Off To Turkey

Will be in Istanbul tomorrow and the majoirty of next week. If any of you are from there, e-mail me!

27 Comments on Off To Turkey

  1. Kurt (Childe Roland)
    April 13, 2007 at 10:37 am

    Beware of blond men named “Mustapha” who want you to bend over and look for their contact lenses. Watch that ass, now!

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  2. Kurt (Childe Roland)
    April 13, 2007 at 10:39 am

    Beware of blond men named “Mustapha.” They just wanna hit that hairy ass.

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  3. Egypeter
    April 13, 2007 at 3:43 pm

    Make sure you stay in Sultanahmet square if you don’t have a place yet. Just walking distance from Haghia Sophia and the Blue Mosque…

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  4. Spellz
    April 13, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    :D
    Just bring me some peanuts :D aah w kinafaa :D
    Hey if u needed any help one of my best frnds lives in Istanbul

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  5. Melissa in NorCal
    April 13, 2007 at 4:44 pm

    I will go see Turkey when they acknowledge the Armenian Genocide. I went to a lecture last night and Professor Fatma Muge Gocek gave a great lecture on the Genocide and the process of denial. My family shall never get our beautiful villa in Tarsus back. Who knows who lives there now. They are lucky. We will never recover our land and buildings in Konya either. Nonetheless, Professor Gocek helped me realize two things. It is the Government who is in denial because they are evil. The people are in denial because they truly don’t know what happened back then. They have never had access to scholarly material. Ever since I was little, I thought all Turks knew and just hated Armenians so much they denied it because they knew it cut us to the bone and tore our hearts out, but now I know. In order for them to acknowledge their past, they must learn it. I hugged her and it felt really good. Peace at last, even if it is a small grain of Peace sand on a vast beach.

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  6. juicyfruit
    April 13, 2007 at 6:55 pm

    Have a good trip, my friend.

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  7. BrooklynJon
    April 14, 2007 at 4:36 am

    Melissa,

    If past is prologue, you won’t be going to Turkey anytime soon. I don’t think recognition of their past atrocities is high on the Turkish national “To Do” list.

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  8. Rancher
    April 14, 2007 at 6:34 am

    “If any of you are from there, e-mail me!”

    I’ve been called a turkey, does that count?

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  9. tommy
    April 14, 2007 at 7:17 am

    May the force be with you.

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  10. John Cunningham
    April 14, 2007 at 1:59 pm

    Been reading the papers. Off to Turkey to express freedom of thought?

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  11. yochanan
    April 15, 2007 at 12:33 pm

    melisia my step father was a refuge from that genocide, and my wife’s family was mostly butchered in the german one.

    I am currently worried about the nut case in Iran repeating my family’s crapy history as i have a grand daughter just out side of Jerusalem.

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  12. BrooklynJon
    April 15, 2007 at 6:56 pm

    yochanan,

    There seems to be a common denominator there. G-d willing, your concern (and mine) will prove to be unfounded.

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  13. Turkish
    April 15, 2007 at 11:35 pm

    how is the co called Armenian genocide related to this? and why do you believe that people who have a different historical opinion from you are evil?

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  14. yochanan
    April 16, 2007 at 2:58 am

    in unison from todays turks what armenian genocide

    well turk the genocide you did on the armeanians

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  15. meeshlr
    April 16, 2007 at 3:28 am

    How is this historical opinion? You can’t just deny a documented fact and then say “well, that’s my opinion and it’s just as valid as your opinion.”

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  16. Mark
    April 16, 2007 at 4:55 am

    Yeah, I have a hard time thinking that people who deny the Armenian genocide are evil. If anything they have a strong desire to be “good” and attaching a genocide to one’s history makes it harder to view oneself as good. Regardless, all those who participated in the genocide are probably long dead. People have hard lives as it is without making them liable for the actions of others.

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  17. Doubting Thomas
    April 16, 2007 at 8:14 pm

    You mean you are off to Constantinople tomorrow and next week. There is no ‘Istanbul’

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  18. koko
    April 16, 2007 at 8:34 pm

    History is something constructed, too. Your proven fact can be proven to be wrong by some other historians unless there are undeniable facts, findings, tolls etc on the issue. I know of Turkish and European historians who accept the Ottomans’ responsibility for the deed but decline to call it ‘genocide’ which is a heavy accusation by giving a complex set of reasons for that. Anyway, we all have to face our past, on both sides. I really understand how tough it must have been for the Armenian, not to mention the emotional devastation. I heard of stories told by the friends’ grandparents, who had witnessed some mournful deeds, on how much Armenians of the era had suffered. However, there are also similar stories told by Turks of the ‘cruel’ acts committed against Turks by the Armenian during the Ottoman-Russian War. So… I don’t know.. This is a very controversial issue and I cannot comment on it since I haven’t read books, worked on the archives etc. And.. I am afraid to say anything that can hurt someone since this is also a very heart-breaking issue. In my opinion, writing of history should be left to the historians who would carry out a thorough research after accessing the archives of both sides, and evaluating all the relevant data on the issue.

    By the way, Melissa,

    Have you read ‘The Bastard of Istanbul’ written by that awesome Turkish author, Elif Safak? (Please don’t remind me of that trial! So shameful…). To better understand ignorance-innocence-conception of history-memory of Turks, I highly recommend you to read this novel. I hope you can find some answers as I did.

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  19. R
    April 16, 2007 at 8:46 pm

    I have 3 word for you … “Mid Night Express”

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  20. R
    April 16, 2007 at 8:47 pm

    I have 2 words for ya … “Midnight Express”

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  21. BrooklynJon
    April 17, 2007 at 5:40 am

    There are three types of people in this world: Those who understand math, and those who don’t.

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  22. Melissa in NorCal
    April 17, 2007 at 6:07 am

    Turkish: how is the co called Armenian genocide related to this? and why do you believe that people who have a different historical opinion from you are evil?

    By you calling it the “so called Genocide”, you admit you believe it a myth and therefore, are in denial. It happened, there is no denying it. I never said the people are evil. In fact, if you read my post, you’d see I feel the oppsosite now. I feel they need to confront their past honestly as we have the Genocide of the American Indians and our part in slavery. We have acknowledged both and done what we can to remedy it. You can’t go back, only forward. History when viewed from a multitude of sources declares this chapter in Ottoman history Genocide by all internationally accepted definitions of it. It isn’t okay to have a “different opinion” on history, it is called “denial”.

    To Koko: I’m not Armenian or Turkish. My family member was an American who went there to run an outpost hospital in Konia that eventually turned into an orphanage from necessity. All were cared for within the walls. My great-great aunt Emma was in charge of that place. She wrote dispatches frequently on behalf of the Armenians who were being slaughtered. Turks were bringing in children off the streets. The kids parents were dead and the Turks cared enough to try and save them. Yet many Turks came claiming that certain Armenian children were theirs and produced fake birth certificates. My aunt blew the whistle on this. She saved more than 10,000 Armenian children by caravaning them out in secret to the coast to be put on boats bound for new homes all over the world. She was in Turkey for more than 30 years. The Turks imprisoned her for helping Armenian children, not “Armenian rebels”, but children and women. They tortured my aunt. She never came home. She died. All we have are letters, stories, and foreign documents she sent to authorities at the time. It was a Genocide.

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  23. yochanan
    April 17, 2007 at 10:06 pm

    melisa my step father got out of this as a very young boy your ancestor my have saved mine

    g-d bless you

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