On New Muslims

Lou Lou had an interesting experience:

…but why do some new Muslims feel the need to denigrate their former
religion & culture & sometimes their own family &
upbringing? Why do they change their names to Arabic names? Don't they
realize that the majority of Muslims in the world are not Arab and do
not carry Arabic names? Who says names have to have religious
significance, anyway? A name is something you have no hand in,
something you're born with – like the color of your eyes. But it IS a
legacy of your parents & their love for you. And of your heritage.
I mean, my name has no religious connotations and I wouldn't give it up
for anything because to change it would be to hurt & betray the
people who brought me into the world.

Who has been telling these
people that being Muslim is synonymous with being a wannabe Arab &
spewing forth all sorts of anti-Western, anti-Hindu, anti-Jewish,
anti-whatever they used to be diatribes that any thinking person knows
are nothing more than prejudiced, xenophobic well, tripe?

Is it
just new Muslims? Or is it all new converts or born-again types? Maybe
it's just the excitement of discovering a new religion/culture that
causes you to think what you found is the greatest & so everything
else looks bad in comparison? Do converts eventually 'settle down'
& become more tolerant of their own past? Or is it an attempt to
prove their 'authenticity' to their new community that prompts them to
be 'more royalist than the King' sometimes?

I don't know. But
this phenomenon disturbs me. You see, Arabs are prejudiced enough
without new converts from other cultures feeding our cultural ego.
There was a time when I saw a role for new Muslims in opening up our
community & mentality. Perhaps, I thought, having brothers &
sisters join the Umma from other cultures would lead to more dialogue
& harmony & less of the siege mentality. I wanted new Muslims
to help give the Muslims masses a voice of reason they can easily
identify with.

So it really bugs me when a new Western Muslim
essentially sits around telling Arab Muslims Western society really is
as decadent & amoral & devoid of all good as our own media
likes to tell us it is and talking about the 'hypocracy' of Western
democracy. For the purpose of this discussion, I don't care about the
flaws of Western democracy. Of course it's not perfect. But it IS light
years ahead of us in terms of democracy & civil rights &
Western democracies are thus the best available role models around. To
tell us otherwise is to insult our intelligence and frankly, to
patronize us. It's like saying "Oh you know Whitehall isn't all it's
cracked up to be. You guys just stick with the likes of Saddam &
Mubarak & Gadafi."

This is not surprising, especially if you consider the people who do the converting themselves and the kind of stuff they tell them. I disagree with LouLou though, those who do join up and are anti-western were already anti-western to begin with. They just now have a good excuse for their feelings of alienation and hatred. Religion, in the cases of new converts, is neutral. You make of it what you wish, and Islam is no different. You want to go the route of Jihad, well, there is stuff for that. You want to go the route of Sufism, well, there is stuff supporting that as well. You choose if you hate or not, if you look down on western culture or not, and if you like Saudi or not. Plus, are we forgetting the idea that some people are just freakin weird? Maybe the idea of cutting off someone's hand for stealing appeals to them. Maybe Democracy is too much of a hassle. Maybe they don't like the baggage that comes from freedom of choice or manifest destiny. Some people love to be slaves in their sex lives, you don't think there are those who long to slaves for any ideology that will take them in real life? There are women who truly believe in Hijab people. Who view themselves as an evil lust-generating thing that must be covered, and they might've been born and raised in Amsterdam. Imagine the peace those women would find in Saudi.

Nahh, counting on new Muslims to change the outlook of Muslims is like expecting the new kids who just joined your clique in Highschool to change the social structure of the school and maybe hang out with the dweebs. Chances of it happening and succeeding ranges between 0 and 1%. So, yeah, no dice there. They will come in, and adopt the view of what they perceive to be the majority of Muslims (Thank you Media), which is jew-hating, western-despising misogynistic hateful diatribes and conspiracy theories. Until that changes, count the new Muslims in the "Problem" column, instead of the "solution".

Comments

  1. New converts to ANYTHING tend to be a bit on the zealous side, at least at first, and a pain in the a** for all concerned.

  2. I disagree…

    I am a New Jew…I have changed my name to Jesus, because Jesus is a Jew. I live in Southern California…now everybody thinks I am a Mexican.

  3. Lol:)
    Lol:)

    Interesting, never heard of a born-again-Muslim before

  4. Hmmm…I would think a New Jew would want to change his *last* name..like Steinberg or something..
    Hmmm is Seinfeld Jewish?

  5. Well, what do the majority of Muslims think?
    get organized, people!

  6. I read an article about people from India moving to NY and changing their last name to things like Silverstein and Jewygoldhoarder to try and gain an advantage in the workplace.

    I would say that anybody who converts to another religion is already crazy to begin with. If you are born into your families religion and accept it (most people do like their family and culture) and it’s obvious flaws that is one thing, but to try and change what and who you are by embracing something (any religion) that is obviously flawed in many ways by being really pious is a bad place to start. Also, alot of the people converting in the US are already in prison and they are getting “saved” by Saudi financed clerics. You are starting with crazy, stupid or criminal and adding religion. How could anyone not expect that person to be filled with hatred?

  7. The Zealot Convert is a very common archetype. When a person finds a new belief system, they think they have found all the answers, and are easily persuaded into an austere form of the belief system; how easy is it to just treat the holy book exactly literally and believe whatever the exotic bearded fellow tells you to?

    Damn easy. Especially for people who already have zero moral boundaries initially. The idea of community and shared belief is something amazing and mystical to them. Something new. Something special.

    And it is the converts that are the most dangerous – especially those that convert to Islam in the West. They already have latent hatred/Leftist issues anyway. Islam just gives them justification to act out on their insanity.

  8. I agree with Mike’s last statement. For what reason would Muslims want to convert violent, unbalanced criminals??? Christians want to save their souls, what do Muslims want for/from them?

  9. 7 & 8, it isn’t about any specific religion. Converts to Islam are pretty much the same as converts to any other religion.

  10. Regarding the change of names: I remember reading about the Islamic community in Caracas, and many of the new Muslims adopt a new name, it may not appear in their ID cards, but they prefer to be called by their name. Cases like Mohammed al-Colombiani, or something similar, just to say he was from Colombia and wanted to be named as the prophet.

  11. A friend of mine considered becoming a muslim. “If only I was a muslim”, she told me after complaining about all the choices she had to make. Which boyfriend to choose, what kind of work to engage in. She was kind of joking, but there was some element of truth in it. Those who choose to become muslims seem to be attracted by the strict guidelines islam offers, when they cant handle their freedoms and the complexities of life. They choose submission to authority.

  12. “Those who choose to become muslims seem to be attracted by the strict guidelines islam offers, when they cant handle their freedoms and the complexities of life. They choose submission to authority.”

    A person who is not fully human chooses slavery over freedom; chooses to abdicate their own thoughts to the control of others.

    It is as if they kill their mind while prostituting their body to another’s will.

    Sickening.

  13. I had a relative who worked in the New York prison system. He said the prisoners who were Islamic converts were the best behaved.

  14. you don’t expect everyone to have the same thoughts, you have people converting to atheism in islamic world, people who have been born and raised in very conservative muslim society, they still convert to atheism.
    It depends on what you have in mind, what have you seen through your life.

    Something that might not appeal to you might be other’s Utopia
    But you don’t blame them, all what you can do is provide what is right (from your point of view) and make it available for everyone, and it’s their decision to choose the way they want to go.

    Also, after all, if you look at it, IT IS democracy, they chose what they want to be\do :) didn’t they?

  15. Charafantah

    Yes they can choose, they can revert to Islam, but after that choice can they invert back to some other religion?

  16. Well, yes i guess so… there is nothing in Islam that should prevent them from doing so, beheading those who invert from Islam was not mentioned in the Quran or by the prophet Muhammed.
    Actually even if there is, logically, them not believing in Islam anymore should by hypothesis drop any Islamic law on them (since they don’t believe in it anymore – but hey! we are on earth, not in the binary world)

    So, yes they could, unless some pervert says otherwise and put them on some wanted list :)

  17. So, yes they could, unless some pervert says otherwise and put them on some wanted list
    There are rather large number of perverts in the ME and outside it, then. :-(

  18. It’s not the new Muslim’s I care about, it’s the established one’s, like this idiot.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=492460&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770&expand=true#StartComments

  19. I am a convert to Catholicism. I didn’t go through any phase of hating my previous church. I was taught to value my previous religious experience. From what I can tell that is actually fairly normal for Catholic converts. But the Muslim converts I have met do fit the type described in the blog. There seems to be something wrong with the religious education in Muslim converts. It seems to leave them open to all the worst currents in Islam. Thank the Saudis for that. I think I will just remain a happy Catholic. Drink wine and no chopping off hands lol.

  20. Jim,
    You see, there’s the difference. You went to catechism in order to be a Catholic. You would not be accepted unless you had full knowlege of what you were doing. All new muslims have to do is speak a phrase and the deed is done. There is no formal training, there is no one to ask you if you understand what you are about to submit to. No one cares if you are mentally balanced or mature enough to make life altering decisions. Read some Muslim convert stories and it won’t take long for you to notice a pattern of emotional instability in them. It is very interesting to compare these conversion (or reversion as they like to call them) stories to Christian or Catholic conversion stories. With reversion there is no one informing you that your life will now consist of baby steps until you eventually completely alienate yourself from your family and friends and even innocent activities you used to enjoy and maybe even excel in. There is no one to care if you know what you are committing to as long as the numbers go UP. It’s quantity over quality. At least that’s how it seems to me.

  21. “Read some Muslim convert stories and it won’t take long for you to notice a pattern of emotional instability in them”
    lol so true
    that’s exactly what i was going to say… Quantity is the main objective here.

    i don’t really get converting… why would u care to be part of any organized religion THAT much?
    And changing your name? how much do u hate yourself man?
    what a waste of time…

    i guess weak people have to feel they belong to “SOMETHING”, and the “God” Fraternity/Sorority welcomes all

  22. “There seems to be something wrong with the religious education in Muslim converts”

    Rephrase: There seems to be something wrong with the religious education in Islam. Period.