Marry an Israeli man, lose your egyptian nationality

Mofeed Shehab, the government's minister for legal and administrative affairs, has just clarified an important legal issue when it comes to Egyptian women: If they are married to an Israeli, and they have kids, the kids do not get the egyptian nationality, unlike their counterparts with Fathers from other countries. Why? Well, because, apparently, if they are married to an Israeli male, their egyptian nationality will be immediately dropped by the egyptian government. The same can not be said of egyptian males married to Israeli women, who continue to retain their nationality rights and their kids do get egyptian passports, even though their mothers are Jewish. Why? well, because we are retarded sexist pigs of course. Thought you knew.

However, egyptian women married to Israeli men shouldn't fret about being alone in the "Marry this man and your kids won't get a passport" category, because they are not. There is one other exception to this law, one other nationality that if our women get hitched to, their kids won't get an egyptian passport or nationality, and that's the Palestinians. In our own special way, we are making those two equals.

Nice, heh? 

0 comment on Marry an Israeli man, lose your egyptian nationality

  1. Roman Kalik
    November 29, 2007 at 9:07 am

    *sigh*

    Business as usual, it would seem.

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  2. Meg Q
    November 29, 2007 at 11:21 am

    Sadat lives!!!

    Actually, the *really* perverse thing here is that (as you probably know), in general, Judaic descent is matrilineal, i.e. it goes through the mother. So the child of the Egyptian father/Israeli (Jewish) mother gets it “all”, but the child of the Israeli father/Egyptian mother may have Israeli *nationality* through their father, but will not usually be considered Jewish by other Jews, nor will the child have Egyptian nationality as you say. So, if the Egyptian government is perhaps trying to prevent little Jews running around with Egyptian passports (I’m not saying they ARE . . . just *perhaps*), they are going about it in entirely the wrong way.

    Heh heh. I’m a big fan of the law of unintended consequences.

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  3. anna
    November 29, 2007 at 12:38 pm

    What about marrying an iranian woman? We don’t even have diplomatic relations with that country and it’s okay to marry an iranian woman. At least we have made “peace” with Israel. Why do we keep doing stuff like that if we made peace with them. I totally don’t get the palestinain thing either, i know we pretend to like them to peeve the west when deep down we don’t really, but i thought it wouldn’t be made too obvious.

    Where did u get this info. from?

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  4. yochanan
    November 29, 2007 at 12:50 pm

    wonder of wonders are people standing in line to get egyptian passports anyway?

    if i am not mistaken a muslim woman who marries a jew is haram or halal?

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  5. Charafantah
    November 29, 2007 at 12:52 pm

    Dude, there are reasons behind that.
    Reasons that your small mind cannot see…
    Reasons that are yet to be discovered by scientists…
    Reasons that if revealed, would cause a WWIII…

    متتكلمش فى مواضيع أكبر منك……لما تكبر حتفهم

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  6. Memz
    November 29, 2007 at 3:42 pm

    to #5:
    Are you like 10 years old, who uses “Dude” these days?
    WW3?

    and wtf with WW3? we ARE on track to WW3. The reason is religious people who choose to impose their religion and their beliefs on moderates and non religious people. So really SM and others are not the reason for WW3. So why dont you go poke someone on FB and leave this platform for people that actually care about this world.

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  7. Charafantah
    November 29, 2007 at 3:57 pm

    well….that was just me trying to be sarcastic…obviously one of us doesn’t have a sense of humor

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  8. Roman Kalik
    November 29, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    What, again? Right, *everyone* turn on their sarcasm receptors!

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  9. JAS
    November 29, 2007 at 4:37 pm

    Disenfranchisment of various groups prevents large numbers from participating in governments as voters. Always a resident somewhere, but never a voter.

    GAZA Net migration rate: 1.43 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2007 est.)

    So, some children born in Egypt are not Egyptian, but anyone who migrates to Gaza is a Palestinian, never mind an Egyptian name?

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  10. Jen
    November 29, 2007 at 7:21 pm

    Charafantah…dude, I get you. :)

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  11. leo
    November 29, 2007 at 8:33 pm

    “Dude, there are reasons behind that.
    Reasons that your small mind cannot see…
    Reasons that are yet to be discovered by scientists…
    Reasons that if revealed, would cause a WWIII…”

    Sarcastic or not it sounds strangely familiar:
    Q: Why?
    A: Just because.

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  12. jim
    November 29, 2007 at 9:58 pm

    face it, the Israelis are about the only people on earth today who think arabs are expendable, their land and their lives.

    if Africans were like arabs, south african whites would have continued to rule, and africans would have made peace with them.

    is there something wrong with arabs?

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  13. spellz
    November 29, 2007 at 11:59 pm

    I’m glade to announce that Iraqis are on the list 2

    and by the way they are discussing to prevent the marriage between the 2 nationalities at all
    in case u didn’t see dream’s program about Egyptian me married to Israelis
    u can go and marry the woman then the authorities will go and annoy u bust u for no reason refuse to renew ur wives visa till she travel to Israel and if went after her it’ll be hard for u to come again

    For me If I liked an Arab Israeli and he proposed I may accept it go there have like dozen of kids and help in changing the demography ;-D

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  14. JAS
    November 30, 2007 at 6:10 am

    Jim:

    The Israelis are far from “the only people who think arabs are expendable…etc.”

    Matter of fact, assigned refugee camps and subservient laws are found in every Arab state.

    There is no such thing as a refugee camp in the Western continents.

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  15. Don Cox
    November 30, 2007 at 9:57 am

    “There is no such thing as a refugee camp in the Western continents.”

    The Indian Reservations are essentially refugee camps.

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  16. JAS
    November 30, 2007 at 4:59 pm

    Don:

    Your claim is both ignorant and stated frequently–especially at blogs where little or no reseach precedes the chatter. In fact, Native Americans today have all the rights and privileges of every other citizen of the United States, and with regard to less (no property) taxation they have some benefits that ordinary citizens do not have.

    http://www.nativeamericans.com/WhoisanIndian.htm

    Native American legal standing today is NOT like the subservient, less than a bona fide citizen, situation found in Middle Eastern refugee camps.

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  17. Adam B.
    November 30, 2007 at 5:28 pm

    Heh, I thought the sarcasm in Charafantah’s reply was pretty evident. It might have been even more so had the text been

    “Reasons that if revealed, would cause a rupture in the universe…”

    …but hey! It’s still obvious. :)

    13: Jim:

    If anything, it’s the other way around! Except for the monkey and his like-minded, of course! Thank god for the monkey – he’s living proof that there’s hope!

    The entire israeli/palestinian situation arose from the fact that everyone else in the area saw the palestinians as expendable in furthering their own aims. Pick up a history book and check out the Syrian view on palestinians prior to WWII or do a bit of research on the jordanian treatment of the palestinians in their country. At least in the west they get the right to vote and the same rights as every other citizen…

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  18. z
    November 30, 2007 at 6:13 pm

    This isn’t new. Such laws re: citizenship are common in most Middle Eastern countries and a reflection of Arab tradition. This exists to a certain degree even in Turkey. Simply put: it’s partriarchy and the worthless fifth-class status of women.

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  19. Sumi
    November 30, 2007 at 6:22 pm

    I wish if Africans were like Arabs. we would still have Rhodesia as a UN member along with Israel. Hell even the KKK would have been a leading political party in the US, if Blacks were like Arabs. Yo gotta love the Arabs.

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  20. JAS
    November 30, 2007 at 7:05 pm

    Sumi:

    The KKK always was a worthless group of depraved individuals, many of those members devoted to Hitler. Political Potty is a more appropriate description than Political Party. The overwhelmingly greater U.S. population is their better.

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  21. anna
    December 3, 2007 at 9:48 pm

    the only thing egyptian passport gets you is a guaranteed stay in Mubarak’s state hotels should you express an opinion different to the prescribed one. It’s one of the most useless passports in the world, even arab countries ask you for a visa- what happened to friggin arab brotherhood and all that crap. Skin deep love ehy. So israeli guys, no need to worry that we won’t marry you.

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  22. Noor S.
    December 4, 2007 at 5:12 pm

    It’s a shame that this is all on a blog site rather than a news channel, these issues are much more important that a minister who doesn’t support the veil. What happened to equality?

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  23. Thrash
    December 6, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    Listen guys.

    I don’t believe that Princes Diana’s death was an accident (because it’s just too naive to be true). I suspect, like many others, that she was killed by the Brit royal family for obvious reasons. Because if she was gonna tie the noch with doody alfaied , she might give the royals a nice Muslim prince (not to mention part Arab) who might, in theory, become the English king one day.

    So if the English royal family is ok with preemptive elimination of possible future unwanted infiltration. Do you expect the Egyptian government to shy away from the same principle?
    At least the Egyptian government did not speak of ‘neutralizing’ women marring Israeli men!! :)
    Or would you rather have the Egyptian government take the approach of the Windsors :)

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  24. nony
    December 8, 2007 at 8:53 pm

    Thrash#25
    Diana & Charles were divorced. No child of Dina, whether fathered by Dodi or whoever, would have been in line for the Windsor’s throne. Speculations about her relationship with Dodi are just that, speculation. No one knows if he was only a summer fling following her Paki boyfriend, or if she ever intended to accept a marriage proposal.

    The general attitude towards Egyptian women who marry ‘outside’ is not very friendly. It is sometimes taken as an affront to the male ego.There’s a lot of suspicion of snobbery ( ” you think no one was good enough for you”), & even a bit of bedouin chauvinism. A man once said when he found out that I’m married to a Western man :” I knew we ‘took’ their women, but I didnt know they married ‘from’ ours”. Now for an Egyptian woman to top it up by marrying an Israeli man…

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