Monday, 20 Nov 2006
In Darfur. (h/t Drima )
I am sick to my stomach from reading it. WTF is wrong with people?
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November 20th, 2006 at 1:34 pm
What else would you expect when people are taught to hate and that killing kuffar is for Allah? The Roman Catholic leaders killed hundreds of millions of people who did not obey them. Anyone who thinks that they are killing for the sake of God is a fool. They are killing for Satan whether they are Roman Catholics or Muslims.
November 20th, 2006 at 2:24 pm
Richard, I think there you say something very true. To me, this obsession with killing, with death, this blood thirst, can only be satanic, it is opposed to all God stands for. Satan stands for destruction of all God created, out of sheer jealousy and he even persuades us to do it ourselves (i.e., to kill each other).
PS - 100s of millions of people - which era and countries you refer to?
November 20th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
What is wrong with them? They need killing, and we in the west are too soft in the stomach to do it.
November 20th, 2006 at 3:38 pm
Hmm oh yes Smarty, killing is the way to end killing.
November 20th, 2006 at 3:49 pm
chellebelle - actually, it is. Just ask the Germans and the Japanese.
Too much pointless and misguided sentimentalism is ruining the West. Our civilization is falling, and all we seem to be capable of doing is wringing our hands… when we should be wringing the necks of barbarians.
November 20th, 2006 at 3:49 pm
When will the world intervene and put an end to this genocidal rampage?
Are the lives of Sudanese black kids worth so little? Or is it that the Sudanese government is Islamist, and it’s okay for Islamist regimes to commit genocide in this sick world of 2006?
November 20th, 2006 at 3:58 pm
Zvi -
Probably never.
Yes.
And yes again.
A sick world indeed.
November 20th, 2006 at 4:00 pm
The Arabs have stated their goals. No black Africans in Darfur!! Why will the nations not stand up?? Why does my nation not stand up?????
November 20th, 2006 at 4:20 pm
Yolo - this is more complex than Arabs vs Blacks.
November 20th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
I read that article once and I don’t ever wana read it again.
BTW this conflict has nothing to do with religion. Both the killers and victims are Muslims. This conflict is about a sick and filthy power hungry government backing sicker racist tribes killing other rival oppressed tribes. The only way you’ll be able to truly understand it, is after understanding how tribalism works.
November 20th, 2006 at 4:33 pm
I doubt the figure of hundreds of millions, because when Catholics were doing the killing populations were much lower than they are now. I doubt if Mexico and Peru together had more than 20 million people at the time of the Spanish invasion.
Catholics might have killed millions, in total.
November 20th, 2006 at 4:49 pm
Yolo, you might want to check this out.
November 20th, 2006 at 5:29 pm
Well, that makes u sick because u r living a good life here in Egypt with your “nice” values and “make me feel smart” principals.
but let me tell you something, what’s the death of 100,000 people. Even with this brutality. isn’t mother nature as brutal, if not more? Hell, even the terror those kids saw before they died doesn’t matter know, THEY ARE DEAD.
What do i want to say? Dont act all disgusted and tortured to see that, because its not something that is significant in this world. and if u believe in the after world then they’re gonna go to heaven or whatever, so they’re supposedly happier. the point is Death should be viewed as a negative thing, even if it was as brutal as what the article describes.
November 20th, 2006 at 5:50 pm
Well if the UN would stop being an embassy for the Islamist agenda, stop focussing on condemning Israel at every session and start focussing on the true crimes against humanity …oh forget it. That will never happen.
The UN should be disbanded. It is doing more damage than if it never existed because countries aren’t moving to do anything while the UN is seen as the only body that has the authority to act.
November 20th, 2006 at 5:55 pm
Melanie, add the OIC and the Arab League to that.
November 20th, 2006 at 5:58 pm
Drima,
I think you have it exactly right. And, I also think that, until the people in the region recognize that each person has a right to life and liberty regardless of their tribe, the fighting will continue.
November 20th, 2006 at 6:08 pm
Valerie Says:”And, I also think that, until the people in the region recognize that each person has a right to life and liberty regardless of their tribe, the fighting will continue.”
I think you are getting a little ahead of yourself. Let’s try to get them into the 17th century before we try to get them into the 18th. So we should be aiming for a Treaty of Westphalia (ending the 30 Years War in 1648) before we work on the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights.
Set your clocks for 1454 folks - we’re dealing with the OIC!
November 20th, 2006 at 6:57 pm
I’m sorry, but am I hearing people respond to the beginning of Holocaust Part Deux by either saying they don’t care, or worse, that the victims somehow deserve it? Is it because they’re black? Muslim? I really don’t understand your reaction. If it’s some kind off gallows humor, the joke fell flat.
Except for you, Smarty. I haven’t been commenting here for long, but I’ve been reading the comments (including yours) for a while. Everything you write smacks of white supremacist, Christian Identity bullshit. 90% of what you write about is how Muslims of any race are violent animals bent on murder, while black men of any religion are violent animals bent on raping The Sacred White Woman. Yes, I’ve read your racist fantasies of roaming gangs of ‘wilding’ African-Americans.
I don’t know what country your from, but if you’re an American you are an utter embarrassment and shame to our nation. If you’re not American, keep your sick ass and venomous mouth out of my country. In other words, FUCK YOU.
(I really dig Sam’s blog, but if insulting another reader gets me banned, so be it. Smarty is an asshole with a putrid ideology)
November 20th, 2006 at 7:09 pm
Wow! If Khartoum keeps this up, they may just get a strongly worded email from the UN!
November 20th, 2006 at 7:10 pm
They need a real force in there not the ineffectual AU or the UN. They need somebody prepared to mercilessly mow down these thuggish horsemen from helicopter gunships. To chase and harry them across the countryside. To not give them a moment of peace. You won’t get that kind of hardcore response from the UN or the AU but that is what is required.
November 20th, 2006 at 7:12 pm
What is wrong with people killing children in the name of their god? Not much of a god if he demands killing, so you can get brownie points for heaven.
November 20th, 2006 at 10:53 pm
The irony is the USA felt the urge to liberate iraq from tyranny, and have sadam face justice for his crimes yet when a genocide is taking place real time neither they nor the geriatric UN lift a finger to help.
Its the same shit repeated again and again: bosnia or rwanada. The UN ‘peacekeepers’ doing nothing.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:14 pm
We are busy Dom, perhaps you should talk to the E.U. about dealing with this. They for the most part can’t or won’t deploy, but I would bet that private contractors could get the job done for the right price. Just don’t hire that company that took over an African country.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:57 pm
What the fuck are these people doing to their own people down there?
November 21st, 2006 at 12:45 am
Drima, thank you for your comments which help clarify the situation. It is a tragic situation. Tribalism is a formidable barrier and obstacle to reason and kindness. “Tribalism” in the sense that an individual so strongly identifies wit h a group that he or she is blind to truth, justice, and compassion. Very unfortunate and tragic.
November 21st, 2006 at 12:49 am
Yeah I was sick to my stomach reading it, but not as sick as when I saw those pictures of the decapitated Palistinan babies last week. That was something else.
November 21st, 2006 at 12:50 am
To Dom:
I agree. Our complete inaction in Rwanda is one of the darkest stains on the reputation of America. However, I’m not sure how we’re supposed to respond in Sudan. The reason Clinton didn’t do anything in Rwanda is because the generally cowardly American people went ballistic over 18 soldiers being killed in Somalia. Look at how we’ve reacted to Iraq; 2,800 fatalities in three years and the American people are ready to capitulate. I don’t see the People supporting a peacemaking mission in Africa. Plus, the international community would probably accuse us of being racist, imperialist scum. The best we can do is act where we can, i.e. Iraq, and hope others will help Sudan.
We’re damned if we do, damned if we don’t. I personally would support sending troops into Sudan, but it’s not going to happen.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:03 am
Kurt #18. I think that the problem is not so much racism but conditioning. The Lebanese muslims in Sydney gang raped girls because they were kuffar and said so which is why they got 50 years. Allah Akbar is equated with the last words you’ll ever hear in a restaraunt or a plane as some muslim fuckwit kills himself and others for his God..in other words for religious reasons. Now darfur is different, more like Rwanda from what I understand but is portrayed in a lot of media as muslim Arabs vs ethnic Sudanese (muslim or not) and that equates to more jihadist scum killing innocent people. Not far from reality perhaps but mainly just murderous butchers who are carrying out ethnic cleansing in any case. The UN is absolutely shit fucking useless because it is largely made up of countries who are against anything the west stands for and their forces are either inept or have ROEs that are so restrictive that no Western country wants anything to do with being part of them any more. I’m not an apologist for racisim but I don’t want our troops going in to save anyone if they are led under UN command, better they die than my mates and if you call me racist, sorry, unless it’s our way then its no way.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:14 am
Scooter:
I was responding to Smarty’s attitude in general. Besides his reprehensible comments here, he’s made *extremely* racist remarks about blacks elsewhere on this blog. A few weeks back he accused African-Americans (Christians, I might add) of being sex-crazed animals whom want nothing more in life than to violate the sanctity of Virtuous White Womanhood. He may also have been the one making dodgy comments about Asians when I first started reading Sam’s blog, but I can’t remember.
Basically, he’s coming off as a white supremacist and says things quite similar to Christian Identity propaganda. If you’re unfamiliar with Christian Identity, they’re an American hate-movement which combines fundamentalism with neo-nazism. It’s a bad scene.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:23 am
I agree. Our complete inaction in Rwanda is one of the darkest stains on the reputation of America.
Why is it a stain on America? Why not the UN who was at the scene of the crime? Why not the European Union? Why not the African Union?
What about the slaughter going on in the Congo that dwarfs Darfur in scope?
November 21st, 2006 at 1:26 am
Hmm oh yes Smarty, killing is the way to end killing.
Worked during World War II. After we killed the Nazis and defeated imperial Japan the killing machine stopped. Sometimes killing is the way to end killing.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:39 am
It’s a stain because America is a democratic superpower, and should be a superpower for freedom, dignity, and justice. However, I blame my fellow American citizens more than I blame the government, per se. We’ve become utter wimps, not to mention completely selfish. The basic attitude seems to be that people in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East aren’t worth our blood, effort, and money.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:41 am
Addendum: Don’t you remember Clinton’s weasley “acts of genocide” routine? See, if he acknowledged it was genocide, we would be obligated to intervene. Hence, it wasn’t genocide, it was “acts of genocide.” Surely you can see the moral perversion of that.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:01 am
OT.
It’s a stain because America is a democratic superpower, and should be a superpower for freedom, dignity, and justice.
Yeah, yeah. Blame America First. It isn’t the fault of the natives that they slaughter each other. No. It is America’s fault. Why look for the deeper pathologies when you can blame America? Why not hold the killers accountable when you can blame America. Help get us out of the UN first if you want us to take a proactive role in world affairs. We are damned if we do and damned if we don’t with that international body.
The basic attitude seems to be that people in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East aren’t worth our blood, effort, and money.
Clearly, they’ve been worth our effort in Iraq. Clearly. No one can dispute how well that fight is paying off.
We cannot solve all these countries’ problems. I would favor doing something about the janjaweed, but the conflict is Darfur is more complex than you might imagine it to be and extricating ourselves from it after we’ve went to town on the janjaweed may prove more difficult than you think.
Look at Kosovo. How are we supposed to get ourselves out of that mess? As soon as NATO packs up and leaves we know what will happen to the Kosovar Serbs. We’ve prevented one group from slaughtering another only to have the tables turned as soon as we walk away.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:18 am
Aaaaaaaaaah!
November 21st, 2006 at 2:30 am
Kurt #28. I will not try and disagree with your opinion of Smarty, I have no info so will leave your assessment well alone. Most of my rant was against #26 and the U.S. being called racist. Might I offer that we will all agree that this is starting to look like Afghanistan and Iraq, easy to get in there but bloody near impossible to leave without the place still descending into the pit. Will the U.S. again revert to an isolationist policy and hence its allies also ? It’s not racist to protect your own first and I don’t know if it is to have the view that if all the others want to kill one another…so be it. Personally I think that global warming has raised the temperature and the lowered the IQ of a lot of people in this world. ( shakes head and slowly walks away ).
November 21st, 2006 at 3:07 am
kurt:
“The basic attitude seems to be that people in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East aren’t worth our blood, effort, and money. ”
I agree. Its easy to ignore these problems and thus take some perverted moral high ground by dehumanising the perpatrators and victims in third- world-country-war-zones with notions of cultural and racial inferiority. A type of racism not uncommon on SM threads.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:51 am
Come on you guys. Quit thinking about useless things such as this or the rest of Africa’s forgotten wars:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/11/13/africa.conflicts/index.htm
Don’t you know there are ZIONISTS in Gaza right now trying to kill innocent militants?l
November 21st, 2006 at 4:02 am
Kill all the serbs, White Muslim Power.
November 21st, 2006 at 5:16 am
Kurt, did you just read “The Pentagons New Map”?
November 21st, 2006 at 5:48 am
I agree. Its easy to ignore these problems and thus take some perverted moral high ground by dehumanising the perpatrators and victims in third- world-country-war-zones with notions of cultural and racial inferiority. A type of racism not uncommon on SM threads.
Yes. Let us not dehumanize the janjaweed. That would be awful.
November 21st, 2006 at 6:00 am
Man FUCK the janjaweed
November 21st, 2006 at 6:26 am
What is “The Pentagon’s New Map?” Is it some kind of conspiracy theory? Because I don’t roll with that ‘9/11 was an inside job’ crap.
November 21st, 2006 at 6:41 am
If the UN is not allowed inside Darfur, why not pay the starving AU forces to do a better job? All they do is sitting and complaining.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:30 am
No it has nothing to do with a conspiracy. The guy who wrote it is a blowhard, but it is a good book. It is seriously worth reading.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:44 am
“why not pay the starving AU forces to do a better job?”
Exactly the point I’ve been trying to get across in my blog for ages!
November 21st, 2006 at 7:55 am
The AU already had a chance to do the job. There isn’t any reason to throw money at the U.N. to not get the job done if you can pay less,contract it and accomplish the objective. I don’t mean to sound like an imperialist, but that is the way to go in this situation.
November 21st, 2006 at 9:33 am
“why not pay the starving AU forces to do a better job?”
Yeah sure. Nice idea. But whos going to benefit?…why should the US throw money away (rich though they are)?. Lets face it there is no oil in darfur, thus no reason to give a shit. And the UN are a bunch of softies who get paid to do nothing anyway…pathetic cowards who are still sobbing about the job they botched in bosnia.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:47 am
Dom,
If you had trillions of dollars in outstanding debt and huge expenses would you consider yourself rich?
November 21st, 2006 at 12:23 pm
“PS - 100s of millions of people - which era and countries you refer to?”
The pope declared that the people were not to posses or read Bibles and any family caught with a Bible was murdered. This started in Italy where tens of thousands were killed, some by very grotesque methods. It was expanded to most of Europe and entire regions were wiped out. The Roman Catholic church has a very long history of killing for God’s sake and have done so on almost every continent, often with the use of government forces, particularly those of Portugal and Spain.
The pope instigated the Crusades. Although they were a response to the Muslims slaughtering Christians, the crusaders also killed a lot of Jews. The main point I am trying to make is that some religions have killed innocent people in the name of God and that is bullshit. It is not the Creator who wants to destroy mankind - it is Lucifer and it is men that have bastardized a belief in God to further their own goals.
Show me a person preaching God and living in luxury and/or acquiring power and I will show you someone who cares little about God’s word. When I see pictures of Muslims who are teaching hate and killing, 90% of them look very well fed while the men that they are preaching too are often skinny.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:09 pm
“Wow! If Khartoum keeps this up, they may just get a strongly worded email from the UN!”
But… but… but… we are already condemning Israel as much as we can!
(The UN need a second strategy to deal with conflicts!)
November 21st, 2006 at 2:39 pm
“Show me a person preaching God and living in luxury and/or acquiring power and I will show you someone who cares little about God’s word. When I see pictures of Muslims who are teaching hate and killing, 90% of them look very well fed while the men that they are preaching too are often skinny. ”
I’m an atheist, but, amen brother. That’s it in a nutshell.
November 21st, 2006 at 5:16 pm
“Anyone who thinks that they are killing for the sake of God is a fool. They are killing for Satan whether they are Roman Catholics or Muslims.”
circular logic bad. very bad.
November 21st, 2006 at 9:09 pm
Dom, there is oil in Sudan. If the U.S. takes any action you can be sure that people will claim it is all about oil and zionist-neo-cons.
November 21st, 2006 at 9:58 pm
Kent is just trying to tar me with an easy brush. The fact is, muslims nuts, and pretty much anyone who jumps up and down in the streets holding pictures of any sort of leader, need to be machine gunned down for the sake of humanity.
I don’t care what color, but it just happens that other than European soccer hooligans, most of the world’s worthless assholes are brown or black skinned, and the worst of them worship Allah. And if it wasn’t for pussy european socialist politicians making self defence impossible, that wouldn’t be a problem. Maybe the problem is just that liberals need to be killed off.
We cannot go into africa to save them, because if you kill a black to save a black, the liberal media will ignore the victim, and focus on the US killing blacks. Maybe a democrat president could get away with it, but liberals are so nutless that they would just pull a Clinton.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:04 pm
Mike:
“If the U.S. takes any action you can be sure that people will claim it is all about oil and zionist-neo-cons.”
Good point. But this would be a great oppourtunity to prove the cynics wrong.
Lynne:
“If you had trillions of dollars in outstanding debt and huge expenses would you consider yourself rich?”
No. In a way I think too many people these days rely on the US to bail them out. It all comes down to politics in the end but it would be nice to see other countries pulling their weight. To be honest i think philanthropists are our only hope in getting aything done for unselfish reasons. I mean if Bono and Bill Gates teamed up in darfur, hired a band of mercenaries, you know maybe we could get somewhere.
June 17th, 2007 at 10:44 am
Ugh! America never should have gone to Iraq. Nor should it goto Darfur. I AM SICK AND TIRED of American forces going around the world, fighting for other people’s freedoms, while we get stuck with the bill here at home, and the rest of the world just throws insults at us…
Personally, every war America has been in except the Revolutionary War, was totally pointless.
NO MORE WARS For the UN!
The Invasion of Iraq was a UN LAW ENFORCEMENT ACT! Bush invaded Iraq, because Sadam wouldn’t listen to the UN. Well, FUCK the UN!
I Hate the UN. I hate the global Bankster bastards (Rockefellers, JP Morgan, ect), who are using the UN and their influence on American “leaders”, to push for a Global-Socialist-Totalitarian super-state.
Look, they are building the New World Order from the ground up. European Union. African Union. and soon, the North American Union. Gather the nations into major regions, then into a global government…… Thats their plan, unfortunately. And they dont care how many Americans have to die to make sure it happens.
Fuck the EU, Fuck the AU, Fuck the NAU, Fuck the UN. Fuck Globalism, Fuck Socialism! Fuck the people who would sacrifice Liberty for the promise of “peace”.