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Friday, 10 Nov 2006
This Eid attack wasn't the first one, it seems. There was another one at last year's eid, and there is the video for it. For all of those who thought we were exagerating, this is for you! Welcome to our Nightmare.
Now, here is my question: If this happend last eid, and this eid, is it now officially a tradition and not an isolated incident? Is it now the thing to do. Was this the prucursor to this?
We will probably never know, but one thing is certain, we definitely have a problem.
Update: One of the victims of the eid sexual attacks has started a blog, in english. Check it out!
November 10th, 2006 at 11:00 am
1. The video has no voice. And it looks like general commosion like at marde gras, or during new years. No massive female rapes.
2. A blog can be created by anyone, anywhere at anytime. Their is no proof that this blog belongs to a egyptian women. The overwhelming evidance points to you SM.
3. The blog was started recently, it has 2 posts. This is very strange. The picture which is posted is very generic and can be gotten anywhere, a old science text book, ect…
4. You SM are the only one to comment which puts a great deal of suspicion that you are attempting to pull a story out of nowhere
5. Anyone can injure his or her hand, this is not proof of sexual abuse, unless, she was forced to give a real fast handjob.
November 10th, 2006 at 11:04 am
Angry libyan- american, back with a vengence with fun conspiracy theories. Oh, how I missed your crazy ass!
November 10th, 2006 at 11:17 am
angryarabamericanx:
What are you talking about? why would SM do that? its not like he’s some obescure guy lookin for fame and popularity, This is the Sandmonkey for Gods sake, it doesn’t make sense.
further more, why does the notion of a female starting a blog recently strike you as “very strange”? what’s so very strange about it? actualy you seem to contradict yourself there, you said: “A blog can be created by anyone, anywhere at anytime” So, why is it “very strange” that a female that got attacked would start a blog recently?
November 10th, 2006 at 11:54 am
SM,
Nice post. It’s good to see that one of the victims started a blog. But how genuine do you really think it is?
November 10th, 2006 at 11:59 am
Sad to see such a display of mass hypocrisy… ‘religious’ holiday one day, uncontrollable sexual fiends then next. Makes Ted Haggard seem like icon of moral values.
The god they claim to believe in, and kill for, must have a pretty sick sense of humor to have created men with such weak minds.
November 10th, 2006 at 12:14 pm
X, your last line “forced to give a real fast handjob” tells everyone all they need to know about your attitude towards women. Your misogyny demands you blame the women. Muslim men wouldn’t attack a good woman. It must be the womans fault. The sand monkey must have made this all up. The pictures must be false. G*d forbid you should see these attacks as an actual problem. And that muslim men were involved.
November 10th, 2006 at 12:18 pm
I’ve got to say that this video just shows some kind of mass ‘riot’ - not too clear what it’s all about, but I couldn’t see anything that looked like mass rape… Not saying that none happened, just that this video shows very little to that effect.
November 10th, 2006 at 12:24 pm
Its a picture of a freakin hand man.
In anycase, if you are to blame this on Islam, then I geuss the rapes during katrina, marde grass, ect, are a testamony to what Christianity stands for.
Every rape, killing, attack, mass murder spree commited by a “Christian” who was born into the faith is a example of the faith if we are use the current logic that is being used against Islam.
November 10th, 2006 at 1:00 pm
Thanks for posting this.
For those who think this shows no more than a “mass riot” and are disappointed not to see actual rapes, why don’t you try being female and walking down a street with a mass of males crowding around you and saying nasty sexual things to you and pushing themselves towards you (and possibly grabbing parts of your body). It’s pretty damn scary and it’s sure as hell sexual harrassment. Have the basic bloody decency and human empathy to recognize that. And Mr X, if you think it’s just one big Mardi Gras party, why don’t you come here, we’ll dress you in drag and make you real pretty and set you on the streets of downtown next Eid. Have fun.
November 10th, 2006 at 1:07 pm
An addendum thought… I find it interesting that these religious societies hold men in higher regard than their women. It would seem women are the more sensible of the two. If men lack the power of restraint dealing with these basic things, how on earth can they be trusted to operate, teach and lead in scociety? I think the women should be the leaders.
Perhaps somewhere along the line someone trasncribing the koran suffered from dyslexia and got the role values reversed…
November 10th, 2006 at 1:11 pm
adam, look again, u will see the three girls getting mobbed by the swarm of guys. Also, do you see that blue truck? That’s the egyptian police car. as you can see the guy looks and doesn’t do anything.
November 10th, 2006 at 1:15 pm
X said:
“In anycase, if you are to blame this on Islam, then I geuss the rapes during katrina, marde grass, ect, are a testamony to what Christianity stands for.
Every rape, killing, attack, mass murder spree commited by a “Christian” who was born into the faith is a example of the faith if we are use the current logic that is being used against Islam. ”
No, those were simply committed by idiots. Katrina and New Orleans were not religous holidays with mobs comprised of predominantly one relgion. Individual acts are just that…
I’m no fan of _any_ organized religion, but the next time you see a mob a christians exiting a church from easter services going on a sexual frenzy, and the police deny it ever occurred, you let me know.
November 10th, 2006 at 1:26 pm
I’m with Adam B. - I just can’t see anything in the video. What exactly am I looking for and how far in does it happen? I’m sure it happened, I just want to see it with my own eyes.
November 10th, 2006 at 1:26 pm
Hi Readers,
Please, take a few moments and look at that video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2SGamUeMec where it can give you an idea of what happened to me and how I got chased by guys on Talaat Harb street. It’s NOT me in the video, but that’s exactly what happened to me as it happened to those poor girls in the video. I took the link from Sandmonkey’s blog. That’s exactly what happened to me as well, same street (Talaat Harb street), same SPOT of Talaat Harb street, how amazing!!!!!!!
November 10th, 2006 at 1:32 pm
Sandmonkey,
What do you propose to do to prevent this from happening again? It’s probably a joke to think that these women could bring charges against the police or the city for lack of protection but could their fathers possibly bring charges? Is anything like that ever heard of in Egypt?
November 10th, 2006 at 1:38 pm
Shit I can’t watch… bloody IT dept on campus blocked YouTube… even a proxy cloak won’t work…
BTW X, you’re right. It’s not by a woman. I created that blog and that’s my cousin’s hand. A little halloween make up and wala you get a bruised hand. Cool right?
Oh ya and in case you didn’t know BP is the cousin I’m talking about… which I guess makes SM my cousin too since BP and SM are the same people… No?
=p
November 10th, 2006 at 1:39 pm
I think that points towards the heart of the problem. Why should the women have to rely on their fathers to accomplish this?
November 10th, 2006 at 1:49 pm
Could someone please correct X? It is mardi gras not marde gras. Sorry but it hurts my Frenchspeaking eyes :-).
And mardi gras isn’t a christian festivity. It dates back from the pre-roman time.
November 10th, 2006 at 1:52 pm
Tom Katt, your attempts to pin this on religion are stupid. You can find misogynistic statements in every religious text - including the Bible - and misogynistic men in every religious community. The connection between these events and the Eid was that it was a holiday for Eid and lots of young men were on the streets of downtown as they were going to the movies. This is a matter of women’s safety and sexual harrassment - problems that are serious in Egypt as well as other countries - so if you have an axe to grind about religion, or if you just need a place to vent about Islam, go do it elsewhere.
November 10th, 2006 at 1:55 pm
You guys really want to know my opinion?
SM as a Sudanese, I thought a lot about problems facing countries like Sudan and Egypt. My conclusion? People die in Darfur - too bad. Women get harrassed like that - too bad… Too bad as long as most people in our countries just go about their lives normally instead of waking up to make a damn revolution happen… democracy is the only solution and it’s not going to be handed to us… Oh no it won’t… we have to fight for it and the rights that come along with it… until enough people start doing that, our countries won’t change…
I’ve vowed to myself to do what I can to change things… I can’t do much now but I’ll graduate, inshallah accomplish my entrepreneurial dreams, set up an NGO and finally start or join a damn political party to bring down the filthy disease in Sudan that is called Bashir’s NCP… From there, a massive reformation of the education system to actually teach the future generations something and not garbage…
People call me crazy just coz of the passion I have and shit I say… My mom especially freaks out when I tell her the following: I’d rather die with a bullet in my head or with my neck hanging from a rope as long as it’s for something rather than with cancer on a hospital bed…
Yes, I’m crazy but I’ll die trying and walking that road…
One last word (ending of Brave Heart, my most favorite movie of all time): Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedooooooooooooom!!!
Oh well… goodnite…
November 10th, 2006 at 1:57 pm
SP, just ignore him…
goodnite
November 10th, 2006 at 2:05 pm
X, the chick named girl4cairo who started the blog just left a very girly comment on my blog and I can tell you that it sounds nothing like SM.
ok now seriously goodnite… blogging is so damn addictive…
November 10th, 2006 at 2:24 pm
Sp said:
“Tom Katt, your attempts to pin this on religion are stupid.”
I’m not pinning it on religion, other than pointing out the hyprocrisy of it. Are you suggesting that mob wasn’t made up of mostly muslim men? There may be misogynistic elements to many religions, but I can’t think of any others that apply it with such mass social acceptance. And while this problem is unfortunately to be found in other countries, I think that there is indeed more of a religious connection in these specific examples. You don’t see many religious leaders from other faiths making ‘cat-meat’ statements.
November 10th, 2006 at 2:56 pm
To clarify.. Do you think that if these men had been raised in an environment where women were treated as equals, with respect, that incidences such as these would still occur? I think it would be much less likely. Obviously, the problem is what your society accepts. The fact that your society is largely based on a religion that allows for women’s unequal status is more that coincidence.
November 10th, 2006 at 3:07 pm
.. Do you think that if these men had been raised in an environment where women were treated as equals, with respect, that incidences such as these would still occur?
Yeah like America, because we all know rapes, murders, and assults on women never occur their.
November 10th, 2006 at 3:08 pm
.. Do you think that if these men had been raised in an environment where women were treated as equals, with respect, that incidences such as these would still occur?
Yeah like America, because we all know rapes, murders, and assults on women never occur their.
November 10th, 2006 at 3:21 pm
SP Says:”Tom Katt, your attempts to pin this on religion are stupid. You can find misogynistic statements in every religious text - including the Bible - and misogynistic men in every religious community.”
Sure but there is a difference between a religious community where one out of every ten thousand is a bigot and one where one out of every ten is. Can you point me to this happening in China for instance?
SP Says:”This is a matter of women’s safety and sexual harrassment - problems that are serious in Egypt as well as other countries - so if you have an axe to grind about religion, or if you just need a place to vent about Islam, go do it elsewhere.”
Have you read Sheik Hilali’s “the women ask for it” comments? You don’t think that there is issues of women’s safety and sexual harrassment that are unique to Islam - or at least far more serious in the central lands of Islam? Why is it that this happens far more in Muslim countries than non-Muslim ones? Ask any Western women who has been to northern and southern India about ass-grabbing and obscene comments in public. Try walking through Paris and Fez. Then come back to us and tell us this is a problem for all mankind.
November 10th, 2006 at 4:15 pm
I should probably ignore the ignoramuses, but I can’t resist. HeiGou - India is not a majority Muslim country, as anyone with more than two grey cells to rub together ought to know - and having lived there, with and around Hindus for years, I can tell you that the harrassment situation is a hundred times worse than in Cairo. And I’ve lived in Paris too, and got comments much the same as I get in Cairo - though not as bad as my American friends did.
One out of every four American women is sexually assaulted in her lifetime, and having lived in American cities with high crime rates, I’ve felt unsafe there too. Would you say we “can’t ignore the fact that the majority of men” THERE are of “one religion”? What makes you think this has to do with religion? This is all-purpose patriarchy, pal. Those of you who want to make this about identity politics, whether defending Islam or bashing it, have it all wrong, IMHO.
November 10th, 2006 at 4:23 pm
X said:
“Yeah like America, because we all know rapes, murders, and assults on women never occur their. ”
If you really wish to over-simplify this issue to that degree, there’s less hope for it to be resolved. Are you really going to compare individual deviants to a mob’s actions condoned by authorities and religious leaders? Has this problem become so bad in America that women need to protest against it? Do American women feel the need to cower and cover themselves to prevent American men from their uncontrollible urges to harras them?
America is hardly perfect, but it’s generally open society and tolerance is it’s greatest strength. There will never be a perfect society… mankind seems programmed to destroy itself. But knowing that, we can hopefully take steps to minimize the damage.
November 10th, 2006 at 4:50 pm
We all know that, every Friday, there are a bunch of fire-breathing Muslim preachers encouraging violence against the whole world, including women. And at least one Muslim woman appreciates those radical imams and the amazing things they say.
http://www.muslimwakeup.com/main/archives/2006/11/in_appreciation.php#more
hee hee
November 10th, 2006 at 5:04 pm
“Danish journalists have told me they do not immediately turn to Abu Laban anymore to speak for Muslims. It looks like Muslims in Denmark are slowly being allowed the differences enjoyed by other groups.” from Muslimwakeup.com. (Thanks, Valerie!) Now if only the BBC would wake up.
X -
“4. You SM are the only one to comment which puts a great deal of suspicion that you are attempting to pull a story out of nowhere”
Where on earth have you been? Anyone care to count the number of bloggers who have spoken out on this - even before SM? I hope more who were actually there will come forward.
Perhaps next Eid, citizen patrols could be formed. It would send a good message, too.
November 10th, 2006 at 6:03 pm
Valerie said:
“And at least one Muslim woman appreciates those radical imams and the amazing things they say.”
I am not so narrow minded as to think all extremist religious leaders represent the majority view of any religion. However, I think the issue at hand is the result of Islam’s effect on it’s societies. I found the adjacent article from the same page to better communicate the problem than I could…
http://www.muslimwakeup.com/main/archives/2006/11/clothes_arent_t.php
November 11th, 2006 at 6:00 am
“If men lack the power of restraint dealing with these basic things, how on earth can they be trusted to operate, teach and lead in scociety?”
Good point, Tom Katt. I’d go even farther and say that men should not be allowed in politics, anywhere, anytime. Look at the mess the world has been in for millenia!
November 11th, 2006 at 4:57 pm
Drima,
no, you’re not BP’s cousin.X is SM and BP and Drima and ITM and girl4cairo and …
November 12th, 2006 at 1:24 am
I guess the difference between the Islamists and the Christians regarding rape is that the Christian clerics are not telling young men that girls, sans Hijabis, are uncovered meat and to blame for their rapes. Sounds like an open invitation, on the part of the Muslim religious establishment, to rape girls.
November 13th, 2006 at 3:40 pm
SP Says:”I should probably ignore the ignoramuses, but I can’t resist. HeiGou - India is not a majority Muslim country, as anyone with more than two grey cells to rub together ought to know - and having lived there, with and around Hindus for years, I can tell you that the harrassment situation is a hundred times worse than in Cairo. And I’ve lived in Paris too, and got comments much the same as I get in Cairo - though not as bad as my American friends did.”
I think you probably should have. I agree any idiot knows that India is not a majority Muslim country. My point was perhaps a little too subtle. As anyone who has lived in India also knows, women have much greater problems in the north than in the south. Northern Hindus are just as Hindu as southern Hindus and yet women are freer in Tamil Nadu than Gujerat. What does Gujerat have that Tamil Nadu does not? Well it has a much longer history of rule by foreigners and a large presence of certain minorities. Do you think that perhaps the culture of some of those minorities might have rubbed off on the Hindu majority? So let’s all agree to blame the Jains perhaps. Something is at work here.
SP Says:”One out of every four American women is sexually assaulted in her lifetime, and having lived in American cities with high crime rates, I’ve felt unsafe there too.”
Define “sexually assaulted”. Last I heard that figure was produced by including any woman who had been whistled at on the street. I bet that four single unaccompanied women could not walk through the majority of West Asian towns and not be sexually assaulted in that sense. Every day.
SP Says:”What makes you think this has to do with religion? This is all-purpose patriarchy, pal. Those of you who want to make this about identity politics, whether defending Islam or bashing it, have it all wrong, IMHO.”
Sorry, but you think you can separate patriarchy from certain religions? How? You don’t think that the culture is strongly influenced by the religion and both affect family structures? I don’t think this is about religion. I just think that a certain type of religion plays a large role in shaping a culture which leads to women being harassed. If I have it wrong could you perhaps tell us all what is causing it?
November 20th, 2006 at 2:49 am
ZOMG, don’t u people get tired of blaming every single thing on islam?
Fact number 1: Women in hijab (Gelbab even) were harrassed on the same night and street. So ‘Miss Carnivoruous’ above there, is saying nonsense.
Fact Number 2: Which I say alot, most of people in the middle east only follow names, they are muslims or christians by name! they are following nothing but thier own mind, later on that down.
Last Random Facts: Now u say islam is the source right? ok lets see what islam says;
# 3`ad el basar, which means not to look at women’s body (expecialy if revealed), but if you are speaking and such thats nothing but normal, because when u speak with a person you look at his/her face.
# Zenah, which means adultry (I think) anyway it means pre-marital sex, which is SCTRICLTY forbidden, even if you love that person, even if both partenrs are willing to have sex. It is one of the most major sins.
Now plz tell me, how islam has anything to do with what happened? these are like ABC islam, every1 knows them, even arab christians knows these are in islam, know how is harrassment or rape related to that ?
November 25th, 2006 at 11:09 pm
ode for the odious
let us pray to move the hand of God
may He raze this modern blight of Nod
might we see Him right the wrongs of late
may He end their current reign of hate
might He lay waste to this infidel horde
and may they know the power of our Lord
may we live to see Mohammed shamed
might we see the evil Q’ran tamed
may their idols go the way of Baal
and Dagon to the depths of Hell
might He summon His archangels legion
to smite these wicked, East of Eden
those living by the bloody sword
and fell them by the Word of the Lord
may this Ramadan be their last
their mosques and shrines things of the past
might we drive them from their wretched lands
this bastard race of Abraham
may their minarets and mullahs fall
we pray their end once and for all
A. Christian
December 4th, 2006 at 9:59 pm
i was very shocked when i heard about this incident…i mean its not really strange to hear about sexual harassments, as they’re becoming normal these days in Egypt. and i dont of course mean that its normal to reach this level of sickness, but lets face it, physical and verbal abuses occur in the egyptian street.. A LOTTT
but whats different this time is the fact that there were numerous police men standing there were the case took place, without taking any action!!!
oh my god, what the hell were they doing?
isn’t this there job..to protect the Egyptian citizen
anyway, letting beside the topic of government’s inefficiency, i just want to add something.. many people were surprised from not hearing about the case from the news whether in TV or newspaper and i just dont know what is surprising in that,what guys, do you expect a governmental paper to critcize the governement? of course not! so if anyone wants to know whats whats really happening in Egypt read opposing papers..!
anyway i just do not want to make it boring but i’m really sad from what Egypt is becoming to be