Done

Today is going to be the day that I've been dreading for quite sometime now. Today is the day I walk away from this blog. Done. Finished.

There are many reasons, each would take a post to list, and I just do not have the energy to list them. As anyone who has been reading this blog for the past  month, I think it is apparent that things are not the same with me. There are reasons for that:

One of the chief reasons is the fact that there has been too much heat around me lately. I no longer believe that my anonymity is kept, especially with State Secuirty agents lurking around my street and asking questions about me since that day. I ignore that, the same way I ignored all the clicking noises that my phones started to exhibit all of a sudden, or  the law suit filed by Judge Mourad on my friends, and instead grew bolder and more reckless at a time where everybody else started being more cautious. It took me a while to take note of the fear that has been gripping our little blogsphere and comprehend what it really means. The prospects for improvment, to put it slightly, look pretty grim. I was the model of caution, and believing in my invincipility by managing not to get arrested for the past 2 and a half years, I've grown reckless. Stupid Monkey. Stupid!

And speaking of the state of the egyptian blogsphere, it has been pretty depressing in its own right. One has to wonder at some point the futulity of being a keyboard warrior in a country where nothing seems to matter to its people anymore. At the same time, there has been those amongst us who have loved the fame and the attention, and are now becoming the egyptian blogsphere's equivelant of Paris Hilton: They are famous for being famous, peddling the same stories and not really presenting anything of value to the debate. And then there is the fact that we are entering the "Iconogrphy" phase : We are becoming Icons. Too much Media attention, too many american organizations claiming to champion our causes while they are cashing out in donation from people gullible enough to believe them, too much hype generated by us and others, so many of us tooting our own horns and even crying wolf at times has made Icons of us. We now have young bloggers who come up to many of us "Old Guard" and tell us how they are such great fans of ours, and how we are their role models and heroes and how they are starting to blog because of our "courageous example". And there are those of us who are buying into it, taking in undertsudies to placate our big heads, hooking up with groupies to feed our egos, acting as if we are the warriors for change we are made up to be and forgetting why we started blogging to begin with. It seems that we are entering a state of transformation, and we should either 1) evolve, take the next step whatever it is, 2) stay the way we are and risk becoming carricatures of ourselves or 3) quit. Not knowing what the next step is, and needing time and space to figure it out, I chose the only other option that made sense: I quit!

So here comes my apology to those of you who read me: I am sorry. I really can't continue to do this. You guys have been the best readers anyone could hope for, altough there are some of you who made me come close to shutting down the comments section many many times. I love you all for everything you have done for me, for all of the egyptian blogsphere. When I asked for your help, you gave us more than a helping hand. You cared. You gave a damn about a bunch of egyptians who had a dream to be free and stood by us in our houres of need. For that you are my heroes, and I can not possibly thank you enough.

May the day comes when I rant once again….

Love you all,

The Sandmonkey  

Comments

  1. John Cunningham says:

    There’s an undercurrent of noise that bad things are about to happen in Egypt. I don’t know, it could be just noise. There must be an ex-pat Egyptian society over here. Perhaps New York. New York will totally amaze you. Don’t worry, the pyramids will still be there when you get back.

  2. It’s been great, Sandmonkey, but you gotta be safe. Maybe you should take John’s advise and get out.

  3. This is going to be sad. I was hoping that blogs would be able to overcome barriers, but I forgot what it was to live in a dictatorship.

    What is there to say? Come back any time!

    Best,

  4. Uchuck the Tuchuck says:

    Dammit!

  5. Cry …cry …cry …..bey bey big hug to you

  6. I’ve been a long-time reader, but this is my first time commenting.

    Just wanted to say, whatever issues I may disagree with you on, you’ve provided a great insight into my homeland-of-origin every day. It must have taken a lot of courage and effort; we’re lucky that you’ve managed to keep doing this for as long as you have.

    So thank you, take care, and all the best. Hope to see you on the ‘sphere again someday.

  7. He who fights and runs away, may live to fight another day.

    Hugs.

  8. A small flicker of light in the middle east goes out… :(

    Good luck Sam! Let’s hear from you again soon!

  9. Really sad to read that :( … I just emailed you for the first time today, suggesting an alternative idea of blogging sorta or being in opposition in general.
    email me your response if you want.

  10. I’m going to miss you, Sam. Stay safe. And come back soon.

  11. sad, I was almost getting in use to recognize the members of this cosmpolitan place ; during this past year, I have learn a lot, I met some people whom I never thought that would happen, and for whom I hope it’s reciprocal ; well, take time to think about your future and your safety ; don’t forget to let us know what you’ll become

  12. Thank you Sam for allyou have done to increase our education of life in Egypt. If you can ever get the visa thing to work, you have a room here…
    Apply to SUNY Stony Brook for a Masters degree. We live up the street. Take it from there.
    My whole family wishes you the best.

  13. We’ll miss you Sam. But most of us would rather hear this than get the word that you were in prison. You’ve got our addresses. If you restart, give us a call. And even now I say, be careful.

  14. God, it’s great to be an American. We don’t appreciate free speech enough. Wish you were American too. Thanks for all you’ve done/written. May it not be in vain.

  15. Adam Lakeman-Turner says:

    I’ve been reading this blog regularly since June last year, I found your posts to (almost always) be witty, intelligent, informative, and showing a vastly different perspective on the Middle East than what the Mainstream Media likes to show. Good luck with whatever you choose to do now, and may you blog again in better times.

    Cheers
    Adam Lakeman-Turner

  16. My comment did not show up. Please excuse if I double post. I said:

    God, it’s great to be an American. We take free speech for granted and people we disagree with annoy us but we are free to speak. What a great country.

    I hope all you’ve done and written is not in vain. Wish you were an American too. Take care.

  17. Sandmonkey,

    I’ve been following middle-east affairs for over a year now, and have been truly impressed how you have articulated your views to your countrymen and the international community with such bravery, honesty and excellent writing skill. It is extremely sad that your voice has been silenced.

    You will be missed. Good luck!!!

  18. Sandmonkey, I cannot tell you how terribly sad I am that there won’t be anymore ranting monkey roaming Egypt. I will go to Cairo for some research soon and frankly do not know how to cope without your ruminations then.
    As hard as it will be to do without your wonderful blog (despite your position on Sarko, mind you!), I really think that your safety comes first. Do take care, do not despair, there are better times ahead and I firmly believe that it is people like you who make things happen. Should you ever be in need of a place to stay in Berlin, you are most welcome.

    All the very best + keep strutting!

  19. BChoinski says:

    I have not been a reader for long, not ever commented until now, but I’m sorry to see you leaving the ‘sphere due to the circumstances around you. Hopefully you will be able to start again once conditions in your country improve.

    Good luck and stay safe.

  20. Sandmonkey:

    I run the Small Wonder web site in the U.S. (www.smallwonder.tv) and I’d be happy to freely erect a mirror Sandmonkey web site over here for you to email material to from anywhere over there so to reproduce your blog without being cornered in one place. I can’t promise I can reconstruct it as beautifully as you’ve done yours but at least you’ll have an outlet to continue with. You can contact me via jimwg@mac.com or from the Small Wonder page’s fan forum.

    It’s a damn shame and sign when a whole government’s so intimidated by a web site!

    Keep your chin up and flag high!

    James Greenidge

  21. Rightmom says:

    I just want to thank you for giving me insight to your part of the world and taking risks that no one would ever feel is a risk in this country. I think a lot of people in the US are so misguided when they believe that our country is evil and yet when fine people such as yourself are forced to not speak the truth we find that indeed we are lucky to have been born in the most free country in the world. I feel blessed to have been born here and I am distressed when I find that others do not enjoy the same freedoms I do. I hope that you will find such freedoms in the years to come and will pray for that day for you and all of your brothers and sisters in the Middle East.

  22. God speed, Ya SM,

    Maybe when the heat is off you could come back under a new name and blog. May God help you with the blog withdrawal symptoms :-) .

    Salam ya bob……

    Neshoofak 3ala 7′eir ya she2ee2…

  23. Karla Lalla says:

    That sucks! Just when I was getting ready to delurk in order to argue with you about NIN being “punk rock.”
    Why don’t you start a private mail group on Yahoo? I’m sure a lot of people here would like to continue conversing…

  24. Einherjar says:

    I’ve been reading your blog since the cartoon debacle, though I’m not much for commenting. You and BP have been my principal source for news from the middle east west of Iraq for some time now. You will be missed.

    How about a last shout out of other political/cultural middle eastern bloggers? You’re leaving a vacum.

  25. Do not let them win. Continue the fight!

  26. No!
    You are my eye in egypt.
    I’ve just started reading.
    I’m just a student of the mideast, and you are a valuable teacher.

    May Jesus Bless You,

  27. Another brilliant voice has gone down, because of governmental pressure. It’s a shame. SM, do always know that we’re here for you, and if you can come back to the blogosphere, someday, we’ll still be here for you.

    I know it wouldn’t be easy, but try to look into the whole visa thing. Whatever your choice, always know that there will be a place for you here in America, and the American blogosphere.

    Best Regards,

    Brennan
    AmerPundit.com

  28. SoCalJustice says:

    Oh man. A truly dark day.

    I’m literally getting on a plane in an hour and a half – headed to the Middle East, and you are one of my favorites from the region, SM.

    Even if I don’t comment on every thread (usually for time – not interest – issues), I’ve read everyone since I’ve found your blog, as it’s become one of my daily stops on the net.

    Just because you’re stopping (hopefully temporarily), please don’t stop writing. If I can make a suggestion: write a book. You will still have a forum for creative outlet, you can do it quietly and anonymously without external threat – and when you’re done with it, maybe (i know, i know) the situation will have changed significantly enough that going public won’t be such a bad thing.

    But you are too talented to let the thuggery keep you down.

    All the best and I truly hope to come here in the not too distant future and see either a post titled:

    “Done. NOT!”

    or just a series of post because you’ve changed your mind.

    Best of luck in whatever you choose to do. This is a pretty dark day, though.

    SCJ

  29. attributor says:

    Best of luck to you Sam. I’d love to see you back in Boston at some point. Too bad there are so many assholes in the world–but then again, what would keep us going if there were not?
    KEEP ON KEEPIN’ ON, SANDMONKEY

  30. SoCalJustice says:

    hooking up with groupies to feed our egos

    You say that like it’s a bad thing…

    You’ve changed, man.

    Seriously, I’m actually a little depressed at this – I’m getting a de ja vu feeling of the whole Dave Chappelle incident.

    You have to do what is best for you, of course, but “evolve, take the next step whatever it is” sounds better than quitting.

    Yes, there are issues. But you’ve identified them – and self-awareness is an underrated ability – it can help you get past all of it.

    Be more cautious (including of some of my fellow Americans who might be using you), don’t buy into the hype that you yourself have identified as a problem, take adulation (although well-deserved) in stride, be more choosy with your groupies (is this really all this is? woke up one morning after some serious beer goggling, felt dirty, and had to hang it up?), and continue being a voice of reason and reform – and the usual hilarity!

    I respect your decision – but will miss your blog.

    If you’re ever in Washington D.C. – feel free to email.

    Best of luck, SM!

  31. SoCalJustice says:

    hooking up with groupies to feed our egos

    You say that like it’s a bad thing…

    You’ve changed, man.

    Seriously, I’m actually a little depressed at this – I’m getting a de ja vu feeling of the whole Dave Chappelle incident.

    You have to do what is best for you, of course, but “evolve, take the next step whatever it is” sounds better than quitting.

    Yes, there are issues. But you’ve identified them – and self-awareness is an underrated ability – it can help you get past all of it.

    Be more cautious (including of some of my fellow Americans who might be using you), don’t buy into the hype that you yourself have identified as a problem, take adulation (although well-deserved) in stride, be more choosy with your groupies (is this really all this is? woke up one morning after some serious beer goggling, felt dirty, and had to hang it up?), and continue being a voice of reason and reform – and the usual hilarity!

    I respect your decision – but will miss your blog.

    Best of luck, SM!

  32. Sandspur says:

    It is with heavy heart I learned of your decision to stop blogging.
    Thank you for your courage and for providing much good information.You will be greatly missed and never forgotten.
    I will hold you in my heart and pray for you always.

  33. LGratton says:

    I just discovered you and you are shutting down. May God bless you and watch over you and may Egypt become a nation that allows the freedom that all individuals should possess. It is no accident that the Fist Amendment in the US Constitution is Freedom of Speech – - we are now trying to hold on to those rights with the understanding that “eternal vigilence is the price of freedom.”

    Will look for you again, pray soon….. from upstate New York…..

  34. Dammit! This news is just breaking my heart. Sandmonkey, you are a beautiful person, and I’ve really enjoyed every minute I’ve spent here. Your personality, your wit, your keen eye for the ridiculous, would make you a perfect fit as a commentator on FOX news over here in the States, seriously! It breaks my heart to know that a F’d up government causes people to be deprived of gems like you.

    After all this time reading here, I feel like I’m losing family. Your “family discussion” posts have had me laughing until I’ve had tears in my eyes. I’ve prayed for you and your family, and I’ve learned so much. YOU have been such a huge blessing to me, my husband, and so many other folks who’ve found a home here. Dammit! Sam, please take care of yourself, and if you can, from time to time, post somewhere (Michael J Totten’s blog, for instance) and let us all know that you are doing okay.

    :-(

  35. schratboy says:

    Egyptian government=feckless leaches of human liberty.

  36. jabkabatat says:

    I am a regular reader and extremely infrequent commenter (maybe once ?). But I have always admired your courage to continue with this blog in an environment very hostile to free speech. I certainly understand your decision to stop before you offend one too many governmental nitwits. Thank you for your blogging, and I hope to see you reincarnated somewhere soon.

  37. Take care my brother.

  38. Today is a sad day for the international blogger community! One of the most intelligent and courageous voices of the middle east is calling it quits.. you are such a gifted and smart person you will make your way! In a free country or in the industrialized west you would make it to the top! So why not move? Don’t waste your talent!

    I/we hope to hear from you in the not too distant future! All the best and take care!

  39. Mrs. Al Wahesh says:

    I don’t remember how I found your blog, but I started reading just after you started publishing. It’s been a blessing in many ways, because you’ve prepped me for some of the maddness that comes from marrying into an Egyptian family.

    walla, I’m going to miss you something fierce.

  40. It is not nice to make a grown man tear up Son.

    You keep your head down, our prayers and good wishes go with you.

  41. Lonevoice says:

    Well, damn…..I’ve enjoyed reading your work…

    Sorry to see you stop, but it’s understandable.
    I hope all is well with you and yours.

    Watch your six.

  42. Sam,

    Man, I’m really sad to hear this, but, as much as I have relied on stopping by your blog daily for an intoxicating shot of humor and trenchant analysis, your personal safety is more important to me. We at Iraqi Bloggers Central were one of the first blogs to promote you in the Iraqi blogosphere (Mojo J. Sandmokey Goes Super-Aggro Upside Raed’s Head (January 31, 2005) because you were simply one of the best, thoroughly unique, and refreshingly unpredictable blogs around.

    Also through IBC, here is Mister Ghost’s interview with Sandmonkey:

    The In T View: Sandmonkey (May 5, 2005).

    from your old pal, the Psycho Sicko American,

    Jeffrey

    *

  43. ninjafish says:

    t’was fun while it lasted O glorious Sand-simian! hopefully you can use this time to safely rest, regroup, and relaunch a new bigger, better, enterprise.

    the state dept is so gonna hear from me about their lack of support for you guys. poo on them >:(

  44. Egypeter says:

    NO!!!!!!!! Please say it isn’t so.

    I was afraid this moment would come sooner rather than later! SM, brother, I’ve been following your blog ever since the Egyptian elections two years back and I haven’t missed a post! And now you’re done. Where the hell am I gonna get the “real” news on Egypt???

    This sucks, but of course, I totally understand. It’s funny, I’ve never met you (yet) but I have been terribly concerned for your safety over the last couple of years. And considering that you DO live in Egypt, I understand the move. Plus, I’d imagine it’s really hard to keep up such an awesome blog, with a ton of content, for so long.

    Habibi – You will be sorely sorely missed! Take care of yourself and stay in touch.

    Until we meet…

  45. Schmetterfinn says:

    I’m so sad. Seriously will miss your writings monkey. Chapeau for everything you did and god bless you!

  46. WTF! I wish you well and hope to see you around the blogosphere (bloggatory) again someday soon. Perhaps another nom de plume? Let’s hope so. I have enjoyed your “rantings,” even though I’ve really only been a reader since this past fall. You have enlightened my outlook on Egyptian politics and I thank you for that. Good luck and stay safe.

  47. Heavy heart, lump in my throat, tears streaming down my face.

    I completely understand your reasons, but I can’t comprehend societies that tear the very heart out of it’s own peoples.

    Freedom loving people all over the world are in my prayers in my heart.

    {{{{{Sand Monkey}}}}}

  48. Ma Sands says:

    love you too ):

  49. eclectic infidel says:

    I’ll miss your rants, but safety comes first. Be well, stay safe.

  50. Good luck to you. Be safe, and I hope to hear from you again, maybe another blog at another time :)
    L8

  51. Take care man. A sad day this is, but you’re a good guy, so be safe!

  52. Well… I am going to miss the snarkyness . Time to use the emergency escape money huh.

  53. I’ve read your blog from the beggining and it’s sad for me to see you go. Hopefully you can work something out to continue. We all understand that it’s you life not ours that could be in danger.

    Best of luck wherever your path leads you.

  54. Hey Sandmonkey… think of it…

    “What resolve can torture break ?”

    and also think….”Will you be your answer to your children’s, when they will ask, why you let them into enslavement. why you gave up so early…”

    ————We got this democracy after too long struggle—————–

    there were few at imperial side, and few at victim side…. but today majority of world is democratic, they have been fooled by Media, by communist, and also by our politicians…. i know, its hard for you… but don’t give up hopes… there are still ways..

    here is something, perhaps it will help. though i m not nationalist… but think of democratic world…. every one is not made to follow blog way, some have to link, some have to fought in democratic front inside court… some had to fight in police and Army, and even some had to fight inside politics…. but come on, there is still space…. some one had to join democracies against Islamofacist states…. Hope you got… that there is still a lot of work… just you need to secure your friend circle… here is a small poem, from a indian revolutionary…. perhaps it will help.

    The desire of Sacrifice…now Rules our heart….
    Its time to test the power… of the enemy’s blade…
    come the time, we’ll leave… for the world to see…..
    What joy there is…. in obsession……
    in pursuit of the goal….The desire of Sacrifice..
    now rules our heart… The desire of Sacrifice….

    As we hang to..the last threads of Hope…
    trying to hold on to…..a dream we dream together
    What resolve can torture break ?
    What resolve can torture break ?

    The flame of Sacrifice..burns inside our hearts..
    Now put to test the strength…of our enemy blade.

    Did you see the writing in the skies ?
    Our resolve weakens the enemy…
    The spirit of Sacrifice…..

    In our blood we will etch our history,
    From the tyrants we shall redeem our land, our skies..
    Imbued with the spirit of sacrifice, fear not even death..
    you are young, and our motherland is threatened..
    should you stand mute witness ?
    witness, every heart carves to perform the ultimate sacrifice..

    The flame of Sacrifice..burns inside our hearts..
    Now put to test the strength…of our enemy blade.

    Like the fragrance of the grain….
    we will live in every crop our farmer raise.
    Like the humming of life…
    we will live on the breaths of every generation to come.
    every generation…every generation …. to come.

    The flame of Sacrifice….burns inside our hearts..
    Now put to test the strength…of our enemy blade.
    come the time, we’ll leave…for all the world to see…
    what joy there is ..in obsession……in pursuit of the goal.

  55. Dear Sandman:

    Thanks for all the good you have done via your blogsite; and may it be that you come online again one day to keep the flame of thoughful and passionate commentary from an Egyptian perspective alive.

    Binks, WebElf
    Canada

  56. Forget that blogger navel-gazing stuff dude, the part that matters is that your safety is at risk. Lay low and take care of yourself. This is a great loss.

  57. Wishbone says:

    Well, this is a sad day indeed.

    Anyone can blog, but not many have the balls to do it from a country where it can cost you dearly to challenge the ideologies and politics of that place. You’ve got heart Sam and they’re taking nothing from you if you should choose to keep your head down. To paraphrase something from the film ‘McVicar’ : “You may not have won this one, but you were the best fuckin’ second the world ever saw”

    I’m sure I could speak for many here that have come to know you when I say that, should you ever need a hand……. Just call, mate.

    Stay safe, friend.

  58. Never underestimate the long term power of what you and other Middle Eastern bloggers have done, Sandmonkey. For a brief moment in time, the whole world got to see the humanity and kindred spirit of an young Egyptian, who was damned funny to boot. You made so many, many people realize that we are all the same. I don’t think for a minute that you will never return to blogging. The War on Terror, as it’s inappropriately named, is going to last as long as it takes to bring freedom to your part of the world and believe me, it IS going to happen in your lifetime. Lazy ass stupid leftists in the West will not stop it, no matter how hard they try.

    You are probably too young to remember Prague Spring, but I do. This was your Cairo Spring. The Egypian version of the Soviet tanks are rolling in right now to bring back the winter, but perhaps by the time your children are as old as you are now, you will see freedom, just like the Czech Republic has it now.

  59. Battal Agha says:

    So sorry to see you abdicate… Yours was one of the finest blog and we shall all miss you – contact me on my private address – would love to keep in touch.
    Salamaat wa kalamaat

  60. What the fuck!!??!?!

    :(

    Nooooooooooo………..

    Is ok, you will rise again, I know it.

  61. Oh, and another thing, Sandmonkey. I’ll never forget the game of blog tag we had that day way back when when we were jumping back and forth between blogs. That was great fun. If you ever land in North America again we must try and connect somewhere.

  62. Tom Grant says:

    All your blogs are belong to us.

  63. We’ll miss you SM. I’ve been reading your material for quite some time and I always got a kick out of it. You opened my eyes and others to what really goes on in your country. Thank you for that

  64. So very sorry to read this. Your blogsite is always so interesting, and I’ve enjoyed it, as I am sure others have; but it is not worth your safety. Lots to do in the U.S. – so welcome if you decide to come here. With best wishes for you, always, and I will pray for you. Mariro

  65. I hope you go undiscovered and wind up safely some where. You’ll be missed by your many friends inthe US.

  66. sandmonkey,
    please be safe i willmiss you i will check every day and pray for your saftey, i am very sad

  67. A long time reader and first time responder. So sorry to learn you’re quitting sandmonkey but I can’t blame you. You’ve given me a whole other aspect into your society and I’m grateful. Thanks for everything and good luck in the future.

    Perhaps sometime in the future yoiu will return. In the meantime…

    God Bless you, your family and friends,,

    aine

  68. Nooooo….! Damn! shit…..F#@#!

    SM you’ve changed completely my view of the Middle East. The brightness of your spirit, the people I’ve listened to ranting here along side you, the window you opened to your world all captivated me. I realize I haven’t posted here much, my knowledge of the region so limited I felt ill suited to expressing an opinion.

    It seems so inadequate but… I just want to say thank you and keep safe buddy.

    Barry

  69. Bummer! we’ll miss ya. take care.

  70. I feel terrible for you, your friends, and all Egyptians whose hope for the freedoms that should be granted to all men and women has been dashed to pieces. Maybe it is time for you to leave Egypt, for awhile at least.

  71. When I first read your blog, I’d thought, this is great! Egypt’s farther along than I’d thought. But, I guess that’s not the case, the government there chooses to regress to the past. We lose a very wonderful voice from your country. They couldn’t have asked for a better ambassador. Egypt’s loss.

  72. You will always be one of my heroes. Happy trails til we meet again.

  73. Mdhubiquitous says:

    You’ll be back. Either here in the US, somewhere else upon our globe, or in Egypt. You’ve already proven that you are couragous just by having this blog. Now, with this step you take, you prove that you are not foolhardy. Bravery and wisdom are qualities that tend to encompass a meaningful life, whatever your time here may be. My prayers are with you. May God bless you, keep you safe, and above all, may God move you toward Him with each choice you make, for, if He does so, and you follow, you are free. No imprisoments can bind the soul that belongs to God. Again, thank you for your tremendous nerve and hard work. May you have peace and fortune and meaning all of your years.

  74. You will be missed my friend.

    I hope the day will come where we in the Arab world will be able to voice our concerns without having to continuously look over our shoulder.

    I am pretty sure that with the likes of your efforts, we will achieve success; it might take a couple of generations, but at least the seed is now firmly in the soil.

    Good luck my friend, and thanks for the time you have taken to blog so far.

  75. Ok I understand wat u said and I totally respect it
    though I cant hide the bitterness
    u hve the right to fear and hate all wat’s happening

    but monkey WTF r u doing!…. blogging aint about being a hero of an icon, u were mostly ranting , telling ur point of veiw which I may hate or love but I like to read, u were also a gr8 source of news for both pple who r living inside or outside Egypt
    + it’s not that bad to be an icon for some pple and to encourage them to feel free and write too,
    I wont accuse u of being quitter coz u r not
    I wont tell u to keep a low profile while blogging

    I’ll miss ur links and videos and black sense of humour
    I dunno wat to tell u, it will be selfish from me to tell u not to stop blogging

    just remember the reason u started blogging at the first place
    u TC and Be Safe Sweety, C U

  76. My respect for you increases everyday…
    It is a noble sacrifice that you just did. Not only did you recognize what most of the Egyptian blog-sphere is turning into, you decided not to be a part of it anymore. You always make a statement. And one of your strongest statements is currently being made – by quitting. I hope people realize and actually comprehend what your trying to say and do by quitting. I do believe there’s always something to do and I know that you are not giving up on your beliefs – you’re just evolving…maturing…reevaluating yourself and the channels in which you can actually do something… I know you’re not giving up – we wouldn’t let you.

    The Monkey never dies…

  77. I will miss you! Please don’t be a stranger! I hope you decide to come back!

    Much love,

    Red Tulips

  78. sis from the usa says:

    this is the saddest thing I’ve heard all week :(

  79. its been great reading you…..from israel….good luck

  80. I am one of the last people to say I am ashamed to be an American, but the idea that we give so much money to such a crappy government does shame me. I am so sorry that we don’t put strings on this money, like say “free speech”.

    I have learned a lot from you, and about the truth of the “arab street” good and bad. I hope that some time in the near future you will be able to continue. I also hope that if the worst happens and they arrest you, that somehow the word will get out and that some folks here in power will do something about it.

  81. Retreat, if you must … fight another day.

    This is a sorry day. I’ve read your blog for more than a year. I will miss it. But there is no sense/use in becoming a martyr. Be like gras in the wind … good luck.

    Gerry

  82. I am so sorry to see you go, though of course I understand your decision. Thanks for the great blogging and I really hope to see you blogging again in the future. Maybe someday there will be peace and freedom of expression all over our part of the world. Sh’Hashem tishmor aleicha! (May G-d watch over you).

    Daphna, Tel Aviv

  83. G-d bless, Sandy.

  84. I have been reading this site for news from Egypt for a long time and it sucks (not as bad as prison) to see it go. If you feel like you didn’t accomplish your objective take heart in small victories. If you had asked me what I thought about the M.E. before I read a few blogs I would have wanted to destroy everything. Now I can’t say that I wouldn’t feel bad if it happened.

    Maybe you should leave and start an ex-pat egyptian blog. If you decide to go to the U.S. rember to take lots of water and travel at night. We will know it is you if someone named Javier shows up in Cali and starts a blog about Egypt.

    Take it easy, drink plenty and don’t work to hard.

  85. no2liberals says:

    I seldom comment, but have always enjoyed your information, perception, and rants. I have shared them, through links, with many people.
    This is indeed a sad day, eventhough I understand how you came to make your decision.
    Just keep fighting the bastids, even if you have to do it in another, and safer, way.
    Freedom is the natural yearning of man, and the ‘sheep’ in your country need to be reminded of that.
    My sincerest best wishes to you.

  86. MichaelJay says:

    Sandmonkey, you left us better than when we came, and I will miss you.

    If you truly fear for your wellbeing and a search is possible, it might be time to lose the old hard drive so that it can never be retrieved. I’m sure your security officials have someone who can retrieve stuff you don’t want them to retrieve. That’s called evidence, and in your country (or mine) you don’t want that presented in a trial. I speak as a security official. You wanted a new computer anyway, right?

    Best of luck.

  87. Wait…you mean people were listening to *those* phone calls? Nice.

    I’ll miss your posts, but not as much as I would miss you if you were put in prison.

    Love to the Monkey…

  88. Standing by Sandmonkey!

    Till you return. Stay safe from the thugs!

  89. Sad!
    Now go find another outlet for your creative spirit!
    I´ve been reading you since the cartoon days – and it´s been a blast….

  90. I’ve been reading your blog daily for almost a year now, I even read all the posts in your other blog as well. I must say it was great while it lasted.

    All the best… may we one day exist in a society where man is free to share his ideas without the need for anonymity or the concern that he will end up in jail. The blogger revolution has started, and it will go on. Till then, hang in there.

  91. Never say never, maybe just, until a later date. As so many posters here have stated, you’ve opened my eye’s to so much. To so many differing and valid opinions. If the Egyptian government knew the good you’ve done for Egypt’s reputation they would give you a medal not surveillance. You blog was a well enjoyed routine in my daily journey. A way to wind down from a hectic day in the evening or a way to get ready for another day in the morning and converse with people from all over with experiences and opinions from all over. Such a pity to throw it all away after all the effort but I nor anyone else can question the decision about your safety. Take care, keep your ideals high and return someday when things have improved as they surely must. We will miss you Sandmonkey

  92. Peace. Be safe.

  93. I will truly miss your intelligent and witty posts. You have made a huge contribution. It’s good to know that there are people out there in the world like you (too few, though). I have been very concerned about your safety–and the emotional toll that it takes to deal with these issues. Please take good care of yourself and stay safe.

  94. The Egyptian authorities may think they score a victory when they silence bloggers (especially great bloggers like you) but they have succeeded in embarrassing themselves and disgracing the regime. Any government that can pressure thoughtful voices into silence is not strong but pathetic.

    Good luck.

  95. Damn it, it’s such a pitty..
    Well, I hope you’ll have a great life. I hope things will turn out good for Egypt.
    I’m very, very, sorry. Your blog will be missed…

  96. I am so sorry to see you leave. I’ve been enjoying reading your blog for probably 3 years. It is a shame that anyone anywhere has to fear for what they think and say. Hopefully someday Egypt will reflect more of what reasonable people like you want it to be.

  97. I do not believe you.

    I’ll keep searching for ifiweresandmonkeyandiwantedtorant.com

  98. nice ex-Jewish Boy says:

    Good luck, and maybe reconsider your religion?

  99. I read you all the time although I have never posted. Good luck, and take care. Please take good care of yourself.
    Al Gomez

  100. Sandmonkey, thank you thank you thank you for all you’ve done. Nothing has been wasted and so much of worth has been added. Please consider coming to the USA – and if there is a Mrs. Sandmonkey and any little Sandmonkeys .. bring them too .. we need you here!

  101. Black Death says:

    Too bad, I’ve enjoyed your blog. You did your part. Watch your back, and good luck.

  102. It’s not just that you’r the kind of guy who decided me to begin my own blog…
    Not just that i was reading you everyday…
    My biggest problem is that you gave me the hope to be one day in peace with your country, on my south border…
    I’d like to tell you: DON’T GO !
    But your security is more important…
    I hope for hope, it will just be a little more difficult now
    Take care of you !!! And thanks for all

  103. Don’t go Monkey!
    Don’t go!

  104. sandmoney, your blog kept me sane while i studied in cairo last semester, and i didnt stop reading when i returned to the states. im sad to see you go, but be safe and watch your back, and thanks from an american who fell in love with egypt’s people and wishes the best for them. good luck and godspeed!

  105. It’s a sad day but no matter what you do, rock on, rock on Sandmonkey.

    We loved your embrace of freedom and the sound of the joy in your rants as you felled many a fool along the way.

    We’re not altogether surprised that the day has come for oppression to touch to close to home.

    One day even you and yours will be free.

  106. Oh my gosh. This is so bad.

    I’ve started reading your blog relatively recently, and haven’t commented (I tend to lurk for a while before starting to comment)… But I’ve also been very seriously interested in the issues and have been learning so much from your blog.

    I really, really hope you’ll return to blogging soon. If you decide to come back, please let me know.

    Best of luck!

  107. Mr. Monkey,

    God Speed my friend. I would leave, before I’d ever let a Government stop me.

    Come to America. and be truly free.

    God Bless.

    -Chuck

  108. Grantman says:

    Sam – you are, and have been, amazing. Courageous, forthright, and funny as hell! Don’t let the fuckers get you down. Find a way to keep on going, not only for your own sanity, but for Egypt, too. Egypt needs you. The mideast needs you. Frankly, without being all mushy about it, the world needs you and your insight, analysis, and willingness to report on your country.

    God bless ya, pal. He’s (oops, don’t want to piss her off) She’s looking out for you.

  109. I suppose this was inevitable…since the Big Pharoah’s last post is from two months ago. That’s just long enough to look like a coincidence. :D

  110. Another Dane says:

    Very sad news.

    I’ve been reading your blog for about a year, and it has really made me appreciate living in liberal democrazy, with all the freedom we take for granted.

    Stay safe, and be back soon.
    Lars

  111. Aardvark EF-111B says:

    So, you dared to believe from the first place that you were going to change any thing?, in Egypt (The Blackhole Where Time Freeze), poor asshole!
    And now, when you hit the grim reality you fainted???

    Did not your MBA taught you to set a realistic target???

    -If you are blogging for change, better you stopped.

    -If you are blogging for fun, keep on

    the value of blogging is to leave a “Parallel Record” for others, some thing different that common media handle, your personal experience that matters and NOT the events nor consequences.

    pull yourself together…….damnit!

  112. Sad to miss you. All this is very strange to me – I’ve not noticed anything on your blog that should be of any concern to the big wigs. Quite the contrary, your descriptions of life in Cairo seemed more like an ad for the place than anything else.

    Maybe a very good lawyer would be a good idea?

    Greetings, european drage lun

  113. Fuck!!! Sam, this sucks!!!

    So I guess this begs the question…when are you moving to the US? ;)

    Don’t be a stranger, dude–you know where to find me. We all need to know you’re ok!

  114. Fabrizio Riva - Italy says:

    I’m very sorry for your decision: although I never wrote a comment, I read your blog every day.

    Anyway your reasons are deep and appropriate, so I respect them and say good luck.

  115. frannie in the USA says:

    Stay safe! I’ve been reading you regularly almost since the very beginning of your blog, and will miss it very very much, but your safety is of utmost importance.

  116. Sandmonkey:

    This is a sad day. You’ll be missed. Still, it’s a comfort knowing that there are people like you out there. Take care!

  117. Long time reader. Appreciate the perspective on Egyptian life you’ve presented. Thank you for everything.

    Be safe.

    =darwin

  118. Monkey, nice ex-Jewish Boy, Brooklyn Jon, Solomon-

    Thanks for dashing any illusions I had of “tolerating” and “accepting” Jews as normal human beings. as anything but inimical to my well-being

  119. I’ve always enjoyed this log. Best of luck.

  120. I’m saddened. I’ll miss your commentary.

    But I also understand.

    All the best to you, Sam. Salaam to you and yours.

  121. If anything happens to you we will avenge you.

    A campaign to stop aid to Egypt would be exactly the thing. Americans don’t want to be sending money to enemies, let alone oppressive ones.

  122. Celebrating says:

    Great news!

    The cynical snarky pro-US (and clearly pro-Israel) monkey is the one who sodded off at the end. GOOD RIDDANCE!! : )

  123. Sandmonkey.. I hope you keep safe and well! I for one will miss you viewpoint comment a humour. But I agree with your decision.. I am only amazed you kept going so long. I hope that it will be safe for you to blog again.

  124. Sandmonkey,

    Just sent you $25 to use as you like. It us the least I could do for the work you have done here for us jaded Westerners.

    Keep your head down.

  125. realitygaps says:

    Thanks for all the great writing, I have enjoyed your blog and it gave me a lot of hope that the people in our region of the world are not all fanatics.

    Shalom from Jerusalem….. Keep safe

  126. I want my Monkey love.

    In a word, ugh

  127. Take care of you! Hooah!

  128. Awwww, man… :(

    Your words and presence will be missed, Sam.

    Stay safe!

  129. Jebus_Cripes says:

    Too bad, i guess u didnt collect enough emergency escape money ;) . Even though i disagree with most of what u have to say, I will miss this blog.

  130. Wow,

    I’m shocked and sad. Take care. I hope one day that you will blog again.

  131. OH NO WAY please tell me this is a delayed april fool :(

  132. Oh, this does suck. But you got to do what you’ve got to do, for your safety and that of those you care for. I hate that our government supports such thuggery! It stinks that voices of freedom loving folks are silenced by fear of governmental persecution. Maintain a low profile, Sam, and hope you can feel safe to write again soon. You will be in my prayers. Love from Florida, USA, my brother.

  133. Today is a sad day indeed in the blogosphere. Sandmonkey, you will be sorely missed by many people, myself included. You writings have been informative, insightful, and often humorous. I hope to read your writings again someday.

    There are many times I have worried about your safety. This may be the time to pull an emergency escape. In fact, the soooner, the better. Emigrate to America or Canada – especially Canada! Our winters may be cold, but our hearts are warm.

    You are in my thoughts and prayers.
    Keep safe, Sandmonkey.

    -Nelle, from Nova Scotia, Canada.

  134. Others have suggested it: Go to America or Canada.

  135. insensitive says:

    I will miss reading you. I hope you can blog again one day. :-(

  136. I pray that God will deliver you from fear, bless you, and make you a blessing to your people.

  137. Land of the Free says:

    I wish you all the best.

    You are a breath of fresh air.

    Come to America.

    Hopefully you will get t experience real freedom.

    If you come over, I am sure you will love America, unlike some ungreatful Americans:

    http://nosnowhere.wordpress.com/2007/04/26/being-a-texan-american/

    May God bless and protect you.

  138. Stay strong and G-dspeed

  139. yochanan says:

    you will be missed.

  140. auspatriotman says:

    Hey Sandmonkey
    Don’t give up. There is a time and a place for every event under heaven. (ECC:3) Go get yourself safe and insulated and come back with both barrells blasting!!!
    The Very Best To You

  141. لأا دى اقولهالك باعربى

    احا انت بتستهبل

    يا ريتنا ما اتكلمنا فى حاجة يا عم :@

    اصبر بقة علشان عندى مصيبة هاحلها و هاعرف اكتبلك كومنت بجد

  142. Thanks for all the wisdom and information. You’ve made a difference in at least my life. Stay safe – and you and your country will be on my mind forever. Good luck – and hopefully the world will yet again come to see “the monkey” when things are safer.

  143. Allah yehmik, w yridd 3annak wled el haram,

    Stay safe. I still hope you’ll be able to safely come back to blogging, but do not rush it; in our part of the world, paranoia is a very useful quality…

  144. BrooklynJon says:

    SM,

    I have such mixed feelings. On the one hand, I’m glad you’re stopping on your own terms. On the other hand, I’m sad to lose you as a window onto the Egyptian world, and host to a contentious and interesting group of people. Your site was the first website I’d go to in the morning, and the last before I went to sleep. In losing you and the community surrounding you, I feel that I am losing a little part of my soul. But of course, I understand and respect your need to put your safety first. Thank you.

    bj

  145. BrooklynJon says:

    And as usual, lynne (#149) is right.

  146. Papa Ray says:

    Sorry to see it come to this, but I was not surprised. I hope you took my advice and have been putting getaway money back, these two years.

    Stay safe and remember sucess is in the journey, not just the destination.

    Papa Ray
    West Texas
    USA

  147. viva la monkey. i love you, man.

  148. XPLODEIT says:

    GOOD LUCK IN THE FUTURE AND STAY SAFE, I WILL MISS YOUR BLOG.

  149. Thank you for your coverage and for your translation efforts for me a year ago.

  150. SM, you have to be safe. I certainly understand. But THANK YOU for teaching a lot of us about what Egypt and the ME are really like. I am certainly glad to have stumbled across, and bookmarked your page a year or so back. This is NOT what we were taught in school.

    God Speed SM!!

    Vic
    San Mateo, CA

  151. Sandmonkey,

    I am REALLY sorry to see you go. You – and Egyptians who think like you – were one of the few remaining hopes for peace between Arabs and Israelis. I’m sorry you don’t feel safe doing this anymore, but fully understand.

  152. OH what sad news! I love reading your blog! But I understand why you cant continue. Be safe, my prayers are with you.

    If you happen to start another blog…. email me!!

    Cya Friend !

  153. Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!

    You’re going to be seriously missed man. Walahi ya basha! I’m not sure if this is worth it, but I just hope you realize that YOU and BigPharaoh have been 2 of the most influential bloggers in the past year for me.

    I have been changed by the blogosphere, not just in terms of opinions but even as a person and I have YOU to thank for part of that. Always keep that in mind. You have offered a much needed perspective that few ever helped provide.

    Even in your absence, your writings will continue to make a difference. They’ll remain here for everyone interested to read. The A.P.U. series were defintely some of your best.

    Take care my friend and stay safe!

    Drima @ The Sudanese Thinker

  154. Something to give you hope…

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M

    good luck

  155. I found you through Shire Network News. You’ve done an amazing job, but there’s only so much one person can be expected to do. In a better world you’d be free to worry about your integrity without having to fear for your a&!.

  156. I found you through Shire Network News. You’ve done an amazing job, but there’s only so much one person can be expected to do. In a better world you’d be free to worry about your integrity without having to fear for your a&!.

  157. K from Oslo says:

    Goodbye Sam and best of luck for the future.

  158. Jeromey Ward says:

    I’ve been reading you for over a year now. I will miss you, but you need to do what keeps you safe! Good Luck, Friend

    Jeromey in Ohio

  159. Another candle snuffled, Egypt is getting darker and darker. Thanks for two years of quality blogging. I liked my daily dose of you and I’m fearing the effects of withdrawal. Please consider moving to the US or Canada, both governments need reliable Arab-speaking translators to keep track of the jihadist buzz either in the mosques or on the phone and the Internet. With your track as a liberal blogger of international fame, you could probably get a cushy government job and keep your anonymity as well.

    Anyway, if you decide to start another blog in safer conditions, you have our addresses and at your call your readership will return en masse. Good luck to you, dear SM, and may we meet you again in the blogosphere.

  160. Goodluck with your luck with your life and future endeavors. Sorry you have to stop doing the things you love and are good at. Enjoyed reading your site and will miss it in the future. Nothing but the best.

  161. Keep safe, SM – this is the main thing for now.

    Then, maybe you could surface again later, somewhere more agreeable with blogging.

    Best.

  162. Thanks – really enjoyed the site – if you do decide to come back I for one will be glad…

  163. Carl in Salem Oregon says:

    I have been a long time reader. You must stay safe and post another day.

  164. First time poster, long time reader. Your last post was moving. Thanks for all the insights you’ve shared with us over the years. Wishing you the best for the future, and here’s to hoping you’ll be able to come back one day.

  165. Uncle Bob says:

    Long Live the Sandmonkey! Take care of yourself. I can’t wait until your book comes out on the APU.

  166. Stay safe – that’s all that matters for now. Egypt needs people like you….I fear that dark times are arising for freedom.

  167. Sorry to hear that you have to stop! You were my source of information from the Middle East.
    You did a wonderful job, thank you for that. Be healthy and strong, and take care of course!! You’re welcome if you want to visit.
    Thank you again.

  168. Good luck and stay safe. Hope to see you back in the blogosphere someday. You and your blog will definitely be missed, but I’m sure we haven’t yet heard the last of the Sandmonkey.

  169. Egyptian in Germany says:

    Dear SM,
    Thank you very much for the wonderful blogging you have done over the years. You were smart and had a humour.
    I understand your concerns and wish you all the best,
    will miss you.
    Egyptian in Germany

  170. Sandmonkey, this is the first time i have commented on your blog.
    I am a retired lady from the states and I’ve been reading your blog since the cartoon fiasco. you have made me laugh and cry.

    I read your blog every day and it has been an educational experience for me.
    First it was Big Pharoah and now you. It makes me very sad. Where do I go now to get my daily fix? You have no idea how much I will miss you!

    I understand why you have to do this but it breaks my heart.
    I wish you the very best in life and hope to see you again somewhere!

  171. Shamoussa says:

    I will miss you Sam, I hate that you leave I believe that you know better, so God bless you.

  172. Yet another first time poster… you’ve been my favorite blogger for almost 2 years now, and I’m really sorry to see you go. Have an awesome life and despite the way it seems now, I hope that the day is not far when you will be able to write whatever the heck you want without fearing for your life.

  173. I am sorry to hear that, but I thank you for a very interesting blog and I wish you well.

    When you’ll visit Europe, let me know. Take care!

  174. I am totally gutted.

  175. Egyptian alatool says:

    OK, everyone, now that Monkey’s little song and dance show is over, maybe it is time you started to pay attention to what the average Egyptians’ concerns and worries about their country are:

    http://monem-press.blogspot.com/2007/02/mb-blogs.html

  176. Good luck Sam, may God bless you.

  177. Best of luck Sandmonkey

  178. Your voice will be missed.

  179. Take care Sand Monkey. Hope to hear from you again. I think I’ll take a look at some of the links to the other bloggers on your site.

  180. You can’t go!!! Where else are we supposed to find out what is going on around here??
    You’ve been great, more than great……there are not enough words. Wish I knew you so I could at least give you a hug.
    Take care and be safe. Thank you for everything.

  181. This is a victory for Radical Islam. I no likey.

  182. Hey Sandmonkey, good luck and stay safe.

    Mid East News:

    http://showmetherules.blogspot.com

  183. Hey Sandmonkey, have fun and stay safe.

    showmetherules.blogspot.com

  184. Roman Kalik says:

    Take care, man. You did good when you had the chance, and that’s what counts.

  185. Aardvark EF-111B says:

    I add my voice to GemiHoood
    A7777AAAAHH!!!

  186. In Rome Total War there is a fantastic quote from Hippocrates that says everything: “Athenians, there is little time for words, but to the brave a few words are as good as many”…

    …therefore I’ll just say “Obrigado!”

    (PS: Consider sending the occasional piece by mail to be published in other blogs under a pseudonym – Fjordman quit blogging but he still writes)

  187. Adrian from Denmark says:

    Sam, I’ll never forget you!

    I understand that everyone sometimes comes to point where things are repeating themselves and there’s not so much more to do or say, but I don’t think you had reached that point at all, and you managed to change your blog and stories all the time.

    May your god be with you.

    Adrian

  188. Michael (Germany) says:

    SM,

    you have done so much good work, and been a real blessing to your readers. I want to thank you for it with all my heart.

    Maybe one day you can come back.

    You will know best what to do. Stay safe!

    May the persecutors pay a heavy price for their misdeeds!

    Regards,
    Michael

  189. Ah-how sad…where can I go now to get rational comments on arab affairs?

    Thank you for your insights – best of luck to you in the future! Fight the good fight.

  190. Melissa In Texas says:

    SM,
    I discovered your site about a year and a half ago. This has been a regular read for me.
    Thank you for the insight to the struggles of your country.
    I may not have always agreed with your, or your commentors viewpoints, but it has been incredibly eye opening here on the other side of the world.
    This is a sad day indeed.
    Lay low, Be safe and may God Bless you.

  191. Jonathan Levy says:

    Oh Sandmonkey, you can’t quit!
    Here’s a better idea:

    1) Take a break for one month.
    2) Start a new blog with a different name and post all the light stuff on it – nothing that could get you in trouble.
    3) Post your serious articles anonymously on another blog – I’m sure there are dozens who would be honored to host you. alex here mentioned Fjordman’s example, and I think it’s a good one.

    Please don’t disappear on us. :(

  192. I will miss this blog it is one of my favorites. Itis enlightening, informative and very funny and entertaining a lot of the tiem too. We wish you peace and safety and hope you return in the near future.

  193. Hollowpoint says:

    The Internet just got a little less interesting, you will be missed.

    Thank you for what you’ve done- it meant something. Good luck and God bless.

  194. Please add your comments to the tribute post to SM on GNblog.com
    BJ, thanks for your kind words.

  195. Seneferu says:

    210 comments fe yomein ya Monkey:-) yalla erga3 ba2a.

  196.  nooo!
    R u serious?
    u won't be writing anymore?

    Tab come live in Lebanon and you can pretty much blog the hell out of everything from here!

    think about it…

  197. PeggyUppiano says:

    Sandmonkey: I have read your blog, but I have not left comments before. It is very interesting to read about life in Egypt. I am very sorry to see you stop writing, and I hope it is temporary. I also want to thank you for helping me to appreciate freedom all the more. Best of luck !

  198. I’m so sad to see you stop blogging Sandmonkey. I’ve been reading your blog for about a year now and it’s always been insightful, intelligent, fascinating and often incredibly funny as well. I’ll miss this blog and your wonderful writing.
    It’s so, so wrong that you have to stop.
    Stay safe, and be happy and healthy, and hopefully come back soon.
    Nan

  199. One of the fallouts of our withdrawal from Iraq will be the increase in “boldness” of our so-called Egyptian and Saudi friends as they beat up on their own citizens and map out a policy not-so-friendly to us. Watch out!

  200. Uh, Sandmonkey, these are bad news :..(
    I’ve read your blog quite a while, must be about a year now, without ever commenting.
    I wish there was anything one could do. Oh shit man, I don’t even know what to say – except that I loved your blog and am very sad and puzzled to hear you are quitting.
    My best wishes be with you, luv & kisses, Zed (from Germany)

  201. charlie 316 says:

    I am really sorry to hear that you are hanging up your keyboard. First Mindbleed, then BP – now you. Is there a new dark age descending on Egypt?

    Hope you can find a new safer way to let it all hang out and that despite it all you will be back.

    Nil carborundum!

  202. Nbr 222: waaaah … and I just found you! Feel the lights are going out one by one – never thought we’d see such days! Thanks for while it lasted – take good care of yourself and hope you’ll rise again some time soon. The voices of enlightenment mustn’t be silenced, never! God bless you, heathen …

  203. Be safe Sandmonkey, I will miss your insight and snarky Libertarian views.

  204. InfidelDane says:

    Been here since the cartoon row….read every single post… will miss ya.
    But safety first. Understandable. Take care. Godspeed.

  205. Nooooooo!!!! I have loved reading your blog, hearing your stories, gaining insight into a part of the world I never dreamed I would hear personally about. I’m Israeli, and it pains me that none of my neighbors can experience the freedoms that I can. I’m in Washington DC these days, if there’s anything I can do…
    I’ll miss you! Stay safe

  206. Sorry to hear that. Thanks for the good reads.

  207. Will miss you.

  208. Good riddance.

    You were a zionist and a neo-con after all.

    Seems your heroes are suffering quite a lot in Baghdad lately…

  209. # 135 – Ziv, thanks for that.

  210. Ditto what Jonathan Levy says @ 214.

  211. I really did not see that one coming. I will miss your witty insightful posts but I am sure you will find a way to continue what you’ve started. It is just a transition; it is not the end. Will be waiting for the evolved you.

  212. Dear Sandmonkey,
    I am so sorry about that news and especially the reasons why you took your decision. I will miss you. You are a GREAT and interesting person. A wonderful aspect of Egypt will be silent now. How could I help you? I will miss you. Take care. All my best wishes.

  213. I just came upon your blog today, and am so sorry to hear you are done.
    Good luck and fight the good fight in whatever other way you can.

  214. diamondsunset says:

    I’ve commented infrequently over the years, but read you religiousl every dayy. Do what you need to do to be safe, but know that you touched, informed and enriched many people with your writing and commitment to change. Thank you for what you have done and for what you will do one day. Stay safe and I hope to see you writing again somewhere soon. All the best wishes to you.

  215. Sorry to see you go. Anyway, uder these circumstances. Why do I have a feeling we’ll be reading you from one or another media outlet in the states in the nearby future? Wishful thinking or is my sixth sense accurate? Let’s see :D
    Good luck Sam.

  216. Well it has been a great ride – thanks for all the good stuff. The APU posts are legend.

    All the very best for you and your loved ones.

  217. This blog was one of the ones I check daily, almost hourly. I really thank you for your work to give a voice to what is happening in Egypt. I live in Chicago and rarely leave it. Thank you for giving me a glimpse outside the looking glass. Best of luck to you! Thank you for your reporting.

  218. p.s. Bye BrooklynJon :) Hope to catch up with you on some other blogs.

  219. alexa kim says:

    I come by way of Michelle Malkin and I come to pay respects and encourage you to be safe, first. Some day, you will be back. God keep you!

  220. Top ten things Sandmonkey is:

    10. occasionally reckless (that’s life)
    9. fearless
    8. intelligent
    7. incisive
    6. original
    5. consistent
    4. interpretive
    3. brilliant
    2. outspoken
    1. hilarious

    Top ten things Sandmonkey is NOT:
    10. self-congratulatory
    9. a parrot
    8.
    7.
    6.
    5.
    4.
    3.
    2.
    1. evil

    you get the point. loyal readers can fill in the blanks.

    SM, your and your readers march to the beat of a different drummer. thank you very much for making us wiser and smarter and more enlightened about life in the old country and middle east issues. you rock.

    now go listen to some classic Stones or G’n'R or Dark Side of the Moon or something. get your killer out and let us see you on the other side, eh.

    in’sha Allah.

  221. BL@KBIRD says:

    Sandmonkey,

    Thank you for your voice, keep it safe, Do what you need to do.

  222. Hi. i come home everyday after school and this page was one of the things i looked forward too. To see it shut down like this disturbs me, Because this was one of the few places i could see reasonable debate without selective media or fucked up patriots and zealots like the people i usualy discuss this with.

    It has been sand monkeys opinions i have always come to look foreward to as thought provoking in a sensible fashion, with news from egypt and the middle east that an jewish educated australian has a hard time sifting through bullshit for. This is the second funeral i ever gave a damn about, seeing as you are mostly likely to disapear unto death as it were.

    Long life sandmonkey, I hope that these changes that have become menacing enough to shut down a forum of thought such as this will not last, and perhaps in the future it shall rise from the ashes.

    Shallom SM.
    -Shuv

  223. I it my first time to write a comment, even though I’ve been reading your blog daily for almost a year now

    I’ll miss your blogging. I am not sure that quitting is the right thing to do, and deep inside I kinda feel that you may change your mind soon, after knowing how it feels to loose all that fame. However, may god be with you.

    Habashy

  224. I’ve only been an occasional reader. Born and bred in the US and always thankful for it. Thanks for all your efforts, for us as well as yourself. Liberty is strong when it spreads, it is weakened when it is extinguished elsewhere. Anywhere.

    I’m sorry that things are looking bad lately, but they’ve been worse. 50+ years ago Egyptians were cheering Rommel’s tanks when they were about to push into Cairo, but humanity survived. Not meant to bash Egyptians, in the face of British imperialism, any port in a storm. Just a measure of how much worse it could be.

    Perhaps it is a measure of how fatalistic I am lately that that’s how far I reach back.

  225. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    Sand Monkey, you cannot do this, I’m living and breathing cuz you help me, cuz you stand by me, you’re leaving me and I’ll fall down without your support, I won’t be able to continue, please don’t do this, please get back soon and write, please Sand Monkey, please come back……

    Hind El-Hinnawy

  226. Oh so you’re a quitter SM, that’s ok. bye bye

  227. freespeech says:

    A political animal like you can´t shut up. I´m sure your rational, reasonable voice will pop up again somewhere. Hope to find you then.

  228. SM we’re all in this, we won’t submitt to their damn terror, I’m in it with you SM I know we doubt if it’s all worth it and it’s not, but You will come back cause it’s not about changing, it’s about doing what’s right, we have decided me and u ever since we were kids, do speak our damn mind, and that is exactly what u will continue doing in this blog, u aint quitting, we aint quitters.

  229. What a pity!

  230. This is truly a sad thing.

  231. man, WTF, you can’t let them win….

  232. We will miss you, Sam. I was beginning to worry about your safety, so I’m actually glad you’ve decided to do the smart thing. Still, we need more people like you….many, many more people like you.

  233. As so many people have said, this is very sad.

    Hope your voice will be heard again.

  234. First time commenter, long time reader.

    I was typing a short paragraph out of a few things I really wanted to say to you, but then it turned into a few paragraphs so I decided to email it.

    I’m sure you’ve got hundreds of comments and emails to read… I hope you have the time to read them all.

    What will I do now that…you’re gone?

  235. Pissed also. says:

    Quitter?
    Doing the right thing?
    Is it really up to you at this point?
    Think again.

  236. Guys, the judge that is suing 21 Egyptian bloggers is on the next session of the Arab Broadcast Forum in Abu Dhabi, he will be on the 3pm session (+4GMT) and the moderator will be receiving questions from the audience AND VIA EMAIL to hewar@bbc.co.uk

    More information on my blog here: http://mahmood.tv/2007/04/30/a-moment-in-history-a-multicast/

    Please spread the word. I’ll be on the panel too.

  237. Will REALLY miss your words. I will be praying for you.

  238. i knew he would chicken out sooner or later…

    go hide sandmonkey, like a woman.

  239. This is very sad. Your safety is what is important though. The best of luck to you. I hope to hear again from you soon.

  240. You remind me of Abd El Nasser when he stepped down after 67 defeat!! All ppl need u monkey, DONT QUIT. it seems that u’ve got little paronid these days especially when u talked about noises in ur mobile phone loool. I always enjoy ur posts man, try to be wise, don’t talk much about ur trips etc.

    Best of luck

  241. Sad day for eygpt

    cheers

    Alex
    (First time commenter, long time reader)

  242. Hind El-Hinnawy says:

    Again I’m telling you don’t submit…….please don’t please sand monkey, if they will stop us from just writing they should expect more violence and terrorism, writing is the civilized way to express how we feel, if we stopped doing this then why should we live…………I don’t agree with anybody who is glad you stooed writing………. keep on writing to keep on living

  243. I miss you Sam. :-(

    EGYPT: COURAGEOUS BLOGGER BOWS OUT

    Cairo, 30 April (AKI) – The Egyptian Sand Monkey – one of the country’s most popular and straight talking blogs – has closed down his site. In a farewell message, the blogger explained “that there has been too much heat around me lately,” adding he feared for his anonymity with “State Security agents lurking around my street and asking questions about me.” He went on to say that his bowing out was also due to changes in the Egyptian blogosphere, “too much media attention, too much hype,” and the need for a period of reflection.

    The news of the farewell to the web of the “sand monkey” because of alleged repression by the Egyptian regime, has captured the interest of the local media and on Monday the story was carried by most of the main Arab-language dailies.

    One of the most vibrant voices in the political and social debate of the country Sand Monkey has over the past two years consistently reported on the violence and brutality used against political activists during protests agianst the rule of president Hosni Mubarak.

    Egyptian bloggers came to the attention of the mainstream media two years ago and have since become an important pillar of information in a country where the media is largely state controlled.

    In recent months the blogosphere has been in the sights of the Egyptian authorities who fear the spread via the Internet of information that is not controlled or at least filtered by central power. In one particular case cellphone images of an Egyptian citizen, who had been tortured in a police station, appeared on Egyptian blogs and were quickly picked up by other sites around the globe.

    Last February, a court in Alexandria sentenced blogger Karim Suleiman, 22, to four years jail for having insulted the president and Islam, the state religion. The sentence was widely condemened by human rights and press freedom campaigners.

    Since 2006, Egypt has featured in the black list of counties considered enemies of Internet and of freedom of expression that is drawn up annually by the group Reporters Without Borders.

    http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=CultureAndMedia&loid=8.0.409717278&par=0

    (Ale/Aki)

    Apr-30-07 13:18

  244. STAY SAFE SANDMONKEY, WE WILL MISS YOU, CAUGHT YOU AT ATLAS. KATHIE

  245. The Frenchman says:

    SM, A la prochaine mon ami ! Despite being from the obvious minority moderate leftie side, I have met some very interesting people on this site and these relationships have been sparked by your ability to raise very relevant and volatile questions. It is sad that this must end, but the reason for the shut down are complete understandable so apologies are unecessary. Frankly, I have been surprise as your enormous cojone’s for having kept the site up this long, but have definitely noticed that your the ferocity of the language you have used in critique of your own govt had subsided right after the arrest of those other bloggers, for good reason. That you were hanging on by your nails to this blog. If you do pop up again and it is possible to do so, please keep your SandMonkey handle, one it gloriously self depricating, a tribute to your ability to laugh at stereotypes and because I will run searches now and again to see if you haven’t re-surfaced. Ideally I would give you my e-mail address to add me to a ” keep me updated ” list but the hate mail would not end.

    Stay well and safe my friend. It has been a true pleasure and an enlightening experience indeed.

  246. brooklynjon says:

    Frenchie,

    I, for one would never send you hate mail. For that matter, as I’ve told you before, your brand of politics would definitely position you squarely in the right wing in my neck of the woods.

    Allow me to echo Frenchie’s sentiments. SM may be a little monkey, but he has the balls of a, um, much larger primate.

    As for those couple of individuals calling SM a quitter from the anonymity of a weblog comment, please seek out a dictionary, look up the definition of chutzpah, and look in the mirror.

    bj

  247. From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia)

    My wife and I would like to thank you for all your fine work.

    You are appreciated and admired.

    Take your time and do whatever you need to do to be safe and sane.

    Best Wishes.

  248. Trackbacked by The Thunder Run – Web Reconnaissance for 04/30/2007
    A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention.

  249. Hi Sam;
    Sorry to hear that but I understand the difficulties. Take good care of yourself. I hope, you will come back again someday.
    May be the force be with you my man.

  250. Good riddance you neo-con zionazi. You are a digrace to Mari. You are no revolutionary or reformer, just a silly little camel doing the work of zionazis.

  251. Drop Dead

  252. I don’t understand. I can see how you would fear for your own safety and give it up but what was that talk about becoming a caricature of yourself? Anyways, thank you for being our eyes in Egypt for this time. Your work has been appreciated and I hope you contact people here if you ever find a more free media outlet (ha!)

  253. Canadienne Errante says:

    This is sad news, but I’d hate to read on LGF that you’d been arrested. How about writing books? You’re a good writer, and I’d like to read more of you. Feel free to email the next time you’re in Boston.

  254. I just wanted to say , i’ve been reading ur blog for a year & a half now , its been amazing really , & it saddens me that u’re done with that. U’re blog has been the only thing that said “Masr lisa feeha 7′eir” . Best of luck .

  255. People have been asking about a site on the Mid-East, well look no further, go to:

    Show Me The Rules
    showmetherules.blogspot.com

  256. Waiting for the new Blog: The Sandmonkey On The Run.

  257. SEE YOU IN HELL BABY! I read all 277 comments and you only had 3 derogatory comments so here comes no. 4 baby doll.
    I said that I would never leave a comment on your fake ass blog but now this seems my last chance to do so. I know who you are but I never bothered approaching you Mr Boston Wanna be. Just admit that your mom cant protect you with her immunity and position anymore as SS approached her and requested you stop this time or else.

    Celebrating Says:
    April 28th, 2007 at 10:56 pm
    Great news!

    The cynical snarky pro-US (and clearly pro-Israel) monkey is the one who sodded off at the end. GOOD RIDDANCE!! : )

    My thoughts exactly. What you fail to see Mr. SM is that all these positive remarks that are left on your blog are from people who aren’t your country folk & don’t give two shits about you in contrast to the other folks who posted derogatory posts here but do our duty to luv you as an Egyptian cuz it’s our duty in fact we would come to your rescue if your were to be physically harmed, because you are an Egyptian and that’s what Egyptians do best & what do we get for that? You side with Israeli, you put down the government even though if they made your whole family in charge you guys wouldnt have a clue how to keep it safe & moving forward yet alone the governate of Giza- so don’t crticize.
    I have people who offered me loads of money to tell them who you are, but I didn’t you know why- because they were Paki’s and even if they were Egyptians I wouldn’t have told because you have yours coming.

    Good riddance dude you quit just in the nick of time before getting your ass shot & raped by the SS who keep this place safe from the likes of you.

    I’m using a friends computer so forget the forensic tracking folks but if you ever repent then here it is if you wanna Tango: mona.amor@gmail.com

    as if….

  258. Dang, I think I’ve got some sand in my eyes.

  259. 290/4 ratio, what does that tell you Mona, you are a breed on the decline. It will take time but freedom and fresh air wil prevail. Your obsessive fear of Israel will subside when you quit believing the propoganda and educate yourself to reality. You have my sympathy for you obvious paranoia Mona.

  260. Ranba Ral says:

    SM,

    I haven’t commented a lot, but enjoyed reading your blog. I think the biggest thing I contributed was The Black Hole of Suck. I thought it was funny at the time, but that was before we hit the event horizon.

    It is sad to see you go, but your safety must come first. My father and I both agree with the sentiments that you should come stateside ASAP. We could use more people like you to help offset the moron surplus.

    To those advocating he become a martyr for democracy: Everyone is different. Not everyone has what it takes to do it and succeed. Some do and don’t know it. Sometimes it doesn’t matter if you have what it takes or not. You never know until after the fact. It is the sensable fight coupled with valour which wins the proverbial war, my friends. Neither works well on its own.

    To all the haters: go sodomize yourselves with a pit viper.

    -Ranba

  261. They have won for now.

    I think you should leave Egypt if you can

  262. I really hope that you and fellow bloggers will safely go through this difficult period. As the saying goes, every cloud has a silver lining. So do blog when you are ready again. Take good care!!!!

    CK Tan, Singapore

  263. FREEDOM LOVING AMERICAN MARRIED TO AN EGYPTIAN says:

    I GUESS YOU WILL BE RUNNING OFF TO ISRAEL NOW YOU FRAUD. YOU NEVER WENT TO ANY “PROTESTS” YOU ARE A FAKE, A PHONEY AND A PRETENDER. YOU ARE SO FULL OF YOURSELF YOU LIAR AND I HOPE MUBARAK KICKS YOUR ASS!
    YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO THE EGYPTIAN PEOPLE, VIVA MASRI!

  264. Everytime I begin to enjoy a blog from the Arab world this happens! I really regret it, but I understand you have to stay safe. Mr. Sandmonkey, thank you and I hope that all goes will with you. God bless, Fr. J

  265. Damn, this sucks. I kinda knew this was going to happen once I saw SM’s shadow on CNN & the various protest posts. Thanks for sharing so much SM & wish you all the best in your future. You did a good thing w/ this blog.

    Where am I going to get my Egypt fix now? Any other extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled Egyptian bloggers out there?

    Peace to all the great & interesting ppl on the blog, including but not limited to Drima the Sudanese Thinker & all the rest(insert your name here), & a big F.O. to all the douchebag haters, esp. Antoine.

  266. The Libyan Warrior says:

    Ha!

    Typical!

    Egyptians are always running from the heat :P
    Cant stand the Libu spirit can ya? Just like your forefathers. Running and ducking when the going gets tough.

    Burn in hell you coptic oig. Its Hot.:P

  267. It’s been amazing reading here and it has really given me a new perspective of Egypt. A little bit of ego feeding isn’t a bad thing, but personal safety is vital. I hope you find new ways to make Egypt a better and more open place.

  268. who the hell made Tedders Queen?

    tedders Says:
    April 30th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
    290/4 ratio, what does that tell you Mona, you are a breed on the decline. It will take time but freedom and fresh air wil prevail. Your obsessive fear of Israel will subside when you quit believing the propaganda and educate yourself to reality. You have my sympathy for you obvious paranoia Mona.

    check this site out & then you will know that Jews and Zionists are a force to be reckoned with and not underestimated. http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/

    I ain’t here to argue but Israeli’s hate Egyptians and vice versa. They send disease to our land, they they kill our people as well as Pali babies and you say I we are paranoid you bia___. Israeli’s are Paranoid not us. They are the ones stock piling weapons WMD’s
    You are going to monkeys rescue huh, that’s sweat. I here he really does suck a great Pussy you know, hence matching your skills of fellatioplus his dad is rich and I hear he is going to inherit.

    Sure he is a fun guy but when he fucks with my dirty corrupt sick ass country he is messing with 100, 000, 000 Egyptians. But I guarantee you will be HEARING FROM HIM AGAIN.

    LET THE GUY SOD OFF IN PEACE & QUIT JUMPING TO HIS RESCUE, THIS WHAT HE WOULD HAVE WANTED AND BY THE WAY THE RATIO IS AINT 4 NO MORE ITS 10. CIAI

  269. fuck with egypt u fuck with me !

  270. mess with egypt and you mess with me !

  271. Can somebody please remove the sand out of mona’s vagina?

  272. I’ve never commented on your blog before but I just want to applaud you for your effort, your patriotism and your commitment in wanting to bring about much needed change. We need more people like you. It’ll be a loss not to be able to read your rants anymore. Wishing you all the best! Stay safe

  273. You and I haven’t always seen eye to eye but I’ve always enjoyed hearing your opinion. You’ve been intelligent, articulate, interesting and full of humor. You will be missed. Hope to see you in the blog world again someday. You are doing the right thing–your personal freedom and safety should come before anything else. Good luck.

  274. Dan Irving says:

    I echo what others have said SM – Good luck and God speed.

  275. school sucks says:

    Just for the record in order to be a pro U.S. neo bla bla you must be pro-kill Palestinian babies or else the world will think you are not cool and they will think that you are a no body and that you live in a cave or something. Standing up for truth takes courage, but standing with the winners is easy. Poor monkey.. but I can sympathize with you monkey man.

    You were fun to read and you helped so many disgruntled people believe for a sec or two. No a year or two that it is okay to lash out at authority but the truth is your running away dude and you were doing good although Egypt has tons of people who lived and studied in Boston that are really talented and have way better English than you with NO ACCENT you Falah lol including myself but we aren’t that desperate for attention as yourself. You may be older than me but whatever, you don’t set a good example but in these days of the fake war on Islam oops I mean terror you are a novelty.

    I could wake up tomorrow and start cursing Egypt and sucking Israel’s cock and I will get a blog award too, but some of us aren’t spoiled brats and we have lives like more school then families to start etc.

    When I read your blogs I say to my self: what happened to him as a child why is he so attention depraved?” but then it occurred to me that the above must be true.

    You are an in the closet blogger WHO NEEDS the support of Israel and America just like Egypt. You are an opportunist not a hero and there is nothing to ashamed of but like I said the fact remains reading your political stuff is I realize t is just an outlet to vent frustration but since you are an Egyptian it really hasn;t made any of us more pro-American than we were any way we just said look at the attention starved clown making fun of his own country wanting to be American because he was humiliated while having trouble getting his student visa to study in Boston. Like M jackson hating being black he became white lol. Your doing the same thing. Good luck

    Anyways it was a nice circus Mr. clown, I mean that in a good way, if it is any consolation to you.

    May you blog again and amuse us in the same orderly fashion lol.

  276. Hey..

    Now super sorry i didn’t take those calls. :(
    Ismaeleyya a rocky road.
    Hope you’re feeling ok about this; let me know when you’re back.

  277. Hey Bob why not come lick it out, I am sure you would really like that. Oh ya bring a few bullets with you to kill some Arab babies while you are at it and don’t forget to bring the C-4 so you can blow up some Church’s, Synagogues & ofcourse your favorite Mosques ,we can go to Iraq after that where I will suck you long and hard. Not!

    Loser

  278. Delurking to express my profound sadness that you’re shutting down. You have added valuable perspective to the international blogging scene. I sincerely hope that you find a way, and the desire, to come back soon! B’hatzlacha (may you succeed) in your endeavors.

    Regards,
    Zahava (Mrs. Treppenwitz)

  279. Jimmy Carter says:

    Your ambition is well proportioned yet your tactics leave little hope for diplomacy in your region and a lot of room for revolution so you would be smart to reevaluate your tactic and to resurface on the political landscape as a moderate and perhaps then you can achieve much more. I have high aspirations for you “R.”

    We have high hopes for you here at Mosad ; – )

  280. Ranba Ral says:

    # bob Says:
    April 30th, 2007 at 6:52 pm

    Can somebody please remove the sand out of mona’s vagina?

    Physically impossible. Anyone whose that bitchy has to have been born from a pumice vag, with the sand and various pieces of broken glass fused with their very being.

  281. Ranba Ral says:

    Can somebody please remove the sand out of mona’s vagina?

    You sure it’s not a big brick of pumice?

  282. And while we are at it we can then visit Egypt where we can have the cops sodomize us in the ass.

  283. heavenly father give us this day our daily bread…but what is this! My daily dose of Egyptian humour has gone the way of the dodo? You’ll be sorely missed but I’m sure a satirical genius like you will not stay silent for long. Salaam

  284. charlie 316 says:

    #308 It took a while to translate your ranting into English, but just to be sure I got the gist of it, are you saying that you think your English is better than SM’s? If so take a reality check and think again. Next semester don’t skip too many of the remedial English classes and if you work hard at it you might graduate from the use of a crayon to a 2B pencil.

  285. Sandmonkey, no!

    I have read for quite awhile and will miss your blog. This is a shocking turn of events. Please move to the States, we need you here, too!

  286. lol Ranba Ral, its probably going to need a couple of bulldozers and a shovel to remove…oh and a box of TNT. Not impossible though.

  287. Libyan Warrior says:

    Hey Mona. Dude their are no more men in Egypt sandmonkey is a perfect testament of that.

    I truley feel sorry for you love. You need to come across the boarder, drop those Egyptian zeros and get with a Libyan hero:P

  288. Goodbye friend and thank you for the enlightenment. Be well keep writing!

  289. Sandmonkey’s decision to stop blogging sends very serious signals about the political climate in Egypt, and the effect of the notorious constitutional amendments on the margins of freedom in the country.
    The already-restricted margins of freedom are significantly eroding, and the blogosphere, the activists’ last resort, is now under attack. The past few months witnessed the imprisonment of Kareem Amer, the arrest of Abdel Moneim Mahmoud, investigations with Alaa Seif and others, and finally threats that forced Sandmonkey to quit blogging.
    Freedom advocates and pro-reform groups are losing ground on daily basis. The regime’s capitalization on Western silence is turning Egypt into one large prison cell.
    As an Islamist activist, I condemn this crackdown on Sandmonkey, Amer, Moneim, and all other bloggers and civil opposition activists. As a blogger, I feel insecure, and am particularly worried about the regime’s crackdown on tolerant members of all groups, who are coming closer together, defending each others’ right, and building a strong, broad, democratic alliance capable of facing the regime’s tyranny, corruption and authoritarianism.
    I do not know what’s next. Phones are monitored, freedom of speech in newspapers is restricted, and blogger are intimidated. You are asking what leads to radicalism and terrorism? This is what leads to terrorism. I never find violence justifiable, but in a context where people are not allowed to think out loud, I could understand why some people resort to violence.

  290. Take care Sandmonkey, my only regret is I didn’t learn of your blog earlier. Stay safe and hopefully you can return someday.

  291. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    We Love you, take care. Please be careful, I will always love my Sandmonkey. You did more to promote a positive image of Egypt than any of your leaders ever did in my lifetime. They are fools, I am worried about the direction your country is going. Visa-V Islamicism. Be careful sweetheart, they may come after you anyway. You will be in my thoughts and prayers (I know your opinion of religion, fear not I am a non-denominational Christian). Please try to come to America, we will fight for you. Bless you.

  292. Good bye Sandmonkey. You are a breath of fresh air. Keep safe and well. ……………..from Buenos Aires, Argentina,where I live and read your rantings. You are an international figure…………….I will miss your rantings, I feel sad……If you ever come to my country please write to me. I would love to meet you. (Don’t worry……….I am 64 years old married gal!!!)

  293. 29Victor says:

    Go with God.

    Be safe.

    Thanks for everything.

    You’re history (I mean that in a good way).

  294. Egypt has no concept of their loss. I will miss you tremendously. Be safe and may God bless you.

  295. Sorry to hear of your decision, SM, your blog was always educational and entertaining (ok, maybe flip those around). I agree with others suggesting you get out of Dodge.

    Canada has “Refugee Status” – I think you can apply on landing here, might want to consider that?

  296. If School Sucks and Mona are Egypian prototypes then Egypt must be a heap of muck. Good Lord, you two alone are capable of destroying the reputation of your country without even trying!

    Mona, I’m saving your comments in my emergency kit. If ever I suffer of food poisoning, reading your hateful drivel will act better than a finger down my throat.

  297. oh come on man!

  298. Good-bye, friend.

    I’ll be looking for you on the otherside.

    Do not go gentle into that good night,
    Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
    Because their words had forked no lightning they
    Do not go gentle into that good night.

    Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
    Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
    And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
    Do not go gentle into that good night.

    Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
    Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    And you, my father, there on the sad height,
    Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
    - Dylan Thomas

  299. My Hat's OFF to you Traitor says:

    My hat’s off too you, you poor Sandmonkey. You Sob more than the extremely exaggerated Halocaust.

    A Genuine Benidict Arnold indded. A Traitor – a sell out.

    Now you get to live in the States or Canada indeed as a wannabe refugee, NOT BAD.

    Hey people who read this are okay with pedophile gay priests, why not be happy with asell out like you tryna open the gates to Troy.

    I so hope they get you, you claim to love Egypt but you hate it because it reminds you of your sorry self.

  300. Sure there are some things in Egypt that need to be reformed but this retard here was not doing anything to advance the cause,but he was just trying to gain attention and notoriety while hanging out with expat types, tourists, and wannabes. Looks like the Pharaoh caught up with your ass LOL!Egyptians are a strong and patriotic bunch and when they have had enough they will let the world know,but it will not be because of one thing this attention whore did.

    Good Riddance!

  301. Harry Fucking Potter says:

    Libyan Warrior, School Sucks, Celebrating, Mona etc. Don’t waste your breathe it’s like tryna preach the Gospel in a gay bar or crack house here.

    Let them have their fun but you must admit that SM was ridiculously fun to read.

    Ramba, Charlie, Eva etc. instead of bawking at them (US) why not just understand things as they are you internet hooligans.

  302. Harry Fucking Potter says:

    Gina’a my first Lady ; | Gotcha Back all the Way.

  303. I’m so sorry Sandmonkey, so many people love you and will miss you and cry for you. Hopefully you can get to America or somewhere else safe if you want to. People will read your words here for many years, and we will read new words from you someday too. Thank you for fighting for freedom, you have made a real difference, and inspired many current and future fredom fighters.

    Hang in there, God bless all of you who want freedom, be careful out there…

    .
    absurd thought -
    God of the Universe hates
    infidel bloggers

    getting truth out makes him mad
    keep the people in the dark
    .

  304. Legion of pharaoh's NJ says:

    CONGRATULATION’S SANDMONKEY ON YOUR CONVERSION TO ISLAM YA MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Turns out that you became a martyr after all sob sob sob- in your words a Jihadi Fuck- all the same.

    “School Sucks” said it- “It’s hard to practice what you preach and stand up for what’s right.”

    But at least now you can become a political refugee after they arrest you and do a little time, all you have to do is show that you payed the web-hosting bill and that you are the Sandmonkey and then you are free to eat chocolate chip cookie dough flavored ice-cream, wipe your ass with Charmin two ply toilet paper and all the amenities of the free world. Very resourceful you are and I know you will do it but what will you rant about then????

    Abortion, gay rights, Naah that’s not your style.

    Enjoy the ice cream dude don’t bother tryna get a visa here go straight for the refugee thingy man, you will get our tax dollars as a monthly support.

  305. I’m so sorry Sandmonkey, so many people love you and will miss you and cry for you. Hopefully you can get to America or somewhere else safe if you want to. People will read your words here for many years, and we will read new words from you someday too. Thank you for fighting for freedom, you have made a real difference, and inspired many current and future fredom fighters.

    Hang in there, God bless all of you who want freedom, be careful out there…

    .
    absurd thought -
    God of the Universe hates
    infidel bloggers

    getting truth out makes him mad
    keep the people in the dark
    ..

  306. So sad to here your gone stay safe and at least you will be behaving and not misusing the veseline.

    Sandy knows who I am, I am sure if he had the balls to go with that four/4 inch cock of his to blog again he will dedicate a full page to me as his so called X, YA RIGHT- not in a million years.

    Told you you had it coming and you aint seen nothing yet!

  307. Mate, all the best in ” life after blogging” stay safe and have stella on me. take care , cheers. If you ever want to say something you are more than welcome @ http://egyptiankangaroo.blogspot.com/

  308. You were just a poser anyway.

  309. KOS OMAK

  310. I seriously doubt anyone is looking for SM, obviously this is just another one of his cries for attention.

  311. ip blocked who cares says:

    sad sad sad, why not let us have fun?

  312. Nice, looks like “Mona” has a lot of sock puppets.

  313. ip blocked who cares says:

    Sandmonkey start asking for donation money, you know your get away money and then ask some ricj jews to match every single donation then you can retire and think of all the ladies you can get along the way.

    What do you say…I’ll put $50 in your account just to give you a hard on.

  314. Blood Money says:

    Sandmonkey start asking for donation money, you know your get away money and then ask some rich jews to match every single donation after that you can retire and think of all the ladies you can get along the way.

    I’ll put $50 in your account just to give you a hard on.

  315. never repent says:

    you know what I wish after you get out of jail that you come and visit Israel with your family and have one of them get their head blown off then start blogging again and all these soothsayers wont even give you the time of day unless you talk about how incredible it was to see your family decapitated.

    Try blogging then.–

    Good night Panzy!

  316. If everyone is going to pile on I have to add a comment.

    Mona, you seem to hate the Sandmonkey and his ability to talk to any culture that he wants, or even better anyone who will listen. It is not wrong to look for peace, even with Jews. You and every Egyptian should thank him for attempting to humanize people in Egypt. Things can get very bad and it will be very fast if you are not careful (that isn’t a threat, just the way things seem to go).

    libyan warrior, your spelling has improved. Have you left the U.S. yet? I would love to hear about the time you overcame being nothing more than garbage on a highway. You must have accomplished something in the last year…probably not. I don’t really care as long as you go back to the promised land and get out of my country.

    B.J., have fun saving lives M.D. (the only people I will ever be jealous of are M.D.’s) and everyone else, even Canadians, good luck.

  317. a malaysian reader says:

    just want to say thanks for the good articles u posted… hope u see u again.bye

  318. No to Blood Money says:

    just say NO!

  319. Lovely! This has turned into a fight fest between the pro-Sandmonkey crowd and the anti-Sandmonkey crowd. Why am I not surprised?

    I predict the comments will hit 400 pretty soon.

  320. Mixed emotions about you–Reason being you come off as a little insensitive & pro-Israeli and didn’t seem to give two shit’s about little Arab babies being slaughtered bla bla just to make your point that Egypt has problems, so at first I branded you a traitor in my mind.

    Don’t get me wrong, I went to school with Israel’s till the day they got drafted to the IDF right after high school and then never seem to hear from them again, possibly because of my families political connections.

    But no matter how much good you do when overlooking things like the above it is hard for me to turn the other cheek but anyways good luck dude.

  321. Mona what are you what are you , twelve? all these cock sucking jokes are kinda lame, you sound like one of those multiplayer game addicts who always lose. And why do you keep coming back? You just wanna piss people off by graffiting a tombstone.

    Fuck truth your never going to find it, but sandmonkeys reality is half decent anyway. Funny too.

  322. one mo Mo says:

    La2aaaaaaa!

    an egyptian away from egypt, i relied on you for so long to hear whats really going on in my country, the country i love, the country thats now in deeper shit because we`re losing the voices that expose the hypocrisy, lies, and corruption.

    i dont blame u for taking this decision. live and know that you have educated people that will take this fight a step further.

    salam ya m3lem

  323. Not much of a fight it has turned out to be becuase those who are pro Sandmonkey are just passing time no matter how deep their conviction but those who are anti Sandmonkey wont actually mind a few scrapes in assuring that they are not messed with.

    In any case make love not war.

    Sandmonkey in advocating freedom you went one step too far and pissed off a lot of good people who aren’t really afraid to speak out and be considered underdogs on your website. Oh how everybody loves a winner…

    But are you a winner.

    At least you will be remembered as the one who blogged with balls but ran with his tail between his legs.

    You travel a lot so why don’t you just blog from wherever man if you really love us readers so much.

    You can’t have it all, in order to win over a crowd you have be hated by another and so on and so on but now you gave up on the crowd that so passionatly followed you. What kinda crap is that?

  324. Is it true if not then all I can say is: …….
    WHAT A BRILLIANT PUBLICITY STUNT.
    yOU ARE MORE FAMOUS NOW THEN BEFORE YOU GOT EVERYPAPER ON THE PLANET TALKING HOW BAD EGYPT’S FREEDOM OF SPEACH IS, SO MAYBE YOU SUCCEEDED AFTER ALL!
    EVEN THOUGH YOU POLITELY BOWED OUT I BET YOU
    MUBARAK IS REALLY PISSED NOW DUDE I WOULD TAKE A PLANE TO MEHICO IF I WERE YOU MAN.

    LIKE YESTERDAY.

  325. You know here in boston some of the Egyptian Doctorate students are flabergasted that you lasted so long spitting out crap about Egypt. These are highly respectable people and members of the Egyptian American community here.

    It’s the Arb’s in Roxbury I would worry about because they want a piece of you bad and what they would do to you would really make what the government in Egypt would do a joke in comparison.

    So unless now you set the record straight with an apology you are on your own dude.

  326. Bald-Headed Geek says:

    Goodbye and farewell, my friend. I wish you nothing but success in the future………..

  327. People with the semi-developed brain like Mona, are sadly the typical egyptian and arab mindset.
    They believe the world revolves around them only , and everyone out there is trying to destroy them. When will you retards learn that you(yourselves) and your own government are your worst enemy? no not Israel, not the US nor anyone else, its people like you who will bring this country lower on its knees than it already is…. Just take a look how you lashed out at someone who is merely posting his own opinion on a blog.

  328. There are other important things you have to do, Insha’llah….and I believe that it is so willed.

  329. Steve from Florida says:

    Sorry to see you go. I enjoyed popping in occasionally and getting your take on life. It’s funny to read that so many people are givng you a hard time for stopping. I wonder how many of them would have taken the site as far as you did? Sometimes it it best to know when to retreat, regroup and fight another day. Hope to read you agian sometime. Don’t give up hope. When I was growing up I thought there would always be a communist Russia and they’ve been gone for a decade or so now. Things do change.

  330. Habiba says:

    Things that make you go hmm… Americans and Israelis love you and Egyptians hate you. Hmmmm smells like Mossad to me.

  331. Very Sad to see you laying your blog down, but under the circumstances. Could be for the best, better than seeing a good young man like yourself put in an Egyptian Jail.

    Thought you were one of the best of all the ME bloggers. Definately been one of my favorite reads. Thank you for the words, thoughts, and moments
    you shared with us.

    Walt

  332. WOW I am flattered that so many people are genuinely shocked and making a big stink about lil ol me’s comments.

    Why lil all me of all the nastier commentators? because I am provocative in my own right that’s why & maybe because I wrote more than just 2 words and genuinely gave two fucks to say the least??

    If you can’t beat them join them- FUCK THAT!

    I can come here as much as I feel like, I am entitled to my opinion too cuz
    last time I checked this was a free world even in the land of Egypt.

    That is what Sandmonkey preached- correct? So sit back and weep and I don’t expect everyone to agree with me but it sure seems that I have touched a nerve with both sides ..

    If I was your typical Egyptian female I would be throwing myself at Sandmonkey or would have my own blog about broken hearts in Egypt bla bla etc. However I prefer to start an Egyptian patriot act on steroids group but can’t do that without offending somebody as opposed to where someone asks for a comment and I tell it like it is.

    It’s enough for me that several people have woken up and shared my view since I left my first comment although theirs have been much more derogatory, strangely enough I am the only one mentioned by name that must tell you something even though it’s actually pretty creepy.

    Re read my comments I preach love baby not hate but I take no shit either.

    Monkey showed no Mercy with his parsimonious praise of Egypt so why in the world should I let up, capiche?

    So here I go “ding dong the witch is dead, ding dong…”

    I can’t wait to check back tonight to see some smart Alec loser comments by the monkey bunch who take him as a freakin mascot and that’s it & I really can’t wait to hear my sister’s & brother’s tell it like it is.

    Try answering their comments instead# 357 & 358 are my bro’s who brought to my attention the slander of lil ol me & thought it was funny & told me to chill however more polite they maybe than myself I know well that they are not short of any feelings of animosity to the monkey, god knows us genuine Egyptians aren’t.

    Yes I said genuine Egyptians, with our 5 star hotels and urine in the street next door to it, with are illiteracy rate, unemployment, the freak’n police shuving sticks up peoples asses (speaking of Shuv, he should get one). With all our narrow minded mentalities etc. It’s a package deal.

    Mocking your country- it’s like mocking your own child because he is retarded or something unthinkable & evil like that especially when your country is poor but has potential and is clouded with clowns who think their shit don’t stink like or buddy here. Use your repertoire accordingly but know ” I am the monkey I want attention, I don’t even know why it is I do what I am doing, maybe it because I can & that’s it)

    If Egypt becomes a Jewish state, a Chinese state an Iranian state or a freak’n gay state we will love Egypt PERIOD and nobody put it down like Monkeypants did at least not in my face. Like a coward behind your keyboard fine but never in my face.

    This is Mona speaking thank you & if you don’t like it then love it or leave it alone.

  333. Sandmonkey has nothing to apologize for. Men are born free even if evil ignorant controlling dictators declare otherwise. A body can be imprisoned and a person can be mocked, but a man’s thoughts cannot be controlled by another…No matter how threatened others might be.

    A strong society can take criticism. Only the immature cannot.

    Sandmonkey, I’ve read a lot but not commented much. Thanks for your contribution to the cause. Now get the hell out of that country and continue your work. You will do yourself no good to get arrested, and you can do good for others if you take it on down the road.

    As to those who think that SM should be condemned for his words, you might want to know that it doesn’t take a brain surgeon or reading a blog to know exactly how much the government of Egypt stinks. You think that SM made it look bad? Oh man they’ve always done a really fine job of it on their own.

    SM put a human face on the situation there, and for that he should be commended. I know that my own heart softened to know that there are people there who are strong enough to speak their mind, especially with a sense of humour.

    He made the Egyptian people look BETTER. Put that in your pipe, people.

  334. Hannah says:

    I am *very* sorry to see you go. I can certainly understand the reasoning, but you should know that even when I didn’t agree with what you wrote, you exposed me to political opinions and ideas from Egypt that I probably would not have otherwise known.

    If you ever come to Brooklyn (hey, we’re safer than Egypt!), drop in and say hi.

    Best regards (be safe),

    Hannah

  335. HABIBA CONTACT ME THAT IS THE BEST COMMENT ON THE THE ENTIRE COMMENT POST WE CAN DO THINGS…..
    GINA YOU TO…..

  336. Did you ever see the movie “Midnight Express”? Its about an American who gets thrown in a Turkish prison for smuggling drugs. I bet Egyptian prisons are just as bad! Stay safe SM!

  337. Egypeter says:

    I’m sitting here laughing my ass off at the ridiculous comments and threats that are being made. No, really, it’s given me a pretty good chuckle.

    Like that dumb-ass camron who threatened SM that “the Arabs in Roxbury” are gonna get him. LOL. What a chump.

    And Mona – C’mon, that’s not your name. You can’t even be a woman with a mouth and a mentality like that. I can almost guarantee there’s a penis b/w your legs…I’m right, aren’t I?

    With crazy-ass fundies around him it’s no wonder SM wants to get the hell out of Egypt. That’s a loss for Egypt and reasonable Egyptians… not SM!

  338. Am I the only one sees past this drivel…. “same way I ignored all the clicking noises that my phones started to exhibit all of a sudden” hmmm considering egyptian intelligence have a worldwide reputation, i find it really doubtful that they still use the ol’ style tapping into phones method. I think you’ve been watching too much Columbo.

    Egypt mostly cares about arabic blogs because they don’t want their own people getting any revolutionary ideas. Since 99.999% of Egyptians can’t/don’t read this blog, i doubt very much the state gives a damn what is written on it. It’s read by westerners so poses no real threat to ideas in the country. Proof of this is: less threatening articles have been written in arabic yet have led to arrest and imprisonment of bloggers, as we have recently seen. Secondly, it is laughable to think that intelligence services who have a great history of successfully outwitting Mossad (very highly esteemed) have to resort to asking tom, dick and harry on the street to gain their information. The author of this blog has put enough personal information for me to know who he is, so I doubt very much that the whole Intelligence service can’t figure out who he is. ‘Just one more thing sir’ is that stopping blogging would not stop any prosecutions anyway as all the stuff has been written already and there are lots of hateful people out there who have probably made copies of stuff on this blog, if the author thought to delete it.

    Ofcourse, writing this stuff sounds impressive for those who don’t know how things work in Egypt, but it just makes no sense.

  339. Desertwigger says:

    I am so sorry you are quitting.
    God bless you brave Sandmonkey! Your blogs will be sorely missed
    Take care and shukran!

  340. Take Care SM. I, for one, will miss you…

  341. EGYPETER you made me at a loss for words but in a way you are definitely right I do have a dick between my legs & it’s my 10″ Mandingo U.S. marine x-husband’s & ya I do got a dirty mind and can hang with the guys. Ever see G.I. Jane? Difference is i hit the bell with the bat & my Sargent & got an attitude problem do you have a problem with that lol. But I’m flattered again that you think I’m a guy are you?

    But now back to your comment
    1. Camron only plainly warned monkey about the sandiggers in Roxbury who really want to hurt him he didn’t threaten him at all. Nobody threatened him out of the nearly 400 comments get your facts straight.
    2. monkey doesn’t want to leave Egypt, you have absolutely no idea who he is and who he works for & what his plans are or you would think he would have left already.
    3. I am surprised that this all the monkey bunch had to say back to me till now, you guys made it seem that I am a worse enemy to him then Mubarak.
    4. I love & respect constructive criticism but I hate constant constant constant constant constant constant RIDICULE.

    Next……..

  342. Another voice has been stifled, a voice that will be sorelly missed. The Monkey, was provocative, informative serious, mischievous and more, but above all he made his readers think.

  343. Mona’s quite the lady. lick it out this, fuck that, 4inch cock the other thing. You kiss your mother with that mouth? Hmm, if I didn’t know any better, why I think I’d make generalizations about Egypt & Egyptian women based on your comments.

  344. :S
    hope watever u r choosin is better for u bro
    n i hope u never quit writing … as far as i can see all ur readers are quite upset..
    n bzw..blogging comes with stuff like fame n other stuff n dats not bad..
    becoz if ppl like ur writings then it ain’t bad..n if young bloggers see u as an example..it ain’t bad too :)
    it’s somthn that tells u that u r doing a gr8 job n that u can write stuff that can change ppl’z minds .
    i’ve been tryin to call u but ur mobile is off :S
    tc bro
    n cheer up.. becoz as caesar always says..it ain’t theirs , egypt is ours
    n b0kra will be better…just try to work for that , so until u figure out ur next step…i wish u da best of luck monkey :)

  345. hmm, man, is that a late april fool?
    seriously, are you joking? :)
    come on, you have the guts!!!dont you? you can do it
    anyway,,, i wish you good luck

  346. Should I get real and believe you…or consider this post written in a time of temporary despair?
    SM, it’s not like you to give up. It’s not like you to stop your thoughts getting across to people because you’re ‘afraid’, or as an objection to the way things are going in the egyptian blogosphere. You’ve always objected by saying “No!”, not by hushing up! You taught us not to! So don’t give up now!
    We’re all concerned about our safety…and those hard times will probably stay for long, but quitting is just about the worst thing we can do.
    I agree with Seraph
    “Do not let them win. Continue the fight!”
    Take some time away, SM, but do come back, for us, for our people, for Egypt, for the world.

  347. Geez, SM, is there some way you can let it be known in the times to come that you are OK and still fighting the good fight? I know I for one will never again be able to read an article or hear a news story about Egypt without wondering what your take is. I will also miss the cool Egyptian people who write in the comments, in fact I will miss everybody. Maybe an erzatz SM blog could be kept going by we the readers, then you could post your responses just like everybody else. I guess the internet really is a threat to stupidity.

  348. damm, sad to hear it.

    Hope all is well, and the thought police don’t get you.

  349. Sam,

    I’m sorry to see that you are not going to blog again. We became good friends despite our very different political views. I’m sure all of us learned so much from blogging. It is sad to see you leave because of someone trying to silence you.

    Thanks for all what you have done for me. I will call you :)

  350. BJ,

    If you are still reading, I think we need you to know out few women on this thread. This is when your expertise will come in handy ;)

  351. Take care, Sandmonkey! I hope the day will come again when you can blog once more.

  352. BrooklynJon says:

    Two,

    Yes still reading. I’m a little overwhelmed by some of the hate out there. I mean, people have different opinions (like me and you, f’rinstance). I respect that. But the viciousness and nastiness in some of these comments…wow.

    Anyway, I didn’t quite understand what you were telling me. Rephrase, please?

    bj

  353. BrooklynJon says:

    Two,

    Oh you mean Mona and her sandy, um, orifice? I can’t say for sure, but I’m guessing she would not prefer to be taken care of by a nice Jewish doctor. Maybe I’m wrong, but it’s just a hunch.

    bj

  354. tyrannized says:

    dude take care , hope it won’t be long . thx for all ur posts .

  355. BJ,

    Yeah I meant knock them out :) I guess it is a cool punishment for them to be taken care of by a nice Jewish doctor :)

    BTW, I have been super busy and not blogging, I have a little problem though, if SM will shut down the blog, where am I gonna go to vent and fight with nice Jewish people like you? :)

  356. I don’t know why I have the feeling that if I allow myself to respond to some, this thread will be the best finale of SM blog with over 800 comments.

    Oh Lord I miss the good old days :)

  357. I understand the break. The democracy movement in Egypt (and the middle east as a whole) has been a disappointment the last few years. It’s difficult for people to put their lives out there when the momentum has dried up and there’s nothing to protect you. I’m sorry if you feel my government has abandoned you guys. But if you don’t know what to do right now, I certainly don’t either.

    I wish you wouldn’t use the word quit, because I look forward to reading you again in the future. I believe I will, and I believe that you will see great change in Egypt during your lifetime.

    It will come. Good wins in the world. And though things haven’t worked out the way you hoped for lately, you can’t go wrong doing the right thing and being true to your beliefs. You’re courageous and you’re one of my heroes.

    Best of luck…

  358. Christian_B says:

    I understand your concern, but I hope this isn’t the last we heard of you. I wish you all the best Sandmonkey.

  359. Good Riddance! you were a disgrace to us liberals.

  360. Kareem says:

    Thanks Heba(374) :) FINALLY a smart response!

  361. It is sad, Mona, that you cannot articulate your thoughts without the crutch of vulgarity. You desperately want to stand out in the crowd and this is the only means left to you. What you and the other detractors have in common is a tremendous jealousy of Sandmonkey and his international success. You keep forgetting one thing though: you cannot beat his talent and wit no matter how hard you try. That’s what made Sandmonkey who he is. “lil all me” is what you are, Mona, and it is all you’ll ever achieve in the blogospere. So wash your mouth with bleach and take up knitting. It’s my sincere advice to you.

  362. Mona is Back says:

    And Sandmonkey will be too, it’s just a publicity stunt people.

    As far as the nasty comments go that is what true intellectual blogging is about because you EVA have no idea who the hell I am nor what I have accomplished on the bloggesphere.

    For all you know I can be one of Sandmonkey’s disgruntled gimps posting these comments for ya’all to feel so sorry for him. We all know it is not beneath him.

    I don’t know how long you have been reading his PAID FOR WEB BLOG but remember when he bad mouthed mr. Such & Such who was invited to Israel as an Egyptian blog expert? It’s all about the ratings hun & the approval of our camp David Zionist Apartheid friends, Man was Sandmonkey EVER SO MAD & JEALOUS of him.

    Fact remains I don’t write all the comments on this thread & many a people just said good riddance, fuck off, suck my _ _ _ _ or whatever, yet it is people like you who are making it apparent what he really is & the more muck you cause the the more people go Hmmm maybe he really is Mossad..haha Did you SAY MAYBE!!!????

    Whatever, Next…….

  363. you will be missed!

  364. Hi Sandmonkey,

    Welcome to reality. All of this talk by the Bush administration of pushing for democracy in the Middle East turned out to be hog wash as soon as the strategic interests of the US shifted. To say that democracy cravers such as yourself and others like myself in Saudi Arabia have been duped by the sweet words that came from the White House in 2002-2005, would not be an understatement.

    I undertstand your disappointment and frustration at being stuck where you are. I also understand you wanting to take a break from blogging and chill out for a while. Seeing what they did to that other blogger in Egypt (4 years in jail for criticizing Mubarak) it is probably better that you be more cautious for the time being.

    But do come back to blogging soon and don’t leave Egypt! Your country needs you and other people like you. Don’t give up the fight.

    Stay safe!

    Cheers,

    Rasheed

  365. I dont see whats so intelectual mona your assaulting his credibilty thats just about it. People like Eva? what did Eva do wrong? how is she causing muck, your the disgruntled one. What changes if he WAS mossad? he’s still got valid viewpoints.

    -shuv (who has yet to find a better blog to bother reading)

  366. I am an egyptian living outside egypt and I knew about your blog from an article in the christian science monitor (u r famous ha!). i was reading your post “done” when I moved to reading “endgame”. I just have nothing to add to what you said in this post, but I finally felt that there is someone in Egypt who thinks the way I think. For that reason, I hope that after things calm down a bit, you continue writing your posts, because, we (egyptian expats) need it to know what’s happening in our beloved country.
    Thanks

  367. Mona what the hell are you being so abusive for? Seems like you have a personal problem with Sandmonkey in which case I suggest you take it to e-mail. I don’t even know who you are (did you ever comment here before!?) and I’m no fan of many of the SM readers but after going through all these comments I can’t find anything anybody said to deserve the ration of shit you started dispensing. You are way out of line, and for you to be playing the victim is just a bit too damned much…

    Sandmonkey sorry to see you go, yours is the last of the “major” ME blogs I’ve been following. I guess I’m pretty much done with trying to follow middle-eastern political blogs now. Although I intend to keep reading the few “persona” arab blogs that I have come to love. Honestly, though, I think you are doing the right thing. I don’t know what’s going on with you but your blog hasn’t been the same as when you actual used to be RANTING every day! It is supposed to the RANTINGS of a Sandmonkey, right? :P

    Well, come on back whenever you’re ready. But bring the rants.

  368. Dude! Your comments section is turning weird.

    Well, I wouldn’t have the courage to blog in a hostile environment. It’s all I can do to brave the wrath of my boss. And my boss doesn’t have much in the way of wrath.

    Take care. And come back when you can, hm?

  369. AnaHuna says:

    SM, take heed my friend. Shot you an email. You know what I feel right now, so power on love.

  370. Loved your blog. Hope to see you up and blogging again someday.

  371. Rasheed,

    All of this talk by the Bush administration of pushing for democracy in the Middle East turned out to be hog wash as soon as the strategic interests of the US shifted. To say that democracy cravers such as yourself and others like myself in Saudi Arabia have been duped by the sweet words that came from the White House in 2002-2005, would not be an understatement.

    For one thing, the announced Bush Administration policy for supporting democracy everywhere in the world (not just the ME), came in his State of the Union Address of January 2005, right after he was inaugurated to his second term. Not 2002 – 2005 as you say. Sandmonkey was blogging before that, so I doubt he formed his views based on having been “duped” by that speech and that new American policy announcement.

    Moving on, though… if you thought Bush was promising to install democracy in the middle east, you were mistaken. Not “duped” – you misunderstood, you were not lied to. Bush said “If you want democracy, America stands with you.”

    Show me where in the middle east people want democracy, and the US let them down? And please do not insult my intelligence by claiming that the opposition in Egypt is pro-democracy. And is there even any opposition movement in KSA? How about those wonderful pro-democracy guys in Gaza? And even in Iraq… they voted, and who did they vote for? They voted for tribal leaders, carpetbaggers and religious parties. And then they blamed their problems on the leaders they themselves voted for. To their credit, at least they did vote, in large numbers, and it was a wonderful thing to see… for a while.

    The US can’t force democracy where it’s not wanted. And, it’s not wanted, in the ME. It’s not our fault. It’s yours.

    There may be a majority in Lebanon that is pro-democracy. But that’s the only place. And the US has supported them. And continues to. And the US is not alone with that support. But, unfortunately, Hezbollah (and Iran) is calling the shots in Lebanon, and the pro-democracy folks don’t seem to be willing or able to do what it takes to throw Hezbollah over the side. We’ll see how things work out. Things haven’t gone to conclusion in Lebanon yet.

  372. dont play my words i was addresing your veiwpoint not mine.

  373. Canadienne Errante says:

    The tone of some of the comments is really quite appalling. Can’t we just wish Sandmonkey well and hope that he blogs again when he feels safer? As for criticizing him, why not do so on your own blogs? Do the Egyptian posters who are using terrible language and accusing Sandmonkey of being in the pay of Israel have any idea of what image of Egypt THEY are giving to foreign readers? Here’s a PR tip: don’t go around asking strangers you disagree with if they are Jewish. Most educated people in the West cringe at that question and assume the questioner has all the mental integrity of either Goebbels or Borat.

  374. Mona Sympathizer says:

    Do Egyptians accusing Sandmonkey of being in the pay of Israel have any idea of what image of Egypt THEY are giving to foreign readers?

    YES WE DO, WE ARE GIVING THE IMAGE THAT WE DO NOT LIKE PERSECUTED JEWS TURNING INTO MONSTERS & KILLING ARAB BABIES, WOMAN & CHILDREN.

    ASK 99. MAYBE 7 % & THEY WILL TELL YOU THE SAME!

    APARTHEID SUCKS.

    WE ARABS MIGHT NOT WIN BUT WE WILL NEVER SUBMIT TO ZION-NAZISM KILLING OUR PEOPLE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.

    PITBULL WARRIOR FOR LIFE.

    YOU GUYS SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES TRYING TO THROW WORDS AROUND AND PICK ON AN OPPRESSED YOUND LADY LIKE MONA.

    WHAT PART OF WE DON’T CONSENT TO THE KILLING OF UNARMED WOMAN & CHILDREN DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU CAN WRITE !! ? !!

  375. I’ve read your blog from my deployment to Iraq, through Qatar, past Kuwait, in the United States, vacationing in Israel, and now sitting at my university back in the U.S. It’s been a long road for both of us.

    I look forward to your return.

    -Jami

  376. JEWS TURNING INTO MONSTERS & KILLING ARAB BABIES, WOMAN & CHILDREN.

    Which culture teaches it’s children to don suicide laden jackets and walk into a crowded shopping area? Which culture trys to make heroes out of the misguided fools who commit such atrocities? Which cultures pays families if a member blows him or herself up in a crowded place?

    “We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”

    Sound familiar?

    You cannot shake hands with a clenched fist .

    Mona Sympathizer, you poor fool, may God bless you with some wisdom, someday.

  377. Mona Sympathizer says:

    I can’t believe you think that justifies killing the inarmed woman & children.

    Shoot terrorists fine but not the kids, God take the hatred out of your hearts & the power out of Jewish hands & guide the lost Jews back to rightousness & abolish Zionism.

  378. Hannah says:

    Wait, wait, wait. Did someone say he was arrested? Ok, since *I* don’t have his contact info, can someone call him to make sure he’s OK? Or, alright, SM if you’re reading this, put a Jewish woman out of her worry and just let us know you’re OK.

    Thanks!

  379. I’m sorry you’re feeling the pressure, SM, and I’m sorry so many people (Arabs!) are saying things like ‘good riddance’ and calling you a Mossad agent. With friends like that, we freedom-loving Arabs do not need ANY enemies!

    I suppose you can always start another blog.

  380. brooklynjon says:

    Mona Sympathizer,

    “I can’t believe you think that justifies killing the inarmed woman & children.”

    I suspect you and I are playing with a different set of facts. Briefly, I’d like to set out a position which I believe most of the “Zionazis” posting in SM’s comments would agree with. I invite you to comment.

    1) I’m Jewish, and I have nothing against Islam in general, Muslims in particular, or non-Muslim Arabs, so long as they are not harming me or my people.

    2) I desire that Jews (as a nation) have a “national” homeland, i.e. a state in which Jewish interests are protected. The fact that this is a Jewish state does not mean that non-Jews should be excluded, or treated as second-class citizens. Non-Jews should have their civil rights protected. But the “Jewish” character of the state should be preserved.

    3) The area that is traditionally the Jewish homeland has had Jews and non-Jews living on it for thousands of years. I wish none of these people any harm. I am all for other people having their soverign nation states living alongside the Jewish state, in peace. I acknowledge that seeing an area that had been part of Palestinian land become Israel may be painful. I acknowledge that seeing an area that had been part of the Jewish homeland become part of a non-Jewish country may be painful. That’s life.

    4) The creation of the state of Israel by the UN was associated with bad behavior by all sides. Among the consequences of this bad behavior was the creation of two groups of refugees of roughly equal numbers – Jews into Israel and non-Jews leaving Israel. I think it best if the refugees stayed, like essentially all other refugees in the world, stayed where they fled to: Jews in Israel, non-Jews in the neighboring countries. The refugees should be accorded respect and treated well. ALL refugees should be fairly compensated for their lost property. This includes Jews and non-Jews.

    5) All religions and religious institutions should be accorded respect. This applies to all religions in all places. All places.

    6) Incitement of hatred against the other should stop. By everyone. My saying this should not be taken to mean that I believe that actual incitement to hate is actually being done by both sides in the conflict. In fact, there is good evidence that it is principally being carried out by one side. Regardless, it should all stop.

    7) Children should not be used as combatants or as pseudocombatants. If children want to be combatants or pseudocombatants, it is the role of adults to prevent this.

    8) Civilians should not be deliberately targeted. Civilians should not be deliberately used as human shields by combatants, whether knowingly or unknowingly. A combatant, purposely using a civilian as a human shield who draws return fire which harms the civilian, is morally culpable for the harm to the civilian.

    9) People should be allowed to speak freely, regardless of how unpopular their speach, so long as they do not actively encourage harm against others.

    10) The status of “occupied” places should largely be determined by the will of the people living there.

    11) The past is over. Everyone should stop dwelling on it, if only for their own sake. I look forward to a peaceful coexistance with all people.

    My humble proposal.

  381. Give “the man” hell. You will be missed

  382. elmagnoon says:

    Good riddance

  383. poul granum-jensen says:

    I am afraid I have nothing original to say.Just want to give you my full sup-
    port.
    A country that is afraid of words is in deep trouble.

    Best wishes,
    Poul.

  384. Mona Sympathizer says:

    BROOKLYNJON,

    Just a quick note, I have nothing against Jews just as you have nothing against Muslims as long as they are not hurting me nor my people either & there is no doubt in my mind that there is an excess of over 10, 000, 000 God fearing human beings of Jewish faith, I know all of Jews are not bad.

    Is Israel bad?

    Ask yourself this, are all black people bad? No, but the really bad apples in American society are mostly black, therefore they have been branded & labeled as such in a way that affects all black people living from Brooklyn to D.C. in a terribly negative way.

    The same goes for what a handful of Jews who fought for an independent Jewish state called Israel did in the 40′s. Now “Well-to-do” black people have learned to distance them selves from such elements as Afro-American thugs & that is why they have excelled in American society. I know it is not that easy to distance yourselves from an entire nation & leave them to drown amidst hostile Arabs. Even Jews who don’t believe in a state of Israel will come to the rescue, as every Arab in the Middle East will for sake of Palestine regardless of whether or not they agree with Palestinians just for the simple fact hat they are their brethren. It is a ludicrous situation. God fearing Jews not blinded my zeal should see the problem & tell Israel to shape up.

    It wasn’t easy but it worked for Afro-Americans distancing themselves from the bad apples of their race & I strongly recommend that the 10, 000, 000 + good distance themselves from Israel which is the bad apple of Judaism. The only other alternative is for Israel to change it’s government & apologize & compensate it’s victim’s [as Palestinians should do as well/both ways] as you suggested & then just simply say “WE ARE ISRAEL, WE ARE HERE & WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!” Perhaps then a sit down for some kind of a solution to the 1967 border issue could be in place & a mutual concession found.

    However Israel will not do that because they have gone way to far already. The Arabs have gone way to far already. You say you support a Jewish homeland where Jewish rights can be protected, is that in the Torah- “NO” Israel is a run away state just s the concept of SHIA Islam is, they are a sect, an idea, a cult, IRAN being the capital. As Israel & Iran alike claim to practice the most fundamental style of both their religions respectively, as a matter of fact the biggest Jewish community in the world after Israel is to be found in Iran, I am sure you know this fact already.

    In the end even the word Arab relates to us both. The etymology for the word Arab is Abraham, hence the words HeBrew & AraBic, in your language & mine are pronounced the same Abri & Arabi, respectively.

    I am sure that some of the radical crowds are saying I have gone soft by trying to articulate my view to a supporter of the state of Israel, but it is just really sad & misfortunate to see such strife & carnage continue in the region.

    They would say perhaps consider a Jewish homeland not necessarily run by Jews ho0wver this would not work. As you said a Jewish state doesn’t necessarily exclude non Jews which means that they would undoubtedly be given their rights. However we both know that is not the case & as embarrassing as it may be, Israel doesn’t give Palestinians or non Israeli Arabs from so called Arab countries their rights, they have different health care systems, different roads to travel on as well as segregated bathrooms etc. it’s the world’s last apartheid, a completely segregated political system. So I presume the same would be true if the state was run by other than Jews, No?

    I believe any state has the right to exist if it is founded accordingly with the consensus of all it’s natural & indigenous inhabitants.

    Israel is very bold & hence boldness must be fought with boldness, this is impossible when you match state of the art weaponry with rock’s therefore they are a people pushed over the edge & entangled in a web of terror.

    By the way, it is easy to be overcome with emotion when brainstorming such a topic especially when so much blood has been spilled especially on my side yet I am still trying to stay positive & objective & obviously my name is isn’t Mona supporter, but I’ll stick with it for now.

  385. Mona Sympathizer says:

    Why No reply yet?

  386. Mona Sympathizer says:

    BROOKLYNJON,

    Just a quick note, just as you have nothing against Muslims, I have nothing against Jews as long as they are not hurting me nor my people either & there is no doubt in my mind that there is an excess of over 10, 000, 000 God fearing human beings of Jewish faith, I know all Jews are not bad people, far from it competely.

    Is Israel bad?

    Ask yourself this; are all black people in your city of Brooklyn bad? No, but the really bad apples in American society are mostly black, therefore most black people in general have been branded & labeled as such, in a way that affects all black people living from Brooklyn to D.C. in a terribly negative way.

    The same goes for the handful of Jews that fought for an independent Jewish state called Israel in the 40′s did as their legacy continues till this day. Eventually “Well-to-do” black people have learned to distance them selves from such elements as Afro-American thugs & this is why they have excelled in American society today. I know it is not that easy to distance ones self from an entire of their nation of their same faith & leave them to drown amidst belligerent neighbors. Even Jews who don’t believe in a state of Israel will come to Israel’s rescue, as every Arab in the Middle East will for the sake of Palestine, regardless of whether or not they agree with Palestinians, for the simple fact hat they are brethren. It is a ludicrous situation. God fearing Jews not blinded my zeal should see the problem & tell Israel to shape up or distance themselves from Israel entirely.

    It wasn’t easy but it worked for the affluent Afro-Americans distancing themselves from the bad apples from their race & I would strongly recommend that the 10, 000, 000 + Jews distance themselves from Israel which is the bad apple of Judaism.

    The only other alternative is for Israel to change it’s government & apologize & compensate it’s victim’s [as Palestinians should do as well/both ways] as you suggested & then just simply say “WE ARE ISRAEL, WE ARE HERE & WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!” Perhaps then a sit down for some kind of a solution to the 1967 border issue could be in place & a mutual concession found.

    However Israel will not do that because they have gone way to far already just as the Arabs have gone way to far already as well.

    You say you support a Jewish homeland where Jewish rights can be protected, is that in the Torah- “NO!” It is man made, Israel is a run away state just as the concept of SHIA Islam is, they are a sect, an idea, a cult, Iran being the capital. Israel & Iran both claim to practice the most fundamental style of both their religions respectively.

    As a matter of fact the biggest Jewish community in the world after Israel is to be found in Iran, as I am sure as you already know.

    In the end even the word “Arab” relates to Hebrew Jews as well as Arabs alike. The etymology for the word Arab is Abraham, hence the words HeBrew & AraBic, with the heavy emphasis on the vowel and the letter “B” in your language & mine it is pronounced the same Abri & Arabi, respectively.

    I am sure that some of the radical crowds reading this are saying I have gone soft by trying to articulate my view to a supporter of the state of Israel, but it is just really sad & misfortunate to see such strife & carnage continue in the region.

    They would say perhaps consider a Jewish homeland not necessarily run by Jews however everyone knows this will not work. As you said a Jewish state doesn’t necessarily exclude non Jews which would mean that they would undoubtedly be given their rights. However we both know that is not the case & as embarrassing as it may be, Israel doesn’t give Palestinians or non Israeli Arabs from so called Arab countries their rights, they have different health care systems, different roads to travel on as well as segregated bathrooms etc. it’s the world’s last apartheid, a completely segregated political system. So I presume the same would be true if the state was run by anyone other than Jews in light of what has transpired all this time in Jewish governed Israel, No?

    I believe any state has the right to exist if it is founded naturally, peacefully & accordingly with the consensus of all it’s indigenous inhabitants.

    The state of Israel is very bold idea with tremendous support worldwide yet when disagreed with, those drawn into conflict have no alternative to fight boldness with boldness, this is impossible when you match state of the art weaponry with rock’s therefore they are a people pushed over the edge & entangled in a web of guerrilla terror tactics, their only viable shimmer of hope against brute force & repression.

    By the way, it is easy to be overcome with emotion when brainstorming such a topic especially when so much blood has been spilled on my side obviously my name is isn’t Mona supporter, but I’ll stick with it for now even though I am trying to open dialogue & stay positive & objective.

  387. I was taught in school to hate israeli’s and jews. they tell us that they are our no.1 enemy…, While praying in the mosque, the sheihks ask God to exterminate every jew and israeli.

    On tv shows all israeli men are named sham3oon and all women are named rasheel. The are portrayed in a stereotypical manner; wicked and corrupt,
    women are portrayed as sluts who would sleep with anyone for their country.

    I wonder if it’s the same on the other side of the media too?

  388. castaway says:

    The void of true freedom is apparent in the reluctance of the average Jo in Egypt to speak out about anything and us the more affluent crowd speak about freedom but to no avail, I count my blessings & just sigh that another voice has been stifled even though that might be the voiceferous voice of an elitist Egyptian, who in my opinion may or may not have cared at all about Egyptians freedom, but my guess is that he cared more about his own plateau but in any case was drowned out by about all the confusion.

  389. Mona Sympathizer,

    I believe any state has the right to exist if it is founded naturally, peacefully & accordingly with the consensus of all it’s indigenous inhabitants.

    Then no Muslim country has the right to exist. Including Saudi Arabia, which was taken by force from the pagan tribes.

    Speaking of force, Arabs invaded the land you call Palestine and I call Israel, and took it by force, in the 7th centrury.

    Get off that land, Muslims. Mona Sympathizer just said you have no right to exist. Vacate or die :P

    And while we are at it, Muslims, out of Egypt. Vacate or die. Mona Sympathizer says modern (Muslim) Egypt has no right to exist, as it was conquered by force without the consent of it’s Christian inhabitants, in the 7th century.

    Do you even think about what you are saying before you start talking, Mona Sympathizer?

  390. brooklynjon says:

    bob,

    “I wonder if it’s the same on the other side of the media too?”

    Good question.

    The short answer is “no.”

    The longer answer is that Jews have their extremists, just like everyone else. I’m sure those extremists hold extreme beliefs, and probably have no love in their heart for Arabs and/or Muslims. Those extremists are rather few in number. They also do not claim any theological underpinning for their hatred, but rather they hate in response to what they perceive as their having been wronged. Those extremists have been marginalized both by mainstream Jewish society, and by Israeli political society. In fact, the extremist political party, Kach, has been banned in Israel for some time.

    I went to Hebrew Day School for five years, studied at Yeshivah in Israel, have been going to Jewish religious services for more years than I care to admit. I have heard griping about this or that atrocity perpetrated by Arabs.

    I have never heard

    1) a wish for any ill to come to any Arab/Muslim who wanted to live in peace
    2) a belief that Islam is a false religion
    3) a desire to subjugate Muslims

    In synagogue, we have prayed for peace. We have prayed for the dead of all religions. We have mourned all innocent victims of war. My synagogue is not at all left wing. I can’t imagine that anything like what you hear at a Mosque is happening at any synagogue (though I haven’t been to all of them, so I can’t say definitively).

    Theologically, Judaism has no problem with other coexisting religions. If your religion brings you closer to G-d, and encourages a peaceful, charitable existance, Judaism teaches that it is good. So it would not make sense for a Rabbi to rail against the practitioners of other religions. In fact, as Judaism sees it, Islam is the religion most closely related to Judaism, so while I am forbidden to enter a Christian church, I am allowed to pray in a mosque.

    In other words, no.

  391. brooklynjon says:

    Craig,

    All people define the starting point of history for themselves, and usually do it at the most auspicious time for them. As far as AQ is concerned, history started just as the Christian world started to beat back the Caliphate.

    You and I tend to thing history started in 1000 BCE. Muslims, logically, prefer to start the clock when it suits them. I’m sure the Assyrians would pick a different time, 500 BCE or so.

    The problem is that every place on earth has had a variety of different inhabitants on it. Defining an original inhabitant is hard enough. Figuring out who their heirs are is impossible. That’s why I think, as fun as it is to argue about the past, the most important time in history is now.

  392. Mona Sympathizer says:

    You guys are poisoned more than the misinformed suicide bombers!

    Show me where I once wrote that Israel does not have the right to exist or that they must vacate the premises they hold as your examples that Muslim have no right to live in Egypt. The people converted to, well actually reverted to Islam-the people who already lived there.

    Show me where i said that Israel doesn’t have the right to exist & I will show you a clip of me with my ass painted blue on geocities.com wearing a pink too-too.

    Craig you should list to brooklynjon even though he said that Muslims choose to start counting time from where it suits them it’s called the advent of Islam but Brooklynjon seems moderate enough to be actually able to sit down & get somewhere constructive with him, until the radical element [as brooklyn noted] such as yourself jumps in toignites ME peace, why not take aplane to Jerusalem & enteranother mosquee with a desert eagle & start taking lives. I actually believe that Israeli’s might want peace but it is radical elements living in America & else where that wont allow it, since Israel is so reliant on foreign aid. I just have a hunch…after seeing the way you misconstrued my comment.

  393. brooklynjon says:

    Actually I said that everyone tend to start the historical clock when it suits them. Not just Muslims.

  394. brooklynjon says:

    Mona Sympathiser,

    I had a very nice response to you on the other thread that got swallowed when I tried to post it.

    Suffice to say:

    Your experience on the road was with non-citizens. Israelis – whether Jewish or Arab or Druze or whatever – would be allowed to use the road equally. Apartheid is when you treat your citizens unequally onthe basis of identity, not when you treat citizens and non-citizens differently.

    I hope what you say about the Arabs wanting peace if the Israelis pulled back to the 1967 border is true. I suspect it is not, based on the history of the last 60 years. But if it is, that’s terrific, because the majority of Israelis would be willing to take most of that deal. If there’s a little negotiating room around Jerusalem, maybe we can give you something else you want, and a deal could definitely be struck.

  395. Mona,

    The people converted to, well actually reverted to Islam-the people who already lived there.

    Oh for fuck sake. The people of Egypt were part of the Byzantine empire when Islam invaded. Alexandria was the spiritual center of Christianity at that time. The people didn’t voluntarily convert, you cock sucker. Read a history book that wasn’t written in an Arab country, for a change, why don’t you?

    You don’t even realize that the rest of the world has an entirely different version of world history than you, I bet. I shouldn’t be mad at you, I should be feeling sorry for you. But somehow I’m not. I’m sure this isn’t the first time that somebody has pointed out your version of history in the ME is false. You just prefer to believe a pleasant lie than an unpleasant truth, that’s all.

  396. Mona sympathizer,

    Should Poland, France (the biggest part), Hungary, Czechoslovakia, the Ukraine and parts of Russia have been returned to Germany after WWII was concluded? They believed those were German lands. As a matter of fact Germany was considerably smaller after WWII than just before because she launched an aggressive war and lost. Five Arab nations combined forces to drive the Jews into the sea, women, children and all, be careful of the stones you cast they may come right back at you. That’s what happens when you launch an aggressive war against a sovereign nation and lose, you lose land, people, wealth and the respect of the international community. Don’t get me wrong, I know it’s not as cut and dry as that and I’m not against land for peace, but I don’t think if the Israeli’s give up the land the Arabs will stop the murder of Israelis. What is happening now in Gaza?
    You state:
    “You guys are poisoned more than the misinformed suicide bombers!”
    And you call us extremists? Wow! The passion in your beliefs is very apparent but as brooklynjon states, “I suspect you and I are playing with a different set of facts.” One with a lifelong supply cultural and media bias of hatred of the evil occupier Jews, and mine, the one without. Can you answer the reason Pals are not permitted to settle in Egypt. Jordan, Saudi Arabia or most of the ME countries? You say the Israeli/Palestinian issue has to be settled before the ME democracy issue can be addressed. I believe you’re putting the horse before the cart. In my humble opinion, the ME despotic rulers use the Israeli/Palestinian issue as a festering sideshow to keep the peoples minds off the real issue, their brutality and inept leadership. If you had true liberty and freedom the Israeli/Palestinian issue would be easier to solve.

  397. Egypeter says:

    Craig – You da man!

    Your knowledge of Egypt is historically accurate. I mean, it’s right there for everybody to read (yes, non-Arabic please) and you’ve obviously read it. Well said man.

    I’m gonna miss a lot of you guys…

  398. Tedder, I’m glad you mentioned Czechoslovakia after the WWII. There is a significant example how a similar situation can be handled by different groups of people. After the war, all German-speaking Czechs (some 30% of the Czechoslovakian population) were deported to Germany, each allowed only one piece of lugagge. They left behind all their possessions and 500 years of history. At the time, they threatened to come back to what they justifiably claimed as their homeland. Now if Germans happened to have Palestinian set of mind, there would be blood running down the streets of Prague to this day. There would be Hanses and Gunthers blowing themselves up in the markets, on busses and in restaurants. Fortunately, Hanses and Gunthers were not brought up to be martyrs and prefered to go on with their life and prosper. The Palestinians go on destroying any hope of prosperity and, worse, keep wasting the lives of their children.

  399. Craig, tedders, I have the feeling that Mona has the same personal vision for history as her readings of the koran versets, alike the numerous imans in each mosquee, not sanctionned with a scientific degree, but here she just make the donkey to get corn

  400. “but here she just make the donkey to get corn”
    I’m going to miss nomads French colloqualisms that are translated to English and sound a little funny to my ear!

    nomad. what Mona doesn’t seem to realise is that the Imans and the like that she wants to prevail would pull her feet first into the town square, bury her half way and then have her towns delequints take turns at lobbing concrete and other building materials at her head until there was nothing left but a bloody pulp for expressing her views publically in the vulgar and pornographic way that she has choosen. She seems to take pride in the fact that she acts like a man? ” ya I do got a dirty mind and can hang with the guys.” That’s not how a “man” acts mona, that’s how an ill bred uneducated lowlife acts, as a young man I wouldn’t associate with other boys that spoke and acted that way and if my sons had a friend that exhibited the uncultured manner with which you vocalize your thoughts he/she wouldn’t be around our vicinity long. Maybe I have a little in common with those Iman’s (albiet, very little!). Does she think she would suddenly become a good little subserviant muslim wife? Somehow, I think not! :)

  401. I don’t mind her/his ill-bred vocabulary, as a mere gallic, I am in used to have florished words though, but I find funny enough the way she/he pushes the conversation into previsible blabla :lol:

  402. Marfoun says:

    This is a response to “THE NEXT STEP”, but it no longer accept comments. Too bad!
    Thank you Sandmonkey for your explanations. They are clear and help us understand your decision. But still, it is very sad not to read from you anymore.
    Good luck!
    And, by the way, come and visit Europe too.
    Hope to read your rantings again sometime soon.

  403. Tedders, if you want to hear more from my colloqualisms, ask SM for my gmail, I can further conversations on there as I do already with a few personnalities who were polemic ranters here (I mean anti-frenchs) :lol:

  404. Waleed says:

    you got to thank God you quitted before you become famous, because if the news of your pro-Israel agenda and the little “buy Danish” ad in your front page made it to any Egyptian newspaper you would have been put in the public black list together with Mubarak and his gang and of course the notorious Al-Turbini (the mass murderer of homless children)

    the point is that you and the people who have an agenda similar to yours are no by means the alternative to Mubarak tyranny, the Egyptians hate and despise people like you as much as they hate Mubarak

    anyway,your blog was not for local use, and your fortunally your sole existence was not used by the regime propagandists to further demonize the Egyptian bloggers community, the Egyptian bloggers community should sigh in relief

  405. Waleed says:

    you got to thank God you quitted before you become famous, because if the news of your pro-Israel agenda and the little “buy Danish” ad in your front page made it to any Egyptian newspaper you would have been put in the public black list together with Mubarak and his gang and of course the notorious Al-Turbini (the mass murderer of homless children)

    the point is that you and the people who have an agenda similar to yours are by no means the alternative to Mubarak tyranny, the Egyptians hate and despise people like you as much as they hate Mubarak

    anyway,your blog was not for local use, and fortunally your sole existence was not used by the regime propagandists to further demonize the Egyptian bloggers community, the Egyptian bloggers community should sigh in relief

  406. Waleed says:

    Oh for fuck sake. The people of Egypt were part of the Byzantine empire when Islam invaded. Alexandria was the spiritual center of Christianity at that time. The people didn’t voluntarily convert, you cock sucker. Read a history book that wasn’t written in an Arab country, for a change, why don’t you?

    Craig…you da man……who doesn’t know SHIT!

    in what dumpster you found the book talking about the great life the Egyptians lived under the Byzantinan rule?…you have no idea that the Pope of the copts were in hiding until the Islamic invasion of Egypt, and ONLY then the man came out of his hole…

    you have any idea about the number of copts killed by the Romans?

    what FUCKING history you are ranting about??…..you didn’t read any fucking history…..what is the source of your lame ass assumption???

    history!!….what a joke!!

    anyway here is some history for you kid to ponder on

    http://www.middlenation.net/wp-content/uploads/christian_copts_convert_to_islam.mp3

    http://islamegy.wordpress.com/articles/copts_convert_to_islam/

    according to their lame ass assumption and vile propaganda we Muslims kidnap and force the coptic girls to convert

    let the other clown Egypter tranlsate the audio file for you….a recorded private meeting between senior figures in the coptic church….they discuss the kidnapping of coptic girls and the number of copts converting to Islam……now this is FUCKING history…..not your lame lies and basless hysteria

  407. Egypeter says:

    Waleed, you are no better than then the vermin Terrorists who are the scourge of this planet.

    Heaven help you.

  408. It is amazing how you guys have created a world of your own believing that you any influence to what happens around the world!!

    Sandmonkey…mate….your attitude, your bio, and your blind pro-western views while disrespecting the feelings and views of the majority of your people is sufficient to block their minds, and make them unwilling to accept your criticism and drives for change!! To make a change you need the support of people, and you made quite a good job to unite westerners with you in your case (who do not matter), while alienating those who matter: I am a radical pro-westerner…if it is not your cup of coffee…then leave!!! What a hypocricy this is to claim your desires to change with such an attitude!! This is what makes your motives questioned (please sod off?)!!

    Putting your amazing campaign on the side, how much do you think you represent….no…..what is the percentage of Egyptians you influence or who are capable of reading this blog? our of 80 million?! It is absolutely amazing how confident people are of their power and influence….

    The next step my friend should be changing your bio, stepping down from your throne, and talk to people in their language!!! It is strange how your education in the states did not teach you that despite how rediculous you would think the opinion of the opposing side, it still remains a view that you should respect!!

    Taking my last sentence further, Noma, Tedders, Eva and the alike…..what do you think you are adding to the argument except a useless Byzantine discussion that leads to nowhere!!! and for those who say that: Arabs lost their lands in wars they started so they cannot claim it back…..then very well….the struggle goes on……and perhaps one day another war would bring it back!! Human history proves that the balance of power among nations change!!! No mates…work for peace…it is the better choice…!!! Sharon, one of the most radical leftists polititians, after being in power, realised that things do not work out this way, and started the Kadima party……try to learn something!!

  409. Egypeter says:

    And nice references Waleed. Did we just not say to use references/history that isn’t Muslim progpoganda?

    Here, why don’t you take a look at this. First hand accounts of Egyptians who engage in nefarious plots to kidnap/brainwash Christian girls. I’m sorry if you claim not to believe it, but I bet deep down inside you know the truth.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18167

    But don’t take my word for it, here’s what MEMRI says about the deteriorating situation of the Coptic Christians in Egypt.

    http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Area=egypt&ID=SP35202

    Get your facts stragiht guy and don’t believe everything you read in Egypt or every sermon you hear either.

  410. Gas, somewhere means what ever you want, as far I am concerned it represents a few people who do not spit anymore on the Frenchs the way they used to :P

  411. mona sympathizer says:

    Just for your info, Eva, Tedders, Egypeter & [Wanna be Radical- Craig]. Brooklynjon not included but on reserve to jump to their rescue after he reads this…I just want to say “you guys think you know but you know nothing” & Craig don’t get me started with the vulgarities because you don’t have a chance against my filthy wit & tongue & follow the example of your local Rabbi dude.

    Jews in general are some of the most learned people on earth & always have been but what seems to escape you is that if Israel was in the right you guys would just be ignoring me right now but instead you all are trying to gang up on me by compressing me under limitless tons of crap so I said screw it & was n’t even gonna bother remarking any further. I believe the peak of positive dialogue has already been reached, but when I read my homies remarks ” HABAYBI” [Waleed & GAS etc.] I just thought what the hell, they saved me a lot of stress & took the words right out of my mouth, I couldn’t have said it better- Thanx Guys!

    Just want to say one thing to Brooklynjon before I sign off till next time, you are absoulutly right apartheid is when you treat the Citizens of your country in such a manner. However, any people that you control or are in charge of also pertains. The definition actually is a completely segregated political system, don’t take my word for it look it up on MS Word. In any case whatever the words say, it doesn’t make it right to treat non citizens like that especially when they are the spoils of war & living booty of a war that has ended but a conflict that is on going & those with the deepest passion & highest spirituality would undoubtadly win in the end, whether it be the Muskims or the Jews.

    How come you guys don’t hand out on any Muslim Pan Arab websites? Can’t stand the heat? Or even better yet why not the site of an equivelant of Sandmonkey such as a Pro-Islamic left wing Intifada supporter who is 3rd generation Israeli citizen, huh? Ummm, maybe cuz non of them exist & if they do they surely wouldn’t waste their time or risk it for a little fame cuz Mossad would have their asses so quick you before you could even say Barmitz_ _ _.

    Shalom.

    P.S. Mona, if you are reading this hunny, if you don’t reply to my email, I am going back to using my regular name Castaway. For Pete’s sake look at the grind you put me in, what a name I am using “your” supporter, give me a break!

  412. Castaway says:

    Patriots of Egypt & defenders of rightousness, warriors for the oppressed, deserving a free Egypt, as much as it has been fun coming to this site, it really is just another hoax where wee can come to vent & brush up on our commentary skills & used ti be able to be amused by the only advocate to change in Egypt thaT HAS A TOTALLY ANTI-iSLAMIC PRO-iSRAELI AGENDA. I MEAN COME ON YOU CAN’T REALLY FIND THAT NOW A DAYS, IN A WAY HE WAS A FREAKIN GENUIS- iMAGINE THE RATINGS- ONLY 10% OF VISITORS TO HIS SITE PROBABLY LEAVE ANY COMMENTS.

    IN THE END WHAT i AM SAYING IS LET’S NOTWASTE OR TIME. iI WISH ANYBODY WITH A HALF A BRAIN THAT CLAIMS WE ARE BRAINWASHED & RELIGOUS GEEKS TO COME DOWN & SMOKE SOME MOROCCON HASH ON HOOKA & IF THEY STILL FEEL LIKE RANTING THAN MORE POWER TO THEM. tHAT USUALLY WORKS FOR THEM.

  413. brooklynjon says:

    “polemic ranters here (I mean anti-frenchs) :lol:

    Hey!

    I have nothing against Frenchs! It’s just that I prefer Grey Poupon.

  414. I hesitated during the last couple of days whether I should post a comment or not, but waleed convinced me! Coming after mona & her sympathizers, I just cannot keep silent. Shame on you all, you have disgraced Egypt and all of us Egyptians, expats or not! It is unfortunate enough that you cannot voice an opinion without spewing out a vulgar cackle of obscenities, but you have no right to pose as representatives of the Egyptian people. You should make it clear that you are presenting your own PERSONAL opinions. You are not our spokespeople, & will not even be remotely elligible before you do a lot of growing up, learning how to be tolerant, & yes, even using bleach to wash away the foul language!
    It all started with mona & her attacks on SM. I, along with others here, suspect that there’s a personal axe to grind here, but let us assume that this is not the case as she claims. According to mona, she attacks whoever….(messes up) with Egypt. Yet, a libyan “warrior” made a most derogatory comment about Egypt, mona did not flinch!!! She says “Pakis” offered to pay her money for info about SM, I wonder if she notified the authorities whose praises she’s singing about them? The way things are in Pakistan, no good would come from such a querry! Clarify your stand for us mona, is it acceptable to have non-egyptian meddling? If you are going balistic in defence of Egypt, you’ve been uncharachteristically silent.

    After the “defend Egypt ” excuse, it became “palestinian babies”! How exactly did this blog harm those babies? Is it by daring to have an opinion that is different? Have you all lost track of how vital & sacred is freedom of expression? The same freedom that mona mentioned when she said that she has every right to post here. That freedom does not stop with you. You have every right to voice your opinion in a clear decent way, but you have no right to throw tantrums everytime someone begs to differ. you have no right to throw around unsubstantiated accusations & defaming others without proof; specially when it is about a “treasonable” accusation. Using the palestinian issue as a “cover-all” excuse to stiffle dissent is a disaster, remember what happened circa 1967. I will even remined you of two other events, check old newspapers microfilms to verify them. When Sadat returned after signing the peace treaty, people were dancing in the streets, Moshe Dyan was warmly welcomed in Cairo, by the people! When Youssef El Seba3y was assassinated, & some PLO people expressed glee, normal Egyptians went up to their offices from the streets, spontaneousely, and threw all the contents from the windows. The government had to beg the people for the safety of palestinians in Cairo. Do you understand why am I mentioning these events? It is not to give you a new chance to scream “treason” or whatever, but you kids have to know that things are never simplistically black or white. You managed to express hatered , or at least a total lack of tolerance or acceptance for anyone who is different from you, jews,isrealis, copts..anyone, everone! If you have set up to present yourselves as nationalist ‘J I Jane/Joe’, you have instead managed to portray ‘verbal/intellectual hooliganism”. There was a BBC documentary about Egyptian history, at the end the presentor made a comment about Egypt having “the HABIT of civilization”, stay true to your roots kids, & please choose a role model other than Shaaban abdel rehim!

  415. BJ, sure, grey poupon should give you an hot impression of french flavours ; seems some of you got a “haut-le-coeur” (a vomit) though !

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Poupon

  416. @ Mona symp / Castaway (453):

    I rather suspect that they get tired of being called pigs, traitors, etc. by closed-minded reactionaries and outright psychos. Many of these people reach out their hands across the divide but only stick around where they find someone willing to take those hands.

    Your logic makes no sense. It is quite possible for someone to be right and rational even though a large number of people attack them. Sometimes people who disagree with you are not being defensive; they are simply disagreeing.

    Ultimately: Israel has the same right to exist as Egypt, Turkey, Iran, Saudi, USA, China, Spain, etc. The same arguments that are used against Israel could be used against many other nations, but few nations are targets of centuries-long irrational hate-fests as Israel has been.

    There are many creative, decent people in the Arab world. They don’t appear on TV much, but they are there, and they deserve a future in which their own governments and religious leaders don’t threaten extreme violence if they speak their thoughts. They deserve a future in which their media and schools do not spew an endless, overblown stream of propaganda against their neighbors, telling their kids that it’s infinitely desirable to become a suicide bomber who murders civilians. They deserve a future in which they are not held hostage to the actions of Palestinian mafias masquerading as “liberation movements.”

    If you can break free of your own very dearly held point of view and see things from another angle, I salute you. If not, well, may you have a good life in your narrow little world.

    -Zvi

  417. @Brooklyn Jon 418

    I agree. Also, in some cases, compensation may be exchanged by both sides, if compensation is paid out equally to all refugees from the various countries (Jewish and Arab). If some countries are not able to provide compensation, then some other arrangements may be made, up to and including assistance from other countries who have played a role in enflaming and encouraging the conflict.

    Peace = full peace with full diplomatic and economic partnership.

    Neither Israel nor the PA can accept the Palestinian refugees. The first would result in a bloodbath of a civil war and the second in chaos and economic collapse. While Palestinians might be granted a “right of return” to the PA under PA law, a return by all Palestinians to the PA would be impossible in the real world. Most Palestinians would need to be granted citizenship elsewhere. Anyone who supports the Palestinians as human beings needs to accept reality. Anyone who just wants to use them to destroy Israel is an example of the problem rather than the solution.

    The peace agreement, once made, is absolutely final and irrevocable.

    Lebanon would be a special case; Lebanon’s Palestinians would go elsewhere.

    The holy sites issue can be solved creatively and without hurting anyone’s holy places.

    -Zvi

  418. brooklynjon says:

    Zvi,

    I fully endorse your modifications of my outline of a peace plan, which I challenge the moderates on the pro-Arab side on this blog to endorse. Let me be clear that when I say “challenge”, it is not in the sense of debating points, but in the sense of “encourage”. Stepping away from the brink of hatred is the first step in finding peace. The next step is giving up the past, and really meaning it. It just doesn’t matter whose great-great grandfather killed whose great-great grandfather, or who owned this particular olive grove in 1900 (except that there should be just compensation).

    The Holy sites should be turned over to Club Med, to be used as a time share, complete with “bar beads”. If the French can make a little money on it, they’ll round up support for it in the Security Council.

  419. sandmonkey good
    Mona if it wasnt for the billions we give asshats like you
    your vagina would be dried shut and you would be sold
    at a discount
    why we dont just smash your sorry asses back were
    you want be –7th centuy– is beyond my control but
    that day is alot closer than you may think
    probably why you are having a yeast attack
    sandmonkey has helped draw back the curtain
    on your dog and pony show ( ME Jew spew goo)
    that much more for the world to see and many more
    people are gonna be much more obliged to stick something
    bigger than SM 4 inch tool up your tiny little hole.
    so i suggest you run are off to iraq and have one our
    finest treat your little infection

  420. Zvi;

    Interesting and sweet….The Arabs proposed a similar peace plan with the remaining issue of the refugees…!!!

    Instead of having a response from Israel of: “No, we reject the plan because of some hanging issues about refugees who would cause the distruction of Israel from the inside”………..a better answer would have been: “Perfect, we accept this historical opportunity of being recognised by all Arab countries and have normal displomatic relationships…However, let us sit and discuss the issue of refugees, since Israel can never accept their return to Israel”.

    As for the refugees return to the PA, once again, Israel should mind its own business and only speak for itself!!! What an irony, you speak about a Palestinian government that can survive side by side to Israel, yet, with your suggested peace plan, you already start interfering and making decisions on their behalf…..typical!!

    Brooklynjon LOL my friend…you do not even exist to take even an idea of a peace plan further :) live in the real worl and only engage in a realistic constructive DISCUSSION

  421. GAS, BJ is already engaged in medical cares, and it is quite a lot of his matters but he is a sympathetic Bobo (bourgeois-bohême) though ! alike our parisians bobos, he is in the moving progressiv ideals, mostly voting for the left when the candidate looks like well educated with good maners and tastes as they do :lol:

  422. Pete V says:

    SM,

    man ‘o man, the day has come, be smart, know when to hold ‘em, know when to fold ‘em, be there for the next hand. Come to the US for a while, you could continue to write for all of those in Egypt, new era, blogging, yay baby, its the new path to enlightenment. Like the pamphlets of Thomas Paine on steroids. You must have been to Dr. Jack Wheelers web site (another personal favortie of mine) “www.tothepointnews.com” by now. He’s changing the world, you’d fit right in. Maybe that’s a spot. Just take care of yourself, beat your chest wisely, try to find a way to keep writing. So much left undone and you have been doing allot of it. Changing the world, yes you are. Thank You and Be Well,

    Pete V (from Miami if you care to vaca a little bit in high style)

    ps. gonna miss your sorry ass, but I’ll find you when you come back on the grid.

  423. Ok, fine we can get a little vulgar here just as we can be highly intellectual, but we are not the politicians, hence we don’t have to be held accountable as such.

    I for one agree that both governments Egypt & Israel have the situation under control more than any of you can fathom, trust me on this one.

    I never said I approve of & that I am defending my government. On the contrary I think it really really sucks & the ME as a whole deserves freedom of speech but if that were the case, since you guys can’t nuke us, you will just buy into Egypt & take it over cause we all know it is in the Zionist Israel’s mantra to own all land from the Nile to the Euphrates [Yup from Sudan to Iran] It all belongs to Israel so everybody get out.

    Yes the Arabs had their fingers in their asses when they tried to stop the Jewish Terrorists that wanted to settle there after the U.N resolution & accordingly they lost a lot of land in wars that |YES they lost.

    Just as their are many Israel’s that don’t approve of the Israeli government but since they are reliant on it for the protection of their families, they wouldn’t be caught dead relying on it.

    Oh & Mama MERYT I never said I am the advocate for Egyptian peace, they all don’t bother with such a site. I am an outcast of Palestine because I adopted American lifestyle along with my U.S. Passport so in fact i have just as much rights as you do. My real name isn’t Mona but I am provocative & i will die for what’s right whether you like it or not, but before I do I will stir shit up a little bit.

    I am an extremely good looking girl, that works out daily & while in Israel I was offered jobs several times at the numerous brothels [that are owned by the Israeli Russian Mafia- that give 25% discount to active duty soldiers] for U.S.$ 400 a day. The only problem is that I am HIV negative because if I were HIV positive I would have taken the job as well as slept with as many Israeli men as I possibly could. Ah what a God \Fearing country Israel is…Sigh…!

    Just as Israel pays Billions of $ dollars that is all welfare handout money to Israel to destroy the populous of all Arab nations by sending hookers with Aids as well as guys to Arab countries.

    I laugh at those who insult me using vulgarities regarding my private parts, I wonder if we were in a bar how long it would take me to make you scream for a peace of me? Not that I would be interested.

    Call me your average “Not the run of the Mill terrorists that uses bombs & go’s to mosques but call me some one with an EEXXTTRREEMMEE Enmity for Israel because I had a Palestinian Infant die in my arms that was shot in the liver. When you get shot in the liver you are a goner, really dark blood that comes out in chunks starts immediately coagulating & seeing the life being slowly sucked out of that infants eyes praying for help asking what they did to deserve this, to me is enough to set me off & say FUCK, yes I said FUCK any keyboard strokes ranting of how it should & should not be. I am only one woman but I will flaunt my stuff accordingly to my advantage till I can get a freaking politician in the sack till I slit their throat or at least ruin his freaking marriage.

    Now is that disgruntled enough for you?

    HaHaHa all you all just ask yourselves this question?? How many of you are ready to shut your computer off right now & go defend Israel or fight against it. My guess it is zero for Israel & about 50% who will fight against it.

    Even Sandmonkey who loves you guys so much wouldn’t bother I know for a fact his fat ass would be like screw that. Thanks Castaway 453 you hit it right on the nail, if readers could only see my other blog & how many Jewish sympathizers I got there for obvious reasons.

    You are correct this site is a waste of time, so to y’all see ya!!!! Wouldn’t wanna be ya?

    MONMON

  424. HEEheeeee

    I forgot don’t forget you silly’s, since you got more attention on this site then Sandmonkey himself….don’t forget to tell them to mention the sand in in your pus_ _ this & your dirty orfice that, the smelly bitc_ this & that.

    Wow what a diligent politically correct bunch of God fearing people that say you use vulgarity when you don’t agree with what Israel is doing to the naught naughty Palestinians. Malkish ha2 ya Mona, 7aliteehom ye kharafo gamed awy y3ni- wilad el lesoos dol. Da kalam gamed awy ilenty katabtee. Hadil nefous ba2a, Kefaya kida- Eshta?

  425. castaway says:

    HEEheeeee

    I forgot don’t forget you silly’s, since you got more attention on this site then Sandmonkey himself….don’t forget to tell them to mention the sand in in your pus_ _ this & your dirty orfice that, the smelly bitc_ this & that.

    Wow what a diligent politically correct bunch of God fearing people that say you use vulgarity when you don’t agree with what Israel is doing to the naught naughty Palestinians. Malkish ha2 ya Mona, 7aliteehom ye kharafo gamed awy y3ni- wilad el lesoos dol. Da kalam gamed awy ilenty katabtee. Hadil nefous ba2a, Kefaya kida- Eshta?

  426. Eshta!

  427. “Just as Israel pays Billions of $ dollars that is all welfare handout money to Israel to destroy the populous of all Arab nations by sending hookers with Aids as well as guys to Arab countries.

    I laugh at those who insult me using vulgarities regarding my private parts, I wonder if we were in a bar how long it would take me to make you scream for a peace of me? Not that I would be interested.”

    Mona, you are delusional and pathetic, you’ll be in my prayers for some healing wisdom and maturity. Remember, God helps those who seek his help.

  428. “I am an outcast of Palestine because I adopted American lifestyle along with my U.S. Passport so in fact i have just as much rights as you do.”

    My first reaction upon reading your last post was horror for that child & what you say you passed thru watching him die. However, you have not been very honest before, so I’m not sure I can believe you even if I want to! Why the lies mona? In your very first posts you clearly pretended to be egyptian :

    “I never said I approve of & that I am defending my government.
    What you fail to see Mr. SM is that all these positive remarks that are left on your blog are from people who aren’t your country folk & don’t give two shits about you in contrast to the other folks who posted derogatory posts here but do our duty to luv you as an Egyptian cuz it’s our duty in fact we would come to your rescue if your were to be physically harmed, because you are an Egyptian and that’s what Egyptians do best”
    “fuck with egypt u fuck with me ! ”

    “with my dirty corrupt sick ass country he is messing with 100, 000, 000 Egyptians.”
    After all that Egypt & the egyptians did for your people, this is what you have to say? How typical! Just like our Libyan neighbor’s comments. In my family, & it is only one among thousands, people have died in wars since 1948, and you still want more, while at the same time insulting the same people you are demanding that they should impoverish their children & die for you? Why not turn your attention to the PLO & Hamass? Why not ask why did Arafat start the “second intifada”? How much was his estate worth at his death? Direct your attention to your own people & clean your own house before you presume to harangue SM for his views, no matter how you dont like them.To go back to your first mentioned quotation, no you do not have the same rights to speak for Egyptians, in this respect, you have none whatsoever!

    “just as Israel pays Billions of $ dollars that is all welfare handout money to Israel to destroy the populous of all Arab nations by sending hookers with Aids as well as guys to Arab countries.”

    I think you meant USA?!! Aren’t you aware that we also receive “Billions of $ dollars that is all welfare handout money”? Your sentence is typical! This is paranoia, & self delusion, and extremely infantile. Do you really seriousely believe that? Assuming you are right (!!!) are these agents going around raping people, or are those arab men willingly make a conscious choice to sleep with them ? Why aren’t you blaming these “God fearing” arab men also? Do you realize how absurd & full of self-inflicted insults what you’re saying is? Arent there brothels in all arab countries? frequented by who exactly? Are you sure the prostitutes there are all HIV negative? Would you say this is a conspiracy of arab governments against their people? Are you using double standards? Think mona & grow up!

    “Oh & Mama MERYT I never said I am the advocate for Egyptian peace,”
    No, no one could make this mistake! However, try to grasp the fact that the peace treaty was signed with the blessing of the majority of Egyptian people. It was not a government decision imposed on them.

    Fifty percent of children in Egypt suffer from malnutrition, I think these babies deserve & have earned being given priority.

    Also that in any group there are good & bad people. You like to rant against Isrealies, think about the demonstrations which took place in Isreal against the sabra & shatilla massacres of palestinians,before making sweeping judgements. Demonizing people is only a sign of fear & weakness. It is an ugly blindfold used politically to distract people, & so is religious fanaticism.You want another conspiracy theory about buying & selling? who is trying to establish an Islamic “Vatican” & is paying lavishly for that? Why are they doing that? How are they doing that? Muse about it a bit.
    In the meanwhile & on a personal note, I think you need counselling. While you’re at it, leave Egypt’s affairs in the hands of Egyptians, we are mature enough to take care of it( that applies to Libyan whatever also).

    SM: Finally I get to say a word to you! Too bad you are leaving, I loved reading your blog. However, I am very pessimistic about the future. Lets face it, more crucial than political freedom, or at least just as, is the social & cultural malaise among the people. This is Shaaban’s time, not Hakim’s or Mahfouz’. Good luck with your future plans

  429. Pundit says:

    I am sure Mona doesn’t have to tell the authorities in Egypt who the Sandmonkey is as I am sure they already knopw. I commend her in not telling the so called Paki’s because it takes a lot of courage to not tell them after hating the guy so much. She held fast to her belief that even though the hatred, all he was doing was expressing a point of view.

  430. To all the haters out their. Haters of Truth.

    Meryt,
    Not that it concerns you but,
    I have lived in Egypt for 16 years on & off as my step mom is Egyptian, so I consider myself Egyptian, even my friends get surprised when they find out I am originally Palistinian.

    The protests that took place in Israel that you were referring to for the massacres was held by a handful of Palestinians that have been so lucky as to aquire Israeli citizenship, along with maybe a few bleeding heart Canadians or something that just happened to be there on holiday.

    Capiche.

    You guys really suck. Thanks for the prayers though…

  431. Thats the diff between immigrants to Israel & what all arabs have in common with one another regardless of a crapy lil book called a passport.

    Every Arab is …..

    Algerian,
    Moroccon,
    Tunisian,
    Libyan,
    Egyptian,
    Sudanese,
    Somalian,
    Eriterean,
    Djibotese,
    Saudi Arabian,
    Kuwaiti,
    Omani,
    Yemeni,
    Emerati,
    Lebanese,
    Syrian,
    Jordanian,
    Iraqi,
    as well …

    Do you you really think iron will crush human will???

    We might act as if we are okay with it but based on the sheer brute strength displayed by the armies of the so called zion [zion- was in Iraq by the way-get out Iraqi's it belongs to IUsrael-god willing the Americans will pass it off to them before they ever go]

    I might be a bitch that is gonna burn in hell I could give to fuck’s what you think, but I know it comforts you all to believe that & that you areall going to heaven, good luck.

    Any other weak arguments?

    Sorry Casty, they are just to pathetic.

    You tell them YES I agree with you that both sides committed atrocities, yet they bicker. You say yes Israel has a right to exist but in accordance to it’s actions even if that means that it must live in Eyternal fear, they take it out on us.

    Where’s TWORSET on all of this….?

    so shoot me the weak as arguments full of GEWyish propaganda….

    ALLAHI YAKHREB BAYT HITLER ILA KHALA WALAD EL KALB DOL YET NOTATTO 3L ALLAM KIDDA.

  432. _sucks says:

    I hate people who say stuff that makes no sense that Sandmonkey has better English then me, did you guys here his bloody accent, ooooofff. The Crayons comment was from a loser Charlie 319. Finished.

    I

  433. KamanWkaman says:

    To be an Arab & keep it real means not associate with conspirators against the Arab cause, look what they did to Mona who just cursed a little so imagine what these folks would do to actual arabs throwing stones literally at good god fearing israeli’s in bulldozers that are trying to demolish the homes of third world poor Palestinians.

    REMEMBER WHEN THEY KILLED THAT aMERICAN GIRL WHO STOOD IN FRONT OF IT? THEY KNOW THEY ARE UNTOUCHABLE AFTER WHAT HITLER DID IN WARSAW, IT WOULD BE UNTHINKABLE TO PERSECUTE THEM EVEN FOR CANNABILSIM BECAUSE THEY SUFFERED A SEVERE TORMENT FOR JUST BEING JEWS.

    I can understand there frustration but they all are in for a more severe punishment in the afterworld. Plus the fact that they will never reakky live in peace is by far a big enough torment for them.

    So don’t bother anymore.

  434. You imposter Mona. All this time making people think you are egyptian when you are palestinian!

    Ironic thing is you go on about how sandmonkey has tarnished Egypt’s image yet you my dear have tarnished Palestine’s image. I am so glad and not surprised that you re not egyptian. No self respecting egyptian would speak such trash. You can pretend you’re egyptian but your blood says palestinian. Run back to your country ya helwa. This country doesn’t need a hussy to defend it.

  435. You imposter Mona! All this time making people think you are egyptian when you are palestinian!

    Ironic thing is you go on about how sandmonkey has tarnished Egypt’s image yet you my dear have tarnished Palestine’s image. I am so glad and not surprised that you re not egyptian. No self respecting egyptian would speak such trash. You can pretend you’re egyptian but your blood says palestinian. Run back to your country ya helwa. This country doesn’t need a hussy to defend it.

  436. @GAS: any plan that dumps millions of Palestinians on the WB and Gaza will not only fail but fail catastrophically, no matter how much aid is offered. It’s a recipe for disaster. Such a plan isn’t a peace plan, it’s a plan to create a black hole.

    World leaders, and leaders of Israel and the Arabs, need to face reality: Palestinian refugees from 1948 will need to be granted citizenship in some of the countries where they reside. Reparations should be paid by the countries of origin, including BOTH Israel to the Pals and Arabs to the Jews who fled their territories; and for regimes that are both too poor to pay reparations and incapable of granting citizenship to their fellow Arabs (whose martyrdom they have repeatedly demanded), well, as I said, other nations have been stoking the conflict for their own gain for a century. They should help pay the final settlement, either monetarily or by granting citizenship to refugees, or both.

    @BJ Thanks for your response.

    Actually I believe that one option for the holy places is to redefine the notion of international borders to include vertical as well as horizontal divisions. Suppose that Israel had sovereignty over the Temple layers, starting at a certain depth, and a Pal state were to have sovereignty over specific layers above that depth and probably Israeli control over the airspace, with strong treaty provisions governing things like new construction, cooperation for disaster relief (imagine what happens if there is a severe earthquake or an Iranian nuclear strike) and a joint process for resolving disputes and making changes as needed. Etc. etc.

    Club Med sounds good too :-)

  437. Egypeter says:

    Dear Mona,

    Very first of all, regarding that strange “Arab list” you compiled….I’m 100% P-U-R-E Egyptian and am not an Arab! There is not a single drop of Arab blood that coarses through my veins. So that list you made up is horseshit.

    Now, as I read your posts, I’m not sure to laugh with you or laugh at you. I’ll be honest, you’re kinda funny and a little witty but then you post some seriously seriously crazy shit.

    Anyway, I hope you’re ok. And I hope you can get over your bigoted hatred for Israelis one day.

  438. Zvi…

    “dumps millions of palestinians”…..”its a plan to create a black hole”….

    {Sigh}

    At one stage of history your people was trashed by the Nazis….you managed to make the whole world for more than 6 decades now compensate and feel sorry for your catastrophe………and now, you are trashing the people who lost their homes because of your very reason of existence in Israel?! Isn’t history and irony? No Zvi, u do not dump human beings..you try to find means by which they can live a decent life…

    I am a Jordanian…and more than half of my people are decendents of Palestinian origins…Jordan did give them passports, and since then, we are working with them hand by hand to build our country!!

    Each time I try to overcome our bloody history, and dream of a possible peace with your people, I face a person like you who does not even have the curtosy to talk with respect about those who lost their homes and lands!!!

    The existence of people like yourself are what saddens me……but remember….as history proved…nothing will be solved till your people sit around the table and negotiate with respect!!! The struggle will go on since it will never be solved under the terms and mentality of people of your kind..

    what a shame

  439. A Crazy world that drives people to Crazy ends.

    Thanks Egypeter for the slight complement, I don’t know how you are even Jews can say that are not Arab as we all are descendants of his two boys Isaac & Ismael. Plus you speak Arabic so what are you like North African?

    Screw you ya Heba, Ya 3rousa. Huh where were you when you thought I was Egyptian, you were hiding behind yourself. I never said Sandmonkey tarnished Egypt’s image, he was just an all out disgrace if you ask me or any Jo on the street & who the hell is he anyway to tarnish it’s image. He couldn’t even if he tried & I think he has tried pretty damn hard & to no avail. You were the one saying Sandmonkey is a freaking liar about his phone being tapped & that you see through the drivel.

    What you & a lot of readers fail to see is that Sandmonkey once said his mom is a politician but after removing his bio for obvious reason’s, he says it is his dad who is a politician. Hmm a little controversial I would say.

    To KamanWkaman #474 you are absolutely correct but I can’t help it, it relieves my stress jerking off these jerk offs, it’s like play wrestling with kittens, you catch my drift?

    Hey it just occurred to that maybe because I am so politically correct all the time I am in need of the attention just as bad as Sandmonkey, but looking for it in all the wrong places.

    Oh ya one more thing Heba, don’t forget that I am born in the motor city & that means I am American so shut the hell up honey or I will crush you with my bank book. No more aid for you & your likes to go & enjoy Marina ya Amoura, Capiche? Just cuz I don’t have an Israeli or Egyptian or Palestinian passport, WHATEVER…….

    Umm what a Rush being the most popular girl, NOPE Person on this comment section, I mean wow.

    I guess I will be here till they take the site down, anyone care to fight on any of the other comment pages? Just tell me where & when & don’t forget to start a bogus topic & some lies & we can freestyle back & forth.

    We can do that whole “Jews eat blood thing all over again, huh”

    Happy Hanuka

  440. @ Gas
    Of course more than half of your people are Palestinian. Seventy-seven percent of historic “Palestine” is now the Kingdom of Jordan. If Israeli Arabs are “Palestinian” it only makes sense that most Jordanian Arabs would be “Palestinian” too since Jordan like Israel was created out of the territory known as Palestine. And while Jordanian Palestinians have passports, as they should, so do Israeli Palestinians. Additionally, negotiating with respect is a two way street. It’s sad that you think people like Zvi are the problem and not people who want to wipe Israel from the map! I think that those who hold that notion need to change their opinions before any negotiations.

  441. This is going furthur & furthur into the realm of the absurd & the weird!!!
    Are you calling me a “truth hater”? Mona, I’m not the one who flip flops & dances around facts! So, your step mom is egyptian & that makes you feel like one, how sweet! But you are right, that does not concern me, there is something called ‘too much information’, this is a good example,( along with the part of “I am an extremely good looking girl, that works out daily” that really made me laugh…how old are you mona- you called me ‘mama’ -so do i assume you’re 12?) If I had heard my son using a quarter of your…vocabulary, he would have been grounded till kingdom come!! Anyway, something else that comes with this ‘age’ is the tendancy to confuse disagreement or difference of opinion with strong personal emotions like hatered, throw tantrums, & worse of all think in terms of monolithic blocks – which are easier to deal with & comprehend . You have not only put all isrealis willy nilly in one block, but you also painted it in one color -black- whether they’re orthdox, secular, left, right…all are treated as one. Now, by the way, I really get to see what the saying “kuluh 3and el 3arab saboun” really stands for. What about Gush Shalom, Yesh Gvul, Courage to Refuse, Anarchists Against the Wall, Women’s Coalition for Peace, Balad, Hadash, Ta’ayush, the Committee Against House Demolitions, and the Alternative Information Center. Rabbis for Human Rights,LAW, B’tselem, Women in Black,
    Israeli Physicians for Human Rights,& Israeli Committee Against Home Demolitions and Neve Shalom/Wahat Al-Salem where Jews and Palestinians are struggling to build coexistence and support ? And no, before you say it , I’m not repeating ‘jewish propaganda’, nor working for the mossad etc etc, so dont bother pulling the old chewing gum from under the desk & try instead to think critically & freely, & DO SOME RESEARCH before you answer. Will there ever be a future for the middle east if even its educated find it easier to ignore the realities of political topography around them & resort instead to slogans , tantrums & foul language? Werent some of these organizations involved in the Sabra & chatilla demonstrations? Isreali arabs & canadian tourists sure chose some strange names for their organizations. Before you try to give yourself the right to send egyptian youth to their death & ruin their country , shouldn’t you explore the path of peace like the other palestinians mentioned above?
    I have one last question, since your post ( 472) was a bit unclear, are you saying that the political reality of the listed nationalities is a product of zionist army???”We might act as if we are okay with it but based on the sheer brute strength displayed by the armies of the so called zion” ! So before 1948 there were no egyptians, tunisians etc? Again the monolithic block? a block of weak entities who according to you are hapless helpless pawns made by ‘zionist …bla bla” How offending is that? all are indiscriminately arabs? What were they then before the seventh century? You would have one black block (Isreal) against one white block (arabs) as the reality of the middle east! no regional nuances…how simple! easier to appeal to an emotional outlook that is more content with throwing accusations than proving them, or mistakes provoking revulsion for provoking thought.

    I got bored & fed up frankly, so to sum up, though you as a palestinian have our compassion, that is not to be confused with citizen’s right. Harsh as it may sound, Egypt will NEVER be another Lebanon or Black September Jordan. You are welcomed to express your personal opinions, preferably in a language that does not soil our eyes & ears – if it is within your power to do that- but you may not deceitfully speak for Egypt & threaten an Egyptian in our name for his opinions, no matter how much you or I, or anyone for that, might agree or disagree with him. When you are speaking about a country that has sacrificed so many of its people & resources for your people, try not to use derogatory language : “with my dirty corrupt sick ass country”. If you cannot say thank you, at least try not to stab us in the back. Finally, you cannot think clearly, be rational & throw an emotional fit at the same time. One excludes the other. Calm down so you can be understood. Also, everytime you repeat one of these “conspiracy theories” around of HIV hookers, passports, Euphrates to the Nile & what not, know that you are only saying that you think of yourself as weakling , a scared victim, tossed around by overpowering malevolant forces stronger than you ( hypothetical not personal ‘you’). This is extremely unhealthy, actually quite pathetic. There are many people who are for peace on both sides, the future lies in that way, otherwise we will be left behind by a rapidly advancing world while we are mulling our medieval histories between sobs.
    If you want to comment, kindly use researched facts, not global unproven generalization.

    Salam

  442. ++

    oh my Lord, sad, bad news.. :(

    Egypt’s blog rebels silenced by jail
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/06/wblog06.xml
    http://tinyurl.com/38c8gd
    By Charles Levinson, Sunday Telegraph
    Last Updated: 12:31am BST 06/05/2007

    excerpt:

    [A popular Egyptian blogger known for his withering criticisms of the government has given up writing after becoming the latest victim of a state crackdown on dissent.

    The blogger, known as Sandmonkey, signed off last week, writing that he had noticed state security agents on his street and heard clicking noises on his phone. "There has been too much heat around me lately," he wrote.

    In recent months, the Egyptian regime has jailed several bloggers, ending a period in which it had taken a more relaxed attitude towards internal critics. Human rights activists claim the about-turn follows the US administration's decision to relax pressure on Middle Eastern governments to enact democratic reforms.

    During Sandmonkey's three years on the internet, his was one of the most widely read Egyptian blogs, popular especially among Western readers for his unconventional opinions about his country and the Middle East. "Cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled" was how he described himself.

    He is a 26-year-old American-educated investment banker, and his mother is a member of Egypt's ruling National Democratic Party.]

    *sigh*

    ==

  443. @ GAS:

    I have no problem with Palestinians being ALLOWED to return to the WB and Gaza as part of a solution, if they want to do that. However, don’t blow up the PA by expelling millions of people from the rest of the Arab world and dumping them on the WB & GS.

    Other countries should do what Jordan did of its own accord decades ago (yes, I was already aware that you had granted them passports), and what Israel did for the Jewish refugees from the Arab world decades ago: grant the refugees who settled in their countries passports and citizenship. It’s time for surrounding countries to stop sending explosives and propaganda and to start granting citizenship – building decent lives, as you put it.

    I hope you don’t think that these comments are aimed at Jordan. They are absolutely NOT. To my knowledge, Jordan never had a large Jewish community, so there are no Jordanian Jewish refugees that I know of; so Jordan doesn’t owe Arab-Jewish refugees anything. Jordan has already granted passports to a large Palestinian population of its own accord, and should not be forced to take more, or pay in lieu of taking more. Absolutely not.

    Furthermore, in recent decades, Jordan has CERTAINLY not stirred the pot for its own gain. The same Jordan that has a 50% Palestinian population has done a very decent job of keeping the peace on its border with Israel for the last 30+ years and preventing terrorists from using Jordan as a staging ground. Countries with far smaller Palestinian populations have done far, far worse. And no Israeli should ever forget how the late King Hussein left his sickbed to use his personal moral force to try to broker a peace agreement.

    I have a lot of respect for the Jordanian leadership for doing the right thing at a number of critical points in history. I also have a lot of respect for many Jordanians for doing the daily work of peace as well. I wish more people did the same in all of our societies.

    Finally: please remember that just as Jordan has changed drastically in the 6 decades since 1948 and the 30 years since 1967, Israel and the WB and GS have all changed drastically. The whole region has changed drastically. We can’t roll back time to the 1940s. We can only start with the modern world and build from there.

    > u do not dump human beings..you try to find means by which they can live a decent life…

    I agree 100%.

    Responses to your comments about me as a person:

    > Each time I try to overcome our bloody history, and dream of a possible peace with your people, I face a person like you who does not even have the curtosy to talk with respect about those who lost their homes and lands!!!

    I don’t recall talking of Palestinians with any discourtesy. I have a great deal of respect for decent Palestinian people just as I have all respect for decent Israelis or Iranians or Egyptians. There are many decent people in all of our societies. They all deserve peace and freedom from tyranny, not betrayal and bloodshed and brainwashing.

    > The existence of people like yourself are what saddens me……but remember….as history proved…nothing will be solved till your people sit around the table and negotiate with respect!!! The struggle will go on since it will never be solved under the terms and mentality of people of your kind..

    Since you don’t know me, I’ll forgive your confusion. You are reading ill intent where none exists. Please try to avoid making assumptions about my entire character and my entire outlook on the basis of my name and a few lines of text, especially without asking clarification first. It’s very easy to give in to prejudice online. For example, It would be easy for a reader who distrusts Arabs to jump on your line “the existence of people like yourself … saddens me” and think that you were some kind of lunatic who wanted to wipe Jews from the earth. But I’m confident that you DIDN’T mean it that way at all, that in fact you were simply wishing that [what you thought was] my attitude were different. It’s easy to misread innocent statements, so please be generous when we read these comments, and assume that any disrespect that you think you see might be completely unintended.

    Your other comments seem to indicate that you really do want to see the bloody mess resolved, and that you have tried to reach out in the past. I hope you’ll keep trying, patiently.

    In the end, GAS, we’re probably not that far apart. We would probably agree more than we would disagree. Yes, there would be a few points of strong contention. But heck, half of Israeli society has strong points of contention with the other half. It’s still possible to live in peace if living in peace becomes a higher priority for leaders than “power politics,” and if everyone’s media and the people on the street demand the building of bridges rather than the building of bombs.

    -Zvi

  444. @Mona
    “Happy Hanukah?” No, it’s Lag Ba’Omer!

  445. Mona, you have again proved what a miscreant you are. You use terms such as highly intellectual yet have thus far proved your self quite the opposite by a large degree. Your statement:

    “I am an extremely good looking girl, that works out daily & while in Israel I was offered jobs several times at the numerous brothels [that are owned by the Israeli Russian Mafia- that give 25% discount to active duty soldiers] for U.S.$ 400 a day. The only problem is that I am HIV negative because if I were HIV positive I would have taken the job as well as slept with as many Israeli men as I possibly could. Ah what a God \Fearing country Israel is…Sigh…!”

    Tells us other posters volumes about your gullibility, ignorance, racism, misanthropy, narcissism, immaturity…………. I could go on and on but why? It is intuitively obvious to the most casual of observers. You remind me of the girl who shows to much cleavage and thinks all the stares are a sign of acceptance but in reality are looks of disgust and embarrassment. If you really think you are the most popular person on this posting.

    “Umm what a Rush being the most popular girl, NOPE Person on this comment section, I mean wow.”

    I and possibly others here may beg to differ with you. While it’s entertaining to watch you express your thoughts, all you’re accomplishing is to verify the fool you are. What’s the old Arab saying: Keep your mouth shut and let people just assume your an idiot instead of opening it and verifying it. Something you may want to think about. God bless your gullible easily influenced propaganda filled minuscule brain. You can’t be more than 14 years old to believe the tripe your expressing here. I’ll be waiting for your pitiful but mostly laughable snappy retort. :)

  446. BJ,

    I told you to put them to sleep and you never listen to me :)

  447. For the short time I’ve been on the b-sphere, you’ve been a great read. I’ll check back periodically to see what you come up with– Good luck

  448. I checked in after a while and I see that the Mona Show is still going on. Shame on you, folks, for exploiting a mental patient. What she needs is a vial of downers and complete rest. Checking out.

  449. Karen :)

    LOL 77% of Jordanians are palestinians hehe and where exactly did u get this from? and then you say that Jordan is a result of the palestinian territory just like Israel? Is this a way for you to think of your country in a better way..that your not alone?! your country that was built on the homes and souls of the palestinians?! are you convinced of what you say or just saying it for the purpose of discussion?

    Jordan, Palestinine, Syria and Lebanon is one land….it was because of our laziness and stupidity that we allowed France and Brtian to break it down to those territories, and even worse, made someone smart like yourself come and blabber about our history and what needs to be done….

    unfortunately, we go to the zero point…..no matter what is going on in Jordan or anywhere in the Arab world is none of your business….so kindly stick to what you know and what you can influence…..we Jordanians are good enough to handle our own business :) definitely better than you guys do…

    Now since you start talking about my country I kindly ask you to shut up your face, and authenticate your information before you spit your rubbish around…

    I promised myself never to get involved in such discussions …. it is the truth that it is disgusting….you are disgusting….your words are sufficient to make any centrist reasonable person get mad….

    there are not any possible reasonable discussions with sick people like yourself…..

    Zvi…

    hmmmmm Well, it is true, perhaps my prejudices and inability to learn where you really come from resulted in my radical response (also typical)……and therefore, i beg your pardon ;)

    Probably we do agree more than we disagree….I believe that the main barrier to creating coexistence between Arabs and Israelis is that we still cannot overcome failures of the pasts, the bloodshed, and conflicts……hmmm it is true that most of us still do think in the 1940′s, and till we get out of this paradigm, it will be difficult to move peace talks…

    I participated in a journal that brings together Jordanians, Palestinians, Israeli Arabs and Israelis together in an attempt to create peace opportunities in the Middle East…Yet, I lost faith, and once again, felt helpless to make any difference…

    from my experience, it is possible to create coexistence between our people as long as we do not talk about the past … what makes this even impossible is that it is an ongoing conflict….people are still dying everyday, and i would say that it is extremely difficult to forget the pain and sorrow of times of wars so easily!!! I do not have a clear vision of what should be done at the moment (unlike BJ who knows nothing about anything)…..but I think it will take at least 2 to 3 generations to build trust and have normal relationships with Israel……..and i am talking about 2 to 3 generations of peace…perhaps like the one after Oslo (1993) till the 3rd Intifada.. (I would blame Sharon’s visit with 3000 soldiers to one of the holliest shrines in Islam, and you would blame the revolutionary response of the Palestinians..so let us not get into that ;) )….

    Peace is a beautiful word….Unfortunately, I honestly do not see how it can be achieved….but you are doing very well in open discussions like this thread…

    Being able to talk to Israelis helped me understand the other side of the story, which is something both sides usually lack…..not that I approve yours, but at least I acknowledge it, and I deal with things accordingly…

    The Arab-Israeli conflict is extremely complicated and sensitive…so my only wish is that people are more careful in choosing their words…..objectivitym integrity and respect are very important…….

    the same way it is my criticism to SandMonkey….it is one thing, that is probably the easiest part, to win a discussion with good communication skills and strong language….yet: “DO NOT WIN A DISCUSSION AND LOSE THE PERSON”.

    This will be my last comment here

  450. Your blog always gave me hope that someday our countries could have not just a cold peace but real cooperation . . . someday . . .

    I’m so sorry to hear that The Security Man is breathing down your neck. Stay safe.

  451. If the French can make a little money on it, they’ll round up support for it in the Security Council.

    the Trigano family created “Club Med” though… don’t think they ment them such as “holy sites” but rather alike “sea, sex, sun”

    and our crusades are not ment anymore to care about religious sites but rather about our working class wellfares…sigh !

    and if you think that our “finul” could go in there too, it will be under the agreement from the “Oncle Sam” of yours, till now I don’t see it possible :P

    GAS, my respects

  452. Castaway & Mona says:

    Good Samaritans of the world; Canadian, American, Australian, Israeli, Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Iranian, Egyptian, Jordanian, Britain, Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Cyprus, Qatar, Brazil, South Africa, Azerbaijan, Mexico, Belgium, Hungary, Indonesia, Thailand, Pakistan, Malaysia, Singapore, Afghanistan & Iraq. I would just like to take the opportunity to inform you of what is transpiring in this section as of late.

    The writer of this blog who is known for his pro Egyptian theocracy & pro-Israeli rhetoric has fled with his tail between his legs & left his readers to battle it out, each has their own opinion.

    You have the warriors who have lives to lead & have grown tired of the pointless unsensational void created in bickering with those who some unknowingly support a tyranny & oppression & you have the immortal with their will of steal, such as Mona, with their blasphemous & utterly impossible to counter tactical prose. One minute she is witty articulate but when she loses patience she is a dazzling sabre wielding maniac with euphemisms & vulgarity that even me I have not seen in an ex convict. I take it that she got that from her colonel U.S. Marine ex-husband, it is no wonder that you guys are not together anymore, he may have been a General by now- lol.

    Gas has called it quits too, with his compromising views.

    Tworset has stayed in the shade for the sake of her own mortality as a blogger.

    The list goes on & on but the fact remains, that this section will cease well before six hundred if all the mambo jumbo desists. If it doesn’t I predict it could hit the low thousands.

    Check out youtube, anything on Israel or ME conflict & IOU will immediately notice when someone makes a derogatory remark about Israel there is a mirage of ridicule at that person which is so very typical of the people here on in this section that say the Muslims & the Arabs aren’t really for peace.

    Yes a lot of good Jews world wide, but what good is that when a God fearing Jew must come to the aid of his brother even if that Jew is a murder, the example totally taken out of context when prophet Moses killed a man. What good are a bunch of good Jews when a radical elements killed Jesus who told us that Jews are the lost tribe & only a small number of them [a fraction] will enter the Pearly Gates.

    Just as 97% of Muslims are law abiding good people yet you have Al-Qaeda.

    Well I will tell you, Muslims seemed have learned to distance them selves & joined the war on terror.

    While Jews seem to join in the Palestinian Holocaust.

    In essence it has been more of a slug fest than anything. A high percentage of the commentators are liberal, secular with a pro-Israeli agenda, just for the simple fact that their respective governments are avid supporters. Hence the defunct critique of a freelancing individual as my self.

    As you sit & read this there are peoples right in the west bank & Gaza being violated in a ruthless manner.

    Praise be to Mona, no matter how crazy you are for standing up to fight for their cause & have made enemies with the supporters of such unequivical savagery in our modern times. It will be your legacy that you stood amidst the crowds of elitists & didn’t fall & took every heart wrenching blow in stride.

    After all this is their land for they control it now as is this site, we are just scum in their eyes & most of the believers in peace who know that it is not possible unless you stop shelling defenseless citizens have sign off as well out of the lack of contentment.

    Yes you are Egyptian, you are Lebanese, you are every Arab nationality regardless of the stereo types of each it it’s own rite.

    I am glad the stage has been set accordingly for battle once again. A battle that the underdog of today must win, by boycotting these Bastards especially on a site propped up by such incredulous elements as this one.

    Viva..Freedom without

  453. “Tworset has stayed in the shade for the sake of her own mortality as a blogger.”

    Twosret has been on this blog for almost three years voicing different opinions and pissing off pretty much 90% of the comment section Zionists and right wing:) I’m actually wondering where have you been in the past three years? I see at least 6 new names coming here at the day of closing this blog to finally speak up and debate about the “Egyptian image” and the “Palestinian babies”. What Mortality are you talking about? Do you think that my blog is of any importance? I have no aspiration in blogging, it’s a hobby not a job. It is a venting place for me every once in a while.

    My support of the Palestinian people is not through my blogging or debating on blogs. I don’t join a conversation that is full of filth and the most vulgar language I have seen on the blogsphere.

    I also know that the crowd you are preaching to here on the comment section is not the right one and you will never go anywhere with them. They are not representative of the average Israeli Jew.

    I joke around with BJ because I know that he is a reasonable guy and have some real hope for peace. I respect him even if I disagree with him.

    You will never change anyone mind on this board. I’m utterly disappointed in the choice of the most disgusting vocabulary on this board of people who claim a good cause like the Palestinian struggle.

    This is the only reason I don’t contribute to this discussion. Mortality eih we neelat eih ya ibni :)

  454. “The writer of this blog who is known for his pro Egyptian theocracy & pro-Israeli rhetoric has fled with his tail between his legs”

    If anyone is fleeing, it is Castaway & Mona, the head writers for the Castaway & Mona show. And please, lets keep what Mona has between her legs out of this, jeesh!

    “Mona, with their blasphemous & utterly impossible to counter tactical prose. One minute she is witty articulate”

    Delusional or ignorant. Mona was at best inarticulate in her rantings, she
    won no one over to her side by spouting a myriad of the plentiful Arab conspiracy theories that exist to explain a cultures inability to pull itself up by the boot straps and in to the modern world.

    “she is a dazzling sabre wielding maniac with euphemisms & vulgarity that even me I have not seen in an ex convict.”

    If when you say sabre, you mean pointless rants that only make sense to someone filled with misrepresentations of fact, wishful memories and a convoluted idea of what being a man and a woman are, then OK.

    “Tworset has stayed in the shade for the sake of her own mortality as a blogger.”

    Twosret has more respect on this blog than all the Mona types in the world. Most of the postings I’ve seen don’t agree with Two’s but at least she can carry on a conversation with out the screaming Mimi hyperbola that in the end buries Mona’s argument six feet deep.

    “Just as 97% of Muslims are law abiding good people yet you have Al-Qaeda. Well I will tell you, Muslims seemed have learned to distance them selves & joined the war on terror.”

    I agree (imagine that!) and hope that the majority will begin the process of rooting out these murderous false believers, The process has begun in an accelerated manner in Iraq.

    ” immediately notice when someone makes a derogatory remark about Israel there is a mirage of ridicule at that person”

    Why do you think that is? Worldwide Jewish conspiracy? Rule 26 in the Protocols of the LEARNED elders of Zion? It’s because right is right and 97% of the world knows it’s right. I’m not saying Israel is perfect or has never been wrong or that the Arab states in question have never been right but the scale of justice leans heavily to the side of Israel, 97% of the world sees it that way because that’s the reality.

    “While Jews seem to join in the Palestinian Holocaust.”

    The Jews Holocaust was not self inflicted to prove a point.

    ” A high percentage of the commentators are liberal, secular with a pro-Israeli agenda”

    You couldn’t be more wrong, I for one, am not a liberal, not a secularist and I make political decisions on a right vs. wrong agenda not Pan Israel agenda
    as you imagine.

    “Praise be to Mona, no matter how crazy you are for standing up to fight for their cause & have made enemies with the supporters of such unequivical savagery in our modern times. It will be your legacy that you stood amidst the crowds of elitists & didn’t fall & took every heart wrenching blow in stride.”

    You’re tying to alter history with hyperbola again. Mona is a little crazy that’s for sure but I do admire her passion (as youthful and misdirected as it is) and her desire to make her kinds life better. She has a long life ahead of her hopefully and patience, wisdom and knowledge will help her when she takes her need to do something to improve her peoples situation to the people responsible, her own people and leaders. Stop being blind and blaming everything on the Jews.

    “As you sit & read this there are peoples right in the west bank & Gaza being violated in a ruthless manner.”

    Israel relinquished control of Gaza to the Palestinians and within a matter of hours they had destroyed the regions infrastructure beyond the levels existing in the 7th century. Destroyed internationally built greenhouses meant to grow food for them. More recently they pilfered and destroyed retaining walls (although probably not intentionally) meant to keep sewage and human waste contained resulting in a Tsunami of sewage and death. You can’t help people like this, the world has tried again and again. These people have to start with themselves. Don’t get the idea that I’m void of compassion, I’m not. I don’t blame individuals, it’s the crowd mentality that makes things so difficult for the Palestinians.

    “I am glad the stage has been set accordingly for battle once again. A battle that the underdog of today must win, by boycotting these Bastards especially on a site propped up by such incredulous elements as this one.”

    There goes your delusional hyperbola again! Wake up, it’s the 21 century, the age of conquer and invasions is over. Get along with your neighbors.

  455. Hey Gas,
    I didn’t say that 77% of Jordanians were Palestinians. I said that 77% of “Palestine” is now the country of Jordan. So it would only make sense that Jordanians are Palestinians. Or does that only apply to Palestinians under Israeli rule, hypocrite? And don’t tell me to shut my face. If you feel free to talk about Israel or Jooz, you not being either, you can expect a reply that may include a discussion of Jordan. Unless of course you were talking to yourself :)

  456. Tedders :) man, you are amazing…I will not go through all the statements u made….but let us talk about the 21st Century and invasions ;)

    Do you realise that the state of Israel, until the invasion of the US to Aphganistan and Iraq, is the only country in the world occupying other people’s territory according to UN Laws?!! and now the US and Israel are the only two countries in the universe occupying other people’s lands?

    So why don’t you guys join the 21st century and get your bloody a**es outside those lands, starting by Goulane heights, to Shebaá farms, to the 1967 occupied territory?

    The battle Castaway was referring to is the one with smart peope like yourself online LOL start from this, and go back to revise your interesting comments :)

  457. !!! Not true! England has occupied Ireland much longer than any other coutry on earth ever has!

  458. Castaway says:

    @ !!!
    Nicely said, the only reason that I came back is to commend you & to apologize to tworset & I respect the fact that if shecouldn’t stand the heaten she decided not to enter the kitchen because she feels she is above entering into a dispute with this pro-zionist crowd. It actually made me ask myself what the hell am I doing?

    As for Tedders; who sounds like a female, as much as I appreciate your passion as well, I try to like you but just can not drive my self to do so.

    Bottom line the only terrorism that exists in this day & age is by the only 2 occupiers in this day in time; America & Israel.

    Even though America stepped in & stopped the Serbs from killing Muslims, but truth be said that doesn’t exonerate them from funding the world’s smallest billigrant state & apartheid.No matter how much good either one does.

    That’s my opinion & everyone is entitled to theirs.

    Case closed.

    Enjoy your stay here folks & no hard feelings, all the best in your future endeavours.

    -Castaway-

  459. The US doesn’t occupy Afghanistan. And since you mentioned the UN and it’s laws then you must recall that the UN mandated removal of the Taliban is ongoing. Don’t insult the sovereign nation of Afghanistan and it’s government who wants peacekeepers there, same goes for Iraq. The Iraqi and Afghan national governments are the political power in both places, not the US or the UN for that matter. As Brooklynnjon said earlier, “we operate on a different set of facts”. Things you’ve been told all your life I find suspicous at best. Do you believe all Jews are the offsping of pigs and monkies? Well needless to say I don’t.

    As far as the evil United States and their allies the wiley Israelis having a copyright on the only disputed lands in the universe (awfully big place the universe)? How about Kashmir, Ireland, Basque, Japan and four neighbors: People Republic of China, Republic of Korea, Taiwan and Russia just to get the ball rolling.

    Did you miss the post about raging an aggressive war against a sovereign nation and losing? What those five Arab nations tried to do to Israel was in the end what happened to them (except the part about killing all the Israeli citizens and erasing a nation, the winners didn’t kill the Arab citizens or erase any nations, no matter what you’ve heard), they were pushed back after they instigated a war and territory was lost. The Golan Heights were used as a tactical high ground for artillery and observation bt Syria and in most likelihood wont be returned because of that topographical reality, start a war and lose and….well you know the rest. Maybe you should be more upset with Arab National leaders who start wars in an ill prepared manner, essentially betting the whole bank on a positive outcome and not having a clue how to follow through. Bravado and bluster have no place on the battle field. No need for me to revise any interesting statements posted, but thanks anyway!!! Have a great day!!!

  460. !!!

    Also, I don’t mean to come off as having all the answers, I don’t. You have your beliefs, I have mine. We have obviously been educated in different histories of the region. In the free worlds defense, propoganda is more difficult to pass as reality but that doesn’t mean there isn’t some that slips by. In thde end what I believe the most is individual responsiblity for the world each and everyone of us occupy. To me as a dad and husband that means getting out of bed 300 + days out of the year and working to give my family a lifestyle they are worthy of. If I couldn’t make a living where I am I would find someplace where I could. I don’t belittle your feelings but in the end God helps those who help themselves. That is without blowing innocents up by what ever means.

  461. Congrats nomad, your candidate Sarkozy has won!! I look forward to a closer Franco US relationship.

  462. Rob_NC says:
  463. Thanks Tedders, uhe, do you think that would work so ? if I listen to my best anti-french friend, Craig, it’s no ! dunno what will happen, nothing much I expect, Sarko, is not master in diplomacy but in economy, well, what we call here, “liberal” ; and in his last discourse he said he wants that the whole country, including Sego’s voters, rally his ideal to make a more competitive country, a more respectful country for its communauties… and he wants a mediterranean alliance alike the EU for our magrebin neighbourgs !

    so I wait and see, may-be when Bush will get off :lol:

  464. Hey Nomad,

    I’m not sure if Craig has sat in a cafe in France and enjoyed foie gras and a bottle of fine french wine. I have and I’m all for better governmental and personal relationships!!! I’ve said this before, we agree on 95% of the issues, we just argue endlessly over the 5% we see differently

    By the way, the wife and are have already booked a Paris to Prague trip for November of this year, see you on the Champs-Élysées!!

  465. hehe, Tedders, why not ? just leave me a message when you ‘ll prepare to go there “mysoupis.blogspot .com” my email is in profile

  466. The issues of people like you Tedders is similar to what your state has succeeded for years now in doing…..you redirect the eyes of the world the opposite direction…

    Once again, I dunno where China, Russia, or Japan and the rest comes into the fact of that only Israel and the US are occupying at this time of history other people’s lands and breaking international laws…..and i wont waste my time in giving you links to sites that lists the ever-going UN resolutions condemning Israelis violations to international laws and human rights….

    It is amazing how you call the presence of the US in Iraq are for peacekeeping….it makes me want to spit in your face when you disrespect the lives of tens of Iraqis being killed everyday in the name of democracy!!! Screw your facts if they tell you that the presence of the US in Iraq, or the war first place is for democracy or peace keeping…..When the US citizens, whom themselves are sick of their current administration’s policies, are condemning Bush and Ramsfield for their lies to the reasons of the war on Iraq (WMD), and they chose democrats to rule the house of parliament….where does the crap you just posted fall into this context?!!

    “start a war and…you know the rest”????!!! what a sick person you are….who the hell do u think urself???!!! It is because of people like you we have extremists in our part of the world who wants to pull your tongue from your throat….Once again…Remember very well that the balance of power between nations change….now u are in position of power, but one day, as all nations do, the US will not be there to save your ass….you will want to know what is the rest???!!! This is what you are creating for your children???! You made me cry when i read your sweet words of your hard work to feed your kids…!!!!

    Why dont u learn from Zvi??!!! At least, although she still remain patriotic to Israel, she still seeks for peace….

    You are a father? who works for his family?! for his kids??? I am sorry for your kids for being sons of a bitch….

    While you work for your families…other people are unable to go to school or work or get their basic needs because of your country’s savage behaviours….while palestinians are succeeding as politicians (Jordan) and business men around the world, those who are still in Palestine are left with nothing but to fight for their basic needs……You planted extremism in their minds and hatred in their hearts….

    You son of a gun……………………..

    I hope you will live enough to learn……it took the asshole Sharon over 70 years….how much will it take you….

  467. Wow !!! all your troubles are because of me the Jews and the US, Right?

    “You planted extremism in their minds and hatred in their hearts…”

    NO, I don’t think these guys needed any help !!!

    GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Muslim extremists in long white robes attacked a children’s festival at a U.N.-run elementary school with guns and homemade bombs Sunday, killing a politician’s bodyguard in plain view of terrified youngsters — just the latest incident of lawlessness engulfing the Gaza Strip.

    Those utter fuck up terrorists in Gaza, the U.S.’s fault again, right!
    Where do those damn Jews fit into the matrix? I’m sure you’ll find a place for them ;)

    …..When the US citizens, whom themselves are sick of their current administration’s policies, are condemning Bush and Ramsfield for their lies to the reasons of the war on Iraq (WMD), and they chose democrats to rule the house of parliament….where does the crap you just posted fall into this context?!!

    You’ve been watching too much CNN and Al Jazeera buddy. Don’t try to second guess the good people of the US, you’ll fail because you have no idea what your talking about. I can’t forecast the future, but the US presidential election is in 2008. That will tell you more of how the US electorate feels than the House elections (by the way, a landslide it was not) the democrats are already self destructing. Don’t worry about my kids, they have more love, support and physical necessities than you will ever have.

    “While you work for your families…other people are unable to go to school or work or get their basic needs because of your country’s savage behaviours…!”

    If you’ll clear your head for a moment you remember that the entire world believed Saddam had WMD. Not just the US administration. How many of your precious UN resolutions did Saddam break, worst bluff in the history of the world I’d say. Now that’s the U.S.’s fault too? If the US is so unfathomably omnipotent as your deluded mind lets you believe, why isn’t everything just peachy keen from the US perspective?

    “I hope you will live enough to learn……it took the asshole Sharon over 70 years….how much will it take you….”

    Sharon was a warrior, he was about to apply the hammer to you numbskulls when he met his untimely demise. Now the Israeli’s are stuck with Olmert. Don’t worry too much. In a democracy incompetence doesn’t last long. Olmert will be gone before long and hopefully the Israeli’s will elect a strong man and deal with the trouble makers.

    “Once again, I dunno where China, Russia, or Japan and the rest comes into the fact of that only Israel and the US are occupying at this time of history other people’s lands”

    That’s because of the self imposed blinders you wear, all is everyone elses fault, you have done no wrong?

    Some manuscripts sins. But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your sins.

    Good luck with that ulcer you’re making !!!

  468. @GAS:

    Where any offense was rendered, you have my full pardon! Please accept my apologies for any offense, as well.

    I respect your opinions. I agree with many of your comments; and where we disagree, I understand that your points of view are valid, your suggestions are constructive, and that I don’t know everything.

    I do hope that it won’t take 3 generations to reach true peace between Israel and its neighbors. I admit that recently, I too have been frustrated and concerned. But I want to think that we can all do better than that.

    I hope that you, personally, continue to reach out. Bridges are built one person at a time, and bridges are the only hope for the people of the region.

    To SM, to GAS, to BJ, and to everyone else here: I have enjoyed hearing your thoughts.

    Peace cannot be just a word; It must become a way of life.
    Shalom and Salaam. Fare well.

  469. hey nomad I tried to email you but no luck?
    maybe we can try agin tomorow.

  470. brooklynjon says:

    Wow. A whole lot of heat. Not as much light. Oh well.

    Two, thanks for the kind words. Glad to see you back, and also glad that you are upset by the tone of some of the comments, as am I. We can disagree, and even disagree vehemently, but we still just have a little blue marble in space that we have to share. And don’t for a minute think that posting here is useless. At the very least you can convince the “other side” that there is someone who could actually be negotiated with.

    Zvi, thanks for sharing.

    Nomad, Bobo? Anyway, sorry about your candidate. But as you know, I’m not really THAT sorry. Don’t worry, we survived Jimmy Carter, you can survive Sarko.

  471. Tedders, : Corneauster@gmail.com, if you got gmail, apparently that works for yahoo, AOL too ; so, it should work for you !

    and if it happens that anyone has the bad idea to send me a message of threat, that I should not get, I put the secret services on it :P

    BJ, I suspect you to be a nice Bobo in spite of your innombrable arrows-needles, pity, I don’t like to fly towards west, so I shall not have the chance to realise it.

    Sarko is the Messie you ought to had obtainened, if you were not dedicted to the falsh fox :D

  472. brooklynjon Says:

    “Don’t worry, we survived Jimmy Carter, you can survive Sarko.”

    Ha!! Yea but we’re stil paying for the mess he made!!

    I thought Sarko was a more conservative, law and order type? Obviously the French electorate feel a balancing of the books are in order! Seems to me he’s more Reaganesque, the antithesis of Carter.

    Thanks Nomad, I’ll try later on today.

  473. no Tedder, he can’t be “reaganesque”, he is tied to EU, and EU legislation prevails on our french one ; if he want to be the president of the whole french population, then he’ll have to compose with all the aspirations ; my gues, he will not do more than the half he promised

  474. for those who understand french, and for those who can just discern the charism of Sarko (vs the charism of Bush :lol: )

    http://www.dailymotion.com/SARKOZlSTE/video/x1wwo4_discours-de-la-concorde-nsarkozy-06

  475. Melissa in NorCal says:

    Very sad, but I understand. I will miss you more than you can possibly know.

  476. Castaway, It is ok no need for apology. I’ve developed a very thick skin :)

    BJ, You are more than welcome, I always enjoyed our chats and it is sad that we lose the community Sandmonkey established. Maybe we will cross path on another blog.

    I hope like you do for peace and Justice and for the world to chose peace over violence.

  477. Tedders,

    Maybe you can start a Sandmonkey community blog so we can fight together longer ehehhee.

  478. Two’s,

    There you go again saying something I totally agree with! Hell must bee cooling up considerably ;)

    I’ll miss you and all of the other SM posters, not to mention SM’s disgruntled charm and wit. I hope I’ll still see you at myrtus website, maybe along with some of the other posters here ! ! ! :)

    never say never !

  479. my “Mars in Lion” can express all its strengh there :

    http://pajamasmedia.com/

  480. Israel is one of the smallest countries in the Middle East, but has several nature zones: The north is quite green, the middle of the country is partly arid, while the south is desert. The desert covers in total 60% of Israeli territory.
    Israel relies very much upon winter rain in the mountains in the north and in Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon, as there is little rain elsewhere in the country.
    Israel is far greener than rain makes it, due to clever use of the resources of the country. Israel has by far the strongest economy in the entire Middle East, as it relies upon a larger scale of incomes than the rich oil producing countries.
    In recent years, Israel has grown into one of the leading nations in technology and software production.
    Israel is also the best working democracy in the Middle East, even if the constitution’s apartheid system for controlling Arabs living Israel is still unchanged and in full practice.
    Israel continues to occupy three areas that were won in the Six-Day War in 1967: Gaza Strip, West Bank and Golan Heights. In all these areas, extremist Jews have established settlements under a claim that the land has been give to them by God, and does not belong to the indigenous population.

    © Copyright 1996-2007 SAS.OBSERVER. All rights reserved
    By: Todd Kofmann

  481. Fare & Square says:

    Did you read this folks???

    “Israel is also the best working democracy in the Middle East, even if the — constitution’s apartheid system— for controlling Arabs- living in Israel is still unchanged and in full practice.”

    Israel continues to occupy three areas that were won in the Six-Day War in 1967: Gaza Strip, West Bank and Golan Heights. —In all these areas,— extremist Jews— have established settlements under a claim— that the land has been give to them by God,—- and does not belong to the indigenous population.—

    Lord have mercy…….

    My first guess is that there is no hope for peace & my next is, so what the heck are we doing in Iraq trying to fight terrorism & advocating free speech all over the middle east when at the same time we are supporting terrorist mentalities on both sides; those who think their violence is advocated by God? The only ones paying the price for it are young American troops. Not to mention the innocent victims on ball sides.

    Why do we support Arabs & Israel’s at the same time, I thought it was only the arabs that had the bad apples, now after hanging out on this blog the last week or so my opinion is starting to sway into utter disgust. So many citizens in America don’t even have medical insurance & did you know that America gives Egypt 2 billion a year in aid as well as 2 billion to Israel besides military support, plus being in Iraq isn’t for free.

    I guess if we give Israel aid the Arabs cry that we are biased & if we give the arabs then Israel does the same.

    I give up…If anyone supports foreign policy then they are a fundemental- a fundemental nuthead!

  482. sandbar says:

    Did you hear that they uncovered the tomb of the kind of Judea at an archelogical site just outside of Jerusalam? The king mentioned in the bible as , the killer of the innocent, “Yes” in the bible? The odd thing is that Israel hopes his remains will bring tourists by the thousands. Why would Israel a Jewish state want to captalize on a king that killed the innocent new borns of Jews just as the evil pharoah did to the Jewish newborns living in Egypt?

    Okay sorry, but it is time that some readers grow up not label me an antisemitist when raising a valid question as this one.

    Sandmonkey it is apparent to me that so many of your readers who never had anything to say started to pile on the remarks such as my self.

  483. if any one has the bad idea to send me this kind of offer, it will go straight in the dustbin :

    “Mrs JAMILA MUSA
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    He have a deposite of(usd $8,000.000.00)(eight Million dollars) as personal valuables in a private Financilly house for safe-keeping.
    I needed a foreign partner who can assist me get this money out of the Financilly House to invest the money into a good business of his choice.For a good
    assistance in investing the money, I will offer you 30% of the total fund,and 5% of the total will be set aside to cover any expenses incurred during this transaction, 65% will be for me and my two children to invest.in your country under your supervision.May God bless you for your kindness rendered to me.
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  484. sandbar says:

    Dear Readers,

    In the Torah and in the new Testament and even in the book they call the Quran it is stated that although freed from Pharaoh; the Children of Israel have committed great sin and as a punishment- sent to the Holy land to seek redemption and hence receive retribution for their sins. All the enmity in the world against what ever race is occupying the holy land wont change a thing. If it was so important then why didn’t we hold on to it in the first place? Christians know it even the Muslims know it, The Children of Israel will always suffer. I lived in Israel where there is so much love but there is far more hate and corruption, prostitution etc. than there are the true teachings of the oldest religion in the world where now they are practicing homosexual relations & what not. Don’t be fooled by the hype, some Jews are good people- God fearing but very little compare to Christianity & Islam. This from a people that were revealed thou shall not kill.

    I cherish my Jewish mother & Christian father and that is why I declare the following.

    I here by bare witness that there is no God but Allah, the only God worthy of worship- the God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus & Mohamed & I here by bare witness that Mohamed is the last true messenger of God.

    May God fill all of your hearts with Love & respect & value of life for your fellow man & bless everyone.

    Those who seek him they will find him

    Amen

    Omar Mishan

  485. soul manager says:

    Dear commentators-
    I usually don’t leave comments due to the extreme amount of enmity found on these boards. Although I continue to find sustainable remarks but I just want readers to know that although Jews have suffered greatly for whatever reasons [basically because they conform to corrupt clerics & Rabbi's] who miscalculated the effects of unorthodox decisions, they continue to suffer, and it is not a pretty sight. Then you have all these countries far & near threatening to push the nascent Israel into the [Sea]. Just as the Palestinians are at fault for selling most of their land for 10x its true value to the emigrating Jews, still believing in a myth for a homeland, this was centuries ago and true Jewish Principles forbid one from coveting thou neighbors land or property. So it’s a “lose-lose” situation for the Zionists but not necessarily for the Jews. The myth of the homeland [Zionists]- what can you say, that myth was over after the coming of the savior the great Messiah Jesus and long before the great Prophet Mohamed. There can be no distinction anymore between the Jews & Zionists, just squabbles about it on places like this one here.
    I swear I love all mankind, Jews, Christians Muslims alike, if you only knew what lays ahead you would all pray before the reckoning. Do not hate me fellow Christians, Jews, no matter how much that truth hurts. I have no opinion-I only follow the truth & that truth is Islam.

  486. Woe to those who kill in the name of greed, ignorance, lust and Vanity and preach the word of God. Woe to the lost tribe of Israel! -AMEN-

  487. cody banks says:

    Israel is the place that Moses took the persecuted people of Egypt to as retribution for their sins. In the middle of the century they decided to return. They are forgetting something in their doctrine. “Thou shall not covet thy neighbor” Land or other. Abrahams descendants are called Arabs, ask yourself this- Are Jews the descendents of Abraham? The answer is yes until the name is associated with Arabs then Jews say No we are not the descendents of Abraham.

  488. nancy_druze says:

    Apartheid doesn’t even near hit the nail on the head. Yes too bad for the God Fearing Jews & Good for the Zionists because what they are doing is so ridiculous & all of us have automatically been put in the right due to their atrocities, they do not believe in God, if they did they wouldn’t butcher all those innocent people. If they feel they have a license to kill then why the hell didn’t they do it long ago with the Romans or Hitler. The question is not “why did the Palestinians who were being slaughtered leave if it was rightfully their home, but the question is why did the Jews leave their Sacred land in the first place if it was all theirs & nobody else’s & was given to them by God??

  489. brooklynjon says:

    Cody,

    As far as the Torah is concerned, Jews are descendants of Abraham via Isaac and Jacob. The Torah does not mention Arabs, and so we have no opinion as to the lineage of Arabs. If you believe that you are a descendant of Ishmael, then that’s fine. The fact of the matter is that there are plenty of Arabs who are Jewish, and there probably once were a lot more. “Jew” and “Arab” are not mutually exclusive.

  490. He have a deposite of(usd $8,000.000.00)(eight Million dollars) as personal valuables in a private Financilly house for safe-keeping.

    Heheheehee, Yeah Nomad, I get those emails to. I must be the luckiest bloke in the world I’ve won the British lotto some 24 times!!! I hit them with my spam filter. Sometimes just for fun I’ll mess with ‘em for a little while just to get them worked up. In the end all the need are a few thousand so you can get your millions! (eyes rolling)Nigerian 419 scams.

  491. Tedders,

    I will visit the site and check it out. Tonight my book reading club decided to go for the faith club book. Discussing religion over ceviche with some people from ecuador was interesting.

    Maybe we should do a reading club blog :)

  492. Tedders, those people think we are some kind of “pigeons”, hehe, they try anyway to rob us any possible times they can, sometimes a naïve falls in their nets…. they better get working to improve their country wellfare level, or make a revolution to get rid of their corrupted leaders…

    OK, got your mail, have a nice day

  493. shame-shame-shame says:

    Israeli Ambassador Found Drunk, Naked in El Salvador
    Fuente en español: http://www.cadenaglobal.com/Default.asp?pgm=Detail&Not=131897&Sec=%206

    Source: http://www.wetmtv.com

    Israel’s ambassador to El Salvador has been recalled to his country after he was found drunk and naked with sex toys in the yard of his home.

    Reuters reports a foreign ministry spokeswoman confirmed Tsuriel Raphael was recalled, but did not have further details.

    Israeli media reports claim police found Raphael in the yard of the San Salvador home, drunk, naked, and bound and gagged witha rubber ball in his mouth and sex toys lying near him.

    The incident allegedly took place two weeks ago.

    Israel is now looking for a new ambassador to El Salvador.

  494. special_forces says:

    Looks like our friend the sandmonkey in his disgruntledness has sold out Egypt as he has an offer from a subsidary of the Mossad, incognito such as memryt, which he will know doubt take.

    Do you guys really think the Egyptian Intelligence doesn’t know about this?

    What would really protect the sandmonkey is if he has an American passport even though thousands of disgruntled Egyptians have attained American citizenship yet have not sold out.

    It is though, usually the uneducated ones that are charged with espionage are the careless.

    I feel once he has attained citizenship which I am sure he is ready to die for, he will just say fuck Egypt cuz after all he idolizes America & not being used to not getting what he wants as the rich kid that he is accustomed to I am sure it absolutely mortifies him that he is labeled Arab sandmonkey 3rd world panzy, hence his ridicule of the moment.

    Condolizza please give Sandmonkey citizenship before he implodes & so that he may continue an entertaining blog. Protect him, you can see that he is backed by the 53rd state so don’t lose him to them, take him to yourselves, consider him a tool to fight terror or whatever even though he incites a lot of hatred. Do the right thing.

  495. What is “memryt” ? I googled it & got this :”Memryt, a novel treatment for patients suffering from Alzheimer’s disease” !!!! How does that fit with the discussion, or the comment?

  496. What is memryt? When I googled it , I got this “Memryt, a novel treatment for patients suffering from Alzheimer’s disease”. Excuse me, but how does it fit in?

  497. special_forces,

    You forgot to take your meds today, Nurse Ratchett would like to see you in the special treatment room for your, uhhh, procedure.

  498. special_forces says:

    Just remember this post because I heard it from a high official in the gov media. It was my opinion that he would no doubt take such an offer but then again I’m just betting on a surefire horse, but then again even they lose.

    No need to get nasty really guys…

    By the way I went to go & see what nurse Ratchett for my meds & she said that I already had my Electric Shock procedure for the day this morning.

    When I told her that my pro Zionist buddy from the Internet informed me that she wanted me, she took away my jello pudding privileges for a week for being gullible. I hate you Tedders.

    IS THE CRAP ABOUT THE Israeli AMBASSADOR TRUE OR JUST SOME HAMMAS PROPAGANDA B.S?

    Cheers…

  499. special_forces says:

    Just another thought.

    A little bit of pugnacious sarcasm for you. A novelty at best is the fact that even if memryt was a ‘novelty treatment for Alzheimer’s,’ you could bet your sweet behind that a Jew somewhere somehow has dibs on it just for the mere fact that it is what it is.

    I mean Jews have found their way so far up every single aspect of society & existence as a whole that I did some researching & found out that my own grandmother was Jewish. I mean sheeeesh.

    Gotcha didn’t I, come on where’s the renowned Jewish humor.

    This is ridiculous you are not going to make me out be wanker like you did with some of the folks that retorted here & expressed their views no matter how impolite they were.

    Look I was directed here by someone who said that their is a Zionist movement in Egypt & to check it out. I read the entries & then I told them they couldn’t be further from the truth & added that the commentators here like yourself are exactly the same as they are, just offering a little support to someone who dared to go against the norm.
    Neturei Karta are considered the antichrist amongst Jews in Israel yet the people who directed me here leave praise on the Neturei Karta boards praising them for their voice as a beacon of truth amongst zillions of angry threatening Israeli’s. If it sounds like your bowl of soup? Let me know & I will leave you the links.
    I admit to the fact that as an Egyptian expat it is very demeaning & demoralizing to here someone attest Egypt so much but the fact that he is Egyptian just makes it frustrating.
    So although I stood up for you guys it’s only typical that you may misconstrue my hyperbole as being extremely erroneous & inappropriate for making the Sandmonkey turn out to be a sell out.
    Our reactions as Egyptians are similar to that of Israel’s hearing words of praise from the supporters of the Netrui Karta. From the information I heard as to the alleged offer from this so called legal organisation it really tipped the scale for me. My Jewish friends have ties in Israel but we never talk politics & we just put that behind us, it is like talking about religion in an Irish pub in Belfast.
    I just think it is a little to early in the space of time & in the peace process after three generations of war to have citizens of both countries Egypt & Israel to have it’s citizens jump boat without some ridicule from the nationals of both sides regardless of the peace treaties.
    It is my opinion that normal relations will thrive & continue to normalize if you & other people can understand this point & just give it a chance.

    Do your part & be the one of the special forces of peace.

  500. Brooklynjon says:

    Special Forces,

    “This is ridiculous you are not going to make me out be wanker like you did with some of the folks that retorted here & expressed their views no matter how impolite they were.”

    If anyone makes you out to be a wanker, it seems likely that it will be you, yourself, to do so.

    And why is it necessarily anti-Egyptian to believe that some other group should be allowed to have a sovereign state of their own? Which is what Zionism is, after all.

  501. special_forces Says:

    I hate you Tedders.

    Boy. I’m proud of many things I’ve accomplished so far in life, but this is right on up there. ;)

  502. FUCKIN FINALLY!

    ok ever since last time i was commenting here, i swor to myself i’ll never give a flying fuck about what’s going on this fucked up website, at first i thought sandmonkey was nothing but an ignorant lad who didn’t know anybetter, until one of my friends (who is a christian by the way, as you racist fucks don’t seem to take anything that a muslim says as a valid claim) told me about the dirty game SM, his friends & his uneducated fans are playing! with no further explanation, THIS’S THE BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED ON THE EGYPTIAN & ME BLOGSPHERE EVER!

    go ahead and take your shots..

  503. Brooklynjon, do you have any idea how fuckin insulting it is to claim that some big dude in the sky told you you have the right to displace a whole existing country and start claiming it’s your own, well earned, state, and start prosecuting it’s people and harassing it’s neighbors! THAT’S HOW IT FUCKIN SOUNDS TO EVERY SANE PERSON ON EARTH, none of this blog readers are included of course… yes i’m prejudging all of you, you fuckin morons

    ..and no, i don’t kiss my mother with this mouth, that’s just sick!

  504. I read to c. comment 485 and I have to take back my early comment. I would not mind if everyone in the M.E. died. Nobody can read 50 comments from the region and not want to kill everyone.

    I will be LMAO when people start getting pwned. Oh Rly, I will.

    Sometimes you just have to destroy everything:)

  505. mikek, you arrogant piece of shit, now i can’t really blame terrorists enough, you fuckin expect us to apologise for what a bunch of morons, that YOU have trained yourself, had done to YOU?! the middle east might had a spite towards the US GOVERNMENT that blindly supported Israel, which has been a terrorist state ever since it’s formation, for about half a century now, but there was no plan in what way so ever to attack the American PEOPLE, who are admittedly, and willingly, ignorant of anything that happens in the whole fuckin world. what your Fox news and CNN didn’t tell you is that there were video captures of people crying in IRAN over what happened to the people of 9/11, so while you were seeing your fake pictures of Palestinians cheering, there were actually people crying for you, THIS IS HOW FUCKED UP YOUR MEDIA IS!

    to this day i still haven’t seen a single picture that shows an american who actually gives a fuck about the half a million of people who died in Iraq! wonder why?

  506. Special Forces,

    So I take it that “a subsidary of the Mossad, incognito such as memryt” is a typo & that you’re refering to me? Like I said before, take a deep breath, calm down so that you can think coherently & others could maybe understand you. So, meryt is an incognito subsidary …bla bla..Why? Because you are incapable of bearing the thought that there are Egyptians who have opinions which differ from yours? Because I do not like that dishonest people claim to be whom they are not, pretend to speak for us while using repulsive language & insulting my country ? Because it is much easier to adopt a simplistic attitude that shuns any intellectual exercise? Or is it because it is cheaper & easier to kick & scream, throw yourself on the floor, & maybe hold your breath until you’re blue : Call anyone who does not tow your line Mossad!! Have I mentioned any facts which are untrue? Did you do any research & found that I referred to incidents which did not occur? Or could it be because I refuse to subscribe to silly adolescent conspiracy theories which trivialize real problems, & insult my intelligence, as well as yours.
    Try to think critically for a while, so Isreal wants to occupy all lands from the Nile to the Euphrates, how could they do that if the population of Cairo alone exceeds that of Isreal? What kind of logistics would they need to achieve something like that while maintaining peace & control over the populations of the occupied countries? If you seriousely think that they are “intellectually challenged” enough to believe this is a doable thing, then with such opponents, how come the ME is still in crisis ?
    Second conspiracy: “HIV positive hookers/agents sent to Arab countries to infect their youth”. That would be a goal that would require a very large number of infected agents; where could they possibly find them among a limited population such as that of Isreal without first decimating their own population? How could they prevent the infection from coming back to haunt them? Best of all, can you imagine the recruitment ads for these ‘agents’ ? I wonder what would they try to offer as job benefits: “Come work for us, we’ll infect you with an incurable disease that will paralize your immune system & kill you with a myriad of diseases within a few years, but we offer dental !” Come on, get serious! You are creating a boogey-man which is preventing you from seeing reality & dealing with it. When you insist that anyone who doesnt agree with you must be a traitor, are you saying that we as a people have to be either traitors or …uhm, “intellectually challenged”? I still insist this is pathetic,sorry, but count me out & please GROW UP!

    “A little bit of pugnacious sarcasm for you. A novelty at best is the fact that even if memryt was a ‘novelty treatment for Alzheimer’s,’ you could bet your sweet behind that a Jew somewhere somehow has dibs on it just for the mere fact that it is what it is.”
    I do not know if it is ‘pugnacious’,that’s subjective, but if you had bothered to look it up, you would have known if it is a treatment or not. As for the rest of your statement, do you KNOW or is that another assumption, & in any case your point is….? Are you assuming that someone involved with finding a treatment for a debilitating disease is jewish, so this is proof of ‘zionist conspiracy’ & therefore we should hate them?!!!

    “I mean Jews have found their way so far up every single aspect of society & existence as a whole that I did some researching & found out that my own grandmother was Jewish. I mean sheeeesh.”
    No, that did not explain anything, just more paranoia!!! Are you saying the “conspiracy” is so widespread that you found out your grandmother is jewish!!!!! Sooo …what?

    “Gotcha didn’t I, come on where’s the renowned Jewish humor.” I am not jewish so I do not know about jewish humor, but I can tell your palestinian humor is very good, you made me almost fall off my chair laughing!!!

    “Look I was directed here by someone who said that their is a Zionist movement in Egypt & to check it out.”
    “I admit to the fact that as an Egyptian expat it is very demeaning & demoralizing to here someone attest Egypt so much but the fact that he is Egyptian just makes it frustrating.”
    I will tell you what is frustrating, It’s that I seem to have to repeat the same thing over & over ad nauseam. How dare you mention conspiracy ? Can you tell me how many Egyptians died, were injured or maimed in the wars since 1948? How many Egyptian children were orphaned? What was the total cost of these wars? What was the cost of the re building of all the destroyed cities along the Suez canal? How many schools, hospitals, universities & other infra-structure could have been built with the money drained from our children ,who are now suffering from mal nutrition? What did any of the other ‘neighbors’ do, other than trying to manipulate Egypt while supplying sarcasm, arm chair bravado with an awful lot of hot air bla bla -& occasional bombs inside Egypt? (Just read as an example the comments left by Lybian whatever). Peace is the future, & whether you like it or not, the treaty was condoned by the people.. It is not something that can be put on the back burner while you’re stoking fires of hatered with unsubstantiated rumors.

    I assume you mean ‘detest’ (to hate) not ‘attest’ (to affirm), so let me tell you my take of it. Detesting Egypt would be to condone the hemorrhage of its future;to put its children under a siege of poverty; to accept an illogical & pathetic world view, full of boogeymen & conspiracies; to refuse to be mature enough to accept the concept of debate in which people may disagree without exchanging meaningless accusations of treason. Finally, it is giving in to cheaper simpler way of life in which you hate people who are different from you, whether jews, christians or whatever.

    Just to put you out of your misery, I do not know SM, so I am not part of bla bla conspiracy….but I do defend his right to voice his opinion freely, I do not need to know him for that. You accused him of many things, can you prove any or were you just acting as a conduit for “a high official in the gov media”? Furthurmore, your reference to “Neturei Karta” while amusing, is off point. Once again I have to ask you the point is….what? Again, you make too many hasty assumptions for which you seem to have a penchant , that only blinds you & skews your argument.

    If you & ‘munkii’ will accept advice from one of the ‘uneducated’ ‘conspirators’, a good dictionary & thesaurus & maybe even ‘the elements of style” , will help widen your vocabulary & enable you express yourselves without any referance to nether parts.

    Sweeping hot air generalizations are meaningless, so unless you come with precise concrete PROVEN facts, spare me , the old bla bla is becoming excessively boring & you’re making me very pessimistic about the future !

  507. special_forces says:

    Holly Honuka dude…—-Meryt—–Get off yourself dude. What is all this crap of memeryt being a typo & your categorizing me with munki & mona etc & references to needing a theosaurus. You stated

    “You Sweeping hot air generalizations are meaningless, so unless you come with precise concrete PROVEN facts, spare me , the old bla bla is becoming excessively boring & you’re making me very pessimistic about the future !”

    That is exactly what you did fella.

    1. Israeli who do not like the netrui karta are allowed to ridicule a peaceful opinion from the mouths of other Jews, Israeli’s etc.
    2. Same goes for Arabs who are not so hot on french kissing Israel’s

    I never said wipe em off the map. You generalize my comments with those that don’t agree with you. Please don’t insult your own existence by saying you are not Jewish & furthering this debacle.

    As far as my words go habibi I got 800 full score on my SAT English so I don’t know what space station you are on.

    My true question memryt is what year did you drop out of school? Wait don’t answer that. If you can’t stand the heat then stay out of Hell’s kitchen.

  508. I am Zionist says:

    How come nobody has the balls to comment on this piece?

    Israeli Ambassador Found Drunk, Naked in El Salvador
    Fuente en español: http://www.cadenaglobal.com/Default.asp?pgm=Detail&Not=131897&Sec=%206

    Source: http://www.wetmtv.com

    Israel’s ambassador to El Salvador has been recalled to his country after he was found drunk and naked with sex toys in the yard of his home.

    Reuters reports a foreign ministry spokeswoman confirmed Tsuriel Raphael was recalled, but did not have further details.

    Israeli media reports claim police found Raphael in the yard of the San Salvador home, drunk, naked, and bound and gagged witha rubber ball in his mouth and sex toys lying near him.

    The incident allegedly took place two weeks ago.

    Israel is now looking for a new ambassador to El Salvador.

  509. I am NOT Zionist says:

    HOW MANY JEWS DOES IT TAKE TO SCREW IN A LIGHT BULB?

    IT DEPENDS IF THEY ARE REGULAR JEWS OR ZIONISTS.

    MUNKII, THEY ARE FULL OF SHIT DON’T EVEN BOTHER WITH THEM. Give yourself a break.

    Wanna be this & that’s on here that’s it. Tricks, Johns etc.

  510. Special Forces,

    Thank you for going out of your way to prove my point. You really cant think outside your presupposed assumptions, or without resorting to all those “cool” colloquialisms. “Hell’s Kitchen” really sounds impressive but what exactly does it mean. This is just an example of replies which are heavy & long on the sound bites & hasty assumptions, but short on everything else, particularly logic & common sense. You have nothing to say about any of the points I raised?

    If memeryt is not a typo, then do I take it that you habitually confuse names of people & medicaments?
    Don’t you even know that “Meryt” is a feminine Egyptian name? Haven’t you ever taken a glimpse of any book about your country’s history? that is, assuming you are really Egyptian this time!
    So unfortunately, the “dude” & “fella”, do not apply, but why do you assume that you’re addressing a man, in the first place? Are you maybe one of those who believe women “should be seen but not heard”? Some kind of cultural conditioning?

    “Please don’t insult your own existence by saying you are not Jewish & furthering this debacle.”
    What a highfalutin but totally meaningless sentence!
    Another of your dearly held assumptions is that I’m jewish, even though I told you clearly in my previous reply that I’m not. Either you’re suffering from very short term memory, or you do not fully comprehend what you read, or saddest of all, you refuse to accept that there are Egyptians whose opinions differ from yours, a total mental blockage!! According to you, anyone who disagrees with you must be foreign, or an “enemy spy” working with some hidden evil agenda to bla bla bla !!! Does the word paranoia ring any bells here?

    As for why “categorizing me with munki & mona etc”, maybe because you have the same way of thinking, same disposition for highly strung emotional generalizations & refusal to acknowledge facts. You write in the same style, using the same expressions, you even make some of the same spelling mistakes!!

    Which year I ‘dropped out of school’? Before I answer this question, I have first a question to ask: do you find comfort in making these absurd statements? So far you have not addressed any of the points I raised, nor did you even come up with an argument on your own, only loud decibels encased in a lot over masticated clichés…hot air, yet you can expose all of us poor souls who dropped out of school !!! How perceptive! I started university at the age of 16 & presently hold 2 post graduate dgrees, which makes it even sadder that i bother to read your replies.

    By the way, the correct spelling is thesaurus not “theosaurus”.
    “Debacle”? Don’t you mean debate? Debacle means a FIASCO which is exactly what your replies have so far been, & no I could not furthur it ,even if I wanted to, you’re doing such a magnificent job yourself. You know, I am sincerely hoping & praying that you’re not Egyptian, how depressive would it be if you are!

    Lastly, reading your posts reminded me of this quotation :” Ignorance is ignorance. It is a state of mind, not an opinion”- MID

  511. If this is a double posting, I apologize, it’s not very clear whether my reply appeared or not!

    Special Forces,

    Thank you for going out of your way to prove my point. You really cant think outside your presupposed assumptions, or without resorting to all those “cool” colloquialisms. “Hell’s Kitchen” really sounds impressive but what exactly does it mean. This is just an example of replies which are heavy & long on the sound bites & hasty assumptions, but short on everything else, particularly logic & common sense. You have nothing to say about any of the points I raised?

    If memeryt is not a typo, then do I take it that you habitually confuse names of people & medicaments?
    Don’t you even know that “Meryt” is a feminine Egyptian name? Haven’t you ever taken a glimpse of any book about your country’s history? that is, assuming you are really Egyptian this time!
    So unfortunately, the “dude” & “fella”, do not apply, but why do you assume that you’re addressing a man, in the first place? Are you maybe one of those who believe women “should be seen but not heard”? Some kind of cultural conditioning?

    “Please don’t insult your own existence by saying you are not Jewish & furthering this debacle.”
    What a highfalutin but totally meaningless sentence!
    Another of your dearly held assumptions is that I’m jewish, even though I told you clearly in my previous reply that I’m not. Either you’re suffering from very short term memory, or you do not fully comprehend what you read, or saddest of all, you refuse to accept that there are Egyptians whose opinions differ from yours, a total mental blockage!! According to you, anyone who disagrees with you must be foreign, or an “enemy spy” working with some hidden evil agenda to bla bla bla !!! Does the word paranoia ring any bells here?

    As for why “categorizing me with munki & mona etc”, maybe because you have the same way of thinking, same disposition for highly strung emotional generalizations & refusal to acknowledge facts. You write in the same style, using the same expressions, you even make some of the same spelling mistakes!!

    Which year I ‘dropped out of school’? Before I answer this question, I have first a question to ask: do you find comfort in making these absurd statements? So far you have not addressed any of the points I raised, nor did you even come up with an argument on your own, only loud decibels encased in a lot over masticated clichés…hot air, yet you can expose all of us poor souls who dropped out of school !!! How perceptive! I presently hold 2 post graduate degrees which makes it even sadder that i bother to read your replies( Won’t do it again).Am I good enough for your exalted kitchen?

    By the way, the correct spelling is thesaurus not “theosaurus”.
    “Debacle”? Don’t you mean debate? Debacle means a FIASCO ,which is exactly what your replies have so far been, & no I could not ‘furthur it’ ,even if I wanted to, you’re doing such a magnificent job yourself. You know, I am sincerely hoping & praying that you’re not Egyptian, how depressive would it be if you are!

    Lastly, reading your posts reminded me of this quotation :” Ignorance is ignorance. It is a state of mind, not an opinion”- MID

  512. munkii, every point you made was wrong. I am impressed.

    Al-queda was not trained or created by the U.S. goverment. The U.S. sent weapons to the guerilla fighters in Afghanistan to aid them in their fight against the Soviets. Some arabs, who were considered incompetent fighters btw, also recieved arms.

    Israel is not “terrorist state” any more than any other nation.

    You should be thankful that Americans don’t pay close attention to the M.E., the people who live there or the way they behave. The more people watch and learn about it the more they will hate it. Don’t even start with the fucked up media nonsense. Do you realize we watch all the insane shit you people put on the air?

    People did see the pictures of Iranians and the pali’s were cheering. (which shouldn’t suprise anyone. It is one big death cult after all.)

    Your last point was interesting for a few reasons. First, half a million people did not die in Iraq. Second, idiots who believe that b.s. poll (taken by bath party members) get their picture taken all the time. Third, most Americans are not arab/muslims so they don’t assume it is their fault when one inbred fanatic kills another. I know it is hard for you to understand, but when one arab murders another arab it is not the jews fault.

    Americans do share some responsiblity because they decided to remove Saddam. Someone should have mentioned that it was full of Arab muslims who are not capable of living in a free society so the whole re-building part could have been skipped.

    I honestly don’t know why you would want Americans to pay more attention to that region.

    arabs: “We have adopted all the worst ideas and practices humanity has offered. We have not accomplished anything noteable in a few centuries. We suck at everything and not only do we want to spread our failure world wide we want to do it with force. We are crappy third world contries, we fail at everything and we want to fight a war with you.”

    Americans: “hmmmm.”

  513. brooklynjon says:

    Munkii,

    So who told the Normans that they could displace the Angles and Saxons, and who told the Angles and Saxons that they could displace the Bretons? Who told the Francs that they could displace whoever was there before? Who told the Arabs that they could displace the Spaniards? Or the Assyrians? Or the Babylonians? Or the Egyptians? Or the Persians?
    Did the Romans ask permission of the Etruscans? Did the Slavs ask permission of the native Greeks? Who told the current Japanese that they could set their county up where the Ainu lived?

    None of these nations have any legitimacy at all. Bizarrely, Israel does, as it was created by the United Nations. And it was created on the ashes of… actually there was not soverign entity there before. It was a part of the Ottoman Empire, sparsely inhabited by – hold onto your hats – Arabs and Jews. Which is why when the “Palestine Mandate” was divided, it was divided into roughly 90% Arab land, and roughly 10% Jewish land, but even that is too much for the Jew haters. So every nation gets to have a nation-state built on the ashes of whatever came before it, except the Arabs who get around 20, and the Jews who get none, right? Makes sense to me. Not.

    But I don’t have time to worry about how offended you are right now. I’m too busy worrying about how offended the native peoples of Indonesia and New Zealand are.

  514. brooklynjon says:

    I am Zionist,

    That piece came up for discussion at this blog several weeks ago. It was discussed, and yes, the man is seriously disturbed and in need of some help of some kind. What else needs to be said?

  515. special forces says:

    To the imposter’s with imaginary combined post graduate degrees, who act learned & cultured but have never heard of Hell’s kitchen, New York & what a wonderfully cultured place it is. Who are not comfortable with euphamisms & slang.
    To those whose checking back regularly to ramble with their weak prose & extrude their personal frustrations by reading the lesser comments & feeling supported retort as fictional characters behind the safety of their keyboards.

    The comments of a person who may or may not be Egyptian who believes in presence & in state of mind & doesn’t necessarily feel the need to rely on spell check out of confidence?

    A person who knows it is better to have loved & lost than to have never loved at all.

    A person who loves the Egyptian mediocrity & mentality regardless of whether Egyptian or not believes that their passions hopes & fears are valid.
    Never heard of the name Meryt in Arabic by the way neither has anyone else but nice try but just FYI the organization I was referring to is an organization that attempts to defame the religion of Islam & the government of Egypt by falsely translating from Arabic as well as Persian & misrepresenting texts by taking facts out of context to implicitly advocate peaceful change by trying to win over popular opinion, mostly for the unlearned. This organisation does so with full diplomatic impunity with Egypt, although it is not very highly esteemed at all as a matter of fact it is distinctly looked at as the naked element of radical Zionism. Yes this organisation is funded by Mossad for pacifist solutions, forbearance & interculturalism not belligerance. This organisation is based in California. It’s name starts with an M that’s all I can say about it because I heard this info second hand.

    To just think that you- Meryt thought that I was insinuating that SM was joining you- one of his commentators & that you are that organisation. What hubris you have indeed to have thought that.

    If it is true you really are Egyptian Meryt let me ask you a few questions, as I am sure readers & myself would like to know since you hold values which seem fine in text but really have no place in Egyptian society as I am sure you already know. Why does it even surprise you that we are having this conversation.

    Would you consider changing your religion or at least moving to live in Israel if you are not Jewish, since you are an advocate of Israeli policy & feel that they are entirely kosher & since they are a fair democratic state & not an apartheid & will give your Egyptian bred falafel eating bosom equality & with your full rights?

    If you would agree to make the move what would your family think of such a decision?

    Do you think I am ambivalent & that you may win me over by telling me I don’t think objectively enough & that I am just spewing out stuff with out bringing concrete facts & that I don’t really bring anything to the table?

    How old are you? [I guess your older cuz of the closed mind]
    Do you live in Egypt? [I doubt it]
    What is your religion ? [Atheist/Muslim/Christian]
    Do you date? [my gues is YES alot or at least wish you did]
    Are you married? [Several times after a long career of Dating]
    Divorced? [probably]
    Do you drink? [of course, dumb question- no doubt you will say socially of course.]
    If you were to die tomorrow, would you have any regrets? [watch the hubris: look it up]
    And how would you prefer to be buried, in a Muslim or Coptic funeral procession? [or cremated]
    Where would you like to be buried in Egypt or abroad & why? [my guess is that you have no thoughts on the issue?]

    Just FYI if Israel were to strike Egypt tomorrow & hit your building & you were to come running to your next door neighbours house & I were to open the door, don’t be surprised if I were to give you a slap across the face for even knocking.

    Do you hold nothing dear?
    Are all your friends & family like you are?
    What a complete & utter fiasco your parents have done in raising you?

    I know lots of Egyptians in Egypt & out, fornicators, drinkers, smokers of dope, entertainers, writer’s , Lawyers, Dr.’s, mother’s, father’s, student’s etc some not practising any religion of any kind who believe in peace & all have one thing in common. You couldn’t possibly pay them enough to write the crap you are writing. If 0.05% of Egypt’s population were to just claim that they are like you then Egypt is far gone beyond any saving. Thank God it is not so- from Mubarak to all the presidential hopefuls, from Amr Moussa to the entire Arab League.

    What makes you do it? Are you cramped up in Sharm & dieing for a bit of real cock without pressure from the tourist police there. Do you wish you owned the place, hence YOUR Parsimonious praise of Egypt & the prevalent mentalities within it, from the rich, the poor, the murderous, the gay, the crippled, etc. Are you an SM wanna be? Your frustrations are pathetic & seems that you are just lookingfor acceptance.

    All these questions are only valid if you are Egyptian remember?

    Ayl Ghabbawa da?

  516. special forces says:

    To this incriminating statement below I only have one thing to say:

    Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off.

    I will not sod off & I will utilize this blog as an arena & staging ground to prove that there is only theoretical peace in the middle east I & intend to capitalize on the fact that the concept is not practical until I choose to sod off, Thank you.

  517. special forces, your forgetting to take the meds the nice doctors asked you to take. You’re posts are very entertaining though. Kinda like Robin Williams early schtick but more snarky, disgruntled and less funny. Rambling, directionless and full of psuedo intellectualism, are you Hillary’s campaign manager? “there is only theoretical peace in the middle east”, The theory of relativity was only a theory until it was proved true, ah, but alas, Einstien not only wasn’t Egyptian, he was a Jew! So where does this our quandy with ME peace? Theoretical or real? Percieved or ignored? Untill the masses believe there can be peace. there surely won’t. It only takes one enlightened soul at a time to believe that love is stronger than hate and from there one can only dream.

    If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

  518. special forces says:

    Hehe nice try @ a comeback considering it wasn’t directed specifically at you but actually accept your complement & reference to Hillarys campaign manager. I mean coming from a hard working dad of Jewish origin like yourself. I am touched. Hillary might just be the next president of the United States you never know. Oh and by the way when I said I hate you Tedders I was speaking facetiously, along with the imaginary nurse Rachett.

    I presume now it is safe to say that you are a pseudo-egalitarian, pseudo?Hehe nice…I’ll accept that.

    I just checked back to read Meryt’s comment that hasn’t been posted yet, it should be very interesting & I doubt she will answer back in the length the silent readers & myself expect, but don’t ruin it give her/him a chance & after she posts then you all can unleash hell on us pseudo types if you may.

    Take care.
    lil Sf

  519. why is this url still working? wtf? sandmonkey don’t you have anything better to spend your money on? ..oh, wait you don’t pay for the bandwidth, my mistake!

    oh, and everybody else, please, don’t try to rationalise with me, i don’t give a flying fuck about your opinions. i only care to debate people with higher intellect than a chipmunk, so better go back to your sad miserable lives and forget about this website forever!

    p.s. don’t bother to reply, i won’t read it

  520. why is this url still working? wtf? sandmonkey don’t you have anything better to spend your money on? ..oh, wait you don’t pay for the bandwidth, my mistake!

    oh, and everybody else, please, don’t try to rationalise with me, i don’t give a flying fuck about your opinions. i only care to debate people with higher intellect than a chipmunk, so better go back to your sad miserable lives and forget about this website forever!

    p.s. don’t bother to reply, i won’t read it

  521. Special Forces/Mona/Munkii…etc WHATEVER

    Thank you for the long,rambling, quite boring, hysterical exposé. You have managed to say too much about yourself, your calibre, the way you think, your personal priorities..etc. Over exposure would be the correct term. You said too much about yourself, nothing about me, except giving us more reflections of your paranoia & obssessions.It was a real “waslet rad7″ & “farsh melaya” . I do not stoop down to this level, but only this time, I will try to reply to your emotional babble. But I must first congratulate you. I see that you paid more attention to your vocabulary & improved your spelling.You can now just try to exert the the same effort with grammar & punctuation; then seriously consider the bleach suggestion offered by several people here.

    I will try to reply paragraph by paragraph. You said in your previous post:
    “If you can’t stand the heat then stay out of Hell’s kitchen.” Since I am no where close to NY, you got me! Neither the discussion nor the context, or anything had to do with NY, I did not guess it was another of your clichés. Oops! The rest of the paragraph, too long phrases, ‘who are’ would be better than ‘whose’. PUNCTUATION !! Nice display / show off of vocabulary but, again superfluous. You really prefer to convince yourself that I am a lying ‘imposter’ …etc, etc. Whatever. I do not lie, period.

    “The comments of a person who may or may not be Egyptian who believes in presence & in state of mind & doesn’t necessarily feel the need to rely on spell check out of confidence?”
    That point has already been settled, just say palestinian. You believe in ‘presence’ of… what? & which ‘state of mind’ are you rambling about? Are you saying that spelling mistakes boost your self confidence? What exactly are you saying? Is this a word for word literal translation from Arabic, because it sure does not make much sense in English.

    “A person who knows it is better to have loved & lost than to have never loved at all.” { sob sob sniff}
    Ah, one of my favorites, right after this one “I am an extremely good looking girl, that works out daily “. You are a very rude person, but you really make me laugh. Excuse me but what has your love life, my love life, anyone’s love life, got to do with this discussion? Can’t you carry an objective debate without personal emotional intrusions?

    “A person who loves the Egyptian mediocrity & mentality ”
    Why do you choose to put the word “mediocrity” first? It looks like you are saying that Egypt is mediocre, nevertheless your gracious self still loves it. Couldn’t you find a nicer word to juxtapose next to (Egyptian) mentality? Later on, you say “I know lots of Egyptians in Egypt & out, fornicators, drinkers, smokers of dope”, also “your Egyptian bred falafel eating bosom”. Is this your take on Egyptians? Once again before listing writers, scientists etc, you chose to give priority to this collection. Your choices speak volumes about you & about how you really regard Egypt & Egyptians.

    “Never heard of the name Meryt in Arabic by the way neither has anyone else but nice try but just FYI”. I can only ascribe this to a deficient level of education. However, I will help you. I said before EGYPTIAN name, not Arab. You know there were people living in the Nile valley before the 7th century..Meryt was the name of several queens :Meryt-Neith 3rd ruler of 1st dynasty, Meryt s Ankh, mother of Snefru,Meryt ites wife of Khufu, Meryt Re Hatshepsut wife of Thutmose III, also Meryt-Amon daughter of Akhnaten & Nefertiti, & another Meryt-Amon, wife of RamsesII… do I need to go on? But you would not be even interested in knowing about them.

    “an organization that attempts to defame the religion of Islam & the government of Egypt….This organisation does so with full diplomatic impunity with Egypt, ” OK what exactly are you saying here? So far it seems like all you managed to say about Egypt & Egyptians is that the Egyptians have a mediocre mentality, they are fornicators, drinkers, smokers of dope. Their government gives immunity to organizations that not only defame Islam but also the self same government! And you want to be taken seriously & the ranting you scribble be treated with any credence? As for the organization, I do not know anything about it & therefore I have nothing to say in this regard, which should have been also your position if, as you say, you only have tentative second hand information about it; but integrity does not seem to a point that bothers you much when you have a nice piece of hysteria to throw around.
    “you hold values which seem fine in text but really have no place in Egyptian society”. I believe in freedom & the right of individuals to believe & act according to their conscience, even if that means having opinions which contradict stereotypes of semi-educated pompous airheads. I believe in HONESTY & moral integrity, & having the courage to stand in the sun without hiding behind numerous aliases & pretending to be someone else. I believe that in every group of people there are the good & the bad. I refuse to demonize people wholesale because of their religion, nationality, or color of skin or gender. I believe that given the choice between war & peace, peace should be given every possible chance. I believe in the right of children to grow well nurtured ,in every possible respect, without their country’s resources being snatched by those who will only show ingratitude later on. Which of these values , in your opinion, have no place in Egyptian society, & why? Care to elaborate?
    You followed that with some really weird & juvenile questions which only demonstrated how limited is your ability to comprehend any of the posts written before. Why would I change my religion & move to Isreal? I said before to lump all Isrealis & all jews together in one block is very naive & frankly stupid. I did not say that everything is kosher in Isreal, but are you negating the existence of any of the pro-peace organizations which I mentioned before? Don’t you think peace should be given a chance? No, you prefer a war until the last falafel eating Egyptian soldier is dead & all of our falafel filled cities destroyed…while you are writing about it a smashing blog in Hell’s Kitchen NY. I just beg to differ.

    “Do you think I am ambivalent & that you may win me over by telling me I don’t think objectively enough & that I am just spewing out stuff with out bringing concrete facts & that I don’t really bring anything to the table?”

    You brought nothing but paranoid hysterical rantings of a sex obssessed Harem-Mentality. I asked you more than twice a series of questions about the wars & their consequences on Egypt, about specific incidents in recent history. You have not answered one question!!! Instead your only contribution is a collection of questions through which you are trying to portray me as a sexually repressed drunken slut. Aren’t these your adjectives of choice which you used to describe the Egyptians you know ‘in & out’ of Egypt? Fornicators, drinking, dope smokers… you have no respect whatsoever for Egypt or Egyptians, but you presume to speak for us!

    I will tell you what your choice of questions revealed. You have a very shallow grasp of intellectual issues. You are incapable of holding a discussion in a subjective mature manner. You are a religious fanatic. You have a quaint harem mentality which prevents you from holding a debate with a woman without reference to sex or falling in the trap of stereotypes which are demeaning to women. As a matter of fact, it doesn’t seem like you can think clearly or creatively without stereotyping everyone around. You have a penchant for the melodramatic. You confuse muck with cool, you have the language of the gutter & lack self-respect. ” Are you cramped up in Sharm & dieing for a bit of real cock without pressure from the tourist police there.” Is this enough to prove my point?
    Speaking about Sharm, I have some other questions for you my palestinian friend. Why was Seba3y shot in the head, & by whom? Why did Farouk Qadoumy dance & accept congratulations when Sadat, the assassinated president of falafel eaters , was killed? Yet a few years later it finally dawned on Arafat to sign a treaty?! How many Egyptians were killed & wounded in Sinai (only the most recent) bombings in 2004, 2005, 2006? How much did these attacks cost Egypt? Are you going to scream now accusing me of being Mossad, your easy all size mantra? Did you check any of the other incidents I referred to before for historical accuracy? You wouldn’t bother, why bother about truth when there is so much easy slime to throw around?
    I am Egyptian & proud of it. We, falafel eaters, are builders of culture & civilization, you are at best back stabbing ungrateful consumers of culture. In the long historical view, your contributions will be basically blood & strife. I am not interested in having any more debates with you. I will not waste my time or stoop this low again. You still remind me of the quotation “Ignorance is ignorance. It is a state of mind, not an opinion”

  522. Special forces says:

    ” Tedders I was speaking facetiously, along with the imaginary nurse Rachett”

    Yes, I got that sf, just as you got the nurse ratchett reference, I’m glad we understand each other. If I really thought you had a hatred for me personally I’m sure I wouldn’t be so kind when I go out of my way inform you of your intellectual shortcomings in a pleasant and thoughtful way. All in the pursuit of enlightenment and a good laugh, although I’m not so sure about the tone of this statement of yours, “I mean coming from a hard working dad of Jewish origin like yourself.” As far as I’ve been able to ascertain, I’m Scottish-English-Irish-American Indian(Comanche) and consider myself a wasp (white Anglo Saxon Protestant). I would only be more than proud if I could verify a Jewish lineage in my veins, I can think of nothing but good that i could inherit from a wonderful culture and history. As smart as you obviously think you are one would think you’d have understood the obvious clue I left you on the end of my post #559 in the form of 1st Corinthians 13, 1-3, that would be the seventh book of the New Testament, Tthe one that tells us of Jesus (not a big topic in Jewish circles..hint-hint) from the Bible, what you Muslims call “The Book”, Not the Torah. So Your reference to me as a Jew in the adversarial sense just highlights your bias and inability to see life without the self imposed blinders of anti Semitism. It must be difficult to improve your own lot when everything wrong with the world is caused by an international cabal of Jewish elders. Damn Jews, no wonder you’re not happy with yourself, I mean since they control “everything” (snickering-rolling eyes).

    Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as God forgave you.

    Sounds like good advice for “all” of us, don’t ya think?

  523. The Nightfly says:

    Wow. 565 posts. Just when the thought of being an arab began sickening me to no end, I read #564. With great emphasis, I thank you, Meryt. Call me a pessimist, but I do think that Mona/Special Forces et al do represent a great deal of arab perspective and mentality (regardless of whether or not he/she/it is Palestinian or Egyptian). Please don’t confuse this with validation, it’s simply a highly disturbing fact, the cause of which being generations of propaganda. It saddens me to see this blog go. It saddens me as an Egyptian, and as a human being capable of producing independent thought. There are all too few freethinkers among us, and this rings even truer for free-speakers. The consequences are grave, and will continue to be so long as the aforementioned mentality persists in the arab world. Sandmonkey: while I glaringly oppose some of your positions, particularly on U.S. foreign policy c. 2003, (cough.), I found your blog to be an oasis of lucidity and sobriety in what can only be called a vast desert of stupidity and ignorance. You will be greatly missed.

    Respectfully,

    Semi-Anonymous reader/lurker.

  524. special forces says:

    Believe it or not I went directly to the comments section immediately after reading your first three lines. I will go back & read the rest of it once I tell you the point at hand?

    Ok I’m Back, Meryt you pharaonic wanna be, your generalizing & replying to munkii & Mona as if we were one & the same person makes you a total wacko that is incapable of doing any foot work & taking things at face value & retorting by giving one the benefit of the doubt that he is not the Palestinian, called Mona, this is typical of your types accusations that Egyptians are brainwashed & stereotype everything whether they are wrong or right. You don’t answer questions in a DEBATE & you are not objective.

    You said that

    “but only this time, I will try to reply to your emotional babble. But I must first congratulate you. I see that you paid more attention to your vocabulary & improved your spelling.You can now just try to exert the the same effort with grammar & punctuation; then seriously consider the bleach suggestion offered by several people here.”

    You didn’t answer any of my questions not one, speaking of calibre Ms. a la ca-rte.

    What bleach ? Hello I am not Mona or any one else hello, ding, ding, ding!@@#$?

    You said “I will try to reply paragraph by paragraph. ”

    Well where is it?

    I can only ascertain that you are at best, a one time drunken slut because you don’t have any integrity when you avoid direct questions & try to mock ones grammatical prose. I mean how childish.

    Isn’t that exactly what you are preaching against? Okay so what I will just end this now & say that you are more brilliantly educated than me or anybody you have disagreed with on this site, even though readers can undoubtedly tell that this is a fallacy at best, but I will be the gentlemen & say you madame are a fine writer, not necessarily that good of a one to mock others, but a fine writer indeed.

    Starting to feel civilized yet?

    Now,

    You tell people not to generalize & be straight up & objective regarding issues that they have trouble digesting but look at yourself & how you generalized.

    Here you go again with the assumption I am Mona again. Start answering my questions? What the hell is ? “I work out a lot & am good looking? Who the hell is a Palestinian girl? My grandparents are from Upper Egypt. I am not Mona…got that although she was very gutsy but not much of a lady, well not here anyways, I don’t care to judge anyone but you right now as you have me.

    Your boo hoo hoo to my reference to have loved & lost referred to my wanting to live with my gf on a certain side of the Atlantic, but it didn’t work out? Mock all you want I don’t mind, it would be kinda cool if she were reading this right now but is way to busy with her MBA at GeorgeTown I think it bother.

    Don’t act so artsy fartsy & know it all when you haven’t even heard of west-side story, which took place in hell’s kitchen, it was about the Latinos [puerto riccan's] vs. the Irish mob & the setting actually had a lot of Jews that still do live there…so learn it in order to gain points with you pro Israeli crowd here. Israel seems to be the one in the right hehwhhhahahaha, so I am with Israel too- NOT!, turn on the T.V watch the slaughter ya 3mya. I don’t care how many anti war groups they have there, that should tell you something that they are doing something wrong ya habibti ok, capiche?

    You and your Zionist buddies here are the ones that say you all have the correct mentality unlike the regular Mo in that is misled & brainwashed & at best mediocre, therefore I was referring to them as such to say even if they were I still love them all the same. By the way I love Falafel.

    Don’t make me laugh what the hell is this you wrote, Florence…Oh that’s Florence Nightingale- Google her name as you should have done with my reference Hell’s Kitchen you could have come out much more learned. so you are far from New York, Rome of the modern world but you haven’t told us where yet, that might help?

    “I believe in HONESTY & moral integrity, & having the courage to stand in the sun without hiding behind numerous aliases & pretending to be someone else. I believe that in every group of people there are the good & the bad. I refuse to demonize people wholesale because of their religion, nationality, or color of skin or gender. I believe that given the choice between war & peace, peace should be given every possible chance. I believe in the right of children to grow well nurtured ,in every possible respect, without their country’s resources being snatched by those who will only show ingratitude later on. Which of these values , in your opinion, have no place in Egyptian society, & why? Care to elaborate?”

    Well Yes I do, who the hell are you trying to fool or who the hell are trying to be?
    Who the hell do you think you are Susan Mubarak heheaaahahhaaa?

    You called me a religious fanatic, what the hell? I thought I was dope smoking purvayer of sluts with a dirty tongue? Don’t make assumptions sweety, make up your mind. I am more than willing to share some of the Med’s I got from WORLD PEACE with you my Egyptian Narcissistic friend.

    Just for your info I have been here way longer than most of you on this site. Samdmonkey has a blog dedicated to me, which I will no doubt have to prove to you.

    Get it together girl? Care to tell us your 1-age, 2-location, 3-marital status, 4- religion & 5- occupation at least?

    Care to tell us how you became you & where you got your so called superior English skills?

    ? I am sure you have nothing to fear if you really as passionate about things as you say, how could it hurt? And to just think that I, because you took so long to post your response was considering leaving you an apology because I felt like I over did it & maybe took it too far, because you don’t know me but I am just that type of guy. But in any case you earned it now try to burn it.

    Mona if you are reading this pleas post something & please do not make the same spelling mistakes as me as it was misconstrued when I re-wrote theasauras intentionally wrong as someone did on their comment Meryt thought it was right out of the horses mouth. Oh ya & if you see Elvis tell him to just leave something here as well..lol

    Suspicion & Paranoia a great substitute for dialogue & intellectualism

    There you go Demerit oops I mean Meryt, heres my comment/REPLY now see if you can get off of your white horse & do the same, my apoligies if you are uncomfortable with the foul language of people like myself that have lived on both sides of the fence., just as Tworset is but she politley stayed away whilst you engaged, but I will attempt to curb my tongue but that still isn’t an excuse. Best of luck, yalla warini 3ndik ay?

  525. special forces says:

    Tedder’s,

    No worries it sounds like good advice.

    Just a note it’s up to you to believe it or not but all mankind are dissidents of the middle east, therefore since Jews are indigenous to the middle east we all have roots in the great religion of Judaism, even Muslims & Christians as well as other cocktails.

    I have nothing against anybody just those that are detrimental to my health & values & they do have right to live in peace as long as they do not hurt, vex or offend me or my brother man.

    Have a good one, I’m out!

  526. Thanks SF, and for what its worth, I know your not Mona. You seem much more capable of laughing at diversity in the world (I hope I’m right) and a lot less self loathing and fatalistic than Mona, God bless her hateful soul. I think regardless of how we disagree with each other we can still find a common ground on the basics that we do agree on (as we all should). Freedom of thought, independence, acceptence of others and the wisdom to look inward for true change.

    Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

  527. special forces says:

    Teddy,

    just as I mistook you for being Jewish & showed your concern because you thought I meant something by it, { I hope by now you know I am not racist} I to have a little concern in regards to your poetry at the end of your last reply when you say:

    Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    The same is true Vice Versa, it is a matter of opinion which side it is with the plank in their eye’s but you would usually think my dear friend it is the side which causes the most casualties to the other side continuosly regardless of that sides reasons for doing so, ay? We both know which side that is & I am not trying to open up Pandora’s box by insinuating either side could be right but you have strong words & good advice then you throw something like that in at the end? I seriously doubt that you lack the brains to see how this might be construed.

    I will not try & discredit your intellectualism as you & Meryt have attempted to do by so called politely informing me of my intellectual shortcomings as you put it. If wanted to proceed down that route then I could start by doing as Meryt does & tell you that the word “until” is spelled with one “l” not “two-untill” but what will I gain from doing so if I am secure with my own convictions & really wouldn’t mind a better situation in the ME & understand that ridiculing peoples spelling is a very negative way to realize such aspirations of peace. I will consider the past behind us & keep an open mind. Do you think that in the future that you could be more cautious my friend regarding such not so easily understood climactic poetry at the end of your posts or anywhere within them?

    Thanks for all the advice & definately those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones & that goes equally for both sides. I hope you weren’t insinuating anything anyways but I could be wrong & hope you appreciate my concerns.

    It is very hard to blog in one respect on other sites & to come here & blog in the position of an underdog, as you may have noticed the ones who disagree with the majority here don’t stick around very long. It has been in a way a little nerve racking & I don’t see much point anymore but want people to know that although I have my own opinions I am not out to cast stones at any anyone.

    Again in my own opinion, this blog has been a platform for many people but most of all a great stepping stone for the individual known as Sandmonkey. I mean even he knows that when he say’s “Support the Neo-con American Right-wing Zionist Christian Imperialist Conspiracy in the Middle-east!” he is just being sarcastic, correct me if I am wrong?

  528. SF, thanks for the thoughtful reply. You stated:” I to have a little concern in regards to your poetry at the end of your last reply when you say:”
    It wasn’t poetry but it does sound like it. It was Matthew 7, 1-5, again from the New Testament, here it is in its entirety.

    1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    I didn’t mean to direct it only at you but to all, myself included.

    Your use of the term intellectualism though is clearly wrong. The word intellectualism has the same meaning as philosophical or psychological rationalism and has the connotation of over reliance on theoretical models to the detriment of practical experience. I’m sure what you meant to question was my intellectual capacity or lack therof from my lack of correct spelling or failure to use spell check! Touché. You know I’ve got some mental thing about untill/until I’m not sure where that came from except I seem to have the same thing with oppisite/opposite. Ain’t spell check great ;) Let me also make it clear that any mention of your intellectual shortcomings was in the realm of sarcasm and you should not think for a second that I feel that way about your intellectual prowess.

    You stated:
    “Again in my own opinion, this blog has been a platform for many people but most of all a great stepping stone for the individual known as Sandmonkey.”

    I personally feel that whatever SM gets from this blog he’s created (and I hope it is great in magnitude) we posters will receive the lions share of the positive. It has allowed me to expand my opinions to a large degree, (and believe it or not) it has given me the opportunity for the difficult task of appreciating other people realities, fears and opinions. If I should ever quit or fail to listen to opposing opinions I should fail to be what is essentially human.

    I’ve got to cut this short my lovely bride has informed me that she needs my manly abilities to help ready our domicile for a social gathering tonight. With that said…….

  529. special forces says:

    To Meryt,

    I guess what I really wanted to say is this, if you are Egyptian do you consider yourself so ultra modern that you unkowingly are a spoof to Egyptian society & it’s customs, aloof to the fact that those who suffered in the events of Sinai & Suez that you mentioned as well as others who’s suffering was minimal including those who did not suffer at all, all have one thing in common which they hold dear to their hearts.

    Egypt takes pride in it’s custom’s, those customs may be conservative but within them are great benefit like the importance of family ties, disregard to premarital sex, not to consort with the enemy until you look at what it is your old ememy is doing to the people that were the cause of you being an enemy to them in the first place.

    I hope you don’t think that you are so ultra modern that you are above these values because you can type a little in English, wow? You & I both know for anyone to be anyone in Egyptian society they must hold the above values dear to them or at least pretend that they are dear to them. You remind me of this episode I was watching on the dream satellite channel about some beauty pageant, the mothers were complaining after their daughters didn’t win that the pageant was against Egyptian customs & that they were not even allowed to wear their under wear because the fashion team didn’t want the lining of their panties protruding through there outfits, as well as the contestants from the Mr. Egypt contest using the same dressing rooms with the famale Ms. egypt conestants. They said that this was outrageous & unacceptable, the question was presented to them then why they didn’t take their daughters out of the pageant?
    How does this relate to you, well for the simple fact that they are hypocrites. Come on their must be a brazen reason why you are different from the norm hence all my questions of where you were raised, age, marital status etc & how you got to be this way. For a lot of years I was like you & thought I supported Israel till I saw that I was a nincompoop for doing so for reasons so very very beyond your comprehension.

    Am I an enemy of Israel NO I am Not, am I against Israel NO I am not, am I an advocate of Israel NO I am not, am I upset with Israel yES I am, will I be hospitable to an Israeli YES I would as us trua Arabs are hospitable by nature & will never turn away a guest. It is sad to see you & I, country folk in this squalor. I make my paece.

    AND ASALAMO 3LAYKOM WRAHMETALLAHI WBARAKATO

  530. special forces says:

    Ooops double post with out some of the spelling mistakes, grammatical errors, lack of punctuation, artsy fartsy big vocab words, better sentence structuring etc. although I didn’t change much look what they got me doing!

    To Meryt,

    I guess what I really wanted to say is this, if you are Egyptian do you consider yourself so ultra modern that you unknowingly are a spoof to Egyptian society & it’s customs, aloof to the fact that those who suffered in the events of Sinai & Suez that you mentioned as well as others whose suffering was minimal including those who did not suffer at all, all have one thing in common which they hold dear to their hearts.

    Egypt takes pride in it’s custom’s, those customs may be conservative but within them are great benefit like the importance of family ties, disregard to premarital sex, not to consort with the enemy until you look at what it is your old enemy is doing to the people that were the cause of you being an enemy to them in the first place.

    I hope you don’t think that you are so ultra modern that you are above these values because you can type a little in English, wow? You & I both know for anyone to be anyone in Egyptian society they must hold the above values dear to them or at least pretend that they are dear to them. You remind me of this episode I was watching on the dream satellite channel about some beauty pageant, the mothers were complaining after their daughters didn’t win that the pageant was against Egyptian customs & that they were not even allowed to wear their under wear because the fashion team didn’t want the lining of their panties protruding through there outfits, as well as the contestants from the Mr. Egypt contest using the same dressing rooms with the female Ms. Egypt contestants. They said that this was outrageous & unacceptable, the question was presented to them then why they didn’t take their daughters out of the pageant?
    How does this relate to you, well for the simple fact that they are hypocrites. Come on their must be a brazen reason why you are different from the norm hence all my questions of where you were raised, age, marital status etc & how you got to be this way. For a lot of years I was like you & thought I supported Israel till I saw that I was a nincompoop for doing so for reasons so very very beyond your comprehension.

    Am I an enemy of Israel NO I am Not, am I against Israel NO I am not, am I an advocate of Israel NO I am not, am I upset with Israel yes I am, will I be hospitable to an Israeli YES I would as us true Arabs are hospitable by nature & will never turn away a guest. It is sad to see you & I, country folk in this squalor. I make my peace.

    AND ASALAMO 3LAYKOM WRAHMETALLAHI WBARAKATO

  531. special forces says:

    I’m not so sure this is the appropriate place to share this but it saddened me after reading Teddy’s response as I got to thinking…well I don’t know what I got to thinking but anyways as I said that it saddened me but it didn’t surprise me the least even though I have been told by Palestinian/Israeli Arab’s that visited Egypt , that what we see isn’t even 1% of what goes on in Gaza & the west bank.
    —————————————————————————————–
    ISRAEL MISTAKEDLY TARGET’S UNBORN

    CAIRO — If she were to choose, Palestinian Maha Katouni would sacrifice herself to save the live of her seven-month baby boy in her womb, who shielded her from a single killer Israeli bullet.

    The first thing she asked her family when they came to the hospital is ‘what happened to my baby,’” Bassam Hashash, a nurse at the Nablus’s Rafidia Hospital’s casualty ward, told The Independent Saturday, May 12.
    “They told her that he (baby) had died.”
    Israeli soldiers, on one of their deadly night raids in the West Bank city of Nablus, were exchanging fire Thursday May 10, with Palestinian resistance fighters.
    According to eyewitnesses, one of the soldiers’ stray, indiscriminate bullets found its way at Katouni’s back just to hit the head of the unborn baby boy.
    The mother was at her third-floor bedroom in the Ein Beit Ilman refugee camp in Nablus while she was trying to comfort one of her three sons, who was terrified by the deafening sound of gunfire.
    “The foetus prevented the bullet from killing her because he took the bullet in his head,” said Hashash, urging psychological counseling for the bereaved mother.
    Critical Condition
    The 30-year-old mother is now lying between life and death after undergoing a major surgery to save her life.
    “My sister is between life and death,” said Ibahim Dayab, the women’s brother, accusing Israeli forces of indiscriminately killing Palestinian civilians.
    “They want to scare us,” fumed Dayab. “They don’t want us to live a normal life. They are trying to push us to the edge of despair.”
    The woman’s mother, Fawzyeh, was also in the same gloomy mood.
    “My daughter’s life is in danger and she will not be able to have children again,” said the tearful mother.
    Thursday’s attack was the latest in a series of deadly overnight raids by Israeli soldiers in the West Bank.
    Israeli forces frequently carry out attacks in the occupied West Bank to detain what they say wanted Palestinians who are planning “terrorist” attacks.
    Weeks ago, Bushra Wahash, a 17-year-old student, was shot dead in her house by Israeli soldiers in the West Bank while she was preparing for her exams.
    The Israeli army said that the shooting was in response to fire from the same building.
    But the victim’s family dismissed the Israeli claim, saying there were only women and a toddler in the house at the time.
    —————————————————————————————–
    Anyways enough said, whose hand’s is it in for this to stop? Some will say insurgents as I am sure some will say Israeli’s but the fact of the matter is I have become numb with all this crap.

    I mean I could say Fuck this it’s useless [pardon my French] let them fight it out & just hop on a plane & enjoy the time off called Summer & come back with a tan & my new Apple iphone but something makes me feel guilty especially since that’s probably what I will end up doing anyways without saying fuck it let them battle it out because really there is not much I can really do?

    You know if every voice against Israel were to silence itself, I don’t see much future prospect for peace anyways, I mean look at the UAE & Saudi they are building entire new cities by the dozen in order to stabilize growth, wouldn’t Israel need to do the same but their land is very limited & they can only expand settlements so much. What will be the outcome of that, cooperation in my opinion seems essential.

    It seems to me that the easiest route for peace [or for convenience sake/peace of mind] was to just turn a blind eye to stories like the above & maybe start a few groups like the ones Meryt so passionately talks about which actually have little affect, just to show that not all Israeli’s are for this mayham although polls show the exact opposite amongst Israeli citizens, they just want them to go away.

    Enough said, I have a better idea how about all of us that are in Egypt get together, make a group, & try to actually do something about it? I suspect that a few jaws dropped in hearing that proposition, but it’s possible you know, but how far do you think we would get, looks like an open closed book idea right there.

    Teddy about the spelling of ‘untill’ I did that for that for the longest time myself & when spellcheck told me it was only one ‘l’ I thought that something must be up with my damn computer & resorted to my handy Webster’s paperback until I realized that I was at fault. So don’t worry about it man, I was just trying to make a point that it is one thing, to politely correct someones mistakes & an other to find solace in telling them they are wrong & thinking that they are strengthening their point sby doing so, not to mention anymore names. R.I.P. you know who you are.

    Well me too, I have to wake up @ dawbecause I have a Krav Mega class if anyone know’s what that is, I bet Sandmonkey would, nite!

  532. !!!???!!!???!!! says:

    Israel won’t run out of space for at least 15 more years and even if it did the average impudent mentality will evoke something like Iraq anyways but possibly much worse thus Israel will not go for it with it being so close to home, that’s why Jordan, Lebanon & Egypt are treading carefully. The only element that isn’t is Syria which doesn’t seem to have learned much from history from history. It is not essential, it is quintessential and not possible unless an omnipotent force intervenes. Even if Syria did get it’s act together & there was another revolution in Iran. there is actually no money in peace for the big boys, unbalance is balance. You should know that special forces or should I call you special Olympics :D , what are you doing here anyways!!!???!!!???!!!

  533. special forces says:

    Antonio!!!!????!!!!!?????!!!!! Whatever I know it is you, you said the same exact thing at the club anyways when I told you about this blog when you said “You are on your own & sounds like a waste of time?” You are funny cause I am not insinuating you are he, you are he as I see you repeated words & everything, which is typical of your sense of humour. Next time you pay the taxi fool!

    Well will be back tomorrow to check & see if Merytiti has worked up the nerve or couage to asnswer back on a few of those anything’s I asked her, but I doubt that she will as she has seemigly out odone her self by describing me as a show off that uses extremely fancy vocabulary and at the same time confuses me with her arch enemy, some Palestinian woman who whooped her but real good or was involved in a messy love triangle with her & SM for all I know or something, so I guess I am pre desposed to say in this run on sentence: Rest in Peace Memy, I had hopes that you could have hung with the big boys, but I was WRONG! Admit it your silence is a clear & utter forfeit at best. Malish te 3eeshi wtaghdi ghairha, mua!

    Come on people, leave comments we want this thread to hit at least 800

  534. tommy hilnigger says:

    tough words, tough words!

  535. Special Forces,

    I had said before that I will not post here again , however, if you really mean this:
    “It is sad to see you & I, country folk in this squalor. I make my peace”, then I will try, just this once, to answer some of your questions, hoping that your intentions are sincere..

    Sorry to have kept you waiting, it wasn’t for lack of guts, but week-ends are first & foremost family time. Hubby & kids come first! Some clarifications are needed first. What do you mean by “rest in peace”? Ba3d el shar 3alaya! Mona is not my arch enemy ( her vocabulary only), & she didn’t whoop me. As a matter of fact, if you go back to post 540, someone said :”This is ridiculous you are not going to make me out be wanker like you did with some of the folks that retorted here & expressed their views no matter how impolite they were”. :o ) That said, the above should not be construed as waiving the red flag! I refuse to participate in any ‘waslat rad7′, so we keep it civil. Lastly, the spelling corrections were a direct response to the use of “school drop outs” epithet, you see special forces, I am ,TOTALLY, Upper Egyptian.

    Before I go on, bear in mind that I do not lie. There is no reason for me to lie. I do not know you or anyone who might read this, & even if I did, I still wont lie, come hail or storm. Do not respond to what I’m writing by accusing me of being, mossad , forgein,or a stereotyped I7san 3abdel Qodous character..bla bla. That would be demeaning to you before me. I am not a hypocrite & in answer to your question, no I never PRETEND to believe in something , even if that leaves me the only person facing everyone else!

    You asked what makes me seem to be different ( omit the ‘spoof, brazen & hypocrite parts). I have travelled extensively in Egypt, not to resort areas, but to real small villages & hamlets, where real people live. Some live in extreme difficulty. Poverty is harsh, and the people are so nice. They will cut from their dinner to offer you a cold drink which they cannot afford. These, special forces, are the falafel eaters. Try to research on the web the consequences of mal-nourishment on the development of children, I am a mother & some things break my heart. Since 1948 Egypt entered one war after the other & paid – & is still paying-a huge price from the life of its children, to its resources, demolished cities etc. When Sadat arrived to the conclusion that war is not a solution, he was right & very pragmatic. When would it be right to say :” Eli ye7taguh el beit, ye7ram 3ala el game3″? If I am going to play Florence, I’ll do so for Egyptian children first, then others. There was a reason why Egyptians welcomed the peace treaty. The new PC in Egypt tries to ignore this totally & pretend it never happened. It did. Sadat tried to negotiate also for the palestinians & bring in Arafat & Jordan. He was called a traitor for not scarificing more of his people for the sake of propaganda & the prevelant politicking by those self same people who a few years later also signed treaties, only at less favorable conditions.

    I also have a problem with the attitude of other arabs towards Egypt. You might have noticed a comment left here by someone who called himself Libyan Warrior( I prefer to refer to him as Libyan Whatever, since the army of Libya is not exactly noted for its valor in battle) . If you have not, go back & read it. You yourself were not exactly ‘nice’ to us fool eaters, were you? This is not just you or him, it is so typical of other arabs. The vast majority of Arab countries did nothing for palestinians but raise banners & beat themselves up to a froth of “Inana nashgub wa no’ayed & wa babble like mad”,hold summits, make all the proper noises & this was the extent of their effort, other than being nasty to the falfel eaters. They mock Egyptians’ poverty which was caused mainly by the wars.Do you know that in the 40s Egypt gave economic assistance to Saudi Arabia ? They mocked our army, the wars of 67, 73 etc. At the same time they are shameless enough to assassinate Egyptians, blow up resorts, & even congratulate themselves over the murder of Sadat. When I told you that the government had to intervene to protect palestinians, I was being very truthful. Do a little research & check archives yourself, like I did. I am not the odd one out here as you imagine me to be. I am just totally lacking the PC gene, or the term for it , the’ herd instinct’, & will say it as it is.
    Am I insensitive to the hardship of palestinians, no I sincerely feel for them. Am I blindly supporting Isreali policies, no I am not. Am I for peace? 100%. You have to ask yourself where will this vicious circle of violance lead to. Nowhere! No matter how enticing & seductive slogans might be,only more people die, more children suffer, & more unscrupulous people/groups will exploit it for their own agendas – on both sides . Just like you refuse the premise that all arabs are Bin Ladens, you cannot just lump all jews & Isrealis & demonize them. There must be a middle ground somewhere, otherwise, it will never end. I do not claim to know exactly where this is, but anything less than a cool-headed, realistic,view of your oponents will lead only to a dead end, in all respects. You cannot think clearly in the middle of a tantrum, & you cannot see clearly if you keep throwing black paint on your window panes.

    Lastly, another of my pet peeves is the facility with which people now give in to conspiracy theories & the ease of stomping people into stereotypes. Stop & think about all these theories of secret plots, HIV hookers, & taking over the Nile ..etc. Do you seriously believe it? I am not a “Mossad “agent, trying to ‘lull you’ into ..bla bla, but I simply find it insulting to our intelligence to believe in such nonsense. . the rest of the world is not impressed either, try selling this to any outsider & they’ll shrug & say “oh, you thunk”? Why are we blinding ourselves? If we throw the blame around & all our hardships are exclusively the result of plots & conspiracies, we will never be able perceive & correctly diagnose our problems, & when we indulge in orgies of self-pity we only weaken ourselves.

    Another of the stereotypes I saw here, is that of the woman issue. You did not like what i said before at all. When you discovered that Meryt is a woman, why did you try to make all these sexual assumptions & insinuations, a drunk sexually frustrated slut, who is not married but dates a lot etc. I realize that part of it was an attempt tof intemidate me. If you were addressing a man, would you have made the same insinuations? Why did you ask me about my marital status even though it has no bearing on the issues?Do you believe that a woman’s sense of morality & propriety depends on her husband/brother/father & that it disappears in case of their absence? The way I was raised up, by my very Sa3idi father, is that I carry my strength in myself. My commitment to my principles does not waver depending on my marital status. I do not need to be locked up under supervision in a harem. Luckily, I never had to dispute that with my husband either. We both fully RESPECT each other. Frankly, you aught to be ashamed of yourself special forces, you know what the Prophet said about that.

    My very final point of contention with you has to do with the issue of disagreement, dissent & freedom. You do not like SM’s opinions, & it seems you detest mine. Nevertheless, if your attitude is always ” if I dont agree with what you’re saying, if I don’t like it, then you must be a traitor, spy agent, harlot ( or a combination of all) & I must by all means silence you”; isn’t that the self same attitude adopted by all the regimes in the ME? How can you complain about them but do the same thing? Where will the future of freedom in the area be if you do not accept diversity of positions & beliefs? You could not send in police forces, you sent in indirect accusations of sexual immorality, treason, or in the case of Mona, very foul language, with the purpose of coercing people you disagree with into silence. Is that really fundamentally different from using police truncheons? Think about it.

    I have a question: why do you want this thread to hit at least 800?

    It’s late, I’m tired, I’m going

    AND ASALAMO 3LAYKOM WRAHMETALLAHI WBARAKATO

  536. I am not sure, but if this is a double posting, oops sorry!

    Special Forces,

    I had said before that I will not post here again , however, if you really mean this:
    “It is sad to see you & I, country folk in this squalor. I make my peace”, then I will try, just this once, to answer some of your questions, hoping that your intentions are sincere..

    Sorry to have kept you waiting, it wasn’t for lack of guts, but week-ends are first & foremost family time. Hubby & kids come first! Some clarifications are needed first. What do you mean by “rest in peace”? Ba3d el shar 3alaya! Mona is not my arch enemy ( her vocabulary only), & she didn’t whoop me. As a matter of fact, if you go back to post 540, someone said :”This is ridiculous you are not going to make me out be wanker like you did with some of the folks that retorted here & expressed their views no matter how impolite they were”. :o ) That said, the above should not be construed as waiving the red flag! I refuse to participate in any ‘waslat rad7′, so we keep it civil. Lastly, the spelling corrections were a direct response to the use of “school drop outs” epithet, you see special forces, I am ,TOTALLY, Upper Egyptian.

    Before I go on, bear in mind that I do not lie. There is no reason for me to lie. I do not know you or anyone who might read this, & even if I did, I still wont lie, come hail or storm. Do not respond to what I’m writing by accusing me of being, mossad , forgein,or a stereotyped I7san 3abdel Qodous character..bla bla. That would be demeaning to you before me. I am not a hypocrite & in answer to your question, no I never PRETEND to believe in something , even if that leaves me the only person facing everyone else!

    You asked what makes me seem to be different ( omit the ‘spoof, brazen & hypocrite parts). I have travelled extensively in Egypt, not to resort areas, but to real small villages & hamlets, where real people live. Some live in extreme difficulty. Poverty is harsh, and the people are so nice. They will cut from their dinner to offer you a cold drink which they cannot afford. These, special forces, are the falafel eaters. Try to research on the web the consequences of mal-nourishment on the development of children, I am a mother & some things break my heart. Since 1948 Egypt entered one war after the other & paid – & is still paying-a huge price from the life of its children, to its resources, demolished cities etc. When Sadat arrived to the conclusion that war is not a solution, he was right & very pragmatic. When would it be right to say :” Eli ye7taguh el beit, ye7ram 3ala el game3″? If I am going to play Florence, I’ll do so for Egyptian children first, then others. There was a reason why Egyptians welcomed the peace treaty. The new PC in Egypt tries to ignore this totally & pretend it never happened. It did. Sadat tried to negotiate also for the palestinians & bring in Arafat & Jordan. He was called a traitor for not scarificing more of his people for the sake of propaganda & the prevelant politicking by those self same people who a few years later also signed treaties, only at less favorable conditions.

    I also have a problem with the attitude of other arabs towards Egypt. You might have noticed a comment left here by someone who called himself Libyan Warrior( I prefer to refer to him as Libyan Whatever, since the army of Libya is not exactly noted for its valor in battle) . If you have not, go back & read it. You yourself were not exactly ‘nice’ to us fool eaters, were you? This is not just you or him, it is so typical of other arabs. The vast majority of Arab countries did nothing for palestinians but raise banners & beat themselves up to a froth of “Inana nashgub wa no’ayed & wa babble like mad”,hold summits, make all the proper noises & this was the extent of their effort, other than being nasty to the falfel eaters. They mock Egyptians’ poverty which was caused mainly by the wars.Do you know that in the 40s Egypt gave economic assistance to Saudi Arabia ? They mocked our army, the wars of 67, 73 etc. At the same time they are shameless enough to assassinate Egyptians, blow up resorts, & even congratulate themselves over the murder of Sadat. When I told you that the government had to intervene to protect palestinians, I was being very truthful. Do a little research & check archives yourself, like I did. I am not the odd one out here as you imagine me to be. I am just totally lacking the PC gene, or the term for it , the’ herd instinct’, & will say it as it is.
    Am I insensitive to the hardship of palestinians, no I sincerely feel for them. Am I blindly supporting Isreali policies, no I am not. Am I for peace? 100%. You have to ask yourself where will this vicious circle of violance lead to. Nowhere! No matter how enticing & seductive slogans might be,only more people die, more children suffer, & more unscrupulous people/groups will exploit it for their own agendas – on both sides . Just like you refuse the premise that all arabs are Bin Ladens, you cannot just lump all jews & Isrealis & demonize them. There must be a middle ground somewhere, otherwise, it will never end. I do not claim to know exactly where this is, but anything less than a cool-headed, realistic,view of your oponents will lead only to a dead end, in all respects. You cannot think clearly in the middle of a tantrum, & you cannot see clearly if you keep throwing black paint on your window panes.

    Lastly, another of my pet peeves is the facility with which people now give in to conspiracy theories & the ease of stomping people into stereotypes. Stop & think about all these theories of secret plots, HIV hookers, & taking over the Nile ..etc. Do you seriously believe it? I am not a “Mossad “agent, trying to ‘lull you’ into ..bla bla, but I simply find it insulting to our intelligence to believe in such nonsense. . the rest of the world is not impressed either, try selling this to any outsider & they’ll shrug & say “oh, you thunk”? Why are we blinding ourselves? If we throw the blame around & all our hardships are exclusively the result of plots & conspiracies, we will never be able perceive & correctly diagnose our problems, & when we indulge in orgies of self-pity we only weaken ourselves.

    Another of the stereotypes I saw here, is that of the woman issue. You did not like what i said before at all. When you discovered that Meryt is a woman, why did you try to make all these sexual assumptions & insinuations, a drunk sexually frustrated slut, who is not married but dates a lot etc. I realize that part of it was an attempt tof intemidate me. If you were addressing a man, would you have made the same insinuations? Why did you ask me about my marital status even though it has no bearing on the issues?Do you believe that a woman’s sense of morality & propriety depends on her husband/brother/father & that it disappears in case of their absence? The way I was raised up, by my very Sa3idi father, is that I carry my strength in myself. My commitment to my principles does not waver depending on my marital status. I do not need to be locked up under supervision in a harem. Luckily, I never had to dispute that with my husband either. We both fully RESPECT each other. Frankly, you aught to be ashamed of yourself special forces, you know what the Prophet said about that.

    My very final point of contention with you has to do with the issue of disagreement, dissent & freedom. You do not like SM’s opinions, & it seems you detest mine. Nevertheless, if your attitude is always ” if I dont agree with what you’re saying, if I don’t like it, then you must be a traitor, spy agent, harlot ( or a combination of all) & I must by all means silence you”; isn’t that the self same attitude adopted by all the regimes in the ME? How can you complain about them but do the same thing? Where will the future of freedom in the area be if you do not accept diversity of positions & beliefs? You could not send in police forces, you sent in indirect accusations of sexual immorality, treason, or in the case of Mona, very foul language, with the purpose of coercing people you disagree with into silence. Is that really fundamentally different from using police truncheons? Think about it.

    I have a question: why do you want this thread to hit at least 800?

    It’s late, I’m tired, I’m going

    AND ASALAMO 3LAYKOM WRAHMETALLAHI WBARAKATO

  537. Amen, Meryt.

  538. special forces says:

    Ok Meryt, for a start it is refreshing to know that you realize that I am not Mona or whoever. You must admit that was pretty weird. I mean it was frustrating enough to differ with your opinion & the way you blatantly express it in accordance to the pro-Israeli crowd here, but to accuse me or anyone that gets a little hostile, that they are Mona, was totally beyond me.

    Having said that, this crowd of which I am speaking uses the terms sand-niggers & camel-jockeys have no shame in using such terms & say just just Nuke Em’- just as that song called “push the button” that won the Euro awards by that Israeli group, you may have heard about it on BBC.

    As it just so happened that you decided to occupy this mentality as they accepted you as long as you were very polite. I decided to side with the Mona crowd, not that I agreed with them but I am sure you can understand just as you found your comfort zone their, I did the same although I felt far from comfortable.

    Yes Egypt has suffered greatly from the wars & yes there is poverty however just as those poor folks you were talking about would cut from their dinner to buy you a cold non alcoholic beverage, because they have SHAHAMA. Egypt had SHAHAMA when Palestinians were being killed by radical Jews in the late 40′s before either of us were even born I take it.

    I meant nothing by the term falafel eater anyhow’s, I only wanted you to read it & know what it felt like to be called that by the people I mentioned above, as well as the country folks of people who call Arabs this, because the fact is, the minute that you start to disagree with this crowd they automatically will call you one, to say the least. You are to be commended on your patience if you still have the same stand after being casted stones by such stones. I would think that you would be more offended by my using terms like dick etc. but even that I meant in reference to the females that return from Sinai talking about how cute the Jewish men are in Dahab etc., saying that they got some action as others say all they did was get drunk with them. They say they are so nice so Israeli must have a right to exist because they are good in bed, I mean Pleaseeeee! I just imagine that heir folks don’t mind until they know that these men are Israeli. Is that ironic or what? No pun intended cause I guess since you are married are not in that category.

    No one is having an orgy & blaming all our problems on Israel, but it is a fact that those who believe in a Jewish homeland believe that homeland consists or stretches from half of Egypt all the way up to Turkestan & as far east as Iraq. Research this Please before retorting! As far as conspiracy theories go, again there are ones that actually exist, it is not logical for you to not believe this & label it ignorance with out proof yourself, there are facts that exist which point the finger in the direction of Israel. Like the Jewish American guy they caught in Egypt that-was molesting little boy’s, sodomizing them & yes he had full blown aids- his name was James something. Okay maybe he wasn’t sent by Israel but how about the research that Israel was doing on desert fertilizers that yielded arid land to be extremely fertile, but the down side was that it caused the land to be useless for what they suspect to be for at least 15 years after 3 three harvests. Again maybe this is just like using steroids as it has future side affects, but you never know. These theories went side by side with Israel having WMD, they never denied nor confirmed anything for the longest time, although now they admitted having nuclear weapons The fertilizer was never used in Israel but this fact was hidden from Egypt when it was given to Egypt by Israel. Are you honestly going to say you never heard about it? The minister of Agriculture lost his job over it as he said he had orders from high up to implement this technology with out research as a lucrative deal was implemented immediately.

    You see us the falafel eaters got the raw end of the deal & you know what? It is politically out of our hands. I agree that Sadat was the man even though he was assassinated. He went to Jerusalem & told it like it is. Prime minister Bagen cried at his grave which he visited walking on foot as he was prohibited from riding a car due to his religion, it was the sabbath or something like that. Yes a true man indeed.

    You said you would stand alone no matter what for what you believe. Here on this site you don’t stand alone. SM is known for being the Arab Muslim guy with political ambitions, that believes Israel has the right to exist & supports the Bush administration on foreign policy & to round it off he disagrees with his domestic reform policies.

    I think I may have offended a really good friend from posting here, his name is Tony [Antonio], & YES he is Israeli. He has great respect for Egyptian people but not necessarily the kill Israeli’s mentality. He respects Islam & believes that it is a heavenly religion from God & said that he would even convert to Islam if it was feasible & wouldn’t cause a lot of problems etc. He is one of the coolest people I ever met, even though I have never heard him ridicule Egypt or Israel even once. I told him I wouldn’t either but I guess I messed up, but I couldn’t help it. I hope it some profound way that you understand this & that it is not the end of our friendship.

    I will answer why I want this thread to hit 800 if you tell me what country you live in & how you can converse in a relatively diligent manner in English.

    Why I want this thread to hit 800 is cause a certain someone guessed that it might & we discussed it in a lecture & a few people said that as long is someone is provocative enough in a pleasant way, people will call the dog catchers & the thread would go on & on.

    Most recently, when the posts slowed way the hell down, people lost interest as well as me & we said screw this, because you can’t win against American policy. DONE DEAL. I told Tony that I didn’t mean anything by it & that I just couldn’t stand buy idly while someone says, those damn sand-niggers suck. I mean America is so powerful & so are Jews, as are some Arabs, that are filthy rich. As a matter of fact you may have heard of the University professor that went mental & said that God is reincarnated as America.

    Sadat knew it was the time of America & wanted his people to live in peace, and it finally dawned upon me too, & whatever SM does is fine so long as it isn’t frowned upon by America. & that includes liking Israel- because it does have after all a right to exist, so win points love Israel or at least do not defame it, politely make your point, I guess. Meryt you probably have way more leverage than me politically for this as the fact remains that if you turn a blind eye to a few things, then things actually get done. I guess we all have to do that, to live in relative peace if we can. That doesn’t mean I agree with unborn babies being killed as I imagine no one should, but then why are we? If that happened to an Israeli, I would be sure that at least two towns would be blown off the map. I really hate the double edged sword of hypocrisy that so many of us live by.

    And if you really are Egyptian Meryt, I apologize & if Israel were to attack I guess I wouldn’t slap you I would say “Shoufti ba2a, moosh oultilik? bas ta3ali ahlan wasahlan itfadali” Okay?

    I am surprised that you didn’t ask what blog it was that SM dedicated especially to me? Hint it was late last year & had around 18 comments.

  539. Brooklynjon says:

    Special forces,

    “it is a fact that those who believe in a Jewish homeland believe that homeland consists or stretches from half of Egypt all the way up to Turkestan & as far east as Iraq.”

    This is not true. Might there be some small group of extremists who believe something like this? Who knows. Do most Zionists believe this? Absolutely not. We’d be quite happy with something resembling the 1967 borders if there were actually peace. And not the kind of peace that involves incoming missiles every day. Real peace. We’d probably even be in favor of giving back the Golan if there were reason to believe that Syria wouldn’t use it as a launch pad for attacks on civilians again.

    Really, there’s nothing inherent to Zionism that has any enmity for the surrounding people, just like Arab nationalism isn’t inherently anti-Jewish, right? I, for one, am a Zionist who has nothing against the surrounding Arabs who want to live in peace. Zionism is just the Jewish National movement, and it has nothing to do with expansion or anti-anything. Period.

    bj

  540. “Syria wouldn’t use it as a launch pad for attacks on civilians again.”

    Good luck with that BJ !

    I’m not trying to dis SF, but his beliefs include many of the historical untruths the Arab world has circulated in order to demonize the Jews and Israel. It seems this is the reason SF and the people who believe as he does can’t understand the worlds attitude when it comes to the Pal/Israel situation. When you have complete knowledge of HIV hookers, poisoning farm land, government supported genocide and the rest of the more than questionable propoganda beliefs, it almost makes it almost impossible to see what most of the world see’s as reality. Hate and lies beget more hate and more lies. I’m not familiar with the story SF mentioned about the unfortunate young mother who lost her unborn child, it’s a true tragedy if it happened, but I have difficulty believing it was an intentional act to demoralize and humiliate the Palestinian people. It seems the terrorists who where being hunted or fired against the IDF are not culpable in any way by SF’s description. I’m not blaming SF, the point I’m so feebly trying to make is that when there is a dispute, the truth is usually an additional casualty. I always say there are three sides to every story, my side, your side and then the truth. To the outside world (As Mona proved) some of the conspiracy stories that are believed to be fact by the Palestinians are laughabley seen as what they are, untruths.

    On a secondary note, I saw this in the Washington Post this morning:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/20/AR2007022001267.html

  541. I’m glad you noticed that little piece of misinformation too BJ and had time to comment on it. Whether or not SF will believe you is another story. As Tedders pointed out, SF is familiar with and likes to repeat all sorts of conspiracy theories that he/she must have been indoctrinated with his/her whole life. I can’t be bothered to waste my time arguing with people’s delusions. It’s a monumental task. That is one reason why I don’t comment so much anymore. Take care :)

  542. SF,

    Can you expand on this? I’m not quite sure what you were feeling or trying to express. Thanks

    I’m not so sure this is the appropriate place to share this but it saddened me after reading Teddy’s response as I got to thinking…well I don’t know what I got to thinking but anyways as I said that it saddened me

  543. brooklynjon says:

    Karen,

    I understand. On the other hand, had I been born into SF’s circumstances, I would probably hold similar views, so I do not fault SF for holding them. I do think that there is utility in pointing out those things which may be “common knowledge” in certain quarters that are in fact not true. I’m unfamiliar with the particulars of most of the allegations – which sound bizarre and outlandish to me, no doubt. But since I’m unfamiliar with them, I’m not comfortable commenting on their veracity.

    On the other hand, I know a lot of Zionists. I know some hard-core settlers (though I am not in that group myself). I had a political chat with Meir Kahane in an apartment overlooking the Western Wall. I have never heard of anyone interested in any terrain in any country that would generally be considered Lebanon, Egypt, or Jorday. I have heard plenty of expression about keeping the Golan, but that is principally because of the shelling that Syria used to do from there. And of course, there has been loads of debate over Gaza (which I think not worth having) and the West Bank (where legitimate arguments can be made all around).

    The few zealots who wanted to keep the Sinai were A) few, B) Zealots, and C) ultimately tossed out by none other than Ariel Sharon.

    Truth be told, I think a peace settlement with something close to the 1967 borders is something just about everyone can agree on. The big question is whether the majority on both sides is willing to do what is necessary to restrain the extremist minority. I think the biggest problem is that the Palestinian leadership has been “riding the tiger” of Jew hatred, and the hardest part about riding a tiger is getting off.

  544. SF,

    “Why I want this thread to hit 800 is cause a certain someone guessed that it might & we discussed it in a lecture & a few people said that as long is someone is provocative enough in a pleasant way, people will call the dog catchers & the thread would go on & on.”
    Is this some kind of school project/assignment to keep the discussion & the thread going, or did I misunderstand you? If it is, I will try my best but frankly – time wise- I’m squished in a very tight corner! Could someone else maybe help a bit? Nightfly? Anyway, today has been an extremely rough day, i’m exhausted, so my 2 cents will be quite rusty!

    “Egypt had SHAHAMA when Palestinians were being killed by radical Jews in the late 40’s before either of us were even born I take it”. couldn’t let this one pass, I am not Meryt-Neith of the pre-hyksos first dynasty, so no i was not born yet , but members of my family died in 1948, i know what you’re talking about .

    I had not heard about the Eurovision song . I checked it out at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6405457.stm
    Read it & tell me if you agree with their analysis.I even listened to the song (It’s not that good). My take on the lyrics is limited because I understood only the English & French parts. I have no idea about the Hebrew part. Perhaps someone here who speaks Hebrew can tell us about it? Most of the song was -as far as I can tell- about ‘he’ will push the button, then towards the end it became ‘I’ will push the button. This is extremely alarming. The fallout from Chernobyl reached as far west as France. The deployment of any nuclear weapon by anyone in the Middle East whether it is by Isreal or Iran, would annihilate all. Nuclear bombs have no respect neither for flags nor borders, and are not ‘righteous’. My question is how long will bigots & extremists ON BOTH SIDES, be the ones to call the shots? The ME is awash in paranoid fears stoked by bigots on both sides of the fence. No SF, I think this makes peace even more crucial than ever, before zealotry & mutual paranoia kills all. I agree with brooklynjon that it is time to restrain extremists. This is not defeatism or a sell out, but what exactly has been achieved so far after +/- 60 years of retaliation, violance & counter-violance? It seems we’re only progressing from dynamite, to nukes?! There is a reason why none of the peace treaties’ signatories rescinded these treaties. The alternative is simply unacceptable.

    “this crowd of which I am speaking uses the terms sand-niggers & camel-jockeys have no shame in using such terms.” I would no more condone this kind of language than I would Mona’s vocabulary. There are bigots & racists on both sides . People who reduce everything to simplistic stereotypes are intellectually myopic & incapable of any critical or analytical thinking. In my opinion, such bigotry is a sign of fear & weakness, from anyone coming from whichever side of whichever political/racial/religious fence anywhere in the world. No exceptions.

    “Meryt you probably have way more leverage than me politically for this as the fact remains that if you turn a blind eye to a few things, then things actually get done”.
    You mentioned my having “political leverage”, do you really think that I have enough tact & what it takes to have anything whatsoever to do with politics ? You know, it’s a well known fact that the males of almost all species invest a lot less biologically in their offspring than females. Looking at all the main factions & actors of the ME , & even when I looked at the picture of ‘Teapacks’, they’re all men, actually the whole ME is drowning in testosterone. Any mother would say :” After all that I’ve been through to have & raise this child, will a self- aggrandizing, self-serving zealot just kill him/her “? Maybe it’s the turn of women – mothers- from all sides to have their voices heard above the war & terror cacophony & enforce some common sense on all parties (before you say it), without me, I have no talents, ambition nor patience for all the nya nya & bla bla of politics. It’s just an idea, needless to say, hubby disagrees with me.

    I checked out the Eurosong story, but in order to have anything to say about the desert fertilizer, I must first check it out. Can you give me any reference to the name of the fertilizer, its maker, or provenance; where exactly was it used? I need some more info to research it, otherwise it could be just another conspiracy thing .Give me a clue please.

    “I will answer why I want this thread to hit 800 if you tell me what country you live in & how you can converse in a relatively diligent manner in English”

    DUH ! Why not my full address? Rule number I on the net is Anonymity. No personal info whatsoever. Safety first. However, if you insist, as you said in your post 549, I live in third space station on the right handside ‘wenta tale3′ !
    As for my ‘linguistic abilities’, I went to a language school at the age of 3 . The rest , as I mentioned before, a good dictionary, thesaurus & “Elements of Style”. In my line, one has to write as clearly & precisely as possible. One sure way to get your thesis thrown out of the window is to give your readers a hard time guessing what are you really trying to say. Sorry, no secret ‘cloak & dagger’ here, just I’m a nerd/geek.

    “but even that I meant in reference to the females that return from Sinai talking about how cute the Jewish men are in Dahab etc., saying that they got some action as others say all they did was get drunk with them. They say they are so nice so Israeli must have a right to exist because they are good in bed, I mean Pleaseeeee! I just imagine that heir folks don’t mind until they know that these men are Israeli. Is that ironic or what? No pun intended cause I guess since you are married are not in that category”.

    Really SF, which crowd of people are you hanging around with? These are not peace advocates, these are ‘bimbos’! I am not one of them, & not because of my marital status, but because I never was one, even before I met my husband. Please stop being so sexist.

    Too late, too tired, ’nuff rusty cents!

    Salam

  545. @Meryt:

    The Teapacks song “Push the Button” is a dark satire, like many of Teapacks’ other songs. The song is sung in 3 languages and multiple dialects and accents, including an Arab Hebrew dialect and a Jewish Hebrew dialect, as well as several different musical styles (Klezmer, pop, rap and a harder rock/punk? style). The lyrics are translated here, on the right side:

    http://www.diggiloo.net/?2007il

    The translation is literal, so some of the Hebrew idioms sound weird (e.g. “an escalation in the levels is setting up camp” means something like “things are getting worse, and the change seems like it will last a long time”). Don’t be put off by that.

    The song pokes fun at everyone: terrorists, terror governments, the EU and the US, Israel’s Eurovision songs of the past (“Maybe it’s too late to sing that I gave her my life”), the Israeli government itself and even naive “peace at any price” people. The different languages and musical styles seem to represent different viewpoints: Americans and Europeans, Israeli Arabs and Jews, peaceniks and extremists, those who ignore reality and those who despair, etc. So it’s a complex song. It’s NOT a pretty song, but it’s very interesting.

    What you missed by not understanding the Hebrew was the context of the last shift from “he’s gonna push the button” to “I’m gonna push the button.” Here is how I interpret the last part of the song:

    A world full of demons where we are nothing but pawns
    ["we" probably means the little guys of the world, or possibly Israelis in particular]
    And champions with gambling chips decide the outcome.
    [When world powers play for power or oil in the region, Israelis and Arabs bleed. The outcome is in the hands of the "great powers," who don't care about a few people getting killed in Sderot or Gaza or Kiryat Shmona or Beirut as long as their own interests are advanced.]
    Sluggish management [i.e. Olmert and Israel's neighbors],
    a ship filled with water [i.e. Israel and the whole region]
    And everyone is drinking to good health, and drowning….
    [this is a sarcastic play on words; Kobi also impersonates a drunk, drowning person at this point]

    Maybe it’s too sharp
    [i.e. "Maybe my comments are too harsh."]
    We should sing palm tree songs, desert songs with no flags
    [i.e. "Maybe we should just enjoy the beauty of life & not worry about politics and conflicts and people yelling about 'us' vs. 'them'"]
    I’m still alive, alive, alive
    And if it keeps on being terrifying, only then will I say:
    [I think these lines poke fun at leftists who try to ignore conflict - but if they themselves are forced to live under threat, they suddenly become hawkish. The music becomes wild and the language reverts to English. Kobi Oz turns back toward the camera.]

    I’m gonna push the button, push the button

    On other fronts: SF sounds like a troll. As long as you feed him, he will not go away. He probably has a bet with someone that he can make the thread reach 800, and he is tossing out every offensive, obnoxious thing he can think of to make as many people as possible feel compelled to respond. He won’t stop doing that, and assuming that he is sane and not in need of some medication, he isn’t going to stop being offensive.

    On the internet, try to remember the golden rule: DON’T FEED THE TROLL.

    It would be better to create a discussion forum or a blog somewhere else than to continue to fill up SM’s thread with rude personal insults.

  546. brooklynjon says:

    meryt,

    I write the following at tremendous risk of it being misunderstood.

    Living in Brooklyn, in fact having lived around 1 mile from the World Trade Center at the time of the atrocity, I have done a fair amount of research about nuclear weapons and their effects. I have done this in the interest of protecting my family in the event, G-d forbid, that I have to.

    Anyway, what I have discovered is that, for the most part, the effects of nuclear weapons, while they are terrible, terrible weapons, are often exaggerated in popular media.

    It is true that plumes of fallout can travel long distances, but this is generally at a pretty low level of radiation, and within a pretty narrow arc. (for long distance you need high winds in a steady direction, which doesn’t allow for a whole lot of travel in directions in which the wind is not blowing). The principal effects of the fallout plume are fairly short-lived (on the order of weeks), after which life can resume in a semi-normal manner.

    The radius of blast damage from a nuclear explosion (again, not trying to make light here – just to correct misinformation) is not necessarily THAT great. For instance, a trolley car which was located (IIRC) 580 feet from ground zero in Hiroshima remained on the tracks. A “Daisy Cutter” would be far more powerful, and this is a conventional weapon. True, there are also more powerful weapons, but their “kill radius” (again, not trying to make light) would be measured in a few miles. While I am in no way advocating for anyone to use such weapons, it is not necessarily suicidal (a priori) for a country to use such a weapon against its near neighbors.

    What does make it suicidal is the possibility for the country so attacked to retaliate. This is what has kept the peace between the USA and Russia, and between India and Pakistan for so long. One has to wonder, though, whether mutually assured destruction would work as a deterrent for a group of people willing to die, or for a country in which the people (unwilling to die) do not exercise effective control over the government. Both of these give me the willies about Iran obtaining the bomb. The leaders seem to have a belief in an “end of days” scenario, and seem to not be controlled by the people (who may or may not want to die – the hoardes of volunteers clearing minefields in the Iran-Iraq war come to mind).

    One thing that never seems to be said is that for all the craziness and evil that many people ascribe to Israel, they have eviently had an arsenal of nuclear weapons for some 35 years or so, and they have never used them, despite some potentially tempting circumstances. Don’t get me wrong, I am quite glad that they have been unused. But the fact that they sit there rusting stands to some extent as a counter-example to the Israeli’s purported inhumanity.

    Please do not think me a xenophobic nuclear nut. I am not. I’m just a medical scientist whose done his homework for the sake of protecting his family.

    bj out

  547. From the Wall Street Journal:
    Princeton’s Bernard Lewis writes: “There is a radical difference between the Islamic Republic of Iran and other governments with nuclear weapons. This difference is expressed in what can only be described as the apocalyptic worldview of Iran’s present rulers.”

    “In Islam as in Judaism and Christianity, there are certain beliefs concerning the cosmic struggle at the end of time — Gog and Magog, anti-Christ, Armageddon, and for Shiite Muslims, the long awaited return of the Hidden Imam, ending in the final victory of the forces of good over evil, however these may be defined.”

    President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad “and his followers clearly believe that this time is now, and that the terminal struggle has already begun and is indeed well advanced. It may even have a date, indicated by several references by the Iranian president to giving his final answer to the US about nuclear development by Aug. 22,” which this year corresponds “to the 27th day of the month of Rajab of the year 1427. This, by tradition, is the night when many Muslims commemorate the night flight of the prophet Muhammad on the winged horse Buraq, first to ‘the farthest mosque,’ usually identified with Jerusalem, and then to heaven and back (c.f., Koran XVII.1).

    “This might well be deemed an appropriate date for the apocalyptic ending of Israel and if necessary of the world. It is far from certain that Mr. Ahmadinejad plans any such cataclysmic events precisely for Aug. 22. But it would be wise to bear the possibility in mind.”

    From other sources:
    The 12th Imam theory plays heavily into the world’s current concerns with Iran. The President of Iran, Ahmadinejad, is deeply committed to the Islamic Messiah, al Mahdi. There have been many through the years claiming to be the Hidden Imam but Ahmadinejad believes he is yet to come. He claims that he is to personally prepare the world for the coming Mahdi. In order to save the world, it must be in a state of chaos and subjugation. Ahmadinejad claims he was “directed by Allah to pave the way for the glorious appearance of the Mahdi”. This apocalyptic directive includes some very scary proclamations. While Christians look for Jesus’ 2nd coming, the Jews await the Messiah and Muslims await the 12th Imam. However, of the three, Allah’s designated Mahdi is the only one who demands a violent path to conquer the world. Mr. Ahmadinejad, and his cabinet, say they have a ‘signed contract’ with al Mahdi in which they pledge themselves to his work. What does this work involve? In light of concerns over Iran’s nuclear capabilities, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has reportedly stated Israel should be wiped off the map. He spoke to the United Nations in September ’05. During that speech he claims to have been in an aura of light and felt a change in the atmosphere during which time no one present could blink their eyes. Iran’s PM is also said to have spoken in apocalyptic terms and seems to relish conflict with the West whom he calls the Great Satan. This is while he proclaims he must prepare the world for the coming Mahdi by way of a world totally under Muslim control. He is working hard to bring about the world-wide horrors that must be in place for their al Mahdi to bring peace.

    It’s a pretty scary scenario, one that Pelosi, Murtha and Ried seem oblivious to. Do we want Hillary or Obama in charge when the nutjob in Iran goes nuclear? 2008 is going to be a very important year in world history. This is one of many reasons the US and Europe need a missle shield.

  548. Aref Mazkour says:

    Is it just me, or is the Sand Monkey the dorkiest sounding geek in the Universe :) For Egyptians, Kabansh is the best word I can think of.

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/files/Sandmonkey43007.mp3

    The dude is Egebshan to the bone, complete with the funky accent. More strength to him though,

  549. special forces says:

    @ meryt, Bj, Tedders & even Zvi

    I’ll try to cut this short although every time I try I end up with 10 paragraph’s or more…

    Due to the fact that I won’t have a lot of time to post here in the next few week’s I will try my best to be as pleasant as I can & leave you with something that can be mentally masticated. I will look forward to reading comment’s upon returning one day.

    Although we started off disagreeing on a lot of things, it was good to read the very different opinions lingering around this section alone.

    I am fairly pleased with the new tone that has come into existence which proves to me that there are some relatively intellectually blessed people here, people that have some not so bad assurances as well as hopes. Unlike Zvi who misconstrued a few things, no doubt feels that you are wasting your time & are consorting with the enemy, but you can read my reply to him below.

    In the most part people that I thought were raging lunatics here are now portraying themselves to be well balanced individuals, who may in fact want peace, with all the topics brought up such as 67 borders, Golan being returned if peace could be guaranteed etc.

    Yes I know it is pretty sick to a people that may actually want to live in peace when Palestinians are firing rockets daily into Israel, but then again for every rocket fired there are about just as many insurgents [freedom fighters] whatever you want to call them, that are killed when they are not busy killing each other. It is also frustrating when after years of having most of your country occupied after a resolution was passed that you didn’t vote for & your people have been killed & some one throws it in your face & wants you to accept it or else you are branded a butt hole. It is not that simple as I feel that Israel has no love for the Palestinians because therefore fathers didn’t & they don’t want to disown their legacy.

    Arabs also in a big part don’t have that much love for Palistinains either, not surprising at all. It pisses me off when Iran is trying to interfere, what Iran fails to see is that the Arab world doesn’t take it kindly, it’s interference. It’s like rubbing it in the faces of all Arabs that since you guy’s forgot your brothers, we haven’t & we are going to do something about that.

    Meryt, then Bj

    No, I am sorry I don’t know the name of the fertilizer but you automatically answered my question that you are not living Egypt.

    Regarding the crowd I hang around, do you still think I am a radical religion, mullah, harem supporter etc?

    I could copy paste a lot of stuff word for word like you have my words but that would not paint such a pretty picture for you as an Egyptian patriot & would no doubt be misconstrued. So I will be objective & try to remember that you were making your point that hatred to Israel should not be tolerated because we will only get our asses kicked.

    Although I apologized for my language I still am steadfast on a lot of issues . It has been interesting seeing how different groups have different opinions but one thing stays the same that people don’t really take it kindly if you disagree with too many points but it wasn’t so bad at the end.

    Your first comment on this thread was when Mona started causing problems by feeling that her language was justified in carrying out her arguments.

    A question to you Meryt: would you mind shooting a Palestinian in the head if he gave you what you thought was reason to, if he were a trouble maker & would cause harm to Egypt. I wouldn’t shoot the same Palestinian nor a 10X worse Israeli for the mere fact that I do not serve any government that would have any stake in doing so. Unless I was in the theater of war & I had orders to do so.

    Which branch am I affiliated with or with which country do I serve? I am not at liberty to say. Although I don’t really know what i am doing here, I am not stupid & have a propensity for misdirection. The same type of safety measures practiced by you Meryt. That reminded me of that movie you’ve got mail!

    Someone said that if they had been born in my circumstances they would probably hold similar views, I think that it was bj. Unlike Meryt who feels the need to stay completely anonymous I won’t mind clearing up a few things.

    I am 100% American born & bred, in Baltimore Maryland, to an American father of half Egyptian dissent, my mother is a southern corn bread fed farm girl from Indiana also of Egyptian origin & we are proud of it as she openly jokes about it. I have Jewish neighbors, Jewish friends, was in the first Gulf war & yes took hostile enemy lives, I went to public school in my early years then to private school in the later years. The name of one of these later school’s is; Fork Union Military Academy- Google it. Military boarding school with a strong emphasis on a Baptist education with it’s one subject plan & also something called OBE which stands for obedience before Education.

    Do you think I am saying too much, do you see where I am going with this?

    These facts alone should be enough for any learned person to not accuse me of having an anti Israeli El Qaeda mentality, I mean that in a very respectful way as I am sure you have no way of knowing this information. I am readily making available to you before you made such assumptions. Only recently, have I started visiting Egypt for long intervals & partially residing there, okay?

    I am not trying to go with the flow either with the masses in Egypt or Arabs abroad. So the reference that I am poisoned as the typical victim whose brain has been washed by growing up in the Mullah’s land is so far from the truth. No I won’t leave my zip code or address or name.

    Just a note, it would be hard to find Tony, one of the only 72 Israel’s living in Egypt [that's privileged information by the way] & ask him who I am, as he is the only one that knows me, if anyone really finds it pertinent that they find me & try to slit my throat or whatever.

    Zvi {ta3lali b2a ya habibi}
    A radical element no doubt you are Zvi- who accused me of making rude personal remarks. If he had cared to look, then he would have known this was a one time case, for which I apologized to the person it was directly made to & to the best of my knowledge that person was more kind enough to forgive me & open positive dialogue with me. This long before I even left the post to try & leave comments beyond 800.

    If I am a troll & you want me to go away then I suggest you look up that word because I will just say poor you, cuz I am here to stay. Since you are an expert on the tea bags, then yes it is an interesting song & why don’t YOU push the button yourself man, if you can get to it, if you really feel that this would be in the best interest of your people & the middle east, but you no doubt live far away. However if you live with in the ME then I presume that most people here would agree with me that you are somewhat of an idiot if you would want to push it, no offense. Very forgiving you are indeed. Thanks for the reality check & the reminder of the prevalent mentalities that exist everywhere especially in the ME, very sobering.

    Tedders, you asked-

    “Can you expand on this? I’m not quite sure what you were feeling or trying to express. Thanks.

    I’m not so sure this is the appropriate place to share this but it saddened me after reading Teddy’s response as I got to thinking…well I don’t know what I got to thinking but anyways as I said that it saddened me”

    Well, after reading your response I got to thinking objectively because for once you had something positive to say & added to the fact that you were the first one to respect the fact that I was not Mona etc etc as I started hallucinating seeing white doves flying around for just half a second until I read that tragic account of the unborn baby’s demise. That’s what saddened me, then I realised I’m passionate because I have seen a lot of bloodshed just DON’T AGREE that Israel is doing all they can to minimize casualties meaning I am against bloodshed. Then I asked myself what it is that you or anyone more or less pro Israeli is passionate about? No matter what it is, I felt that you can’t really compare their “Please do not kill me” with the “You started it plus God & the U.N. said we should have it plus we wear Tommy Hilfiger” You see that’s what it sounds like. I am not comfortable even typing it out.

    I really don’t care for consequences if I were to turn pro_Israeli just as I don’t care about the consequences for expressing anything I have here. I am sure that neither the Israeli, Egyptian nor American governments would be either amused or even concerned in the slightest way.

    People are entitled to their opinions but rest assured that the governments of the volatile ME have things well under control. Why because they are strong & weathered & don’t let radical element’s phase them. Imagine the Palestinians got their acts together & did the same? I don’t think anyone would be having this conversation.

  550. It is past 2 in the morning, my 2 cents will be even rustier than before.
    Just a few quick lines:
    @Zvi,
    Thanks for the translation, reading the whole text makes it more understandable. However,I still find the last stanza very unsettling.
    “It would be better to create a discussion forum or a blog somewhere else than to continue to fill up SM’s thread with rude personal insults.” The creation of forums or blogs is not for me, I’ve already ventured far beyond my normal scope of activity. What do you mean by ‘filling SM’s thread with insults? I’m not aware of I targeted any person with rude insults .

    BJ,
    There are numerous court cases in France, people suing the previous French administration for its failure to adequately warn citizens of the Chernobyl fallout, to which they are attributing cases of cancer etc. If a nuclear blast takes place in the ME, even if the radiation level is low & the arc narrow, the political, social, & plain nutty zany fallout will be tremendous. Whatever vestige of common sense is present now ,will be totally engulfed by extremists’ cries for revenge, from both sides. “they have eviently had an arsenal of nuclear weapons for some 35 years or so, and they have never used them,” and this is what made that last stanza chilling. It will now feed more suspicions, insecurities..etc, it will be seen as a sign of a new emerging trend in Isreal. frankly, I dont see any good purpose being served here.

    Tedders,
    i do not believe that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a person who commands a lot of respect, or has a lot of credibility in the ME. That does not make him any less of a loose canon. However, Sunni Islam does not share the belief in the 12th Mehdi, that might be an incentive to other countries in the area to counteract his threat. we are sitting on a powder keg . All the more reason for everyone to get all extremists off the tiger’s back like BJ said.

  551. SF,

    Just when I thought I can call it a night (morning now)…Ok briefly, I will try to avoid the copy & paste thing but it saves a lot of time & typing! If after all that you can still summerize my point as ONLY “hatered to Isreal will not be tolerated because we’ll get…” , you are infurating because you hear but do not listen! My points were,
    I do not believe in prejudice & lumping people in an over simplified stereotype.
    I do not believe in the perpetual vicious circle of violance & retaliation.
    I believe that only citizens of a country have a right to speak out in its name. I believe Egypt has done more than its fair share for the palestinians, it’s time to take care of Egyptians.
    People have the right to dissent, hold views which are not politically correct , or which do not conform with the louder majority without being called traitors & spies.
    Conspiracy theories which are baseless or unproven weaken any society, they are also an affront to anyone’s intelligence.
    I DETEST foul language, tantrums, intimidation & melodramas.
    NO SF I will never , under any circumstances, kill or shed blood, anyone’s & for any reason.
    I do not know about the mullah Qaeda thing but your choice of questions you asked me before & the link you persistently make between a woman’s marital status & her morality is CHAUVANIST & SEXIST, objectionable & unacceptable. How can you justify your assumption that a woman is incapable of having moral standards unless she’s married , or have enough brains to make a decision about peace without having to go to bed with an Isreali? I did not see you make any similar statements about men going to Sharm …etc etc. WHY?

    Finally, yes SF the governments of the ME are strong & do not let extremists phase them, that’s why they didn’t rescind the peace treaty despite the loud litanies & cacophonies coming from the volatile “monas-esque” voices; Because they know that peace is the only acceptable alternative. Why then were you asking for SM’s head ?

    You say your parents are of Egyptian origin, maybe they should have warned you never anger a sleep-deprived Upper Egyptian. I’m going before I explode!

  552. @Meryt 594:

    Sorry, I didn’t intend to accuse you of launching personal insults. You didn’t do so, even after the most obnoxious personal insults were written against you. My comment – which should have been much more clearly phrased – referred to those who HAVE been insulting others here. My deep apologies for any distress caused.

    Regarding creating forum or blog – I hear you. I’ve created several, but I’m usually just too busy to devote the time required.

    Regarding the last stanza of the song – it is unsettling and it is worth thinking about. There are many responses to constant insane threats; sometimes people manage to ignore them, but sometimes they suddenly snap and turn violent. That happens among the ordinary people on all sides, with tragic results.

    It’s a good reason for states and institutions to seek peace rather than trying to whipping up insane hatred.

    Glad I could help.

  553. SF said:
    “as I started hallucinating seeing white doves flying around for just half a second”

    Too funny, in a good way. I think you’ve done more good for your position in just a few lines than Mona will do in her whole life (Mona does nothing but harm to her credibility and position).

    “just DON’T AGREE that Israel is doing all they can to minimize casualties meaning I am against bloodshed.”

    I’ll agree with you there but the fact remains that the Israeli government DOES NOT go out of it’s way to whip up frothing hatred with the media aimed at the most uneducated and most vunerable (Hamas does, even targets their children which is unfathomable for me). Israelis act as a semi cohesive unit and can control themselves (no doubt there are extremists Israelis too). The PA on the other hand not only can’t stop the nutcases from raining down rockets on Israeli citizens (during a Hamas agreed ceasefire), they can’t even stop them from shooting up each other (many many more nutcases in my opinion). I absolutely understand your outrage at the death of an unborn and innocent child but where is your outrage at the Hamas murderers going around shooting Palis in the head? Did all the Pals that were killed in the last round of Hamas vs. Fatah deserve to be killed? The families that now have a father, brother or child that is dead not because of a bullet that landed 100′s of meters away and found an unintended victim but bullets that were fired at individuals that were intended to be murdered, where is your sense of outrage for them? They far far outnumber the accidental victims. When those same murderers hide in a populated area, hiding among women and children (as a coward does) and innocent civilians get caught in the crossfire, where is your outrage? If you want to be objective you can’t have your rage against wrongs one sided. I think the ME Arab governments could do alot more for their people and stopping the “It’s all those damn Jews fault” hyperbole would be a good start. Again I’m not saying it’s just as simple as that, it’s not. I also don’t want you to think I’m coming down on you or lecturing you, I’m just discussing these issues with you as we all are.

    I’ve got to deliver my boys to school so I’d better cut this short. SF I’m impressed that you’re accepting viewpoints you don’t completely agree with, It makes me more willing to understand your position and feelings (funny how that works!) there is still a long way to go before spontaneous peace breaks out in the ME but this type of discussion can do nothing but good, however slight.

  554. brooklynjon says:

    SF,

    I agree that Israel does not do everything possible to minimize civilian casualties. However, I believe that the Palestinians, in complaining about this, are being a tad disingenuous.

    The fighters on the Palestinian side have no regard for civilians on either side. They deliberately target Israeli civilians (for which there is widespread support among Palestinians). At the same time, they launch their attacks from positions near Palestinian civilians, knowing full well that the return fire will place civilians at risk.

    The Palestinian civilians themselves are often (though certainly not always) willing human shields. Palestinian adults frequently send their children out to confront soldiers, often in the accompaniment of gunmen who, again, know that the return fire is more likely to kill a child than an armed combatant. Palestinian civilians allow fighters to launch missiles from their homes and from crowded urban areas, in the interest that the missile may strike an Israeli civilian target.

    Then of course there is the culture of violence, the glorification of killing innocents, the posters commemmorating those who took their own lives for the purposes of blowing up a restaurant or a disco.

    I absolutely agree that there has been terrible pain and suffering on both sides. I absolutely agree that there is more that Israel can do to reduce the suffering of those Palestinian civilians who are innocent fellow-travellers. However, I feel that in castigating only Israel, you are missing the bigger issue, which is the unremitting violence and xenophobia of Palestinian society, and its seeming willingness to sacrifice its young for the sake of propaganda victories.

  555. Well said BJ, as Golda Meir said: “We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”

  556. special forces says:

    bj, tedders-THANX!! I do believe “I also said that about the Palestinians, that they are being killed by Israeli’s when THEY ARE NOT BUSY KILLING ONE ANOTHER.” Bj, let me ask you if you were to stab yourself is it the same as someone stabbing you? will you get a visit at Brookdale or Hudson valley Hospitals from police officers from the 63 –70 precincts, asking you if you could describe the assailant & whether or not you would press charges? Ofcourse it is not the same, as the outrage expressed at the violence committed against Pali’s from entities other than themselves, is not the same.

    When someone kills one of us Americans there is outrage as there should be, yet when gang members kill each other in drive by’s at street corners, people just shake their heads.

    I do understand however the fact that you guys are trying to make? Yet you must agree I did point out that what the Pal’s are doing is unacceptable, yet that doesn’t mean if I find homosexuality unacceptable & go gay bashing because they spread HIV? Israel is Pali-bashing the hell out of the Palestinians. Even though they only have a small stretch of land that used to be Egypt’s [Gaza: was under Egyptian control]that is no bigger than my mother’s dinning room table. The Egyptian government said we don’t even want it anymore, it has always housed Palestinians, let them have it, we don’t need the problems as it is time that Egypt does something for Egyptians as Meryt said.

    Thank you for agreeing with me that you feel that Israel could do a lot more in lessening civilian casualties.

    Okay, Ms. Meryt {Mrs.}

    Beautifully said.

    Honestly now, in the back of your mind, & it is my assumption that it is not too far back- you still are not really sure about whether or not I am Mona or not, honestly? The part about “I believe that only citizens of a country have a right to speak out in its name.” If not, then why did you bring it up? It sounds like you were trying to clarify your position on your previous post to Mona, while you were although you were obviously posting back to me?

    Before you answer I would like you to know that I am not sexist at all. It just surprised me how I overlooked the fact that you were Egyptian. I am sorry but I don’t know of even one girl, female, lady, that lives in Egypt that is even remotely as affectionate as you are against having blind hate for Israel.

    Admit it we both got off on the wrong foot because you were going after Mona & at the time I was the only one that hung around that seemed to be even remotely on her side, which I already admitted was a misconception & that you couldn’t possibly be Egyptian. That’s why I continued to ask you, do you live in Egypt? Do you live in Egypt? Do you live in Egypt? The only females that think like that are for the most part sluts who just say they are struggling socially. Hence the so called AUC cuties at the anti harassment rally that weren’t all sluts, although there were a lot of them there. Even they wouldn’t condone expressing such celestial views as yourself, whether or not these views are true & right on the money or not. Speaking of money & 2 cents,
    you don’t live in Egypt or at least haven’t lived there all your life. You don’t pick up terms like “Here’s my two cents” at CAC, AUC, BISC, Victoria College, manor house etc no matter how long you attended or whatever. Yes you may be radically nuevo indeed but my reference that you are married was just an attempt to make peace with you as being married has absolutely no bearing in my mind whether you are virtuous or not.

    Anyways we have come a long way from mocking one another’s grammar, spelling, punctuation, vocabulary & English etc.

    Are you the same Meryt on Flicker, if not then please forgive me & spare me the witty critique.

    On the lighter side, since you are a ancient Egypt fan, what do you feel about someone finding ancient Egyptian artifacts on his land, that has been in his family for generations & taking them out of Egypt, although it is prohibited by Egyptian law. The person I am phrasing in this question found a few in upper Egypt & sold them in France & received no less than 5 million U.S.$ a piece & that was back in the 90′s. I don’t see this fellow much anymore as he migrated to Australia, now his folks live in the one of the biggest homes around al Menia & al Menia has some pretty big homes to start off with.
    Now the government seized the land as well as the surrounding area, compensated the inhabitants & is forecasting finding as many as 40 tombs undiscovered tombs.

    I think he deserves to keep them or at least half, but wit Egyptian bureaucracy that could take him 35 yeqrs to get any money. It’s like finding oil on your land. It’s your land so it’s your oil. ever watch the Beverly Hill Billies?

  557. brooklynjon says:

    SF,

    There’s plenty of bad behavior all around. I think the most important thing to consider is how the people of the ME get out of this mess. I would suggest that a terrific place to start is for all sides to stop inciting hatred.

    Incidentally, I don’t think the self-stab versus someone-else-stab analogy works very well. It’s more like the difference between a holdup and domestic violence. For years, the police tolerated domestic violence in a way that they did not tolerate violence directed at strangers. We now know that it is wrong.

    Those who vary their outrage for the victim depending on the assailant are not demonstrating their empathy for the victims, but rather their hatred for some – but not all – of the assailants. It’s not about love of the Palestinians. It’s about hatred of the Israelis (Jews, really), and the Palestinians are merely socially acceptible vehicles for expressing that hatred.

  558. special forces says:

    Bj, you are Jewish & I take it that you are a good Jew, not one caught up in radicalism etc. but that doesn’t mean that everyone in Israel is the same. Especially when the governments press fear in the hearts of the populace. It is the leaders that do this in order to be in a position of strength, in order to be able to protect Israel from it’s foes, playing on the legacy of the great founders of Israel of 1948 as well as it’s fallen & past war hero’s that lives on in the hearts of good Jews living there. The minute the most laid back Jews just sits & watches his brothers being slaughtered, he is no longer a good Jew anymore.

    To categorize & say : “It’s about hatred of the Israelis (Jews, really), and the Palestinians are merely socially acceptable vehicles for expressing that hatred.” Is wrong, just as you have stereotyped in this statement, it can also be considered an understatement at times as well. I mean you are not totally wrong. Don’t throw stones when lol you have real tear gas, rubber bullets & a cutting edge air force- sorry just my poor attempt at humor.

    What I mean to say is we all need a break. I stated in my last posts my anger at how Israel, in it’s fury completely over does it a little. Come on man we reached a milestone together, don’t let that go to waste.

    I mean there is all out war between the two of them, it’s no wonder that atrocities are taking place on both sides.

    I think it’s great that you went to go train & volunteer in Israel. Just imagine if there was a capitol Christian or Muslim state, imagine the support it would rally from the likes of individuals of each faith. Regardless of the fact that there was a little terrorism involved as well as genocide to implement this state, after the inhabitant’s living there at the time stooped so low & started the terrorism. Regardless, the state would still have great support from it’s respective faith’s. PLEASE DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND ME, I AM NOT SAYING THAT ISRAEL IS A FARCE OR A PSUEDO-JEWISH STATE! Many states in history have done far worse things, no pain no gain right? Although that’s what the whole fuss is all about, if you analyze the hatred towards the great state of Israel. I for one know that Israel has done plenty of good, ok.

    There could be years of peace & all it would take is a small derogatory comment & things could really get out of hand all over again. If history is any indication of what the future has in store [apocalypse theories out the door] then we should be looking at about 400 years till any partly stable peace arises. Unless BOTH sides go out of their way & show that they are really tired of the blood shed & that they do love their kids as much as their enemy does.

    Meryt, if it was you then thanks for clarifying that Sunni’s [orthodox] don’t believe in the 12 Imam’s theory as a matter of fact most Sunni scholars don’t even know what in Allah’s name they are referring to by a 12th Imam. Who are the prior 11, anyone care to guess?

  559. SF,

    Is your name Alec by any chance? I ‘m growing really weary with all your innuendo games. This is the last time I will respond to your posts. I will not waste any more time on repeated clarifications of the same old argument & re-inventing the wheel every evening.

    You had said :”So I will be objective & try to remember that you were making your point that hatred to Israel should not be tolerated because we will only get our asses kicked”. Apparently you were trying to portray me as a “defeatist” etc etc., so I felt I had to repeat a summary of all the points I was trying to make from the very first post on this thread wether responding to you or others. Tiresome!

    I hate to bring it up again, but it is really difficult to understand you sometimes, especially when you’re trying to play word games & camouflage poison in witty phrases. “I am sorry but I don’t know of even one girl, female, lady, that lives in Egypt that is even remotely as affectionate as you are against having blind hate for Israel.” Let’s say that the key word is “blind”. Blind love, or blind hate, are just that BLIND, which means unfounded & baseless, emotions that exist despite evidence to the contrary; i.e. you love or hate a person whether that person deserves that feeling or not. Was that the position you are trying to defend or the position you’re actually taking? Unlike proponents of blind hate, I prefer to keep my eyes & mind open & assess situations as objectively as I can. I never said that I agree with all Israel’s policies etc, I do not. However, “hating Isreal blindly” or hating any group of people who have wronged you blindly, shifts the onus of blame from them to you. You should hate actions, policies, but not people. Once you hate people as a group, you become the person who is driven by emotional illogical responses, knee-jerk reactions. Dont you think that it is better to take a stand based on reason than just give in to the herd instinct & go with the flow? I prefer to think than to put my brain on ‘automatic pilot’. Instead of hollering “I hate Isreal” & coming out as a total light weight, open your eyes & percieve the political realities you are facing & differentiate between people & policies,perhaps arriving to more solid equitable solution at a lower cost of life . This is why our government, like you said, did not turn its back on peace with Isreal. Did you hear Mubarak chanting your favorite slogan, or had he just met Olmert? Hatered is always a destructive emotion & a total dead end. Also, the world does not bother to listen to enraged people, red in the face with hatered & anger. Mona didn’t get many sympathizers, did she? Better have your feet firmly on the ground, your eyes open & your wits around you than foam in the mouth & get a fit of ‘righteous’ hatered (this is an oxymoron). Tell me how many ‘girls, females, ladies’ do you know? a dozen, hundred, thousand? If ,within your milieu, you have not met another who shares my opinion, then …what? cloak & dagger? or will you just take my word that I’m not a PC sheep?

    “The only females that think like that are for the most part sluts who just say they are struggling socially. Hence the so called AUC cuties at the anti harassment rally that weren’t all sluts, although there were a lot of them there”. Your poison dart turned on you here. And the males who ‘think like that’ are what ? According to you anyone who likes to see Egypt being built up for its children, instead of its development being constantly aborted by & for those who cannot stop shedding blood, anyone who is for peace must be immoral ? You say that you are not sexist & you invoke SHAHAMA, yet you make a comment like the above about the eid events? Is this all that you have to say about such a degrading calamity? Maybe the sleaze of the ‘cuties’ is in the eyes of the beholder only. Are you the kind of person who would blame the victim for being harrassed?

    As for where do I live, this is something that has no bearing on the issue & concerns only me. It is irritating that you rarely address the subject matter, instead you only have this annoying curiosity about me.

    “you don’t live in Egypt or at least haven’t lived there all your life. You don’t pick up terms like “Here’s my two cents” at CAC, AUC, BISC, Victoria College, manor house etc no matter how long you attended or whatever” . . You say you were born & bred in the USA, so you are not really an authority about the terms we can pick up from any of these schools – since you didn’t attend any of these schools. But I assume according to you, you are the all knowing authority; you even know all students & alumni of language schools & universities from Heliopolis to Alexandria..all during your “visits” to Egypt. Nice to know that you keep such a fully packed social agenda.
    “Yes you may be radically nuevo indeed but my reference that you are married was just an attempt to make peace with you as being married has absolutely no bearing in my mind whether you are virtuous or not” Regardless of my being radically nuevo or radically viejo ,you have also royally bungled your peace attempts. You only proved yourself to be SEXIST . You didn’t really get my point, did you? Explaining why would be an excercise in futility, read my previous posts, if it’s needed

    I have not copyrighted the name Meryt, so the answer is NO, no flickers.

    Your choice of ‘anecdote’ is crude indeed. Smuggling is illegal, I am a law abiding citizen. A primary school student will tell you that artefacts which are removed from their site by robbers are a big loss for science. A lot of data is irretrievably lost if the artefact is not studied in situ & in context. To sum up, I am not from Menya or Australia, or whatever you were trying to play sneaky about. your insistance on asking & seeking personal info can only mean you are either : a morbidly curious person or what? I wonder if asking probing questions is a profession for you.

    My parting “gift” is this University of Georgia site : http://www.uga.edu/islam/shiism.html you can find answers there.

    Dont bother replying because you have finally pushed me beyond the utmost limits of patience, I will no longer post anything here. Think what you want, believe what you want, just dont waste anymore of my time.

  560. special forces says:

    @ Meryt’s subversive commentary.

    Just to set the record straight, anyone interested can invest the time in judging themselves, since all of her comments are above. One can use the find function on their browser to read all her comments to confirm that I have displayed the epitome of balance, tolerance, assessment & even reversal of some of my views.
    Maglis el kowmi lil mar2a
    Tushay Meryt, NOT! Not that I expect you to read this, since you said you wont be reading or replying to anything I write. It’s obvious we have different opinions about a lot of things, although I have apologized for many things, unlike you, ms. righteous & politically correct- who never even brought up the subject of your continual accusations & insinuations that I am Mona, let alone an apology. You only seem to be discontented & rather pissed off when I bring up her name. Nice going, diplomat, however I won’t make the same mistake twice & apologize for sounding sexist, concerning the remarks about how I view a lot of females like yourself that have no place in politics, as the ones I described at the anti harassment rally. if that is how you comprehended it you anti chauvinist pitbull you & your further attempt at belittling my character.

    I stand fast by my remarks of the less weathered females in Egypt that blindly choose to jump into the pick & roll & emulate American persona. My opinion is that they look ridiculous, tastes are learned not copied. Don’t mistake my apology for weakness, you fool me once & shame on you, you fool me twice then shame on me.

    Where you are situated geographically has everything to do with the views held in Egypt. This blog was set up precisely to address this topic, freedom of speech & democracy in Egypt.

    Lived in Egypt for a few years & am very familiar with all the language schools there because I actually attended them, as I am familiar with the Synagogue on Talaat Harb or is it Adley, Ding, ding, ding- ring a bell?? You have no clue who you are talking to still. Hint….^ Not that you know me or have ever heard of me but I am someone that is increasingly advocated on this site. Too bad lazy you, ya should have checked the blog dedicated to me, but that’s in the past now, too late!

    I am overlooking one thing very very severe, I was till talking to you even after you thought I was referring to you as the non profit organisation called Memryt. What is wrong with me, you continue to out do yourself, by again insinuating that I am making a reference to you being from Menia & having ties in Australia. Sheesh & to think that you accused ‘me’ of being over exposed for the oddest reason.

    The question of where you live & voice your opinion from & where you were raised might of had some bearing of how you were able to overcome the prejudice of blindly following Arab propaganda. Naeam lifgosh otach- it has been a pleasure, but be proud of who you are. Me’eifo at , Bat kama at ?

    The simple fact that you are not content with me putting all your ridiculous assumptions behind me & saying for your benefit of doubt that Egypt has had enough of war & doesn’t like to have it’s butt beaten, even though it did in the last war what no other nation has even dreamt of to Israel, should be fact enough that communicating with you is hopeless. That doesn’t mean if we were many times stronger than Israel, Egypt would continue in the direction of belligerence. Egypt has everything to gain from peace & ingratiating itself with America & Israel. What exactly is it that you are missing woman? Jeesh, I want ask what is wrong with you & if you are pms’ing because you no doubt would have replied with a six graph essay of what sexism is in comparison to the fodder that grows on trees in the monasteries of celibate monks in the sub-Himalayan mountains & how my sexist reference has obtruded itself within a peace process almost reached in the middle east, lest the comment. Yipes!

    Thank you for the permission to have my own opinion, no one will be asking you to assess anything [like you obviously didn't assess your tone, as reminiscent of having some kind of a nemesis towards me- I must remind you of some jerk in college & the over exposure you contracted in the process].

    Did you want to know the reason behind discussing this blog in our lecture, it was to prove that actions speak louder than words & that people will put in time & effort already spent in keeping an argument strong as long as it was already winning. Not that you would understand what our point was. In any case I took a personal interest in this blog from day one & am satisfied that it has served it’s purpose, to let people experience the different perspectives & be amused while doing so.

    I’m sorry I didn’t amuse you because you amused me with your nightly expose & rambles. You are blogging like a true bak bak bak. Yeah Nightfly hello Mona’s. Why not cut to the chase & say it, Bevakasha!!!

    Yes to Jews, maybe or most probably yes to Israel. Yes to Christianity. Yes to Islam. Yes to Peace in the ME, No to terrorism, No to hypocrits, capiche!

  561. What about I make matzo ball soup (all Kosher BJ don’t worry), malfouf, and fetta and we all get together to eat and discuss politics. A face to face discussion will be interesting.

  562. special forces says:

    Blogging with Meryt,

    With no merit & to no avail, definition?: The supreme state in which a person manages to ignore direct attacks on her or his character and convictions as well as belief system, regardless of the environmental constituency in which these attacks are carried out.

    Whilst continuing to propel oneself forward in this section, amidst assumed positions of dignitary honor as well as assumed wisdom & elite sanity of those more learned as the penchant as maternal distaff adjoined in connubial, hence voicing their ongoing worldly cry for their incumbent return, return to Babylon, that is yearned so badly that it’s yearning can be voiciferously heard with intricacies, adornments & hyperbole’s of pseudo-spiritualism well into it’s eruption.

    Bearing heavily upon many as I proceed cautiously through my journey & leave my uncovered words, unheard words & lay them for the feeding frenzy of those who can neither comprehend their meaning or true intent. The intent is clear, blatant sub-servitude in the form of a covert network of affiliates just as renowned as the prior- the bearers of the ancient scripts, the most ancient, the language of the slaves. To surface & to resurface as the clandestine do & shall continue to do.

    A world without mystery i snot a world.

    A world without Judah is not a world.

    A world without Christ is not a world.

    A world without Islam is not a world.

    A world without bigots is not a world.

    A world without bloodshed is not a world.

    A WORLD WITHOUT HOPE IS NOT A WORLD!

    Words of
    -Special Forces- from Quantico to Qairo!

  563. SF say:

    “Whilst continuing to propel oneself forward in this section, amidst assumed positions of dignitary honor as well as assumed wisdom & elite sanity of those more learned as the penchant as maternal distaff adjoined in connubial, hence voicing their ongoing worldly cry for their incumbent return, return to Babylon, that is yearned so badly that it’s yearning can be voiciferously heard with intricacies, adornments & hyperbole’s of pseudo-spiritualism well into it’s eruption.”

    Tedders says, say what?

    ” mystery i snot a world.”
    Teeheehee, you said snot!!

    Peace be upon you Special Forces

  564. special forces says:

    Ahaaaa, I did…someone pass me a tissue please. oh yipes let me repost that for mery, wouldn’t want her to catch that now since it’s my sign off to her. Thanks for the well wishes though!

    I think I found an artifact, hurray…I’m serious!

  565. special forces says:

    Blogging with Meryt,

    With no merit & to no avail, definition?: The supreme state in which a person manages to ignore direct attacks on her or his character and convictions as well as belief system, regardless of the environmental constituency in which these attacks are carried out.

    Whilst continuing to propel oneself forward in this section, amidst assumed positions of dignitary honor as well as assumed wisdom & elite sanity of those more learned as the penchant as maternal distaff adjoined in connubial, hence voicing their ongoing worldly cry for their incumbent return, return to Babylon, that is yearned so badly that it’s yearning can be voiciferously heard with intricacies, adornments & hyperbole’s of pseudo-spiritualism well into it’s eruption.

    Bearing heavily upon many as I proceed cautiously through my journey & leave my uncovered words, unheard words & lay them for the feeding frenzy of those who can neither comprehend their meaning or true intent. The intent is clear, blatant sub-servitude in the form of a covert network of affiliates just as renowned as the prior- the bearers of the ancient scripts, the most ancient, the language of the slaves. To surface & to resurface as the clandestine do & shall continue to do.

    A world without mystery is not a world.

    A world without Judah is not a world.

    A world without Christ is not a world.

    A world without Islam is not a world.

    A world without bigots is not a world.

    A world without bloodshed is not a world.

    A WORLD WITHOUT HOPE IS NOT A WORLD!

    Words of
    -Special Forces- from Quantico to Qairo!

  566. Oh let me add to your fun list SF

    A world without Justice and Palestine is not a world :)

  567. Guys, please have respect for the closed blog and refrain from commenting any furtyer. Thanks! SM.

  568. special forces says:

    Okay , respect- but I would just like to point something out, that this thread has been the most controversial since your blogs indoctrination. Look not that it is a competition but it is a consolation that we have spoken. We the lesser crowd who usually don’t bother because we feel it is more or less futile to do so with the above statistics.

    The hits on this blog according to word press, indicates that only 12% are from Egypt & 88% are from abroad.

    This blog was never meant to be used locally. But we: GAS, Waleed, Castaway, freak, mona symathizer, celebrating, Heba, school sucks, my hat’s off to you traitor, Gina, mixed emotions, no to blood money, G, Doc, ricky, Camron, Habiba, twosret, munkii, babel, even Mona, cody banks, nancy druze, soul manager, sandbar as well as myself, to name a few that could be bothered have done our best in expressing our views.

    Are we to think it is a coincidence that you respectfully ask us to quite posting once the comments have reached record numbers? Is there something to fear? You stopped blogging a little more than a month now & already you are displaying characters reminiscent of the mubarak regime, that can’t be a good thing according to your predisposition. You could have just as easily locked the comment section here as you did on your last post, done. Which you will no doubt do after getting someone in with the last word. By the way Amnesty International already has an organization like the one you were referring to starting up.

    On behalf of all of the above as well as the pro crowd, I thank you for the window of opportunity that allowed us to express our views.

  569. brooklynjon says:

    SM,

    I meant no disrespect. I hope you are and continue to be well.

    BJ out

  570. SM,

    I don’t see any disrespect from anyone to keep posting on your blog. You should take it as a compliment from the community you built in the past three years.

    The fact that people still check your blog and keep posting is not that disrespectful.

    Twosret out and not checking again :)

  571. special forces says:

    LOL, Meryt, SM asked that no one potr here anymore, so what’s up with dumb link in comment #614, that directs us right back to this page? Another attempt I take it of your sock-puppets like the so called- NightFly?

    If you liked what you wrote so much & thought that it was a work of art, then obviously you did not read the response to your highly generic cynical hogwash.

  572. I have been following the debate between Meryt & special forces as well as a lot of the posts on this section of sandmonkey’s blog.

    Although Meryt had generic points, she avoids direct & relevant questions from SF.

    Thanks special forces for having the stomach in my opinion to show alot of people the light of day, while by contrast Meryt has never replied exept for her very generic last post. Go special forces!!!

  573. Another Good Muslim says:

    Pure Goose Bumbs!

    Anyone that watches this till the end & is not even marginally affected by it is completely beyond me.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ILH022wjcZI

    One of my favorite youtube video’s.

    I dedicate this to TWOSRET, world peace & justice, in our so called civilized day & age!

  574. wow it really is awsome

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ILH022wjcZI

    check this out AS WELL
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=O02EQ28_va0&mode=related&search=

    THESE ARE CLEAR CUT FACTS IN THIS DOCUMENTARY, THIS TELL’S YOU EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
    TAKE NOTE OF THE ZIONIST BORDERS IN [25TH SECOND] OF THIS CLIP, THESE BORDERS WERE APPARENTLY DENIED IN THE ABOVE COMMENTARY.

    AFTER WATCHING, DARE ANYONE SPEAK & TRY TO DEFEND ISRAEL BY SAYING THAT THEY ARE ANYTHING OTHER THAN A STATE CONFOUNDED ON T E R R O R I S M?

    SOME PROBABLY WILL ATTEMPT TO DO SO….IT’S SAD REALLY!

    HERE IS ANOTHER ONE OF ISRAELI SOLDIERS WHOSE CONSCIENCE GOT THE BEST OF THEM AND SPOKE OUT. BE WARNED IT IS A LONG ONE BUT VERY WORTHWILE.

    ENOUGH TILL NEXT TIME!

  575. Some people complain a lot about Israel, but most of these people say little or nothing about 100,000s of Muslims being slaughtered in the Sudan, or freedom of speech being violently denied in Egypt and Saudi, or women being beaten in the streets of Tehran merely because of their clothes. Indeed, many of these people support such attrocities.

    When someone is honest, and is as outraged by attrocities committed by their own “side” in a conflict as they are about crimes committed by the other “side”, their position may make an impact on me. I can do without the propaganda.

    SM, I’ll miss your commentary. And that El 3eseily song you recommended in February was pretty kick-ass. :-)

    Shalom, salaam, peace to all. Zvi out, permanently.

  576. special forces says:

    You guys could kill all YOUR countrymen & we wouldn’t care. You could slaughter all YOUR neighbors & we wouldn’t care. But when you for 60 odd years or so continue to slaughter the same helpless innocent rightful inhabitants, we get really fed up. Just cause you have a few people replicating the terrorists if the Hagana etc, what did you expect them to do, just lay down & take it in the arse?

    When people like your self have the audacity & filth as well as the stupor, to stoop so low & try to defend these atrocities, it really sickens me & us Americans that trained you guys. Now that we know what you do with the training you were so generously given to defend your selves.

    Sorry blind supporters of muderers, Zvi the troll of welfare apartheid zionist states really pushed me over the edge. He sounded like he was typing that crap while sipping on a bear & doesn’t even care….AHh if I could……
    To expect any of you to be in the least bit phased by our disgust at what you are doing, we don’t give two hoots about your opinion.

    Right to return is a sickness, Israel is the perfect example of what happens when a sickness engulfs an entire nation & it goes astray, which is so characteristic of your people.

    The right of return … ha ha ha, ha ha you blew that right with the first 150 children that were slaughtered, To the point you have given radical regimes the opportunity to question whether or not you even have the right to exist.

  577. special forces says:

    You guys could kill all YOUR countrymen & we wouldn’t care. You could slaughter all YOUR neighbors & we wouldn’t care. But when you for 60 odd years or so continue to slaughter the same helpless innocent rightful inhabitants, we get really fed up. Just cause you have a few people replicating the terrorists if the Hagana etc, what did you expect them to do, just lay down & take it in the arse?

    When people like your self have the audacity & filth as well as the stupor, to stoop so low & try to defend these atrocities, it really sickens me & us Americans that trained you guys. Now that we know what you do with the training you were so generously given to defend your selves.

    Sorry blind supporters of murderers, Zvi the troll of welfare apartheid Zionist states really pushed me over the edge. He sounded like he was typing that crap while sipping on a beer & doesn’t even care….AHh if I could……
    To expect any of you to be in the least bit phased by our disgust at what you are doing, we don’t give two hoots about your opinion.

    Right to return is a sickness, Israel is the perfect example of what happens when a sickness engulfs an entire nation & it goes astray, which is so characteristic of your people.

    The right of return … ha ha ha, ha ha you blew that right with the first 150 children that were slaughtered, To the point you have given radical regimes the opportunity to question whether or not you even have the right to exist.

  578. Another...typical says:

    Yes indeed # 620 is the typical lame mind frame you find here, typical entrapment trying to debate with this crowd. Typical insanity, typical shame staying in a chat room with the likes of this childish mind frame.

  579. Tom Katt says:

    I am biding my time until a reasonable alternative energy source to oil becomes a reality, when we can finally wash our hands of all this tenderfooting around and begin ‘Operation Clean Slate’. I’m thinking a nice resort area or golf course would look great, the same thing they do with landfills after they have served their purpose.

  580. Another...typical says:

    I was reading a remark by Mona sympathizer & tedders.

    MS wrote that, “Arabs might not win but they will never give up, what part of we do not condone the killing of innocent women & children do you not understand?”

    Tedders wrote, what side teaches it’s kids to blow themselves up & to be considered hero’s

    Answer: the losing side does, in their despair. If the victims of the holocaust did it to the Nazi’s they would have been considered hero’s. So what is the difference when the persecuted Arabs do it within the zionist-apartheid, nazi genocide which is taking place in the stolen lands.

    Answer: there is no difference, except that the so called state of Israel is killing them much slower & the Palesitinians ARE actually heros.

    Israel is just a vacation & recreational spot, where jews can chill out. American jews & all Jews.

    It’s like protecting a land development project, a country club or a church that is being built by kicking out it’s inhabitants. Everyone prefers leisure over toil & wants to ingratiate themselves with the high rollers, case closed Tedder’s.

    Shame on this mentality, shame & same goes with Tom Katt. I would gladly spend the rest of my life in prison just to kill a supporter of this genocide yet alone kill one of the actual perpatrator’s. You slimey hell bound weasles know this, hence the mega paranoia & weaponry, good call douche bags.

    All of you, Teddrs, Eva, Zvi, Meryt, Brooklynjon, Tom Katt, Marry Kate you are all just part of the equation & at best a waste of time.

    Ina ma3 el 3ousr yousra-Ina ma3 el 3ousr yousra!
    Sadak Allahol Azim.

  581. The Nightfly says:

    Re: Special Forces #616

    I hate feeding trolls, they shit all over the place — and yet, I can’t resist in this case! I’m not a sock, actually. I’ve posted a couple of one-liners in previous posts. I doubt Meryt would resort to such tactics (trolling) to deal with trolls — Since you’re presumingly using wikipedia terminology (I’m aware that the term has other origins), perhaps you should assume good faith as well — I was being honest in my post. There was no ulterior motive. Your penchant for conspiracy theories is showing, and your sole basis of evidence for such a claim is that I posted a supportive comment. (That doesn’t lend much credibility to the other theories you’ve put forth!) Perhaps you’ll note the difference in writing style? (Off the top of my head, the fact that I _hate_ using ampersands.) I’m an Egyptian male living in Canada. Stop being so paranoid. Otherwise, Mossad will track you down, pollute your soil, and force you [ha!] to have sex with their voluntarily infected HIV hookers, all in attempt to prevent you from achieving anything in life. The longer you post on this thread, the closer they get to finding you!

    Sandmonkey, I apologize for posting against your wishes. I shall try my best to refrain from doing so again.

    All the best

  582. @ 626, yea right whatever….Nitefly, Meryt, male fag in Canada whatever. Another Egyptian with his head up his ass. Egypeter or what not or even an Israeli convert etc, go feed on this ass wipe!

    Where in Canada are you boris, Ottawa, Kitchener, Calgary, Vancouver, Montreal, Edmonton? Prove it, I happen to be here too, right in TO., so bring it don’t sing it biatch.

    You Jewish pedophile. Or ya it’s Meryt, if it is I just wanted to say cos omic on behalf of special forces, you patriotic charlatan

    To Zvi, Tedders, Bj, Meryt or who ever Chooses to coment further, choose your battles carefully.

    Because here, you WILL be blown of the map. Bring it on.

    For the rest of the humble readers not caught up in their dogma, here is a link to watch.http://youtube.com/watch?v=ILH022wjcZI

  583. elengil says:

    UNSC condemns the attacks in Lebanon.

    But wait, it gets better.

    They stand in full support of the democratically elected Lebanese government and condemn the terrorist attacks to disturb the sovereignty of the Lebanese nation.

    Despite Lebanon’s indescriminate attack using tanks to fire into heavily populated areas with obvious civilian casualties.
    Despite Lebanon’s shelling of a UN convoy.
    Despite 31,000 Palestinians fleeing the camp.

    I guess it isn’t so much the Palestinians that the UN supports, it’s just Israel that the UN condemns.

  584. Another typical says:

    killer of giants. the 5 people+ that bother to comment on this closed blog. drooling over it cuz they know it is too good to be true. Garbage stars. This blog is so dead & so is this thread. Keep coming back.

  585. optic coptic says:

    as long as there is a toilet in the middle east, then she will over flow with excrements due to the plumbing surrounding the toilet. lebanon will burn. If the UN ever had it’s way then the toilet would have withdrawn from UN recognized borders so since the UN doesn’t get it’s way, it will burn.
    what will all the peace keepers do, tryna protect the toilet in the south while lebanon is burning up north?

    nice link cibc

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ILH022wjcZI

  586. cast away says:

    nicely said, # 629.

    Amen

  587. special forces says:

    Guys, I stopped commenting here as I gave it my best shot with these guys, in the end everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

    Thanks CIBC for retorting on my behalf but I don’t need anyone to come to my rescue, your attempts are futile but none the less appreciated.

    By the way, I just wanted to say that I found out the name of the organization that sandmonkey may or may not be contributing to. It was memrytv, not meryt nightfly schizophrenia people.

    Thanks & out!

  588. It’s been a long time, almost two weeks since this American, Palestinian-Egyptian has left any posts on this bigoted blog. Basically because all the fan fair caused by my posts was really hysterical. Especially reading some of the counter posts of people accusing others of being me. It really goes to show that a crowd so easily provoked from comments that weren’t kosher by their standards, just as Sandmonkey did, is the easiest crowd to provoke, counter and conclude the master state.
    Let this text book example be recorded of how hypocrites call the kettle black.
    Thanx to all the supporters who gave a damn yet mistakenly thought that it would make a difference.
    Oh ya before I go Take this %$#%$# suck and fuck and eat this, Jew cunt slime ball + invader apartheid, lost tribe of the world. chosen few of a time when humans were scum so initially you are just the bheetr of the scum then kiss, eat that and die shit spewed douche bags punk fags maggots.

    Peace & Love

    Mona

  589. Mona is twosret playing her same old shit – attempted “good cop, bad cop” with sock puppets. Only she doesn’t realize that it’s “bad cop, worse cop” when she does it :P

    Of course, I could be wrong. Maybe all people who call themselves “American, Palestinian-Egyptian” (and Christian and Canadian, right?) are the same.

    Mona: posts on this bigoted blog.

    Mona: Oh ya before I go Take this %$#%$# suck and fuck and eat this, Jew cunt slime ball + invader apartheid, lost tribe of the world. chosen few of a time when humans were scum so initially you are just the bheetr of the scum then kiss, eat that and die shit spewed douche bags punk fags maggots.

    Mona: hypocrites call the kettle black

    Mona, the obvious bigot, calling other people bigots :o

    By the way, more evidence Mona = Twosret? Saying “hypocrites call the kettle black” which makes absolutely no sense at all to anyone except Twosret. The most famous example of Twosret’s misguided attempt to use colloquialisms is the one SHlemazl thought was so funny he put it on his sidebar: Birds with feathers flock together

    I suppose it is bigotry when somebody who isn’t Egyptian points out the absurdity of your behavior, isn’t it, Twosret?

    You aren’t smart enough to get away with this, dear.

  590. heheheh, great- It’s happening again! lilililili coool!

    One of the sad five commentators on this blog of the fabulous five, as #629 Another Typical put it. my guess that those select five are Zvi, brooklynjon, Tedder’s, Meryt, Craig. Has once again catapolted me to infamy by accusing the very polite Twosret of being me. Just when I thought this crap couldn’t go on any further it keeps getting better & better.

    I suppose that….. all those mentioned in comment #612 are all Twosret as well. .

    GAS, Waleed, Castaway, freak, mona symathizer, celebrating, Heba, school sucks, my hat’s off to you traitor, Gina, mixed emotions, no to blood money, G, Doc, ricky, Camron, Habiba, twosret, munkii, babel, Mona, cody banks, nancy druze, soul manager,

    Yet alone the many other commentators that came after that post in the last 20 comments: Optic Coptic, CIBC, Another typical and so on and so on, go up the list if you really care to know who they are.

    Yes this the most bigoted blog, and you Craig have said :
    I suppose it is bigotry when somebody who isn’t Egyptian points out the absurdity of your behavior, isn’t it, Twosret?

    Didn’t you hear the news, I am not considered Egyptian, especially by that bitch Heba because I am only half Egyptian of Palestinian origin, you should have colluded with your masses and concluded the same.

    It sure looks like Twosret has whooped your ass good, as there seems to be some unconcluded business between the two of you. That’s why your jumping to conclusions. She doesn’t like little kids being blown up and since no one needs to point a finger it is the likes of you the lost tribe of Israel [not the true tribe] that will gather in the region before D-day, that is to blame.

    Yet just pray Mr. Craig that you get cornered in an alley by your typical Twosret- peace activist type of person & not me instead, for you wouldn’t bear a chance.

    It is strange that you said good cop/bad cop. I wasn’t being good I was being subtle.

    Oh ya before I forget: Take your fake ass, blood soaked clothing of your divested ancestors next to the victims of the gas chambers & strap them to your ass before your next raid on Gaza.

    Hence showing the true reason behind your tyranny you bunch of murderous anarchist, appartheid invading opportunists from hell.

    Die you and all your family, your kids first. The blood of every victim is on all your hands-Cowards.

  591. Has once again catapolted me to infamy by accusing the very polite Twosret of being me.

    Twosret? Polite? How much have you had to drink today, whoever you are? I doubt even Sandmonkey thinks Twosret is “polite” – and he is one of her best friends, apparrently.

    By the way, I haven’t even been a regular on this blog since I noticed that Sandmonkey was standing by Twosret even after she started in with all the racial abuse and hate-mongering here on his own blog. I’ve seen SM lose interest in people he used to be friends with just because they didn’t agree with him 100% on what needed to happen in Egypt and the ME. And then he turns around and backs somebody who is an outrageous bigot, and a liar.

    So, I’m not sure you could count me as a Sandmonkey fan. I think Sandmonkey is most concerned with promoting Sandmonkey. Which is fine… but I prefer a little more idealism in my political activists.

    I’m flattered to have made the top 5 assholes list for this blog, though. Quite an accomplishment, considering I’ve hardly been here in the last year!

    Maybe you aren’t Twosret. Maybe all Egyptian/Palestinian/American/Canadian/Christian are stupid, dishonest and use the same writing style. What do I know? It’s not important to me, anyway. I will continue to believe anybody who has the same opinions as Twosret and the same style as Twosret and who uses the same terms and phrases as Twosret, is Twosret. Because 9 times out of 10, it is in fact, Twosret. She has been using this sock-puppet buddy system from the start.

  592. Aywa kida- et 3del ya roh Omak! Translation: Ya you had better straighten your ass out- thats what I thought!

    No, 9/10 it has not been Twosret and it is me that is honored that I have pissed you off as much as Sandmonkey & Twosret.

    Having said that, you don’t get off that easy. This isn’t about me or you, it is about your kind [baby killers] mongers, atheists, imposter’s. I reiterate all the hatred on my last to comments again 100% you hypocrite. You say:
    “I will continue to believe anybody who has the same opinions as Twosret and the same style as Twosret and who uses the same terms and phrases as Twosret, is Twosret. Because 9 times out of 10, it is in fact, Twosret. She has been using this sock-puppet buddy system from the start.”

    Why not send the American equivalent of a katusha rocket into her house and kill all her family. After all the rocket will be free as Israel and Jews although very well off don’t even pay the transport costs or the salaries of assholes like yourself that fire them in to the homes of the innocents. It is you and your type that kill anybody that opposes Zionism or don’t agree 100% with your monolithic ideals and brand us hypocrits.

    I am the one who could care less and oh ya before I go, eat shit and die baby killer, homos eating pedophiles, rapists, scum of the earth that all mankind has to deal with. Once upon a time, a good race now a cowardly race. It was really sad what Hitler and pharoh did to your people but it was much deserved shit bag. Now go turn on the tube maybe you can rejoice that you guys have killed a few more Hamas militants along with the tons of innocent victims. Mr. sock himself.

  593. Tom Katt says:

    HAHA

    You people are retards. Must be the heat.

  594. tom katt, cus omac

    sandmonkey.org the world of the sock puppets!!!!!!

  595. where is eee ? I loved her prose

  596. back in the saddle, but this time not as an underdog. The slime have moved on to better pastures.

    Golda Meir said “until the Palestinians love their children more than they hate us, there will never be peace.”

    She should have said that about Hitler when he was still alive.

    Colonial, apartheid bullshit wont last forever. It sure didn’t in south Africa and it sure wont this time either. Israel must disintegrate itself before it dis ingratiates itself with the who;e world.

    Never mind that Israel supposedly is a democratic apartheid state with freedom of speech and legalized [against the Torah] prostitution and brothels. They have put God’s religion to disgrace.

    Shame on them for abusing the prophecy, the return of the children of Israel to Jerusalem before Armageddon. ASSWIPE OPPORTUNISTS!

    Hey people of the book, the other books, Christians and Muslims, the cheapest sex in the region is right in (Israel- the other people of the book) [and its legal, so is homosexuality, never mind it is all prohibited in Judaism]. All re birthed flesh flesh of Holocaust survivor’s.

    Ahh fuck it let them kill a few Arabs while they are at it, after all the gas chambers really must have caused them trauma as well as gone to their heads, all that carbon monoxide and stuff. Must have been terrible being a Jew back then and feeling the nausea of being in one of those gas chambers, knowing that all your kids will be able to gain in life is a future in invading the lands of the defenseless Palestinians and killing them.

    Ah what the hell let them kill em anyways, it all comes down to economies of scale in the end and equal distribution of grief. Let some other innocent peoples suffer for a change, let it be the Palestinians because they are bad and blow up themselves like the Japanese did, even the Haggana terrorists that started the bloody invasion of Palestine.

    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH SANDMONKEY. I am sorry that you have reverse culture shock and really miss being ingratiated by the American mentality, but you cussing Islam just makes you exactly what you hate. You are no different then Meryt or anyone else. When you die, what would be the procedure, Koran being read on your soul or Baily’s dipped on your grave. Wake up, grow up.

    Get over your so called 9 relationships in three years. Your parents are a little sick and may not live for a long time. You really need to rethink things over mr. cool and bloody quick too!

    Sleep with the Devil and then you must pay.

  597. Another Good Muslim says:

    Amen. Insha Allah maybe one day he will.

  598. Shingles says:

    I am a first time poster here, I heard there were actually a few people that spoke out against Israel on this so called Zionist site. I couldn’t resist to read the slaughter and the misdirected passions back and forth.

    From what I have read so far it sure seems that a lot of commentators here could really use some Prozac.

    lolol, I just watched an Israeli on BBC say that before the six day war he thought he was entering another Holocaust. Until it turned out in Israel’s favor in the six day war. The funny thing is that these gullible Jews thought that it was okay to , invade Palestinian land and just settle their after killing thousands upon thousands of people who refused to leave and chose to stay and fight. They actually thought that there might not be any any repercussions.

    The provoked Arabs were led into a trap of getting their asses kicked by the help of weaponry from the west as a compensation for being Holocaust victims. I mean what a sham. True Jews have left Israel & remigrated back to other countries such as Australia, U.K., Canada & the good ol U.S. of A. After realizing that the dream is a big scam, fed by huge humanitarian crimes. Maybe they will return a few decades later after the Palestinians are dead or it is liberated state that will cater to true Judaism.

    No wonder Israel does so much charity work in Africa to try and cover up these horrendous abuses. If they were genuinely charitable don’t you think they would have given back at least half the land they stole.

    I love Sadat but he so deserved to be assassinated in a way that was beyond my comprehension till I saw the true may-ham in Gaza that is never shown in the news just as this has been kept from the public as well, at the request of America. Come on really, a few beheaded soldiers are not going to stop the power corporations from making their petro dollars. I mean think about it what the hell is the U.S. really doing in Iraq, as if they really give a shit about them people they are too busy playing God everywhere else in the world.

    Beheaded kidnapped American soldiers
    http://www.savage-productions.com/beheaded_soldiers_iraq.html

    See what I mean…

  599. Shit, Sandmonkey!
    I understand what you are doing, grasp it, feel it, and me myself thought about this once (though I am not that glorious!), and though I cannot accept this. I believe that you are right, and this is a decision for your interest and safety, but there is something inside cursing you, of the reasons that cause you to quit. However, take care of yourself; we will miss your rantings!
    LOve yoU

  600. ramsis-must-win says:

    Sandmonkey, I’m an average Egyptian citizen. So sad to see you leaving like that. I’m sure you know the best for yourself. I’m sure that you will never give up your decision either. Sandmonkey, you gave me hope. You are one of our hopes, you, the big pharaoh , Noura Younis , Ayman Nour, kefaya guys and anyone who want a better future for Egypt. Man, for the love God don’t give up like that. I know that you are not satisfied with certain things according to what I have read in your post, but c’mon, tell me what is so perfect in our world. You can try to change what you see imperfect rather than disappointing us like that.

    Man, those who start a change have to endure whatever a suffering and have to expect a lot of challenges because their cause deserve suffering. Doesn’t Egypt deserve our suffering? Man you have already taken the harder steps. Look at you now, you are famous, you have readers, you were able to attract the media focus and you have raised a lot of successful stories. So why on earth you go like that now?

    Sandmonkey, I happen to remember your post which you made after you had attended Ayman Nour’s conference during the last so-called Egyptian presidential election. Do you remember that boy who came from Embaba to Eltahrir square to attend the conference? You talked with that boy and saw how his eyes were full of hope. I still remember when you said: “that boy is my hero”. For the sake of that boy don’t give up. Your struggle is for that boy, for all the Egyptians who still have the slightest hope for a better future. You are afraid of jail? Fuck it; it is the best thing they have to silence us. But, is it really a successful silencing process? No, on the contrary comrade! Try it only once and you will get addicted to it! Believe me, it is not frightening as you may imagine.

    To Mona sympathizer: why the hell should we care much about the Israeli Palestinian conflict, hanging all of our dreams on it? Why shouldn’t Every body should take care of his own shit?.mona do you remember what happened when our land was taken in 1967? We fought. we fought like men. We didn’t explode ourselves in a restaurant or a school bus. We didn’t start whining like bitches either. And when we made an agreement with Israel they respected the treaty, so were us. I think Israel and Egypt are too smart than others to start another war. But alas, look at the Palestinians. They fight among themselves. so why should Israel trust them? Yes, those Palestinians, despite all the efforts we have done for them, have burnt the Egyptian flag and assaulted our foreign minister. Why the hell don’t you blame Kuwait which expelled 300,000 Palestinians and liquidated and tortured others after the first gulf war (because Arafat supported Sadam Hussain)? Why don’t you blame Saudi Arabia because, until the moment, they refuse to give a citizenship to the Palestinian refugees? Wait, why don’t you blame the gulf countries which abuse the Egyptian workers openly? Did Israel abuse the Egyptian workers in Isreal( there are 20000 Egyptian workers in Isreal)? Did the USA abuse the Egyptian-americans who work in the United States? What else can we do for those Arabs? The Egyptian economy lost literally more than 100 billion dollars during five wars for the arab sake, something which made us a poor country, and at last we have those ungrateful arabs.You are looking to the splinter in the eyes of Israel but overlooking the wooden beam in your own eyes.

    BrooklynJons, I totally agree with you.

  601. Egypt is not hanging all it’s dreams on the Israeli Palestinian conflict at all.

    Your agreeing with bJ’s quote from the Bible is not synonymous or relevant in any way. By the way it was a reference to a plank not a beam, just for your information. Israeli’s are cold blooded murders and are not a country. It is just a haven for a people whose attempted extermination [that was inevitable] falsely validates them the opportunity to live in a homeland after what happened to them by Hitler.

    In the last month I have been doing a lot of research about Israel and Zionism and have seen horrible horrible images of the Holocaust. It saddened me so much that innocent woman and children would be gassed naked in chambers then their corpses left to rot. It infuriated me as it immediately reminded me of what is transpiring in Palestine now a days.

    If Hitler didn’t have any ulterior motives besides killing Jews, he quite possibly could have succeeded in exterminating all the Jews in Europe as well as the entire world. It is because of the fact that this was not all that he was interested in accomplishing that he was stopped by the allies. Otherwise nobody would have given a damn about these innocent people in Europe called Jews just as no one does about the Palestinians now. The added fact that if these Palestinians were being slaughtered by any people other than those who so needlessly suffered at the hands of Hitler, they probably would have been rescued by now, just as what happened in Bosnia by the NATO bombing campaign.

    What troubles me is that these poor victims of the Holocaust are now doing the same thing in a land where they only have the right to live, if they live peacefully. Not as conquerors and invaders. This is what I meant by the above [the inevitable extermination]. During my research I discovered that Jews are very very unpredictable people and they have a penchant for being just that. Orthodox Jews are simply the most unorthodox people in the world and they have done the same through out history as there is a good reason why God made this so. Why, I have no clue but to just believe in all three books tell us so, so it must be true. My guess is that he wanted to make an example of them so that all creeds and people should follow his message and proofs and lessons. warning people not to transgress. Showing proof of how people can be so ungrateful after being saved and chosen as the children of Israel were.

    At the end of the day I will not stand by idly and confer to the fact that Israel has the right to exist while being so prudent in continuing it’s actions. I concede that it just does exist and that is that.

    A lot that you have said is true about how Egypt sacrificed a lot of its country men for the Arab good and we don’t get the treatment we deserve from them.

    You are overlooking the fact that there is an extreme amount of corruption in Egypt and these gulf states as well and that is why things are the way they are.

    You say the leaders of both Egypt and Israel are way to smart to fight one another again and that includes not persecuting each others citizens. Israel considers any Jew a brother and offers them immediate citizenship if they want to immigrate to Israel. The same type of brotherhood stretches far far beyond in the Muslim world although obstrued by common perception and a few fanatical factions that is why there is great enmity for Israel among every single Arab country; 1.2 billion people more than 1/6 of the entire world population. Add the few but sane couple of million that do not agree on what Israel is doing after they themselves were victims of such brutality themselves and it is close to 1/5 of the world’s population.

    It is Israel that is in a predicament my friend, not the Palestinians…

  602. Mona Wilson- Academy of Arts says:

    One more thing.

    IN ENGLISH, the word Arab comes from the word Abraham. The entomology of the word Arab is from the word Abraham. All descendents of Abraham are Arabs even Jews.

    It is not the fault that the people that stayed true to their roots and remained the indigenous people of the region of Abraham are the only ones that are called Arabs.

    Even in Hebrew the word “Hebrew” itself is “Ivri” pronounced and spelled with an “I” just as the word Abraham in Arabic “Ibrahim” is pronounced and spelled with an “I.”

    What do you say about that?…Holly Moses…!

  603. Mona, you are mentally ill (it was my post #570 that mentions the plank, not that
    idon’t respect and agree with everything BJ has had to say here. See the whole quote below along with a few other quotes you will no doubt miss the wisdom of). I truly have compassion for your twisted misogynistic world view. I think Jesus could help you with that if you could let him into your heart.

    Any way that’s not why I came to post (I told myself I wouldn’t post again in respect for SM wishes), this was in Newsweek and I couldn’t resist:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18999829/site/newsweek/

    Go get em SM, all of your supporters are behind you and see through the cowards who question your forsifght and integrity. You don’t need us to tell you you’re doing the right thing, you know you are. God bless you and all your endeavors!

    Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

    Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as God forgave you.

    hear any of that Mona?

  604. Hehe he,

    Thanx for calling me mentally ill you Twerp.

    Just FYI Jesus is in my heart as he is in the hearts of every Muslim and Christian alike. Tedders-Bj-Meryt-Craig-Zvi-heba-Eva etc, you are all one so it doesn’t make a diff that I got you guys mixed up. At least I corrected the mis reference of the beam/plank thing, but in the end you are all the same. Nothing but fake ass sell outs. Selling out God with your watered down religions.

    I ‘m not one to preach but I am just giving you the down low on something you love to hate.

    What have you done for Jesus lately, ask your self that.

    What Bible is that quote from? Why should it even matter how perfectly you quote the text? after all, each version, edition etc. is different from the next one. Ever think about that? Those who did are actually called reverts. Reverts to Islam. Islam equals submission, obeying all the commands and loving all the prophets- Not Terrorism. If you think different then you just as confused as someone that says all Christians are like David Koresh. Catch my drift buddy?

    So please don’t try and preach to me with your ludicrous suggestions. Hehehe ” Get rid of all the Malice”

    I guess it takes Malice to blow someones head off? As it takes two to Tango.
    So let the Israelites keep on killing and forgetting God’s favor over them by showing their malice towards a people that were just like they were in Europe during World War Two, and don’t hold your breath that the victims won’t feel malice towards them.

    Guess where I am going this Tuesday? Yes, Tel Aviv. I will keep you posted as it should be very rudiment and interesting.

    I bet you didn’t know the Christian faith is frowned upon and absolutely not considered a religion by most in Israel, although Islam is, it is also considered a bigger threat then Christianity, due to the misunderstanding of the oxymoron that Islam was won by the sword. I swear, Judaism is such an interesting religion, it can literally blow you away lolol. I’m sick…

    I have a friend of mine their who is going to try and convince me of a few things and help me better understand how things really are over there with out a clouded head. I will be more than open and abstract.

    The story of Moses and how he was sent to save a persecuted people, that Travelled in the desert for 40 years is actually one of the most beautiful stories in history if not the most beautiful of all stories. I am on a quest for knowledge and to more than anything, confer what I already know.

  605. Adrian from Denmark says:

    It’s 10th of june now and a months since you stopped blogging.

    SAM – I MISS YOU!!!!!!!!!

    Please come back.

  606. Ramsis-must-win says:

    Mona,are you sure you are mentally inebt?
    where to begin?…ah, i never said that i agree with just a BJ quote…i said that i “totally” agree with all of his mindful opinions here..big deal

    second of all, mind you i don’t really care about your victimization nonsense. the palestinians are fighting among themselves as we speak. the palestinians showed enough hatred for my country so,in essence, i really don’t care about them. doesn’t matter now if you come again under one of your beautiful names with another hysterical rhetoric, crying loudly, burn the barns , weeping and then using the lowest vulgar expressions i have ever seen.

    Meryt, i admire your posts so much. you are profound, reasonable,analytical and prestigious. my pride to see such wonderful Egyptian fellow.do you have a website or a blog?

  607. Ramsis-must-win says:

    sorry,but i couldn’t let this pass:
    mona#647 “IN ENGLISH, the word Arab comes from the word Abraham. The entomology of the word Arab is from the word Abraham. All descendents of Abraham are Arabs even Jews.”

    the Entomology!! thanks for viewing the arabs as insects! . you must have meant “Etymology”. may you try some English classes?

  608. Mona says: “I ‘m not one to preach ”

    You can say that again!!! That’s the single thing you’ve said that I agree with 100%!

    Hey Ramsis, as you know, Mona does her cause more harm than a battalion of IDF soldiers. Pseudo intellectualism based on hyper emotional rants is her modus operandi. 99.9999% of the world see through her paranoia.

  609. wooooo..Hooooo, you the man, Tedders……..

    I may have started off by fearing for the security of those being killed daily by the IDF etc. however now it has grown into full fledged panic. Who are yo to judge when you can tuck your wife in kids every night knowing that they won’t be killed? How dare you call me Paranoid you bastard.

    9999999.9999999 of the world agree that I am right! That’s exactly what I mean. ANYONE WHO PREACH’S, that just reads the news and doesn’t live it everyday shouldn’t speak. Why the FUCK do you get so emotional dick weed, did anyone kill any of your country men, except for Bush’s policies in Iraq, so that he can continue to milk you for the price of the unleaded fuel you drive your kids to school with? So butt-out, you fake ass Branch Dividian.

    Don’t get me started.

    You don’t respect Sandmonkey, and you never did, you still post here. The only difference you hypocrite, is, that I openly say that I don’t respect him.
    Speaking of psuedo-intellectuallism, jeeesh.

    My last three posts are quotes from my final thesis at the Acadamy of Arts, which I just so happened to rhave eceive an “A+” on, which was graded by an American Protestant Christian Professor, that knows way more than the lot of you wanna be’s. Why do you think I refrained from calling you all the dim witted fools that you all have proven to be, in my last few posts?

    Go to sleep, you wanna be connoisseur of current events and world politics…This Blog doesn’t even concern you. phfeeesh…What a farce you are…

  610. Mona says: “Don’t get me started.”
    You “started” long before I ever got here, in a pathological and psychotic way.

    Mona says:”did anyone kill any of your country men”
    Yes, Dick Weed (your nomenclature, not mine) You never heard of the attack on Manhattan, New York on September 11, 2001. Here are a few more you probably aren’t aware of.

    Sep 24 93
    Yigal Vaknin was stabbed to death in an orchard near the trailer home where he lived near the village of Basra. A squad of the HAMAS’ Iz a-Din al Kassam claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Oct 9 93
    Dror Forer and Aran Bachar were murdered by terrorists in Wadi Kelt in the Judean Desert. The Popular Front and the Islamic Jihad ‘Al-Aqsa Squads’ each publicly claimed responsibility.

    Oct 24 93
    Two IDF soldiers, Staff Sgt. (res.) Ehud Rot, age 35, and Sgt. Ilan Levi, age 23, were killed by a HAMAS Iz a-Din al Kassam squad. The two entered a Subaru with Israeli license plates outside a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip, whose passengers were apparently terrorists disguised as Israelis. Following a brief struggle, the soldiers were shot at close range and killed. HAMAS publicly claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Oct 29 93
    Chaim Mizrahi, resident of Beit-El, was kidnapped by three terrorists from a poultry farm near Ramallah. He was murdered and his body burned. Three Fatah members were convicted of the murder on July 27, 1994.

    Nov 7 93
    Efraim Ayubi of Kfar Darom, Rabbi Chaim Druckman’s personal driver, was shot to death by terrorists near Hebron. HAMAS publicly claimed responsibility for the murder.

    Nov 9 93
    Salman ‘Id el-Hawashla, age 38, an Israeli Bedouin of the Abu Rekaik tribe who was driving a car with Israeli plates, was killed by three armed men driving a truck hijacked from the Gaza municipality, in a deliberate head-on collision.

    Nov 17 93
    Sgt. 1st Cl. Chaim Darina, age 37, was stabbed by a Gazan terrorist while seated at the cafeteria at the Nahal Oz road block at the entrance to the Gaza Strip. The perpetrator was apprehended. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the murder.

    Dec 1 93
    Shalva Ozana, age 23, and Yitzhak Weinstock, age 19, were shot to death by terrorists from a moving vehicle, while parked on the side of the road to Ramallah because of engine trouble. Weinstock died of his wounds the following morning. Iz a-Din al Kassam claimed responbility for the attack, stating that it was carried out in retaliation for the killing by Israeli forces of Imad Akel, a wanted HAMAS leader in Gaza.

    Dec 5 93
    David Mashrati, a reserve soldier, was shot and killed by a terrorist attempting to board a bus on route 641 at the Holon junction. The Islamic Jihad Shekaki gorup claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Dec 6 93
    Mordechai Lapid and his son Shalom Lapid, age 19, were shot to death by terrorists near Hebron. HAMAS publicly claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Dec 22 93
    Eliahu Levin and Meir Mendelovitch were killed by shots fired at their car from a passing vehicle in the Ramallah area. HAMAS claimed responsibility.

    Dec 23 93
    Anatoly Kolisnikov, an Ashdod resident employed as a relief watchman at a construction site there, was stabbed to death while on duty.

    Dec 31 93
    Chaim Weizman and David Bizi were found murdered in a Ramle apartment. ID cards of two Gaza residents were found in the apartment, together with a leaflet of the Popular Front ‘Red Eagle’ group, claiming responsibility for the murder.

    Dec 24 93
    Lieut.Col. Meir Mintz, commander of the IDF special forces in the Gaza area, was shot and killed by terrorists in an ambush on his jeep at the T-junction in Gaza. The HAMAS Iz a-Din al Kassam squads publicly claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Jan 12 94
    Moshe Becker of Rishon Le-Zion was stabbed to death by three Palestinian employees while working in his orchard. The Popular Front claimed responsibility for the murder.

    Jan 14 94
    Grigory Ivanov was stabbed to death by a terrorist in the industrial zone at the Erez junction, near the Gaza Strip. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Feb 9 94
    Ilan Sudri, a taxi driver, was kidnapped and murdered while returning home from work. The Islamic Jihad Shekaki group sent a message to the news agencies claiming responsibility for the murder.

    Feb 10 94
    Naftali Sahar, a citrus grower, was murdered by blows to his head. His body was found in his orchard near Kibbutz Na’an.

    Feb 13 94
    Noam Cohen, age 28, member of the General Security Service, was shot and killed in an ambush on his car. Two of his colleagues who were also in the vehicle suffered moderate injuries. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Feb 17 94
    Yuval Golan, stabbed on December 29, 1993 by a terrorist near Adarim in the Hebron area, died of his wounds.

    Feb 19 94
    Zipora Sasson, resident of Ariel and five months pregnant, was killed on the trans-Samaria highway in an ambush by shots fired at her car. The terrorists were members of HAMAS.

    Feb 25 94
    Sam Eisenstadt, age 80, was assaulted with an axe in the center of Kfar Saba. He died of his wounds shortly afterwards.

    Mar 23 94
    Victor Lashchiver, employed as a guard at the Income Tax offices in East Jerusalem, was shot and killed near Damascus Gate on his way to work. The Popular Front claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Mar 29 94
    Yitzhak Rothenberg, age 70 of Petah Tikva, was attacked on a construction site by two residents of Khan Yunis by axe blows to the head. He died several days later of his wounds. The murderers, apprehended the next day, stated that they carried out the attack in order to clear themselves of suspected collaboration with the Israeli authorities.

    Mar 31 94
    Yosef Zandani, age 28 of Bnei Ayish, near Gedera, was found murdered in his apartment. Near the body was a leaflet of the DFLP “Red Star”, explaining that the murder was carried out in revenge for the shooting of one of its members by an Israeli citizen. The Israeli acted in self-defense.

    Apr 6 94
    Asher Attia, 48, of Afula, bus driver; Vered Mordechai, 13, of Afula; Maya Elharar, 17, of Afula; Ilana Schreiber, 45, a teacher from Kibbutz Nir David; Meirav Ben-Moshe, 16, of Afula; Ayala Vahaba, 40, a teacher from Afula; and Fadiya Shalabi, 25, of Iksal were killed in a car-bomb attack on a bus in the center of Afula. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack. Ahuva Cohen Onalla, 37, wounded in the attack, died of her wounds on April 25.

    Apr 7 94
    Yishai Gadassi, age 32 of Kvutzat Yavne, was shot and killed at a hitchhiking post at the Ashdod junction by a member of HAMAS. The terrorist was killed by bystanders at the scene.

    Apr 13 94
    Rahamim Mazgauker, 34, of Hadera; David Moyal, 26 of Ramat Gan, an Egged mechanic; Daga Perda, 44, who immigrated from Ethiopia in 1991; Bilha Butin, 49, of Hadera; and Sgt. Ari Perlmutter, 19, of Ir Ovot in the Arava were killed in a suicide bombing attack on a bus in the central bus station of Hadera. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Apr 21 94
    The body of officer cadet Shahar Simani, 20, of Ashkelon, was found stabbed to death near the roadside at the village of Beit Hanina, north of Jerusalem. He had been kidnapped while hitchhiking in the south.

    May 17 94
    Rafael Yairi (Klumfenbert), 36, of Kiryat Arba, and Margalit Ruth Shohat, 48, of Ma’ale Levona, were killed when their car was fired upon by by terrorists in a passing car near Beit Haggai, south of Hebron.

    May 20 94
    Staff Sgt. Moshe Bukra, 30, and Cpl. Erez Ben-Baruch, 24, were shot dead by HAMAS terrorists at a roadblock one kilometer south of the Erez checkpoint in the Gaza Strip.

    Jul 7 94
    Sarit Prigal, 17, was shot to death when terrorists opened fire from a passing car near the entrance to Kiryat Arba.

    Jul 7 94
    The body of Arye Frankenthal, 20, from Moshav Gimzo near Lod, who had left his base in the south the previous day, was found stabbed and shot near the Arab village of Kafr Akab, near Ramallah.

    Jul 19 94
    Lt. Guy Ovadia, 23, of Kibbutz Yotvata, was fatally wounded in an ambush near Rafiah. HAMAS took responsibility for the attack, saying it was “a response to the massacre at the Erez checkpoint”.

    Jul 25 94
    Border policeman Sgt.-Maj. Jacques Attias, 24, died of his wounds after being shot by Palestinian policemen during the riots at Erez checkpoint on July 17.

    Aug 2 94
    Yoram Sakuri, 30, of Kiryat Netafim in Samaria, died of stab wounds suffered when a terrorist broke into his home on July 1st.

    Aug 14 94
    Ron Soval, 18, of Lehavim, north of Beersheba, was shot to death in an ambush near Kissufim junction in the Gaza Strip. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Aug 26 94
    Shlomo Kapach, 22, of Holon and Gil Revah, 21, of Bat Yam, elevator technicians, were murdered at a Ramle building site. Israel has requested the extradition of the suspected killers from the Palestinian Authority.

    Sep 4 94
    Sgt. Victor Shichman, 24, was killed at the Morag junction in the southern Gaza Strip while on patrol, from shots fired from a vehicle bearing Palestinian license plates.

    Sep 94
    Natasha Ivanov, 32, of Ashdod was strangled to death. In March 2001, a Palestinian arrested for being in Israel illegally, admitted to carrying out the murder in order to gain acceptance into a terrorist organization.

    Oct 9 94
    Ma’ayan Levy, 19, an off-duty soldier from Moshav Beit Zayit and Samir Mugrabi, 35, from Kafr Akab, in north Jerusalem, were killed in a terrorist attack in the Nahalat Shiva section of downtown Jerusalem. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Oct 14 94
    Cpl. Nahshon Wachsman, 20, who had been abducted by HAMAS, was murdered by his captors. Capt. Nir Poraz, 23, was killed in the course of the unsuccessful IDF rescue operation to obtain his release.

    Oct 19 94
    In a suicide bombing attack on the No. 5 bus on Dizengoff Street in Tel-Aviv, 21 Israelis and one Dutch national were killed: Haviv Tishbi, 54, of Tel Aviv; Moshe Gardinger, 83, of Tel Aviv; Pnina Rapaport, 74, of Tel Aviv; Galit Rosen, 23, of Holon; Zippora Ariel, 64, of Tel Aviv; David Lida, 74, of Tel Aviv; Puah Yedgar, 56, of Givatayim; Dalia Ashkenazi, 62, of Tel; Aviv Esther Sharon, 21, of Lod; Ofra Ben-Naim, 33, of Lod; Tamar Karlibach-Sapir, 24, of Moshav Zafaria; Shira Meroz-Kot, 20, of Kibbutz Beit Hashita; Miriam Adaf, 54, of Sderot; Anat Rosen, 21, of Ra’anana; Salah Ovadia, 52, of Holon; Eliahu Wasserman, 66, of Bat Yam; Alexandra Sapirstein, 55, of Holon; Dr. Pierre Atlas, 56, of Kiryat Ono; Ella Volkov, 21, of Safed; Ayelet Langer-Alkobi, 26, of Kibbutz Yiron; Kochava Biton, 59, of Tel Aviv; Rinier Yurest, 23, of the Netherlands.

    Nov 11 94
    Capt. Yehazkel Sapir, 36, of Kfar Sava; Lt. Yotam Rahat, 31, of Tel-Aviv; and Capt. Elad Dror, 24, of Kibbutz Nachson were killed at the Netzarim junction in the Gaza Strip when a Palestinian riding a bicycle detonated explosives strapped to his body. Islamic Jihad said it carried out the attack to avenge the car bomb killing of Islamic Jihad leader Hani Abed on Nov 2.

    Nov 19 94
    Sgt.-Maj. Gil Dadon, 26, of Bat Yam, was killed at the army post at Netzarim junction by shots fired from a passing car. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Nov 27 94
    Rabbi Amiran Olami, 34, of Otniel was killed near Beit Hagai 10 kms south of Hebron by shots fired from a passing car.

    Nov 30 94
    Sgt. Liat Gabai, 19, of Afula, was axed to death in the center of Afula.

    Jan 6 95
    Ofra Felix, 20, of Beit El, a university student, was killed when terrorists opened fire on her car north of Beit El.

    Jan 22 95
    Two consecutive bombs exploded at the Beit Lid junction near Netanya, killing 18 soldiers and one civilian. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. The soldiers killed were: Lt. David Ben-Zino, 20, of Ashdod; Lt. Adi Rosen, 20, of Moshav Bitzaron; Lt. Yuval Tuvya, 22, of Jerusalem; Sgt.-Maj. Anan Kadur, 24, of Daliat al-Carmel; Staff-Sgt. Damian Rosovski, 20, of Kadima; Staff-Sgt. Yehiel Sharvit, 21, of Haifa; Staff-Sgt. Yaron Blum, 20, of Jerusalem; Sgt. Maya Kopstein, 19, of Jerusalem; Sgt. Daniel Tzikuashvili, 19, of Jerusalem; Sgt. Avi Salto, 19, of Rishon Lezion; Sgt. Rafael Mizrahi, 19, of Ramat Gan; Sgt. Eran Gueta, 20, of Ashkelon; Cpl. Soli Mizrahi, 18, of Ramat Ramat Gan; Cpl. David Hasson, 18, of Ashkelon; Cpl. Amir Hirschenson, 18, of Jerusalem; Cpl. Gilad Gaon, 18, of Herzliya; Cpl. Ilie Dagan, 18, of Kochav Yair; Cpl. Eitan Peretz, 18, of Nahariya; and Shabtai Mahpud, 34, of Moshav Tnuvot.
    Lt. Eyal Levy, 20, of Ashdod, and Cpl. Yaniv Weiser, 18, of Givatayim, who were seriously wounded in the attacks, later died of their wounds.

    Feb 6 95
    Yevgeny Gromov, 32, of Ashkelon, a security guard, was killed when terrorists opened fire from a passing car on the Gaza bypass road between Jabalya and Gaza City, as he was escorting a gasoline truck to a Gaza Strip filling station.

    Feb 13 95
    Rafael Cohen, 35, of Jerusalem, a taxi driver, was fatally stabbed on the Jerusalem-Ma’aleh Adumim road.

    Mar 19 95
    Nahum Hoss, 32, of Hebron and Yehuda Fartush, 41, of Kiryat Arba, were killed when terrorists fired on an Egged bus near the entrance to Hebron.

    Mar 29 95
    Police Insp. Nitzan Cohen, 22, of Jerusalem and Sgt.-Maj. Jamal Suwitat from Makr village in Western Galilee were killed when a Palestinian driver rammed his truck into their jeep in a convoy east of the Netzarim junction in Gaza.

    Apr 9 95
    Staff-Sgt. Yuval Regev, 20, of Holon; Staff-Sgt. Meir Scheinwald, 20, of Safed; Sgt. Itai Diener, 19, of Rishon Lezion; Sgt. Zvi Narbat, 19, of Rishon Lezion; Sgt. Netta Sufrin, 20, of Rishon Lezion; Cpl. Tal Nir, 19, of Kibbutz Miflasim; Sgt. Avraham Arditi, 19, of Jerusalem; and Alisa Flatow, 20, of the United States were killed when a bus was hit by an explosives-laden van near Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Jul 18 95
    Ohad Bachrach, 18, of Beit El, and Ori Shahor, 20, of Ra’anana, were killed while hiking in Wadi Kelt.

    Jul 24 95
    Moshe Shkedi, 75, of Ramat Gan; Rahel Tamari, 65, of Tel Aviv; Zviya Cohen, 62, of Tel Aviv; Zahava Oren, 60, of Tel Aviv; Nehama Lubowitz, 61, of Tel Aviv; and Mordechai Tovia, 37, of Tel Aviv were killed in a suicide bomb attack on a bus in Ramat Gan.

    Aug 21 95
    Rivka Cohen, 26, of Jerusalem; Hannah Naeh, 56, of Jerusalem; Joan Davenney, 46, of Connecticut; and Police Chief Superintendent Noam Eisenman, 35, of Jerusalem were killed in a suicide bombing of a Jerusalem bus.

    Sep 5 95
    Daniel Frei, 28, of Ma’aleh Michmash, was stabbed to death when a terrorist broke into his home at night.

    Jan 16 96
    Sgt. Yaniv Shimel and Major Oz Tibon, both of Jerusalem, were killed when terrorists fired on their car on the Hebron-Jerusalem road.

    Jan 30 96
    Staff Sgt. Ehud Tal, 21, of Kibbutz Maoz Haim, was stabbed to death at the liaison office in an army camp south of Jenin.

    Feb 25 96
    In a suicide bombing of bus No. 18 near the Central Bus Station in Jerusalem, 26 were killed (17 civilians and 9 soldiers).
    The civilians:
    Daniel Biton, 42; Yitzhak Elbaz, 57, Boris Sharpolinsky, 64; Semion Trakashvili, 60; Yitzhak Yakhnis, 54; Peretz Gantz, 61; Anatoly and Jana Kushnirov, 36 and 37; Masuda Amar, 59; Swietlana Gelezniak, 32; Celine Zaguri, 19 – all of Jerusalem; Navon Shabo, 22, of Bnei Brak; Michael Yerigin, 16, of Kibbutz Maabarot; Matthew Eisenfeld, 25 and Sara Duker, 23, of the United States.
    Wael Kawasmeh, 23, of East Jerusalem, and Ira Yitzhak Weinstein, 53, of Maaleh Adumim, later died of their wounds.
    The soldiers:
    Sgt. Yonatan Barnea, 20; St-Sgt. Gavriel Krauss, 24; St.-Sgt. Gadi Shiloni, 22; Cpl. Moshe Reuven, 19; St.-Sgt. Maj. (res.) Arye Barashi, 39; Cpl. Iliya Nimotin, 19; Cpl. Merav Nahum, 19; Sgt. Sharon Hanuka, 19; Arik Gaby, 16 (student in pre-army boarding school) – all of Jerusalem.
    HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Feb 25 96
    Sgt. Hofit Ayyash, 20, of Ashdod was killed in an explosion set off by a suicide bomber at a hitchhiking post oustide Ashkelon. HAMAS claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Feb 26 96
    Flora Yehiel, 28, of Kiryat Ata, was killed when a car was driven into a bus stop at the French Hill junction in Jerusalem.

    Mar 3 96
    In a suicide bombing of bus No. 18 on Jaffa Road in Jerusalem, 19 were killed (16 civilians and 3 soldiers).
    The civilians:
    Maya Birkan, 59; Naima Zargary, 66; Gavriel Shamashvili, 43; Shemtov Sheikh, 63; Anna Shingeloff, 36; Raya Daushvili, 55; George Yonan, 38 – all of Jerusalem; Sarina Angel, 45, of Beit Jalla; Gidi Taspanish, 23, a tourist from Ethiopia; Valerian Krasyon, 44, a tourist from Romania; Dominic Lunca, 29; Daniel Patenka, 33; Marian Grefan, 40; Mirze Gifa, 39; Dimitru Kokarascu, 43 – all Romanian workers.
    Imar Ambrose, 51, of Romania, died on March 9.
    The soldiers:
    Sgt. Yoni Levy, 21, of Jerusalem; Sgt. Haim Amedi, 19, of Jerusalem; Senior NCO Uzi Cohen, 54, border policeman of Jerusalem.

    Mar 4 96
    Outside Dizengoff Center in Tel-Aviv, a suicide bomber detonated a 20-kilogram nail bomb, killing 13 (12 civilians and 1 soldier):
    Bat-Hen Shahak, 15, of Tel Mond; Hadas Dror, 15, of Tel Mond; Kobi Zaharon, 13, of Tel Aviv; Inbar Atiya, 21, of Ramat-Efal; Dan Tversky, 58, of Tel Aviv; Dana Gutman, 14, of Moshav Mishmeret; Yovav Levy, 13, of Tel Aviv; Leah Mizrahi, 60, of Tel Aviv; Tali Gordon, 24, of Givatayim; Rahel Sela, 82, of Tel Aviv; Sylvia Bernstein, 73, of Hod Hasharon; Gail Belkin, 48, of Herzliya; St.-Sgt. Assaf Wachs, 21, of Holon.

    May 14 96
    David Baum, 17, a yeshiva high school student in Beit El, was killed when terrorists fired at students at a hitchhiking post at Beil El, near Ramallah.

    Jun 9 96
    Yaron (26) and Efrat (25) Unger, of Kiryat Arba, were killed when terrorists fired on their car near Beit Shemesh.

    Jun 16 96
    First-Sgt. Meir Alush, 40, an off-duty policeman, was shot and killed in a toy store in the village of Bidiya.

    Jun 26 96
    Staff Sgt. (Res.) Asher Berdugo, 22, of Kiryat Bialik; Sgt. Ashraf Shibli, 20, of Shibli; and Cpl. (Res.) Ya’acov Turgeman of Rishon Lezion were killed in an ambush along the Jordan River north of Jericho by terrorists who infiltrated from Jordan.

    Jul 26 96
    Uri Munk, 53, and his daughter-in-law, Rachel Munk, 24, of Moshav Mevo Betar, were killed in a drive-by shooting attack near Beit Shemesh. 30-year-old Ze’ev Munk, Rachel’s husband, was critically wounded and died in the hospital the following week.

    Dec 11 96
    Etta Tzur, 48, and her son Ephraim, 12, were killed when their car was shot at by terrorists near Surda, west of Beit El.

    Mar 21 97
    Michal Avrahami, 32, Yael Gilad, 32, and Anat Winter-Rosen, 32, were killed when a suicide bomber detonated a bomb on the terrace of a Tel Aviv cafe. 48 people were wounded.

    Apr 10 97
    The body of IDF Staff-Sgt. Sharon Edri, missing for seven months, was found buried near the West Bank village of Kfar Tzurif. Edri had been kidnapped and murdered by a Hamas terrorist cell in September 1996 while hitchiking to his home in Moshav Zanoah.

    Apr 25 97
    Hagit Zavitzky, 23, of Kfar Adumim and Liat Kastiel, 23, of Holon were found stabbed to death in Wadi Kelt.

    Jul 30 97
    16 people were killed and 178 wounded in two consecutive suicide bombings in the Mahane Yehuda market in Jerusalem:
    Lev Desyatnik, 60, of Jerusalem; Regina Giber, 76, of Jerusalem; Valentina Kovalenko, 67, of Jerusalem; Shmuel Malka, 44, of Mevaseret Zion; David Nasco, 44, of Mevaseret Zion; Muhi A-din Othman, 33, of Abu Ghosh; Simha Fremd, 92, of Jerusalem; Grisha Paskhovitz, 15, of Jerusalem; Leah Stern, 50, of Jerusalem; Rachel Tejgatrio, 80, of Jerusalem; Liliya Zelezniak, 47, of Jerusalem; Shalom (Golan) Zevulun, 52, of Jerusalem; Mark Rabinowitz, 80, of Jerusalem.
    Eli Adourian, 49, of Kfar Adumim, died of his wounds on August 11. Ilia Gazrach, 73, of Pisgat Ze’ev, died on August 29. Baruch Ostrovsky, 84, of Jerusalem died on October 3.

    Sep 4 97
    Five people were killed and 181 wounded in three suicide bombings on the Ben-Yehuda pedestrian mall in Jerusalem.
    The victims: Yael Botwin, 14; Sivan Zarka, 14; Smadar Elhanan, 14; Rami Kozashvili, 20; and Eliahu Markowitz, 40 – all of Jerusalem.

    Nov 19 97
    Gabriel Hirschberg, 26, was killed by automatic gunfire in the Old City of Jerusalem.

    Jan 6 98
    Yael Meivar, 25, died of gunshot wounds sustained in a terrorist attack on Dec 31, 1997 near the settlement of Alei Zahav in Samaria.

    Feb 11 98
    David Ktorza, 40, of Jerusalem, was stabbed to death near his home.

    May 6 98
    Haim Kerman, 28, was stabbed to death in the Old City of Jerusalem.

    Aug 5 98
    Harel Bin-Nun, 18, and Shlomo Liebman, 24, were shot and killed in an ambush by terrorists while on patrol at the Yizhar settlement in Samaria.

    Aug 20 98
    Rabbi Shlomo Ra’anan, 63, was stabbed to death in the bedroom of his caravan in Hebron.

    Oct 9 98
    IDF soldier Michal Adato, 19, was stabbed to death at Moshav Tomer in the Jordan Valley.

    Oct 14 98
    Itamar Doron, 24, was shot to death near Moshav Ora, outside Jerusalem.

    Oct 26 98
    Danny Vargas, 29, of Kiryat Arba was shot to death in Hebron.

    Oct 29 98
    Sergeant Alexey Neykov, 19, was killed when a terrorist drove an explosives-laden car into an Israeli army jeep escorting a bus with 40 elementary school students from the settlement of Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip.

    Jan 13 99
    Sergeant Yehoshua Gavriel, 25, of Ashdod, was killed when terrorists opened fire at the Othniel junction near Hebron.

    Aug 7 99
    The body of an Israeli, shot in the head, was found in a burned vehicle.

    Aug 30 99
    Yehiel Finfeter, 25, of Kiryat Motzkin, and Sharon Steinmetz, 21, of Haifa, were murdered whlie hiking in the Megiddo region.

    Not to mention Munich ’72. I could go on and on but I won’t, in your mind you see yourself as the arbiter of justice in an unjust world. You’ll find out at some time there are shades of Grey in everything, black and white solutions very seldom succeed in life.

    Your statement: “My last three posts are quotes from my final thesis at the Acadamy of Arts, which I just so happened to rhave eceive an “A+”.
    (snicker, snicker) So that means you’re smarter than who? You’re “Arts” dergree is shining through Mona, you might want to learn how to spell “Academy” or understand that Entomology (from Greek: entomon, “a insect”; and λόγος, logos, “knowledge”) is the scientific study of insects. This is the cherry on top of all your rants , (which I just so happened to rhave eceive an “A+” on) now all your foolishness makes sense, most of what you say is wacky to say the least but this last statement is so incredibly unbelievably trite and sophomoric that I’m surprised you let your gaurd down enough to mention it in this post. Having earned a “real” undergraduate and masters degree in engineering I must say that I question the depth of knowledge you’ve attained at the “Academy of Arts” (snickering again). I’ll bet that really pisses you off : ) Why do you think they call your degree plan a “liberal arts degree”? I’m sure you believe Rosie O’Donnell when she said, “the first time in history that fire has melted steel” in reference to the WTC buildings. At some time when you develop fully as a human being (many many years from now) you will look back at this angst filled time of your life with amusement and hopefully laugh at your youthful attempts to be taken seriously, we all do (some more than others) and you will too. Good luck to you and have a great time in Tel Aviv, don’t blow up anyone you don’t know.

  611. This is absolutely ridiculous. The gloves must come off. It is futile even posting here if i am to be side tracked by the likes of you. This is not a discusion board. You learned three or four phrases that u think makes you so unique. psuedo this, manifsto moda that, operatus cha cha cha.. Hehehe look how stupid you are.

    1.) Tedder’s say’s {lol}
    Entomology (from Greek: entomon, “a insect”; and λόγος, logos, “knowledge”) is the scientific study of insects. This is the cherry on top of all your rants ,

    2.)plus this one: He thinks I spelled Academy wrong. Check the definition people please.

    academy – an institution for the advancement of art or science or literature

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Academy+

    AAAaahh hha haaa haa. You are the one ranting and you have never looked up the word.. Heeee, he thinks it has something to do with insects. Ahhh ah ha.

    3.) Even my polite posts were remarked as being paranoid when all I did was talk about how the Jews are a beautiful race that shouldn’t be [lol] killing Arabs. ROFL-LMAO Ahhhhhhhh…LOLOLOLOL

    4.) Plus the part about you saying I guess you believe Rosie saying that this was the first time fire burned steel in regards to the WTC. Are you trying to lead people to believe that I think that the world trade center, like Rosie were brought down by anyone other than terrorists. What would Tedders believe since he is an engineer and fuel can not melt steel? That it was his government that did it?

    5.) WHY? Is every attack on me so incoherent, while you try and flex all your inadequate vocabulary. Even your attacking my spelling is totally baseless. Is this because of my name sake and that i pissed a whole lot of you guys off when I first started to post here? You were just waiting to give it me and it almost became the hate Mona comment page. Mr. Researcher go and fuck your self and while you are at it. Count how many entries are a goodbye to dip-shit and how many are Mona and her supporters related??? Go ahead.

    6.) You say you are surprised I let my guard down ???W??? What the hell for?

    7.) I bet you are just trying to find something to copy paste and hop back up with a witty comeback or something.

    8.) Thank you indeed Tedder’s for showing your true color’s.

    9.) Perhaps you should learn something instead of copy pasting trash like the assholes that were most probably righteously slain in cold blood for being hypocrites like you, preaching love yet holding dark and grave enmity as well as radical views. HOOOOOOOOLLY shit are bazonkers.

    10.) Yes dick-weed. YOU-! Yes over here, your 1000 or so names mean nothing to me. Compared to the names of all the people killed by your likes couldn’t even be fitted on the Internet you Jule.

    I have only two words for you.

    COS OMAK

    1. COS- means PUSSY
    2. OMAK- means YOUR MOTHER

    I know since you only speak and think in your one track mind, it is hard for you to stick these two words together. But let me translate. Everything you say or do, I only have one response to you. “YOUR MOTHER”S CUNT!”

    Try feeding on that you fucking Nigger killing , Jew loving Arab Killer. Get off the net Asshole…Don’t come around here no more.

    WARNING: Any attempts by the puppeteers will be dealt with great hostility.

    AhhhhAAAAAAAaaaaahhhhhhaaa

  612. Tom Katt says:

    You people have brought the phrase ‘Only retards arugue on the internet’ to a whole new level I did not think possible. I look forward to your self destruction HAHA.

  613. plus this one: He thinks I spelled Academy wrong. Check the definition people please.

    Go back to your post #654, next to last paragraph.
    Heheeheehhee,

    Here’s your quote (copy and pasted!):
    “my final thesis at the Acadamy of Arts”

    How dow “you” spell Academy Mona?

    MWHAAAAAAhaaahaaahhaa!

  614. woo big man, shit face…

    Ever heard of a typo Moron, I spelled it correctly every other time, wghich tells you I can spell, which makes your attacks dastardly. Anything below the belt, especially a woman., how sorry indeed.

    I am disappointed, what happened to your fake ass paragraph upon paragraph of fake ass intellect?

    Wait… What about everything else that you said which I outlined in my post # 656? How about it. Are you a man? I dare you to try and respond cuz it will be quite funny, everything you said was wrong, incomplete, false and unfounded. I mean just picture it, an engineer that probably gets paid for something reason or the other, trying to recoup from a string of faux pas such as the ones in the aforementioned post.

    Tom Katt?? What fight?? It is n’t even close.
    I outright put this sucker in his place. He had a little bit of credibility before he went tactically bonkers.

    His come back was this:

    How dow “you” spell Academy Mona?

    MWHAAAAAAhaaahaaahhaa!

    I mean really how lame is that?

    Off the net sucker and mean now!

  615. woops, another typo “wghich” in my second sentence,

    an engineer that probably gets paid for something reason or the other

    some is correct not something.

    plus my closing line should be off the net sucker and “I” mean now.

    Saving you the disgrace of stooping so low that you must try and pick out my orifice for spelling mistakes. And you call yourself a man, Jeeeesh!

    Any hows let’s stick to the theatrics I would really dare you to answer back to my post #656. Go for it and amuse us or stay off the net sucker.

  616. I outright put this sucker in his place.

    Sounds like another Arab “victory”! Go team! :D

  617. October 6th, 1973 ARAB-VICTORY-OVER-ISRAEL- On the Yum Skipper Holiday! So eat me…

  618. Hey Special Forces, I am going to the land of JUUU’s in a couple of hours. Could we finally exchange emails. I think it’s best that you leave your cuz of all the hermits that hate twosret & I here. Or I could just make temporary one and delete it after we exchange real emails. Off to Tel Aviv. Thank God for American Passports. I’ll check back in a day or two, hope to hear from you soon, it’s too bad we had to meat on a site as this which is so frequently visited by the “dull.”

  619. Mona's a twirp says:

    I guess zero sum gain means VICTORY in Arabic ya LOSER.

  620. Stop the Violence says:

    A Good call is to stop all the violence

  621. special forces says:

    I think the Arab victory Mona was trying to refer to, was that of the Egyptian Israeli 6th October war, also known as the Yom Kippur war. In this war Egypt initiated an assault on the occupied Sinai. It took place on the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur and caught the Israeli defences completely of guard as they took back nearly half of the Sinai.

    It was not a decisive victory for Egypt but allowed Egypt to show the rest of world that they are a force to be reckoned with. As usual the Israeli’s were aided by the west. The U.S. supplied the ammo, bombs, planes, tanks as did the the U.K. France supplied an obsolete portable canal crossing bridge that enabled Israel to cross over into the Egyptian mainland as well as having cordoned off an entire battalion of the Egyptian Infantry in the Sinai. This was more or less a war between the west and Moscow, as the Egyptian Army was fully equipped with the latest Soviet gadgetry such as Surface to Air Missiles (SAM 7′s) from the soviets along with their MIG fighter Jets and tanks.

    This differentiated Egypt from the rest of the Arab states that had lost land to Israel. The tactics and counter tactics of this war were phenomenal. Till this day, the tactics that took place by the Israeli’s and Egyptians is taught in military academies throughout the world. The tank battle was the largest of its kind in the history of warfare. The second biggest was between the British and the Germans in WW 2, which also took place in Egypt.

    I feel that Israel and Egypt have a pretty stable peace right now, inspite of the fact that Egypt made a lot of Arab enemies by doing so, but in the end they were pioneers, as Jordan followed suit. Also inspite of the fact that Israel is always in a heightened state of readiness which makes it’s other neighbors very nervous.

    I mean just imagine if there was a small rogue Muslim state that was surrounded by 20 or so belligerent Jewish countries. I for one would be pretty weary, with or without a couple hundred nuclear warheads and wouldn’t want to be amidst all of that.

    For you Mona, all I have to say is that I don’t think you should post here anymore. Reason being, although you have toned down your remarks a little, you can’t really expect people to turn around and love you after you defecate on them. A lot of your points I absolutely agree with but the way in which you deliver them is total martyrdom. I can also agree with a lot of the other people who need to polish up on their delivery tactics.

    I may receive very negative responses to this post, for the simple fact that I expressed the truth that Egypt gave Israel a run for their money, but I for one have learned from trial and error that it is much better to concede with whatever is said then to argue with them, as their are no decisive victories on the net. With your hate for Sandmonkey you ended up making his blog stay alive a lot longer than it would have without your hatred.

    I hope you have fun in Israel and you will be surprised by the fact that some Israel’s can be considered some of the kindest people in the world, even when they know you have Arab roots. You may think that they are brainwashed by their governments to be living so close to all the carnage but you will find that they actually condone it and deem it necessary. This is no different than how a lot of Egyptians condone a lot of the atrocities that the Egyptian government commits towards its own people on a daily basis.

    In the end you are only frustrating and hurting yourself by posting here. Please don’t go to Gaza these days as there is absolute chaos there, plus you better make sure you wear your veil lol. I hope you come back with a more positive attitude, at least as far as your expression goes, give peace a chance.

  622. Are you turning into a sellout ‘SpecialForces,’ I sure hope not. give peace a chance. What kind of crap is that, when they slaughter an entire innocent people when a handful of terrorists attack them. You don’t see The U. S. doing that to all the Arabs and they are on the forefront of fighting terrorism. British universities have boycotted Israeli universities and you should follow suit. I know that not everyone is bad here and that a lot of Americans agree with me. It is the job of the propagandists to make it look like the terrorists hold the same opinion as all every Arab in the world. Eat me…dude. I don’t have time for this, I wanna stay open minded and enjoy may stay here, as it is costing me quite enough. Later dude. I guess you are like that Meryt you were fighting with who just says fuck it, if you can’t beat them join ‘em, nu’ uh’ not me…I would die first. If they want peace then somebody had better show me.

  623. SF says:
    The tank battle was the largest of its kind in the history of warfare. The second biggest was between the British and the Germans in WW 2, which also took place in Egypt.

    The largest tank battle in history was the Kursk salient, or operation Citadel from the German side. The battle occurred in 1943 on the eastern front. All tank battles have come up short when compared to that struggle. The bloodiest battle ever fought was also on the eastern front, Stalingrad. The Germans were defeated. Encyclopedia Britannica estimates the total losses to be 1,900,000 deaths: 1,100,000 Soviets and 800,000 Axis losses (Germans, Romanians, Italians, and Hungarians.)

    Sf you are a bastion of reason, all of your efforts are taken seriously by me. Keep up the rational lucid communications and reject the nonsense from less disciplined thinkers.

  624. Egypeter says:

    Hey, I had no idea you guys are still hangin’ out here. I sorta stopped checking after the monkey stopped writing. Well, I hope everyone is well and it looks like things haven’t changed much. Which is a good thing :)

    I miss the monkey’s rants and the subsequent discussions afterwards but it’s a good thing I’ve found Facebook…

  625. Mona, I am blown away by some of the hostility you posses at times, as I am also sometimes in awe of it. As I said there are no decisive victories on the net Mona, can’t you get that, maybe you don’t mind that fact but it will only burn you out. Every time you have something worthy to say, someone will immediately attack you with your spelling mistakes or ridicule your writing style or even accuse you of being someone else such…whoever. If there were any decisive victories on the net, I would be one of the people fighting in them.

    You of all people are attacking me and accusing me of being a sell out after I was one of the few people to jump to your defense and champion your cause here, how could that be happening?

    Look at it like this, suppose Israel was not continually killing all those so called innocent people by accident as they claim. Would that better justify their existence a little?. The sheer fact that the land of Israel was taken by murder and mayhem is enough to nullify a thing or two, but having said that ask your self, what the options are. Do you know who these people are? I am not saying that it makes them right but just think about it rationally for a moment. The damage has been done. How it got this far is beyond everyone. You answered it wonderfully in your post above when you said that you believe it be from God, whether to prove that God gave the Jews a chance, but you can not simply generalize and accuse all Jews of being in one boat. When you said that God wanted to prove that he gave them a chance yet they continued to transgress although he favored them over all peoples of the world. The bottom line it is God, what ever his reasons are, it IS Happening, No?

    I mean look at the facts, countries that are absolutely against any nuclear proliferation are the same ones that helped give Israel the reactors to BUILD their own bombs. France with the heavy water reactors, Britain and the U.S. with gift packages of Plutonium etc. and the list goes on and on and on.

    Am I saying that Israel doesn’t have the right to exist? Well before attempting to answer that question, you must ask yourself this, where would you expect them all to go? The world will not sit by idly and watch another Holocaust. I believe that Egypt would be the first to aids Israel and attack Iran if they attempted to destabilize the region by attacking Israel in order to be in the gratitude of America and the world, as we are the pioneers in this respect. Wouldn’t that be a sight for sore eyes.

    Yes it is most unfortunate that the founding fathers of Israel founded this nation with murder, as it is also most unfortunate that for what ever justified reason, lives on the Palestinian side are still being lost almost daily.

    Therefore I can not thoroughly answer the question, does Israel have the right to exist in light of the above, just as I can not say that they do not have the right to exist, also based on the above. As there is only one other alternative if they are not to exist, and that is that they cease to exist and some how that doesn’t really seem like a practical option, even if they were defenseless. Yes I know they really have flagrant disregard to human life and used extreme and excessive force when people don’t really like this and try to do something about it. However there is a way that you can over ride this behavior, even you Mona.

    Let the late President Anwar Al Sadat be your mentor and take his actions as an example. Although he probably is responsible for killing the largest amount of Jews after Hitler, and is responsible for more Israeli casualties than any other person in history, he did it with honor in the theater of war. [please feel free to correct me Teddy if you feel that I am mistaken]this should be good. Yet he still made peace with Israel and hugged PRIME MINISTER Menachem Baygen, who had the blood of three times as many soldiers as well as civilians on his hands. He was even one of the Haggana terrorists that founded Israel and went house to house killing any Arab that didn’t want to relocate. Learn from Sadat’s actions Mona. Sadat was assassinated by terrorists that wanted more blood spilled. But once Sadat got our land back, he put it all behind him and everything was squashed. How’s that for being a bastion of reason.

    Till this day, there are Native Americans that can’t forgive white people for what they did to them, yet they do not blame ALL white people. Now they have their own reservations that were given to them way out in the desert before petroleum prospecting was very advanced. It is Ironic how most of these reservations ended up being situated right atop of huge oil wells. The lord works in mysterious ways you see. Imagine if these Native Americans used gun powder to make suicide pipe bombs? They wouldn’t have gotten an inch of their own land back. Likewise many people see Israel as the ‘evil reincarnate’ especially in the Muslim world, but have now come to terms with this so called evil in order for life to go on. Call it the lesser of two evils or whatever you may, but until there is a direct attack by Israel on me or my family then there is no war, there is peace. As far as you are concerned since you claim to be part Palestinian, all I can say is God help you all, but Egypt isn’t into fighting Europe, America and half of the world in order to help your cause. We are not Iran OK. We did our part and that is that. All we are interested at doing is not becoming victims of hostile aggression and that means defending ourselves accordingly.

    Yes, if Egypt were to fight another war with Israel I would gladly die for my country, but it shouldn’t be because of incitement from disgruntled Palestinian individuals. We got all our land back thank you, hope that Palestine, Syria and Jordan can do the same too one day but please don’t hold your breathe. Thanks to The Late President Sadat, and even President Mubarak, why do you think he is still in power all these years, he is a freaking War Hero.

    Israel is a nation that is backed by the power of wills, so they are not that stupid to wrongfully provoke a nation that has the ability to initiate substantial damage back, knowing very well that they would be dealing with an unprovoked nation that not only has the sheer resilience but the sheer will power to fight way beyond the death. A people that when their ammo runs out, will throw their guns at the enemy and even blow themselves up to inflict as much damage and as many casualties as humanly possible. Why because they are at full scale war. However since there is no war, the only way to move, is forward. Sometimes staying still and having a cold peace is way much better than ridicule. This is what numerous people have done here on this site. With few exceptions, they appreciate the voice of reason and the praises from their colonial masters, thinking that they are actually being taken as equals, although it is far better than sleeping in the slave house. I could name a few but I don’t want to get them started on me. That’s what I meant about it being better than to be ridiculed than have to remove all that damn ear wax, OK. These nuevo folks need to exist and be a part of the exceedingly unbelievably powerful Zionist supported crowd in order to get along with their lives, just as I have learned to do and Egypt has learned to do. However having said that, I am sure that once a shell hits near home, as when a Katyusha rocket does; all is out the window and I am not talking ‘Vista’ either that’s when all the gloves come off with their true colors shinning through.

    Till then, get a grip of yourself, as it won’t change anything. I like what you wrote about having compassion for the Jews after seeing images of the masses of naked dead bodies of holocaust victims, try to start from there and remember people that experience such carnage are lucky to get by with only having a few screws loose in their head, OK.

    I swear if you were Israeli, I would swear that you were Mossad. Otherwise you are on some kind of an imaginary Palestinian resistance force Play Station or X-box game. I even got to wondering maybe you are going to Israel to plan something nasty, who knows.

    So would you please do yourself a favor and not accuse me of being a traitor like those people who accused President Anwar Al Sadat, how would that look if we were once fighting on the same side then we end up fighting each other here? We would look like Hammas and Fat’tah, so analyze the world you live in, in a positive way and consider it an X-box game that you must get really good at till you enter the advanced levels, a game called, “A new world order with the likes of Zionism in it. Oh ya don’t get me wrong, but after taking the time to explain myself a little further and opening closed pages for you, I must tell you respectfully to just Chill the fuck out darling, I am not your enemy and no one tells me where to water my horse thank you…..

    Teddy, I acknowledge that the battle of Kursk by the German’s on the eastern front against the Soviets was one of the largest in history. However this is attributed to common knowledge but the point I was emphasizing is that -the 6 October War, naturally called the Yom Kippur war in the American military as it is also called by the side that America had battle test its weaponry, the Israel’s- is taught in Military academies throughout America as it was taught to us at Marine Corps Base at Quantico Va. Perhaps this was the largest tank battle involving American armory until the build up of the Gulf Wars, as this was taught way before any Gulf War. Perhaps they meant it was the largest in the Middle East, I don’t know.

    All I know is that I am of Arab origin and Egyptian as well as American. At best all I can do is serve both these countries the best I can and neither one of them is in a hostile state with Israel or any other nation, therefore I will not show hostility towards any nation but will also not stand by idly, if I can help it when someone with their insensitivity attacks a persecuted people and rubs in their face, the fact that their homes have been taken away from them, ha-ha-haa. Just as I would protect a Jew or an atheist or even you if you were getting un-rightfully pounded by the likes of anyone and I had the power to stop it, I am implying more or less to the Internet right now…

    Remember how a lot Americans were weary of Italians in the early seventies, as I can vaguely recall. Believing they had relations to the Mafioso’s and they were called Wops? Just as people were also weary of Jewish people, but times did change as you know and I guess now is the time of ’Islamophobia’ until people become familiar with what Islam is. Not just, honor killings, the veil and suicide Bombings etc…

    Here is a clip of one man in Canada that was anti Islam but was pro-life, to get you started, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qdd605GhVk so you can see how peoples search for truth may leave them with a brick house of ridicule atop their heads for their decisions and choices.

    Speaking of ridicule, I am not expecting that your eyes to overflow with tears as mine did when I first watched this clip back in the day or anything like that, but thought it is worth sharing none the less because I too didn’t want to hear anything about religion at one point in time. I would think that if you were sincere in your passion to Jesus, and were to ask yourself, “What would Jesus, think about what this guy is saying after he has covered his heart and ears because of stereotyping and misunderstanding of an entire religion, what would Jesus be thinking?” Would you let Jesus die in vain?

    This guy is saying Islam is a religion of evil and killing, its only purpose, is to spread evil on this Earth, this he genuinely believes until becoming familiar with the truth about Islam.

    The truth, that Islam is a real religion from God, the same God that sent Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Why would you persecute it just because you are afraid of it and have great misconceptions about it?

    Well that’s it for me for tonight. 3 or 4 pages, no matter how misconstrued they will be, are definitely enough for now. If you understood it, would you still persecute it?

  626. Mona or Special Forces? says:

    Oh my God, why did you use my name ‘Special’? Am I supposed to use your name now and say something on your behalf? If you were trying to get my attention, it worked brillantly, Ay kol i da aslan, where did you get off being so self rightous? When I asked if you were turning into a sell out, it was just mess with your head. I am glad in the end you can agree with a lot of my points and \I hope that you forgive me.

    I guess you really like writing huh? You know what just as there are a lot of people that hate Israel in Egypt as there is a lot of people who love it. The same goes on over here, although it is not as simple as that. I sense that a lot of people here are just trying to fool ya at times. Just as a lot of people in Egypt don’t even know why they hold such opinions, as they grew up having everyone around them think it. I have to go to sleep now. I am waiting for a reply from the infidels lol. I will re read your post tomorrow when my head is clear.

  627. It’s all good, everyone to their own. I respect your trying to lean over backwards a little to promote harmony. I realize that these people wont like me as I am also sure that you realize that this is not what I am looking for, I am actually against it. Until these people and the ones they support stop the hostility and start compensating the weaker side, I have no interest in that. I would rather continue to suffer with my people. I am sorry it has to be this way. About that email, forget it. I am no longer into that. Pitbull’s that aren’t game are put down. You have to be very game to hang with the likes of me or any people that is persecuted. Like Chechnya, even Israel was at one time, and they are tenacious. Catch my drift mr. sadat??? Peace is long over due…Get over your lust for me, it will be your downfall. You got to have an RPG, if you wanna be with me…

  628. special forces says:

    Mam’ma mia…..

  629. Adrian from Denmark says:

    Sam – you are not forgotten.

  630. SF says”

    “Perhaps they meant it was the largest in the Middle East, I don’t know.”
    Point taken.

    “not stand by idly, if I can help it when someone with their insensitivity attacks a persecuted people and rubs in their face, the fact that their homes have been tak