Rantings of a Sandmonkey
For hosting videos that insult Ataturk. The model secular islamic state everyone.
A free Islamic state will never be possible because leaders are deified in Islamic states and furthermore, no one may insult “deity”. Ironically, not very Islamic, huh?
at least that sounds like the laïcs have got a certain power, even if it isn’t in the freedom os speechs (pitchures), reaction vs religious power ?
What does that have to do with religion?
Inslulting Ataturk is a crime in Turkey.
yeah, might be, Ataturk isn’t Erdogan hero !
Enlighten me on why this have anything to do with Islam?
This poem, “When,” by a Saudi author is meant to describe Arab nations, but it seems it extends to all Muslim nations more or less:
How many stanzas apply to Turkey?
@ 3 & 5,
I am certainly not an expert on Turkish politics, whoever I will stand with them on this issue. Anyone who has been to Turkey know that Attaturk is the Father of modern Turkey. He is to the Turkish people, what Abramham Lincoln was to the American people. Up until recently no one ever insulted his memory either. ( Now is a different story.) We dont’ have a law that makes it illegal, but then we never had to. It was common courtesy. Attaturk changed his entire country, Lifting them out of the middle ages into the present day modern Turkey. He outlawing much that had been previously dictated by either faith or custom. The vail on women, the fez, poligomy, language, money and many other things to numerous to mention.
It sounds to me as if someone was trying to get a reaction from the Turkish people and No one but the Greeks know how to do that best. (Aren’t they applying for membership of EU, again)
speculations, speculations, speculations. will never happen. Has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
@10, might be, how do you know ?
The situation is more complex than it seems. Ataturk is a very, VERY, secular muslim. The army worships him, and keeps the government at arms length, also worshipping him.
The problem is that islamic government parties are trying to villify him. Not because they hate him, but to destabilize the morality of the army, which will then allow them to install their own new military (which is what happened last time, so don’t say they won’t succeed).
So in fact, this was a misguided act trying to keep turkey’s islamists at bay. It was truly an act that is meant to protect the current state of Turkey, as it currently exists.
Ataturk is the symbol of all that stands between Turkey and theocracy. Unfortunately that’s the truth. So, while I’m very ambivalent about this, I still think it’s a wrong move.
it was a spat between greeks and Turks. Ataturk and turks were called gay.
The whole thing is so immature.
I get it. Greece took on Turkey in an internet flame war, and won, chasing Turkey out of Youtube.
gr33c3: UR teh ghey
7urk3y: no im not
gr33c3: yes UR, 1 s4w ur dadsuck1ng c0ck
7urk3y: no w4y!
gr33c3: LOL, 1 gots video OMG
Your probably right. The point I was making was Greece probably doesn’t want Turkey in the European Union and to get them irritated enough to do something irresponsible as seen by EU is not a good thing, but serves Greece purpose
It continues to amaze me that governments pass laws against “insulting” politicians, countries, inanimate objects, etc.
Hate speech, revisionism and pornography are one thing, but how destructive to society is it really if someone is simply being obnoxious and insulting?
Politicians who can’t take a little mocking should find another career; they HAVE to know that even if they aren’t mocked on TV, they are mocked by millions of people in private conversation….
Abraham Lincoln was to the American people
Actually, Lincoln is really still despised in the deep south. In South Carolina, they still refer to the US Civil War as “The War of Northern Aggression”. In general, Lincoln is a non-subject down there.
And the KKK is still active probably. The North won maybe somone should get them to revise their history.
Shouldn’t we praise Mustafa Kemal? At least I do. Without him we might have another Iran-like regime next door to Europe, just more powerful.
All this is childish on the Greek side and hysterical on the Turkish. I would not be surprized if the video makers was bunch of pubescents with nothing better to do. But Turks, blocking youtube?
so what does this have to do with Islam ?
Are the Turkish Islami-nuts trying to block youtube, or are they really trying to block potential EU membership?
funny how he brought Islam into this
1- Ataturk is considered an enemy of Islam by the vast majority of Muslims
2- last year the president of Turkey protested when Condoleezza Rice called Turkey “Islamic country”
3- Turkey block Youtube because it broadcast videos insulting Ataturk (read #1)
4- somehow Sandmonkey find this news an opportunity to bash the secular “Islamic” Turkey (please read #2)
what were you trying to say, monkey? that you are the missing link between humans and apes?
Every right thinking person would condemn Turkey for banning YouTube but it certainly isn’t evidence against Turkey’s secularism. As everyone has already pointed out, Ataturk is practically a figurehead for the idea of a secular state with a muslim population.
Anyway doesn’t anyone else find it funny that the Greeks are accusing others of being gay? After all, they invented gayness.
It’s not so much the Greeks, it’s the Armenians.
Do a search on Youtube. There’s a whole bunch of of anti-Turkish Armenian clips (most set to the System of a Down song ‘Holy Mountain’). There’s one that shows pictures of several of the Young Turk leaders with the text “responsible for genocide” next to it, and then a picture of Attaturk with the same text. Another part of the clip shows a picture of Attaturk when the song goes “liar, killer, demon”.
So who’s better to know?
Easy now. You can disagree without saying that your opponent is stupid, evil, or as was the case in your comment, another species.
Very funny! Is it just me, or is L337 just about the most pointless things to hit pop culture since the pet rock?
out of purpose… well, who knows !
and in the memory of a dorkwad …
Armenians are very much anti-Turk. Evidently, the Turkish Govenrment will not apologize for the alleged, or actual Genocide of their Armenian population in the early 1900. I don’t know the actual date. But anyway its something that remains an open wound. Why do so many people live in the past. I know one should remember their history,but that is so that they will know their mistakes and not repeat them. Not use that for hate other unpleasantries.
Turkey Revokes YouTube Ban
“Armenians are very much anti-Turk. Evidently, the Turkish Govenrment will not apologize for the alleged, or actual Genocide of their Armenian population in the early 1900.”
During WWI, and it’s not “alleged” anymore than what the Nazis did in WWII is “alleged”. It’s established historical fact, and in many European countries (for example France) it’s against the law to deny it happened, just like it is against the law to deny what happened during WWII.
Also, it wasn’t just against the Armenians. Most of the Greeks, Syriacs and Assyrians who lived in Anatolia were also either killed or driven away. I’m half-Assyrian, and my grandparents were among those who survived those events. My dad’s uncle was one of the Assyrian Patriarch’s guards when the Patriarch was murdered along with his entire guard in 1917.
The christian population in the area that became Turkey after WWI dropped, between 1914 and 1920, from about 2.5 million (from Turkish sources, which tended to undercount Christian groups) to a couple of hundred thousand.
And it’s not that they won’t apologize. It’s that they deny it happened, and they’ve made it a crime punishable with prison to talk about what happened.
yes Punique, that’s one of the main reasons we can’t accept them in EU
yes that is one of the main reasons we can’t accept them in EU
hey, there is a problem, I can’t see my posts
yeah, EU know that
oh shit, I had to remove my IP
I couldn’t see my post either when I posted it before. I thought it diappeared, and I didn’t feel like rewriting. It’s just now that I was able to see it.
By the way, from Youtube, on Turkish author Orhan Pamuk and what happened when he dared speak about what happened then:
Very funny! Is it just me, or is L337 just about the most pointless things to hit pop culture since the pet rock?”
No, leet ftw!!!
If you have personally witnessed, or had relatives that were involved with such an atrosity, it would be hard for you to turn the other cheek. I wasn’t trying to downplay what had happened. If it seemed that was the point. It wasn’t. My point is similar to the United States still fighting their civil war after how long…They still call it the “Northern Rebellion” in some Southern States. My point was it’s history. learn from it.
It’s not what happened that is the real problem. It’s what is still happening today.
I understand that the Turkish state doesn’t want to have to deal with demands for money, or even land, by the Armenians, but they got themselves in this mess on their own. They can’t keep this up forever.
I mean, take the Israeli-Palestinian issue. It’s been one of the main issues in the world for 60 years, with no ending in sight. As far as I’m concerned, what happened to the Palestinians in 1948 is an extremely minor issue in comparison. As far as I know Israel never tried rounding up 100.000s of Palestinians, killed the males, and sent the women and children on a forced march through mountains and desert, out of the area they intended for their state only to then, in more cases than not, kill them or sell them as wives to the local Bedouins. I’m pretty sure nothing even remotely close to this ever happened to the Palestinians.
No one is demanding the eradication of the Turkish state, and with the exception of a few political assassinations carried out by Armenian leftist groups in the 70s, there has been no terrorism against the Turks. Yet we don’t have governments in the region and leftists all over the world demanding our “right of return” to our grandparents’ ancestral villages in eastern Anatolia. But maybe that’s exactly why.
The reaction in the Arab world to Orhan Pamuk winning the Nobel prize was especially telling in the immense hypocrisy it revealed. Especially since they were also victims of Ottoman oppression at that same time.
With all of this said though, a lot of clips I’ve seen on Youtube that are anti-Turkish cross the boundary into just being plain racist, which is naturally wrong.
More services like http://www.strongvpn.com will pop up as users try to get a outside handle on governmental controls.
There’s really no effective way to block sites, so not sure why they are trying.
“And it’s not that they won’t apologize. It’s that they deny it happened, and they’ve made it a crime punishable with prison to talk about what happened.” Its funny how you will be convicted in european countries such as Sweden and France when you say “Armenian Genocide never happened” , but in Turkey you can say it DID happened unlike what most of you think, orman pamuk was not charge with that but the crime of insulting Turkishness. Most people dont even know Turkey’s stance on this issue. Turkey has been calling Armenian and international historians/scientist to dispute Armenian Genocide, but nobody attended but one armenian historian who later said: “im not so sure now”. turkey opens ottoman archives (+1 million documents) but Armenia does not, and not only this document but we also refer to very documents by armenians and russian (they cooperated in 1915), also a book by Armenia’s first president! France who has been criticising us does not open their archives of Algerian Genocide, how hypocritical is that? Anyways, im not trying to prove it didnt happend but im trying to make fellow unprejudiced people that this subject is not proven but on dispute, please please think again before you condemn a whole nation!!! If you want to prove the existance of the genoceide then go ahead and do it because over the 90 years no one hasnt!
Wow! A whole bunch of ignorant idiots misunderstanding the cicrumstances and events! I’ve had fun reading the comments, thanks…
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