On Egyptian Justice

Remember the video I've shown of the Guy getting analy abused in an egyptian police station? Well, he filed charges against the police, and the great egyptian justice system has found him..yes, him, the victim…guilty of obstruction of Justice.

Words fail me.

Hosam has more on this. 

Comments

  1. Well, at least it seems the police officers are facing a separate trial for what they have done… Some good might come out of it yet.

  2. The cops didn’t get bail either.

  3. Thank Odin that I am not living in Egypt.
    What is wrong with your people in charge?

  4. I am bit confused.

    I do not know whether police officers will finally be punished, I hope they will be and severely but…

    Was Mr. Imad al-Kabir wrongly sentenced for “resisting and obstructing the authorities and assaulting a policeman” or not?

    Should judge join those police officers?

  5. How can the judge find him guilty of anything when no charges were filed? Judges can just order someone to jail without a trial of any kind?

  6. SoCalJustice says:

    Cairo, in many ways, seems an awful lot like Chicago in the 20′s.

    So sad.

  7. Hey, kinda reminds me of the woman who got gang raped in the UAE and an initial sentence was determined for the men but once it was found out she was a prostitute, their sentence was shortened and she was also given a sentnce. I may be wrong, but I think her sentence ended up being longer than theirs…

  8. Unbelievable, obstructing a stick from being shoved in your ass is a crime in Egypt? I’m pretty sure tourism will suffer in Egypt because of this behavior! Where in the world would this be tolerated except in the despotic led dictatorships in the middle east? Internal toppling of the government anyone? Jeesh, those hippies in San Francisco during the sixties thought they had it bad.

  9. So fucked up …

  10. Umm, when will it be time to grab your guns and start the revolution? How far can muslims be pushed by brutal governments before they are willing to kill and die to overthrow them? Are nutjob radicals the only ones with the guts to do it?

  11. I think there is some confusion here.

    Kabir’s lawyer has said his client was tortured by police officers in January 2006 in a station in the west Cairo suburb of Bulaq al-Dakrur after he tried to intervene in a dispute between the police and his brother.

    Intervening in a “dispute” between police and somebody they have detained is called “resisting and delaying an officer” in the United States, and it’s a felony. I know this because I was once arrested on this charge when I “intervened” on behalf of a friend of mine when police were entertaining themselves with a taser gun. In my case they also charged me with assaulting a officer. All charges were dropped, but only because I was active duty USMC at the time and they didn’t want the headache of prosecuting me.

    Kabir was convicted and sent to prison for three months at hard labor for resisting and obstructing the authorities and assaulting a policeman.

    Which may have been a just sentence. The issue of him being abused in police custody (which he clearly was) is a seperate and unrelated case. If THAT case is not resolved properly, then there will be something to complain about. But from my reading of the article, I don’t see any miscarriage of justice here unless he was arrested on false charges in teh first place.

  12. They put the Misr in Miserable!
    This is how it works:
    The stick is Justice and we all saw in the video that he was obstucting the justice up his A$$.

    UGH!

  13. Your missing something there Craig. “a man in plainclothes was hitting his cousin in the street”. Here, the officer would have to first identify him/herself as such before, if you continued to intervene, you could be charged.

  14. Egyptian justice? From what I hear from you of Egypt, that concept is a fuzzy wuzzy memory, only in the minds of people who… lived when there was such a thing.

  15. Jason,

    Your missing something there Craig.

    I’m missing a lot of things, and so are you, because we don’t know anything about the case other than what was written in that paper.

    “a man in plainclothes was hitting his cousin in the street”. Here, the officer would have to first identify him/herself as such before

    We don’t know that the policeman/policemen didn’t identify themselves, Jason. I’m assuming that the police didn’t just run up and start wailing on somebody for no reason, and I’m also assuming that Kabir knew they were police when they accosted his brother, for whatever reason they accosted him.

    if you continued to intervene, you could be charged.

    You would absolutely be charged, in the US. No doubt about that. Furthermore, you would be convicted. The only “legal” reason for interfering with a police officer is if they are behaving unlawfully themselves. Beating somebody on the street without cause would be unlawful police conduct, in America. And that would be the defense, in court.

  16. Well of course we only know what we read in that write up but I was infering that you missed something from the writeup itself.
    Why would you assume he knew a man in street clothes was an officer? Do the plainsclothes Egyptian police stickout as much as the undercover police vehicles do hear :P Do no others in Egypt, other than the police, commit any kind of violence? Big assumption there.

  17. I think my assumption is safer than yours, Jason. Why do you assume they DIDN’T identify themselves as police?

  18. Why would you think a force that routinely gets caught torturing individuals, denying mob sex attacks, etc would be procedural about this? How is that a safer assumption? What basis do you have that the officers there operate on any standard comparable with the ones here?

  19. Jason, it’s just common sense. Why WOULDN’T they identify themselves as police officers? What do they lose by exposing their status as Police? They made at least one arrest, so it’s not like people wouldn’t KNOW, eh?

  20. Well, this is the Egyptian policy from along time ago, “Kick the weak’s ass so the powerful would hide in the cave.” It is the own way to make people keep carrying the crown on their heads until they lose their lives.

  21. Its common sense that a man attacking another man would announce to all and sundry, over and over, who he is?

  22. In other words, if he wanted to announce it like that he’d have worn his uniform no?

  23. Jason, what the hell is your problem? You’re all over the place with your assumptions about what “really” happened, and you don’t make any fucking sense. Rant on, but you aren’t doing anybody any favors by making a lot of illogical and unsupported assumptions about an arrest you don’t know anything about.

  24. Touchy are we? How the hell is my assumption that they didn’t identify themselves while accosting someone any more or less correct than your assumption that they did? Seems to me your the one ranting.
    Let me point out what I pointed out before that you seem to have misread or interpreted diferently then I did.
    “a man in plainclothes was hitting his cousin in the street”

  25. How the hell is my assumption that they didn’t identify themselves while accosting someone

    On what basis do you make that assumption? Is that normal police behavior?

    No. It isn’t. Not even in Egypt, I’m sure. I’m not belaboring this any further, Jason. The case has already been adjudicated, and frankly I don’t know why we are discussing it. This is unrelated to the abuse he received AFTER he was arrested. That’s another issue.

  26. historian says:

    hey SM, what do you know about this:

    http://www.meforum.org/article/1629

    says 97 percent rate in Egypt

  27. Bah! Quiter! “On what basis do you make that assumption? Is that normal police behavior?” Could ask the same q of u :P