Oh Canada

PC-ness is soo gonna be the end of you:

Muslim women who are completely veiled
will still be allowed to vote in Canada, despite a new law
tightening up requirements for voter identification, a federal
elections official said on Thursday.


Veiled Muslims showing such photo identification will have
other options, Elections Canada spokesman John Enright said.

"Either you unveil, produce a second piece of
identification (from a list of identification approved by
Elections Canada) or get someone to vouch for you," he said.

Get someone to vouch for you, that you are the person in the ID, while Voting with your face covered? Ehh.. What? Am I the only seeing the voter fraud capabilities here?

How about you just hire a woman that the veiled lady can unveil in front of and can confirm her identity, or is that too much to ask? God knows we do that here, and we are an islamic country and all.


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  1. Roman Kalik
    September 7, 2007 at 9:30 am

    I agree, this is simply a stupid solution. It takes away from the elections security in exchange for minority appeasement. Is hiring one female voting area really that difficult?

  2. Memz
    September 7, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    SM and Roman, yeah there are possibilities of fraud. but really how many votes do you need to rig an election. Quite a fucking lot. Its a parliamentary system, so its votes per ridding. Ridding vary from 10, 000 to 150, 000 per ridding. So yo need to a lot of fucken ninjas to rig the election. And if i am managing the voting station and realize that there are 100s of ninjas coming to my station then you know i can start being more stringent.

    God damn it they dont even check if one is Canadian or not. Just show up with a drivers license and a secondary ID and go and vote.

  3. Roman Kalik
    September 7, 2007 at 3:56 pm

    Lost a ‘per’ in my reply there, should be “one female per voting area”.

    Memz, they’re not enough to rig an entire election, but they might as well wear a great big “USE ME FOR VOTING FRAUD” sign. They may be used as part of a larger voting fraud scheme, and you can be sure that they’ll come in handy in the event of very close elections.

    But in any case, there are many ways to cheat in elections, so adding a very obvious method to the list isn’t going to help, is it?

  4. michele
    September 7, 2007 at 5:35 pm

    In a parliamentary election, the effect of a small number of veiled women might not have an effect. However, some races are incredibly close and even a few votes could swing the majority. This is especially true in provincial and civic elections but it has been known to happen nationally as well.

    Political changes don’t just happen on a national level. I don’t want an islamic fundamentalist pro-sharia politician representing me on a school board or city council or in the legislature.

  5. tedders
    September 7, 2007 at 6:22 pm

    Rules if you want to work in Saudi Arabia:

    Things to expect if you are working in Saudi Arabia: _Your employer should provide the following: 3 meals a day, housing accommodations, and transportation costs from the point of residence to work location._Though it is deemed illegal in other countries, Saudi Arabia law requires an employee to submit their passports to their employers._Islam is the religion of the land. This is an important information that you should learn to respect, accept, and understand. Practicing of other religion is not allowed. This means that you cannot own or be seen having religious items like Bible or rosary_The whole Muslim community prays together at a specific time five times a day. All offices and establishments, private or public stop their activities._Ramadan is a month-long fasting for Muslims. Leisure activities like dining, smoking and others are not allowed during the day._A proof that you are not an illegal alien in Saudi Arabia is called ‘iqama”. This document must be carried at all times.__Apart from his husband, women are prohibited to communicate with members of the opposite sex. _There is a strict dress code for men and women when going out:_Women: Wearing of pants is not permitted. The appropriate attire is a full-length loose robe with long sleeves called “caftan.” When going out, an outer garment called “abaya” is worn over it. Veils are used to cover the face and a “burka” or “batula” to cover the hair. _Men: The appropriate dress is similar to “caftan” and it is called “thob”. A brown wool robe called “aba” is worn over it. Men cover their heads with a small skullcap and a large kerchief called “ghoutra”. _Married couples should bring the certificate of their marriage when going out together._Movie houses are not available in public._Gambling and alcoholic drinks is prohibited. _Non-Muslims cannot enter cities like Mecca and Medina as these are considered sacred places. _Don’t take pictures of mosques, airports, and military installations without asking permission. __Using and possession of illegal drugs entails severe punishment. You should register all prescribed drugs you are taking._Job Concerns:_The job contract should clearly indicate the following information: salary, job description, and conditions of employment. This document must be signed both by the employer and employee. __Regular working days are from Saturday to Wednesday eight hours a day. Friday is the Muslim holy day of obligation. Workers in certain establishments like hotels and restaurants may work up to nine hours a day. Overtime must not go beyond four hours. _Salary rates and working conditions in Saudi Arabia depend on one’s job position and the reputation of the company where one is employed. Better pay and accommodations are enjoyed by employees in professional field and in established companies._Working on rest days and holidays entitles one to an overtime pay of 150%. One month of paid vacation leave is granted for those who have completed a two-year contract. Likewise, workers who have completed a one year contract are given a 15-day leave with pay.__All foreign workers employed in a company with 10 or more workers should be given a social insurance. This does not include free health care services from government._Foreign workers do not need to file a personal income tax.

  6. Joanne
    September 7, 2007 at 6:59 pm

    Good to see you are back ranting, Sandmonkey….was a little worried about you.

  7. Joanne
    September 9, 2007 at 3:19 am

    Why don’t they just require that Muslim women got to a secluded corner or a closed booth and take off her veil in front of a female election staffer, who can then check her i.d.? Problem solved. 🙂

  8. N. American Princess
    September 9, 2007 at 4:54 am

    Totally nuts…u should see these women driving…I’m waiting to read about a major car wreck involving one of them…fyi…voter turnout in Canada is usually quite low…

  9. Roman Kalik
    September 9, 2007 at 6:02 am

    Good point about the voter turnout, N. American Princess. In low voter turnouts the “certain votes” become much stronger, regardless of their small numbers.

  10. Nomad
    September 9, 2007 at 10:34 am

    rules for Saudi living in Paris XVIe

    don’t wear a scarf, but sun ray-ban glasses

    any labelled garnment alike Christian Dior, Chanel, Christian Lacroix, JP Gauthier… is the smartest you could do for respecting the rules of a luxury life ; only frequenting 4* or 5* hotels and champs-Elysées cafés; your allowed every-day occupation is visiting the boutiques.

    your 600 m2 loft should be fitted with Fauchon products and a good champagne cellar

    a well-dressed maitre d’hotel for the service

    a note-book of high-standard call-girls should be available

    a big german car in the garage and a chauffeur…

    I am sure I forgot a lot of details that your imagination can easily fill

  11. N. American Princess
    September 9, 2007 at 7:38 pm

    The PM isn’t going 2 let this fly…but as the woman at the end of the article states…v. small %age of women here wearing niqab and of those, how many will actually go 2 vote…I find niqab quite unusual but I think it’s a person’s right 2 choose what 2 wear…it’s legal 4 women 2 go topless in public in Canada, so if they want 2 hide their faces so be it..but i agree they should have a female officer verify their identity…


  12. N. American Princess
    September 9, 2007 at 7:41 pm

    PM isn’t going 2 let this fly but as the woman states at the end of the article…v. small %age of people will be affected by this..v. few women wearing niqab in Canada..and of those..how many will actually vote…in any event the government will put Elections Canada in it’s place…


  13. Roman Kalik
    September 9, 2007 at 10:14 pm

    Interesting article, N. American Princess. I agree with you that anyone who wants to wear a niqab should be allowed to, but that permission ends when it contradicts legal identification procedures. Female officers would already be special dispensation for those unwilling to show their face to anyone else, but it’s still within reason. Bending electorial laws outright simply isn’t reasonable. At all. The actual numbers of such women are meaningless if fake niqabis can be brought for voting fraud purposes.

    When it comes to numbers, really, making a special dispensation of a minority of a minority of a minority, as the article stated, will probably do more harm (to Muslims’ image as well) than what little good it may aim for.

  14. Louise
    September 11, 2007 at 12:13 am

    Hey, Sandmonkey, you’re back!!! And so glad you weighed in on the stupidest of the stupid PC in Canada stories.

    Seriously, I have checked your blog many times, hoping against hope you would return, and presto!! I’m sooo glad to have you back. Don’t do that again, ya hear!!

  15. Jackp1ne
    September 11, 2007 at 12:41 am

    I don’t think women should be able to vote without removing their veil but at the same time this topic has been blown all out of proportion by the media.This will effect very few women if any and from what I can see the Muslim community wasn’t demanding this or even consulted before a decision was made.

  16. MemZ
    September 11, 2007 at 5:46 am

    I think every one has valid points. The thing is Canadian law does not require photo identification to vote. Therefore it doesnt matter. I think Canada and the world has better things to worry about, than a few hundred ninjas going to vote. All that aside, ninjas in Canada when surveyed, said they have no problem uncovering their face.

    But we can always depend on our fearless conservative PM Harper. He has already made a big deal of this ruling by Elections Canada. Of course he failed to remember, that it was his party that wrote this law when he was PM.

  17. Bald-Headed Geek
    September 11, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    Thrilled that you’re back, SM, and agreed completely.


  18. Bald-Headed Geek
    September 11, 2007 at 4:28 pm

    Tried to post my comment once, but “it didn’t take”. In any event………….Welcome back, SM! We out in the blogosphere missed you! 🙂

    And…………………..agreed completely on your point.


  19. Roman Kalik
    September 12, 2007 at 6:20 am

    MemZ, from the articles I read on the matter so far, the law passed by the Canadian government stated the exact opposite of what Elections Canada interpreted. The Canadian parliament did vote on a law requiring visual identification, thus your statement regarding the law in Canada (and accusing the PM of hypocrisy) is false.

    Elections Canada simply did the exact opposite of what the parliament passed. That’s why people, the Canadian PM included, view this as a big deal.

  20. Roman Kalik
    September 12, 2007 at 7:54 am

    MemZ, the law passed by Harper’s party does demand visual identification in elections. That’s why the ruling made by Elections Canada is so stupid. They interpret the law in a way that contradicts it completely!

  21. Roman Kalik
    September 12, 2007 at 9:49 am

    Damn, sorry for the double-posting.

  22. Jason from Toronto (now Calgary)
    September 13, 2007 at 6:51 am

    It’s not the few legitimate veiled women voting, cuz they’d probably only vote for who their husband/family tell them too anyways. It’s the fraudsters, whom you all seem to think of as purely women. If anyone remembers, one of the bombing suspects in London tried to leave the UK wearing this getup. That mosque situation in Pakistan even had a ‘cleric’ trying to escape veiled as a devout muslim woman. Time to stop the nonsense and ban the things. Next it’ll be the bank robbers and child molesters wearing these to facilitate their plans.


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