Wikipedia is right!

I am with Roba on this one!

Comments

  1. I’ll get the matches, you get the flags. Since Wikipedia isn’t a country I’m thinking we just blame this one on Denmark.

  2. SAM,
    I was hoping to read something from you on this
    http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/02/17/45772.html (in English)
    Poor writer! Is the Egyptian press saying anything about that?

  3. Sam,

    Long time, no talk. This is your dear Psycho Sicko American friend, the guy who worked with you a few years ago to cook up our Arab Parallel Universe theory, which has now been accepted by the international astrophysical and cosmological community. We’re currently on the short list for a Nobel Prize. Last time we lost out to the Goracle — he must have been in Wisconsin yesterday, as temperatures dropped and several inches of snow got dumped on the state.

    I’m still fighting in the marshes. Here’s my latest blog entry:

    Let’s Look at the Numbers, Okay?

    As ever, your friend in snark and a devoted fan of the Sandmonkey.

    *

  4. brooklynjon says:

    I just had a delicious lunch which included cheese from Denmark. In my family, we’re calling it “Freedon Cheese”. Cheese never tasted so sweet.

    And SM, you’re on the money with Wikipedia.

  5. “Freedon Cheese”

    indubitably.

    I say we all go on a buying spree of all things Danish to show our support.

  6. I also like “freedon cheese” with “Danish Beed” Tuborg : )
    Viva Denmark

  7. brooklynjon says:

    Oops. Actually, that was “Freedom” cheese. Not “Freedon”. Maybe I hit the Tuborgs too early. ;-)

  8. I am allergic to cheese , so i cant have the pleasure u guys are having!what other products might i find?

  9. Yo Sam.. did u read this article :D :D??

    http://www.filfan.filbalad.com/News.asp?newsid=7716

    so apparently u guys were making shit up ;) .. has she NOT seen the flyers :P ???

  10. I was profoundly disappointed to find out a few months ago that the liquor stores where I live no longer stock Tuborg beer. That’s the best damned beer I’ve ever consumed. I’d be happy to become a regular drinker of it, just to support the heroic Danes, but alas, I cannot.

    And SM, when I click on the A.P.U. link in your sidebar it takes me to your old blogspot site but it doesn’t stay there. Within a second or two it bumps me back to your http://www.sandmonkey.org site. Does this happen to anyone else? I’m very disappointed that I can’t read it anymore.

  11. bj,

    I just don’t understand the pleasure you get from some newspaper in the Danish world insulting a prophet of yours…..I’m assuming Moses? or whoever you believe in. I recall that Gulliani in your neck of the woods was insulted by many during his term who insulted Jesus and Mary.

    It is not like you or at least how you sound on the blogs.

    I never understood or asked why Muslims doesn’t approve of a picture of the prophet Mohamed but if those were true historical paintings then it has to remain there.

    I don’t understand how Wikkikiikkii became a source of history all of a sudden. Wikkikkiii is only for dumb lazy fools. What happened to history books?

  12. brooklynjon says:

    Two,

    It’s a fair question. My beloved Rudy never suggested that the offensive paintings should not be shown, and certainly never suggested that violence against the artist or against property was appropriate. What he objected to – fairly in my opinion – was the public funding that the museum was getting for the exhibition. Free speech offers no protection against being offended, but people shouldn’t have to PAY to be offended.

    On the other hand, there are those who feels that offensive speech should not be allowed, particularly when it offends THEM. (They generally have no problem offending others.) But, of course, if speech is inoffensive, why would it need to be protected. The only point of having freedom of speech is to protect offensive speech.

    I’m a Libertarian, and I believe that free speech is good and necessary in its own right. Like all rights, if it is not exercised, it disappears. The biggest threat to freedom that I see right now is militant, reactionary Islamists who want to promote their agenda by using fear to silence their opponents. The best response to that is to loudly and famously declare oneself unafraid. Denmark has done that, has suffered for it, and needs to be supported by all freedom-loving people.

    I don’t agree with everything you say, Twosret, but so long as you threaten no one, I will fight to defend your right to say it.

  13. http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/dec1999/sens-d29.shtml

    1- You are wrong about Rudy he did try to shut down the exhibit ‘Sensation”.
    It was cancled in other countries like Australia
    2- The topic on hand clearly says that there were 180,000 signatures (not swords) that were obtained to remove the photos as it is obviously offending muslims
    3- You injected your cheesy cheese comment to point at Islamists.
    4-Denmark has to suffer from freedom of speech when their newspaper again and repeatedly print those offensive photos 2/15/08. If they suffer economically for giving hell to muslims then let them pay the price for it and not cry baby when they don’t get money from the muslim world. Let them sell their freedom cheese to Israel.
    5-Amazing how you saw only Islamists the biggest threat to freedom when there are many aggressive forces that you chose to ignore to point the finger at Islamists

    We agree on one thing though violence and threats doesn’t resolve or help in anyway most wars ends up to be brutual and real people die.

    Ditto on last statement I don’t agree with you either and as long as you don’t threaten no one, then I will be nice to you and fight for your freedom of speech. I remain silent on some comments because they are so outrageous and false and doesn’t deserve energy or 500 posts.

  14. brooklynjon says:

    1- Giuliani’s objection was that it was in a publicly funded museum. When Piss Christ showed at the Whitney (privately funded) he said nothing.
    http://www.artsjournal.com/issues/Brooklyn.htm

    2- There are two issues, really. a) It’s offensive. b) Sharia prohibits any depiction of the Prophet.

    a) Lots of stuff is printed that offends Jews, and if anyone complains, there is an explosion of comment that the Jews control the media, and the Israeli Lobby controls speech, and blah blah blah. Besides, offensive speech is protected speech so long as it is not threatening speech. Expression that I find offensive must be tolerated, so long as I am allowed to counter it.

    b) Sharia does not apply to non-Muslims. If Muslims are keen to impose Sharia on everyone, then they should be cool with Jews imposing Jewish law on everyone. Kiss that cheeseburger goodbye!

    But I’m not sure what you mean by “the topic on hand”

    3- My cheesy cheese comment was a reflection of my part in an attempt to thwart the Danish boycott that happened the last time the cartoons were published, and that I assume will be coming soon. People are, of course, welcome to vote with their economic feet and boycott. And I’m free to purposely buy stuff fron Denmark to have the opposite effect. All who love freedom should do the same, IMHO.

    4- No need to ship their cheese to Israel. I’ll buy it in NYC.

    5- The only people I know who respond to films they dont like with politically motivated murder are Islamists. If you know of any other, I’m all ears.

    I’m stuck at work. I can’t wait till morning so I can have some Havarti. :-)

  15. Twosret, I’ve NEVER been able to understand why you are the ultimate defender of the Islamists? I’ve been reading this blog now for years now and have yet been able to figure that one out. You consistently seem to always always side with the Islamists on every single issue. It’s so weird to me.

  16. Oh didn’t see the response of BJ I will be back with an answer :)

    Egypeter,

    siding with Islamists LOL! you really make me laugh hard.

  17. Well, aren’t you doing that right now?

  18. right now? nope right now I’m making a Moroccan tagine to feed my family.

    Are you out of your mind or something?

  19. While I’m sure it will be delicious I’m partial to Egyptian cuisine. Molokhaya and kosharey for me, thanks :)

    Now, back to the point. Let’s just take a look at your points in your discussion with BJ:

    -Are you comparing “censorship” in NYC to the ridiculous behavior of Islamists in the Arab speaking world? You seem to be equating that stupid Piss Christ issue with the Danish Intifada. You can’t be serious? All religions are fair game in America EXCEPT for Islam. Have you EVER seen Family Guy?? I can’t help but chuckle to myself and wonder what would happen if a Muslim equivalent ever came out in Egypt. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think there have ever been any fatwas issued on the life of Seth MacFarlane or that stupid Piss Christ guy.

    “-Amazing how you saw only Islamists the biggest threat to freedom when there are many aggressive forces that you chose to ignore to point the finger at Islamists”

    -Correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s probably a veiled reference to the Great Satan or maybe just the Little Satan, or maybe both?. Please tell me I’m wrong Two but I’m pretty sure I know where you stand regarding the US and Israel. Twosret, do you really believe that the US and Islamists (And by “Islamists” I mean Hezballah, Ikhwan, Hamas, Taliban and the rest who advocate for ANY form of that dreaded Shariah) are really the same?? Ok, how about this, do you believe that the Islamists and the state of Israel are the same?

    You see, none of it makes sense to me. You do live in the United States, right? You are originally Coptic (meaning from Egypt), right? I just don’t get it, sorry. Did you see that awesome “Yuka” (Alaa) character on American Idol who just came from Egypt?? He couldn’t sing for shit but was so damn excited to be here, God Bless that guy!!

    I needed to get this off my chest as I’ve refrained from asking you on your positions in light of your epic battles with Craig. To be honest, I’m pretty sure I’ve personally sided with him in all your disputes, minus all the anygry stuff of course, I’m just talking about the points.

    Oh, and I’m definitely not “out of my mind,” I’m pretty clear headed :)

  20. Did he say from the hair to the nipple? nipple? Jesus Christ! I love American girls LOL! you know he is sweet poor guy.

    Egypeter don’t try to read too much into what I write I suggested scroll down :)

    The difference between us that you stick with Molokhia and I try new things like lamb tajine with prunes and apricots served on a bed on couscous with almonds.

    Go ahead and let everything off your chest Egypeter don’t worry man ;)

  21. Nah, that’s all, I’m good Twosret. But I’d still like to know your answers to the questions that I’ve posed.

    And I’m not so lucky to have gourmet food like tajine (whatever that is) prepared for me. Just pizza, hot wings and beer for me tonight.

  22. Yuka you are Bretty Face :) did you see how he gave the African-American lady the look I can’t stop laughing.

    Actually tajine is not Gourmet it is the national dish of Morocco. Do you know Morocco Egypeter?

  23. Mr. The Bee Geez? :) Wallahi hamooot men el dehk :)

  24. egypeter, of all the grateful people you could have picked, you chose the sleaziest one. he’s so upbeat though and you can tell he loves his new life. it’s funny at the end, when the judges are afraid they’re gonna crush his spirit by telling him he’s not going through to the next round. he’s probably been to hell and back in the homeland, so i doubt very much that he’s gonna fall apart coz they think he can’t sing.

  25. anna,

    Yeah we are all so desBerate to come to America and we don’t dare to criticize za politics orzarwise za white man will kick us out of heaven.

  26. No, I’ve never hear of Morocco Twosret, Can you please enlighten me.

    Anna – You’re absolutely right. A bad rendition of a Bee Gees’ song isn’t quite as devastating as getting ass-raped by a cop in a police station…

    It was a little odd when he started talking about “loving women from the hair to the nibble” but still, I loved this guy. You can at least tell that he’s grateful and thankful for the beautiful liberties and freedom that the Great Satan provides him. Those are the immigrants that I can respect, not the ones that come here (CAIR) and want to bring the very culture that they’re fleeing from!

  27. i’m gonna sit this one out, but i’ve got the arabic equivalent of american idol for you guys. it’s star academy, based on the european version. i couldn’t find the egyptian guy or girl singing, but this intro is quite impressive. the presenter is the comedy act in this one, she talks like she’s preparing them for full on gladiatorial combat as oppose to a bit of singing and dancing.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=RMyEFXmt1EQ

    (non arabic speakers, i think you can probably tell the country of each contestant without translation, egypt is called ‘masr’, all the other countries are pretty much same arabic/english)

    enjoy

  28. Too bad that he was too lazy to read about Mr. Bee Geez that he went on public TV calling a toe nail a nipple. How long has he been in America ? two years?

    Egypeter, or getting your ass-raped in Abu Ghraib prison?

  29. anna,

    Thanks for sharing :) the decor and choreography is amazing.

  30. 27. is so funny.

  31. brooklynjon says:

    Egypeter,

    Tajine is awesome! But you have to be careful not to overprune, if you catch my drift.

    Hair to the nipple? This is what I miss in giving up TV?

  32. bj,

    1- You are wrong again Rudy wanted to shut down the museum becuase it doesn’t SHOW deceny and respect to religion. Don’t tell me that the Catholic Rudy Giuliani wasn’t offended as a Catholic. Giuliani has no control over the private funded events that doesn’t mean it doesn’t offend him as a Christian. He strongly believes that it is Catholic bashing. Please read more in details about this topic as you obviously misunderstood his position.

    “In 1999, the museum’s ”Sensation“ show featured an elephant dung-embellished Virgin Mary. The mayor froze the museum’s annual $7.2 million city subsidy, then sued in state court to evict the museum. A judge ruled that the city had violated the First Amendment and restored the funding. This time, Giuliani said he would go all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, whose decisions he said are based on ”showing decency and respect for religion.“”

    2-Jews doesn’t get offended LOL! are you kidding me bj? just google Jews offended :)

    3- The topic on hand is about peaceful objection by signatures of 180,000 people to Wikkikiii (which by the way if those are proven accurate historical paintings then I agree that they should be part of history) the fact that it offends Muslims, I don’t claim knowledge about this topic I am still reading about it to understand why it offends Muslims. It was your injection to how violent they are when the topic on hand didn’t mention any violence unless I misread the topic

    4-The Violence of some muslims doesn’t generalize that ALL Muslims are violent. Crime is everywhere, injustice is everywhere.

    Want to know about some people who kill public figures when they don’t agree with them.

    http://www.aboutfamouspeople.com/article1135.html

    The assassination of John Lenon
    The assassination of JFK
    The assassination of Rabin the Israeli president
    The assassination of Abraham Lincoln American President
    The assassination of James Garfield American President
    The assassination of William McKinley American President

    Non with this have anything to do with Islamists. You understand why now I asked the original question because despite your cute, diplomatic, humuros responses all what you can point out is the Islamic violence.

    You can be the libertarian you want but that doesn’t mean that you live alone, you live with conservatives,extremists, democratics,and moderates. You can’t dictate your freedom on others.

    Life is tough isn’t it eh?

  33. bj,

    No overprune in my tajine :) it just took forever to cook but it was worth every moment.

  34. “From the earliest times visual art was discouraged among conforming Jews by the Ten Commandments – Thou shall not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness of anything that is in the heaven above or that is in the water under the earth. This oppressive injunction was given out in more detail in Deuteronomy IV, 17-18. Admittedly the prohibition was variously interpreted throughout later centuries, but at least in 66 A.D., after the expulsion of the Romans, the ban was emphatically observed by Jewish Government order. Throughout this early period of Jewish history many intolerant iconoclasts emerged and on occasion even the Romans were forced to comply with the wishes of God’s Chosen when it came to the display of human images and statues.”

    I read this on some historical site written by Jews sorry closed the other window but it was interesting to know.

  35. Palestinian Writers’ Union urged Arabic publishers to boycott next month’s book fair in Paris because Israel will be the guest of honour.

    JERUSALEM, February 26, 2008 – The Palestinian Writers’ Union on Monday
    urged Arabic publishers to boycott next month’s book fair in Paris because
    Israel will be the guest of honour.
    “We asked Palestinian and Arabic publishing houses to boycott this fair,”
    the union’s president, Al-Mutawakel Taha, told AFP.
    “It is not worthy of France, the land of the revolution and human rights,
    to welcome at its book fair a racist, occupying country,” Taha said.
    He claimed that inviting Israel at the March 14-19 fair would “legitimise
    all its fascist acts”.
    Some 40 Israeli writers have been invited by the fair’s organisers, to mark
    the 60th anniversary of the Jewish state.
    Palestinians call the May 15 anniversary the “Nakba,” or Arabic for “the
    catastrophe”.

    AFP

  36. Good for them for chosing peaceful ways of letting out their frustration. Nothing wrong with that.

    http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/EE2633B9-E840-4017-8A8F-B592BC5BC499.htm

  37. brooklynjon says:

    Two,

    You’re right that traditional Jewish law prohibits making a graven image. Some apply this to photograps. But I have never heard of a Jew (feel free to correct me) suggest that this law applies to someone else making a graven image or taking a photo. And, correct me if I’m wrong, but no Jew has ever threatened violence over a picture that someone else drew, or a movie script that someone else wrote.

    In my purchase of Havarti, I was not referring to the 180,000 peaceful signatures about Wikipedia (that would make no sense, as Wikipedia is not Danish). Rather, the Danish newspaper is reprinting the hated cartoons, and there are once again threats of violence against the newspaper and the artists, and once again threats of economic boycott. I can’t do anything about the violence. But I can eat some cheese.

    I never said that Islamists are the only violent people, or that most Muslims are violent. The many, many Muslims that I include as my friends are fine people. I will say, however, that Muslims seem to be DISPROPORTIONALLY REPRESENTED among those who kill or threaten violence for the sake of religion. Of course there are a few Jewish, Christian, Hindu, etc crazies. And I condemn them all. But head chopping for G-d seems to be a particular strong suit for Islam, at least in its most fundamentalist manifestations.

    Jews get offended. Comically so at times. Believe me, I made fun of my cousin who claimed antisemitism when she was rejected by the University of Pennsylvania. But, admit this, offended Jews rarely convene in major city centers demanding the decapitation of those who have offended them. Very rarely. Could be never, could be.

  38. brooklynjon says:

    P.S. Just had some more Havarti. Yum! Too bad Tuborg doesn’t make a gluten-free beer!

  39. BJ,

    I promise to respond to your 39 but I have a very important question that is really bothering me. Why would an ex-first lady wear a piece of a cheap rug or carpet on an important debate. I need to slap her fashion advisor LOL!

    Man! the woman sucks all the way.

  40. It sounds like I’m the only one watching the debate. So much for America loving people :)

  41. bj,

    http://www.glutenfreebeerfestival.com/

    how much beer are you drinking? when are you going to be on call? LOL!

  42. oops sorry wrong link. I was discussing this gluten free beer with a patient the other day and she swears by this one.

    http://glutenfreegoddess.blogspot.com/2007/03/gluten-free-beer-bliss.html

  43. brooklynjon says:

    “beer with a patient”

    Two,

    You’re in health care?

    I haven’t been drinking ANY beer lately (which makes me sad). I’ve been looking for a good GF beer. I know they’re out there somewhere. And kosher for passover, too!

  44. Yeah I’m in health care :) but I’m not a doctor ;) I am half doctor! I pretend to be one sometimes heheee. I like to keep notes of stuff that works with patients like Uncle Sam cereal and all sorts of good tips as it becomes helpful to others.

    Oh shoot it is passover already time flies :( I guess it is time for me to make sure that my pantry is ready for a good matzo ball soup my fav.

    well, I’m not sure about the Kosher beer but you are in brooklyn you know better .

  45. I have to tell you one day about my adventures in Monsey NY when I was buying my wedding dress. It was quiet an experience :)

  46. Bj,

    To respond to your comment #39 I have to say I’m very surprised at the Jewish Law the reason is, my daughters great grandfather is a famous photographer that introduced photography to Jersualem (landscape and people) early 1900. He was loved by all Jewish Palestinian population and we still have some photos of Jewish people that the family managed to salvage after his studio was bombed in 1948. At no point or time I heard that it was a restriction for the Jews.

    Reading the diary of great grandfather breaks my heart as I read how in the toughest times after 1948 the average Jew and Palestinian that managed to survive actually supported each other and lived together in peace.

  47. sorry to butt in but i can’t help not ask about kosher beer for passover- say again? do u mean non-alcoholic or alcoholic but made to kosher standards.

    and something else, how exactly do non kosher drinks differ from kosher drinks like say red bull and exit? please don’t say they make them to kosher standards.

  48. anna,

    Please butt in anytime we are just chit chatting until SM comes back :) BJ will be best answering your question but I think this link will help you understand the kosher food

    http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-kosher-food.htm

    If you live in the US you will find a lot of big grocery items in your regular grocery store marked with the letter K and or a sign that it is kosher. I can’t help it but follow the conspiracy theory that Jews control the US :) because why would big companies care to make their food Kosher when the precentage of Jews is very little in the US. I mean why would an average American pay for a rabbi to bless the food when he or she is not a Jew and would care less :)

    Don’t get me wrong though I’m all for Kosher meats for my family in the Arab world it is halal meat because of how they slaughter. I would buy kosher over non Kosher because our cousins share so much in common with us :)

    You can click on this link and see products from big companies like Lipton, Jiff, neutalla Delmonte etc…… that marks their food as Kosher

    http://www.aviglatt.com/Catalog_58.html

  49. Something about you Twosret makes me admire your comments. You are very talented.

  50. interesting, didn’t know that you had to have a rabbi present. maybe, that’s why ordinary soft drinks aren’t certified kosher. they obviously don’t rule the US, going by the questions on that site though. like, is any bacon kosher? and what is the difference between kosher and organic? gold.

  51. anna you have a long way to go on the Kosher concept you gentile you :)

  52. brooklynjon says:

    anna,

    Actually, most kosher food in the USA is purchased by non-Jews. That applies, of course, to things that are incidentally kosher, like coca-cola. But it also applies to kosher meat, which costs substantially more than non-kosher meat that is at least equivalent in quality.

    There is a lot to kashruth and, for the most part, rabbis and blessings have precious little to do with it. I’d be happy to give you as much or as little detail as you like. Rather than clutter up sandmonkey’s blog, you can email me at my Gmail account. I bet you can guess the part of my email address that goes before the @.

    Two,

    the law against photography is only followed by very, very observant Jews, and then only those who believe that that is actually the law. Remember, Judaism isn’t dogmatic, and most things are subject to interpretation, to a greater or lesser degree. But, in any event, even the zealots who will not allow their picture to be taken will not break your camera if you happen to sneak a photo.

    And yes, in many circumstances, Jews and Arabs work together and cooperate swimmingly, both in the past and in the present. It saddens me that both sides have substantially been held hostage by the most frenzied portion of their populations. Of course, I mainly see the excesses of the Arabs, and you are most aware of the excesses of the Jews. Certainly, there are objectively excesses on both sides. Maybe one day we’ll get past that. One can only hope.

    And don’t get me started on that “K” It tuns out that it doesn’t mean that the food is kosher at all!

  53. thanks a lot bj, i was hoping you could give the idiot’s explanation, like red bull has porcine saliva or something and is thus not kosher which is why they had to make a kosher version.

  54. Twosret says:

    Bj,

    It can’t be that you are trying to say that only muslims reacts with violence? Violence is everywhere and happening everyday in the whole world. Choosing violence to solve problems or vote your objection has never been a good choice. The history of the world shows that clearly.

    15 years old in America thinks violence will stop kids from being gay.

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1714214,00.html?imw=Y

    I would like to get the insider look of kosher as I was kind of offended that Jews won’t eat food processed by non-Jews is that right?

  55. brooklynjon says:

    Well, I eat food processed by non-Jews on a daily basis, just like most Jews.

    What it comes down to is a protection that was necessary when Jews were often hated, and were often persecuted because they were Jews. For safety’s sake, it was a good idea to have an observant Jew there to make sure things were on th up and up. But that doesn’t mean that a non-Jew isn’t allowed to touch the food.

    Now, in some communities a more strict rule may be applied. But the community I live in i quite observant (I’m the black sheep), and there are plenty of non-Jews working in kosher restaurants and food stores.

  56. Twosret says:

    “Well, I eat food processed by non-Jews on a daily basis, just like most Jews.”

    You are one of a kind :) I’m afraid you will be called a self hating Jew soon :)

  57. brooklynjon says:

    Twosret,

    You could handle my food any time! ;-)

    bj

  58. Ditto brooklynjon!