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Monday, 7 Aug 2006
I open yahoo news and I see this item: " Chavez accuses Israel of 'New Holocaust' ", and it made me wonder about something:
Seriously now, why is it that whenever someone talks negatively about the Israeli actions, they use Nazi speak? Don't they see anything wrong about this at all?
Don't get me wrong, I am not belitteling the deaths caused by the IDF or the numerous questionable actiosn the Israeli government took over the years (The whole Netenyaho as PM period, what was THAT about?), however, don't you think that nazi comparisons are a little, I dunno, too much?
I am not arguing against them from a sensitivity point of view either, altough it is kinda fucked up to keep calling them nazis (That's kinda like calling the Pleastinians zionists if you don't get why that is insensitive, and its really funny that we call for their annihilation, and sell Mein Kampf on the streets of Cairo, but call them Nazis). Nope, not worried about their self-esteem. They got thick skin. They can take it. I am simply arguing against it from an accuracy point of view, because I honestly think that using such comparisons belittle what the Nazis have done.
Think about it. Calling what's going on in Lebanon a new Holocaust is an offense to the Holocaust itself. The Holcaust was massive. Millions and Millions died in it, and died deliberatly in a massacare of ruthless prussian efficiency. The Nazis line itemd genocide. They treated it like a product. It was organized, orderly, efficient and massive in its scope. If you would try to describe the Israeli bombing of Lebanon, would you use any of those adjectives?
The Nazis wanted to kill all the Jews, and they nearly succeeded. They took no prisoners, didn't give a damn what anyone thought and drowned europe in a pool of blood. That was the Holocaust. What Israel is doing to Hezbollah? Not even comparable. They themselves said that they can't even kill them all. They ask people to evacuate before they bomb the area they are. Hezbollah is unleashing everything they have, and they are killing whomever they can kill. Can You honestly say that the Israelis are doing the same in Lebanon? Even the comparison using the palestinians isn't valid, because if Israel is really committing genocide against the Pleastinians for the past 50 years, they are doing a really horrible job at it. The Palestinian population in west bank and Gaza in 48? 500,000. The Palestinian population after 50 years under the "Nazi" zionist regime and their "holocaust"? 8 million. That's a 1600% increase. Jews must be really inefficient at that whole ethnic cleansing thing.
Listen, the only thing that the Nazi regime and the Zionist regime have in common is that they are both RACIST REGIMES. The Nazis thought the aryans were the master race, and the zionist call their Jews the chosen people, and they both favored their race above all others. But Racism ≠ Nazi-ism, and even this racist mentality isn't exclusive to the Nazi or the Zionist governments. Check Saudi with the christians, and Turkey with the Kurds if you doubt what I am saying. So yes, call them racist. Call them ruthless in their retaliation. But don't call them Nazis. You will just make yourself look stupid.
In other news, more people died in Darfur last week than this war and the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon COMBINED. Do you care? Of course not. Bunch of black monkeys killing eachother, right? I mean, they are arabs, and muslims, but they are darkies, and we just don't care about those muslims. And make no mistake, what's happening there is closer to Genocide than anything Israel has ever done. But who cares about dead black babies anyway? Right?
August 7th, 2006 at 12:57 pm
“Check Saudi with the christians”
How can a Saudi that discriminates against Christians be a racist for discriminating someone of a diferent RELIGION?
The Saudis discriminate Christians not basing their prejudices on race. They are religiously intolerant, and to be honest this intolerance is widespread in most of the Muslim world - why are Iraqi Christians fleeing? Why are Zoroastrian Persians virtual prisoners in their own country? How about Pakistani Christians? Why is it that I can get three years in prison if I read a Bible in a Moroccan street? Why can’t Copts repair their own churches without a government permission?
Why was the “racist” and religiously intolerant Turkish film “Valley of the Wolves” (a film that portrays Jewish doctors harvesting human organs in Abu Graib) a big hit in Turkey? Why is it that the number1 2005 best seller in Turkey was Mein Kampf?
Zionists are not the ones obsessed with the Nazis. Chavez is a complete clown, and Muslims and complete hypocrites. If a non Muslim kills a Muslim, all hell breaks lose, when a Muslim kills a non Muslim, you people either don’t give a fuck, or you go to the streets to celebrate… what the fuck is that all about? When the Asian Tsunami hit, most of the money came from westerners when most of the victims were Muslim…when was the last time that a Muslim gave money to a non-Muslim charity (when dawa is not involved)?
And then you wonder why you are hated (or in the very least feared) by most westerners, which is the first step to be discriminated when you come to our countries…
To complete this “I’m up to my neck with this permanent Middle Eastern bullshit”, let me just say that if my country had received 10% of what yours has received in economic aid from America since 1973, we would have altars to worship the “great Satan”.
I am not Jewish and I am not American, I don’t even know any Jews. I am one of those Europeans from the fed up silent majority, one of the few that doesn’t fall for all the propaganda (did you know that several of the tragic Reuters photos from Qana were doctored with photoshop? Check LGF for news). I support Israel, and you know why? Because they are sane, they just want to go on with their lives while their neighbours want to continue being drama queens.
With the exception of dates, raisins, cheap rugs and hashish (oil production not included) you guys don’t produce ANYTHING. Your own country is keeping Ethiopia dry because you don’t let them use the Nile… you simply don’t give shit about their droughts… And your biggest concern in the world is that JOOOS are opressing Palestinians (an ethnicity that doesn’t even exist - before 1967 they were Gazans were Egyptian and West Bankers were Jordanian), and an ethnicity that you don’t give a fuck about (otherwise why is it that most Arab countries don’t allow them to settle permanently and insist in keeping them as refugees?
You guys are all hypocrites. This is all a VERY BAD MOVIE and I am fed up with this shit. Up to my neck.
August 7th, 2006 at 1:15 pm
…and we have another suicide bomber
August 7th, 2006 at 1:17 pm
why is it that whenever someone talks negatively about the Israeli actions, they use Nazi speak?
Because they are trying to:
a) hurt and shame Israelis and they think calling them Nazis (to the people who know the most about the Nazis, btw) will do that - and some idiot Israelis (Ilan Pappe, for example) assist them with this;
b) because if they scream it loud enough, they think the world will come around to their position and help stop the 4th Reich
c) because they lack the sufficient mental capacity and patience to make a proper, effective analogy.
The irony: in the part of the world that now is the leading proponent of Holocaust denial, they are also the first to use the “Nazi” epithet.
SM: “Listen, the only thing that the Nazi regime and the Zionist regime have in common is that they are both RACIST REGIMES.”
RE: that thought.
SM, your country is formally called the “Arab Republic of Egypt.”
That’s pretty racist too, right?
August 7th, 2006 at 1:18 pm
It isn’t Zionists that call Jews the chosen people; it’s the Bible, starting with Genesis. It’s not racist; Judaism is a NATIONAL religion. One can be Jewish by birth or by conversion, just as one can be American by birth or by naturalization.
August 7th, 2006 at 1:33 pm
Well SM, another fine posting. I have little to add, except for the widely accepted theory that by Nazi-fying the Jews/Israel/Zionists, nations the world over (esp in Europe) are then able to feel better about having done nothing to help the Jews during the Holocaust……
Regarding Darfur: a fine point, one that I bring up often but that interests nobody. How many black African muslims have been slaughtered in the past year? certainly far more than have ever died in Israel or Palestine, or all Israel’s wars combined since 1948. But like you say, who cares if Muslims kill Muslims - its only when the hook-nosed Nazis join the fight that suddenly the Arab world bands together and condemn the “agressor”. do something concrete or help their so-called brothers? nah. why pick the injured kid up when you can photograph him instead!
August 7th, 2006 at 1:35 pm
Follow up to Ben F and to put it bluntly: becoming jewish is like naturalising to a citizenship of some country, e.g. france.
August 7th, 2006 at 1:35 pm
In Brazil:
“A synagogue in a Sao Paulo suburb was vandalized over the weekend by unidentified men throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails, O Globo reported Sunday.
Brazilian authorities said outside the Jewish house of worship, spray painted on the sidewalk, were the words: “Lebanon, the true Holocaust.”
http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20060806-051447-4828r.htm
So we have, in one incident:
a) Holocaust denial;
b) Vandalism;
b) The notion that less than a thousand Lebanese dying (which is incredibly tragic and awful) in a war started by Hizballah is more of a Holocaust than 6 million Jews systematically slaughtered in concentration camps.
This kind of stuff rhetoric does have a populist appeal, and it does even sway some of the elites in Europe like the Greta van Duisenberg’s of the world - but the responsible adults - even the ones that tend to not like Israel - know exactly what’s going on here.
August 7th, 2006 at 1:35 pm
Actually Sandmonkey, all national movements are racists by your definition.Zionism doesn’t state Arabs are inferior/bad/whatever- actually in Hertzel’s “Altnoiland” he envisioned Jews and Arabs living peacefully side by side.The premise of Zionism can be worded thus:
“The Jewish people should have their own state, so that they may defend themselves better against persecution.”
The shoice of then Palestine(currently Israel) was mostly because of the strong emotional ties between Jews and that land,it is so strong that the only time Hertzel lost a vote in the Zionist Federation Congress was when he tried to push for Uganda in one of the first Zionist Congresses.
August 7th, 2006 at 1:36 pm
Heh.
Siniora:
“”This is the 26th day of the Lebanese holocaust. Israel is committing state terror,” he stated, stressing that Lebanon’s aim was to reach an immediate ceasefire based on the “Seven Points Plan.”"
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3287703,00.html
August 7th, 2006 at 1:41 pm
ouch, much as it pains me to say this, this blog is becoming a must read for views on current events in the ME.
You’re right about everything. The nazi thing is used because the ‘arab’ world is a sadist bunch who know how it must hurt to keep bringing this thing up of the holocaust again and again.
And the Darfur situation, again very true. Middle easterners (can’t use arabs as egyptians aren’t arabs) are perhaps one of the most racist people groups- ‘habibi’ to the white man and this to the black man:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4571606.stm
Alex, yes i totally agree with you. In the month of July an average of 100 Iraqi muslims were killed each day by fellow muslims….yes that’s everyday. But because they weren’t killed by the Jooz noone makes a fuss. And yes you’re right, the whole of the arab world is a bunch of hypocrites and you’re not the only one to have had it up to here with the whole ME situation. Unfortunately I do not think this will ever end so we better get used to it.
correction: we produce the world’s softest cotton sheets and towels- a steal at 30euros a sheet- i know! Also we are the only country to come up with a really yummy soup with the same consistency as snot called molokhia
August 7th, 2006 at 1:45 pm
In addition, I have just seen the utterly pathetic spectacle of PM Sinoira sobbing like a child in front of the Arab League. Its about time he cried, having destroyed the country he was charged to lead, having dragged his people down with him into the gutter and yet he is unable to criticise the terrorist organisation that took him along for the ride. Snivelling Sinoira, if you are not prepared to defend your freedom, then you do not deserve it. So said a 21 year old IDF officer as he led his 19 yr old soldiers into battle……
August 7th, 2006 at 2:39 pm
Alex,
Everything you said is true. But it is not just Israel that is the target - it’s the whole of western society. The leadership of Muslim nations, religious and political, seems to be comprised almost totally of stark, raving lunatics.
The sensible voices of people like Sandmonkey are are buried beneath an avalanche of hate. Read the what Hassan Nasrallah the other day. Unbelievably, it is part of a speech asking Arab leaders to press for a truce on Hizbollah’s behalf.
But his insults are mild compared to the mullahs in Saudi Arabia and Iran.
Hassan Nasrallah: “I want to say to our Lebanese people, the peoples of our nation, and the world, and to be very clear: What has happened since the first day of this war, and is still happening, even today - the killing, massacres, destruction, brutality, and barbarism - the ones responsible for all this are, first and foremost, Bush and his American administration. In our opinion, [Israeli Prime Minister Ehud] Olmert and his government are no more than tools in this war.
“I’d like to stress this by saying that the blood of the women and children in Qana and the blood of all the elderly and the innocent civilians that has been spilled in Lebanon stains the faces of Bush, Condoleezza Rice, Rumsfeld, and Cheney. This is the murderous, criminal, aggressive, and blood-shedding administration which continues to prevent the cessation of the aggression, by making conditions and trying to dictate them.
For the rest, and many other transcripts on the rantings of lunatic Muslim political and religious leaders, go here:
http://www.memri.org/
or here:
http://www.memritv.org/
It would be laughable, except they are all deadly serious and most Muslims believe them.
August 7th, 2006 at 2:42 pm
Obviously it’s intended to be as offensive as possible but I also think that people who call this and that a holocaust or compare the war on terror to WWII are lucky enough to have no concept of how bad the second world war really was.
The raw death toll is just too big to comprehend. To try to give some perspective, here are just a few individual statistics.
300,000 Chinese civilians killed by Japanese troops in six weeks in Nanjing
1 million Russian civilians died of starvation during the siege of Leningrad
13,000 tons of explosives dropped on London in two months during the Blitz
Over 140,000 Japanese civilians killed by the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Over 100,000 killed in the firebombing of Tokyo
and 5-6 million Jews killed during the Holocaust
August 7th, 2006 at 2:46 pm
Hey SM, kinda let me down with that whole “the only thing that the Nazi regime and the Zionist regime have in common is that they are both RACIST REGIMES”. Zionism isn’t a regime, it’s a philosophy based on the idea that the Jews deserve a homeland. If you disagree with the way it is implemented, you could make an argument for that idea. Otherwise, I would have to point out the same things to you I have to eee (and I shudder at the comparison) that there are Druze who serve in the IDF, that Christians live in Israel, and so there may be tension with certain groups but it would be false and lazy to categorize that as “racist”; it’s more complicated than that.
Furthermore, as far as the whole “Chosen People” is concerned, it’s not about being chosen ’cause we’re so fabu, as I understand it. It’s about being chosen because Jews are just like everyone else, and if they can live by G-Ds laws, then we can set an example. Kind of like those Jenny Craig commercials: “If I can lose 127 pounds (and keep shabbat), then ANYONE can.” I realize that may not be how it was presented to you (from what I understand, your early education on Jews was pretty much: “They suck”) but that’s how it was meant. Take it from a daughter of a biblical archeologist.
August 7th, 2006 at 3:02 pm
SM,
Wow. It looks like you touched a nerve.
And Hannah’s right. “Chosen-ness” doesn’t mean “we rock, you suck.” It means “G-d told me to tell you this,” with all the attendant blaming of the messenger (us Jews). Chosen is by no means necessarily a good thing. Which is why we figure you’re nuts if you want to convert into Judaism.
Hannah, What’s up with comparing SM to eee, even in jest?
August 7th, 2006 at 3:24 pm
I think SM was referring to the following when he meant that there was some racism in the embedded mentality of Zionism: (however, this by no means- means that all Jews or Zionists do think this way, but it cannot deny that a large majority do…..) (Secondly, HezboAlla has often used the tit for tat method with Israel in regards to POW’s….never has it suddenly led to an all out war….a true failure on behalf of Olmert in my opinion.)
“The late Israeli academic and human rights advocate, Israel Shahak, traced the roots of Israeli public justification for killing Palestinians, for instance, to similar readings of the tenets of Halakhah. While the murder of a Jew is considered a capital offence in Jewish law, the murder of a Gentile is treated quite differently. “A Jew who murders a Gentile,” Shahak reveals, “is guilty only of a sin against the laws of heaven, not punishable by court.” Indirectly, but intentionally, causing the death of a Gentile is “no sin at all.”[6] A booklet published in 1973 by the Central Region Command of the Israeli army subscribes to this same doctrine. In it, the Command’s Chief Chaplain writes:
“When our forces come across civilians during a war or in hot pursuit or in a raid, so long as there is no certainty that those civilians are incapable of harming our forces, then according to the Halakhah they may and even should be killed … Under no circumstances should an Arab be trusted, even if he makes an impression of being civilized … In war, when our forces storm the enemy, they are allowed and even enjoined by the Halakhah to kill even good civilians, that is, civilians who are ostensibly good.[7]“
August 7th, 2006 at 3:44 pm
SM, I think the irony or hypocracy of calling Israeli actions a holocaust is clearly intentional. I think those who do it, Arabs, Chavez, “Jews Against Zionism”, do it to say, “look what happend to you, and now look what your doing to others” obviously the numbers arent comparible but there are endless examples of mass genocides in history, the reason why the term Holocaust is used is because the Jewish Holocaust is the only one anyone knows or cares about. Dont forget the genocides in Angola or The Armenians, the Assyrians, the Naitive American Indians, the 12 million Russians killed by Stalin, most of which being Clergy and lay people. No one cares about that however. Darfur is a good example, but people do care, I’m proud to say I have many family and friends in Egypt actively rescuing people from Darfur. So why do people use the term Holocaust, because its the only Genocide the world knows about, it has become a buzz word.
August 7th, 2006 at 3:50 pm
Im sorry, but where, except for a few of the extreme religious zionists did “chosesn peoplehood” come into the equation.
You need to remember that Zionism was founded by people who were not especially religious and that Zionism is a textbook case of nationalism. The only difference is that it is nationalism in a group that had been exciled from thier physical nation for milenia. Now if Zionism is racism, than every single national movement and national pride is racism as well.
The only racism that might have crept into israel is simply the after effect of getting attacked constantly and continuously by the same group of people for decades, a group that has made it their goal to eliminate you and your nation from the face of the earth and for whom every statment is positivly soaked in the kind of racist language that should cause that worl to shun them
let me quote from acticle 7 of the Hamas Charter:
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
But thats not racist…thats just ….resistance?
August 7th, 2006 at 3:56 pm
In the circles I run in when anyone throws out the Nazi comparison it is a sign that you have won the arguement because it means they have run out of sonstructive things to say. Along with throwing out insulting words both are a substitute for real intellegience. Try just smirking the next time some looney tune says something like that in front of you. It drives them crazy and they tend towards meltdown mode. Noting like shrieking moonbats for free entertainment!
August 7th, 2006 at 4:11 pm
I found your Darfur comment to be interesting- the only group of people that I see making a big stink about Darfur happen to be the Jews. Very few people seem to care, except for us.
That said, we also need to realize that in comparison to other conflicts, Arab-Israeli conflicts are minor when one looks at the total number of deaths and destruction. However, the Arab-Israeli conflicts tend to be overly hyped and publicized in comparison to Rwanada or Darfur. If one Israeli or Arab gets killed it’s front page news, but if 2,000 Sudanese get massacred a brief article might appear on page 23 of the New York Times.
And people misuse the term genocide all of the time- genocide denotes calculated, planned extermination of a people or peoples. I wonder if any of these people claiming genocide actually looked at the population statistics of those peoples under so-called Israeli occupation- you’ll see a net increase in population, with far more deaths from vehicle accidents and cancer than any Israeli “aggression.”
August 7th, 2006 at 4:21 pm
I think we are all screwed; Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Westerners, Easterners… All of us.
Living in North America, I see it as looking out over the ocean and seeing a slow moving black cloud coming my way. It is already raining hard in Europe; it is a devestating tsunami in the middle east, it is starting to drizzle in North America. Some people stand out in the storm unaware that lightening might strike at any moment. After all, they have things they need to do.
August 7th, 2006 at 4:38 pm
Chavez just does his best to please his allies (Iran, most notably) by condemning Israel as harshly as possibly. It does not matter that his comparisons are beyond any reason — they are just meant to be extreme and loud, not anywhere close to truth. Political exaggeration, you may say.
August 7th, 2006 at 4:53 pm
Dr. Guy
“the only group of people that I see making a big stink about Darfur happen to be the Jews.”
Hmmm thats interesting here is the official Save Darfur Website which is a collection of over 100 faith based organizations. I’m sorry to burst your bubble but there are alot of people reguardless of race or religion who are trying to do something. I personally met and worked with a group of humanitarians serving on the international council to save Darfur. None in that group of 100 spanning 32 differnt countries and from various religious backgrounds happend to be Jewish, so dont go around touting your self-rightous rhetoric, that no one cares but the jews.
http://www.savedarfur.org/
August 7th, 2006 at 4:54 pm
Racism is very difficult to attribute to the nowaday Israel. It is enough to walk into a street in Israel — you see a multi-colored mixture of “traditional races”, and most of them Jews. European, Ethyopean, Indian, Iranian, …. — Jews.
And even Arabs, while a traditinal enemy for 85 years at least — live and profit among those “racist” Jews, participate in the Parlament. Though there is a certain tension between Jews and Arabs in Israel (understandably), the co-existence clearly denies any thought of racism, to my mind. There is much more tension between nations/religions in Lebanon.
The mere fact that it needs deep thinking and “tracing the roots” to find “racism” of the Jews, demonstrates that this idea is very-very-very artificial.
August 7th, 2006 at 5:02 pm
Zionism is nationalism, just like Arabism, Baathism, Nazism, etc. and can be racist. Nationalism are inherently exclusionary and lead to bigotry in heavy doses. Not all Zionists are racists though, just like not all Arabists are. When you do things in the name of Zionism or Arabism, especially in military or political contexts, you’re usually going to end up looking like a racist. If you displace Arabs because you want a more Jewish patch of land or if you chase Jews into the Med. because you don’t want them in Gaza city or wherever, or take away the citizenship of Jews (like in Egypt), you’re a racist, I don’t care whether or not Zionism or Arab nationalism says its ok. Everybody is a little bit racist (I won’t lie, I have my own prejudices against “real” Middle Easterners, caucasians, etc as I’m sure others do), and every national ideal is too. The difference is how that is expressed, if at all. When Arabs stop having Arab Republics, taking citizenship away from Jews and Kurds, pretending that Berbers are just Arabs with funny accents, stop pretending that Persians and Shias have tails, and allow blacks and South/Southeast Asians to be equal in the Gulf then they can talk about how racist and evil the Zionists are with respect to their national idea. That would be an ideal situation, but obviously the world is not ideal and people are ignorant and want to push their political aims. So its not nice to call Zionists Nazis because it hurts their feelings, but it is not nice for hardline Zionists to call Arabs cockroaches and try to displace them from their lands illegally. But it’s also not nice to exile people because they’re Jewish, or to gas them because they’re Kurdish. Both sides behave and shout at eachother poorly I think. But the Nazi accusations will not stop.
BTW the Baath Party and pretty much all the other forms of pan-Arab nationalism, including the whole “you speak Arabic, you’re an Arab, bitch!” mentality, arose because some loser that didn’t even speak Arabic wanted Arabs to be like Germans and east Europeans and have a chauvanistic linguistic and racialist identity. It’s all basedoff the same ideas and philosophy that Nazism is and the Baath Party is nothing but a mixture of Nazism and Stalinism and some traditional Levantine anti-Semitism/Perso-Kurd bigotry. What do you expect from a region whose collective identity is based off of this?
August 7th, 2006 at 5:07 pm
Hey Clear -
I love Molokhaia and it’s snotty consistency! It’s delicious with farakh. And we do make some bad ass cotton!!
Alex - You were spot on! It’s nice to hear that perspective from a European. And I think you’re right, Europeans are slowly but surely waking up to what’s going on. It will take Islamo-fascism’s continuing rise…but eventually the whole of Europe will wake up to WWIV.
August 7th, 2006 at 5:10 pm
Nouri, I think I love you, well said!
August 7th, 2006 at 5:14 pm
Quoting yonatan bryant quoting Hamas Charter (article 7):
“Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.”
LOL - what’s that about? One of the trees of the Jews? I didn’t know we had a tree … Who’s responsible for writing the bit in the charter about the trees? What were they smoking at the time? And do they have any to spare?
Apart from that, I have to say, it cracks me up sideways every time I see the word “JOOOZ”. Even writing it just now made me chuckle.
August 7th, 2006 at 5:17 pm
Oh thanks Egypeter for the inspiration and here I am thinking what to cook for dinner Molokhia with Farakh yummmy
Shobrawy, want to come over for dinner ? 
August 7th, 2006 at 5:32 pm
They Godwin’d themselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law
August 7th, 2006 at 5:37 pm
Definately would be interested in some Molohia and Farakh, and maybe some fettah. mmmmmm
August 7th, 2006 at 5:47 pm
I think the reason for continually misusing the words “Nazi” and “holocaust” is to make the words meaningless, so that they cannot be used to describe organisations like Hezb’allah and their plans for the Jews.
I have no doubt that they plan, if they possibly can, to kill every Israeli, and then go on to kill any Jews that live in other countries. It is so easy to stir up anti-Semitism, even in Britain or the US, that they may well succeed. Racial hatred is truly evil.
August 7th, 2006 at 6:02 pm
Yemenite chilbe is snotty in consistency too.
August 7th, 2006 at 6:08 pm
as long as you don’t bring your uncle Shobrawy lol
I will make all the dishes you want 
August 7th, 2006 at 6:21 pm
Wow monkey, you the man!!
As for the CHOSEN part. Quite simply, it means that Jews were chosen for special tasks (or burdens). These are known as the commandments.
Also, Jews were not the first people that G-d asked to accept the commandments. The first few groups refused. Would you want 613 commandments controlling how you lived your life? Get over the chosen thing will ya.
August 7th, 2006 at 6:29 pm
I’m having more and more trouble reading blog-news now… every piece contains an element of that which is horrible and that which I as an American can do nothing about.
Israel and the USA have doubtlessly erred and fallen short of righteousness, but that’s not what is at stake here. Constant hatred and wickedness must be stopped. I was not alive then, but we as Americans had to and are still atoning for our destruction of the American Indian and our treatment of the Africans that we imported as slaves. 620,000 American lives were lost in the War Between The States (the US civil war) and no doubt the blood was partly our atonement for our grevious errors. Even into the 60’s we had to combat hate and racism within our own borders– belief that our black brothers and sisters were somehow inferior. As a man with a strong relationship with God, I find that failures and losses of American lives in various places have been the result of our earlier errors. Sometimes, you can’t atone for something by saying you’re sorry. Sometimes God decides the punishment, and leaves it to you to figure out why. I see that the lives lost in Iraq are a sort of payment we delivered in blood for supporting Saddam back in the day. Sadly, we may have had no better choice. Just because we didn’t have a better choice didn’t make our choice any less bad.
To me this all stems from the old line: “The tree of liberty is watered with the blood of patriots.” This is why I feel the greatest respect for our armed men and women, because it seems they often pay the price in blood for that which we as the common people were unwilling to.
Back to the subject at hand (I’ll bring this thing together here) the evil committed and propagated by a lot of these Arab states makes the USA, Britain, Israel et al nowadays look like blushing schoolgirls. The Saudis– supposedly our freinds– a freindship no doubt that we will recieve recompense for in our own blood– have textbooks that make our anti-negro propaganda from back in the day look mild. But that’s not even the point. You can’t justify an evil by comparing it to another evil. It would be like Jeffrey Dahmer saying that this person and that person had committed murder, as a way to defend himself in court. That’s called– well, it doesn’t have a name, because it simply isn’t even a fallacy, its just not a justification at all.
This whole Nazi referencing is just a bloody crock of crap. They just want to hurt the Jews and specifically the Israelis in any way they can. Hate, hate, hate… welcome to Hate inc, exports: Katyushas. imports: corpses for propaganda photos. Only U.S. dollars accepted…
How do you make your enemy kill civilians? Trap them in their own houses, and then be the first on the scene to doctor the photographs to make sure it looks the way you want it to. Your colluders? The blatant and obvious Reuters and their Islamist freelancers. Oh, and the U.N. This isn’t conspiracy theorizing, its stuff that we get hit with so much we become completely numb to it.. kind of like the evils of the Cuba regime. I asked my roommate about it, and he was so callous to it, that the only thing he could say about Castro’s 4 private hospitals was: “Its good to be king…”
Mainstream Media is probably dying because, it is a form of media that is like a monarchy or oligarchy– too easily controlled by the few.
Partly the Islamists understand that if they spew hate enough people will become numb to it… like the boy crying wolf. So when they really want to act on their desires, nobody will see it coming. Why? Not because there weren’t any signs, but because there were too many.
To paraphrase the words of Jesus: “If you hate your brother in your heart then you have already murdered him.”
August 7th, 2006 at 6:31 pm
Shobrawy,
Sorry you don’t know any Jews fighting against the genocide of black Muslims and Christians (by Arabs) in Darfur. Where I live the Jewish schools, my synagogue, the Jewish Federation, and the Jewish students at the local University have have all had fundraisers for Darfur. And that is just a fraction of what is happening in my community. So what you don’t know just proves you are not aware of what we are doing and not that we are doing nothing, dude.
August 7th, 2006 at 6:34 pm
Once again, a great post and great debate.
August 7th, 2006 at 6:37 pm
In my college fellowship, Intervarsity Christian Fellowship, there was a big push (and involvement) in the Darfur Freedom Walk.
Our fellowship however was and has been poisoned by a level of multiculturalism… but at least they still have eyes to see evil.
August 7th, 2006 at 6:49 pm
Karen
Keep your panties on I didnt suggest that NO jews are working for Darfur, I clearly said that “there are alot of people reguardless of race or religion who are trying to do something” in Darfur. The fact that I met many relief workers and none were jewish is to outline the point that clearly Dr.Guys comment “the only group of people that I see making a big stink about Darfur happen to be the Jews.” is simply untrue. Apparently that went over your head or you barely read my comment.
“Shobrawy your so clever”
August 7th, 2006 at 6:58 pm
River.
“To paraphrase the words of Jesus: “If you hate your brother in your heart then you have already murdered him.””
This is the most sick part of your post, you are actually bringing Jesus into this? you want to paraphrase your nonsense talk to make it a Jesus talk.
August 7th, 2006 at 7:06 pm
My panties are on doof, and I read your whole comment. Darfur is a big issue in my community. Whether you have met any Jews working on the cause or not is irrelevant.
And how would you know a Jew if you met one unless they told you they were Jewish? We come in all colours and shapes and sizes.
August 7th, 2006 at 7:10 pm
“We come in all colours and shapes and sizes.”
I was wondering how you look like karen
btw I got in touch with Raccoony he is halarious as usual. Can you imagine each of us with a picture shouting in SM blog. I wonder when we will see a video blogging feature 
that will be interesting 
August 7th, 2006 at 7:13 pm
*hilarious
August 7th, 2006 at 7:21 pm
Egypeter,
“Also we are the only country to come up with a really yummy soup”
dude, i was in no way dissing molokhia, it is afterall our only real national dish, well along with koshari and fool.
Twosret,
it is actually quite rude in our culture to talk about molokhia under our noses and not invite us round.
Sorry for reducing this discussion to one about molokhia- so easy to digress when it comes to food though
August 7th, 2006 at 7:30 pm
Clear,
Paleeze I would never turn an Egyptian or Non-Egyptian down when it comes to my Molokhia and Fetta
I promise a royal one with perfect rice 
The discussion needs some Molokhia with Farakh, I can challange any Rabbi (local from the US or imported from Israel) for inspection of my Molokhia to prove that it is not Kosher lol
August 7th, 2006 at 7:33 pm
Hi Twosret,
I’m glad to contacted Raccoon and I’m glad he is well. A video blogging feature? Doesn’t sound too good to me. People aren’t their most attractive when they are angry. Anyways, I’m going out. Catch you later.
What is molokhia etc.? Will check your response when I come back.
August 7th, 2006 at 8:08 pm
I must protest the implyment that zionism is a racist regime. first of all, as someone mentioned befor, it’s not a regime at all. it’s a movement. and even if some modern zionists (like the “settlers”) are abit racsit at times, they are only one branch of zionism, and by no way the majority (as proven in the withdrawl from gaza).
if you ment that israel, as a country, is racist, I have to protest that too. I admit we’re not an utopic state where arabs are treated exactly like jews, and women don’t usually earn as much as men, but compared to other western countries, we’re not doing that bad. it’s a far-far way from being “racist”.
but I really liked the idea of calling phalestinians “zionists”…
August 7th, 2006 at 8:20 pm
oh, and speaking of darfur. how come every year, when the UN notes slavery day, africans accuse european and americans for the slave trade, and neglect to mention that it were arabs who ventured deep into africa, captured the natives and sold them to the white slave traders? there’s enough blame to go around, if you ask me. but, as we all know, it’s all politics.
August 7th, 2006 at 8:27 pm
Nadav, Your forgot to say “I protest ” on post #49
August 7th, 2006 at 8:39 pm
It’s amazing to me that your self evident comments about the Nazi epithet get such an outpouring. That said, it was well stated.
Your Darfour remark however, chilled me, so true, so true.
August 7th, 2006 at 8:44 pm
Twosret-
“Molokhia with Farakh”
You know what mate?….That’s just not fair!. And that goes for the rest of you lot too!….Look at you all….Going on about “Molokhia” and “Farakh”. I can just imagine you all sitting there with your eyes all glazed over, mouths watering at the thought of it. I had to go and look up the recipes and meanings of what you were saying and I say again: That’s just not fair!.
I know most Brits’ culinary adventures never usually go farther than a curry but my stomach and I will never forgive any of you for keeping that one quiet. Do you know what it’s like to read some of those recipes and then sit there pretending the pizza you’re munching on is anything other than junk fare?.
I’m sulking now……
Ps: Nice to know you’ve heard from Raccoon and that he’s ok, Twosret. I thought you were going to have a breakdown when he disappeared from here
August 7th, 2006 at 8:54 pm
“I know most Brits’ culinary adventures never usually go farther than a curry”
Speak for yourself! I’ve had some quite scary culinary adventures. I tried chicken’s feet for the first time this year. Probably for the last time too mind.
August 7th, 2006 at 9:02 pm
To me this all stems from the old line: “The tree of liberty is watered with the blood of patriots.”
That was written by Thomas Jefferson: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.”
/carry on
August 7th, 2006 at 9:09 pm
#53 Stephen
Hehehe……..Chickens feet?……. You have only yourself to blame for that mate
August 7th, 2006 at 9:13 pm
I agree with everything SM says except the point at which he describes the Zionist regime as racist. That there are racist Zionists out there is undoubtedly true, but there are also racist Palestinian nationalists out there.
First of all, the Zionists didn’t call Jews the Chosen People. Many–make that most–Zionists were secular nationalists and were motivated by a desire for sovereignty and a sense of roots, tradition, and what they considered to be history, not by religious doctrine. The notion of the “Chosen People” was a religious one, with no racial notion attached to it. It simply meant that the Jews had a covenant with God. Many Christians think that they have inherited this convenant, and Muslims think that they were the carriers of God’s final message. All religions think that they’re the true one, even if they preach tolerance of others. It’s only natural.
Secondly, Zionism is nationalist–not racist–in its philosophy. The Nazis preached racism as such. They believed in races as the organizing principle for relations among the peoples of the world, historically and in their own times. And they maintained that the “Aryans” were inherently superior to all other races. Zionism did not preach that races matter above all else, or at all; nor did they maintain that any races were above any others. They only preached that their group deserved their own national home. The founding principles of Zionism contained nothing about other nations or races or religions being inferior to their own. They were self-centered because they were consumed with their own history, but they weren’t after putting down anyone else. That doesn’t mean that Zionists cannot be racist or that there haven’t been plenty of racist policies on the part of Israel. But this is more of a reactive racism: hostility towards an enemy against which they’ve been at constant war– and the dehumanization that results. The same could be said for the Arabs in their views of Israelis, and of Jews in general. The same could be said for many nations at war; you need only look at how Americans regarded the Vietnamese, or see US anti-Japan or anti-German propaganda from WW2.
As for the original views of Zionism, I remember reading one of the earliest tracts of the Zionist movement, I think it was a novel called Altneuland. The idealized view the novel showed was that of a Jewish homeland with Jews living at peace among other groups, and no one minding about boundaries.. Note that this was a fundamental text in the founding of the Zionist movement.
This doesn’t mean that the early Zionists were free of racist instincts. The very fact that they could ignore the Arabs in their midst shows a deep-seated insensitivity, a cognitive dissonance, that they more than likely shared with many Europeans.
Thirdly, any nationalism is bound to be somewhat exclusivist, if only by implication. Please don’t tell me that anyone takes that “secular, democratic state of Palestine” line seriously. Of course, Palestinian nationalism has no real place for Jews either. When they’re not being frank about wanting all the Jews out, they skirt the topic. Or imply that Jews whose antecedents had arrived before a certain date would be allowed to stay, and then they get cagey about what date that would be (1918? 1880? the Stone Age?). Jews, in reality would be tolerated as a tiny, humbled minority. If at all!.
But my point is that all nationalisms, even those sanctified by the left, are necessarily exclusivist to a certain degree, even if they don’t aim to be. Algeria was for the Algerians, not for the French or other Europeans whose families had been living there for generations. Polish anti-Nazi nationalism explicitely excluded the Jews in their midst. Does this mean that nationalism by definition equals racism? No. It just means that nationalism can be racist, under the right circumstances. It also means that nations busy fighting for their existence or their own right to national expression may not want to exist in a multi-cultural format like Canada’s or Australia’s (both very new in their histories, by the way). Even if they explicitely promote tolerance of minorities within their midst (as committed Zionists have done), their real concern is the fate of their own people (ditto with those committed Zionists). People read accounts of Irish nationalism with sympathy, but that’s because they didn’t have minorities among them; and they certainly still have little place for Protestants in their scheme of things (vice verse too, I’m afraid).
Zionism is Israeli nationalism, or a form of Jewish nationalism, pure and simple. It wants for the Jews what the Arabs or Vietnamese or the Irish or whoever want for themselves: self determination. That the Zionists wanted self-determination in a land claimed by Arabs is their tragic misfortune. Not to mention the tragic misfortune of the Arabs! But that is not to say that Zionism is inherently a racist philosophy, any more than Arab nationalism is fundamentally or philisophically racist.
By the way, note that I said that Zionism is a form of Jewish nationalism. That was not a typo. There was another sort of Jewish nationalism: the Ashkenazi Jewish nationalism represented by the left-wing Jewish Bund. They favored a Yiddish-language Jewish nationalism based in Europe, with no country but with a strong cultural autonomy. But they were opposed by the Communists (among whom they sought allies) and by everyone else. Not surprisingly, they were eventually stamped out by the Stalinists and by the Nazis (and by the Poles and the Ukrainians, and so on).
Some may say that Zionism is inherently racist because it is based on the taking of someone else’s land. But that gets into a whole other issue that I don’t feel qualified to even touch. My point simply is that Zionism is not a racist philosophy.
August 7th, 2006 at 9:28 pm
“None in that group of 100 spanning 32 differnt countries and from various religious backgrounds happend to be Jewish”
I’m not into pointing fingers about who’s concerned with Darfur — people from across race and faith backgrounds in the US are clearly involved in Save Darfur efforts — but this sentence calls for a correction. On the list of 100 organizations mentioned in that comment, there are quite a few Jewish orgs listed, including the first one on the list. http://www.savedarfur.org/about/signatories
In fact, the Save Darfur coalition began at a summit put together by the US Holocaust Memorial Museum and the American Jewish World Service.
August 7th, 2006 at 9:34 pm
Good post SM. Articulates most of what really annoys me coming out of the Arab world. The “drama-queens” of the desert have made it hard for many to take anything they say seriously.
Case in point:
Interesting Sinoria was crying to the Arab foreign ministers. Saying amongst other standard Arab “words” this: “”A terrible massacre took place at the village of Houla where more than 40 people were killed as a result of an Israeli bombardment,” the PM declared.”
Funny that it really turned out to be all untrue. Only 1 person actually died.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/07/AR2006080700254.html
Has the man no shame. Was not using all the old Arab lines not enough that he now has to make stuff up? Oh riiiiight. It was only a mistake. How convientent, and coincidental, your falsehood happened on the eve of the meeting and the correction, after.
August 7th, 2006 at 9:37 pm
Dear house nigger,
> Listen, the only thing that the Nazi regime and the Zionist regime have in common
> is that they are both RACIST REGIMES. The Nazis thought the aryans were the master
> race, and the zionist call their Jews the chosen people, and they both favored their
> race above all others.
what went wrong?
Don’t ya know, that a house nigger NEVER EVER reveals the truth about his filthy
masters?
Still can’t believe to see that insubordination…
August 7th, 2006 at 9:48 pm
On Darfur. What the point is, that I see anyways, is not that there are no Arabs nor Jews or anyone else doing anything humanitarian wise. But rather, where are the street protests, where are the demands for instant cease-fires, truces, or cessations of violence. Why no emergency meetings of the OIC or security council convening to deal with it in similar timeframe as what is demanded of Israel-Hezbollah conflict. Where is Jan Egland denouncing the Egyptian handling of Sudanese refugees. In short, where is the daily barage of media reports, numbering in the thousands, updating every single last detail?
August 7th, 2006 at 10:13 pm
Wishbone,
Raccoony is my fav. zionist Jew of all times look at him
http://www.loomcom.com/raccoons/gallery/jpegs/raccoon1.jpg
Even Haifa Wehbe is trying to copy his looks and style but no success, with her glassy eyes she looks like she was dead thirty years before they took this picture of her.
http://www.haifa-wehbe.ws/
Wishbone, if you handle Jason and his physco remarks I promise you an authentic Molokhia and fetta
he is the runaway bride from a famous mental hospital in Toronto
August 7th, 2006 at 11:43 pm
Twosret - I swear it next time I come to Egypt I’m sitting down for one of your Egyptian feasts. All this “chicken” and “Green Soup(?)” and “fetta” talk has got me starvin…all I’ve got is Stouffers Frozen food
I bet your dishes are delicious
You know that famous Egyptian saying “Eklaha zay shaklaha”…um, rough translation, “her food is like her looks”
Dad taught me that one.
August 7th, 2006 at 11:52 pm
Well Egypeter you might be able to eat my food without traveling that far. I live in the US
all what it takes is a bloggers get together and an arabic store 
August 8th, 2006 at 12:11 am
That’s right Twosret .. resort to cheapshots .. makes you real “manly”
And if I truly were the “runaway bride from a famous mental hospital you might have something to worry about no? please. If that’s the best you can do .. i’d suggest giving it up. I’m expecting you to invoke Godwins Law soon enough.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law
Seriously. If you have a logic arguement to my posts then, by all means, bring them up. If you chose to throw around various names and labels as in most of your responses to others that I’ve noticed. Then expect to get the same in return and have anything valid you may have to say to get tossed out with the trash (where your favourite “zionist” Racoony likes to hang out)
The fact that you can actually put more than 2 sentences into a post makes your attitude one more noxious than eee’s hate filled rants.
Just to make sure you haven’t missed the “love” today. You are an “intellectual” bigot. You can go wack off to whatever death porn you find most ameniable to your perverted desires. That time would actually be better spent than your lame attempts at slander me or insulting my honour.
*note: If you think you insults make me “mad” or “upset”, really all your doing is giving me a laugh.*
August 8th, 2006 at 12:14 am
Karen,
Molokhia is a national Egyptian dish, it is made of chicken broth and Jews mellow (now that is a plant not an insult to Jews lol) the scientific name Corchorus olitorius. It grows in the ground and looks like stems with leaves slightly bigger than mint. You mince it and cook it in a home made chicken broth so it looks like green soup.
You need some authentic tips about how to make Molokhia, it is very yummy and delicious despite the slimy texture. I’m not sure about the nutrition value of Molokhia but it is so delicious that I don’t care:) the protein is there in the broth anyway. Farakh is chicken and the Molokhia broth is made with different kinds of meat poultry and even fish: chicken, meat, pigeons (yes the savage Arabs eat pigeons), duck , rabbit (yes we join the savage French and eat bunnies)or even fish broth. Most people eat it with either rabbit or chicken broth.
Fetta is a very festive dish in Egypt, ingredients are simple, rice, pita bread, and chicken broth or meat broth with garlic sauce with white vinegar. As simple as it sounds it is one of the most delicious.
If ever interested in recipes I have written some and saved them for family and friends, I can e-mail you a matzo ball soup recipe too that my Jewish friends complement me on
August 8th, 2006 at 12:16 am
Ok Jason I take back the runaway bride you are the little mermaid of the arabs
http://www.haifa-wehbe.ws/haifa-wehbe-photos/view.php?gid=1&phid=4
August 8th, 2006 at 12:39 am
Twosret-
There’s really nothing to handle where Jason’s concerned mate. I respect his right to express his opinion, no less than I respect your right to do the same. The problem is that a lot of the arguments presented (by many, not just Jason) are becoming cyclic in nature: They don’t seem to be discussions as such; Rather battles of words with many and various news pieces and blog reports being presented as the be all and end all of proof of who’s right and who’s wrong.
I have my own views on this conflict, but I don’t see any point in expressing them here too strongly. From reading these threads I know for sure you’d disagree with me just as strongly, so I prefer to preemptively agree to disagree with you. Knowing how you feel, I’d be no better than the trolls if I tried to rub your nose in my opinion. Worse, it would be arrogant of me to presume, no matter how eloquent my argument, or no matter how many links I provided as proof, or whatever, that you would suddenly and miraculously be converted to my point of view.
I’d much rather, on the whole, that the fighting stopped now for the sake of both Israel and Lebanon and apportion blame later if need be.
No matter whether I disagree with you or not, you fight your corner passionately and I’ve seen you attacked for it and even told to be quiet if you didn’t like it before today. I will express a strong opinion about that
Besides that…….like the stray mutt that I am, I’ll wag my tail and fight the world for anyone that offers me a meal
August 8th, 2006 at 12:51 am
wishbone,
Thanks for your comments, Jason always jumps his gun without even understanding what he is refering to.
“Then expect to get the same in return and have anything valid you may have to say to get tossed out with the trash (where your favourite “zionist” Racoony likes to hang out)”
He is even dragging Raccoony in it without knowing who Raccoony is or what I’m refering to. To add insult to death he is calling me “manly”
“You can go wack off to whatever death porn you find most ameniable to your perverted desires. ” Jason must be anorexic for sure 
and hates food 
I’m just messing with him nothing serious wishbone, one day he will come back to his senses.
“hat time would actually be better spent than your lame attempts at slander me or insulting my honour.”
Geeeeee Jason are you sure you are not mad, lighten up dude
slander you and insulting your honour do you know how many people wish to be Haifa Wehbe I bet I’m the only one who doesn’t in this world lol 
August 8th, 2006 at 1:11 am
Twosret: What exactly do you have against Haifa Wehbe that you feel the need to insult her with comparisons to me? What did she do to you that makes you want to insult her so bad? Really I mean I can’t stand Britney Spears nor J-Lo or a multitude of other pop stars but I feel no compulsion to insult them by associating them with you.
Wishbone: Well maybe the whole “battle” with Twosret and myself was just me tired of him resorting to insulting people rather than a) choosing to do as you have and keep his opinions to himself b) using logic and reason to counter those views.
And back to Twosret: Well the picture of Racoony that you recently posted was what? A raccoon. Where do raccoons, those in Toronto leastwise, like to rumage? The garbage aka trash? You don’t say. Well if ya bring stuff up in an open forum that isn’t general knowledge, expect that it MAY get used and taken out of any other context. As to anorexic, well I wish that were true, at least till I shed 15 pounds or so :P. Unfortunately I love food. And all that talk about Egyptian cuisine has peaked my curiousity if this city has any good Egyptian restaurants. Tho I’m still kinda stuck on teriyaki and mexican atm.
Nope not mad. Awaiting the day someone comes up with a good sarcastic emote. Till then, either take me seriously or brush me off. Taking me seriously just leads to giving me entertainment.
Lacking any profiles of posters around these parts does tend to end up with misconceptions made. I chose to play the odds by saying “manly”. My bad.
example: From Yatzpan does Mubarak
# Maoz Says:
August 7th, 2006 at 7:07 pm
SM you need to get some new readers, namely some new readers with a sense of humour! Yatzpan is a clown, nothing more, stop analyzing everything and giggle once in a while!
# Twosret Says:
August 7th, 2006 at 7:09 pm
The problem is he didn’t make me laugh and I hate the guts of Mubarak so what do you say to that air head Moaz?
Not knowing if there is any history between Moaz and Twosret but here Twosret is labeling Moaz an airhead.
You think I’m wrong for thinking negatively of Twosret when he likes to dis people out of context of the post? You are entitled to your opinion on that as much as I am entitled to mine. Anyone that says differently is wrong.
God I am tending to ramble lately.
August 8th, 2006 at 1:12 am
Hmm some cut n pasting to add a response to Twosrets last remarks didn’t quite work out right.
August 8th, 2006 at 1:20 am
“You think I’m wrong for thinking negatively of Twosret when he likes to dis people…..”
Slight correction:
“You think I’m wrong for thinking negatively of Twosret when she likes to dis people…..”
August 8th, 2006 at 1:23 am
LOL @ Jason
She’s got you hasn’t she…… As soon as she mentioned the Molokhia all us food mutts stomachs started getting curious
August 8th, 2006 at 1:24 am
Yes I made a boo-boo on that. I apologize.
August 8th, 2006 at 1:25 am
Ok Jason let us clear up some issues here
1st Raccoony is a blogger (zionist Jew ex IDF who lives in Tel Aviv) who used to post regularly, we managed somehow to like each other(nothing romantic) and exchange decent talk despite our major differences. One day he decided to quit and I wasn’t aware it is done intentionally, the war started and I was very worried about his well being, I made some calls and posted few posts to try to find him but no use. Finally I managed to find his e-mail and I was glad to report to Karen and others that he is fine. Obviously you are not a regular poster of SM so you are not aware of this story.
2nd Haifa Wehbe for me is a big joke, she is playful, joyful and it is part of the Egyptian culture to joke around and to make fun of her and accuse each other of being her, not an insult, men droole over her and girls want to be like her and in my opinion she is a cher look alike with blue eyes.
3rd you have to say sorry first so I can give you tips on good restaurants in Toronto as I lived there for 16 years
4th Don’t ever call me a he again I AM FEMALE!
5th Moaz is an airhead to suggest to SM that we should quit the blog for this stupid suppose to be funny video
Aaaah I hope we get along after this
August 8th, 2006 at 1:36 am
Me? Say sorry? Have you forgotten I am a man? Men NEVER apologize to women !!! Oh wait.. sry that’s the other way round
Okay fine *looks at his feet* I’m sorry.
Get along? Shesh .. take away all my fun. What a punishment damnit.
Your right I am definately not a regular poster on this blog. Due to certain circumstances *curses Bell* my usual haunts are no longer freely available to me. I did find this blog back during the Danish Cartoon Jihady days.
So as my usual disclamer goes.. DON’T TAKE ME SERIOUSLY!!!! (Seriously, I mean it)
August 8th, 2006 at 1:36 am
I used to post serious posts on politics but I’m taking a break and I prefer to poke some jokes here and there to avoid emotional turmoil. I don’t do well with war and death.
My hope now is for people to co-exist and the war to end before more innocent people die on both sides.
August 8th, 2006 at 1:37 am
Twosret-
“…..we managed somehow to like each other…..”
Hehehe…..You two were like the odd couple
And on that note folks, it’s three in the morning and way past my bedtime. Here’s hoping the world is a brighter place tomorrow!.
Take care and Goodnight all.
August 8th, 2006 at 1:40 am
Getting along with me doesn’t mean I will stop bashin you, ask SM I have been abusing him for years now
Which area of Toronto do you usually hang out? I forgive you for Toronto because it is like home to me the best city in the world!
August 8th, 2006 at 1:42 am
Nite wishbone.
Twosret its fun to poke at people but using names freely ie Zionist can just lead to trouble .. me, a zionist.. now that’s funny
August 8th, 2006 at 1:43 am
Yes we were odd couple but in complete harmony despite our differences heheheheheeeee
http://www.loomcom.com/raccoons/gallery/jpegs/2coons.jpg
August 8th, 2006 at 1:47 am
I’m really getting worried because I seem to get along with zionists these days more than I did in the past, Can it be that the younger generation seem to be more moderate and understanding. I don’t know if Karen is Zionist or not but I like the girl very much on personal level until she brings up Golda Meir
August 8th, 2006 at 1:50 am
Wishbone must be European
Nite Nite
August 8th, 2006 at 1:54 am
Well a part of growing is expanding your worldview .. and if you can learn to get along with zionists then i suppose you may find you can get along with just about anyone. Which is the whole point of peace, getting along.
Dunno much about Golda Meir but doesn’t seem like one I’d enjoy the company of. At least in no political-religious framework. *Ignores the fact he don’t know Karen
August 8th, 2006 at 2:39 am
Uh SM, I generally respect your views. You make salient and cogent points in a part of the world where neither being accurate, nor making sense is considered a positive attribute. But sometimes that slips.
You accuse Israel of being a racist state. Sure, you correctly demolish and hold out the naziism accursations for the dyspeptic blathering that they are. Great.
What precisely do you think is racist about Israel? Racism can be defined in a number of ways, so I am going to make it easy, and use our friends over at Webster. See their entry.
Racism can be defined in two distinct ways:
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination
As jews are not a race, and nor as far as I know are zionists, the first definition does not appear to fit. Zionists not being a race cannot claim racial superiority. And they don’t.
Lets look at “2″.
We know what racial means. What about prejudice? Again, appeal to webster.
1 : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one’s rights; especially : detriment to one’s legal rights or claims
2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics
synonym see PREDILECTION
Are the zionists guilty of “1″ ? That is, are they prejudiced against some “other”, disregarding their legal rights and claims? Not that I am aware of. Arabs that are Israeli citizens are in fact full citizens of the state. They enjoy the same priveleges as other citizens, and have all the rights and responsibilities of the other citizens.
What about “2″? Are they guilty of preconcieved judgement? Or any of the other traits? Lets retain “c” for a moment for a later point in this response.
Are the zionists hostile towards other groups? Do they hate the arabs living at peace in the country? Again, not to my knowledge.
Of course, you are itching right now with your hand up, saying “oh oh … the palis”. Well they are refugees from a war of aggression launched against the zionists by people who held “c” near and dear to their hearts.
First: do the zionists hate the palis? Hell no. They would not have given them gazastan if they had. Would have completely and utterly obliterated them if they did hate them.
Second: do the arabs hate the zionists? Yep. Pretty much universally. So do all the islamists.
Lets haul out that “c”, shall we?
c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics
On what basis do the arabs hate the zionists? They have since before the formation of Israel, so it cannot be that the formation of Israel triggered the hate. They have since before the palis were created by the arab league as an oppressed people in 1964, so it cannot possibly have been that either.
An irrational attitude of hostility directed against a group.
Yeah, the arab and islamic world has this, big time. It is called racism, and it is ugly.
Can a jew own land or be sold land in Jordan? Can a jew enter saudia arabia? Can a jew participate in government in Egypt?
An arab can do all of these things in Israel. Citizen or not, as long as they are not known terrorists.
Precisely, SM, who are the racists?
August 8th, 2006 at 2:58 am
Jason,
I have many Jewish friends and we get along very well, my worldview is okay due to a lot of traveling and living in different countries, I lived in a Jewish family house for two years, met many of their friends and made wonderful friendships, I think most of the Jewish-Canadian and Jewish-Americans I met are very reasonable and disagree about the current war.
I have so much respect for the 5,000 Israelis that marched against the war
http://scoop.epluribusmedia.org/story/2006/7/23/55913/2168
karen posts on SM and a strong Jewish supporter (scroll up )and we had our rounds but seems to co-exist peacefuly lately
I believe that Jews and Arabs have more in common than we think.
August 8th, 2006 at 3:14 am
Jason,
Please read the comment left you on the other link related to the Omak topic
August 8th, 2006 at 3:19 am
K taking that in.. can you not also get along with and possibly respect Jews or Israelis that support the war?
And yes we all have much in common with each other.. but it’s the appreciation of things that are different that can bring some of the best out of people.
August 8th, 2006 at 3:32 am
SS divisions killed half a million people (polish, russian, czech) in the first two weeks of WWII! at the end of WWII, some 50 million people were dead.
August 8th, 2006 at 3:50 am
First of all SM, thank you and bless you for mentioning Darfur dude… It’s interesting seeing what people have to say… Darfur is one of those “in your face” things that just shows how fucked up we are when it comes to racism and hypocrisy… You know people can talk about Israel for all I care and shout death slogans about it but all it does at the end is prove more and more that we’ve got some serious psychological issues… Arabs just don’t give a shit about “blackies” as you said…
As for the Molokhiya… Twosret and Egypeter, I just had some with rice yesterday… Oh ya and we Sudanese invented Molokhiya, you Egyptians just stole it from us coz you got sick of Kushari… LOL
August 8th, 2006 at 3:55 am
Hey Twosret,
You know I’m a zionist. I have said it here before. Also, you can certainly tell from what I write that I’m a zionist. I told you before that most Jews are. Secondly, it was you who brought up Golda in a previous post about Helen Thomas, I only responded. Thirdly, the reason that we don’t “go at it” any more is because it seems like we know each other and fighting over our differences would be rude!!
Lastly, the dishes sound very nice (I’ll take mine with chicken broth thank you). And you must know that I can already make a delicious chicken soup with matzo balls. Thank you for the offer of the recipe. I will keep this in mind if I need one.
August 8th, 2006 at 4:07 am
See all we need to do to stop the wars of the world is let the women handle the diplomcy .. the worst we’ll get is cold-shoulders and cat fights LOL ;D j/k
August 8th, 2006 at 4:11 am
You see Jason, when Twosret gets very upset and says things that I really don’t like, I now just roll my eyes and read on. Very civilized.
August 8th, 2006 at 4:20 am
Karen,
I forgot you posted that sorry too many posts, is saying that you are not Zionist is an insult to Jews? innocent question, I don’t know the dynamics I really mean it. I don’t recall who brought up Golda first I was only joking as I recall we had a cat fight over her or something :).
Hail zionist matzo balls chicken soup lady, I’m sure authentic people know their kitchen best. I learned it from a Jewish culinary critic and it was the best I have ever had and took the recipe and by time I managed to master a Jewish dish that I’m prouf of
August 8th, 2006 at 4:22 am
Oh Lord I thought we were over the cat fights already lol:)
August 8th, 2006 at 4:32 am
Good nite guys
August 8th, 2006 at 5:02 am
Good night.
August 8th, 2006 at 5:14 am
Twosret, before I go I should answer your question. Accusing a Jewish person of not being a zionist is not insulting in and of itself. However, I find many of the Jews who are not Zionists quite hateful toward Jews that are Zionists and towards Judaism as well. Listening to that nonZionist Jew Noam Chomsky makes me want to vomit. He is so hateful to us and what he has to say is hurtful. He is like an enemy, not a member of the tribe. I would really like to know what is Jewish about his life, other than his mother. Israel is an integral part of our lives and was even before the founding of the modern state. Jews are known as Hebrews and as The children of Israel. It is intertwined with our religion and identity. Anyways, I am tired and rambling. Going to bed. Bye.
August 8th, 2006 at 5:33 am
I have a question.. if the definition of a Jew is not based on ethnicity but rather religious belief.. then how can one be a Jew that doesn’t believe in Judaism? Shouldn’t their “tag” revert back to some national/ethnic thing?
I know I’m failing to grasp something here so can I be enlightened?
August 8th, 2006 at 5:35 am
Oh and g’nite Twosret … just about time for me to hit the sack as well
August 8th, 2006 at 6:55 am
Jason, Judaism is a national religion- all children born to a jewish mother are considered jews by the Halacha(jewish religious law), and the jews are refered to as “nation” many times in the Torah.You can convert to Judaism(thus becoming a jew) but process isn’t encouraged, mostly because in Judaism the jews are seen as “chosen” not in “chosen for special privilage” but “chosen for special burdens”, so the rabbi conducting it has to make sure the applicant is earnest and understands exactly what he’s going into.
August 8th, 2006 at 8:02 am
I hear you Alex, right on brother.
August 8th, 2006 at 8:57 am
So there is no “opt out” clause is what your saying?
August 8th, 2006 at 9:21 am
Yup.Even if you convert to another religion, by Halacha you’re still considered jewish(the clause is “Israel(i.e. jew) even though he sinned, is Israel still”).
August 8th, 2006 at 9:24 am
Oh, and Twosret, so you know how to make tshulent and gefilte fish also?
August 8th, 2006 at 10:55 am
Twosret-
“Wishbone must be European ”
Ick!…. European?. Dunno if I like that label
Hehehe…… I’m British mate. I live up in the North West of England in Liverpool on the banks of the River Mersey: Home of the Beatles and Liverpool football club, Capital of Culture 2008. We’re obsessed with a local dish that derives from an old Norwegian sailors fare called “Lob Scause”, locally known as Scouse; So obsessed, in fact, that we’re known the length and breadth of Britain as “Scousers”. Being an old sea port city, we’re populated by the mongrel descendants of any and all who came by sea and decided they couldn’t be bothered getting back on the boat home, predominantly the Irish that settled here from the 19th century onwards.
This makes our accent recognisable in any corner of these islands, it being a strange sounding mixture of Irish, Lancastrian and Bronchial Asthma. For some strange reason, when people hear it, they also instinctively check their belongings, pockets and car keys to see if they’re still there. We think this is the result of a national joke that went too far, but the sterotype has stuck now; It’s all a malicious lie I tell you!.
We’re a cheerful bunch, no strangers to adversity. Depending on how people act toward us we can be either best friend or worst enemy; Welcoming and uncritical, yet unforgiving and unforgetting when our people are slighted or attacked: We look after our own yet would never pass a stranger by should they need a helping hand. We’ve got a particular sense of humour too, so we’re quite easy going.
You’d think I worked for the Tourist Board wouldn’t you?
Nah!…… I just love my city and never pass a moment up to let the world know it
August 8th, 2006 at 12:19 pm
er i just picked up on something alex said
no people called ‘palestinians’ until 1967- er palestinians have been around as long as the Jews have alex- read your history books, if anything they’ve been around longer. They’re descendants of Ismael, Abraham’s son born BEFORE Isaac (from which Jews descend).
there are loads of accounts of their fights in the Bible
August 8th, 2006 at 1:53 pm
Bonjour tout le monde
Clear,
It sounds like the menu of the day will be grilling some Kebab (including Alex Ass) warning all Egyptian Kebab and Kofta lovers
I didn’t notice the crap he wrote until you pointed out something he said.
Now reading his post I was like WOW how did he come up with all this shit alone?
Wishbone,
I love your narative man
too bad when I lived in England Sandmonkey was still in diapers 
and we didn’t meet (Just kidding) I only made a comment on the time zone as you said it is 3 Oclock your time.
Karen,
Thanks for the explanation I appreciate it and hope I didn’t offend you in anyway yesterday, today you might wanna give ma a slack and scroll down because my political self is fired up by some comments
Jason and Jon,
You guys are awesome and I will reply to some of your comments on other threads too.
Anton,
Gefilte fish I make at home from scratch and challa bread too (makes excellent french toast) as for tshulent (Is it the beet, meat and potatos dish?) yummy if it is I didn’t make it before but a Polish friend of mine made it once and it was so good.
August 8th, 2006 at 2:27 pm
Brooklyn Jon-
I know, I know. I only meant that I now had to say the same things to SM that I had previously said to eee, which is that if a person wants to make the argument that the state of Israel is racist, they then have to take into consideration that there are groups that are NOT Jews working and living along side them in Israel. I wasn’t saying that SM was in ANY way like eee, just that I was going to say the same thing to him that I had said before. It was poorly phrased, and I apologize.
August 8th, 2006 at 3:00 pm
Twosret-
“I only made a comment on the time zone as you said it is 3 Oclock your time.”
I know mate……. I was just using it as an excuse to have a little light hearted ramble :p
August 8th, 2006 at 3:12 pm
Twosret, no it isn’t- what you describe sounds like a variation on borsht.Tshulent is the Jewish(most diasporas have a version) of the dis solution to the fact that you aren’t allowed to begin cooking anything on Shabbat, it’s a slow cooking, dish that , idealy, includes fatty parts of beef or mutton, chicken, beans, pearl barley and wheat.As you can guess it isn’t part of any light meal
August 8th, 2006 at 3:15 pm
twosret, i m so there.
August 8th, 2006 at 3:46 pm
Ok guys let us roll on the non-food issues and reply to Alex the great
Let us check Israel with Christians:-
First I would like to introduce to you Bishop Riah of the Episcopal Diocese of Jerusalem, Bishop Riah was denied his human right at Tel Aviv airport August 7th, 2006
http://www.j-diocese.com/DiocesanNews/view.asp?selected=236#slbl236
On July 26th the Bishop Riah wrote on the current Middle East crisis the following :-
“Dear Friends,
For the past forty years we have been largely alone on this desert fighting a predator that not only has robbed us of all but a small piece of our historic homeland, but threatens the traditions and holy sites of Christianity. We are tired, weary, sick, and wounded. We need your help.”
You can read the rest here
http://www.j-diocese.com/DiocesanNews/view.asp?selected=234
Now let us look at the future (and a flash back of the past) of Christians in the Holy Land
“I want to introduce you to five key pressures facing the indigenous Christian community that will determine whether they survive beyond the next 20 years. ABCDE - Apartheid, Bantustanisation, Concealment, Distortion and Emigration.”
“Hagop Sarkissian is the Armenian Bishop in Jerusalem. He says this:
I am seriously worried about our future. We have been here for 1600 years, yet we cannot be sure what will happen tomorrow. The Israelis claim they are the champions of religious freedom, but behind that smokescreen they make it impossible for our community to flourish. They have not granted one building permit to us since 1967, and they destroy any building we construct illegally. It took us four years to get a telephone for our infirmary, while a Shin Bet informer I know got one within a week. They neglect our streets. The Jewish Quarter is properly maintained, but the streets in the other quarters are subsiding because the old Ottoman-period drainage system is collapsing. Its worst of all in the Muslim Quarter. The people there believe the Israelis want to make their houses uninhabitable so that they have to leave; then the buildings can be acquired by settlers. They even use the tax system to put our shop keepers out of business, charging them totally arbitrary tax demands. In 1967 we had eighty or ninety shops in the Old City, now - what? - maybe ten are left, possibly less. All the rest have been bankrupted by tax officials who refuse to believe their accounts. In some cases shopkeepers got demands for more than the entire value of their businesses.”
Full report here
http://www.christchurch-virginiawater.co.uk/articles/alaqsa2001.htm
A recent poll suggests the following
“The findings of the poll include the following:
1. More than two-thirds of Israeli Jews would refuse to live in the same building as an Arab.
2. Nearly half would not allow an Arab in their home.
3. 41% want entertainment facilities to be segregated.
4. 40% think Israel should “support the emigration of Arab citizens.”
5. 63% consider Israeli Arab citizens a “security and demographic threat to the state.”
6. 34% agreed with the statement that “Arab culture is inferior to Israeli culture.”
7. 18% stated that they felt hatred when they heard someone speaking Arabic.”
Full poll results here
http://at.indymedia.org/newswire/display/55665/index.php
“From separate polls, it emerged that more than half of the Jewish population does not wish Arabs to live in their neighborhoods and that many Israelis would like to see the government encourage Arab citizens to leave the country. There has also been an upsurge of racism on football fields.
The Beitar Jerusalem football club was fined earlier this month after its fans shouted “death to the Arabs” among other slogans during a match against the largely Arab club Bnei Sakhnin. This comes in the wake of Bnei Sakhnin’s captain Abbas Suan scoring the equalizer against Ireland in a World Cup qualifier. “Abbas Suan doesn’t represent us,” a Beitar fan had said earlier, echoing the view of most fans.”
Full analysis here
http://mostlywater.org/node/2658
August 8th, 2006 at 4:03 pm
Clear, you are confusing palestinians with Philistines. They are not the same people. Before 1967 all Palestinians were Jordanian.
August 8th, 2006 at 4:11 pm
“When the Asian Tsunami hit, most of the money came from westerners when most of the victims were Muslim…when was the last time that a Muslim gave money to a non-Muslim charity (when dawa is not involved)?”
What a load of crap, I personally was involved in the Tsunami relief among othermuslim prestigeous, doctors, lawyers, accountants, hospital workers and average muslim Arab-Americans in the Tsunami relief.
ICNA (Islamic Circle of North America)
Pakistan Earthquake 2005
Relief & Reconstruction Fund
“ICNA Relief has raised $6 Million+ in cash & $4 Million+ in kind so far.
Target to raise $10 Million in 2005 achieved Alhamdolillah
Our target is to raise $10 Million in 2006, inshaAllah”
http://www.reliefonline.org/
August 8th, 2006 at 4:21 pm
“With the exception of dates, raisins, cheap rugs and hashish (oil production not included) you guys don’t produce ANYTHING. ”
Thanks to your European colonies that sucked up our resources(not just us hint hint India) and deprieved us from education and contributed to the over population problem in Egypt. Thanks to the current leaders of the world that encourages Mubarak and Co. to whip, torture and kill the very few who dares to speak up for a better economy, better leaders and better life. The Ass kissers of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that has the guts to speak of democracy.
Thanks to people like you the haters of arabs that generalize and so sick in their thoughts that can’t think of anything positive of us. What can I say?
August 8th, 2006 at 4:26 pm
Esteraha Qasira wa sawf naa’ood baa’d el fasel
August 8th, 2006 at 4:56 pm
“no people called ‘palestinians’ until 1967- er palestinians have been around as long as the Jews have alex- read your history books, if anything they’ve been around longer. They’re descendants of Ismael, Abraham’s son born BEFORE Isaac (from which Jews descend).
there are loads of accounts of their fights in the Bible”
The term Palestinian comes from the Roman word “Syria-Palestina”, which was how the Romans renamed the province of JUDEA after they defeated a Jewish rebellion during the rule of emperor Vespasian (?). The word Palestina came from the biblical Philistines, a people whose only historical record comes from the Bible (which shows that they were either wiped out by the Jewish tribes, or absorbed into the later.
“What a load of crap, I personally was involved in the Tsunami relief among othermuslim prestigeous, doctors, lawyers, accountants, hospital workers and average muslim Arab-Americans in the Tsunami relief.”
The biggest donosr were the US, Japan, Germany and several other European countries that gave billions. Stinking rich Saudi Arabia gave 20 million, I believe. Westerners gave so much money that the African relief organizations were screwed because people stopped giving money to them to help the tsunami victims. Did anyone had the grace to say a “thank you”? Nope. In Aceh they threatened the lives of workers from Christian relief organizations. And in case you missed my point, what I was saying was that if the tsunami had hit Brazil, the general reaction in Muslimland would have been “This is God’s vengeance because of those brazilian bikinis, or something”. How many money have Muslim charities raised to stop the hunger in Africa or in any non-Muslim land for that matter? Do tell.
“Thanks to your European colonies that sucked up our resources(not just us hint hint India) and deprieved us from education and contributed to the over population problem in Egypt. ”
Arab pirates/slave traders from the barbary coast (modern Algeria) enslaved 1.5 MILLION Europeans over a period of five centuries, forcing most European colonial powers to pay them tribute in gold. This happened until the US navy had had enough and kicked their asses in the early 1800s. How about those resources? Guess what, we don’t live in the past, we look to the future, and we don’t find lame excuses for our problems.
Egypt is overcrowded, and that is a problem caused by the legacy of British colonialism? Are you completely nuts? Have you ever heard of birth control? Of condoms? Get real! This is the sort of hypocrisy that is rampant amongst Muslims. it is ALWAYS someone else’s fault, including the fact that the very women YOU screw happen to get pregnant. This last one just made my day.
August 8th, 2006 at 5:13 pm
I will be back with more to reply to your B.S. Alex but I have a life to lead outside of the internet so stay tuned.
August 8th, 2006 at 7:35 pm
Jews in Morocco
Rabin speech in Casablanca Economic Summit
“King Hassan II and his father, King Mohammed V, set an example of tolerance and respect to a large Jewish community that lived in Morocco for hundreds of years. Being an Arab Moslem country, King Mohammed V and King Hassan II tolerated, respected and allowed Jewish life in the great Jewish community of Morocco. Allow me, Your Majesty, to express to you the thanks of more than half a million Israelis of Moroccan. And thank you. Allow me also, Your Majesty, to thank you for your efforts to bring about peace and a solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.”
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace+Process/Guide+to+the+Peace+Process/Address+by+PM+Rabin+-+Casablanca+Economic+Summit.htm
André Azoulay is a senior advisor to king Mohamed VI and prior to that to his father king Hassan II, he was born in Essaouira in 1941, in a Moroccan Jewish family.
“Identity and Dialogue’s first concern, therefore, was to correct such negative images. Fifteen years later, he considers that the goal of recovering Moroccan Jewish identity has largely been met.
“I think that today all over the world, in the Jewish world in Israel, and on the Israeli political scene no one can deny the political, social and cultural reality of Moroccan Judaism,” Azoulay explains. “In recovering and defending their identity, Moroccan Jews have become stronger.”
Today more than 700,000 Israelis, one out of six of the population, are of Moroccan origin. What few Americans realize, however, is that every year thousands of Moroccan Israelis visit the land of their origin.
Another surprise is that, among Jews from Arab countries, Moroccan Jews are the only ones who have a federation of all the Moroccan Jewish associations around the world.”
Synagogues in Morocco
http://www.kosherdelight.com/MoroccoSynagogues.htm
August 8th, 2006 at 7:47 pm
“why are Iraqi Christians fleeing? ”
Last I remember Tarik Aziz (Christian)was the prime minister of Saddam, Very little we heard about Christian Iraqis that couldn’t practice Christianity. They are fleeing now because the Invaders of Iraq are not capable of controling the country and failed misreably in post war plans.
“Why was the “racist” and religiously intolerant Turkish film “Valley of the Wolves” (a film that portrays Jewish doctors harvesting human organs in Abu Graib) a big hit in Turkey? Why is it that the number1 2005 best seller in Turkey was Mein Kampf?”
For the same reason explained by “Abdullah Mohammad Sindi, is a native of Saudi Arabia, lives and works in California. He received bachelor’s and master’s degrees from California State University, Sacramento. In 1978 Sindi received a doctorate in international relations from the University of Southern California. He has also studied at the University of Grenoble (France), the University of Poitiers in Tours (France), the University of Liege (Belgium), and at Indiana University (Bloomington). He also conducted research at the United Nations Institute for Training and Research (New York).
Read his article “The Jewish Grip on American Film and Television Promotes Bias Against Arabs”, May be you will get a grip!
http://www.theunjustmedia.com/the%20jewish%20grip%20on%20american%20film%20and%20television%20promotes%20bias%20against%20arabs.htm
August 8th, 2006 at 7:51 pm
or try this American Guy Rep. David Duke PHD maybe you racism against arabs won’t let you read AbdAllah’s research
http://www.davidduke.com/?p=358
August 8th, 2006 at 8:06 pm
“The Saudis discriminate Christians not basing their prejudices on race. They are religiously intolerant, and to be honest this intolerance is widespread in most of the Muslim world”
Unlike the countries that plays GOD and preach democracy and freedom the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia never claimed freedom. Europeans sugar coat racism, bigotry, hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to muslims nowadays and I see no difference between you Alex and the ignorant one from Saudi Arabia, you are both racists, intolerant and biased.
“If a non Muslim kills a Muslim, all hell breaks lose, when a Muslim kills a non Muslim, you people either don’t give a fuck, or you go to the streets to celebrate… what the fuck is that all about?”
let’s see Kingdom of Saudi Arabia kicked Bin Laden out of Saudi and took away his nationality, when America embraced him and provided him with money and weapons to fight Russia. Not too long ago pictures of Rumsfield and Saddam in complete harmony were all over the media.
“To complete this “I’m up to my neck with this permanent Middle Eastern bullshit”, let me just say that if my country had received 10% of what yours has received in economic aid from America since 1973, we would have altars to worship the “great Satan”.”
I would like you to open an investigation with the American Gov. if you are that angry to hold Mubarak and Co. accountable for the aid money and show us where the money goes, instead of coming here and shouting like a mad cow I’m up to my neck crap of yours. While you are at it ask George W. Bush why does he support Mubarak and the fat King of Saudi Arabia.
“You guys are all hypocrites. This is all a VERY BAD MOVIE and I am fed up with this shit. Up to my neck.”
And you are an ignorant European Bull who thinks that generalizing about arabs and muslims is a virtue .
August 8th, 2006 at 8:12 pm
Now back to the original topic who wants Kebab and Kofta?
August 8th, 2006 at 8:40 pm
Twosret-
Can I get weapons grade chilli sauce with that?
August 8th, 2006 at 8:45 pm
Wishbone,
The Kofta comes with this
http://www.amazon.com/Steven-Raichlen-Best-of/dp/B0007ZGULG/sr=8-1/qid=1155069889/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1914378-4380754?ie=UTF8
August 8th, 2006 at 9:12 pm
oops lost half of the post Wishbone sorry
you can have the weapons grade chilli sauce with that if you want but Tahini sauce is ideal with this meal, it is cooling and refreshing 
unless you like it hot 
August 8th, 2006 at 9:28 pm
Hehe…. Twosret I always tell them to hold the tahini and double up on the chilli when I order a kebab. The sauce I use at home is very hot, only to be used on kebabs or for welding applications
August 8th, 2006 at 10:01 pm
sorry wishbone gotta go, dinner and movie date (yeah stay home moms do get a break sometimes)
August 8th, 2006 at 10:34 pm
Twosret,
I can’t believe you linked to David Duke. You might as well have used Adolf Hitler as a source for your fabrications. It is times like this that eye rolling is not enough. You really do have a split personality. Half of you is nice and the other half is a bigot like eee.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:51 pm
Message to Karen - the zionazi - from the blog-owner:
“You’re not a nazi, only a racist.”
Of course I think, that he’s still too kind …
August 8th, 2006 at 10:54 pm
> You might as well have used Adolf Hitler
Killing ten - or far more - innocent civilians for one of the own
brethren - thus violating the so progressive “eye for an eye”-law -
that is zio-fascism - and it really smells like Hitler.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:58 pm
Twosret, please get the h*ll out of the USA and go back to the ME where you belong.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:58 pm
eee,
Fuck off and DIE. On second thought, just die. You don’t deserve to have any fun.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:28 pm
Twosret, you are… not the brightest of bulbs :). First of all, while I am not an Arab nor identify with the culture, I actually have distant Arab ancestry. And I mean REAL Arab ancestry, from the Arabian Peninsula. So your argument that I am racist against Arabs is, in the very least, completely stupid (particularly because I never even mentioned the word “race”). What I dislike in Muslims (notice that MUSLIMS in not a race) is their culture and their lack of respect for everything not Muslim.
Now, let’s put our hands in the crap you just wrote (yuck!):
- Morocco - so the late king Hassan of Morocco had a Jewish advisor… big fucking deal, I guess that makes Morocco an example for the whole world! Did you know that Iran has a parliament seat for the Jewish minority? And yet, for “some” reason, I doubt that anyone non-Muslim is respected in mullahland. Did you hear about a Moroccan film about a Jewish Moroccan kid that fell in love with a Muslim Moroccan girl, and all the fuss that it caused in Moroccan society? Why would that sort of thing be a problem in such a “tolerant” society?
I have several synagogues in my country. Does that mean that there is a vibrant Jewish community? Well, there isn’t. Just like there isn’t a vibrant Roman community just because we have Roman bridges and roads.
- Iraq - Tareq Azziz is in fact a Christian and was Saddam’s prime minister… it is amazing that Christians actually could live a decent life under Saddam, for the very reason that they knew that without his (brutal) leadership, they would be inside the wolf’s mouth, as they presently are. So they were loyal to Saddam and he knew that he could count on them. And he had to, because most of the brains in the country where Christian-Assyrian. Oh, and the reason why Christians are fleeing is because they are being targeted in particular by both the Sunni and the Shia militias.
- Valley of the Wolves - on this one, you completely lost it. I asked you for an opinion why such a propaganda movie would have such a great deal of success in a supposedly ally country of the US, and you give me someone’s CV?! Get real! And this guy is obviously a rabid anti-semite: yes Hollywood is populated by Jews, but they happen to be LEFTIST Jews who for the most part are anti-Israel and bend over backwards to please minorities (including Arabs)
“And you are an ignorant European Bull who thinks that generalizing about arabs and muslims is a virtue.”
Well, I don’t think all arabs are the same (while I don’t agree with everything Sandmonkey writes, I can certainly respect his points of view - yours on the other hand, I cannot).
Oh, and I wasn’t completely sure that YOUR David Duke was THE David Duke (the KLU KLUX KLAN guy), but after reading Karens post… So you use a racist source to prove that I am racist? Is that arab humour or have you lost it completely?
August 9th, 2006 at 12:18 am
I read the David Duke article not knowing he is a KKK leader, I only knew he is Louisiana Rep with PHD so don’t get hysterical ok.
As for the rest of the Rant LMAO
August 9th, 2006 at 12:26 am
I wonder why Alex the great and Lady karen didn’t hammer the Christian Israeli issue
*rolling eyes*
August 9th, 2006 at 12:35 am
Twosret, your warned me about what was coming so I didn’t really read it. However, the name David Duke Phd (lol) stuck out like a sore thumb. I think that you have linked to him in the past. Now you know a little about him. You really should check out the credibility of your sources. You don’t want to be associated with him!
Lady Karen
How was the movie
August 9th, 2006 at 12:50 am
Egad Twosret … citing sources … almost real. Until you read them and realize it was like that lawyer fellow in Indiana who was justifying his hate by citing other hateful sources.
Sad.
You want to know why arabs are viewed the way they are? It isn’t that 0.3% of the worlds population somehow manipulates all the rest into thinking and acting, it is because they are fundamentally unable to come to terms with their responsibilities for their own conditions, unable to police themselves, unable to present themselves on the world stage in a manner fit for a great civilization.
Screaming at the top of your lungs that its the jews fault for the condition of everything strongly suggests a bad case of delusional paranoid schizophrenia, which is characterized by irrational feelings of persecution.
August 9th, 2006 at 1:03 am
LOL David Duke is nothing more than an example that even in America non-politicaly correct bastards can exercise their freedom of speech
NOTE: Politically correctness is the current form of acceptable discrimination over here.
As to the competition of who is more open to others aka who is more discriminatory:
Al-Jazeera gets harassed reporting in Israel but reporting none the less
Is there even 1 Israeli journalist in Lebanon? In south Lebanon? Is there? Cuz I haven’t come across any (not that I’ve been on a spanish inquisition or anything :P)
August 9th, 2006 at 1:04 am
eee: you must have been the class clown at Islamofascist school right? got to ride the short bus
August 9th, 2006 at 1:09 am
Karen,
This is the first time I linked to him you know why? because if it sticks out to you as a sore thumb now it would have been the case before
(good try anyway) and eventhough I disagree with the thought of hate of KKK (you should know that by now) his article didn’t bring any kind of intentional hate to the Jews it was only pointing out how they have power in the US.
I think AbdAllah article was very comprhensive and he is not a member of the KKK he is a Saudi native like Alex the great (Saudi roots with the name of Alex that is interesting)
The American Gov. is associating itself with David being a Louisiana Rep. I guess it says something. I personally wouldn’t want to associate myself with him not because this specific article is not a good arguement but because I know now that he was a KKK leader and his source of criticism is hate.
The difference between me and you Karen is I honestly didn’t know that the guys is KKK but you always say inaccurate things about me and fire up accusations that are not founded. If in doubt I ask you for the second time to bring up one post of mine that I did quote David before
You should know that I have no split personality I am kind to you because we are both humans but when it comes to occupation, death, encouragement of war I will be not your friend
No movie tonight dinner took longer than expected. I hope you take my post in a positive manner rather than an insult.
August 9th, 2006 at 1:15 am
Kranky,
I have never claimed that arabs are not at fault, many many times I have written at this blog and other blogs our shortcomings, I can detect hate also when I read it, if you don’t have anything positive to say about the arabs or muslims and you generalize you are not my cup of tea.
There is a huge difference between someone who is insulting arabs and accuse them of things that happens all over the world and a person who puts constructive criticism and analogy with some suggestions that might help the situation. Too often I’m guilty of being emotional and my fear of the horrors of war leads me to spout some anger on the current situation Palestinian and Lebanese wars but shortly I do try to put things in prespective and build up some hope and faith in peace.
As for Duke the donkey has been beaten up enough and my explanation to Karen is clear.
August 9th, 2006 at 2:08 am
Twosret,
People who do not like war shouldn’t start wars. They should also not look the other way while huge stockpiles of rockets and missiles are being acquired. People who do not like occupation should not attack the former “occupiers” with rockets. People who do not like death should not become suicide bombers. You are preaching to the wrong people. You should be admonishing you own. If Hezbollah/Hamas would stop harrassing Israel there would be no more war. However, if Israel stopped fighting back, they would still be attacked by Hezbollah and Hamas. I have been reading this blog since March and I have not ever seen you criticize your own people as you claim. If I am wrong please lets see all of the examples.
August 9th, 2006 at 2:19 am
And as for the “power of the Jews”, your people are trying their hardest to have that same power. So don’t criticize us for something you want and are trying to get. Besides, your people have that power in Europe and Asia and South America. Your people have many more allies than mine. Aside for the U.S. Israel has no allies. How many Muslim and Arab countries are there in the world and controlling the U.N.? You get no sympathy from me because Israel has one that you don’t have yet. Your people just want it all. How selfish.
August 9th, 2006 at 3:30 am
On Jan 8th, 2005 I wrote on this blog
” Palestinians are isolated from the world and even the Arab world because of the complicated procedures of travel. There is also a huge need to study the Israeli society and it’s language why should they study us only? You need to know your enemy and understand it’s fiber. May be in the process of understanding them a miracle might happen. I oppose the armed struggle that caused innocent deaths and did nothing to advance the Palestinian case politically I understand human desperation based on Trauma but I don’t condone an extremist based religious rights. I think a lot of the western people don’t even understand the abuse of the extreme religious influence to the Intafada.
Moreover, Arab radical intellectuals have decided to isolate Palestinians by refusing to deal with Israel. There is no way for Palestinians to move on without the help and support of other Arabs since the west have decided to favor Israel.”
No comment!
August 9th, 2006 at 3:39 am
Karen,
The night is young and it is only 10:30 P.M. my time but you only need to scroll up before you post again another wrong and unfounded accusations. I harshly criticized Mubarak on so many occasions on this thread and other threads, I have made numerous comments about my disgust of the King of Saudi Arabia.
Now show me your courage to criticize your own Karen or is it very unlike a zionist to criticize the state of Israel?
Do you have to defend war for eternity this is the No. 6 war launched on Arabs from your beloved country.
Oh well!
August 9th, 2006 at 3:43 am
Alex,
I was very right then when I said “I see no difference between you Alex and the ignorant one from Saudi Arabia, you are both racists, intolerant and biased.”
Bigot!
August 9th, 2006 at 3:46 am
anonmouse
“Twosret, please get the h*ll out of the USA and go back to the ME where you belong.”
A troll in a anonMOUSE clown indeed!
August 9th, 2006 at 4:08 am
You provide me with one example from Jan. 8, 2005. I didn’t know about you until March 2006. And yes I have seen you say you hate Mubarak, but for what I don’t know. Does it have anything to do with Israel? You say you have criticized the Saudis. Why?
Now you want me to criticize the whole state of Israel? I’m sure I can criticize some individuals, but the whole state? Never. Not until you criticize all Arabs. Anyways, Here goes. Natanyahu is too radical. I haven’t heard much from him lately however he did go too far some times in his remarks about Arabs. Meir Kahane was way too radical and bigoted. Are you happy now?
August 9th, 2006 at 4:09 am
And as for the launching of wars, your people can take credit for starting ALL of them.
Keep your head in the sand and history will continue to repeat itself.
August 9th, 2006 at 4:58 am
The American Gov. is associating itself with David being a Louisiana Rep. I guess it says something. I personally wouldn’t want to associate myself with him not because this specific article is not a good arguement but because I know now that he was a KKK leader and his source of criticism is hate.
Umm you do realize the government has no choice on who gets elected. And that he is there with other different nutjobs IMHO like Rev Jesse Jackson. Believe me, if you left those two alone on a desert island, you’d see exactly why your comment doesn’t make much sense. Plus using any article or whatever by him to back up the “jews control ____” would be comparable to using Hamas videos to presuming the same thing.
I know I know you didn’t know.. but I bet, by now you well know David Duke is a joke
August 9th, 2006 at 4:59 am
I am afraid you are slightly incorrect about Israel being Racist, and this incorrectness is understandable considering where you are coming from. You see, Christians and Muslim believe they are “chosen” or “superior” too, and that chosenness is manifested in extra rights in Shari’a or the laws of old Christiendom. Judaism treats “chosenness” as extra responsibility. Say, you are a nice guy, if you don’t kill or steal you are committing no sins from Jewish point of view, and nothing else is required from you. Yet if you decide to convert to Judaism, then a single trip to a Burger King joint on Saturday becomes so full of sins, it is practically a crime. That is exactly opposite to Islam and Christianity where not being Muslim/Christian is the biggest sin of them all.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:04 am
This would be so much more fun debating over some kebabs…
August 9th, 2006 at 5:08 am
I’ll take the chicken ones. I don’t like food that previously went moo or baa.
August 9th, 2006 at 7:27 am
The guy who stabbed Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh to death was a
Muslim from Morokko.
I think there is 1 (one ) jew left in the historical jewish quarter of Casablanca.
(Apparently there used to be quite a thriving jewish area there)
August 9th, 2006 at 10:25 am
#152 Terry Crane
“That is exactly opposite to Islam and Christianity where not being Muslim/Christian is the biggest sin of them all.”
Well that’s me screwed whichever way I turn. I dunno what the religions see me as, ‘cos I don’t follow any of them. I’m a Deist. Don’t need a mullah, vicar, rabbi, priest, guru or anyone born of man or woman to tell me to believe in the Creator.
I just do
August 9th, 2006 at 1:18 pm
To Twosret the idiot:
1) The simple notion that you don’t find anything fishy about the main theme of an article written by DAVID DUKE speaks VOLUMES about the kind of paranoia that goies on in your daily life. That’s right: you are just as bad as Duke, and had you been born in America, had blonde hair, blue eyes and a southern accent and you would probably be a KKK member
2) Who in the fuck said that I was a Saudi? Stupid moron, I told you that I have distant ARAB ancestry (as far as I know Saudis aren’t the only Arabs). And do you know what DISTANT is? My distant arab ancestry is more than 400 years old and it comes from my mother’s line, so obviously my name isn’t Mohammed bin Alex. You are just going from bad to worse…
“I was very right then when I said “I see no difference between you Alex and the ignorant one from Saudi Arabia, you are both racists, intolerant and biased.””
It is amazing how you didn’t answer ANY of the points raised in ANY of my posts. You call me racist (when I made no racist comments, all my attacks were about CULTURE - or lack of - and lack of respect for all things non-Muslim). Maybe I will also be a racist (or islamophobic, which is a stupid word I also like) for pointing out that in Islam, the penalty for apostasy is the death penalty? I am a bigot for showing you the elephant in the room, right?
Do you think that accusing me of racism (for what, I would like to know!) is the nuclear bomb that will end the “war”? Are you fucking crazy? Either you present DECENT arguments to any of the several points I raised (David Duke and his paranoia about Jews ruling the world is NOT a valid argument) or you shut the fuck up. Oh, by the way, just to play on the safe side, I won’t accept the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as sources either. Thank you.
August 9th, 2006 at 3:00 pm
Heh, fresh news out of Egypt:
http://www.copts.com/english/NewsDetails.aspx?id=LqFNUnbtg0ykaAkLQS9VFZCZWgmWqhTjFgysWxxIbFA=&Type=S7hWEHn9mYMPH12EhfzVpmjf4ZDifPT5TC6cPW/IhIk=
“Breaking News: Egyptian Monastery Besieged by Police
Barnabas Fund
8/8/06
Egypt. Barnabas Fund has been contacted urgently by a partner in the Coptic Orthodox Church this morning with the urgent news that St Anthony’s Monastery on the Red Sea is under siege by the police at this very moment.
Some 200 - 300 police officers equipped with 14 bulldozers have closed and blockaded the roads outside the monastery, which is situated in a mountainous region of Egypt’s Red Sea coast. Monks from the monastery are protesting outside the building trying desperately to protect their home. The police officers were acting on orders from the Red Sea Governorate based in Hurghada.
It would seem that prejudiced Muslim officials who are hostile to the Christian Church in Egypt are misusing and violating the law to attack this historic Coptic monastery which dates back to the fourth century.
The crisis has arisen because the local governorate claims the walls of the monastery have been constructed illegally and has issued the police with orders to destroy them. However, official permission to construct the walls was obtained in 1992 and they were built some 4 - 5 years ago. Permission was given because the monastery had experienced problems with Muslim extremist groups and it was recognised that a perimeter wall was needed for protection.
FURTHER INFORMATION WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE BY BARNABAS FUND, ON REQUEST AS WE RECEIVE IT.”
God bless religious tolerance!
August 9th, 2006 at 6:43 pm
Karen and Jason,
Sorry guys last night one of the little ones fell off the bed
I know it sounds like a lame excuse but didn’t mean to ignore comments.
The only comments I’m ignoring is Alex the great diarrhea postings
August 9th, 2006 at 6:51 pm
“had you been born in America, had blonde hair, blue eyes and a southern accent and you would probably be a KKK member”
Or Britney Spears
August 9th, 2006 at 7:09 pm
Jason,
Did Alex say that , I didn’t read his posts
oh he is full of shit really lol 
Oh I’m your mama Alex not Britney Spears or KKK lol
I was actually told once I look like Monica Lewinsky and that is when I was about to smack an 80 years old woman in a grocery store
August 9th, 2006 at 8:40 pm
Speaking of Nazi Speak, I just heard Benjamin Netanyahu on an interview with Tucker Carlson say, “Israel will reach this week having as many bombs dropped on it as were dropped on the Nazi’s in WW2″ as I’am typing this he just used the word “Nazi” to refer to Iran 6 or 7 times.
August 9th, 2006 at 9:05 pm
OMG not monica
now that’s an insult!!! lol
August 9th, 2006 at 9:33 pm
Shobrawy,
Yup that is Israel for you
Jason,
It’s like you’re rushing to get your groceries done and then you hear this woman shouting at you (I thought she is having a heart attack) MONICA!!!!! and in Boca Raton, Florida there are so many old people and they all meet at the Gorcery store, so all of a sudden I’m surrounded by a nursing home residents and have to be polite to them and explanin that there is a misunderstanding and I’m not the most famous SL*T in the world
August 9th, 2006 at 9:41 pm
I think the most famous sl*t in the world is Bill Clintion, not Monica.
August 9th, 2006 at 9:47 pm
Hey Karen welcome back
well technically he is but she did have a choice too and she is not a kid, you don’t mess with married men you know
yeah yeah yeah old school conservative Twosret. I live in dark ages I guess 
August 9th, 2006 at 10:05 pm
I totally agree. There are plenty of single guys, leave the married ones alone. And that goes for married women too. I know way too many women who cheated on their husbands. I am quite traditional in that regard too
August 9th, 2006 at 10:16 pm
“The only comments I’m ignoring is Alex the great diarrhea postings (…)
Did Alex say that , I didn’t read his posts oh he is full of shit really lol”
Well, that would be an excellent excuse as to why you haven’t replied with valid arguments to ANY of the several points I raised (including the recent egyptian police siege to a Coptic 4th century monastery). Considering that you share David Duke’s views regarding the “evil JOOOZZ who control the world”, I won’t even give you the benefit of the doubt - you are a moron, and from all the “lols” and smilies in your posts, a happy one at that. Good for you, Forrest.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:13 am
> Fuck off and DIE.
Thanks Nazi-Karen.
My best wishes for you are:
Live under the rule of fascist thugs for at least 40 years.
Let them torture your brother.
Let them kill your sister.
Let them stone your daughter on her way to school.
Let them steal everything you own.
Let them destroy your house.
Let them humiliate you day by day.
Finally let them kill you by a rocket as collateral damage.
Simply to die is far to easy for you and your compatriots.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:24 am
You know Karen I feel terrible for his daughter, we as adults can handle hardships but for a young girl, it must have been hell on earth for her.
I’m not fond of Hilary
August 10th, 2006 at 12:35 am
eee,
You should have been neutered long ago. You’re so much sweeter
August 10th, 2006 at 12:38 am
I know what you mean Twosret. I know two little girls suffering now because of what their mother did and is still doing. I feel really bad for their dad too.
August 10th, 2006 at 1:19 am
Children should never be part of a conflict a decent man or woman should walk out of the marriage once there is no love. If only people know how to do this so much hurt will be saved for everyone.
August 10th, 2006 at 1:44 am
Are you a school teacher Karen?
August 10th, 2006 at 2:00 am
I agree with you. If you are not happy and can’t work it out, leave. Don’t use your husband (or wife) as a safety net while searching for someone else on the side and then when you find them dump your family. So sneaky and unethical. I’ve seen too much of it.
No. I am a stay at home mom, like you. But before kids I got a B.A. and M.A.
August 10th, 2006 at 2:16 am
I think selfish is the keyword too sad. I got my B.A. and M.A. too and my career stopped when I got married due to the nature of the work of my better half. Once I had children it was so much worth it and I think we are lucky that we can afford staying with them, I can’t do it any other way.
August 10th, 2006 at 2:22 am
You are right again.
August 10th, 2006 at 2:39 am
You know what is nice about our chats? tomorrow SM will post 10 new topics and this one will hide and not so many people will notice
August 10th, 2006 at 2:45 am
*hugz eee* feel the love brother
*I’m gonna hug him each and everytime he spouts off and I notice ;D
Don’t start me on the Clintons… Bill was bad enough but Hillary??? WTH
Put up with taht shit so you can keep your shot at the White House. Now I’m gonna have to go and call her a puta.
It’ll be a disgrace if she makes it as teh 1st female president of USA
August 10th, 2006 at 2:51 am
Yep, Two.
Jason,
Nice big bear hugs, I hope.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:32 pm
[...] Der immer wieder erstaunlich simpel treffsichere Sandmonkey erklärt, was er davon hält, dass Kritik an Israel so oft in Nazivergleichen gipfelt: “That’s kinda like calling the Pleastinians zionists if you don’t get why that is insensitive, and its really funny that we call for their annihilation, and sell Mein Kampf on the streets of Cairo, but call them Nazis” [...]
August 11th, 2006 at 3:41 am
I have never claimed that arabs are not at fault, many many times I have written at this blog and other blogs our shortcomings, I can detect hate also when I read it, if you don’t have anything positive to say about the arabs or muslims and you generalize you are not my cup of tea.
No Twosret, you detect great sadness that an otherwise potentially great people is mired in completely incomprehensible hate and self destructive behavior, never taking responsibility at the appropriate level for their actions or conditions, and terminally, and to a fault, placing the blame for the same upon another group. A group that comprises 0.3% of the worlds population that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the situation.
If you consider that hate from me, then I feel even more sadness for you.
The harshest love you or any arab is going to get will be when someone tells you the truth. The truth is hard, it is unpalatable, and it is easier to run away than to face it. You can argue, scream, decry what I said as hatred if you wish, ignore it and move on. Your actions wouldn’t change the core truths of what was said, just harden our perceptions of a people unable to come to grips with it.
August 11th, 2006 at 3:58 pm
Kranky,
You are the truth teller now? Does God speak to you like Bush?
August 11th, 2006 at 3:59 pm
OOOPS!!! big typo Gos speaks through you not to you.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:23 pm
Chosen people excuse.
http://www.aish.com/seminars/whythejews/wtj01000.htm