The Changing Tide

"It's like someone owns a house, and then his neighbours come with guns and try to take it over."

A Taxi Driver yesterday on the Gaza situation


"It's strange, everybody, besides the Islamists and the leftists, watching it had the same attitude, one of annoyance at the protesters and the Gaza situation. The general attitude was 'Those people received better treatment from the egyptian government then we ever did and they receive more money than us, why protest over their rights? Shouldn't our rights take precedent?' "

A journalist friend of mine covering a Pro-Gaza protest at the Book Fair


"So yeah, we received a high alert warning. The Police said that they are looking for about 30 hamas and islamic Jihad elements that made it through and they are looking for them all over Egypt. Great being me today, huh?"

A manager friend of mine who works at a prestigious 5 star hotel. 


"Raped!"

An egyptian, Christian and very patriotic female friend of mine's response when I asked her how she feels about the Gaza Border situation. 


"You know what's going to suck about all of this? You will turn out to be right about this all along and we will never hear the end of it."

A Pro-Gaza friend of mine, his support wavering of late. 


"We have long sufferd from Having Egypt play ' the Big Sister', and we are against this humiliating role that forces on Egypt obligations and sacrifises without any compensation in return. On the contrary, in the  countries of his alleged brothers, the egyptian received an almost racist treatment apart from all the other nationalities. And we are willing to give up the role of the 'Big Sister'- which has caused us great poverty- to anyone who wants it, and we hold on to one principle only: Egypt is for the Egyptians! "

Ahmed Ragab, Al Akhbar Newspaper, yesterday 

0 comment on The Changing Tide

  1. Egyptian in Germany
    February 5, 2008 at 11:48 am

    Hi SM,

    I fully agree with your and the comments quoted. There has to be secure borders and nobody should be allowed to come and go at free will. Wish Egypt take a strong stand and start enforcing.
    Egyptian in Germany

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  2. satiricohen
    February 5, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    Looks like Egypt is caught in the web of its own rhetoric. Interesting to see how your country will get out of it, if at all.

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  3. Louise
    February 5, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    I know it’s very serious and all, but this one made me laugh out loud.

    “You know what’s going to suck about all of this? You will turn out to be right about this all along and we will never hear the end of it.”

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  4. Smarty
    February 5, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Egypt has been using the Pali’s as pawns, just as the rest of the muslim world has. About time Egypt got bit by its own rabid, greedy and shameless dog. Forgive me for mixing metaphores.

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  5. Siddharth
    February 5, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    I think you should can the treaty which prevents the army from involving itself.

    This is a threat to your Egyptian identity.

    To put it simply, Egypt has become Gaza’s bitch.

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  6. perry
    February 5, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    Egypt should occupy Gaza. They’ve got a beach.

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  7. Feckless Badger
    February 5, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    The Pali’s have the eyes of the earth on them and have for years. Thats why they aren’t starving to death. The world is protecting them for some reason beyond my understanding. Why then won’t they pull themselves up by their boot straps and form some type of respectable back bone and NOT ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BE THE PAWNS OF THE EARTH. They have more than enough “aid” and the rest of the world would jump to their defense if they tried AT ALL to TRUELY and RESPONSABLY stand up for themselves. They have all the support they need to rid themselves of their nasty govt. but appear to desire conflict instead. They seem to hate others far more than they love themselves. How can you help a people that don’t want to change?Meanwhile political correctness and/or our own desire to “look at the car crash” has us all pointing fingers at each other instead of looking at the real issue (that they would rather be in this situation than not). They need to be dealt with like spoiled children in my opinion.

    Yes… I know… I can’t spell. No need to point it out.

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  8. Howie
    February 5, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    SM-

    I will say it again…

    This will blow over in 4-5 more weeks. Then the Left and most of the Arab world will kiss their asses, send them money, and talk about how Israel made them do it.

    Any takers on the bet?

    By-the-way..

    I have a question…How is it that the American and European Left tends to support these types (Hamas etc.) when they support everything the Left is against:

    Abortion
    Women’s Rights
    Children’s Right
    Religious coercion
    Violence
    Free speech
    Education of women
    Sexual expression

    And I could go on and on…

    Can you help here SM?

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  9. Howie
    February 5, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    By the way…Feckless Badger kind of anticipated my question…partially anyhow…and I agree with him…

    If the Pal movement would just clean up their act (another suicide bombing yesterday in a mall, which of course was filled with dangerous Israelis…like kids and old ladies etc.)they would have the support of most of the world, including a huge chunk of Israel.

    But…as has always been the case…the macho dreamers of the great victory march on and led the movement…straight into hell.

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  10. Don Cox
    February 5, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    My recollection is that Gaza was a part of Egypt until relatively recently. Doesn’t Egypt want its territory back again, now that Israel has finished with it?

    It is impossible to understand why Israel is providing fuel and medical facilities to an enemy population. Support for the Gazans should come 100% from Arab countries. (Which may not include Egypt.)

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  11. darrell
    February 5, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Unfortunately, howie is right on the money. American/canadian feminists, for example, march in the streets about how hard done by they are. When Germaine Greer, feminist icon, was asked why her and other famous champions of ‘women’s rights’ had nothing to say about the biggest women’s issue, female genital mutiliation in the mid east, she said that the issue was ‘complicated’ and ‘none of our business.’ here’s a piece about the brainwashing of palestinian children.
    http://www.darrellepp.com/?p=35
    and here’s a piece by our former justice minister about the forgotten jewish exodus
    http://www.darrellepp.com/?p=46
    and us election stuff
    http://www.darrellepp.com

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  12. Blastic Man
    February 5, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Glad to see a national editorial finally reflecting what virtually everyone believes: Egypt first.

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  13. Feckless Badger
    February 5, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    I think that the American and Europian lefists are just a bunch of self serving, self important, self tauting, self-ish unthinking money and attention grubbers that are unwilling or incapable of looking past them SELVES and their current wants to SEE what is actually going on around them. They truely come off as fools. It is an EASY way to “think”. They can “stand” for something without having to REALLY STAND for something. They are so int themselves that they can’t even fathom that thinking people see them as anything other that regal.

    As for the Palis… Why do WE keep LETTING OURSELVES get caught up in who should do what? I am responsable for MY SELF… You are responsable for YOUR SELF…. Why do we NOT hold them to the same rule.

    In my opinion the suicide bombers would get much more attention for their “cause” if they only blew themselves up with no colateral dammage….
    You know… “I am killing my self publicly because… (insert complaint)
    The left would trample each other to be the first to cry about it on t.v. lol

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  14. Aardvark EF-111B
    February 5, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    #8 – Feckless Badger
    [[They seem to hate others far more than they love themselves.]]

    For 70 years of Palestinian “struggle” , they created an Anti-Israel identity using all molds available ((Patriotic, Leftwingist, Nationalist, Baath-Nationalist, Pan-Arabist, Leftwing-Islamic, Islamofashist, Wahabist, Irano-Revolutionist-Hezbullawists, MB-Pan-Islamist)) rather than having a true ID of a “Palestinian People”

    they become too professioned in their [PAWN] career to remember their true cause

    [[They need to be dealt with like spoiled children in my opinion.]]
    speachless…….no comment

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  15. Howie
    February 5, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    Added prediction;

    The Palestinians have screwed up as usual and will come out of the entire thing looking like heroic victims…

    Their damage and abuse in Egypt will be re-written as; desparation secondary to occupation and that, they really were not trying to hurt the nice Egyptians…the Israelis made them do…and the vast majority of Egyptian society well say…”yes…poor damn Palestinians, damn those Israelis”…

    Ho Hum

    I still give it about 3-6 more weeks.

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  16. christina/ohio
    February 6, 2008 at 1:08 am

    The American left and European left are afflicted with guilt about what they have so they must hate everyone and everything that represents that. Think of them like spoiled children who hate their parents for all of the gifts they have been given and then it will make sense (or atleast as much as it ever can?) to you.

    You are right, SM, it was an act of war on Egypt. The big question is what will Egypt do about it? Or more what about next time? IMHO every country in the world should have the right to protect it’s borders against invaders. Atleast the Mexicans crossing our borders daily don’t strap bombs to themselves, I worry for all of you!

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  17. Feckless Badger
    February 6, 2008 at 4:48 am

    I’m probably wrong about this but I thought ‘Palastinian’ was an ancient Roman slur against all people living in what is now Isriel… including the Joooz.
    Why would people call themselves something like that !?Please corect me (not my spelling… please… I know its bad) if I’m wrong. I was too stupid to take advantage of the education system here when I was younger.

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  18. Craig
    February 6, 2008 at 7:17 am

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines

    Read it for yourself. But keep quiet about it, lest people call you a racist :)

    This is the relevant and non-sensitive portion:

    The Arabic word for Palestine, فلسطين‎, which is pronounced “Falasṭīn,” derives from the Latin term Palaestina. After the Bar-Kokhba revolt of the Judeans and the subsequent Roman repression and exile, the Romans renamed the entire district of Judea “Palaestina” as a mark of insult to their defeated enemies. This is because of their knowledge of the region’s history and the fact that the Philistines and the Israelites were warring peoples. The Arabic language’s lack of the “p” phoneme, and the tendency to arabacize the “t” and “k” of foreign words as the corresponding Semitic emphatic consonants, resulted in this nomenclature after the Muslim conquest brought Arabs to the region in 636 AD, often used interchangeably for the entire greater Syrian district (Arabic: “Shaam”).

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  19. brooklynjon
    February 6, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    What’s interesting to me, at least, is that the term “Palestine” pretty much disappeared with the Muslim conquest 1400 years ago. Once the Romans were out of the ME, the area that is now Israel and Palestine or whatever just became a part of whatever empire ruled the roost at that time, at least until the Crusader Kingdom, which was named the Kingdom of Jerusalem, quite inaccurately for much of its existance. Therefter, Israel/Palestine was again just a part of the Empire du jour until World War I. When the Brits took it over, they had to call it something, and the last realistic name it had was the Roman Palaestina (which as Craig accurately notes was meant as a dig to the Jews in 135), so they anglicized it to “Palestine”. Thus “Palestine” and the “Palestinian People” were born. Had the Romans not bothered to change the name, it would still have been referred to by its original Roman name, “Judaea.” And our friends in Gaza would now probably be called “Judeans”.

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  20. Feckless Badger
    February 6, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Interesting. Thanks Craig.

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  21. Spanish Dancer
    February 6, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    “I have a question…How is it that the American and European Left tends to support these types (Hamas etc.) when they support everything the Left is against”

    This is such a good question, and one I have been asking myself so much lately…I have always been a…well, these days I hesitate to say “leftist,” but a liberal, in the sense that I believe in all those things that you listed as Hamas being against – which is why I have also always supported our post-9/11 invasion of Afghanistan and the existence of the state of Israel, and been against religious fanaticism of all stripes!

    But these days, it is becoming increasingly difficult to relate to my fellow “liberals” anymore, on issues like these, as they tend to be so consumed with abstract, undergraduate -”cultural studies” – major outrages and forcing every international issue into one single model of power discrepancy (U.S. and Israel v. humanity) that they turn a totally blind eye to human rights violations among peoples who are “oppressed” by American/Israeli imperialism/cultural oppression/capitalist greed/fill-in-the-blank.

    Sometimes when people lose a war/fight/struggle, it is for a good reason (and sometimes it really IS imperialism/oppression/fill-in-the-blank!)…but I wish other so-called Western “liberals” wouldn’t just automatically embrace the hypocritical, BBC-style sanctimony on every single issue, without even thinking. It’s like Chris Rock said, “be a human being!” Don’t just spout the party line all the time…

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  22. Howie
    February 6, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Dancer-

    I consider myself an independent former Democrat. I voted Democratic 100% since 1970…I finally voted for ARNOLD…

    But the Left “left” me years ago. I have no great love for the Right either. But on this subject…the Left is irrational, hypocritical and blinded by emotion.

    They hate Israel because;

    1. They are mad at the Right in general
    2. Palestininans look like the repressed underdog
    3. Palestinaians hate the USA and similar countries like they do
    4. THey have been suckered and still think they are fighting the black civil rights movement of the 50′s and 60′s when they clearer had the moral higher ground.

    Are the Hamas types for such LEftist favorites as?

    1. Liberalized drug laws
    2. Women’s rights
    3. Freedom of speech
    4. Women’s protection from male abuse
    5. Children’ rights
    6. Freedom of press
    7. Abortion
    8. Cloning
    9. Stem cell research
    10. Care about global warming
    11. Freedom to dress as you please
    12. Right to drink if you like
    13. Non-violence
    14. Freedom on religion
    15. Use of torture

    Dancer…should I go on…I could…but I have to work. But does anybody here see there is a big fucking problem with this shit?

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  23. leo
    February 6, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    What about smoking?! Do not forget smoking!!!

    Because of these Hamas screwballs I cannot move to Gaza now.

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  24. brooklynjon
    February 6, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Howie,

    The left doesn’t care about freedom of speech. Quite the contrary. They generally only want freedom of THEIR speech. That’s what political correctness is all about.

    Women’s protection from male abuse? Two words. Monica Lewinsky.

    Freedom of religion? Only if you are irreligious. They don’t want anyone to be free to actually practice their religion.

    Use of Torture? Have you ever taken a Women’s studies course?

    The Left has never been about freedom. They only have an interest in being free to be like them.

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  25. Howie
    February 7, 2008 at 3:17 am

    BJ-

    The Right pulls the same shit…that is why I have completely abandoned party idealogy and try to just think for myself…

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  26. brooklynjon
    February 7, 2008 at 5:39 am

    Howie,

    Good for you. Me too.

    I’m still reeling from being called a racist in college because I wrote an op-ed piece pointing out that divestiture from South Africa may well result in mass starvation of blacks, which may not be what the blacks of South Africa want. People stopped talking to me. Bastards!

    Individual right wingers certainly do the same crap, but on the left (the smug, intellectual left crowd that I’m drowning in), it’s built into the ideology. When “Republican” morphs into an all-purpose curse/insult (“How dare you steal my parking spot, you Republican!”), you know you’ve got trouble in your democracy.

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  27. Howie
    February 7, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    Bj-

    Folks should think issue-by-issue…not blindly following some idealogy…it took me years to figure that out…good for some of you that figured it out at a young age.

    Though I often disagree with him…I have to admit it was Dennis Prager that super influenced me in this area…even though he has pretty much become a right-wing idealouge…But in terms of critical thinking and examining an issue…I did learn a lot from him…

    If you have not read it…read “Think a Second Time”. Even if you don’t agree with much (I disagreed with several things)…the systematic thinking and evaluation is well done.

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  28. brooklynjon
    February 8, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Howie,

    I added it to my Amazon cart. Now I just have to find the time to read it!

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  29. Howie
    February 9, 2008 at 2:03 am

    BJ…

    And if you have not read “Towards a Meaningful Life” by Schnerson…you are missing out…

    Then Code Name God or the God Code…by some Indian dude named Manu or something like that…dude helped invent the technology for laser eye surgery…then turned mystical with a strong metaphysical overtone…what a fascinating read…though it gets into string theory and quantaum physics…

    I flunked 9th grade Algebra 2x…so I did struggle in parts.

    Let me know what you think of them if you read them…but Shnerson’s book amazed as it really was not a big religious lecture…but more philosophy, psycholgy etc. Rebbe or not…he was one smart dude and way more multi-faceted than I ever thought…

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  30. Howie
    February 9, 2008 at 2:06 am

    BJ-

    “I added it to my Amazon cart. Now I just have to find the time to read it!”

    Seriously…the book changed the way I looked at things. Again, I did not agree with all his stuff, but the analytical and critical thinking was powerful…

    Dude basically is enormously annoying…I have seen him in person several times…but he had a huge impact on my life…kind of an odd thing.

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  31. brooklynjon
    February 9, 2008 at 3:18 am

    Being annoying is an effective way to get people to remember what you’re saying. Like those stupid “Head On” ads. Or .

    I’m sure the rebbe was amazing. Some of his followers give me the creeps, tho.

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  32. Howie
    February 9, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    BJ

    I ain’t no orthodoxer meself…but that book took me very much by surprise…

    Chabad…that is a very interesting subject…I have plenty to criticize about them…but at least they are out doing something…

    “wait for a perfect friend and you wait a lifetime”

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