Introducing: The Burqini

The Burqini, ladies and gentlemen!

 

Is it just me, or does this look like something out of Star Wars?

"Princess Fatma, from the Planet of the Muslims"

or something… 

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  1. Methinks
    January 13, 2007 at 1:18 am

    Well, what do you expect when THIS is what passes for “science” in Egypt.

    A question for Egyptians: how many Egyptians think that there are vast numbers of people living in the North and South Poles who want to get to Mecca but can’t because of the earth’s magnatism?

    Maybe we should ask Princess Fatma.

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  2. Chip
    January 13, 2007 at 1:20 am

    Not a big deal. I’m still back at raping “uncovered meat,” a big deal.

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  3. James M
    January 13, 2007 at 1:46 am

    Has that lascivious whore no idea of the effect that those skimpy sandals have on foot fetishists? She is practically forcing them to sully themselves with her body!

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  4. Tallulahdahling
    January 13, 2007 at 2:12 am

    THAT is what female Muslim lifeguards are supposed to wear while saving people? Just wait until that loose-fitting tunic and baggy pants get water-logged. What fun.

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  5. Eric
    January 13, 2007 at 2:20 am

    I know that I’ve seen that costume before. Doesn’t she get fired out of a circus cannon now?

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  6. Wishhone
    January 13, 2007 at 2:20 am

    #4 Tallulahdahling

    Yes. was sort of wondering that myself. Must be a bugger to actually swim in. She isn’t going to break any speed records wearing that.

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  7. Tallulahdahling
    January 13, 2007 at 2:25 am

    Hey, Methinks!

    That MEMRI item you posted is hilarious.

    Do you suppose Abd Al-Baset Al-Sayyid has seen a picture of the flightless birdie residents of Antarctica, and mistook them for burka-clad ladies? ‘Cause penguins are the only multitudes I know of down there.

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  8. Scott
    January 13, 2007 at 2:59 am

    You Muslims realize of course that there is no possibility of reforming Islam. Its just not fixable. You either toss it or put on the burqa and start teaching you kids to kill for Allah. We Christians have been able to make our religion stand for just about anything we feel like. You just don’t have those sorts of options. OUR extremist fundamentalists are kept in the closet and on the fringe of society where they belong. YOURS hold the power of life and death over you. You need to kill them. Or resign yourselves to your slavery.

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  9. Joe
    January 13, 2007 at 3:14 am

    Great comment. Got a kick out your sense of humor. Could use a few OT editorials in the comment section though. Scott–We christians don’t make our religion stand for anything we want it to. It has to be consistent with the bible and Christ’s teachings to be considered “Christian.” The key is that Christ said “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” He separated the political from the spiritual, as did the U.S.’s founding fathers.

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  10. The Usual Suspect
    January 13, 2007 at 3:30 am

    So what? So what if a woman wants to wear this to go swimming? What’s the big deal. These swimsuits are popular in Egypt and have been for a very long time- (ofcourse SM doesn’t know because he would never get his hands dirty by mixing with the ‘common people’). At least they offer an opportunity for women who choose to wear hijab to participate in an activity rather than sitting at home in the dark. What is it to you all if a chick wants to wear this and not a bikini? Isn’t still a matter of choice- bikini or burqini or tankini or whatever? Or is choice only something you reserve for some and not for others.

    Why do you call it “silly” SM-does it offend your precious little sensibilities? Sometimes SM you really do piss me off. You with your Egyptian elitist views and high and mightiness that you think you can sit there with your scotch in hand and laugh at the ridiculous little masses as if they are not as smart, educated or priviliged as you. Did you have fun laughing at your people SM, because YOU had the privilege of going to the mighty US to study whateva and they didn’t. Are you better than them because of that- do you now have the absolute right to sit there smugly and laugh at their small mindedness?

    You remind me so much of some of the rich little bastards I went to Uni with in Egypt who would snigger at the shaab and call them “dirty people”.

    As for the Burqini- it is not far off some of the Cancer Council’s swimsuits designed to prevent skin cancer from exposure to UV rays. The way the climate is going, all of us will be wearing head to toe swimsuits to protect ourselves from the hole in the Ozone.

    And just in case you are thinking about it- I like to wear a tankini- my Mum, sister, neices, cousins and aunts all wear hijab and they all own a burqini!!!

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  11. Scott
    January 13, 2007 at 3:40 am

    Hey usual,

    So you gonna raise your little Mohammeds to be suicide bombers as well? You poor brainwashed slave.

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  12. Scott
    January 13, 2007 at 3:54 am

    Sorry Joe. Hasn’t anybody told you? This is the post-christian age. Christianity is a dead religion. 90% of those who THINK they are Chrisitans today have NO IDEA what the true doctrines of Christ are. Not a clue. How many so called christians today actually believe in the fairytale called the Rapture. NOTHING …. absolutely nothing about it ANYWHERE in the Bible but its ‘gospel’ to the whole Evangelical world. Try telling them it’s the Resurrection/Redemtion …. not some early Third Coming ‘rapture’. And heaven …. please tell me where in the Bible it says we go to heaven as our eternal home …. especially when Christ tells us that “the meek shall inherit the earth.” Not to mention all the cults today that call themseves ‘christian’ and are anything but. We have indeed made christianity into anything we wanted it to be and we shall continue to do so. This is of course why The Lord of Glory will allow the Muslims to overrun us and slaughter us like the wayward sheep we are. “Shall the Son of Man find Faith upon the earth when he returns?”

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  13. ella
    January 13, 2007 at 3:57 am

    Usual Suspect

    But this “creation” is hilarious. It reminds me of the swimming suits the ladies in victorian england had to wear at the beach.
    As for the girl who had a choice and choose to wear that stuff, I would say, she either can not think or is quite fat.

    BTW what about wearing one-piece swimsuit with a swimming cup?

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  14. Jason
    January 13, 2007 at 3:57 am

    “The way the climate is going, all of us will be wearing head to toe swimsuits to protect ourselves from the hole in the Ozone.”

    Get with the times. That’s been ‘fixed’ for a long time now. :P Global warming is different.

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  15. Karen
    January 13, 2007 at 4:46 am

    So if a woman is so religious that she needs to wear this, where is she going to swim? Is she allowed to swim at the beach or pool with men? Or is this an outfit she needs to wear for “muslim girls and women swim time only?” If she is only with other females, why would she need to wear this? I was at my local Jewish Community Centre when girls attending a religious camp had the pool reserved for them. They were all huddled in the showers waiting until the pool was cleared of males. They were however wearing “normal” swimsuits. There were no men there so no need to be modest I guess.

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  16. Karen
    January 13, 2007 at 6:20 am

    Also, her hands and face are showing (and feet). Do they have a version for women who think that this might expose too much “meat” (skin)?

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  17. Mark
    January 13, 2007 at 6:28 am

    Yeah I don’t think this swimsuit is such a big deal. It is no different than when a fat guy wears a t-shirt in the pool to cover up his man boobs. Although it would be funny if there was a message written on the front that says, “Only God and my husband knows what goes on here.” and then there could be arrows pointing to her boobs and crotch.

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  18. Tallulahdahling
    January 13, 2007 at 6:35 am

    Hey, Usual Suspect! In reference to this bit of your post above, @ #10:

    “So what? So what if a woman wants to wear this to go swimming? What’s the big deal. These swimsuits are popular in Egypt and have been for a very long time- (ofcourse SM doesn’t know because he would never get his hands dirty by mixing with the ‘common people’). At least they offer an opportunity for women who choose to wear hijab to participate in an activity rather than sitting at home in the dark. What is it to you all if a chick wants to wear this and not a bikini? Isn’t still a matter of choice- bikini or burqini or tankini or whatever? Or is choice only something you reserve for some and not for others.”

    I don’t think SandMonkey, or anyone else, is suggesting that a woman should not be given the choice to wear a burqini, if that’s her preference. Recognizing a person’s right to his or her choices is one issue, quite separate from the right to criticize or lampoon people for the choices they make. Criticism does not remove anyone’s freedom to choose. Criticism may sting, especially when ridicule is the method, but if you believe your choice is right and the criticism is wrong, then not even the most vicious ridicule can stop you from exercising your choice.

    Everyone here has the right to express their opinion, including the opinion that something or other is ridiculous and to poke fun at it. And *you* have the right to tell them off.

    But it simply isn’t accurate to imply that our criticizing the burqini means we think women should be denied the choice to wear it.

    Now, the right to criticize does not include the right to invade someone’s space and to harass them. If , say, a Muslim woman here in Australia wore a burqini to the beach, and a couple of Aussie guys started teasing her and following her around making wise-cracks, they would be doing worse than criticizing, they would be invading her privacy, imposing their attentions on her, unwanted, and probably making her feel physically threatened. At the very least, it would mar her good time at the beach, and make her less eager to go back to the beach again. Harassing behavior is not okay. But that’s a different issue from making fun of a burqini at a safe distance, in an opinion forum like this one.

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  19. The Usual Suspect
    January 13, 2007 at 7:45 am

    Scott
    Just because I support a woman’s right to wear what she wants, doesn’t mean I’m raising jihadis you fool! As for being a brainswashed slave as you put it- I’m not even going to answer that.

    Ella
    It may look hilarious to you but I’ve seen some pretty fat hoochies in bikinis with lard hanging over their crotch and thighs so dimpled they look like cauliflower. Also an hilarious look! But that doesn’t mean I would stop them from wearing it if they want to and I certainly wouldn’t post a pic of a fat woman in a bikini and make fun of what she is wearing then invite a whole range of people to also poke fun at the bikini.

    Karen
    Same situation you describe would be for Muslim women. Ofcourse they would put on a swimsuit and go for a dip if no men were around. But with this they can swim anytime and anywhere. Isn’t that a good thing? I think so.

    Talluhadarling
    I agree with you regarding the matter of choice. And yes, criticism can be very hurtful but it takes a strong person not to be effected by humiliation and ridicule in any way at all.

    When my sis-in- law started wearing hijab, I would take her kids for a swim as she didn’t feel that she could go swimming. So now she and her friends have this swimsuit. The first time they wore it out they were really anxious about it. They were nervous and scared. But a lot of women came up to them and told them how nice it was and how good it was that they had something to swim in. Typical Aussies are like that- we are a good bunch really.

    What irks me about SM is that he is a hypocrite. On one hand he supports women to wear what they want, he attends protests against sexual harrassment of women in Egypt, he writes posts saying that he has realised that some of his comments have invited comments from people who only wish to denigrate Islam. On the other hand, he posts this, makes a stupid comment about it and pokes fun of something that he knows nothing about.

    I don’t believe in hijab, niqab or any other forms of covering for Muslim women. I cannot defend the reasons why women wear it because I do not agree with those reasons. However, I can and do support their right to wear what they want as long as they don’t shove it down my throat and don’t take the moral highground with me. And I can offer sympathy and understanding for some women who, even though they find it constricts some areas of their life, choose to wear it anyway. If the burqini offers them an opportunity to do something they would otherwise not have done- why make fun of it? Why not welcome it as a positive thing instead of stupid comments like SMs?

    While this might be “a safe distance” as you suggest, some of the comments posted here suggest that perhaps there are people out there who would openly tease and harrass a woman wearing a burqini. And I believe that had SM been there when my sis and her friend ventured to the swimming pool in their burqinis, he would have sat there sniggering at them, while other, decent folk, offered a polite and welcoming smile.

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  20. E.
    January 13, 2007 at 7:45 am

    @Methinks: Thanks for the link! As I cannot go to Mecca: Do you think circulating to the right in my living room will increase my energy level, too? If so: would half an hour a day be enough?
    Dr. Abd Al-Baset Al-Sayyed is an excellent satirist, isn’t he.

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  21. sara
    January 13, 2007 at 8:00 am

    you seem to enjoy promoting the abuse and degradation of Muslim women who for some reason offends u. How about u get a life,u obviously get a kick out of spouting such bigoted bile looking back at your archive or abuse. Thats pretty sad!

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  22. Adam B.
    January 13, 2007 at 9:27 am

    19. The Usual Suspect:

    “What irks me about SM is that he is a hypocrite. On one hand he supports women to wear what they want, he attends protests against sexual harrassment of women in Egypt, he writes posts saying that he has realised that some of his comments have invited comments from people who only wish to denigrate Islam. On the other hand, he posts this, makes a stupid comment about it and pokes fun of something that he knows nothing about.”

    Making fun of the burqini in no way contradicts supporting women in their free choice of garment – the problem with the burqini is that very few women, given a choice by their family and society, would think of wearing something so cumbersome and uncomfortable. And no, wearing something like this is not comfortable (I’ve done fully clothed swimming tests in pools)… In fact neither is the traditional garb of the muslim/arab women; and yes, I’ve tried this for half an hour during a summer day in Saudi – not a pleasant experience!

    As with many things connected to Islam, it’s not a matter of choice but rather one of preassure from one’s surroundings. Islam needs a haul-over.

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  23. Hard To Swallow
    January 13, 2007 at 11:38 am

    .
    absurd thought -
    God of the Universe cares
    what women wear…

    give Muslim men tent in pants
    must learn to control themselves
    .

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  24. Pharaoh
    January 13, 2007 at 12:07 pm

    The usual suspect:
    people are using the personal freedoms to impose their thinking like you do,You want the freedom for the woman to wear what she wants,ok fine,,but does that happens in Egypt?can a woman wear a bikini in a public beach?sure no.people here and Muslims in general don’t believe in personal freedom you only think about freedom when it comes to women persecution that you do.In most Arab and Islamic countries women are not allowed to wear what they want,so if you are talking about freedom and choices you better regard your countries first before you talk about freedom in other places.

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  25. imli
    January 13, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    It is a silly design as once the lady is in the water, everything will ride up, entangle and expose her. If it was a closed catsuit like divers wear, then it would make sense, but that thing is a deathtrap. Lets hope no-one dies trying to rescue one of those muppets.

    Besides that if the deity would care that much about women being never nekkid, he’d have given them fur.

    (And, note that there is fur, but for some strange reason certain believers insist on painfully plucking it out, whilst making out to be modest people… :-)

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  26. Seneca
    January 13, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    A question :
    Given the choice, would the australian muslims vote “yes” to a law which says that women are free to wear what they want (bikini or burqini) ….or, given the choice, they would say “no” and vote “yes” for a law which would punish those who wear bikini and allow only burqini, since bikini is “not-modest”, unislamic, etc. ?

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  27. LittleTinSoldier
    January 13, 2007 at 5:06 pm

    I am sorry, but if burqa is woman in garbage bag…

    this one seems to me like woman in a condom….

    and by the way, to people who think that men rape women who dressed “unmodestely”

    I was once at nudist beach, and I havent raped nobody… there goes your glorious scientific teory about “uncovered meat”…

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  28. Scott
    January 13, 2007 at 6:23 pm

    So … brainwashed slave (ususal suspect),
    You’re such a good muslim you support puting women in head to toe tents (and probably all the rest of the stupid things muslims do) but you would never never raise your little boys to kill for Allah. Right. Well some percentage of your offspring will get wind of the jihadi insanity … turn around and tell you to your face one day that YOU are not a good muslim. YOU are a weak link …. a pawn of the West … etc etc etc. They will put on the suicide belt or join a cell off on some ridiculous mission of murder and THEY will be honored by all the jihadis. Because jihadis are REAL muslims. You’re just a wannabee. Every year the jihadis will gain more and more converts. Soon there will be no weak muslims like you. Then there will be Total War on this planet and hundreds of millions if not billions will die.

    Because muslims like you believe in a god that loves murder and slavery. The God of Moses did not transform himself into Allah. Face it …. You have a new god. A god that makes murderers and slaves out of human beings. Wake up you moron.

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  29. tommy
    January 13, 2007 at 6:48 pm

    I have my own beefs with Islam but please ignore the troll, Scott.

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  30. Rev Jim
    January 13, 2007 at 7:01 pm

    Politically correct swimwear, Muslim style. If a woman believes that she should cover, I suppose this should be okay, but why bother going to the beach in the first place if you don’t want to be seen?
    Scott is a good Christian–he believes whole-heartedly in the Bible, which means that he can have sex with his mother or sisters, and if he has children he can stone them to death for disobeying him, or otherwise not honoring him.

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  31. Craig
    January 13, 2007 at 7:20 pm

    Scott, please stop being so annoying. Thanks.

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  32. Seneca
    January 13, 2007 at 7:32 pm

    >Then there will be Total War on this planet and hundreds of millions if not billions will die.>

    That is what Ahmadinejad believes too : Imam Ali is coming to town as soon as as Israel is made radioactive glass.

    It would be nice if we could get the hard core Christians and the jihadi Muslims
    together– in Greenland, by boat– and let them there to fight such total war and wipe out eachother. Then it will be peace.

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  33. Dave
    January 13, 2007 at 8:06 pm

    Well put Usual Suspect well put.

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  34. ella
    January 13, 2007 at 8:20 pm

    I’ve seen some pretty fat hoochies in bikinis with lard hanging over their crotch and thighs so dimpled they look like cauliflower. Also an hilarious look!
    And I agree, it is pathetic and it may be that jokes will make some of them stop wear bikini.
    But that doesn’t mean I would stop them from wearing it if they want to
    Quite true, I did wrote “if they had a choice” . But it seems that some muslim ladies do not have a choice.
    But with this they can swim anytime and anywhere.
    No they can not. They, for example, can not swim with a men at the same pool in KSA or Iran.

    Usual Subject

    I am sorry to say, you are brainwashed. You explain that wearing of hijab or burka is the muslim women free decision. It is the same free decision women in KSA are making when they do not drive a car. They explain that they do not want to drive a car, their men can do it much better. But in reality it is an excuse for why they can not drive a car. They can not drive it so they convinced themselves they do not want to do that. It is the same with hijab and niqqab.
    The pressure from family, imams, MB, to wear the “muslim” garb, to “conform”, to show community and unbelievers that one is “religious” is so great that it seems some women say ……”we/they are making free choice” In reality they have to wear it so they convinced themselves they want to wear it.

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  35. The Usual Suspect
    January 14, 2007 at 2:11 am

    OK let me state my position unequivokally for once and for all:
    1. I do not believe in hijab. I am a Modernist and believe that the Koran shoudl be interpreted in its historical context, religion is a matter between an individual and God, Allah, Yehuda, The Supreme Being- whatever it is you worship.
    2. I believe that Islam needs a reform, that Muslims need to be self critical and fix our religion from within.
    3. I agree wholeheartedly that there are fuckwits who have used Islam to commit indescribible horrors and undefendable crimes against humanity.
    4. It hurts me that something that is supposed to be beautiful and spiritual has been turned into something ugly and I will do whatever I can to stop that
    4. I agree wholeheartedly that there are women who are forced into wearing hijab and niqab whether by their Imams, social pressures, crazy husbands, or even more crazy women’s network
    5. I agree wholeheartedly that there are women who wear it and think that they are better than those who don’t and think that those who don’t wear it are all painted whores
    6. I agree wholeheartedly that there are some women who CHOOSE to wear hijab because, in their interpretation of the Koran, they believe they should.
    7. I agree with supporting a woman’s choice- Why? Because if I want others to respect my choice not to wear hijab, to wear a tankini or shorts, or sexy lingerie, or a ball gown or a hessian sack- I must also extend the same respect to others- it’s not a one way street.
    8. I agree that there are people who do not support my choice- who think I am a Kafir (they’ve already told me to my face anyway), who think that I am not a good Muslim- I don’t give a shit. Just because they do that to me, I will not stoop to their level.

    In light of all of the above- I believe that the burqini offers a choice for some women who would otherwise not have had an opportunity to go swimming in a public place- and I believe that should be encouraged, not ridiculed.

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  36. The Usual Suspect
    January 14, 2007 at 2:12 am

    Oh- and Scott
    stop being so melodramatic- did you not get your fix of The Bold and Beautiful today or something?

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  37. Karen
    January 14, 2007 at 4:35 am

    Usual Suspect,

    Yes, inclusivity is a good thing.

    But women covering from head to toe on a hot day, whether at the beach or at the park, is not fair. When I see a muslim woman completely covered in black except for a “screen” where her eyes are and I see her husband in a short sleeve shirt…well, I think that is wrong. But I am not going to make it my issue. It is a problem that muslim women will have to deal with if they want to.

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  38. abla
    January 14, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    I’m curious about something: with women being covered all the time, are they getting a sufficient amount of vitamin D? After all, exposure to the sun is the easiest way to get it.

    So, how are women doing over there? Are they more likely to suffer fractures due to inadequate calcium absorption?

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  39. Dr. Who
    January 14, 2007 at 3:53 pm

    I agree, Karen (38). Men and women are both sexual creatures – women have cravings and lusts the same as men. If women must be covered, men should be too. I’ve often admired a man’s body on the beach (I’m female)! Also, what does it say for the weakness of a Muslim man if he cannot control himself to the extent that women are forced to be covered? Just some thoughts.

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  40. chellebelle_mn
    January 14, 2007 at 4:31 pm

    I am sory, this looks so uncomfortable to have in the water. And imagin sitin on a hot beach in that think. Sitting in a big piece of Black Lycra in the hot sun? Not fun at all. Going in the water would offer no relife, because you are wearing a big piece of black lycra!!! Its down right cool.

    I think the true goal of islam is to eliminate ANY possiblity of joy from a womans life. Good God this is awful!!!!

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  41. Mark G
    January 14, 2007 at 11:00 pm

    Usual Suspect –

    I think you’re right, but just overly pissed off about it. Yeah, there’s an element of elitism in the Sandmonkey’s rantings. And yeah, it should absolutely be a woman’s right to choose what she wants to wear, whether that’s a bikini or a burquini (personally, for the record, my preference is that all women should wear bikinis, except my wife, mother and sister).

    But it’s also OK for the Sandmonkey to poke fun at something that is, frankly, a little silly. At the end of the day, he offers a perspective that you don’t often get from Egyptians, even elite ones. I hope people put him in context and realize that there are many other articulate Egyptians who disagree with him about more or less everything. But as long as people get that (and I think most do), then what’s the harm of him offering his own particular take on this? Certainly, elites are entitled to their opinions too.

    I don’t know the guy, but I bet Sandmonkey is largeminded enough that when he takes a day trip down to the lakes in Fayoum or up to Alex or whatever, and he shares a beach with these common people you’re talking about, he probably doesn’t snicker or stare at the girls who wear a burquini into the water.

    Anyway, all I’m saying is emotions are too overcharged on this subject. It’s good to be respectful of people and their choices, including the choice to wear or not wear higab in the water, but it’s also good to be goodnatured when someone pokes a little fun at something. Big deal, knawmsayin?

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  42. The Sandmonkey
    January 15, 2007 at 12:36 am

    The Usual suspect,

    Normally I try to stay away from the comments section, since I try not to raise my blood pressure higher than it already is. However, given that I do like your blog, I figured that maybe I should respond to you, and clear some things for you once and for all. Ok?

    So according to you I am an elitist hypocrite. The elitist charge comes from you assuming that I am one of the rich kids you knew in college who likes to make fun of the common egyptian folk. Hmm..projecting much are we? So anyone who makes fun of the Hijab or the Niqab, or the freakin Burqini, is now an elitist upper class egyptian? Man, I should introduce you to some of my friends, males and females, from almost every social class there is in Egypt, who share the same opinion as me that this thing is redicilous. I should inform them that they are elitist upper class cairens as well. It might come as a shock to them, given that some come from other governrates than cairo and have families who are ansar el sunnah and tbaleegh and da3wah, but will let them know anyway. They should love this.

    As for the Hypocrisy charge.. hmm..why is that again? Oh yes, I seem to support women getting dressed in anything and I do organize demonstrations about sexual harassment in egypt, so I shouldn;t be making fun of the Hijabis or Niqabis of the world. Ehh, no. Don’t agree with you there, sorry. Hell, it’s because of the first 2 reasons that I am so against the Hijab and all of bastard children, like this thing, that makes the woman look like a black Sperm. Let me explain..

    You see darling, some people are against the Hijab because there is nothing in the Koran that support it, while some are against it because they view it as some anti-women wahabbi mindfuck that aims to subjegate women and make them feel inferior and guilty all the time. Both good reasons, but both are not really mine. I am against the Hijab for a very specific reason: What wearing it is suppsoed to imply about me, an average hetrosexual male living in a muslim country.

    Think about it for a minute, what is the diea of the veil. Well, that women are lust objects, and that men are no better than dogs who have no self control or exercise any personal responsibilty when confronted with lust, so it is the duty of the woman to cover herself up in order to prevent the man from getting turned on and then raping the first woman he sees or some shit. Cause that’s the idea, isn’t it? That women should cover up so that men aren;t enticed to “sin”? How do you think that makes me feel as a man, especially that the majority of women who wear this thing are so ugly and out of shape that I wouldn;t even fuck for practice? You don;t think it’s degrading to me at all, to see this thing in front of me everyday, like a big neon sign that says “You man wouldn’t be able to control yourself if you saw my naked arm, since it’s so sexy to you and I think you have the sexual self control of a poodle, so I am doing this for your own good”? What the fuck is that?

    You wanna talk about sexual harrasment in Egypt? What do you think caused it to evolve to the state it is in right now? It’s this retarded way of thinking. The mothers who tell girls that if they get raped it’s because they dressed provcatively and invited rape upon themselves. It’s the stickers and the posters on the wall that tell the girls that the Hijab will save them from rape. It’s the idea that men are not to blame for any sexual gesture they make towards women, welcome or not, including rape, if the woman wasn’t “dressed modestly”. Hell, if she complains, she will chastized for being dressed the way she is by the people, who have all reached the consensus, thanks to Hijab, that it is bthe women’s responsibility to stop men from finding her attractive and from wnating to have sex with her. Tell me that isn’t fucked up.

    And then, of course, the inevtiable conclusion happend that past eid: the horny male who was told that he can’t be held responsible for his actions decided to take it to the enxt logical step and went after the Hijaby and the saferah alike. If there was one positive thing that came out of that thing it was that it shatterd the myth that covering up is the solution. Cause, then what? All the muslim girls cover up? What about the christian girls? Are they fair game?

    So yeah, I am sorry, but I am anti the veil, the burqa, the burkini and that stupid islamic hospital gown cause I abhor the diea behind it and what it implies about me. I also find that women who fall to that mindset to be utterly stupid and I reserve the right to make fun of the utterly stupid as I damn well please ( and yes, you can say that this includes your sis-in-law. Sorry!). Given that the Burqini is an innovation deisgned to support this retarded way of thinking, it makes perfect sense for me to make fun of it as well. Did that make things clearer to you?

    Let’s hope so!

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  43. pommygranate
    January 15, 2007 at 4:26 am

    I agree with Usual Suspect. I think it’s a great initiative to encourage Muslims to become lifeguards.

    We all endlessly moan about how Muslims never integrate. Now here is awonderful example of integration into that most Anglo and iconic of Aussie institutions and we mock it? NO. Encourage it.

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  44. fahmy the Egyptian
    January 15, 2007 at 4:38 am

    I think Egypt is in deep shit. Is everything evolving around Islam? Well here’s news for you, Islam is man made and all religion is man made. God has nothing to do with it and no one actually talked to God or know what God is. God would be really silly to ask his female creations to wear specific garments in order to stop the devil (another creation of his) from luring the poor men into sin. How’s that for an argument against the veil? In addition, I hope that some people here will be comfortable to know that not all Egyptians are brainwashed or think women should cover up to obey God. Also, happily, some Egyptians know their history and know that religion is a social tool in the hands of the government and people who seek power. The alliance between dictator, army and religion is what’s governing us and unless we wake up out of our hallucinations we will be wiped off the face of history. But most probably the pyramids will remain – also that ancient ‘heretic’ sculpture called the sphinx! Saba7 el fol.

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  45. BrooklynJon
    January 15, 2007 at 5:20 am

    abla,

    You’re right. Covering up so much probably does create Vitamin D deficiency. But the fact of the matter is that Vitamin D deficiency is widespread throughout the western world, and probably gets worse in the winter. In fact, its a leading hypothesis explaining why influenza only seems to become pandemic in the winter, and is quiescent during the summer.

    http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20061111/bob9.asp

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  46. BrooklynJon
    January 15, 2007 at 5:22 am

    And I have no opinion about the burqini other than that I think it looks a little silly, and do not anticipate wearing one anytime soon.

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  47. Karen
    January 15, 2007 at 6:25 am

    BrooklynJon,
    Did you know the body cannot make vitamin D if a person is wearing sunscreen? That may account for some of the problem with vitamin D deficiency. If my kids are going out to play for 1/2 an hour to an hour, I don’t put son screen on them. Yet I know so many parents who are so paranoid about their little ones being outside for a few minutes without sunscreen. I hear sunscreen doesn’t even protect the skin from the suns harmful rays anyways. You won’t get burned but you still may end up with skin cancer a few decades later.

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  48. Karen
    January 15, 2007 at 6:26 am

    BrooklynJon,
    Did you know the body cannot make vitamin D if a person is wearing sunscreen? That may account for some of the problem with vitamin D deficiency. If my kids are going out to play for 1/2 an hour to an hour, I don’t put son screen on them. Yet I know so many parents who are so paranoid about their little ones being outside for a few minutes without sunscreen. I hear sunscreen doesn’t even protect the skin from the suns harmful rays anyways. You won’t get burned but you still may end up with skin cancer a few decades later.

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  49. Karen
    January 15, 2007 at 6:26 am

    BrooklynJon,
    Did you know the body cannot make vitamin D if a person is wearing sunscreen? That may account for some of the problem with vitamin D deficiency. If my kids are going out to play for 1/2 an hour to an hour, I don’t put son screen on them. Yet I know so many parents who are so paranoid about their little ones being outside for a few minutes without sunscreen. I hear sunscreen doesn’t even protect the skin from the suns harmful rays anyways. You won’t get burned but you still may end up with skin cancer a few decades later.

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  50. Karen
    January 15, 2007 at 6:28 am

    Oops, sorry

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  51. The Usual Suspect
    January 15, 2007 at 8:55 am

    SM
    Yes, it does make things clearer. I’m sorry if I’ve offended or misinterpreted you in any way. I understand how you feel about the hijab- I feel the same way too. I have never been able to grasp the concept of covering my body to avoid the lustiness of men. If men can’t control their dicks- that’s their problem- not mine. But this is not about me or you- it is about something much bigger than that.
    I know you want choice, freedom and liberty for yourself as well as for Egypt. So do I. But we cannot have choice, freedom and liberty if we aren’t prepared to concede that it does not always mean that things will be the way we want them to be- that some people will choose things we don’t want for ourselves. When my sis in law decided to wear hijab, my brother was so against it that they almost divorced over it. As much as I agreed with my brother’s stance, I also had to support the fact that my sis in law should be allowed to excercise her freedom of choice- as long as it doesn’t hurt others. How can I want something for myself if I am not prepared to allow others the same?

    You fuck for practice? How does that work? I thought ‘practice’ involved Mrs Palmer, her five daughters and a sock!

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  52. hebe
    January 15, 2007 at 10:09 am

    dude don’t you ever go to the north coast , these te things have been around fro ageeeeees but they call them maillot shariee . most of my veiled friends have them . still the name burqini is pretty damn hilarious !

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  53. Jason
    January 15, 2007 at 5:15 pm

    Ever ask yourself how humans have survived these countless eons before the invention of sunscreen? Considering we were much more active outdoors then.

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  54. Modern Pharaoh
    January 15, 2007 at 7:59 pm

    So what? its her choice…..all you assholes who change this post into being a bashing of muslims can EAT A DICK..!

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  55. Layla
    February 23, 2007 at 11:06 am

    Wow…Where are we living?
    How can women go to the beach wearing something like that?…
    Well, perhaps they don´t need to spend half hour putting some sunscreen on your skin….Gosh! The evil is in people´s eyes not in a swim suit like a bikini or a body.
    Women were the most beautiful creature God created so it shouldn´t be a shame going to the beach wearing a bikini.
    Poor women …

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  56. Aeria
    March 1, 2007 at 2:27 pm

    What’s with the obsession with women’s bodies in Muslim cultures? What next, should male camels be prohibited from standing next to female camels? Should female camels be made to wear Hijab? Maybe somebody in KSA will think of that soon!
    The more you drive something underground, the more fetishized and attractive it becomes.

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  57. sarra
    May 6, 2007 at 9:02 am

    Muslim Women keeps her body for their husband to look at and not for other men to stared at. But its up to you whether you wanna expose it or keep it as a secret and I think those who covers themselves really make other people wonders- what do they look like? Is it the same with those women who exposed themselves to everyone? Well, different people with different opinion rite?So, its up to you guys what to say and what to do. But I really thinks it a strength in women who keeps themselves from freely giving other people how they look like.

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  58. saf
    May 31, 2007 at 12:13 am

    Hey guys? Instead of putting Islam and the Muslims down, think about this. Despite all those nasty things you’ve said about Muslim women and how badly they are (supposedly) treated…Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, attracting mainly women in the West. Enough said.

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  59. Top Shotter
    June 15, 2007 at 11:41 am

    u knw wot different people belive in different things and u just gotta accept dat just becoz u sed u dont like it dont mean itz gonna change, let people do wot dey like keep urself to urself fink bout urself not anybody else no onz actually askin for ur opinion so y dont u keep it to urself :@

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  60. Dablu
    July 10, 2007 at 4:51 pm

    Hey! THIS BURQINI stuff is cool. I may be starting a dealership in the USA for these.
    There are a lot of Muslim women who want to go swimming but cannot because of this. My wife has been wanting something like this. It is not me asking her to wear this, but she, being modest, wants to wear the burqini.
    Then the whole family can hit for the beaches.

    One very positive thing about Americans is that they let people have the freedom of wearing what they want. Together, we all can co-exist peacefully and alienate the violence-mongers in Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism ……..

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  61. USpace
    March 20, 2009 at 4:32 am

    .
    I think wet, clinging burqinis are HOT!
    .
    absurd thought -
    God of the Universe SCREAMS
    cover up you harlot…

    don’t be like raw meat outdoors
    men should not control themselves
    .
    All real freedom starts with freedom of speech. Without freedom of speech there can be no real freedom.
    . :)
    .

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  62. Whitewingtip
    September 10, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    I’m Catholic and honestly I believe that modesty is a beautiful thing. Dening anyone their choices is a denial of rights and freedoms. And that goes for anyone at all, not just these muslim women.
    The swimsuits are made of swimgear material and they dry quickly, move easily through water… I see no reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to wear that if divers and such can wear swimsuits.
    Saying all muslims are terrorists is like saying all Americans are dumb as stumps and all Canadians are lumberjacks and Hockey nuts.
    It’s simply a stereotype, and if any of you are not willing to get over them maturity just hasn’t reached you yet.

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