 Akinomi
Well - someone let IDF know a few days back that men with guns in Southern Lebanon put up more of a fight than half starved, unarmed shell shocked grandmothers and granddaughters do in Gaza.
Israel has lost. Israel now hopes that smarty pants like you find the words to help provide “intelectual” cover, on blogs like this, to begin to cast the reatreating IDF”Granny Killers” as humane, brave, wise and peacful, so they can backaway with their sissy boy - tail between the legs - not quite ready for prime time TV white zionist supremist army. I guess Col. Clink is in charger!
Interviews is one thing. Killing granny is another - but fighting SandNiggers with guns was not what IDF are usually expected to do.
I personally - want Israel to push it to the limit. This needs to end - look at what half starved SandNiggers to a real BIG goy army in Iraq -it don’t take much to figure out that Isarels IDF, even with all the TV coverage, is chump change for the SandNigger will and courage.
So here - in my best mime of tribulation glory, I cheer IDF onward - go IDF - go - go - go - sis - boom - bah - ra - ra - ra - go IDF go - charge the SandNiggers - go - go …. well ……
… hmmm - I am listening - I don’t hear tanks or jack booted ZIO-SS strorm troopers crossing the border - hmmm - I’ll cheer again later - maybe they’re waiting to see CNN replay the tapes of them waving to mommie!
I can hear IDF Sargent Binjimin Gomer Pyle now, “Does my my IDF Tank Uniform make me look fat?”
I know a lot of tuffies here are ready to down those trails the IDF shit their pants in a few daze ago - but beware - the Sandniggers in Lebanon, unlike SandNigger Granny in Gaza - have guns - the one thing they don’t have, the the IDF does have, is FEAR.
A meaningless question Akiniomi - watch TV - and you won’t have to ask the “obvious” here!
Peace
July 28th, 2006 at 7:00 pm
Reminds me of one of my favorite skits:
BLACK KNIGHT:
None shall pass.
ARTHUR:
What?
BLACK KNIGHT:
None shall pass.
ARTHUR:
I have no quarrel with you, good Sir Knight, but I must cross this bridge.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Then you shall die.
ARTHUR:
I command you, as King of the Britons, to stand aside!
BLACK KNIGHT:
I move for no man.
ARTHUR:
So be it!
ARTHUR and BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaah!, hiyaah!, etc.
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's left arm off]
ARTHUR:
Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
BLACK KNIGHT:
‘Tis but a scratch.
ARTHUR:
A scratch? Your arm’s off!
BLACK KNIGHT:
No, it isn’t.
ARTHUR:
Well, what’s that, then?
BLACK KNIGHT:
I’ve had worse.
ARTHUR:
You liar!
BLACK KNIGHT:
Come on, you pansy!
[clang]
Huyah!
[clang]
Hiyaah!
[clang]
Aaaaaaaah!
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right arm off]
ARTHUR:
Victory is mine!
[kneeling]
We thank Thee Lord, that in Thy mer–
BLACK KNIGHT:
Hah!
[kick]
Come on, then.
ARTHUR:
What?
BLACK KNIGHT:
Have at you!
[kick]
ARTHUR:
Eh. You are indeed brave, Sir Knight, but the fight is mine.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh, had enough, eh?
ARTHUR:
Look, you stupid bastard. You’ve got no arms left.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Yes, I have.
ARTHUR:
Look!
BLACK KNIGHT:
Just a flesh wound.
[kick]
ARTHUR:
Look, stop that.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Chicken!
[kick]
Chickennn!
ARTHUR:
Look, I’ll have your leg.
[kick]
Right!
[whop]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right leg off]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Right. I’ll do you for that!
ARTHUR:
You’ll what?
BLACK KNIGHT:
Come here!
ARTHUR:
What are you going to do, bleed on me?
BLACK KNIGHT:
I’m invincible!
ARTHUR:
You’re a looney.
BLACK KNIGHT:
The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you! Come on, then.
[whop]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's last leg off]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh? All right, we’ll call it a draw.
ARTHUR:
Come, Patsy.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what’s coming to you. I’ll bite your legs off!
July 28th, 2006 at 8:38 pm
To “Cow” Cuip at #41:
“Cadavre sounds like the average English, French, German, or Japanese soldier before reality whacked them in the head. Yeah, we’re soft. Keep thinking that, please.”
Let’s see - America won the battle - but if you look at commerce - Germany is the biggest exporter in the world - great machine tools - clean - not too racist - not too many Zionists - and look at Japan - the sweetest electronics and internal combustion engoines in the worlsd - doing great - all have heealth care, birth to grave care for their citizens.
Japanese Zionism - non-existent - except for that SONY USA BMG RootKit Exploit (from Israel - therough SONY America - whose CEO is a Zionist - but at least the top drawer bosses at SONY are still Japaneese) wow - now that would be “extreme” Orientalism (how would Noah’s adventure explain that un).
And there is chip - Dumbed Down in America - supplementing his little pee pee with a big ole shiny GM pickup truck.
Chip - the phony rich American in his best Wal Mart off-the-rack - revisiting the glory daze as a Mall Rat - growing up in an uncaring American Town and learning “cash register” skills at high school!
That’s America - Americans are cared for about as much as they care for each other - IOW - no one cares - we borrow 4 Billion a month - so CHip can go to Wal Mart and get some wax - to shine his pick - that he can’t afford the gasoline for -.
Chippies Kids go to school and can’t compete with he real world - so his kids are taught, in school, to feel chosen - to feel special - so they can run a cash register at Mc Donalds when the graduate from High School.
Yeah - you sound like the phony tuff - the phoney rich - the Wal Mart elite - the dreggs of a “winner” chip - everyone else passes us by - and you call em loosers - while you polish that pickup truck you can no longer afford to drive!
Lucky - clever - like a deer in the middle of the highway, ole “Cow” CHippie got’ the swagger - but lacks the sense to discern value from tinsel - you go Chippie - show em the tuff phony bluff of a citizen in a Nation in decline - show em chippie - make up for the half starved SandNiggers kicking the shit out of the Big Green Killing Machine cowering behind the green line in Bagdad - you show em Chip!
July 28th, 2006 at 11:42 pm
Zing! Such insight! Truely the makings of a modern Voltaire! Hugs all around I say! Hugs all around!
July 29th, 2006 at 8:21 am
To #69 - Love your index Mr Dan Irving. (tee hee hee!)
“Zing!”
And that’s why - that’s why I don’t do two shows a night - I just dont.
Peace
July 29th, 2006 at 10:40 am
Israel is not by any means pefect , it is away by any means from this word. It might care for its citizens .. true but in the sake of making up its country its hands were very bloody , taking from palestine their country , killiing and torturng palestine men, children, women. Dragging people from their homes, knocking down the building on their heads … The history speaks clearly about them but the media never focuses on this aspect…trying to mislead people and making them look Trying to make hezbollah the only terrorist , what about them ..aren’t they the biggest terrorist ? what about the thousands and millions of Arab victims? No light is shed upon them. The people whom their houses bulldozed, their arms and legs torn off, them men and women who were dragged off and tortured… etc etc. No light were shed upon them?
That is why i am saying that they never care about human beings, it is not because hazbollah are citizens that is why they are hitting the civilians and bombing the cars carrying them … it is because it was never in their history the humans calculations (other than themselves).. they would do anything to get what they wan by any cost on the account of any body.
They are helping out casulaities from Beirut ..how ironic? they hit them, bun them and then try to help them out , why dont we ask the lenaeese and search on the net and see whether they are grateful for what Israel did to them so far or not.
July 29th, 2006 at 2:04 pm
#67,
That skit is hilarious. So applicable to this situation.
July 29th, 2006 at 10:55 pm
Cadavre you are an anti-Semitic bigot.
Your whole worldview revolves around Zionism. That is sad for you, because Israel is here to stay.
Sucka