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Tuesday, 5 Sep 2006
Muslim women booking into hospital for operations can now respect their religion by wearing a burka-style gown.The
'Inter-Faith Gown' is the brainchild of Karen Jacob, the linen services
manager at Lancashire Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust.It
is the first such gown to be introduced in the country and patients at
Preston and Chorley hospitals will now have the opportunity to wear it
if they wish.Ms Jacob said: "I noticed a gap in the market and
thought that it would be great if there was a gown that helped to
preserve a patient's modesty."
Preserving a patient's Modesty? During a surgery? Is that a prioirty now? I can just see it, especially in breast cancer operations: "I won't let you take out the lumps in my boobs till you give me an inetrfaith gown to wear. Otherwise you might see my hair and that would be immodest."
WTF is wrong….ehhh…nevermind.
I give up!
Update: Hehe.. while we are at it, why not also get Burka sunglasses?*
You know you want one!
* Unlike the Gown, this is actually a joke….Ehh…I mean not real. The Gown, while funny, is real. The people who will buy it are the Joke!
September 5th, 2006 at 8:24 am
Got to love the BurqaBarn TM..
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=718
September 5th, 2006 at 9:07 am
So , imagine wearing together the burka gown with the burka sunglasses !! Trés chic
September 5th, 2006 at 9:32 am
This is just depressing… Why are you posting this dude? You’re depressing the hell outta me =(
Sigh! but on the other hand LOL =)
September 5th, 2006 at 10:10 am
I’ve got to ask, the whole maternity thing, right ? Bit hard to fathom that unless it’s all done by braille.
September 5th, 2006 at 10:11 am
Doctors say that it is completely normal if you are scared!
September 5th, 2006 at 10:27 am
Sandmonkey-
Thanks for tackling the serious issues.
Westerners need constant reassurance that the people their governments are bombing are subhuman.
You’re quite the warm pat on the back.
September 5th, 2006 at 10:45 am
Actually, as long as they’re worn when there is no need to expose areas of the body(surgery etc.) its understandable, inasmuch wearing burkhas is understandable act, the same as the long skirts and sleeves religious jewish women wear.
September 5th, 2006 at 11:02 am
As a woman I can tell you there is a great difference between wearing long skirts & sleeves - even covering your hair, and covering all your face. While I understand moderate modesty as the Hijab, I really don’t understand the Burka thing, and designing a special burka-like gown for hospitals. In fact I see it preety dangerous when it is done in a western country.
September 5th, 2006 at 11:38 am
Fuck Burkas and those who advocate using them.
September 5th, 2006 at 12:18 pm
Ok, so this is what I imagined.. Someone is laying in a hospital bed under anasthetica and they wake up to a blue cookie monster. BOO!
September 5th, 2006 at 12:43 pm
I think this is intended for medical personnell in the operating room, not patients.
First of all folks, blue scrubs are for medical personnell, not patients In the USA, I admit it maybe different in other countries. I am not in medicine but recently had surgery. Your arms need to be free to put an IV in. No matter what kind of surgery you have, you are generally hooked up to an IV of some sort. Also if you are under general anesthesia, there is a tube down your throat that head cover would get in the way
If I am wrong and this outfit is for patients, how can a doctor permit it? I mean they have to have access to the body. Any medical personnell out there want to comment on this? I know what the article says, but that does not mean its accurate. This has to be scrubs for the modest nurse. You just cant operate on someone in this get up.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:06 pm
Trust Britain to outdo even muslim countries. I don’t think this is yet available in Egypt- perhaps they will consider exporting?
the British NHS is in a multimillion pound debt crisis with lack of doctors and emergency patients waiting in corridors for 5 hours to get treated. Instead of providing basic care to their people they are paying people like ms. jacobs to design burkas.
Londonistan indeed
September 5th, 2006 at 1:08 pm
I reckon they are actually trying to slip Darth Vader’s troops into hospitals without our knowledge.
Just check out these pictures to see if you think I’m right:
http://red6.home.insightbb.com/Aliens/Imperial/snowtrop.jpg
http://red6.home.insightbb.com/Aliens/Imperial/guard.jpg
I’ll be on the lookout for a Doctor Yoda next time I go to the hospital.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:17 pm
9#
Read the article:
“The ‘Inter-Faith Gown’ is the brainchild of Karen Jacob”
“Ms Jacob said: “I noticed a gap in the market and thought that it would be great if there was a gown that helped to preserve a patient’s modesty.”
The gown provides extra comfort and cover for patients undergoing medical procedures, and whose culture or religion requires them to be more modestly clothed.”
“For patients undergoing medical procedures”. Yes, despite what you think, it really is that retarded.
September 5th, 2006 at 1:24 pm
I just visited the Lancashire Hospital’s web-site…it’s the real deal folks, every fucked-up bit of it. I’m going to send Ms Jacobs my medication, she needs it a shit-load more than I do….is dhimmitude the word I should have been looking for ?
September 5th, 2006 at 1:46 pm
Muslims can wear hospital ‘inter-faith gown’
Where is all of this going? Is there no end to this silliness?
September 5th, 2006 at 1:58 pm
Does it come in pink?
Seriously, it looks like something they wear for moon landings!
As for the whole burqa thing- I was dropping my kids off at school (they go to an Islamic school here in Australia) and one of the Mums was wearing the burqa that covers the entire body from head to toe- usually they are black but this one was bright purple.
Now I thought the whole point of dressing modestly is so as not to draw attention to oneself. But I tell you- everyone was staring at the bright purple tent strolling down the street! She looked like Barney.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:33 pm
England! O, England! Why?
A hospital gown that preserves modesty would have snaps that actually work or ties that aren’t missing. Understandably, no one wants his or her ass catching a breeze.
Anyway, when you’re out and about on the public floors of the hospital, you can wear whatever you like. As a matter of fact, no one goes out of their room with just that tiny gown on!
This idea has nothing to do with accomodating other cultures’ notions of “modesty”. And it’s certainly not “interfaith”! It’s bending over backwards to appear ISLAMIC.
September 5th, 2006 at 4:24 pm
I don’t think any muslim asked Ms Jacob (does it sound like a Muslim name) to invent this…
It’s like the NHS ambulance directive that says medics should take their shoes off before they enter muslim homes…
It’s really stupid and ignorant — kinda assumes a muslim would rather die from cardiac arrest than let an ‘infidel’ go into their house with shoes on…
or that a muslim woman would rather die from something than undergo surgery with her face showing…
It’s PC gone mad because most Muslims don’t mind people going into their homes with shoes on anyway (they mixed it up with mosques, I guess)
Just completely silly–can’t they ask a muslim about it?
September 5th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
Is it only me, or does the pic look photoshopped?
the forehead & eyes area…
I am not questioning the truth of the news…just wondering if they actually bothered to make one and get a model to wear it…maybe they just fudged an image instead…
September 5th, 2006 at 5:11 pm
Eurabia.
September 5th, 2006 at 5:12 pm
Why is it an “interfaith” gown when the only people who would wear such a monstrosity would be zealous fundamentalist Muslims?
September 5th, 2006 at 5:18 pm
Actually, her eyes are kinda Sexy!!
September 5th, 2006 at 6:37 pm
In the name of political correctness I say the Rastafarians should also be able to smoke pot in the waiting rooms & the Haitian voodoo practitioners may hang dead chickens from the beds.
September 5th, 2006 at 6:54 pm
No matter how you look at it, its the religion - islam - thats a joke… what on earth did they do to brainwash this many people??
September 5th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
Any patient who is in the hospital, and feeling good enough to demand an “interfaith” gown, is ready for discharge!
September 5th, 2006 at 7:32 pm
Some time ago I saw a documentary about the Iranian revolution and the conservatives calling for a more “islamic” touch in life, rather than any “western” influences.
The irony is that those Iranian conservative protesters looked pretty western comparable with nowadays. Perhaps it was not allowed to wear burqas in Iran ( does anyone know this?), but something tells me in my heart that when all people are free to do and wear what they want and do not have to take into consideration what other thing of them or how others look at them, i do not believe that women would walk around in burqas.
September 5th, 2006 at 7:44 pm
#22, Tommy, in Eurabia :
look at this picture
September 5th, 2006 at 8:31 pm
I gave birth to all 3 of my children stark naked… I was in such a state that I couldn’t stand the idea of even a cloth over me. It really was ughhhh, oh shit, I hate you! All the way! The idea that I should have been concerned about covering up while this was taking place is absolutely abhorent to me. What other indignities can the Muslim world place on their females???
Also, several years ago, I shattered my arm and clavacle. I was operated on and, when I woke up, discovered I was naked (under a sheet). Shall I live in eternal damnation because the surgeon and staff needed to strip me for a tedious operation?
All of this is tremendously sad to me. I guess I am a feminist… (never mind the been there, had the experience, unfortunately, they don’t give out tee shirts).
September 5th, 2006 at 8:34 pm
The other thing that comes to mind; when all the females are totally covered, does this help the medical staff in identifying who it is they are working on?
Or, is it just another piece of meat, like any old cow or some other subsurvient animal?
September 5th, 2006 at 10:26 pm
It sounds like this is only an option for patients, I bet it is a marketing deal as I’m sure many rich arab women go to European and American hospitals for health care. I would have some issues with this on a prenatal floor, peds, or around neonatal Dept. I don’t think this will comply to safety and security measures in the US hospital system. The high security in the US hospitals (at least the ones I’m familiar with) won’t allow it. I think it is dangerous as anyone can wear this and can’t be identified.
I can’t imagine a Physician will agree to operate on a patient without seeing their face, very strange. I simply can’t see this happening in the US. It is like the driving license issue it won’t pass.
Alaa,
I have doubts about the photo too.
September 6th, 2006 at 12:36 am
I believe in great style. Here’s the ‘inter-faith wear’ I want the hospital to provide me with: Something simple in hand embroidered ivory silk - cut on the bias, of course .. with just a few pieces of antique lace here and there .. satin ribbon closures will do .. nothing ostentatious .. and damn it .. NO paper slippers .. and while you’re at it .. no shots or IV or operations or nasty hospital food .. none of that stuff. Hear?
September 6th, 2006 at 12:51 am
Oddly enough, on my recent trip to the town of Springfield, Illinois, the front page of the local newspaper featured a large photo of just such a burka gown. According to the story, the local hospital makes them available because Muslim women patients felt that the usual American hosptial gown was not appropriate for them…so this American hospital was quick to accommodate with a white head-to-toe affair that looks like it makes a medical exam impossible.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:14 am
It’s probably just a short term thing. Long-term the nurses will all have to wear patato sacks so they don’t offend “muslims”.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:16 am
Hey Babs and Girl get of your “poor little Muslim women, Western Feminist” high-horse bullshit and read Alaa’s post. The gown was developed by a NON MUSLIM because she “saw a gap in the market” not because the Muslims in Britain “brainwashed” anyone or wanted to place “indignities” on their females. This is obviously an example of very very bad commercialisation and has nothing to do with religion- Ms Jacob’s wants to make a buck out of it and is exploiting it as Islamic.
You people piss me off when you assume that the Muslims are the ones who ask for these things- it’s the same every year here at Christmas time when some dufus decides that they won’t have Santa or Christmas lights to “respect Muslims”. WE NEVER ASKED FOR IT. But we always have to cop the crap by ignorant f*heads like you who take it as an opportunity to spout forth bullshit Feminist rhetoric and get all nice and smug about it because it proves to you that yes, despite the fact that women in Western countries STILL earn less than their male counterparts for exactly the same work and no, there is no equal representation of females in parliament, Western women are better off than Muslim women, aren’t they!
And no, I don’t wear the burqa (and I don’t agree with it) or even the hijab for that matter.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:21 am
“Any patient who is in the hospital, and feeling good enough to demand an “interfaith” gown, is ready for discharge!”
Any patient feeling good enough to demand an “interfaith” gown is ready to be committed to the nearest mental institution.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:34 am
“despite the fact that women in Western countries STILL earn less than their male counterparts for exactly the same work and no, there is no equal representation of females in parliament”
For someone on an anti-feminist kick, you sure do buy a lot of the stupidest feminist bullshit, Anne. Women do not, in general, make less than men do for the same work, at least not in the United States. That inference is drawn from misleading studies that fail to take into account the fact that a lot of women take time off from their careers to raise children. As a result, they get “sidetracked” during their careers. Yes, discrimination does occur from time to time, but when you take the childrearing factor I just mentioned into account, differences in wages between men and women are statistically insignificant.
I noticed that Arabs and their sympathizers seem to be inordinately fond of complaining about the far lesser sins of western civilization to cover Arab asses. I supose that Anne would also argue that nobody in Egypt could possibly complain about the stoning of women in stadiums under the Tablian because Egyptians weren’t completely nonsexist themselves. Taking your argument to its (il)logical conclusion, nobody can complain about any society’s treatment of any race, ethnic group, sex, or religion, or just about any group or person because no other society is absolutely perfect.
Multiculturalist/relativist thinking at its finest.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:56 am
Read my post again Tommy- I was not defending anyone on this nor was I trying to “cover” anyone’s ass- I was expressing my anger at Babs and Girl for using this example as yet another opportunity to exercise Western feminist hegemony based on a historically inherited stereotype of the muted Muslim woman shrouded in black, walking ten steps behind her husband ‘like death out for a walk’. Ask my Aussie husband if I ever walk behind him!!!
The underlying inference in Western Feminist discourse is that the poor Muslim woman is too oppressed to speak for herself so Western women must speak on her behalf. Ironically, this kind of hegemony does not achieve the feminist objective of fundamental social rights for women.
By all means complain (loudly) about the ill treatment and oppression of women everywhere but do not use instances such as this “interfaith” whateveritis and the examples that Alaa gives in his post to homogenise Muslims or as yet another excuse to denounce the treatment of women in Islam- they are meaningless and detract from the real issues.
If you really really want to complain then yes, complain about stonings, complain about FGM, complain about teenage girls getting bashed and killed by their fathers for ‘dishonouring’ the family
And by the way- I’m Australian of Egyptian background and was referring to Australian statistics about equal pay for equal work
September 6th, 2006 at 6:40 am
Anne Says:
“…. The gown was developed by a NON MUSLIM…”
Ok. what about Mr.Smith? Does it sound like a Muslim name?
Mr. Smith is the president of Muslim Union of Italy.
*********
Anne Says:
“……some dufus decides that they won’t have Santa or Christmas lights to “respect Muslims”. WE NEVER ASKED FOR IT…”
Mr. Smith ( the president of Muslim Union of Italy) had called Catholic Church “a criminal organization” and pope John Paul II “a deceiver” in TV broadcast.
He became known after he had demanded all the crosses from the walls of the kindergarten and the school in Antonio Silveri di Ofena to be removed.
(talian law from 1920 allow hanging the crosses on the walls of the schools. The cross is more than a religious symbol, according to bishop Giuseppe Bettori, secretary-general of the Episcopal conference, it also expresses the roots of Italian civilization.)
He (Mr. Smith) threw the crucifix out of the hospital of l’Aquila’s window while visiting his mother.
Smith is the author of anonymous pamphlet “Islam will punish Oriana Fallaci”, calling Muslims to kill the journalist.
September 6th, 2006 at 7:20 am
Mr Smith is obviously an idiot!
My point was that there are a lot of things that get done by people who think they are being politically correct (and to be fair, most of them are well meaning- not talking about Smithy here- the guy needs to sit down and shut up) but that result in a backlash against Muslims in Western countries who have absolutely no desire to change Western traditions or impose their own beliefs, and reinforce the negative stereotypes that so many of us are trying hard to challenge every day of our lives.
Imagine living all your life in a country- going to school there, working, marrying, raising kids and then being told to “go back to where you came from, you don’t belong here” because someone, somewhere decided that they would not have Santa this Christmas because it might offend Muslims! You would be pissed off, wouldn’t you? You would want people to know that it wasn’t you or anyone else you know who asked for a ban on Santa, wouldn’t you? You would want to speak out and say “not me, not in my name”
September 6th, 2006 at 7:48 am
I changed my mind. Such a burqa is just brilliant for when you are being treated for ah awful rash
September 6th, 2006 at 8:26 am
*Cheers Anne on from the sidelines*
Read what she says, not what you think she’s saying.
September 6th, 2006 at 9:02 am
Ms. Jacob obviously sold what’s left of her common sense for a few thousand grand.
Anne,
I hear what you’re saying, and from your posts, I gather that you’re more westernized than most Muslim women (which is a good thing) but I think you already know that there are Muslims who demand special treatment. Even if they are in the minority, the Muslim majority who say, “Not me, not in my name” are seldom heard. Below are just a few stories of Muslims demanding special treatment. You may have heard of these stories.
1) Muslims call for special bank holidays; demands sharia law for family matters
2) Muslim inmates win court case that allows them to attend Friday religious services and to grow beards
3) Muslim girl sues school for not allowing her to wear ankle-length jilbab gown
4) Muslim women demand the gym to wall off a co-ed aerobic center from their women-only section because men could see them working out. More absurd demands from that link.
Since you’re in Australia, perhaps you have heard about the Australian police being issued a ”religious diversity handbook” that advises them ”to treat Muslim domestic violence cases differently out of respect for Islamic traditions and habits.”
This last link may be a little off topic, but it spotlights the belief some muslims hold about what is permissible for them to do as Muslims. Some Muslim men believe it’s okay to rape unveiled girls and women.
September 6th, 2006 at 9:05 am
Ms. Jacob obviously sold what’s left of her common sense for a few thousand grand.
Anne,
I hear what you’re saying, and from your posts, I gather that you’re more westernized than most Muslim women (which is a good thing) but I think you already know that there are Muslims who demand special treatment. Even if they are in the minority, the Muslim majority who say, “Not me, not in my name” are seldom heard. Below are just a few stories of Muslims demanding special treatment. You may have heard of these stories.
1) Muslims call for special bank holidays; demands sharia law for family matters
2) Muslim inmates win court case that allows them to attend Friday religious services and to grow beards
3) Muslim girl sues school for not allowing her to wear ankle-length jilbab gown
4) Muslim women demand the gym to wall off a co-ed aerobic center from their women-only section because men could see them working out. More absurd demands from that link.
Since you’re in Australia, perhaps you have heard about the Australian police being issued a ”religious diversity handbook” that advises them ”to treat Muslim domestic violence cases differently out of respect for Islamic traditions and habits.”
This last link may be a little off topic, but it spotlights the belief some muslims hold about what is permissible for them to do as Muslims. Some Muslim men believe it’s okay to rape unveiled girls and women.
My point is that there are Muslims who possess a superiority complex and those individuals are making their demands heard loud and clear. The Muslim majority, whom I call EMMs (Elusive Moderate Muslims), are nowhere to be seen or heard from in such times. Some present companies excepted, of course.
September 6th, 2006 at 9:36 am
jonas, please spare me the “Elusive Moderate Muslim” bullshit. I am sick and tired of stupid attemps to sieze any opportunity to attack all muslims and come up with ridiculous generalizations.
September 6th, 2006 at 10:50 am
Tommi,
I don’t know how it is in the U.S, In Israel women DO earn less than man on the same job - it’s not officially, ofcoarse, it just happens, and I tend to belive it is so in the U.S as well. By the way, several Israeli leftist men I spoke with, some of them extreem left, argued that it isn’t true. “It can’t be. It never happens. Women earn the same”. It seems you can be totaly open to anything, but not when it comes to that.
I’d accept your claim that it’s because birth and raising children - if women were less promoted. But it isn’t it: women earn less than man on the same job with the same seniority.
September 6th, 2006 at 11:18 am
#19,20 alaa
perhaps if Europeans weren’t constantly threatened with the word Islamaphobia, people wouldn’t start doing things like that. There is endless accusations by the MCB (Muslim council of britain) that there is racism towards muslims and that they are victimised. They don’t mind really?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19712
check into the real world alaa
September 6th, 2006 at 11:20 am
alaa, also read jonas # 44
September 6th, 2006 at 11:49 am
Jonas, know the stories well- I work as a senior policy officer for the government which means I basically advise politicians. Part of my job is to talk to communities about issues that the pollies might get red faced about. I’m also a volunteer with a community organisation that provides training and assistance to people of all faiths, including Muslims.
Here are some of my own little gems from Muslims here. These requests have actually been made. Enjoy!
Muslim women want swimming pools only for Muslim women- when I told them that there are swimming pools have women’s only sessions- their response “No, we can’t get undressed in front of other women”
My response “kiss my arse”
Muslims in Australia need prayer rooms at major shopping centres.
My response “If you’re spending all day at the shops then it’s not a prayer room you need”
Muslims need a Sharia Divorce Court in Australia because some Muslim men are refusing to divorce their wives and, even though they are getting legal divorces from the Australian courts, the women don’t “feel” divorced unless its Sharia
My response “Get over it- you don’t need a Sharia divorce you need a new husband”
Muslim women want special classes for learning English that are close to their homes and only with other Muslim women.
My response “When I was teaching English I had a student, a widowed refugee, who would take 3 buses carrying her young kids. She got up at 6am everday to make it to class by 8:30 am. And guess what- she was Muslim”
September 6th, 2006 at 1:18 pm
[...] First reported by The Sandmonkey. Two hospitals in northwestern England will be offering head-to-toe gowns for Muslim women who request them. [...]
September 6th, 2006 at 1:34 pm
@Noa, that’s also in the Netherlands. A way to avoid being paid the same is a different description of the job title, while the work is just the same.
It’s pathetic in these days.
September 6th, 2006 at 5:04 pm
Originally posted by Mansoor
jonas, please spare me the “Elusive Moderate Muslim” bullshit. I am sick and tired of stupid attemps to sieze any opportunity to attack all muslims and come up with ridiculous generalizations.
Well, Mansoor, there are 1B+ Muslims in the world. If only a small fraction of them are committing terrorist acts that defile the name of Allah and the Prophet, then shouldn’t the super majority of Muslims who oppose such acts make an even louder voice in protest? Except for Muslim groups, where are the individual moderate Muslims? I see more individual Muslims protest in support of Hezbollah and against the Israelis than I see them protest against terrorism being done in the name of their religion.
I’ll tell ya what. In the upcoming weeks, months, and years, there will be many more terrorist acts being committed in the name of Islam. We will see how many Elusive Moderate Muslims speak up about those acts. Hell, Big Pharaoh has a story every few days. Why don’t you do the tally and share it with us.
Anne,
Love your responses, especially the “kiss my ass” comment. lol
September 6th, 2006 at 6:42 pm
OK jonas boy, let me put it to you this way. Moderate Muslims owe the world nothing, zip, zero, zilch. In fact, the world should be grateful that the majority of Muslims are moderate, because if they were all to turn into extremists, you would be in deep shit. Am I making myself clear here? Just try to understand that the terrorism war that is being waged by jihadi nutters and the war on terror waged by Dubya are two sides of the same bloody coin and are the force behind the vicious circle of violence that is spiralling out of control. War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful and terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless.
September 6th, 2006 at 7:25 pm
Anne wrote:
I was not defending anyone on this nor was I trying to “cover” anyone’s ass
Whatever.
You originally said:
Ms Jacob’s wants to make a buck out of it and is exploiting it as Islamic.
Then don’t worry. If it isn’t Islamic, nobody will go for it. Right? Christians won’t be wearing this potato sack getup after all.
You also said:
You people piss me off when you assume that the Muslims are the ones who ask for these things- it’s the same every year here at Christmas time when some dufus decides that they won’t have Santa or Christmas lights to “respect Muslims”
Muslims have lead a charge in trying to remove Christian symbols in many areas including, as has already been pointed out, Italy.
Not to mention, such indidents like the whole absurd Burger King ice cream-image-that-looks-like-the-name-Allah episode they protested about.
Even Russia isn’t safe:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009324.php
Banning toy pigs:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/008376.php
etc. etc.
And by the way- I’m Australian of Egyptian background and was referring to Australian statistics about equal pay for equal work
Which are likely biased in the same ways the American statistics are. Do you have any references?
September 6th, 2006 at 8:16 pm
Originally posted by Mansoor
OK jonas boy, let me put it to you this way. Moderate Muslims owe the world nothing, zip, zero, zilch.
Don’t they owe it to their holy god, their holy prophet, to speak up?
In fact, the world should be grateful that the majority of Muslims are moderate, because if they were all to turn into extremists, you would be in deep shit.
If all the moderates were bloodthirsty savages, we can end this war so fast you wouldn’t believe.
Am I making myself clear here?
Actually, you are.
Just try to understand that the terrorism war that is being waged by jihadi nutters and the war on terror waged by Dubya are two sides of the same bloody coin and are the force behind the vicious circle of violence that is spiralling out of control. War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful and terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless.
Nice moral equivocation.
September 6th, 2006 at 8:54 pm
Oh please, Mansour, nobody believes that bullshit about “terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless.” Poverty doesn’t cause terrorism, the Friday sermons and literal interpretation of Mo does. Not to mention Sunnis loving to kill Shias. Remember the nice, middle-class life that the “magnificent nineteen” had? Nobody’s buying this anymore. Sod off.
September 6th, 2006 at 9:01 pm
Karin said: Poverty doesn’t cause terrorism.
… Did you use bothe your brain cells to conclude that this is what I meant?
September 6th, 2006 at 9:01 pm
Karin said: Poverty doesn’t cause terrorism.
… Did you use both your brain cells to conclude that this is what I meant?
September 6th, 2006 at 10:28 pm
“terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless.”
Funny. Those Saudis who flew jets into skyscrapers a five years ago were not poor. Bin Laden certainly isn’t poor. Many of those non-Iraqi Arabs entering Iraq to wage jihad are the type that have the time and money to burn on such ventures. They are not poor. A number of Palestinian suicide bombers have come from relatively well-off and respected families in the West Bank.
Terrorism is, on the other hand, often directed against the poor and the powerless. The majority of those dying in terrorist attacks in Iraq are not wealthy.
September 7th, 2006 at 3:14 am
I actually think most Western leaders are hoping that their “moderate” Muslim populations become more extreme. While it seems that Muslims can be more violent than Christians - because they often shout about how violent they can be (even on this blog) - my eyes tell me that the scale of violence that Christians can deal out is far more than anyone else.
September 7th, 2006 at 5:11 pm
Anyone who takes jihadwatch or dhimmiwatch seriously is not worth taking seriously…
its EXACTLY like quoting a neo-nazi website or believing in “LEFT BEHIND” BS…
September 8th, 2006 at 2:11 am
I suppose it could be worse…
In 17th century China, women were not allowed to let a doctor even see her body. Instead, the doctor would give the woman a palm sized “Diagnostic Doll” and the woman would point to the parts of the doll show where her pain was. In extreme cases, the woman would use a female maid to shuffle the doll between the patient and doctor because she didn’t want the doctor to see her at all.
Here is a short article with a photo from Brown University of one of the dolls used. http://brownalumnimagazine.com/storydetail.cfm?ID=2273
September 8th, 2006 at 2:46 am
“Anyone who takes jihadwatch or dhimmiwatch seriously is not worth taking seriously…
its EXACTLY like quoting a neo-nazi website or believing in “LEFT BEHIND” BS…”
Anybody who takes the so-called moderate Muslims who argue that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism isn’t worth taking seriously.
September 8th, 2006 at 3:21 am
“Muslims are moderate, because if they were all to turn into extremists, you would be in deep shit.”
Oooooooooooooooooo I’m am like so shaking right now.
Wait.. give us the excuse.. I beg you. Please.
September 8th, 2006 at 3:23 am
Oh yeah .. on the topic of Muslim women and their supporters
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=404132&in_page_id=1770
Wouldn’t mind making her a homeless muslim single mommy
September 8th, 2006 at 10:44 am
Jason from Toronto Says:
Oooooooooooooooooo I’m am like so shaking right now.
Wait.. give us the excuse.. I beg you. Please.
I honestly didnt mean to sacre you Jason and I am sorry if this what you understood. I wanted to say that if you have a problem because a few terrorists were killing people, then if you had more of those jerks you would have a bigger problem, right?
September 8th, 2006 at 3:41 pm
You Crazy, that is a bitch ass blue Ninja suit! I want one! All my kids are begging me to please get them that cool Blue NINjA suit for Halloween.
Lets all go to the hospital and play “Ninja Fun”.
HiiiiiieeeeeeYaaah!!!
September 9th, 2006 at 4:19 am
She looks like a welder.
This reminds me of a great pseudo-article on a web site devoted to a novel called Prayers for the Assassin, by Robert Ferrigno. It’s about the US inthe year 2040 or thereabouts, after it had become a Muslim society. The premise is weird, but the book is very readable. Anyway, the web site has mock news stories from this fantasy world. Appropos of the above, look at this article:
http://www.republicworldnews.com/news/health/modesty-in-surgery/
September 9th, 2006 at 4:22 am
On second thought, maybe it’s just the color that’s all wrong. Perhaps it wouldn’t look so bad in a mauve or creme color…or maybe wedgewood blue.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:47 am
“then if you had more of those jerks you would have a bigger problem, right?”
Yes and No.. actually would be quite useful if you all were messed up religious freaks .. be easier to do something about.
Scare? Me? You? HA! lol thnx I needed that laugh.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:14 am
You’re hilarious Jason from Toronto. OK, suppose we were all messed up religious freaks, what would you do?
September 10th, 2006 at 7:43 pm
Mansour El Sa3eedy, you might be 1B, the rest of the world is a little more than that. Do you really want WW3?
September 14th, 2006 at 10:12 am
This is several shades of crazy. OR personnel are covered from head to toe with only the eyes showing anyways. Patients can wear these burkhas but they will still have to strip when it’s clinical examination time.
July 1st, 2007 at 7:45 pm
Islam allow to open the face, hand & foot of women.
It is misconcept in nonmuslim that required face, hand & foot covered.
May 22nd, 2008 at 10:21 pm
The gown is for patients….. medical staff refuse to wash their hands in alcohol if they are muslim