Military Trial for MB members

So orderd our President and naturally this is what will happen. The funny thing about this, if there is humor to be found here, is the response for the MB members. Instead of going with the " This is a violation of our human rights/ this is unconstitutional/ Mubarak is being kooky" defense, they went with this:

"It is a cruel decision and it is a political one," the Brotherhood's deputy supreme guide Mohammed Habib told AFP.

"This type of exceptional decision gives Arab and foreign investors a
sense that there is a lack of stability in Egypt. This will reflect
negatively on development in Egypt," he said.

WHAT???? The Investors? It will refelct negatively on development in Egypt? That's the problem here??

Nevermind… 

Comments

  1. And who said there is no sense of humor in Islam (apart from the late Ayatollah Khomeini)?

    Let’s think of what else might scare off investors. Oh I don’t know, murdering tourists in Luxor perhaps? Beheading people in the internet?

    Are these people as retarded as they sound?

  2. I think it’s a smart argue no one really care about human rights Egyptian official cares about investors more then laws and rights.
    Egypt is targeting Arab to invest in natural gas projects; to main motive for our “growing” economy.
    Overall Arabs invest 40% of total FDI.
    The main reason for GDP growth last year was direct investing special in petroleum section. El Chater is making a good point here, but human ….rights….. who cares man?

  3. I hear a lot of nasty things about MB. If those things are true, should MB be outlawed the same way Israelis outlawed Kah?

    Ah, whom am I kidding?

  4. the MB are outlawed although they have renouced violence. the last killing attempt attributed to them took place more than 50 years ago.

  5. Hei Gou, the spectrum of islamic political movments has many more colours other than the black of the terrorists. though some of the jihadists had sort of connection with the MBs, the MB organization itself denounces their acts.
    however, for the MB, hamas is not a terroist organization. it is perhaps the only violant offshoot of the MB organization.

  6. Amgad Says:”the spectrum of islamic political movments has many more colours other than the black of the terrorists. though some of the jihadists had sort of connection with the MBs, the MB organization itself denounces their acts.
    however, for the MB, hamas is not a terroist organization. it is perhaps the only violant offshoot of the MB organization.”

    Sure. But are those differences as big as those between Euro-Communists and the Soviets – much less those between the Social Democrats and the Communists? The Social Democrats and Communists (as they were not) split precisely over the issue of violence. The Islamists have not, as far as I can see, made that split yet. There are Islamists who support violence but not right now for tactical reasons and there are Islamists who support it all the time. But there are no Islamists who oppose it as a matter of principle. The Muslim Brotherhood being perfect examples of the “not tonight” terrorist school of thought. They have used it in the past. They support it elsewhere. They will no doubt support it in the future. But right now they have accepted the public is not ready and the state too strong. Tactical moves. Nothing else. After all, the Muslim Brotherhood spins off a lot of terrorists doesn’t it?

  7. “though some of the jihadists had sort of connection with the MBs, the MB organization itself denounces their acts.”

    Really? The MB “denouncing” violence is about as meaningful as Osama Bin Laden denouncing violence. Well, here’s a list of atrocities compiled by the victims of the Ikhwan’s violence. Now I’m not saying every single one of these incidents was commited by a card carrying member of the Ikhwan but I guarantee you all of these fanatics share the EXACT SAME ideology…

    http://www.unitedcopts.org/content/view/18/33/

    HeiGou, you are 100% correct. The Ikhwan realized that “denouncing” violence will get them a lot further politically…until, of course, the time is right for them to revert to their old ways.

    And if anyone is truly interested in the Ikhwan’s agenda here it is.

    http://www.coptsunited.com/engtopstory/engtopstory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1164978059&archive=&start_from=&ucat=10&

    Egypt will be flushed right down the toilet if these fanatics EVER come to power! And they’re worried about foreign investment???? Oh shit, that one is a good one!

  8. So Amgad, are these “eight muslim men” official card-carrying members of the Muslim Brotherhood or are they supporters, boosters, alumni, advocates or what??

    http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L13256156.htm

    Here’s a taste:

    “The rumours began on Saturday and calm was restored by Tuesday, with security forces deployed in the town as a precaution, one security official said.

    Traditional Islamic law allows Muslim men to marry Christian women but not Christian men to marry Muslim women. Romances across the divide are one of the main sources of tension between Egypt’s two main religious communities.”

    WTF???!!! That sounds about equal, right? It just goes along with everything else in Egypt regarding Muslims and Christians.

  9. Egypeter, I am really sorry for what happened. I agree with you in rejecting the basic premises of political islam that there is a God given set of divine rules that should govern every aspect of human life whether political, economical or social and that this set of rules are what muslim scholars agreed upon. Having said that, I disagree with the calls to corner, repress and condemn all the political Islamist movements, as if they are all equal, because they are not. Excuse me, but arguing that Omar Abd el Rahamn and Abd el Mone3m Abu el Fotouh are the same, is simplistic and even counterproductive.

    There are two reasons for it being counter productive

    1- let us face it, our people are easily seduced with the Hereafter, so the calls to obey religious orders are falling on very ready and obeying ears. Therefore, insisting that any islamists is a backward obscurantist will lead the public to say: ok, if adhering to islam in all aspects of life is equal backwardness and obscuration then I welcome them. This will invigorate uncompromising and really dangerous islamists.
    2- Putting all Islamist movements under siege and repressing their peaceful activities will delay or even hinder a clear cut split between those who are ready to participate in the democratic process and those who report to violence whenever they can. Simply because working under the sun mean that they will have to deal with the complexity and variety of issues of public life. They will have to convince and engage with people who do not share their beliefs. This will temper their discourse and force them to become more pragmatic, while marginalizing more the hardcore fanatics. See for example the Moroccan or the experiences. In morocco they have two active islamist parties that started to shadow other less pragmatic and democracy-phobic islamists. I would not discuss Turkey or Bosnia where Islamists has become indistinguishable from seculars when they reached power because of the peculiarities of both cases.

    In short I believe that it is in the benefit of all of us to encourage political Islamist movements that accept the democratic process.

  10. Amgad Says:”Having said that, I disagree with the calls to corner, repress and condemn all the political Islamist movements, as if they are all equal, because they are not. Excuse me, but arguing that Omar Abd el Rahamn and Abd el Mone3m Abu el Fotouh are the same, is simplistic and even counterproductive.”

    Explain to me the differences in broad outline. There looks to be differences in style and methods, but not in aims.

    There are two reasons for it being counter productive

    Amgad Says:”1- let us face it, our people are easily seduced with the Hereafter, so the calls to obey religious orders are falling on very ready and obeying ears.”

    Except as Sandmonkey has pointed out in the past, fifty years ago Egyptians were far more secular. So it is not true that Egyptians are easily seduced by religion. Something has happened to make them more so. Besides, the French and Russians used to be religious too, but a hundred years or so of aggressive secularisation has worked to make them atheists more or less.

    Amgad Says:”2- Putting all Islamist movements under siege and repressing their peaceful activities will delay or even hinder a clear cut split between those who are ready to participate in the democratic process and those who report to violence whenever they can.”

    You assume there is such a split. That is not the experience of, for instance, the West where “mainstream” Muslims will denounce terrorism if they are put on the spot, in English, but they don’t mean it. In fact they passively support the terrorists if not openly and actively in their own languages. In so far as I can tell there are Imams who are in the pay of the government and there are Imams who support the Islamists. And no others.

    Amgad Says:”This will temper their discourse and force them to become more pragmatic, while marginalizing more the hardcore fanatics. See for example the Moroccan or the experiences. In morocco they have two active islamist parties that started to shadow other less pragmatic and democracy-phobic islamists. I would not discuss Turkey or Bosnia where Islamists has become indistinguishable from seculars when they reached power because of the peculiarities of both cases.”

    Interesting that you do not mention the example of Iran in this passage. Liberals have always assumed that if you involve the radicals in the political process they will be tamed as they come to work within it. But of course the radicals usually want to destroy the system and have no intention of working within the democratic framework. So your approach has been tried with the Russian Communists, the Italian Fascists, the German Nazis and the Iranian theocrats. In every single case they were not tamed, they did not see a need to work within the system or moderate their views. On the contrary, they usually sought confrontation as an excuse for their failures. What makes you think Egypt will be any different?

    Amgad Says:”In short I believe that it is in the benefit of all of us to encourage political Islamist movements that accept the democratic process.”

    Actually I take a more disillusioned view. The time when the Islamists could be eradicated is over. Algeria is trying and they might succeed but at enormous cost. The ideas are too widespread and too deep in society. We need to accept that. And help the Islamists into power in as many minor societies as possible. Like Communism, it is not enough that the idea is stupid and brutal, it must fail and be seen to fail and fail in every single possible way known to mankind. Communism was dead by 1979. Islam is await its own Killing Fields, but no doubt that will come. America ought to hand Egypt over to the Muslim Brotherhood and in 50 years, after mass famine and economic disaster, the Egyptians will never touch Islam again.

  11. Good! Let them Crush those MB members to the last one!!

    @Heigou you said “Let’s think of what else might scare off investors. Oh I don’t know, murdering tourists in Luxor perhaps? Beheading people in the internet? Are these people as retarded as they sound? ”

    What does beheading people have to do with Egypt? and the Luxor incident was many many years ago, Yes there are problems but don’t try and talk about Egypt or Islam like you know a DAMN thing! “katak Elballa”

  12. Good! Let them Crush those MB members to the last one!!

    @Heigou you said “Let’s think of what else might scare off investors. Oh I don’t know, murdering tourists in Luxor perhaps? Beheading people in the internet? Are these people as retarded as they sound? ”

    What does beheading people have to do with Egypt? and the Luxor incident was many many years ago, Yes there are problems but don’t try and talk about Egypt or Islam like you know a DAMN thing! “katak Elballa”

  13. Modern Pharaoh Says:”Good! Let them Crush those MB members to the last one!!”

    If only it were possible.

    Modern Pharaoh Says:”What does beheading people have to do with Egypt? and the Luxor incident was many many years ago, Yes there are problems but don’t try and talk about Egypt or Islam like you know a DAMN thing! “katak Elballa””

    The fact that Egyptians are doing it perhaps? Or am I mistaken and Ayman al-Zawahiri is actually Swedish?

    Luxor was many years ago but not because the Muslim Brotherhood wanted it that way but because Mubarak runs a vicious police state that executes people who like that sort of thing.

    As for what I know, I am happy to let my record speak for itself.

  14. From the BBC this morning:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6364689.stm

    73 MB arrested.

  15. tedders – GOOD!