Abdel Karim family disowns him

Abdel Karim father announced today that he is disowning Abdel Karim, and that he would like to see Sharia Law applied to his son, in which he would have 3 days to repent at the end of which if he is not repentent, he would be killed. The Father also announced that he intends to disown his son publically in court- accompanied by his Koran-memorizing 4 other children- the day of the verdict in order to "lift the pressure" that the civil society and human rights organization maybe imposing on the Court. He also called the Human Rights organizations who are fighting for his son's freedom "Chimps Rights Organizations" since "they are defending a Chimp like AbdelKarim" who is emulating the west in "their thinking and opinions". Nice, eh?

Why do I have the feeling that this court session will be a circus? 

87 Comments on Abdel Karim family disowns him

  1. ISIS
    February 18, 2007 at 10:41 pm

    DUDE! If they were my parents, I’d disown them first!

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  2. Twpsret
    February 18, 2007 at 10:50 pm

    This is unbelievable, outrageous and beyond my comprehension. What kind of parents they are? I guess the instinct of fatherhood is not there!

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  3. charlie 316
    February 18, 2007 at 11:07 pm

    You have got to be profoundly depressed when you read stuff like this. To be betrayed by your own father and siblings like this is sickening. There must be one of the lower circles of hell reserved for people like this father.

    Well Egypt its been nice having you around for the past 5000 years, but this is the beginning of the end. Time to check your ‘Emergency Escape Money’ Sam, you could be next.

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  4. tedders
    February 18, 2007 at 11:19 pm

    Why do I have the feeling that this court session will be a circus?

    His Dad’s a clown, seems appropiate that the court day be a three ring circus ending with the grand finalee! His Papa showing his self to be Gaga!!

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  5. Rave
    February 18, 2007 at 11:21 pm

    Wish I hadn’t read that post…
    I already have alot of fucked up shit going on, and reading this made me more depressed and sad..
    I hope Abdel Karim can get over it, iam sure its easier to withstand torture in police custody than getting disowned by your own family in a time like this.

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  6. Carmen
    February 19, 2007 at 12:51 am

    Parents can be such shitheads sometimes. Shitheads.

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  7. howard_coward
    February 19, 2007 at 1:16 am

    Whoops! The shame bound culture strikes again. This seems to be the masculin equivalent of an honor killing.

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  8. Twosret
    February 19, 2007 at 2:14 am

    Howard the coward,

    So now you claim this is the Egyptian culture? What a mess you are!

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  9. Zvi
    February 19, 2007 at 2:43 am

    (a) Do the father’s PRIVATE feelings match his PUBLIC statements?

    (b) Has he been intimidated or threatened by Muslim Brotherhood or by the police? Could he be making such statements in order to protect his family?

    (c) Before you trash AK’s “parents,” has AK’s mother, too, said that she wants her son disowned and executed? She may well have other opinions not quoted in the press.

    If AK’s father really believes the stuff he is saying, then he is a horrible parent, and AK deserves respect for standing up to such an abusive creep for his entire life. I fear for the sanity of his other 4 kids. Not all of them will be as strong as AK evidently is, and this guy appears to have the traits of an abuser.

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  10. SoCalJustice
    February 19, 2007 at 3:29 am

    This is unbelievable, outrageous and beyond my comprehension. What kind of parents they are? I guess the instinct of fatherhood is not there!

    Welcome to Egypt under the Egyptians, not to mention sexual harassment on the streets on the first day of Eid, etc….

    Seriously – for non-hateful people posting – this is a seriously sad development.

    When is the next hearing?

    I wish there was a way to free him and grant him asylum in the West. I can’t believe this is happening in 2007.

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  11. Abu Kufr
    February 19, 2007 at 4:30 am

    I can believe it’s happening in 2007.

    As Kareem says – it is Islam – the font of hatred and intolerance that destroyed the beautiful cultures of Mesopotamia, Persia and Egypt and replaced them with this.

    Fear for the future, fellow humans. Fear that one day our children will have to take up arms to defend humanity and civilization again from the Islamic janissaries which will invade Europe and the US from within their own cities!

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  12. Twosret
    February 19, 2007 at 4:39 am

    “Welcome to Egypt under the Egyptians, not to mention sexual harassment on the streets on the first day of Eid, etc…”

    sick comments of generalizing as usual. Egyptians are not like Kareem’s father they are very warm and love their family. Family ties are strong in general so don’t fish in dirty waters.

    so go away!

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  13. ella
    February 19, 2007 at 5:00 am

    Twosret

    I am not suprised that the family ties in egypt are strong, but many of that parents in Egypt would disown their children if they would try, for example, to change religion. That said I do agree with Zvi, we do not know if he was not strongly pressured by Muslim Brothers, if he did not get notice that he and his nearest would not lose his jobs, children lose their schooling and all of the familly will be treated as pariahs. We don’t know his real views as opposed to his publicly stated ones.

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  14. SoCalJustice
    February 19, 2007 at 5:03 am

    sick comments of generalizing as usual

    Wow, aside from being a hateful hypocrite, you’re pretty clueless.

    I was mocking EXACTLY your comment on the earlier thread – and you couldn’t even figure that out.

    Tragic.

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  15. Modern Pharaoh
    February 19, 2007 at 5:18 am

    Very Sad!! But you guys need to realize there are Asshole parents everywhere in the world! The people saying BYE BYE EGYPT..are out of their minds….there are way more Moderate Egyptians than Extremist asswipes! The sad thing is that the moderates don’t like to get involved in any BS so they never speak up!

    Calm down and stop insulting ALL OF EGYPT and ALL EGYPTIANS !

    *I love how most of these people have never even been to Egypt but think they can sit here and talk so negatively about Our Country! Get a clue.

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  16. leo
    February 19, 2007 at 5:43 am

    This guy should ‘repent’ for 3 days than get out of Dodge fast.

    Let him decide what to do with his parents. As I am sure he is the only one who knows real truth.

    I need a lesson. Is Egypt a sharia law country or civil law or both? If Egypt is shariat do Copts get to be tried by sharia or by other law?

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  17. Modern Pharaoh
    February 19, 2007 at 5:54 am

    @Leo, Egypt is not a Sharia Law country…its a civil law country, but many of its laws adhere to the Sharia…and yes Copts abide by it as well! But its not some kind of religious state! Nothing like Saudia arabia or Irans law at all!

    *Egypt is pretty much Napoleonic law..

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  18. leo
    February 19, 2007 at 5:58 am

    Modern Pharaoh,

    Thank you

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  19. Terry Crane
    February 19, 2007 at 6:20 am

    And that story supposed to surprise me – how? Isn’t is obvious that all that jihadism is caused by selfish parenting?

    Just look what happens in US or Australia. Stake out outside any expensive private school in the morning – Lexuses and BMWs of richies, plus old rusty Toyotas of Chinese, Indians, East European Jews. Parents sacrifise everything to see their children succeed.

    At the same time majority of Arab parents take it easy and explain “I brought you a Muslim, everything should belong to you, but those Jews took it away. ”

    Crap. The only surprising part of this story is Abdel Karim himself. I will write a letter of protest to the Embassy of Egypt in Australia for this guy. He looks like another proof that positive in human kind can trascend even the most moronic cultures.

    I have never been to Egypt, and I have no plans to go. I live in Australia, and I am fet up with those morons on the streets, no education, no social skills, unable to treat women with respect, farthers “told them to be the best” yet didn’t equip them to be barely passable – so they blame “Australian racism” for discrimination.

    F.ck racism, there is no racism, most of the civilised world would really love to be joined by you, all you need to do is to stop blaming others and accept a bit of responsibility for your lives and the lives of your children.

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  20. Modern Pharaoh
    February 19, 2007 at 6:29 am

    @Terry Crane: All those Ills you mentioned are found in every Culture, every society and every religion…So don’t start by trying to pin it down on one Culture or Society!! And as for you not being to Egypt, this just shows how you don’t try to see both sides of the coin! Your here on an Egyptian Blog, where the blogger reports on the ills and negatives of Egypt, and you think this gives you the COMPLETE picture of Egypt??? There are many Moderate progressive Egyptians…

    “The greatest enemy of Knowledge is not ignorance, its the illusion of Knowledge”

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  21. tyrannized
    February 19, 2007 at 6:59 am

    wow .. kol yom bat2aked aktar w aktar eno (( mafeesh faida)) w howa men emta kan fe aslan ..

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  22. Yazan
    February 19, 2007 at 7:11 am

    Dude, Seriously?!

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  23. tommy
    February 19, 2007 at 8:55 am

    Sad. Unbelievably sad.

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  24. jack
    February 19, 2007 at 9:19 am

    Modern Pharaoh,

    Give us a brake on the culture lecture. The disowning of their son in this case is textbook Quran.

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  25. Lutoklawski
    February 19, 2007 at 9:57 am

    God damn insane.

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  26. Roman Kalik
    February 19, 2007 at 12:20 pm

    Jack,

    And what of textbook bible? And textbook torah?

    The difference is that the ills of fundamentalist thought in religion are apparent in Muslim society *today*. The fact that our societies went through it already doesn’t make us superior.

    So chill.

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  27. Adam B.
    February 19, 2007 at 12:22 pm

    21. Modern Pharaoh:

    You do indeed find morons in all societies, but the muslim/arab culture (as far as we see it from the west – in the media concerning the ME, on the streets concerning our immigrants) has a HUGE overrepresentation in this category, as evidenced by their alienation of pretty much all other cultures on this planet.

    I can’t speak for Egypt specifically, but if there are indeed a majority of moderate muslims as you and others claim, it’s high time we heard from them and see them take a stance. Untill then, this incident is just another example that confirms our perception of arabs/muslims in general…

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  28. Charles Frith
    February 19, 2007 at 12:25 pm

    I feel sorry for this kid. Islam is clearly bigger than family for the textbook Koran followers.

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  29. Red Tulips
    February 19, 2007 at 12:33 pm

    How awful. Karim’s dad is a monster, and should be ashamed of himself. If he is acting in the name of the Koran, then this is proof that Koranic literalism is f*cked up.

    Sad, sad, sad.

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  30. HeiGou
    February 19, 2007 at 12:51 pm

    Modern Pharaoh Says:”Very Sad!! But you guys need to realize there are Asshole parents everywhere in the world! The people saying BYE BYE EGYPT..are out of their minds….there are way more Moderate Egyptians than Extremist asswipes! The sad thing is that the moderates don’t like to get involved in any BS so they never speak up!”

    Well asshole parents may exist all over the world, but Egypt seems to specialise in them – who can forget Muhammed Atta’s Father disowning him right after 9-11 and then saying he wished he had more sons just like him a year later? Clearly some Egyptian fathers will say anything when the pressure is on. The question is whether this really represents his father’s views or not. It may be that the police told him to do it or his daughter would be introduced to lots of policemen in a social setting. It may be that he believes it. Or it may be both – he believes it now, but two years from now he’ll believe the exact opposite. Who knows?

    Who says there are more moderates than extremists in Egypt? You call yourself a moderate but you are not. What does it mean to be a moderate in Islam anyway? As far as I can see it is the degree with which you all want to kill other people: The moderates only want to kill Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and other assorted pagans. And Americans probably. The extremists want to kill all of those and a lot of people who call themselves Muslims as well.

    Why don’t moderates, if they exist, speak up? They protest every time a Canadian Muslim stubs his toe. They are silent when Muslims murder kafirs by the hundreds. Moderate, my ass.

    Modern Pharaoh Says:”All those Ills you mentioned are found in every Culture, every society and every religion…So don’t start by trying to pin it down on one Culture or Society!!”

    Really? Buddhists do not behead people on the internet. Jews do not hijack planes. Quakers do not blow themselves up on the Underground. Only Muslims do these things. Some ills, like unemployed youths who burn cars and rape, may be found in all cultures, but some societies produce vastly more than their share of them – Egypt for instance. Islamic countries in general in fact. Chinese boys have none of these problems. They are too busy working to support their families.

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  31. IunKnown
    February 19, 2007 at 3:45 pm

    Is there a law expert in this group that can find a loop-hole to kill the dad and free the son on the same day?

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  32. Egypeter
    February 19, 2007 at 4:33 pm

    As an Egyptian, I can’t tell you HOW TIRED I am of the whole moderate vs. extremist thing I keep hearing.

    It’s driving me nuts! WTF IS a moderate, and why don’t they speak up?? They don’t care? They’re too scared? They’re too busy? Whatever the reason for their silence, it’s not good enough. That’s why I have yet to believe the “there are way more moderates than extremists” in Egypt I keep hearing.

    I would love for someone to PROVE to me that there are more moderates than extremisits in Egypt because I DESPERATELY want to believe it….but I don’t. Of course there are millions of peaceful muslims in Egypt but I BET you they are NOT THE majority. Just walking down the streets of Cairo and Alex with my sister I could see it, feel it and hear it.

    It is what it is. This brave good man’s father sold him out for what he wrote and has condoned his own son’s death. And I don’t give a shit whether his father was pressured or meant it or not…he SAID it! It is what it is. And you DON’T find this kind of behavior in ANY other country/culture in the WORLD. Truth hurts and it IS embarassing….but sadly it IS the truth.

    Every person needs a good strong father (and mother) and this poor guy got stuck with an asshole. And he still turned out to be a good and decent person…

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  33. Anonymous
    February 19, 2007 at 6:27 pm

    I just felt sick inside after reading this, but unfortunately it does not surprise me.

    But there are Copts who would disown their children if they become Muslims as well, so it’s a two way street unfortunately.

    Parents just can’t seem to respect the choices their children make these days. Someone should inform the father that there is nothing in the Qu’ran that mentions death towards apostasy.

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  34. HeiGou
    February 19, 2007 at 6:33 pm

    Anonymous Says:”But there are Copts who would disown their children if they become Muslims as well, so it’s a two way street unfortunately.”

    Copts do not have to disown their children if they become Muslims. Islam makes them disown their parents. Remember that Muhammed would not even pray for his own mother because she died a pagan.

    Anonymous Says:”Parents just can’t seem to respect the choices their children make these days. Someone should inform the father that there is nothing in the Qu’ran that mentions death towards apostasy.”

    Yes unfortunately there is a wealth of evidence in the aHadith that Muhammed did it and the Rashidun did it after him. Kind of hard to explain away don’t you think?

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  35. Egypeter
    February 19, 2007 at 6:45 pm

    Anonymous said:

    “But there are Copts who would disown their children if they become Muslims as well, so it’s a two way street unfortunately.”

    True, that sometimes is the case. But it’s ANYTHING besides a “two way street” in Egypt. And you know what, if Copts DIDN’T hold onto their faith with all their might the Copts would have CEASED to exist in Egypt about a thousand years ago! And if I was born and raised in Egypt and my son wanted to convert to Islam I WOULD disown him in about three seconds FLAT, of course, I wouldn’t call for his beheading but I WOULD disown him.

    HeiGou said:

    “Copts do not have to disown their children if they become Muslims. Islam makes them disown their parents.”

    CORRECT! Just look at Kareem’s case. Or how about that sheikh that SM reported on that converted to Chrisitanity – he got thrown in jail. Is there a record in the history of Egypt where a Christian converted to Islam and then was thrown in jail?? Hardly, they throw them a parade instead and are actually afforded State protection! So, as you can see, it’s HARDLY a two way street.

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  36. Iraqi American
    February 19, 2007 at 8:15 pm

    OMG that is embarrassing. And he’s going to drag his other kids into court with him!! What a freak. Child abuse.

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  37. Nasser
    February 19, 2007 at 9:02 pm

    “Copts do not have to disown their children if they become Muslims. Islam makes them disown their parents.”

    son, if you don’t know shit then keep this cut under your nose shut

    nowhere in Islam it says that a convert should disown his parents, chapter 29 verse 8 is very clear about that.

    so please stop the liberal flavored Fascist anti-Islam propaganda and think before you utter fucking nonsene

    and by the way, the very same Kareem you are defending cut his relations with the coptic organization financing him because they refused to publish his article about a tragic accident of a Coptic father who killed his daughter because she fell in love with a Muslim guy.

    so, again, please, spare us your fucked up knowledge

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  38. Nasser
    February 19, 2007 at 9:05 pm

    ” Is there a record in the history of Egypt where a Christian converted to Islam and then was thrown in jail?? Hardly, they throw them a parade instead and are actually afforded State protection! So, as you can see, it’s HARDLY a two way street.”

    never heard of Wafa Constantine?

    amusing

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  39. Twosret
    February 19, 2007 at 9:21 pm

    Egypeter,

    I always wanted to ask you how many years have you lived in Egypt? And why are you so opinionated when it comes to Islam and Muslims. You always sound negative as if no Christian or Muslim Egyptian ever lived in peace. I might have read you wrong but please tell me that you know that many Christians and Muslims live in Egypt without problems and if you deny that, then my assumption is correct that you didn’t live in Egypt and your information is not based on reality.

    Let me clarify to you that in Sunday school in Egypt I had a Catholic girl whose mom went and got married to a Muslim guy and she was threatened by the priests in the Catholic church to take her children away from her and told her that they will not pray over her body after she dies in the church.

    The woman died before I left Egypt and there was no funeral for her in the church despite the fact that she never converted to Islam.

    I think in her case it is much worse than throwing her in Jail.

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  40. Twosret
    February 19, 2007 at 9:27 pm

    “And if I was born and raised in Egypt and my son wanted to convert to Islam I WOULD disown him in about three seconds FLAT, of course, I wouldn’t call for his beheading but I WOULD disown him.”

    Don’t know why you sound like Kareem father to me.

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  41. Egypeter
    February 19, 2007 at 9:27 pm

    Nasser – you can do us ALL a favor and shut the fuck up yourself!!

    Gamal Nasser says:”nowhere in Islam it says that a convert should disown his parents, chapter 29 verse 8 is very clear about that.”

    I don’t give a flying fuck what Islam says or doesn’t say. I’m basing my comment son the ACTIONS of muslims and not the words of the Koran that they claim to follow.

    Abdel-Nasser says: “so please stop the liberal flavored Fascist anti-Islam propaganda and think before you utter fucking nonsene”

    LOL. What a cheese dick you are! The only fascist I see here is YOU!!

    Fundementalist says: “and by the way, the very same Kareem you are defending cut his relations with the coptic organization financing him because they refused to publish his article about a tragic accident of a Coptic father who killed his daughter because she fell in love with a Muslim guy.”

    Oh yeah?? LOL. That is HILARIOUS!! Let’s try and break that down bit by bit shall we…

    -So there’s now a “Coptic organization” financing him?? You stupid fucking moron! Are you serious? This kid simply blogged about what he saw the day of the Alexandrian Riots on his OWN BLOG, that’s what started all of this! Where the hell is this alleged “Coptic Organization???” You shouldn’t believe everything your told, SON.
    -And he dumped this made-up Coptic organization because they (whoever they is) wouldn’t publish an article he wrote of an event that never existed? LOL.

    Dude, that’s special right there. YOU are special, aren’t you?

    And was Wafaa Constantine thrown in jail??? You imbecile!

    You Nasser are a goddamn PEA-BRAIN! It’s people LIKE YOU and Kareem’s father that make Egypt the utter shithole it currently is.

    Good luck to you bro.

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  42. Egypeter
    February 19, 2007 at 9:49 pm

    Twosret:

    You said: “I always wanted to ask you how many years have you lived in Egypt? And why are you so opinionated when it comes to Islam and Muslims.”

    That’s funny because I have similar questions about you too. Your positions on certain issues make me seriously scratch my head.

    I want to preface what I’m about to say by telling you that I DEEPLY love Egypt and I worry about the future of the country just as much, if not more, than my own country. When I go down to bed every night, I thank God on my hands and knees that I was born and raised in Chicago. Yep, all 32 years of my life here in Chicago and I am SO thankful that I have never lived a day in Egypt. Now, I know what you’re thinking and it might be similar to what that asshole Nasser would think, “OHHHHH, you never lived in Egypt then how do you know a damn thing about the country.” Well, that’s a very tired and lame arguement that won’t work on me. You see, I still have family in Egypt and I go back to visit every couple of years or so. So as a matter of fact, I get a “snapshot in time” of Egypt every time I go back and ya know what, it gets worse every time I go back!! And that’s BESIDES the fact that I follow Egyptian blogs, Egyptian news outlets, Watani and so on and so on. SO, I know exactly what’s going on in Egypt, sadly, probably more than Egyptians living in Egypt themselves.

    You said: “You always sound negative as if no Christian or Muslim Egyptian ever lived in peace. I might have read you wrong but please tell me that you know that many Christians and Muslims live in Egypt without problems and if you deny that, then my assumption is correct that you didn’t live in Egypt and your information is not based on reality.”

    Now, I’m not an idiot tworset. I KNOW that there are many good muslims who have no problem with their Christian neighboors, Sandmonkey being an obviously fine example. With that said, look at that shithead Nasser and what he just said, THAT is much more the norm than the Sandmonkey’s and Big Pharaoh’s of the world. It’s his intolerant views that are much more common than sane muslims in Egypt, and sadly THAT is true.

    You said: “Let me clarify to you that in Sunday school in Egypt I had a Catholic girl whose mom went and got married to a Muslim guy and she was threatened by the priests in the Catholic church to take her children away from her and told her that they will not pray over her body after she dies in the church.”

    Did the priest threaten to kill her twosret?? No, they didn’t. And that example you gave me doesn’t bother me much, you know why? Because if the Coptic church was passive about Chrisitans converting to Islam THERE WOULD BE NO CHRISTIANS IN EGYPT…a loooooong time ago. Do YOU realize that?

    And I can guarantee you that there is NOT ONE SINGLE THING about me that is similar to Kareem’s father Twosret!!

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  43. Nasser
    February 19, 2007 at 10:13 pm

    “I don’t give a flying fuck what Islam says or doesn’t say. I’m basing my comment son the ACTIONS of muslims and not the words of the Koran that they claim to follow.”

    son, you have no shame

    you said ““Copts do not have to disown their children if they become Muslims. [b]Islam makes them[/b] disown their parents.

    CORRECT! ”

    and secondly

    “And was Wafaa Constantine thrown in jail??? You imbecile!”

    i can think of two possibilities a) you are a damned lying prick, b) you are a damned ignorant moron who claims he knows it all

    Waffa Constantine is not fucking jailed??…..being held against her will in some cathedral is called what? does anyone in Egypt know here whereabout?

    she didn’t get a “parade” or a “state protection”, no one knows if she is even alive or not right now.

    and she is not the only one, there is lower classes copts who suffered abduction and torture because they converted to Islam.

    feel free to vent your anger, you have been exposed

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  44. Egypeter
    February 19, 2007 at 10:25 pm

    The only person that has been “exposed” is YOU, NASSER!!!

    Tworet, do you see what I mean NOW?

    Nasser – YOU are a fuckin’ chump. And just like every other goddamn fundie Egyptian you bring up Wafaa Constantine and neglect to bring up the thousands of Christians who are ACTUALLY ABDCTED!! This one screw-up by this stupid lady and all the fundies of Egypt rejoice and claim, “See, I told you so.” Well I’m sorry Gamal, And I’m sure it’s embarassing, but it DOES happen and not infrequently!! Would you like proof?

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18167

    And since you don’t base your opinions on facts and evidence but instead heresay, conspiracy theories and rumors, enjoy reading the “Confessions of a former Islamist” that I just provided.

    Read the link I’ve provided and you’ll get several different testimonials of EXACTLY what I’m talking about. But then again, proof probably doesn’t matter to you.

    The only anger I have is for intolerant extremisit fucks like yourself Nasser.

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  45. Egypeter
    February 19, 2007 at 10:28 pm

    “she didn’t get a “parade” or a “state protection”, no one knows if she is even alive or not right now.”

    Oh and thank you for your sincere and deep concern for Wafaa Constantine. I’m sure you’re truly worried about her safety. Thank you.

    Loser!

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  46. Nasser
    February 19, 2007 at 10:38 pm

    this confession of “the former Islamist” won’t sell here. sure it certainly can sell where there is people who don’t know shit about Egypt

    i read this story a while ago and it was hilarious i got to say, maybe because i know how things is like in Egypt i found it funny.

    the American Coptic guy who wrote this story should get the Joseph Goebbels award or something

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  47. Egypeter
    February 19, 2007 at 10:46 pm

    When you say shit like:

    “the American Coptic guy who wrote this story should get the Joseph Goebbels award or something”

    Do you realize how comments like that make you look? Do you realize that you are incriminating youself by your very own words. You do my job of making you look like an ASSHOLE way better than I ever could. LOL.

    It’s OBVIOUS you are a bigot and a racist and that you hate Christians (And I’m SURE Jews too).

    Ya know, isn’t it your duty to go on Jihad, Nasser? I’ll tell you what, I’ll buy you your one-way plane ticket to Iraq OR Afghanistan and mail it to you if you promise to go. I’m only half joking.

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  48. Nasser
    February 19, 2007 at 10:59 pm

    damn it!

    you are so filled with venom, dude

    actually i had very close Jewish Israeli friend since my teenage, i met him in Sinai and ever since we are really close pals

    and of course i have Christian friends too, and i exchanged emails with the American Christian priest Labib Kobti who i do respect so much

    the article was written by an American copt….basic knowledge about the tactics of the American coptic organizations will leave you to no different conclusion

    just because i exposed some of your lies and retarded propaganda i was branded a fanatic jew hatin’ christian hatin’mass murderer……phew!!

    dude, you are so fucking messed up i got to say

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  49. Roman Kalik
    February 19, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    *slaps Egypter*

    Snap out of it, man! It doesn’t matter if what you say is true or not if you’re frothing at the mouth, and you’re too close to that right now.

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  50. Egypeter
    February 19, 2007 at 11:21 pm

    Thanks Roman! But it DOES matter. And no worries, there’s no froth coming from my mouth, just facts. I provided first hand testimonials from former Islamists, yet the shithead above me says “the article was written by an American copt….basic knowledge about the tactics of the American coptic organizations will leave you to no different conclusion” WHAT A FUCKING JOKE!! But you are right, it doesn’t matter if what I say is true or not as long as the one listening won’t clean the wax out of his ears!

    It’s just fools like the dude above me that make me NOT WANT to say I’m Egyptian. It’s people like Nasser that are literally fucking up Egypt!

    And his tactic of trying to illustrate his tolerance by saying he has “Christian” and “Jewish” friends is a common ploy I’ve heard a million times over! I laugh at that Nasser!!! Do you hear me?! “Oh, look at me, I’m not an Islamonazi, I have non-muslim friends” LOL. Just go back and read what you said and THEN try and convince me you’re not an Islamofascist! It’s sorta like when I once read that the Muslim Brotherhood was opening up its organizations to Copts. That one made me laugh almost as much as our fine-feathered fundementalist friend, Gamal Abdel-Nasser.

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  51. Modern Pharaoh
    February 19, 2007 at 11:46 pm

    *MODERN PHARAOH FLYING OFF THE HANDLE*

    @Heigou, i’m sick of your stupid accusations and assumptions, you have nothing to back your stupid words, and you claim to know of Egypt and the Arab world when realy your probably some backwoods redneck, whose life can be summed up in the movie “DELIVERANCE”. Squeaaaaaal like a pig Heigou”

    @EGYPTERr: I love how you come in as the SUpport Wing for the JerkOff’s insulting Egypt. ;) Katak Nila, kifaya FADAYEH..(lol,kidding)

    @Red Tulip: I have a tulip in my pants for you! A-Hole

    @Nasser: Calm down, or i’m gonna put you and Egypter in Time out!

    @anyone Else who wants to insult Egypt : EAT A DICK!

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  52. Egypeter
    February 20, 2007 at 12:01 am

    Modern Pharaoh – One can criticize their country (or even isnult it) and still love it! I mean you’re not the only Egyptian who cares about Egypt, right?

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  53. Red Tulips
    February 20, 2007 at 12:43 am

    Modern Pharoah: Wow, real mature response!

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  54. leo
    February 20, 2007 at 2:07 am

    Christians are bad.
    Muslims are bad.
    Jews are bad.
    Egyptians are bad.
    Israelis are bad.
    Copts are bad.
    Arabs are bad.

    I have a feeling I forgot so many more. Please, help.

    Friendly advise without meaning and fingerpointing attached to it – blind patriot is worst than enemy.

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  55. the tapper
    February 20, 2007 at 3:23 am

    Wow! What happened to the man who is being persercuted by the father. It goes no where calling names. As far as different faiths disowning their own. It follows in many faiths, not to the point of killings etc. but most religions have dogma that dictate ridiculous teachings for not following their ways. Most have done away with this dogma. The Catholic Church is one who has come a long way with its teachings. Especially in the U.S. When I was a kid, a couple of years ago, they could only read from a missle. (a book made up by the church). Now they can read from their own bible. I think that wised up many on the actual teachings of their faith. Much is dogma, and still is…
    I think what is happening to this man is unconscionable but it’s still in the eyes of the Court, is it not? Hopefully, one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?

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  56. Free Kareem Amer
    February 20, 2007 at 6:01 am

    I have translated the Arabic article covering this story here, in full:

    http://www.freekareem.org/2007/02/18/kareem%e2%80%99s-family-disowns-him-father-wants-him-killed-if-he-does-not-%e2%80%9crepent%e2%80%9d/

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    Family of Al-Azhar Student, Accused of “Contempt of Religion”, Disowns Him Before His Court Verdict Session

    Written by Nabeel Abu Shal and Tamer Al-Sharqawy
    18/2/2007

    The family of Al-Azhar student Abdul Kareem Nabeel Suleiman, accused of “contempt of religion”, has disowned him before his court verdict session on the upcoming Thursday. His father, a retired mathematics teacher, has demanded applying the Sharia [Islamic law] ruling on him by giving him three days to repent, followed by having him killed if he does not announce his repentance.

    The father of the Al-Azhar student, who is accused of contempt of the Islamic religion, harming the reputation of Egypt, and inciting to disrupt the peace and to overthrow the regime, has decided to rescind from boycotting his trial hearing sessions. [He has decided] to attend the court verdict session with his four brothers, who completely memorized the Holy Quran, to announce disowning the accused Abdul Kareem inside the court room, in order to reduce the embarrassment and pressure that civil rights organizations are applying on the court panel.

    The father of the accused also described the organizations that are working on having his son acquitted as “monkey rights” organizations, in his own words. He also described his son as the “monkey” who has imitated the atheists of the West in their intellectual thinking.

    The family also said that they will announce their disownment of their son on the Internet as well.

    The Dean of Sharia in Al-Azhar University, which the student Abdul Kareem attends, had him attend a disciplinary hearing after he attacked the Islamic religion on the Internet, and spoke against the Messenger of Allah – peace and blessings be upon him – and the companions [of the prophet of Islam].

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  57. Eva, Canada
    February 20, 2007 at 8:36 am

    Any religion which severs biological ties is toxic. What a degradation of family values! At this point, the best thing that could happen to poor Abdul Kareem is to become an orphan.

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  58. Zvi
    February 20, 2007 at 9:31 am

    @leo @57 lol

    I’m bad… .

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  59. catmar
    February 20, 2007 at 10:25 am

    There are many Moderate progressive Egyptians…

    Modern Pharaoh, if this is the case where are they? be men stand up and
    be counted!

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  60. HeiGou
    February 20, 2007 at 11:13 am

    Nasser Says:”son, if you don’t know shit then keep this cut under your nose shut. nowhere in Islam it says that a convert should disown his parents, chapter 29 verse 8 is very clear about that.”

    Actually it does. And they have, as I pointed out, the example of Muhammed who refused to pray for his Mother. But don’t listen to me, listen to Islam on line.

    Question: Dear scholars, As-Salamu `alaykum. I am a convert. I always come across the following questions from the new converts: Is it permissible for us to make du`a’ (supplication) for our parents, family members and relatives who are non-Muslims? What can we pray for them? What can we not? Jazakum Allah khayran.

    Answer:Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.

    In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

    All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

    Dear brother in Islam, we congratulate you for reverting to Islam and commend you for your desire to know the Islamic teachings. We implore Allah Almighty to help us serve His cause and render our work for His Sake.

    Islam certainly allows its adherents to pray for their non-Muslim relatives and friends who are still living. However, this is not the case for dead relatives and friends if we are certain that they died in disbelief. In case we are not sure about the faith they died in, we can make a general supplication for those who died in Islam and hence they will be included in our supplication.

    Answering your questions,Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

    “We are certainly allowed to make du`a’ for our non-Muslim relatives and friends who are living; we can pray for them for their health, wellbeing and guidance. But the most important prayer that we can do for them is to pray for their guidance to the path of Islam; we must do so on a continuous basis. Our prayer for guidance for them should be complemented by our earnest efforts to persuade them to embrace Islam through wisdom and beautiful preaching. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “If a single person were to be guided to the right way through your efforts that would be better for you than owning the whole world as a treasure!”

    As for our non-Muslim relatives or friends who have died, we are not allowed to pray for them if we know for a certain fact that they have died in disbelief:

    Allah says, “It is not fitting for the Prophet and the believers to pray for the forgiveness of the polytheists, even though they may be near kin (to them) after it has become clear them that they are the people of Hell.” (At-Tawbah: 113)

    Since, according to Islam, every person is responsible for the choice he has made in life, and he has chosen the path of disbelief, we are not to pray for his forgiveness. If, however, we are not sure what kind of faith they died in, then we are allowed to offer the following general prayer which includes all believers. If they had died in faith they would certainly be included in it; let Allah be the judge:

    Allahumma ighfir li al-mu’minia wa al-mu’minat, al-ahya’ minhum wa al-amwat: (O Allah, forgive all believers, males and females, those who are living and those who have died).

    We may also pray in the manner of Prophet `Isa (Jesus—peace be upon him), who prayed to Allah concerning the Christians who associated him in the worship of Allah:

    “If you punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, You are the August, the Wise.” (Al-Ma’idah: 118)

    So there you go – you should only pray that they become Muslims. Great.

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  61. Aeria
    February 20, 2007 at 11:17 am

    Eva’s right. Why is religion being confused with ideological domination?

    As a non-Muslim though, I’d like to know if Islam allows believers to interpret and form their own relation to God, eschewing dogma and ideology and independent of interference from the clergy.
    I mean, religions like Hinduism and Buddhism allow believers to selectively apply and follow only those teachings and philosophies that they agree with and ignore the rest.

    Does Islam allow followers to adopt a similarly independent approach towards forging a personal relationship with God? I think Islam does permit this, because a lot of Sufi saints were remarkably free of dogma.
    Or is it that Sufism is not really accepted by mainstream Islamic schools of thought ?(Deobandis, Wahabis etc?)
    Another question — are the Hadiths sacrosanct?Are they to be taken literally or are they open to interpretation?
    Hope someone can answer my questions!

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  62. leo
    February 20, 2007 at 1:09 pm

    Zvi @ 61

    I am not sure what you mean but thank you for the answer anyway.

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  63. Renée
    February 21, 2007 at 4:39 am

    Damn, this just breaks my heart. I’ve sent emails. I don’t know what else to do to help this poor guy. :-(

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  64. kinzi
    February 21, 2007 at 6:54 am

    Aeria, hopefully a Muslim will come back and answer better than I can, but from what I can see and have read there is no room in Islam for selectively applying doctrine. The whole point of it is having rules for every aspect of life tht are quite strict. As a Christian, who enjoys an intimate personal relationship with Jesus Christ, I don’t see the closeness…Allah in Islam is so holy and far that He can’t be known and experienced.

    Sufism I know nothing of, but I have heard many New Age types in the West have embraced it because of the individuality if it. But it would be a contradiction of true Islam.

    The Quran is sacred to them, but there are ‘strong’ hadiiths and ‘weak’ hadiiths. This is confusing to me, perhaps someone else will explain.

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  65. Aeria
    February 21, 2007 at 4:52 pm

    Thanks Kinzi, for sharing what you know of “the Faith” :)

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  66. Renée
    February 22, 2007 at 1:44 pm

    EGYPT: POPULAR BLOGGER SENTENCED TO FOUR YEARS JAIL

    Cairo, 22 Feb. (AKI) One of Egypt’s best known bloggers, Abdel Kareem Nabil Soleiman Kareem, has been sentenced to four years jail for insulting Islam and the president Hosni Mubarak. An Alexandria court handed down a three year sentence for “inciting hate against Islam” and an extra year in prison for “insulting the head of state”. Kareem, 22, has been detained since November because of comments published in his on-line diary. He is the first blogger in Egypt to be charged for his writings and his case has been followed closely at home and abroad.

    Last week there were protests against his detention in front of Egyptian embassies in various countries.

    The “Free Kareem” movement has been collecting digital signatures from Internet users around the globe to petition for his release.

    Egyptian and international human rights groups have said they fear this case could pave the way for the persecution of other blogggers in Egypt, where the media is largely government controlled.

    In 2006, Egypt was included for the first time in the blacklist of countries considered enemies of the Internet and freedom of expression, drawn up by the press freedom watchdog, Reporters without Borders.

    http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=CultureAndMedia&loid=8.0.388969088&par=0

    (Ale/Aki)

    Feb-22-07 13:45

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  67. canard
    February 22, 2007 at 6:59 pm

    Quelle horreur que cette loi, quelle horreur que ces parents lèches culs d’un gouvernement de fous.

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  68. Kevin Andrew Murphy
    February 24, 2007 at 5:07 pm

    If “inciting hatred of Islam” is the crime, perhaps they might also arrest Egypt’s president? Because while I generally don’t give a fig about Islam one way or the other, when I hear about crap like this, it quickly falls to the bottom of the list of religions I’d want to deal with, let alone belong to.

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  69. Leo73
    February 24, 2007 at 6:09 pm

    This shows why the Islam must not win. The goal of the Islam is to be the only rule in the entire world, to oppress mankind for eternity under a speculative, ruthless, totalitarian entity called “Allah”. This is what the fundamentalists want: hell on earth, forever. An eternal Dark Age where freedom of speech is a sin, free-mindedness is a sin, any difference from the Islamic norm is a sin, hands are hacked off, eyes are destroyed by pouring acid on them, unbelievers are mutilated, oppressed, slaughtered.

    And I see nothing that contradicts this.

    Ban Islam from Europe, ban Islam from the entire Western world. If there are moderate or even liberal muslims, then why are they so quiet? They shall demostrate against the extremists! I want to see them openly and clearly condemning the extremists, but nobody says anything.

    At the very least I want demonstrations when yet another muslim kills dozens by blowing up himself.

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  70. Basil Fawlty
    February 24, 2007 at 7:15 pm

    Sandmonkey-you’re on BoingBoing.net as well.

    This is saddening beyond words but I’d like to point a few things out:

    1. The sentence is likely the actions of a lower court trying to kiss up. The kid stands a good chance on appeal, once Hosni & Co. start feeling the heat from the US and the International Community. Keep sending your support and don’t let his name be forgotten.
    2. The father disowning his kid is abominable, but please don’t discount propoganda; it could very well be fabricated by the local media. I’m not saying Egyptian parents are beyond this (they’re not) but the media is famous for statements like this that are aimed at giving the impression that the government’s decision enjoy popular support. Take it with a grain of salt.
    3. Egypt is beyond repair; only a revolution can fix the endemic corruption, nepotism, cronyism, bigotry and autocracy. It’s the way of the world and every country has been through it. We’re just backwards at the moment but this doesn’t make us backward people, to be written off.

    And if you’re convinced the problem is Islam (as Ayan Hirsi Ali seems to be) or Arabs (as most of Americans seem to be), then you’re taking a very narrow view of things. All organized ideology are capable of being hijacked and corrupted…it just so happens that at this time in history, it’s our time to get shafted and blamed for the ills of the world.

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  71. Abiodun
    February 24, 2007 at 8:40 pm

    I really get fed up with this talk of moderate or radical islam! The reality is that islam is only a peaceful religion that co-exist with other religions as long as the others are willing to accept their inferior “status”, pay levies and taxes. And guys like this blogger get presecuted for exposing islam for what it is! When will the islamic world face the fact that it is backward? When was the last time a nobel laureate came out of the islamic world? When will the leaders of the islamic world deal with the despondency, poverty and subjugation of their own peoples? Any leader in the Arab world instals a cult of personality and family succession after him. What is the complicity of the western world in some of the ills in the islamic world? These I believe are some of the issues that need to be addressed in the islamic world if we will begin to have a honest conversation. And please don’t anyone call me names, I am only asking some hard questions..

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  72. Hard To Swallow
    February 25, 2007 at 8:41 am

    This is a very sad story. God bless Kareem and keep him safe, he will be free someday.

    absurd thought-
    God of the Universe says
    surrender to jihad

    sell out your great grandchildren
    so theirs live Taliban life
    .

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  73. bob
    February 25, 2007 at 11:53 pm

    Isn’t islam wonderful…..

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  74. jimi
    February 25, 2007 at 11:56 pm

    Islam is an evil cult of death worshiping barbarians.
    Don’t get fooled into becoming Muslim or supporting them.

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  75. Urban Infidel
    February 26, 2007 at 12:16 am

    Disgusting.

    Maybe some good will come of this.

    There has to be some hope.

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  76. Joseph
    February 26, 2007 at 3:07 am

    Folks like Nasser never heard the expression, “The exception which proves the rule”!

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  77. familylaw
    March 5, 2007 at 8:30 pm

    This site deals with the family disowns and called the Human Rights organizations.
    familylaw

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