Egypt broadcasts the sunni insurgency TV channel

Read this …. 

Now, do you guys need more proof that Egypt is already taking sides in the upcoming Sunni-Shia war? 

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  1. crow_of_evil says:

    You would think their common hatred of Jews would overcome any differences they have.

    It looks like the best we can hope for is some cold war situation. That means everyone has to get to their side. How horrific that must be, uprooting yourself from where your family has lived for generations. It’s a lot different than moving from Chicago to LA. But what are the alternatives.

    If the so-called surge was going to work, it would have done so by the mere threat. Siege Sadr City? What use would that do.

    Massive bombings. Heartless mass slaughter by suicide bomber goes on today. People willing to drive suicide trucks into crowds of innocent people do that just don’t quit when a truce is declared.

    The US is of course blamed by everyone. But someday the Iraqis will look up from the carnage and remember they once did have a chance for peace and Democracy.

    In some ways, I feel for the Iraqi Shi’ite. He’s the guy who has been tortured by Saddam for years, his family murdered before and after the downfall of Saddam. But then again there is Sadr and the Iranians, and they torture too.

    Egypt should try something small like stabilizing Africa. They have the manpower. The AU needs to send 8K to Somalia. Egypt should be able to send the guys and be effective.

  2. Since when has any war not been hell? You’d think after so many centuries of knowing this we would have advanced diplomacy to a point where we could safely and fairly evade these consequences. Instead, our priorities appear to be more pornographic. We ain’t gonna quit fightin. We’re going to televise it and set up websites where you can view it anytime. Man…there sure are some commercializing little turds in this big human punch bowl. Pee yew!

  3. “We ain’t gonna quit fightin”

    Who do you count as We? The whole world isn’t in on the pointless tribal bullshit. It’s the worst parts of Africa, the M.E. and a couple of S. American countries that might as well be in the M.E.(inner and outer cities in a few other countries, sort of)

  4. BrooklynJon says:

    crow,

    “You would think their common hatred of Jews would overcome any differences they have.”

    We’re sorry for the delay, but we’re busy killing some Shiites. Your Jew-hatred is very important to us. Please stand by and a Jihadi will be with you shortly. Have a nice day.

    “Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics
    And the Catholics hate the Protestants
    And the Hindus hate the Moslems
    And everybody hates the Jews”

    -National Brotherhood Week
    by Tom Lehrer

  5. “Iran is not under any sanctions,” Ivanov said. “The U.N resolution that was accepted and for which the Russian Federation voted, does not apply to contracts made by Iran.”

    Russian missiles delivered to Iran: Ivanov

    This is not a new Cold War, Sandmonkey. It’s merely an extension of the old Cold War. Apparently.

    Russia making moves in regards to Lebanon. Russia helping Iran with nuclear reactors, and selling anti-aircraft missiles to Iran which will protect those nuclear cites. Russia blocking any action against Iran by the UN.

    I thought the next major war was going to be against China. I’m rethinking that, now. Russia is acting *exactly* like the old Soviet Union did. Exactly. US needs to start arming the Chechens and seeing what other kind of mischief can be caused in their backyard. I bet things could get pretty bad for Putin, pretty fast.

  6. It’s hardly surprising since Egypt is almost totally Sunni…I think there may be a little dissent if Mubarak suddenly decided that Muqtada was his best friend. Well his IS a democratic and representative giovernment, isn’t it???? :-p

  7. “US needs to start arming the Chechens”. Yeah, cause after all, that strategy worked so well with the Taliban.

  8. Breaking: NEW VIDEO OF SADDAM

    http://theync.com/video/h011107saddam.wmv

    :-)

  9. another video [real]

    Saddam takes last ride to Takrit
    http://www.iraqirabita.org/ambulance.zip

    >:

  10. The Jut;

    The Taliban came to power after the end of the Cold War, my friend.

  11. Here is you some Sunni-Shiite Video Entertainment.

    You won’t catch it all in one viewing, watch it a few times so you can get into the pure hatred that is present there in that studio.

    All, live and infront of the world.

    Gotta love it.

    Papa Ray
    West Texas
    USA

  12. charlie 316 says:

    BJ – thanks for reminding me of Tom Lehrer. Now there was a man who really knew how to stick the knife in and give it a good twist. It’s a shame he stopped performing in the mid-sixties. Lots of the people who take themselves so seriously in the modern world deserve a Lehrer style satirisation (is that a proper word, but you get the idea).

  13. “This is not a new Cold War, Sandmonkey. It’s merely an extension of the old Cold War. Apparently.”

    Or an extension of ‘The Great Game’

  14. Aliandra; I know. However, it was still Mullah Omar and the gang, together with bin Laden and what would later become al-Qaida, who fought the Russians with weapons supplied by the US. I didn’t want to draw attention away from my point with excess words and explanation. One of the greatest flaws of western civilization today, is our inability to learn from the past. And giving weapons to bloodthirsty Islamists might not be such a good idea, in retrospect. The Taliban by any other name is still the Taliban.

  15. The Jut,

    It’s also not a good idea to allow the Russians to supply Islamists with nuclear weapons. What would you suggest we do?

  16. If we want to intentionally poke the Bear with a sharp stick, as if bombing their little brother Serbia didn’t already do that, we could arm the heck out of neighboring states. Arming the Chechens is the worst idea I’ve read in a while. Since Ralph Peters wrote in the NY Post that the U.S. should side with the Shia in a regional war.

    Now that our troops are engaged in Sadr City, I’m pleased to announce that advice was ignored. If we want to make Iraq work, we have to attack both sides. Weird, but true.

  17. So, then, Chip… just how do you suggest we handle Russia? Pretend everything is OK? Even when it clearly isn’t?

  18. Arming the Chechens is the worst idea I’ve read in a while.

    What are the good ideas that you’ve heard lately, Chip? I haven’t heard a good idea in years. Seriously.

    If we want to make Iraq work, we have to attack both sides. Weird, but true.

    It’s not weird. And it *was* true. It was true 3 years ago, when the Mahdi Army and the Sunni “insurgency” were attacking US troops, instead of murdering each other. But that isn’t what we did. Instead, we made a truce with the Shia, but not with the Sunni.

    It’s NOT true, now. There is universal agreement that Iraq is a failure. What are we trying to prove in Iraq now? That it isn’t *really* a failure? Even though we all think that it is?

    Maliki said today he doesn’t need US troops. He just wants US weapons. As if he won’t just use those weapons in further sectarian fighting.

    We have better things to do with our troops (and our money) than supporting incompetent and corrupt Iraqi “leaders” while they fight over who gets to be the big dog in the junkyard.

  19. Craig,

    If you’d like to let the sectarian war explode and sit back and watch, that’s always plan B. It takes no effort. Presumably, since our troops are still there, the idea is to try and make it work.

    Arming the Chechens is exactly the same thing as arming the mujahideen in Afghanistan. The blowback is always greater than any gain, which would be minimal to disasterous anyway.

  20. Chip,

    If you’d like to let the sectarian war explode and sit back and watch, that’s always plan B. It takes no effort. Presumably, since our troops are still there, the idea is to try and make it work.

    I would have liked to make things in Iraq 2 to 3 years ago when we had the opportunity to do so. Nobody actually believes that is possible, anymore, so I’m wondering just what in the hell we are trying to accomplish?

    In other words – what is plan A?

    Arming the Chechens is exactly the same thing as arming the mujahideen in Afghanistan.

    It’s a stretch to say Chechnya is the same as Afghanistan, in the 1980s. The US funded, armed and supported rebels all over the world during the Cold War. The rise of the Taliban in Afghanistan was unique. You make a lot of assumptions, and you also seem to assume that the Taliban only rose to power in Afghanistan because of US involvement. Do the Afghans have no responsibilty for that? How do you explain the Islamists taking over in Somalia, last year? Speaking of which, that situation seems to have been turned around. The US could have intervened in Afghanistan (and SHOULD HAVE) long before Al Qaeda struck us on 9/11. We knew what was going on there, and we knew Al Qaeda was there, and attacking us from there. What year was it that Clinton launched cruise missiles into Afghanistan again? 97? 96?

    The blowback is always greater than any gain, which would be minimal to disasterous anyway.

    The “gain” was pretty large! You realize there would probably still be a Soviet Union right now, if it hadn’t been for Afghanistan? It was not a mistake to support the Mujihedeen against the Soviets. The mistake was in letting things go so far wrong after the Soviets left.

    And I’m still waiting to hear your suggestions about how we should let the Russians experience some kind of “downside” to waging proxy war against us.

  21. Chip, also…

    Presumably, since our troops are still there, the idea is to try and make it work.

    Make what work? What is being done? How long do the people in the Iraqi government think they will survive if the US pulls out, now? Don’t they realize what will happen without US troops there? They must. Somebody needs to take charge of Iraq and get the situation under control, while the US troops are there to back the government up. But instead, things just keep spinning further out of control. The way I see it, these are our options:

    a) Make one last (no, really! last try!) attempt to stabilize the current government, and get out within 6 months

    b) Depose the government and install somebody (a Dictator) who can get the job done, and get out within 6 months

    c) Just get the hell out. Now. Without wasting another dollar or another American life.

    d) keep playing fuck-fuck games and pretending like we’re doing good work while a civil war rages on, and get out in 5 years

    What are you reading in the tea leaves? Option B is looking pretty good to me, these days.

  22. The fall of the Soviet Union is now its own academic field. To say the war in Afghanistan was THE cause of the fall of the Soviet Union is to agree with Osama Bin Laden, and you don’t want to do that.

    If we’re going to make a sudden change in policy, I prefer option “e”:

    Move our troops to the Kurdish areas, help them declare independence, and not abandon actual allies in the region. Or the closest thing we have to allies in the region. The Shia and Sunni Arabs are not the only game in town.

    As a matter of principle, I would never support any group which wages jihad, calls itself mujahideen, or wants to implement Islamist government. To do so is the height of hypocrisy and would be throwing gasoline on the biggest and most dangerous fire in the world. International politics used to be about nation-states. Not any more. Now it’s about trans-national movements, the strongest of which is the global jihad.

    I’ve always believed international politics is about bad and worse decisions. The worst decision we can make right now is to abandon the idea of making Iraq or Afghanistan work. For the time being, they are the ultimate in jihadi flypaper. Somalia is a new addition. Jihad being an ideology in eternal pursuit of a battlefield, for the forseeable future, we need to provide them plenty of battlefields – and kill them in droves.

  23. Hi Chip,

    The fall of the Soviet Union is now its own academic field. To say the war in Afghanistan was THE cause of the fall of the Soviet Union is to agree with Osama Bin Laden, and you don’t want to do that.

    I didn’t say that. It was one of several important elements that went into the fall of the Soviet Empire.

    I don’t disagree with you about supporting the Kurds – but you are aware that there are Kurdish terrorists too, right?

    I don’t believe Iraq is the most important game in town. And I never did. I didn’t support invading Iraq. I supported the mission there, anyway, once we were committed. But that mission seems to have failed.

    I have always though that after Afghanistan (which was urgent), Iran was the most pressing problem the US faced in the war on terror. And I’ve been saying that for a long time, Chip.

  24. Big shock… Dude, Egypt and basically every other Muslim country already took this side a long time ago. And it is not about being Sunni or Shi’i, it is about being pro-Saddam and his sympathizers or anti-Saddam/pro-Iraq for all Iraqis. And guess which side the Arabist establishment and most Muslims have been taking since… forever?!

    Craig, educate us on the “Kurdish terrorists”. Let’s see if you know what you are talking about.