Why Obama vs. McCain won’t be easy

It's no secret that the republicans would love it if Hillary was the democratic nominee, because of how much easier Hillary is to defeat in a general election. That being said, it doesn't mean that they have something cooked up for Obama as well. They are just simply waiting until Obama and Hillary tear each other apart first, and if Obama comes out victorious, hit him with this. If the republicans can make the election over this video, especially that McCain is their candidate, and his major positive is National Security, then Obama has a serious chance to lose this thing!

Comments

  1. I agree. Barack Obama is extremely far left. A lot of people are going to be very disappointed when they learn his policy views.

  2. Don’t fall for the Republican trick. Painting Dems as soft on defense has never been true….Dems just aren’t trigger happy.

  3. “Don’t fall for the Republican trick. Painting Dems as soft on defense has never been true….Dems just aren’t trigger happy.”

    The republicans don’t have to trick anybody. Obama wants to withdraw from Iraq and then go back in if violence increases. That’s retarded.

  4. “Don’t fall for the Republican trick.”

    Hrag, you’re the one who’s trying to “trick” us, not the Republicans. If Bush is so trigger happy what do you call these Democrats?

    FDR (DEMOCRAT) led us into World War II.
    Germany never attacked us ; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
    Truman (DEMOCRAT) finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost . an average of 18,334 per year.
    John F. Kennedy (DEMOCRAT) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.
    Johnson (DEMOCRAT) turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost.. an average of 5,800 per year.
    Clinton (DEMOCRAT) went to Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden’s head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

    In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran , and, North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. And the Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking.

    But Wait, There’s More. It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno (DEMOCRAT) to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation. We’ve been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton (DEMOCRAT) to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

    It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy (DEMOCRAT) to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick with an innocent woman in it.

  5. ” Painting Dems as soft on defense has never been true.”

    I won’t argue the past with you, democrats have had a leading role in fighting tyranny (see above!). What I do know is that Obama is beyond “soft” on defense, he doesn’t want a defensive or offensive military capacity. He doesn’t believe the number one axiom of a secure and peaceful state: The best defense is a strong offense.

    Obama plans to eviscerate the US military and defensive plans that will secure a peaceful future for us.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

  6. there is no doubt that Obama will meet McCain in the general elections, Clinton is falling apart and sooner or later all the super delegates will go with the people’s choice. This election is about ending two things, the war and economic hardship be it health care, poverty, gas prices and many more. McCain holds the same policy of bush administration on those two issues, a policy which has shown complete failure. i don’t know what he is running on really and how he plans to win the public. will see how it goes

  7. The guy is an idealist. These views probably seem naive and impossible to implement but you can only admire him for his faith and motivation to bring about major changes. He wants to talk to his enemies and restore respect for america instead of the tactics of internal fear mongering and external muscle flexing that will not achieve anything good. Not in today’s world. I really doubt that someone like that could ever get elected but the fact that he made it this far really gives me hope that common-sense still survives in the land of the free. Yes you can America! Yes you can!

  8. Melissa in NorCal says:

    You hit the nail on the head Tedders!

  9. Lol.

    This dude is living in fucking La La Land!!

    Someone needs to tell Obama to stop skipping along the yellow brick road with Dorothy and Toto. He needs to stop playing with pixies and fairies and come back to reality that is this World.

    We’ve already had Cindy Sheehag, Sean Penn and Danny Glover try and do what he said in that clip…it hasn’t worked.

  10. AF,

    The guy is an idealist. These views probably seem naive and impossible to implement but you can only admire him for his faith and motivation to bring about major changes.

    Sounds like Jimmy Carter to me.

    He wants to talk to his enemies and restore respect for america instead of the tactics of internal fear mongering and external muscle flexing that will not achieve anything good.

    “Respect” from who? Our enemies? Our enemies didn’t respect us in 2001, did they? Do you think they respect us more, or less, now? If you mean Europe, well then fuck Europe. Or do you mean China and Russia? It’s VERY important for the US to live up to THEIR standards, isn’t it? :O

    I could go on, but that’s sufficient.

    I don’t really have a problem with Obama, but that’s mainly because I don’t think he’d be fool enough to try to make good on his promises. I could be wrong, though. Jimmy Carter was just that kind of fool.

  11. S”ix U.S. senators and 49 House members are advisers for a group working toward a Transatlantic Common Market between the U.S. and the European Union by 2015. ”

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59713

    “now? If you mean Europe, well then fuck Europe.” ??????
    then fuck US as well :mrgreen:

  12. Nomad, exactly! Fuck the world.

  13. anotheranonymous says:

    Yeah fuck you Craig.

  14. Melissa in NorCal says:

    Grow up you guys! Enough f**king each other.

  15. Um, except that Obama promises to increase defense spending, while cutting back on waste…

    And y’all can keep screwing each other as far as I’m concerned.

  16. christina/ohio says:

    Jimmy Carter is the first one I thought of when I first heard Obama’s rhetoric. If you work for a living and don’t have a dozen kids he will be very bad news. I was old enough to have heard Carter’s rhetoric firsthand.

    I am here in Ohio and I can tell you that all of the people I know here who vote democrat have already said if he is the nominee they will switch over and vote McCain. This could be a rerun of the 1984 Mondale Regan election.

  17. “The guy is an idealist. These views probably seem naive and impossible to implement but you can only admire him for his faith and motivation to bring about major changes.”

    The problem Obama is going to have is that while primary voters buy into the “hope and change” buzzwords the rest of the country is going to ignore it. He will have problems attacking McCain on the economy (NAFTA) because it turns out that he doesn’t mind NAFTA at all and is bullshitting (ask the canadians). He hasn’t done anything that would indicate that he can do the job, has weird friends (domestic terrorists, people going to jail for corruption), and while his tent revival speeches may make people feel good, emotion is fleeting.

    This sort of thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghSJsEVf0pU will be a joke by November. Most politicians are sleezy by nature and Obama isn’t any different, you just don’t know him yet. Romney tried to sell “Strong America” and Obama sells himself as an idealist with “hope for change”.

    That said, he has a good shot at winning it if the economy is in bad shape or violence in Iraq starts to spike again before the election.

  18. brooklynjon says:

    “Um, except that Obama promises to increase defense spending, while cutting back on waste…”

    I always loved lines like this. It’s as if department budgets included items labeled “waste”, and you just had to reduce the outlay for these items.

    I’ve got news for you: the definition of “waste” to a congressman is any expenditure that sends funds outside ones own congressional district.

  19. Twosret says:

    “Any guy who is married, or who has ever been married to woman; recognizes the irreconcileable bitch that Hillary is. She’s the kind of woman that makes you pull the decoys out of the closet at midnight and sleep in your waders and camo so you can drive to the duck blind before she gets up at dawn… just sayin…”

    LOL!

  20. So, Obama’s gonna save tens of billions of dollars cutting waste out of the military. I’ve got news for him: **HUNDREDS** of billions in waste can be found in our so-called “social” programs, or entitlements. Is he going to touch that? Hell no! Those that feed at the public trough are his biggest constituency.

  21. Twosret says:

    For those of you who is following the recent ads of Clinton this is a good one :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceN8geCDbFg

  22. Patrick says:

    “christinaalohio”…Most of Obama’s support is coming from the upper echelon of the Democratic party, college-educated professionals with family incomes over 200,000. My parents fall into this category and are supporting Obama. So are almost all other liberals I know in this category. This is despite the fact that we have the most to lose from reverting the Bush tax cuts. Do you know why? Because some people do not selfishly express a love for their country without expecting to pay something into it. Because the only reason we have to roll back tax cuts is because the Bush administration drove us into a financial ditch with its extravagant spending and what will eventually be a trillion dollar commitment to a useless war in Iraq that has achieved nothing but depose a ruler who was never a threat to us and turn Iraq into a place for civil war. Because even with reverting the tax cuts, tax rates in the US are much lower than in Europe or other countries. Because Obama will be good for American businesses, particularly medium-sized businesses that stay in America. After all, his economic advisers are Warren Buffett and the CEO of UBS, one of the biggest financial services companies in the world. Because Obama will institute a Pay-AS-You-GO standard for congressional spending that will ensure funding for any congressional initiative, thereby discouraging pork and enocuraging spending cuts. Because we need a smaller government in order to decrease taxes (which I agree with by the way, I just don’t think it is our main priority right now), and part of that involves cutting government spending. If over 1/3 of our gov’t spending goes to the military, I honestly think it should be cut drastically. We don’t need a military budget equivalent to 48% of the entire world’s military spending. We don’t need a military budget ten times greater than China’s. I’m disappointed Obama refuses to cut the defense budget. Hopefully, he will change his mind eventually. Also, Obama’s health care plan, by covering more people, will decrease emergency costs for the non-insured, thus decreasing the hospital costs for all patients, which are higher to make up for it, and thus helping private insurers as well. We also need tort reform, which Obama, as an attorney, recognizes. Malpractice insurance costs doctors too much money.

  23. I hope Hilary wins, she has nice hair.

  24. Patrick,

    News flash: the real Liberals may vote Republican this year, because the Democrats are too busy throwing the real Liberals out of their party, and because the Republican voters (as opposed to the Right-wing talking heads) may pick a pragmatic, principled adult.

    http://eustonmanifesto.org/?page_id=132

    Experienced people don’t like premature withdrawal.

  25. Twosret says:

    Hey SM,

    Your remember the name thing we spoke about earlier this week :)

    http://www.juancole.com/2008/02/barack-hussein-obama-omar-bradley.html#comments

  26. brooklynjon says:

    ” Because some people do not selfishly express a love for their country without expecting to pay something into it.”

    Whoop whoop! Sanctimony alert!

    ;-)

  27. Fo me, It’s like choosing a car, hehe I’ll take the colored one, and if possible, not too old, so that it can work a bit faster and longer :lol:

  28. tedders says:

    ” Because some people do not selfishly express a love for their country without expecting to pay something into it.”

    Patrick is smoking crack like his buddy Bama Lama Ding Dong!

  29. christina/ohio says:

    Well I’ve never had a problem with putting a line on the income tax forms so those who want to pay closer to 70% willingly can the only problem is that the state that actualyl did that reports that for all of the hot air about wanting to pay more taxes that when gicen the option somehow those liberals you talk of just don’t willingly pony up.

  30. Hillary Clinton,

    Stand up and show me your tax return and your agenda as first lady to support your claims as an experienced candidate.

    And guess what? that phone at 3:00 am in the morning was Monica :)

  31. Really tedders? Why am I smoking crack? I honestly doubt most anti-tax Republicans pay many taxes in the first place. Rednecks just don’t make that much money, and red states have nothing on the 10% or 11% income tax rates that CA and NY have. I’m personally in favor of a flat tax rate, but I don’t think taxes are the defining issue of this campaign. And I blame Bush’s fiscal irresponsibility, a bone-headed war in Iraq, and Americans’ obsession with militarism for the rising deficit and the compulsion for income taxes.

    Christina, the point is, that in exchange for the privilege of being an American citizen, you should expect to give something up for the betterment of the country. Clearly, you don’t feel the same way. Why don’t you ask yourself how we can continue to fund our commitment to Iraq and government social programs

  32. without raising taxes? What’s your solution? I doubt it’s feasible.

  33. Tedders,

    Don’t you tell me you are suggesting Mccain? please don’t tell me that :)

  34. brooklynjon says:

    Okay Patrick,

    Let’s lay it on the line. When all is said and done, I pay 20% of my income as federal income tax. That’s what it ends up being when I’m done with my tax return. Plus I pay 2.9% medicare tax, between me and my employer. My social security tax comes out to less than the 15-and-change% because I’m over the cut-off. But that’s no benefit, as the amount of benefits cuts off as well. I pay over 7% taxes to my state, and 4% to my city, neither of which is federally deductible for me because of the AMT. To keep my billing within the limits of the law, I have to pay someone 6% of my gross, or else I run the risk of being prosecuted for fraud and sent off to jail.

    My real estate tax is over $6000. This goes to pay for the public schools that the liberals have destroyed. Since I can’t keep a straight face while sentencing my children to those hell holes, I pay $56,000 a year for private school tuition for my two kids.

    I pay $8.375 sales tax on everything I buy, except for utilities, for which I pay more, what with surcharges and all. None of that takes into account for the taxes that are embedded in the price of everything else I buy or do, from travel to gas to food to clothes. Not that I travel a lot, or have a lot of clothes, because I can’t really afford them.

    OF course, since I’m a rich doctor, I lose out on any federal benefit, such as child tax credits, IRAs, tuition tax credits, etc. I am over the limit to deduct the usual dedutions on my taxes, and am denied all credits. My children will be denied scholarships when its time for college, while children of less motivated parents go free. Of course, I also get to pay for my license, registration, and DEA registration, the costs of which never go down, so some paper pusher somewhere can scrutinize every narcotic I administer and decide whether or not to send me off to jail.

    All this because I work, on average, 80 hours per week taking care of an inner city patient population, half of whom pay so little that it doesn’t make up for the cost of my equipment, but who still retain the right to sue me for millions in case they’re dissatisfied with the outcome of my care.

    Of course, because of all the training and education, I didn’t get my first job until I was 30. Until then I was penniless. But when I applied for food stamps and financial assistance, I was denied these because I was a student, and then in training. So I had to take loans. Lots of loans. I could have been a government-supported crack addict. But G-d for bid you want to study to support yourself and improve society, you’re on you’re own.

    And, incidentally, my pay comes with no fringe benefits, and no retirement package, so it’s all taxable, and I get to keep working until I die. Of course, once I die, I stop earning money, but my patients retain the right to sue my children for 20 and a half years after that.

    So, dear Patrick, please explain to me how it is that I must be a redneck if I think I’m already paying enough for the privilege of being here. I really, really want to know.

  35. Since I talk with Americans, (except Craig :lol: ) I have the impression that it’s horrible to live there : they work too much for the money they can benefit at the end ; if there is still money left, they can’t enjoy a good life, no time or too tired

  36. Since I talk with Americans

    Americans? Like Twosret?

    I have the impression that it’s horrible to live there

    It is! It’s a total nightmare being an American! That’s why I encourage people with 3 different nationalities, like Twosret, to exercise their options, and live someplace else!

  37. “but my patients retain the right to sue my children for 20 and a half years after that.”

    Torte reform is your answer bj.

  38. Tort not Torte :) sorry I’m dreaming about a SacherTorte

  39. Craig,

    “they work too much for the money they can benefit at the end ”

    that doesn’t correspond to her but to the poor guys that are condamned to work till the end of their life, and I “met” quite a few

  40. that doesn’t correspond to her but to the poor guys that are condamned to work till the end of their life, and I “met” quite a few

    Well, I have no idea who you think you “met”, Nomad, but why would an Egyptian immigrant in the US have a better time of it than anyone else? Please explain? Maybe there is some favoritism towards immigrants that needs to be corrected?

  41. scratching my head!!!!!!!. Why is Craig dragging Twosret into this argument? someone explains?

  42. anotheranonymous says:

    Repeat #13

  43. Twosret says:

    anna,

    Here is a hilarious photo of Hillary done by the Tunisian queen of photo shop Leilouta :) enjoy the hair.

    http://bp3.blogger.com/_MPJCFSyeVFk/R8TGMVzQPRI/AAAAAAAAAXA/K-whgDLsj0M/s1600-h/hilary+a+la+marylin+copy.jpg

  44. Twosret says:

    Nomad,

    This one will go well with a glass of wine enjoy and relax

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oyhlad64-s

  45. scratching my head!!!!!!!. Why is Craig dragging Twosret into this argument? someone explains?

    Why shouldn’t I, Samer? Are you suggesting Twosret should have some sort of immunity?

  46. #47 great music.

    #48 Immunity?? I was asking why do you have to include someone in an argument between you and Nomad when she is not part of the discussion ?

    Who are you to tell someone to exit from a country as an option? There is favoritism towards Egyptian “immigrants”because they are much nicer people than you.

  47. brooklynjon says:

    Nomad,

    Actually, the very idea of America has classically been freedom. This includes the freedom to make choices, the freedom to benefit from your good choices, and the freedom to suffer from your bad ones. Over the years, folks have been converting America into a nanny state in which people are protected from the consequences of their decisions.

    Based on what I understand – and I can’t claim tremendous expertise here – we are on our way to where you are in Europe, but we are still not as Socialistic as Europe is. So, yes, while we are overworked and overtaxed, I suspect that it is mostly better here than in Europe, with one principal difference. The free world depends on America for its defense, more or less. Yes, I know France is a nuclear power and can defend herself, but consider the enfeebled state of the rest of Europe and, for that matter, the rest of the free world, save Israel, Turkey, and Britain. They are helpless. We defend them, and they, in turn, spend their money on socialized medicine and other social goodies. Sure, we’re spending a ton of money in Iraq, but how much have we spent in South Korea over the past 50 years? And in Germany? And in the Phillippines? And defending Japan? The list goes on and on. So that drag has to be paid for somehow. But at least we can be comfortable in that the free world, owing us a debt of gratitude, treats us especially well (he says, muffling a laugh).

  48. brooklynjon says:

    Two,

    After all that tajine talk the other day, I finally went to a Moroccan restaurant tonight to have a chicken tajine. And a fabulous bowl of Yemenite soup, by the way. Now you’re talking up tortes? I’ll need to buy new pants!

  49. Twosret says:

    bj,

    Was the chicken tajine with olives and preserved lemons :) Yummm. I only said I was dreaming about the trote, I better step on the scale and see how many lbs I gained dreaming :)

    Yemenite soup :) you had good dinner tonight sounds much better than the hospital cafeteria heheheee. Any dish that has a mix of spices like saffron, cardamom, turmeric, cumin, etc… go for it!

    I work from home now so I cook, excercise to burn what I eat, blog, and enjoy the girls. Anytime you need an inspiration for what to eat let me know :)

  50. tedders says:

    Patrick, I’m in the same tax bracket as your parents with my income alone, when you add my wife’s income (she’s a high school english teacher) that might put us over your mommy and daddy’s tax bracket. Like brooklynnjohn I work hard for my money, I pay outlandish federal taxes and probably pay more just for the opportunity to be self employed every year than you pay in two or three years in total. Since your such an expert on taxation you should already know that Texas doesn’t have a state income tax but that’s not much of a benefit since I pay $15,700.00 in property tax every single year on my residence alone, by the way they raise that amount every year. Don’t even get me started on the taxes I pay for my business property, it’s much more than your mom and dad pay I’m sure.

    Can you explain how Bush’s fiscal irresponsibility has resulted in increases tax revenues every year of his term as President of the US? Didn’t think so, because you have no understanding of how a free market system works, just like your friend Obama the Illinois senator doesn’t.

    I’ve got to include these little pearls of wisdom you saw fit to express:

    “I honestly doubt most anti-tax Republicans pay many taxes in the first place. Rednecks just don’t make that much money, and red states have nothing on the 10% or 11% income tax rates that CA and NY have.”

    “Because some people do not selfishly express a love for their country without expecting to pay something into it.”

    I’ve already informed you that this red (neck) state doesn’t have an income tax. I support myself, my family, keep eight other families in houses, cars clothes, food and pay more in taxes in one year than you make in one, possibly more years. Does that make me less selfish than you? Your assumption that Republicans are or aren’t rednecks, what ever you think that means, and don’t pay many taxes shows your fundamental bias and ignorance. The democrat’s that I know are democrats because they want a free handout from the government, is that why you’re one? Winston Churchill said that if when you’re twenty and you’re not a liberal, you have no heart, but if when you’re forty and you’re not a conservative, you have no brain. Which is it for you?

  51. #48 Immunity?? I was asking why do you have to include someone in an argument between you and Nomad when she is not part of the discussion ?

    I also was not part of any “discussion” – Nomad specifically made reference to me, without my consent. As follows:

    Nomad: Since I talk with Americans, (except Craig :lol: ) I have the impression that…

    Who are you to tell someone to exit from a country as an option?

    Who are you to tell me not to? I am entitled to my opinions, aren’t I?

    There is favoritism towards Egyptian “immigrants”because they are much nicer people than you.

    Twosret, a nice person? She’s a pathological liar, and she is infamously abusive. Are you claiming she’s a typical Egyptian? Because I’ve known many Egyptians over the years, and I would dispute that. Twosret is a nasty piece of work, and she might be able to pass herself off as a “typical” Palestinian, but an Egyptian? No, I don’t think so.

  52. Craig,

    I highly recommend you don’t visit Egypt. We call people like you not a man in our country. If you are caught talking like this in Egypt to a woman in the street you will get beaten up by real men. I bet in America it is the same, because no nationality will accept what you just said.

    You can only wish that a Palestinian or Egyptian man will respect you after what you wrote.

  53. Twosret says:

    “I pay $15,700.00 in property tax every single year on my residence alone”

    That is because there is no income tax right? but in other States you pay income tax and little property tax.

    I’ve never seen you that mad Tedders :)

  54. Twosret says:

    samer law samaht matrodosh aa’lih.

  55. Walla yehmek ya Twosret m3alesh makontesh a3araf eno bazee2 keda

  56. Twosret says:

    Merci. Good night!

  57. tedders says:

    “I’ve never seen you that mad Tedders”

    Oh, you’ve never seen me mad Twos, I very seldom get upset. Certainly not from someone who presents the youthful opinion that I’m selfish because I’m not willing to pay more of my money to the government for worse government.His thesis is laughable, when I read it I laughed, when I responded I tried to imitate Bush’s smirk just to get my point across!! LOL

  58. Twosret says:

    bj,

    One thing I’m asking myself lately that I can never figure out. We get the lawyer, CPA and IT technician bills, as you rightly said DEA and license fees dues and it gets paid no question asked. Why every Physician in this country’s bill is questioned and controlled by some clerk in an insurance company?.

    I can’t sympathize enough with your post No. 35 it is a shame indeed.

    tedders,

    I hope we don’t have to pay more than 35% in 2009 otherwise Dubai is calling .

  59. Walla yehmek ya set el kol.

  60. Samer, fuck you.

  61. I agree with you that this Egyptian pig Twosret belongs in Egypt, and not the United States, though. Why do you think she came here, when she had such great “real men” to defend her in Egypt?

  62. Oh, by the way, Samer, why don’t you come show me what a “real man” you are? I’ll be happy to show you how much American men respect tough guys who make threats on the internet. Twosret knows where I live. Shoot me an e-mail, maybe we can get this sorted out. Maybe we can get Twosret to agree to move back to Egypt where she’s got some real men to defend her, if I can manage to kick your ass all the way down the street?

  63. Hey I will agree with you, though, that Egyptian men are absolutely famous for being respectful of women. Aren’t they, Samer? :P

  64. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7267488.stm

    A man has been shot while queueing for bread in Egypt.

    Details of the incident were published in an Egyptian daily newspaper, al Masri al Youm.

    It said that a worker in a Cairo bakery shot the customer following an altercation over the way the worker had treated the customer’s wife.

  65. well, if we make a total of our taxes comparing to the taxes that you have to pay individually for each department, then at the end it costs you more money to breed and educate a family, not counting the “free” time and retirement.

    Apparently our social system isn’t so bad, alltogether in EU, (now 27 states) we product more than your 50 states ; France, pointed as the bad pupil, just passed UK in the GDP rate (5th) .

    That is also why we invest in your country now, see lately Airbus, see the diverse companies that have in share Eu finances ; it is becoming benefit for our cies to manufacture technological goods in your country cause of the low rate of dollar and bring there some employement.

    hehe, we are going to save your country from a bankrupting :lol:

    Nowadays, I don’t think that a state should ignore how its citizens are living, that means helping the unfavoriseds to get a better life or find a situation according to their abilities ; naturally, there are people who profit of the system, ; there were always the kind of persons, I am afraid , there will be allways ; in percentage they don’t represent so much ; just the medias are always focusing on the bad exemples, cause that brings them attention in titilling the worse.

    Of course there are always improvements to be wished and to be brought, in controlling corruption, in aerating administration heaviness, in initiating creativity, in protecting the citizens from insane or radical religiosity that aims civil wars, etc… that the way a democraty works.

  66. Valerie says:

    Twosret @ 61.

    You are talking about dealing with an insurance company, not the US government. Insurance companies control an immense amount of wealth, and their business plan is to take their payments under all circumstances, and minimize their payments out. They will reject a selected percentage of claims, from both physicians and policyholders, every month. This rejection policy is not related to legitimacy of the claim. Rather, they give their employees a dollar quota of rejections.

    The only way to deal with an insurance company is to be prepared to fight with them.

    I have had top-of-the-line, private insurance for years. Before that, I had HMO coverage. In both cases, the companies found an incredible array of illegitimate reasons to reject ordinary, legitimate claims. They had to be made to pay.

    This was true of every medical incident I have ever been involved with: two pregnancies, a serious infection, a hospital stay by my son after a car wreck, plus the smaller, maintenance-type matters.

    The only way for a policyholder or a physician’s office to deal with insurance is to have a single person handle all insurance matters, and to make dealing with them a priority.

    One of the reasons Americans view Hillary Clinton’s health-care plan with deep suspicion is that requirement for all individuals to have insurance coupled with a subsidy. We know that this plan will result in higher prices for insurance, with no better, or better distributed, health care. Other countries have tried this, and we don’t like the result. In fairness to Mrs. Clinton, if this were an easy problem to solve, we’d have had the legislation in place a long time ago.

  67. Twosret says:

    Valerie,

    I can’t agree more with your post. I have been doing that for living for a while now. I was only questioning why a Physician have to deal with this when the lawyer and CPA get away with it.

    How are they expecting physicians to perform when they are treated this way by insurance companies and driven by fear of a law suit. We are a paperless clinic from day one but yet the amount of documentation is insane!

    Physicians can’t go on strike but they are fed up for sure.

  68. Twosret says:

    Also, the down side to this system is that Physicians have to see volume in order to make ends meet or become profitable and they wonder why health care is not the same. Reading the other day how BCBS wanted Doctors in California to report pre-existing conditions I was shocked and I was glad to see that Physicians refused and fought this outrageous request.

  69. Twosret says:

    Out of topic but very outrageous to read this morning

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3459144.ece

    WOW now that is leashing the Israeli officials in public. Killing 45 or so yesterday wasn’t really that big of a deal to both candidates.

  70. brooklynjon says:

    Valerie,

    Not to excuse the insurance companies, which are parasitic scum, but dealings with the federal government are not any better. We get second-guessed, paid a paid a pittance, and scrutinized absurdly. If we get audited, we have to pay triple damages, with the feds disallowing the payment for an entire anesthetic because some inconsequential note is missing. And ultimately, if we make enough errors or miss enough details in our charts, we get prosecuted for fraud, and get to spend quality time in a federal penitentiary.

    Personally, I think insurance, whether private or public, IS the problem.

  71. brooklynjon says:

    Two,

    I agree that that isn’t the term I would have chosen.

    What I imagine we will disagree upon, is that Israel has no obvious option other than total war in Gaza. This doesn’t make me especially happy, but making nice – or at least “nicer” – has resulted in less peace for the portion of Israel adjoining Gaza.

    I wish Hamas would cut the crap with the missiles, and I wish Israel also stopped their attacks, and everyone could get on with developing their own economy and educating their children. But it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen.

  72. tedders says:

    “WOW now that is leashing the Israeli officials in public.”

    What does that mean? Leashing? Are we going for walkies? (that’s what we say to our puppies when we go out for a walk! LOL

    I heard the term the minister used could mean catastrophe or holocaust. The report I read said the minister that said it was known for not flying of the handle and saying outrageous things. I’m not a linguist, but it seems there is a difference in saying, “a shoah” or, “the Shoah”. Just saying.

  73. There is a difference, Tedders. The Shoah is the Holocaust. But shoah means disaster. And most commentators who wrote about it, pointed out the difference. It is only those with an agenda who choose not to notice.

  74. christina/ohio says:

    Gosh you say redneck like it’s an insult? LOL A lot of us wear that proudly knowing what the origins of the word are. :)

  75. Patrick says:

    Tedders, My parents are in the 35% income tax bracket, whichever that is, I’m really not sure. I doubt your wife’s income as a high school teacher is particularly significant. Add to it the state income tax rate of 11% in California and property tax rates of 1% a year, and I assure you, you’re not paying more in Texas. I’ve been to Texas, I’ve seen the real estate section of TX newspapers, and from what I saw a five-bedroom, 4000 square foot house in Texas costs about as much as a condo in a mildly livable part of Los Angeles.

    If your chief priority in voting is ensuring that you can retain as much money as possible, then good for you. Clearly, your ideal government is one in which you have to pay nothing to receive the benefits of American citizenship, and social security or medicare are simply useless in your regard, because they help poor people. I have more noble aims in determining my vote.

    The Bush administration did nothing to actually restructure the income tax system. I am just as anti-tax as you, I support a Flat Tax Rate, but I acknowledge that maintaining the Bush tax cuts is absolutely fiscally irresponsible. Especially since Republicans just want to keep spending more on Iraq and defense. I don’t pay taxes, because I’m a student, but how much my parents pay in taxes directly affects me, because the fewer taxes they pay, the more I can spend. Still, I’d rather not bankrupt this country pursuing an ignoble war in Iraq and the militarization of the state. Sure, I want to privatize social security, but that’s not the most significant problem facing this country, when framed against the disastrous standing of AMerica’s reputation abroad, the growing financial burden of maintaining global military superiority, and the disgusting signs of a new gilded age, where middle class wages are stagnating. I am just as much an advocate of personal responsibility than most Republicans, but such a belief does not excuse the almost disturbing levels of inequality in America today. It’s not that visible here in Los Angeles, where almost everybody is well-to-do in some regard, but in the heartland, it’s pretty clear.

    I also like Obama’s savings plan to automatically put a portion of income in a savings plan, that anybody can opt out of if they so choose. Americans need to save more. The culture here is of blatantly ignorant consumerism, with quantity valued over quality, it’s almost repulsive.

  76. tedders says:

    Karen,
    I think the statement was used, regardless of which meaning was intended, because of the frustration involved with the current miserable situation. That coupled with the idiotic hyperbole and rhetoric coming from the president of Iran has spilled over into counter hyperbole, it’s funny how one minute the holocaust is never supposed to have happened and then when the word is used in relation to them, the term is taken very seriously. The Palestinians already have the worst enemy yet imposed upon them; Hamas. Their own leadership continuously flushes Palestine’s future down the drain. I hope the Israeli military uses restraint in relation to innocent Palestinians.

  77. Patrick says:

    By the way, as long as hedge fund managers and investment bankers are paying 15% capital gains taxes on their ludicrously high incomes, doctors/lawyers/businesspeople will have to suffer by paying higher incomes on their actual earned income. Once we raise the capital gains tax rate, or subject capital gains to the regular income tax bracket when it is the sole source of income, we can justify lower taxes. How are Republicans fiscally responsible anymore when the last eight years have seen a ballooning federal deficit? How do you suppose we take care of the deficit without raising any taxes? What programs will we cut? How will you do so without withdrawing from Iraq?

    I wish a Democrat came up with a trillion dollar commitment to an occupation of Iraq, just to see how angry Republicans would react. I recall Republicans were a little perturbed about Bill Clinton’s much cheaper, and more successful/efficient, forays into Kosovo. I wonder how they’d feel about a five year war/occupation in a sovereign country that never posed a direct threat to US interests and that actually aided US interests against Iran in the 1980s and hadn’t threatened or attacked any of its neighbors since 1990.

  78. Patrick says:

    By the way, how ineffective is Israel’s military if they kill as many civilians as militants (28 civilians, 27 militants) in one day? That’s pretty reckless and disturbing if you ask me. All this for crude rocket attacks that have killed approximately six people in seven years? Yeah, what a reasoned, proportional response. Israel and Hamas deserve each other. I hope they wipe each other off the face of the earth. The rest of the world will be better off for it.

  79. Well, Patrick maybe Israelis should just respond in kind, with rockets fired recklessly at Palestinian civilian population centers. Or maybe the Hamassholes and their supporters should just STOP shooting rockets into Israeli civilian centers. If they preferred life over death, that is what they would do. Not too difficult to figure out.

    Tedders,

    Of course they use restraint. I think the numbers show that. It’s hard though when the “brave” Palestinian fighters hide and attack amongst civilians.

    Also, with regards to 911 it’s something Islamic extremists blame Israel for on the one hand and take pride in on the other. Interesting how that works.

  80. Patrick says:

    Karen, if they fired back with the same rockets Hamas uses they’d probably kill far fewer civilians. And their targets would probably be even less random than they are now.

  81. And their targets would probably be even less random than they are now.

    Are you claiming that 50% of Palestinians are armed militants, Patrick?

  82. I only wish you were able to experience the “crude rockets” yourself, Patrick :)

  83. brooklynjon says:

    I have more noble aims in determining my vote.

    Whoop whoop! Sanctimony alert redux!

    Patrick,

    A little advice from an old philosopher:
    if you mean to convince anyone of anything, never announce that you are the only principled one in the room.

  84. Twosret says:
  85. Twosret says:
  86. “I don’t pay taxes, because I’m a student, but how much my parents pay in taxes directly affects me, because the fewer taxes they pay, the more I can spend.”

    lol. When reality stomps on your nuts please come back and tell everyone how it feels.

  87. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7273668.stm

    Some 88% of the British public want a referendum on the EU’s Lisbon Treaty, according to private polls for the I Want a Referendum (IWAR) campaign.

  88. Twosret says:
  89. Patrick says:

    I don’t get what you mean mikek. THe line you quoted was simply my explanation for how taxes affect me. Did you find any fallacies in the line you quoted: “I don’t pay taxes, because I’m a student, but how much my parents pay in taxes directly affects me, because the fewer taxes they pay, the more I can spend.” Does that sound illogical to you? Do you keep your money away from your kids or something?

  90. “I don’t get what you mean mikek. THe line you quoted was simply my explanation for how taxes affect me.”

    I think you are a spoiled kid and I hate spoiled children (maybe not you, but I am also in school and I despise rich kids who look down on me for working full time and going to school. Hate:)

    “Does that sound illogical to you? Do you keep your money away from your kids or something?”

    meh. You are garbage. Another rich kid who talks shit. Good luck with that.

  91. The international community can go to HELL :)

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=pageview&pageld=57867

  92. Sorry, I guess I can’t share it with you.

  93. Patrick says:

    Mikek, When did I ever say I look down on people who work and go to school? On the contrary, I find it admirable…Your original comment still makes no sense by the way.

  94. Craig,

    #90 it’s not our fault if the Americans were stupid in the occurence, WTF, “la vie en rose” is not a good movie , it’s just a bio of Edith Piaf, apparently that’s all you know from our culture, still in the fifties, eh, wake up !

    #91 do you think the UK were once in the EU ?

  95. Nomad,

    #90 it’s not our fault if the Americans were stupid in the occurence, WTF, “la vie en rose” is not a good movie , it’s just a bio of Edith Piaf, apparently that’s all you know from our culture, still in the fifties, eh, wake up !

    I doubt anyone in teh US even saw the movie. I don’t remember it being released, myself. I never even heard of it until the Academy Awards. I thought that article was cute, because she said such stereotypical “French” things. Although, you probably will deny that. I’ve argued with you before about some of the things French journalists were saying about 9/11 shortly after the attacks.

    #91 do you think the UK were once in the EU ?

    I’m not sure what you mean. Then again, I don’t really care so if you’re going to lecture about the EU try to make it generic? :)

  96. Craig,

    prout !

  97. anotheranonymous says:

    This scum Craig sure sounds like a Saudi man who calls people pigs. Bend over saudi and I will show you what a real man will do. This sharmoota Karen should experience an Israeli rocket up her ass.

  98. Craig, nobody is you

    “In theaters, the film grossed US $81,945,871 worldwide — $10,072,300 in the United States and Canada and $71,873,571 elsewhere in the world.[1] In the countries of France, Algeria, Monaco, Morocco and Tunisia, the film grossed a total of $42,014,775.[2]“

  99. Twosret says:

    While the whole world is condemning Israel actions and the news reporters are reporting the smell of death with women and children body parts are scattered. We have Karen the ugly brutal Zionist that is not a human to regret the loss of innocents in the most bloody day in Gaza since 1985.

    Israelis are protesting infront of the defense ministry building for the aggression and brutual actions of the military.

    People like Karen with their hate and blood thirsty war mongering attitude is the reason why there will never be peace between the nations.

    You are simply disgusting Karen the least I can say you are disgusting.

    Shame on you for being a mother and not feeling for innocent mothers suffering seeing their newborns bombed.

  100. tedders says:

    I think Karen feels just as badly for the Palestinian innocents that are killed as she does for the Israeli innocents that are killed. What I think Karen realizes, as do most of the posters here, is that if Israeli destroyed all her weapons and military might, the entire population would be murdered in less than a week. On the other hand, If Hamas and all of the militants weapons were destroyed somehow, PEACE would break out, the killing would stop, negotiations for a Palestinian state could start, aid could flow in…………. I know it’s too simplistic, it’ll never happen. Even if it could happen how do you un-teach the hatred instilled in children that were raised to think that way.

  101. Valerie says:

    Tedders,

    I’d add this to your comment.

    On the other hand, if Hamas and all the militants decided to stop using their weapons to kill their neighbors, PEACE would break out, the killing would stop, negotiations for a Palestinian state could start, aid could flow in, the people would be able to cross the borders freely, and the entire region could bloom.

    They don’t have to die, they just have to quit killing their neighbors.

  102. EgyPeter says:

    “In the interview, given to French TV network Paris Premiere, Cotillard appears to suggest the attacks on the World Trade Center were staged to avoid the expense of refurbishing them.

    “We see other towers of the same kind being hit by planes, are they burned?” she asks. “There was a tower, I believe it was in Spain, which burned for 24 hours.

    “It never collapsed. None of these towers collapsed. And there [in New York], in a few minutes, the whole thing collapsed.”

    Moon landing questioned

    The Twin Towers, she claims, were a “money sucker” that would have cost much more to modernise than to destroy.

    The actress goes on to cast doubt on the Moon landing of 1969. “Did a man really walk on the moon?” she asks.

    “I saw plenty of documentaries on it and I really wondered. In any case I don’t believe all they tell me.”

    A transcript of Cotillard’s interview has been posted on France’s Marianne2 website. ”

    -And we gave this STUPID bitch an Oscar??!!

  103. Twosret says:

    Tedders and Valerie,

    I will give you the excuse for being a newbies on the Palestinian issues and respond to your comments in good faith.

    1- Karen for the past two years at least have been supporting the Nazi Israeli actions of killings and she never sympathize with any Palestinian death she view them as sub humans who deserve to die. Like her right wing Zionists partners in the non-peace process she defends blindly the killings.

    2- Peace tedders will never breakout as long as there is unjust and illegal occupation of Palestinian lands. The fact that you think that the Palestinians should shut up and give up their land and live under terrible conditions due to the occupation and illegal settlements isn’t an argument that a child will buy (I’m not trying to be mean or rude to you) It is unheard of that a nation will embrace occupation and brutual injustice.

    3- If follow your imaginary statement above for Hamas to drop their weapons then I take it you are asking Israel to do the same NO?

    As per the statistics Valerie it sounds to me that the people that were killed in massive numbers are the Palestinians not the Israelis. I’m thinking maybe you need to advise the state of Israel to stop the killings since 1948.

    How many books did tedders or Valerie read about Palestinian conflict from the Palestinian point of view. I highly encourage you go to the nearest book store and read for famous Palestinian writers about what they think.

    What you both wrote simply shows that you know very little.

  104. Nomad,

    “In theaters, the film grossed US $81,945,871 worldwide — $10,072,300 in the United States and Canada and $71,873,571 elsewhere in the world.[1] In the countries of France, Algeria, Monaco, Morocco and Tunisia, the film grossed a total of $42,014,775.[2]”

    10 million dollars in teh US? That doens’t even qualify it as a bomb, here, Nomad :)

    Sorry. I genuinely don’t mean any offense, but I think at a minimum movies that are up for academy awards should have been successful. It’s bad enough that the voting is done by Hollywood insiders.

  105. Shame on you for being a mother and not feeling for innocent mothers suffering seeing their newborns bombed.

    Shame on you for making that vicious and racist personal attack on Karen, Twosret.  I suggest you try to get a grip on your irrational hate before it gets both of you in trouble again. You may get away with that on blogs, but as you well know, you don't get away with it in person.

  106. Egypter seems that’s the problem in America, 60 % of the people there question the same BS ; Anyway, she didn’t lauch herself the videos or reports, they all came from your country : internet is full of them . But she isn’t clever to repeat that BS on TV, one day or the another it comes back on board.

    yeah, Hollywood doesn’t do better than Canes, seems they don’t reward the real art productions, but political correctness of the moment.

  107. EgyPeter says:

    It’s nothing short of an abomination to question the facts of 9/11, no matter how much you hate Bush!

    And if it’s 60% of the American people, as you claim (I kinda doubt that), then it goes to show that the far Left’s lies, those of Whoopi Goldberg, Rosie O’Donnell and Al Franken have worked.

    I utterly hate those f**ing 9/11 conspiracy people.

  108. Twosret, all you are good for is a laugh. It’s funny watching you have conversations with yourself. You ignorant, pompous ass. You think you are smarter than everyone else. But you are not. You are a joke.

    Hey, I have a new name you could try,

    SYBIL :)

  109. Twosret says:

    Egypeter, Valerie, Craig, Nomad, Patrick, bj, another anonymous, mikek and tedders are ONE. Let them all stand up please and admit they are Twosret

    Praise Moses!!!!!! the intellectual Karen aka Golda just spoke. Amazingly enough when I directed a response to her hate to palestinians I used Twosret.

    Mazltof idiot.

  110. brooklynjon says:

    Okay, now I’m confused.

  111. She’s been drinking again, Jon. No mystery :)

  112. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7275700.stm

    Muslim bigotry against Jews, in France.

  113. Twosret, you should move to France, you’ll fit right in. Even though you aren’t Muslim, you are sufficiently racist against Jews.

  114. British-Pakistani writer Tariq Ali has said he will boycott …

    Prominent Swiss Muslim scholar Tariq Ramadan has supported the boycott…

    I can’t say we ‘ll miss them

    BTW, I already prompted the news in a previous topic

  115. anotheranonymous says:

    Craig and Karen are cut from the same cloth and Karen uses the rest of the cloth to cover her shaved head.

  116. I’ve read a book by a lot of Palestinians. It’s called the Hamas Charter.

    If the Palestinians would quit killing their neighbors, they would have peace. It really is that simple. The Palestinians are the aggressors.

  117. Valerie,

    Not all Palestinians are Hamas. You never read any book.

  118. Shouldn’t you be out treating women with “respect” in Cairo, Samer?

  119. Twosret says:

    Reporting from Gaza Mohamed Omer on democracy now this morning:-

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/3/report_from_gaza

    AMY GOODMAN: You were describing over the weekend the smell of bodies and body parts. Where were you? What did you see?

    MOHAMMED OMER: Well, this was yesterday. I found arms and legs and fingers scattered in the streets everywhere. And this was the situation—burned flesh in the streets with children and kids and women. And so far, 130 Palestinians were killed in the last few days. Out of 130, there are thirty-nine children, ten women, in addition to 370 children who were injured in the past few days. And there is 35 percent of those cases who were injured in the head and the upper side of the body, this which makes the whole situation at Kamala Adwan hospital quite difficult for the ambulance crews to deal with such cases, especially those people who are arriving from the far north of the Gaza Strip, where ambulances could not reach, because the Israeli bulldozers and F-16s were not able to evacuate the bodies.”

    “But Israel has been attacking civilians. The latest one was a seven-months child, baby child, who was killed, beside there is also a one-week child who was killed last night, beside many other ones who were killed. And if we want to make a comparison, three Israelis were killed in the last few days, and this was since eight months that Israeli citizens are killed by home—rockets from Gaza, while if we look at this last period, there is more than 130, so from three to 130. And look at what Israel—the weapons that Israel is using. It is heavy weapons, and they are targeting also these civilian houses, so I’m not sure if we can compare the primitive weapons that the Palestinian resistance is using with the well-equipped army, one of the most powerful armies in the world, Israel. And they are using missiles that burns the bodies. And I can tell you and I can tell all the American people listening to this interview, that they’re using the missiles that they’re burning the bodies.

    And it can make a smell—it smells really bad here. It smells like if you are—if you are—like an American barbecue, actually, in a house. It is actually—but this is not an—this is not a cow, this is not beef; this is a human being’s flesh. It is scattered in the streets, so they can smell this smell awfully. And this also beside the sewage system, which smells bad, as well. “

  120. Twosret says:

    Israel admitted before the use of white phosphorus the ones that chemically burns to those hit by it.

    So the Holocaust sufferers are using burning weapons to burn their enemies.

    “Israel has acknowledged for the first time that it attacked Hezbollah targets during the second Lebanon war with phosphorus shells. White phosphorus causes very painful and often lethal chemical burns to those hit by it, and until recently Israel maintained that it only uses such bombs to mark targets or territory.

    The announcement that the Israel Defense Forces had used phosphorus bombs in the war in Lebanon was made by Minister Jacob Edery, in charge of government-Knesset relations. He had been queried on the matter by MK Zahava Gal-On (Meretz-Yahad).”

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/777549.html

  121. Twosret says:

    V.

    Not all Jews think the same

    http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

  122. White Phosphorous is a smoke munition, Twosret. Every military on the planet uses white phosphorous. Your shit is weak. Go back to propaganda school.

  123. Twosret, don’t you wish you were in Cairo, being respected by Samer and his buddies? Wouldn’t you be happier there?

  124. Craig,

    Are you Christian?if you are when did you go to church last? and what prayer have you repeated or said? I’m not making fun of you I’m genuine and sincere.

    Do you have an e-mail?

  125. My e-mail is in my profile, same as it ever was Samer.

    What does a decent respectful guy like you care about my religion? I don’t care any about yours.

  126. Twosret says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw

    Sure Hillary it must be very hard to watch for 8 years your husband face the biggest challange in the white house. To put it in the most polite way, making out with Monica in the Oval office.

  127. Twosret says:

    So Hillary will be the vice president for McCain :)

  128. brooklynjon says:

    “So Hillary will be the vice president for McCain”

    This must never again be said, not even in jest!

  129. Maybe Chelsea can be Barrack Obama’s intern. Wouldn’t that be special? :P

  130. Twosret says:

    bj,

    I didnt say that :) it was the msnbc folks.

    “Rachel Maddow:

    “This is what you say if you want to be McCain’s choice for Vice President. It is not what you say if you are running for the Democratic nomination.”

    Keith Olbermann:

    “Unbelievable.” “

  131. Twosret says:

    Hagee the AIPAC friend.

    “As the nonprofit organization’s president, Hagee drew $540,000 in compensation, as well as an additional $302,005 in compensation for his position as president of Cornerstone Church, according to GETV’s tax statements.

    He also received $411,561 in benefits from GETV, including contributions to a retirement package for highly paid executives the IRS calls a “rabbi trust,” so named because the first beneficiary of such an irrevocable trust was a rabbi.

    The John Hagee Rabbi Trust includes a $2.1 million 7,969-acre ranch outside Brackettville, with five lodges, including a “main lodge” and a gun locker. It also includes a manager’s house, a smokehouse, a skeet range and three barns.

    Taken together, his payment package, $842,005 in compensation and $414,485 in benefits, was one of the highest, if not the highest, pay package for a nonprofit director in the San Antonio area in 2001. “

  132. Andrew S. says:

    Twsoret,

    God! good posts keep them coming. Pastor Hagee is the pervert of the century. He thinks God sent hurricane Katrina to kill gay people.

    Spin.Spin.Spin Hagee….Dizzy yet?

    I have bad news for you pervert, the most populated parts with gays were not hit. God must like the biggest gay community in Sydney, Australia.

  133. Andrew,
    He called Catholic faith ‘The Great Whore,’ the ‘apostate church,’ the ‘anti-Christ’ and a ‘false cult system’. Why is the Jewish lobby supporting him anyway? Do they need war with Catholicism?

  134. Twosret says:

    http://www.johnmccainisyourjalopy.com/

    Enjoy this one you have to keep clicking refresh to see more. LOL!

  135. He called Catholic faith ‘The Great Whore,’ the ‘apostate church,’ the ‘anti-Christ’ and a ‘false cult system’.

    He was probably talking about Jordanian Catholics.

  136. Are Copts Catholic, Twosret?

  137. http://www.compassdirect.org/en/display.php?page=news&lang=en&length=long&idelement=5207

    http://www.baptisttimes.co.uk/news4.htm

    Rift opens between Jordanian Christians

    A ROW has broken out between evangelical and traditional Christians in Jordan in response to an apparent crackdown by the Jordanian government on activities of foreign missionaries.

    Evangelical churches say they feel the government is attacking the church’s legitimacy; traditional Christians have responded by stating the evangelicals should stop being the cause of strife.

    The row was sparked by the publication of an article by the American news agency Compass Direct on January 29. The agency reported on the increasing number of deportations and residence permit refusals to expatriate Christian families in 2007 for apparent ‘evangelism of Muslims’.

    In the article, a number of pastors from the country’s evangelical churches said they felt threatened by the escalating crackdown on foreigners, adding their fear that locals will be targeted next if the pressure on foreigners is not challenged.

    The Jordanian Council of Churches, dominated by traditional denominations, subsequently attacked the evangelicals. It asked them to ‘stop acting as self-appointed guardians of Christians and Christianity in Jordan’, and labelled them as ‘groups, not churches’.

    Foreign missionary groups have proselytised among Jordanians ‘in a manner that has given rise to religious animosity… and thus disturbed relations among Christian and Muslim citizens’, it said.

    In a further development, Dr Imad Shehadeh, president of Jordan Evangelical Theological Seminary, expressed his ‘sadness’ that Christians attack other Christians.

    Evangelicals are ‘proud’ of their country, ‘love their Christian and Muslim brethren’ and are ‘wounded by being called illegitimate’, Dr Shehadeh wrote.

    Do Catholics want another war with Protestants, Susan?

  138. We live in America not Jordan. So your point is? Are you the troll of this blog or a simplistic Moron? I’m assuming both.

  139. Craig,

    Read Timothy Ware’s “Orthodox Church” and the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” hopefully it will explain to you the difference between the Catholic and the Orthodox church. Craig, you think that reading on the news sources and searching the web gives you facts and replaces culture.

    Salam/peace

  140. We live in America not Jordan. So your point is?

    The US is not a Catholic country, Susan. And I wasn’t aware that Jordanian Catholics were different than… whatever kind of Catholic you are…

    Are you the troll of this blog or a simplistic Moron? I’m assuming both.

    Oh, gee, I’m sorry Susan! I thought it was you offering up a war between Catholicism and Judaism! I suppose you think that was perfectly reasonable, but you don’t think Catholics should defend Protestants from persecution at the hands of Muslims. Does that about sum it up, dear one?

    Samer,

    Read Timothy Ware’s “Orthodox Church” and the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” hopefully it will explain to you the difference between the Catholic and the Orthodox church. Craig, you think that reading on the news sources and searching the web gives you facts and replaces culture.

    Thanks for the input, but fuck you. If Arab Catholic and Orthodox Christians feel that they should participate in the persecution of other Christians, then to hell with Arab Christians. They are no Christians at all.

  141. Samer, nice to know that the Egyptian who makes threats on Sandmonkey’s blog is a Copt. Not really, though. I wish you’d kept your mouth shut about your religion, I prefer to think that it’s only Egyptian Muslims who have their heads up their asses.

  142. These are the “evangelicals” being persecuted in Jordan:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist

    The Baptists number over 110 million worldwide in more than 170,000 congregations, and considered the largest world communion of evangelical Protestants, with an estimated 22 million members in the North America.

    They outnumber the grand total of Arab Christians by more than an order of magnitude, all by themselves. Wanna play fuck-fuck games calling people illegitimate?

  143. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7276213.stm

    Vatican officials and senior Muslims are due to meet in Rome, hoping to lay the foundations for landmark Catholic-Islamic talks later this year.

    Among the Muslim representatives at this week’s two-day talks are a Turk, a Briton, a Jordanian, a Libyan and an Italian.

    You gonna write to the Pope and give him what-for about what he should tell the Jordanian asshat in these meetings, Susan? I know you don’t countenance the Catholic Church in Jordan calling Protestants “illegitimate” Christians, do you?

    Not after that ranting you did over a Protestant pastor saying the same thing about Catholics. That would be a little too much hypocrisy even for you, wouldn’t it?

  144. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi'a_Islam

    By some estimates, approximately 10-15% of the world’s Muslims are Shia. There are an estimated 130 to 190 million Shia Muslims[4] (including Twelvers, Ismailis, Zaidis) throughout the world, with the largest representation in Iran (which has the highest Shia population), Pakistan, India, Iraq, Azerbaijan, and Afghanistan.

    Heh. There are about as many Baptists in the world as there are Shia Muslims :D

    I bet 110 million pissed off Baptists can do a lot of damage to Jordan! Baptists are pretty mean, too!

  145. By the way, a lot of you are mis-characterizing Hagee’s teachings:

    Hagee has denounced replacement theology, believing that Romans 9, 10 and 11 teaches that the Jewish people continue to have favor with God by the election of grace and as a people of the covenant their salvation is not dependent on belief in Jesus Christ. Hagee believes that the Bible commands Christians to support Israel and the Jewish people,

    Adolf Hitler attended a Catholic school as a child and heard all the fiery anti-Semitic rantings from Chrysostom to Martin Luther. When Hitler became a global demonic monster, the Catholic Church and Pope Pius XII never, ever slightly criticized him. Pope Pius XII, called by historians ‘Hitler’s Pope,’ joined Hitler in the infamous Concordat of Collaboration, which turned the youth of the [sic] Germany over to Nazism, and the churches became the stage background for the bloodthirsty cry, ‘Pereat Judea’…. In all of his [Hitler's] years of absolute brutality, he was never denounced or even scolded by Pope Pius XII or any Catholic leader in the world. To those Christians who believe that Jewish hearts will be warmed by the sight of the cross, please be informed—to them it’s an electric chair.

    The Roman Catholic Church, which was supposed to carry the light of the gospel, plunged the world into the Dark Ages…. The Crusaders were a motley mob of thieves, rapists, robbers, and murderers whose sins had been forgiven by the pope in advance of the Crusade…. The brutal truth is that the Crusades were military campaigns of the Roman Catholic Church to gain control of Jerusalem from the Muslims and to punish the Jews as the alleged Christ killers on the road to and from Jerusalem.

  146. Patrick says:

    Craig, grow up. You jump on attacking Twosret every time she makes a comment, it’s really ridiculous.

    Jordanian Catholics are not “persecuting” evangelical Jordanians (who are also Arab Christians you idiot, it’s not Arab Christians persecuting white Christians, which I realize would horrify you). They are simply disturbed that the tenacity and fundamentalism of evangelicals is disrupting the usually amiable relationship between Jordanian Christians (who are Palestinian Christians, there is no such thing as a non-Palestinian Jordanian Christian) and Jordanian Muslims.

    If asking another group to limit their proselytizing is “persecution” than you really have low standards for the word. THis type of “persecution” pales in comparison to the discrimination Catholics endured at the hands of Protestants for most of American history, from people refusing to hire Irishmen to Sacco-Vanzetti to the KKK’s anti-Catholicism to people’s doubts about JFK. Not to mention the current evangelical movement’s vicious anti-Catholic strian, exemplified by Hagee (no true “Christian” nonprofit director should be making seven figures a year. THat’s absurd. Catholic priests are actually selfless, taking a vow of poverty) and the authors of the unfortunately popular and poorly written “Left Behind” series in which the Pope is depicted to be THE ANTICHRIST.

  147. Patrick says:

    Really Craig? A Catholic school taught Adolf the rants of Martin Luther? I’m SURE that happened. God, do you believe the things you say?

  148. Patrick,

    Craig, grow up. You jump on attacking Twosret every time she makes a comment, it’s really ridiculous.

    I don’t like her. She doesn’t like me, either. On a *personal* level, we have a lot of enmity going on. “Personal level” means it’s none of your fucking business, so butt out unless you want a piece of the action too.

    Jordanian Catholics are not “persecuting” evangelical Jordanians (who are also Arab Christians you idiot, it’s not Arab Christians persecuting white Christians, which I realize would horrify you).

    I didn’t say anything about WHITES. You did. I specifically criticized ARAB Christians in Jordan. Keep your racism and bigotry to yourself, asshole. It isn’t “OK” just because the victims were Arab Christians.

    They are simply disturbed that the tenacity and fundamentalism of evangelicals is disrupting the usually amiable relationship between Jordanian Christians (who are Palestinian Christians, there is no such thing as a non-Palestinian Jordanian Christian) and Jordanian Muslims.

    They called Protestants “illegitimate”, you son of a bitch. And they supported (FORMALLY) the decision of the Jordanian (Muslim) government to persecute them.

    What the hell kind of Christian is that?

    If asking another group to limit their proselytizing is “persecution” than you really have low standards for the word.

    No, I have REAL standards. Deporting people because of their religious faith is persecution, by definition, jackass.

    THis type of “persecution” pales in comparison to the discrimination Catholics endured at the hands of Protestants for most of American history, from people refusing to hire Irishmen to Sacco-Vanzetti to the KKK’s anti-Catholicism to people’s doubts about JFK.

    Bullshit. You can’t possibly REALLY be that stupid, can you?

    Not to mention the current evangelical movement’s vicious anti-Catholic strian, exemplified by Hagee (no true “Christian” nonprofit director should be making seven figures a year. THat’s absurd. Catholic priests are actually selfless, taking a vow of poverty) and the authors of the unfortunately popular and poorly written “Left Behind” series in which the Pope is depicted to be THE ANTICHRIST.

    Why do you keep saying “Evangelical” when you mean Protestant? We can kick your asses again, fucker. You supposedly “reformed” yourselves after the last round, but I guess maybe not so much? Catholics sure as hell do love to persecute non-Catholics, don’t they? That’s what cause Protestantism in the first place, you know.

  149. Really Craig? A Catholic school taught Adolf the rants of Martin Luther? I’m SURE that happened. God, do you believe the things you say?

    That came from the Hagee wiki link. I’m sure you read iut, since you spend so much time criticizing Hagee, right? No chance in hell you just repeat the bullshit that other people say, is there? And if you are going to claim the Catholic Church is not anti-semitic, I’m sure you can explain the threats that Catholicism would go t9 war with Israel by that great defender of Catholicism, Susan, right? Really it seems almost laughable when the same Catholics on this blog who claim there is no anti-semitism in the Catholic Church make such blatantly anti-semitic remarks as hers, isn’t it? :P

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee

    Criticism of the Roman Catholic Church

    Hagee has written about the Roman Catholic Church in his book Jerusalem Countdown:

    Adolf Hitler attended a Catholic school as a child and heard all the fiery anti-Semitic rantings from Chrysostom to Martin Luther. When Hitler became a global demonic monster, the Catholic Church and Pope Pius XII never, ever slightly criticized him. Pope Pius XII, called by historians ‘Hitler’s Pope,’ joined Hitler in the infamous Concordat of Collaboration, which turned the youth of the [sic] Germany over to Nazism, and the churches became the stage background for the bloodthirsty cry, ‘Pereat Judea’…. In all of his [Hitler's] years of absolute brutality, he was never denounced or even scolded by Pope Pius XII or any Catholic leader in the world. To those Christians who believe that Jewish hearts will be warmed by the sight of the cross, please be informed—to them it’s an electric chair. (pp. 79-81)

    The Roman Catholic Church, which was supposed to carry the light of the gospel, plunged the world into the Dark Ages…. The Crusaders were a motley mob of thieves, rapists, robbers, and murderers whose sins had been forgiven by the pope in advance of the Crusade…. The brutal truth is that the Crusades were military campaigns of the Roman Catholic Church to gain control of Jerusalem from the Muslims and to punish the Jews as the alleged Christ killers on the road to and from Jerusalem. (p. 73)

    Later in the book (pp. 81-2), however, he praises Pope John Paul II for repudiating past anti-Semitism in the Roman Catholic Church.

    Various other degrading comments on the Catholic Church include: “the great whore” “false cult system” and “the apostate church”

  150. Patrick says:

    Yes, I’m sure John Hagee’s book is a VERY reliable source. I wonder what his academic qualifications are…OH yeah, a Master’s from the University of North Texas with theological training at the Southwestern Assemblies of God University in, of all places, Waco! He must have his history down pat!
    Why would the Catholic church spread the teachings of the most brazen anti-Catholic reformer in church history? Make sense to you? Also, weren’t Catholics persecuted in Nazi Germany? Germany is a Protestant country.

    And when I say evangelicals I mean evangelicals. I have a lot of respect for Protestants, especially Episcopalians. I might just join the Episcopalian church someday too. It’s the crackpot Baptist and evangelical nuts that worry me. With their thieving pastors who line their pockets with the church’s money and live ostentatious lives of excess, and their vicious anti-intellectualism opposed to any advancement in science at the expense of their dearly held myths, and their barely disguised contempts for outsiders, whether they be blacks or Arabs or Mexicans or Muslims or Jews or other Christians like, as you so perfectly demonstrate, Catholics and Orthodox Christians.

    By the way, Catholics are the largest Christian denomination in AMerica and make up approximately 40% of the population…get used to it

  151. And when I say evangelicals I mean evangelicals. I have a lot of respect for Protestants, especially Episcopalians.

    Episcopalians are evangelicals too, dumbass. Anglicans are taking over Africa as we speak.

    By the way, Catholics are the largest Christian denomination in AMerica and make up approximately 40% of the population…get used to it

    Enough with the stupidity.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

    The US is 88.3% Christian.

    The US is 26.8% Catholic.

    That means the US is over 60% Protestant. Do the math. Is it so hard fro a Palestinian such as yourself to tell the truth?

  152. Patrick says:

    Well then, I excuse Episocopalians from my criticisms of evangelicals. And I misspoke, I meant to say Catholics constitute 40% of all Christians, which your data backs up. Protestants are not a monolithic group, when they are divided into their respective denominations, none matches the size of Catholicism.

    Wow, you really are an idiot quick to jump to conclusions based on no measure of proof. What makes you think I’m Palestinian? I’m not, and I’m really pretty puzzled as to why you’d make that assertion.

  153. “With their thieving pastors who line their pockets with the church’s money and live ostentatious lives of excess, and their vicious anti-intellectualism opposed to any advancement in science at the expense of their dearly held myths, and their barely disguised contempts for outsiders, whether they be blacks or Arabs or Mexicans or Muslims or Jews or other Christians like” and frenchs !

    the pole pot of the US I guess ;

  154. Well then, I excuse Episocopalians from my criticisms of evangelicals.

    Why? Of all Protestant denominations, they are the most unlike Catholics. Speaking of which, you realize that the Catholic Church is absolutely infamous for it’s strong arm conversions, do you not? There is hardly a place on this planet where one can go and NOT hear stories of Catholic prosletyzing. For a Catholic to criticize Protestants for missionary work really sets a whole new benchmark of hypocrisy. There are at least a dozen Spanish (Catholic) Missions within an hour’s drive of where I’m sitting right now in SOuthern California.

    And I misspoke, I meant to say Catholics constitute 40% of all Christians, which your data backs up. Protestants are not a monolithic group, when they are divided into their respective denominations, none matches the size of Catholicism.

    That isn’t what you said, and “my” data doesn’t back up your redacted claim, either. Catholics are less than 30% of American Christians. You really do have serious math issues, don’t you?

    Wow, you really are an idiot quick to jump to conclusions based on no measure of proof. What makes you think I’m Palestinian? I’m not, and I’m really pretty puzzled as to why you’d make that assertion.

    Because you stated with authority that ALL Jordanian Christians are Palestinians. I don’t know how you could make such a claim, if you aren’t a Jordanian (Palestinian) Christian yourself? Surely you must be an Arab Christian, at least? How else did you become such an expert on Christians in the middle-east? Or are you just talking out of your ass?

  155. So now I’m a Copt. You are very angry Craig and you need to find something better to do with your life than fighting with people on the internet. You have so much hate in you.

    Patrick,this guy knows nothing simply nothing about what he is talking about. Now I know why Twosret never reply to him.

  156. John Hagee has no qualitifcations other than being supported by AIPAC and he worships the Israeli flag.

  157. EgyPeter says:

    As I follow these hilarious discussions I’ve noticed a consistent mistake.

    **There is NO SUCH THING as an “Arab Christian”**

    That is a total misnomer!!! Sure, there were plenty of Arab Christians on the Arabian Peninsula prior to Islam but they’ve NEVER existed in Egypt!! So please please stop using this term. It drives me up a wall when I hear it. Maybe “Arab SPEAKING Christians” would be better but definitely not “Arab Christians”!

  158. tedders says:

    “With their thieving pastors who line their pockets with the church’s money and live ostentatious lives of excess, and their vicious anti-intellectualism opposed to any advancement in science at the expense of their dearly held myths, and their barely disguised contempts for outsiders, whether they be blacks or Arabs or Mexicans or Muslims or Jews or other Christians like” and frenchs!”

    Let me guess, You’ve never set foot in a Baptist church, at least in Texas you haven’t. If you did, all you did was open the door and touch your big toe to the floor. You’ve never attended one, become versed in what goes on there or had enough experience to make a valid statement about it. You read one newly translated letter from Freud and you make a final judgement on European Jews “consensus” of the state of Israel, (snickering…), priceless!

    “of all places, Waco!”
    What ever you mean by this, I assure you, you still don’t know what you’re talking about Patrick.

    “It’s the crackpot Baptist and evangelical nuts that worry me”
    If there’s a nutcase in the house, it’s you Patty Cake!

  159. Andrew S says:

    Take off the tinfoil hat Craig.

  160. egy, the more worrying aspect of all this is the intense hatred for jews by people who claim to worship a jew.

  161. EgyPeter says:

    You’re absolutely right sweet Anna! And there are several fine examples of people like that on this very blog.

    Btw Anna – Is there a way I can contact you personally?

  162. wrong anna! we don’t worship a Jew! where do you get this nonsense from?. We worship God and Jesus Christ who was born to be a Jew but he brought Christianity to the Jews that they rejected and teamed up with the Romans to crucify him.

  163. Samer,

    Here is how I see it “The Jews crucified Jesus through the Romans. At the time of Jesus’ crucifixion, the Romans had conquered all the area in which Jesus lived and taught. The Romans allowed the Jews to continue with their Sanhedrin (their government), but the Romans took away capital punishment from the Jews. In order to have Jesus crucified, the Jewish leaders had to manipulate Rome into doing it. First, the Jewish leaders had to lie – make up charges (Lk. 23: 2, 3). The Jewish leaders persisted in their demands for crucifixion (vss. 5-19). New Testament writers charged the Jews with having crucified Jesus (Acts 2: 36, 3: 13-17).”

    Acts 2: 36 says

    “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

    Acts 3: 13-17 says

    13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath aglorified his Son Jesus; whom ye bdelivered up, and cdenied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
    14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a amurderer to be granted unto you;
    15 And killed the aPrince of life, whom God hath braised from the dead; whereof we are cwitnesses.
    16 And his aname through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the bfaith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
    17 And now, brethren, aI bwot that through cignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.”

  164. tedders says:

    Was Jesus a Jew?

    http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/jesus.html

    From a website that is a bit disturbing to me:

    During His lifetime, no persons were described as “Jews” anywhere. That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the “homeland” of the ancestors of those who today style themselves “Jews”. Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their “homeland”, and were known as Khazars. In none of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a “Jew”. The term originated in the late eighteenth century as an abbreviation of the term Judean and refers to a resident of Judea without regard to race or religion, just as the term “Texan” signifies a person living in Texas.

    In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called “Jews”, they have been unable to prove in recorded history that there is one record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as “Jew”. The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled “Jews” today refer to as “Jews”, were known as “Pharisees”. “Judaism” today and “Pharisaism” in the time of Jesus are the same.

    Jesus abhorred and denounced “Pharisaism”; hence the words, “Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers”.

  165. Susan, it still doesn’t mean that we hate Jews as anna claimed. We don’t hold the current Jews responsible for their ancestors acts. I just wanted to correct her on worshipping the Jew part.

  166. For the love of Jesus tedders. Jesus is not a Jew? Even Jews call him Jew.

    “Jesus was Born a Jew

    Jesus is a real, historical person, born in the Land of Israel, during the Roman occupation, in approximately the year 3 BCE. However, at the time His name was actually pronounced, “Yeshua,” and that is the name used in this article.

    That Yeshua was born Jewish is one of the least contested truths of the Bible. The very first verse of the New Covenant reads: The book of the genealogy of Messiah Yeshua (“Jesus Christ”), the son of David, the son of Abraham (Matt. 1:1). Who were Abraham and David?

    Abraham was the first Hebrew. God changed his name from Abram (Gen. 17:5). In Gen. 14:13 he is called Abram the Hebrew. So we can see that Yeshua (Jesus) is descended from “Abram the Hebrew.” Even to this day, Jews are also called “Hebrews”, and the language of the Jews is “Hebrew.”

    Abraham and his descendants were given the unconditional covenant of the Promised Land (Gen. 17:8) and the covenant of circumcision (Gen. 17:10). Abraham is the father of the Jews (Acts 3:12-25). Isaac was his son and Jacob was his grandson (Matt. 1:2). Thus, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are known as the Patriarchs, the fathers of the Jews.

    Jacob’s name was changed by God to “Israel” (Gen. 35:10-12) and he had twelve sons (Gen. 35:23-26) from whom come the Twelve Tribes of Israel. All of their descendants are known collectively throughout the Bible as the Children of Israel (Ex. 1:6-7).

    One of those twelve sons was Judah (Gen. 35:23, Matt. 1:2) and it is from his name that we get the word ‘Jew’. Although Yehudah (Judah) was only one of the twelve, by 700 BCE, because of the course of Israel’s history, the word Yehudee (Jew) came to mean any person descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Jer. 34:9). So, for instance, Saul haShaliach (the Apostle Paul) was of the tribe of Benjamin (Romans 11:1) yet he self-identified as a Jew (Acts 22:3).

    Nevertheless, according to the Bible, the Messiah must be descended from the tribe of Judah (Gen. 49:10) as King David was (1Sam. 17:12, 1Ch. 28:4) and descended from King David himself (2Sam. 7:12-13, Isa. 9:6-7, Jer. 23:5-6). That is why the Messiah is called Son of David (Matt. 21:9).

    Yeshua (Jesus) is from the Tribe of Judah (Heb. 7:14). His earthly father was descended from David (Matt. 1:6-16) and His mother was as well (Luke 1:27, 32-34, 3:23-31).

    In addition, Yeshua was born King of the Jews (Matt. 2:2). The King of the Jews must Himself be Jewish (Deut. 17:15). His aunt Elizabeth was Jewish (a descendant of Aaron, Moses’ brother) and His uncle Zacharia was a Jewish priest (Luke 1:5, 36). Yeshua was circumcised according to Jewish law (Luke 2:21, Lev. 12:2-3), and redeemed according to Jewish law (Luke 2:22-23, Num. 18:15). His mother atoned according to Jewish law (Luke 2:24, Lev. 12:6-8). He is called The Consolation of Israel (Luke 2:25) and The Glory of Thy People Israel (Luke 2:32). Jesus was born a Jew.

    Jesus lived as a Jew

    Although He was born in Bethlehem (Matt. 2:1, Micah 5:2), Yeshua was raised in Nazareth (Luke 2:39-40). Both were Jewish towns at the time, according to archeologists and historians. Bethlehem is just south of Jerusalem while Nazareth is north, in the Galilee section. Both of Yeshua’s parents were from Nazareth (Luke 1:26-27, 2:4, 39) and they returned there with the Child when they had done everything according to the Law of the Lord that His birth required (Luke 2:39). His aunt and uncle were also Torah observant Jews (Luke 1:6) so we can see that probably the whole family took their faith very seriously.

    Yeshua’s parents made the 140 mile (225 m.) round trip to Jerusalem every Passover (Luke 2:41) in observance of Deut. 16:16. It was at the age of twelve that Yeshua stayed behind an extra three days to learn from the Temple teachers (Luke 2:46). Although He already understood the Torah well (Luke 2:47), His attitude of listening and questioning indicates love of the Hebrew scripture and respect for the teachers. He also respected the Temple itself, calling it His Father’s (Luke 2:49). Near the end of His life, He praised a widow for giving all she had to the Temple (Luke 21:1-4).

    In adult life, His disciples were Jews (John 1:47, Matt. 20:25-26) and they called Him ‘Rabbi’ (John 4:31). Mary called Him ‘Rabboni’ (John 20:16). They sought Him because they believed the Torah and the Prophets (John 1:45).

    A Pharisee who had not yet come to faith in Him also addressed Yeshua as ‘Rabbi’ (John 3:2), as did a crowd of people (John 6:25). A Samaritan woman easily recognized He was a Jew (John 4:9).

    Yeshua’s disciples spoke Hebrew (John 1:38, 41) and so did He, as well as Chaldean, a closely-related language brought back by the Jews from their captivity in Babylon (Matt. 27:46). In the sermon on the mount He affirmed the authority of the Torah and the Prophets (Matt. 5:17) even in the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 5:19-20). He regularly attended synagogue (Luke 4:16) and His teaching was respected by the other congregants (Luke 4:15). He taught in the Jewish Temple (Luke 21:37) and if He were not a Jew, His going into that part of the Temple would not have been allowed (Acts 21:28-30).

    Although He differed with some of His contemporaries on how to keep the commandments (Matt. 12:12), He did not disagree on whether to keep them, saying such things as,”if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments,” (Matt. 19:17). When He healed someone of leprosy, he instructed him to,”show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded…” (Matt. 8:4, Lev. 14).

    Yeshua not only taught others how to live a Jewish life, He lived it Himself. The outward signs of this were such things as wearing tzitzit (tassles) on His clothing (Luke 8:43, Matt. 14:36, Strong’s # 2899) to serve as a reminder of the commandments (Num. 15:37-39). He observed Passover (John 2:13) and went up to Jerusalem (Deut. 16:16). He observed Succot (John 7:2, 10) and went up to Jerusalem (John 7:14). He also observed Hanukah (John 10:22) and probably Rosh haShanah (John 5:1), going up to Jerusalem on both those occasions as well, even though it isn’t commanded in the Torah.

    The inward sign of His Judaism was a circumcised heart (Deut. 10:16, 30:6).

    When faced with temptation, Yeshua answered from the Hebrew Scripture (Matt. 4:2-10, Deut. 8:3, 6:16, 6:13). When teaching, He taught from the Hebrew Scripture (Matt. 22:42-45). When admonishing, He quoted from the Hebrew Scripture (Mk. 7:6-13).

    Yeshua self-identified as a Jew (John 4:22) and as King of the Jews (Mk. 15:2). From His birth to His last Passover seder (Luke 22:14-15), Jesus lived as a Jew.

    Jesus died a Jew

    When Yeshua was taken prisoner by a Roman captain, his cohort, and some Jewish officials (John 18:12), He was delivered into the custody of the Jewish priests, elders, and scribes (Mk. 14:53). The Roman soldiers would not have placed Him under Jewish jurisdiction if He were not Jewish.

    Later, Yeshua was brought before the Sanhedrin, the Jewish council (Luke 22:66). He was charged with an offense against Jewish Law (Matt. 26:65-66, Lev. 24:13-14, John 19:7). Pilate, head of the Roman occupation, also recognized Jewish jurisdiction over Yeshua (John 18:31). This was because Yeshua was a Jew (John 18:35).

    He unequivocally identified Himself as the Messiah (Mk. 14:61-62) and as we have seen above, the Messiah must be Jewish. He said He is the King of the Jews (Matt. 27:11) and, as we have also seen above, the King of the Jews must Himself be Jewish. The Jewish crowd also called Him ‘King of the Jews’ (Mk. 15:12). He was mocked, spat on and beaten by the Roman soldiers as ‘King of the Jews’ (Mk. 15:16-20) and when they crucified Him, their charge was ‘King of the Jews’ (Matt. 27:37).

    The place of judgment had a Hebrew place-name (John 19:13) and the place of crucifixion had a Hebrew place-name (Mk. 15:22).

    Joseph of Arimethea, who took custody of Yeshua’s body, was Jewish (Luke 23:50-52) and he laid the body in his own new tomb (Matt. 27:59-60). Therefore, Yeshua was buried in a Jewish cemetery. He was also buried according to Jewish custom of the time (John 19:40). Without doubt, Jesus died a Jew.

    Jesus was resurrected a Jew

    Yeshua the risen Jew told his Jewish disciples to go out and teach all the Gentiles (Matt. 28:19, Strong’s # 1484).

    Then, after eating, talking and walking with His disciples, Yeshua, “lifted up His hands and blessed them” (Luke 24:50). What blessing is spoken with lifted hands? The Aaronic Benediction (Num. 6:24-26) is given in Synagogues and in Churches even to our day, and in the Synagogues it is still given as it was more than a thousand years before the resurrected Jew Jesus gave it: with lifted hands. In fact, another name for the Aaronic Benediction is “The Lifting up of Hands.” (see Sketches of Jewish Social Life in the Days of Christ. Ch.XVII. A. Edersheim. Eerdmans pub.)

    Rav Sha’ul (the apostle Paul) tells us that while he was on the road to Damascus Yeshua spoke to him from heaven in Hebrew (Acts 26:14). Sha’ul, a Jew who was born a Roman citizen (Acts 22:27-28), was fluent in Greek (Acts 21:37) and possibly many other languages, but Yeshua spoke to him in Hebrew, the language of the Jews.

    Sha’ul did not become a believer until well after Yeshua’s death and resurrection, yet an important part of his message is that Yeshua is a descendant of the Jewish king David (2Tim. 2:8).

    Many years after His resurrection, Yeshua testified that He is the root and offspring of king David (Rev. 22:16), and in a time yet future, two of His titles will be Lion of the tribe of Judah, and Root of David (Rev. 5:5).

    In Matt. 24:20 He told us to pray concerning the coming tribulation, that we would not have to flee on the Sabbath. And in Matt. 26:27-29 Yeshua told the disciples that He will celebrate the Passover seder anew with us in His Father’s kingdom.

    The standard He will use at the judgement is the Law God gave the Jews. To those who do not do the will of God, He will say, “Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness” (Matt. 7:22-23, Strong’s # 458, 459).

    In (Heb. 13:8) we are told Yeshua the Messiah is the same yesterday, today and forever. So, if He ever was a Jew He was resurrected a Jew, and He is one to this day.”

  167. Twosret says:

    I post one time about Hagee and this happens?

    Running away LOL!

    bj,

    lock me in my room and don’t let me out this time LOL!

    :)

  168. Twosret says:

    Tedders,

    It must be a full moon in day time or maybe election day? head to the polls people duty is calling :)

  169. AndrewS says:

    Bloody hell #$%%^*@#Jesus was not a Jew? Let us strip him from his nationality and get him to dance with the stars freaks

  170. wow, I still wait for a jesus that some scientifical, archeological remains or historical writings would confirm

  171. AndrewS says:

    You will be waiting for a long time dingo ^-^

  172. tedders says:

    ” Even Jews call him Jew.”

    Susan, I think that was the jest of the website that was disturbing to me.
    It seemed to be accusing Jews of pushing an agenda to claim Jesus as a Jew.

    I guess I didn’t make that clear. Of course Jesus was born a Jew.

  173. suzanne- wow.

    samer- suzanne has given a lot and the point i was going to make is regarding ethnicity. Yes Jesus is ethnically a jew, samer. in fact if you read the genealogies, you’ll find he is descendant from a whole line of other um… jews.

    egy- it’s acommenter123@gmail.com

  174. AndrewS says:

    anna,

    It doesn’t mean that Christians worship a Jew and it shouldn’t sound strange to you that Christians doesn’t like or “hate” the earlier Jews for killing their Lordie. Bingo!

  175. Roman Kalik says:

    Was Jesus a Jew?

    http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/jesus.html

    From a website that is a bit disturbing to me:

    During His lifetime, no persons were described as “Jews” anywhere. That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the “homeland” of the ancestors of those who today style themselves “Jews”. Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their “homeland”, and were known as Khazars. In none of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a “Jew”. The term originated in the late eighteenth century as an abbreviation of the term Judean and refers to a resident of Judea without regard to race or religion, just as the term “Texan” signifies a person living in Texas.

    In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called “Jews”, they have been unable to prove in recorded history that there is one record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as “Jew”. The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled “Jews” today refer to as “Jews”, were known as “Pharisees”. “Judaism” today and “Pharisaism” in the time of Jesus are the same.

    Jesus abhorred and denounced “Pharisaism”; hence the words, “Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers”.

    I haven’t read such an utter load of hogwash for quite some time now. Reminiscent of British Israelism and Christian Identity groups, as both groups did their best to make the racio-centric theory of Jews as Khazars a more acceptable premise in the fertile grounds of the very early 20th century. Both groups based their Christian identity on racial grounds, and thus sought to attack and demonize European Jews due to seeing them as an unjustified contester to the birthright of the Hebrews (as they saw it).

  176. Roman Kalik says:

    or historical writings would confirm

    Would the works of one Flavius Josephus count as historical writings? I daresay that they would.

  177. barbie moment- susan, even

  178. well explain why then AndrewS. and yes it is strange andrewS, since Jesus was quite hot on loving your enemies, if that is how they are perceived.

  179. AndrewS. says:

    I’m cool with Jews it was YOU who suggested the hate. I was giving you their side of the story. I’m not even a bee Jeeves fan.

  180. tedders,

    This is how the very Jews call him a Jew, if you know what I mean. Few good scripture references nothing more. This forum sounds like there is a bunch of deaf people talking to each other.

    Lunch hour is almost over.

    Susan barbie Susan.

  181. Twosret says:

    anna,

    I think if you elaborate more on your points it will help. Short sentences about big subjects might be misunderstood.

    Thank you.

  182. Twosret says:

    Egypeter,

    We are ARABIC speaking Christians :) . Or they can say Syrian Christians, Coptic Christians, Lebanese Christians, Palestinian Christians etc…….

    We are Pharoahs who speaks Arabic :)

    This is making me feel dizzy. I don’t know who is saying what anymore.

  183. Twosret says:

    Shobrawy whispers of madness blog post this on his site

    Tarboush tip Tarboush tip ShobShob

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ&eurl=http://www.whisperofmadness.com/

  184. Twosret says:

    And before the freaks attack and claim I support HizoAllah NO I DON’T. I LOVE what he said about never forget and never forgive about Bush. It is my fav. part.

    Capito?

  185. Would the works of one Flavius Josephus count as historical writings? I daresay that they would.

    “Flavius Josephus, the Jewish historian, mentioned Jesus Christ in a short notice, which was heavily challenged as to its authenticity. It appears that the Greek text was not well understood, and that a copyist error was unnoticed. The text does not say that Jesus was the Messiah, or that He rose from the dead. The Greek language sometimes uses a past tense where the meaning is an unreal event. Josephus did not hesitate about the virility of Jesus, but about his wisdom, because Jesus showed such a strange behaviour. The conclusion is that the testimonium is authentic, but only corrupt by errors due to a Christian copyists. ”

    Jesus, in the original text, wasn’t described as the Christ, but more as a “charlatan” or magician ;

    the roman historians din’t mention him as a person , but more as the whole christians entity

    cf Pline, Tacite

    the texts present many apostles scriptures influences, in any case, don’t confirm the existence of a Jesus, but of Christians, sure, as so mythraism

  186. “You will be waiting for a long time dingo ^-^”

    a dingo, dingo soi-même ^I^

  187. Twosret says:

    Nomad,

    If you don’t believe in Jesus why does it matter? you made your choice not to believe. It is your right.

  188. Roman Kalik says:

    Actually, Nomad, Josephus does not mention Jesus as being the Messiah. He simply said that a group of people who call him the Messiah are in existence, and are spreading far and wide. Josephus declaring Jesus to be the Messiah would be quite interesting, him having not been a believer in the Christian faith.

    The texts were indeed corrupted by over-enthusiastic copying over the years, that much is nearly certain. The passage in the copied Greek text of the 9th century looks like something written by a devout Christian, which doesn’t at all mesh with Josephus’ other written works, or even the rest of the same work for that matter.

    The best evidence that there was, indeed, a mention of Jesus in original version of the text is in the fact that a different version of the Testimonium Flavianum exists – in Syriac. Prof. Shlomo Pines translated this version, and the problematic portion reads as follows:

    “For he says in the treatises that he has written in the governance of the Jews: “At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus, and his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon their loyalty to him. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion, and that he was alive. Accordingly they believed that he was the Messiah, concerning whom the Prophets have recounted wonders” – Shlomo Pines’ translation, quoted by J. D. Crossan

  189. tedders says:

    Roman, so this is this uncorrupted version?

    “For he says in the treatises that he has written in the governance of the Jews: “At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus, and his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon their loyalty to him. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion, and that he was alive. Accordingly they believed that he was the Messiah, concerning whom the Prophets have recounted wonders” – Shlomo Pines’ translation, quoted by J. D. Crossan

  190. two, feel free not to answer, but are you of palestinian extraction?

  191. EgyPeter says:

    Personally, as an Egyptian, my focus and concerns are exclusively with EGYPT and not any other neighboring country (i.e. Israel and Palestine).

    I think it’s about freakin time Egypt gets its own house in order instead of adopting every single alleged ‘Arab’ cause out there. Until we do that Egypt will continue down the same destructive path it’s headed towards.

  192. Egypter,

    I got the original version of Marion Cotillard that makes controversion :

    she said that all she knows comes from the multi versions that anyone can find on Internet ; she is in questionning but not affirmating

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4lbdx_scandalemarioncotillardle11septembr_events

  193. EgyPeter says:

    I mean let’s be realistic here, Egyptians are no more Palestinian than they are Israeli.

  194. extraction? why do you ask anna?

  195. EgyPeter says:

    Eh, whatever Nomad, I still think she’s an imbecile, albeit a delicious imbecile!

    But don’t worry, I know she’s not reflective of all Fenchies :) Like I said, we’ve got idiots right here in America that believe that illogical and unscientific bullshit.

  196. I’m cool with Jews it was YOU who suggested the hate.

    I thought it was Patrick and Susan, who demonstrated it, Andrew.

    And before the freaks attack and claim I support HizoAllah NO I DON’T.

    Yes you do, Twosret. Just like you support HAMAS. And anyone else who is an enemy of Israel. Why lie? You’ve gone “on the record” a number of occasions.

    You’ve also gone on the record with your belief that any good Christian should hate Jews. And you aren’t even Catholic. That blog post is still up on Chez Twosret, isn’t it? Or did you delete it?

  197. you mentioned something about your grandfather pioneering photography in Palestine

  198. Egypeter,

    I know that many of your questions to me went unanswered mainly because of the way you asked.

    You have two choices:-

    1- if you have a question about who I am or want your questions answered feel free to e-mail me at Twosret@yahoo.com
    2- Ignore me all together and move on instead of being too offended to go indirectly at me.

    Those are suggestions nothing more :) the fact that I don’t answer to the trash people post doesn’t mean I fear them one bit.

    I would like to thank Sandmonkey for editing the trash, I know that it takes a lot of him to edit post or delete them but the attacks were personal and vicious.

    We balash yaa’ni a7na kamsreen nesharsha7 lebaa’d 3ib.

    Thank you

  199. She’s talking about her in-laws, anna. Her husband is Palestinian. Hope you don’t think I’m speaking out of turn, Twosret, but it’s important people understand where your activism comes from. Particularly on this subject, where you seem to be at odds with your fellow Christians.

  200. anna,

    My Grandfather NOPE re-read what I wrote.

  201. Oh anna, and why did I become of an interest to you when a second ago you said you don’t care if I answer :)

  202. By the way, anyone who takes Twosret up on her offer and e-mails her, I advise you not to tell her anything you don’t want used against you on the internet. And also, do NOT tell her your name or where you live. She’ll threaten you with a lawsuit if you ever say anything that makes her angry.

  203. Twosret,

    You are torturing Craig by your silence. Talk to him so he would stop. I will e-mail you.

  204. two, I said “feel free not to answer”, because it’s a personal question on a public blog. I was just interested

  205. My bad anna, you have my e-mail you can ask me in private if you wish.

  206. Samer,

    If you are e-mailing me about Craig please don’t. I have nothing to do with this person. Thank you.

  207. I will e-mail you.

    Be sure to respect her! :P

  208. Craig,

    Did you ever think of yourself as a stalker? everyday people meet people they disagree with or even hate them, and they don’t do what you are doing. If Twosret is the worst person on the planet, by now you should have given up and move on with your life.

    Men and women who have such persistence and strong emotions like yours, should be considered irrational or dangerous and a lawsuit might sound reasonable.

  209. Ya dee el nila, ya samer seebo bas keda enta betzawed el moshkala, law mahadesh rad aa’lih yemken yezha’ dah insan kadab we mosh tabiea’i khaless. Dah kan saheb wahda kont aa’arafha matkalmetesh maa’h gheir talat maraat aa’lshan khaterha we aa’reft aa’latool eno mosh tabeiaa’i we feeh haga ghalat.

    Dah mosh hayskot tool mahad beyrod aa’lih. Fehmet?

  210. brooklynjon says:

    Oh well, it was amusing and interesting for a while. But now it’s a slap fight.

    So way back when, in my college days, I was friends with a catholic girl from a devout family. (The girl was stacked, by the way). Anyway, her dad approached me and said, “Listen, bj, I think you’re a fine young man. But you should know that my wife would refuse to let my daughter date Jesus, on the grounds that he’s Jewish. So you may want to move on.”

    So I think this incident from 22 years ago should shed a great deal of light on Catholic theology and the Early Christian Church, and should contextualize any interdenominational disturbance among Jordanian Christians.

    Don’t thank me. I’m a giver. It’s my way.

  211. “The girl was stacked, by the way”

    Well it certainly made the story more interesting for me! LOL

  212. [q]Why? Of all Protestant denominations, they are the most unlike Catholics. Speaking of which, you realize that the Catholic Church is absolutely infamous for it’s strong arm conversions, do you not? There is hardly a place on this planet where one can go and NOT hear stories of Catholic prosletyzing. For a Catholic to criticize Protestants for missionary work really sets a whole new benchmark of hypocrisy. There are at least a dozen Spanish (Catholic) Missions within an hour’s drive of where I’m sitting right now in SOuthern California. [/q]

    Actually, Craig, Episcopolians are the most like Catholics of all Protestant groups. http://en.allexperts.com/q/Episcopalians-944/different.htm

    That’s what I’ve been taught since Catholic grammar school. Most disaffected Catholics, if they go anywhere, would go to an Episcopolian church. All Christian churches proselytize, whether Protestant, Catholics, or yes, even Greek and Coptic Orthodox who have missionaries all over Sub-Saharan Africa and southeast Asia. When I say evangelicals I’m referring to the “born=again” Christian movement that dominates religious discourse in this country.

    [q] vBecause you stated with authority that ALL Jordanian Christians are Palestinians. I don’t know how you could make such a claim, if you aren’t a Jordanian (Palestinian) Christian yourself? Surely you must be an Arab Christian, at least? How else did you become such an expert on Christians in the middle-east? Or are you just talking out of your ass? [/q]

    Craig, I say this with authority because it’s well known. Jordanians are an Arabian tribe, so they can’t be Christian. However, 60% of the population in Jordan is Palestinian, and many of them are Christian (though not as high a proportion as in Egypt or Lebanon or Syria)

    If you must know, I am an American from Los Angeles, my parents are Christians from Egypt (with a bunch of other Mediterranean nationalities if you go beyond that generation), my mother is Catholic, my father Coptic Orthodox. I actually have baptismal certificates from both churches and am a member at both parishes, though I don’t go to Church really aside from Christmas and Easter (Catholic) and I’ve been going to Catholic schools all my life, from Kindergarten through high school.

  213. Samer,

    Did you ever think of yourself as a stalker? everyday people meet people they disagree with or even hate them, and they don’t do what you are doing. If Twosret is the worst person on the planet, by now you should have given up and move on with your life.

    Did you ever apply that to yourself? You have taken it upon yourself to follow me around attacking and even threatening me for the “terrible” way I treat Twosret, and you don’t even know her. Or, so you say. Nor do you know me. What’s your deal?

    Men and women who have such persistence and strong emotions like yours, should be considered irrational or dangerous and a lawsuit might sound reasonable.

    And yet, you are the one who tried to find out where I live, and threatened me with a “beating”. You know, prison sounds pretty reasonable to me, for somebody like you.

  214. right on egypeter. yes, egyptians should come first in their own country really, shouldn’t they. thing is, egyptian nationalism flies in the face of current arab nationalism, and people who do argue that the needs of egyptians should come first are at best ignored.

  215. “The girl was stacked, by the way”

    I want to know more :)

  216. Egypeter,

    Which country comes first to you the US or Egypt?

  217. OBAMA won Vermont yes!

  218. awwww bj, their loss man

  219. brooklynjon says:

    anna,

    You got that right! It turned out that the girl was a psycho freak! Technically, she had Borderline Personality Disorder for those keeping score with a DSM-4 manual at home.

    But stacked she was.

  220. Jon, people can be so malicious. A certain somebody gave a woman I was involved with an ultimatum that she had to choose between me and her, based on me being a “zionist”. I find it really mind-blowing that people can be so racist that the happiness of their friends and family is only a secondary consideration.

  221. ““The girl was stacked, by the way”
    I want to know more ”

    So bj, did you ever, uhm……. seal the deal, so to speak before you decided she was a Borderline Personality Disorder?

    Come out Virginia, don’t let me wait
    You Catholic girls start much too late
    aw But sooner or later it comes down to fate
    I might as well be the one
    They say there’s a heaven for those who will wait
    Some say it’s better but I say it ain’t
    I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
    the Sinners are much more fun…
    you know that only the good die young
    You say your mother told you all that I could give you was a reputation
    Aww She never cared for me
    But did she ever say a prayer for me? oh woah woah

  222. @ #121. Very interesting about the shaved head thing. Twosret (aka mohamed) brought that up before to me once before.

    Try the name Sybil next. It is so appropriate :)

  223. Twosret,

    7ader 7ader bas 2aslo howa mezawadha 2wy. 2nti lazem bent gamda 2wy 3alshan testa7meli we teskooti.

  224. EgyPeter says:

    “Which country comes first to you the US or Egypt?”

    Ah, the age old question. My brother and I have discussed this one several times. And I’ll tell you what I tell my brother, I love them equally. It’s sorta like asking who do you love more your mom or your dad. You see Twosret, you and I have WILDLY different views on the US, absolute polar opposites.

    What about you Two, what’s your answer to your question to me?

    And Anna, I know, few Egyptians really give a shit about Egypt. Egyptians have lost their identity and now think that they’re Saudis.

  225. Twosret says:

    Let me see :)

    I lived for one year growing up in France, Switzerland, and four years in England. I can easily tell you that my heart is not in any of those countries :) those ones are easy to answer.

    Then comes Canada I fell in love with and it did compete with Egypt but after 7 years, I went to visit Egypt and I knew right away where my heart is.

    Then comes the US, I lived for two and half years as a student and then got married and since then living here for almost 9 years (including my student time). My children were born here, my husband lived her for 27 years, now you tell me how can it not be home? but my heart is still in Egypt.

    I know that when I moved to the US that I have chosen it to be my home and I will not to go back to Egypt……unless God plans this for me.

    I know that it sounds confusing but non of the countries above makes my heart beat fast and I become tearful when I miss like Egypt. It is the status of Egyptian who is not born in the US. Even second generations in the Egyptian church I go will tell you the same.

    I learned to disconnect myself when I adopt a new country and live like the Romans live :) I’m part of the society, culture, politics…..etc. I don’t live in America in a closed Egyptian community.

    I don’t think we differ as much as you think. Many people have the same views as I do and many people have views like yours. Nothing wrong with that.

    Complicated eh?

  226. Twosret says:

    Sorry my 3 years old wants to play with games she cuts me off. So in brief, America is my country and I live here and I enjoy my life very much here.

    The difference between us is when I disagree with America’s forgein policies like many Americans do you automatically think I’m not loyal or happy living here.

    I have to cut this short you know what patience means but my 3 years old doesn’t :)

  227. It’s a lot more than America’s “foreign policy” that you disagree with, Twosret. You don’t like America, or Americans, and you are only here because you and your husband are greedy and selfish. Nothing wrong with that, but you could at least do a better job of pretending that you aren’t an enemy of the country you reside in.

    I personally would prefer it if not just your heart but your ass was in Egypt.

    And yes, I feel I do have a right to say that. Sue me :)

  228. AndrewS says:

    Spin.Spin.Spin Craig dizzy yet?

  229. “few Egyptians really give a shit about Egypt”

    Give me some data to support that please.

  230. brooklynjon says:

    Personally, I understand immigrants retaining strong feelings for their country of origin.

    However, I must say that my great-grandfather, coming from Russia had a daily ritual of getting on his hands and knees and kissing the Brooklyn ground. He immediately learned English. His proudest day was the day he became a citizen.

    I work in a hospital that is a veritable United Nations. But when the carribbean or latino/latina nurses refer to “my country”, and it’s not the USA, my blood boils.

    Uh, and Americans have every right to question the policies of their government. With Obama surging, I may be spending four years doing that myself.

  231. Twosret says:

    bj,

    When you are leaving your country due to dire poverty or extreme circumstances sometimes you feel more that this is it. But when you are in any country due to academic achievements or business opportunity people don’t feel the need to kiss the ground of their new adopted country.

    I don’t visit Egypt yearly I haven’t been for 11 years, when i lived in Canada I only went back after 7 years. Part of it is to accept my new country and not to distract myself. I rarely compare things to Egypt like some Egyptians do (unless it is food )you miss your country and it is my root and where I was born and I’m very proud to be born and raised in Egypt but the US is my country. We have a saying in arabic that says your country is where your husband and children are.

    Are those nurses Americans or they are on a work permit?

    Places like Dubai and Saudi is where you make money not America. Educated people come and live here for the quality of life not for money.

    The witch is winning some states darn it!

  232. EgyPeter says:

    Samer, how about Egyptian loss of identity? How about the loss of Egyptian culture (circa 1950) and the adoption of Saudi culture?

    And personally, being the son of immigrants, I thank Jesus on my hands and knees for being born an American citizen ! :) And just about every single other Egyptian I know feels the same way…and I know a ton.

  233. Twosret says:

    EgyPeter,

    So you think that the Egyptian who is on his hands and knees kissing the ground is more loyal and a better American citizen? I know many people who abuse medicaid and every service in this country and they kiss the ground for being in America. What does that make them? Good Americans?

  234. Twosret,

    You hit the nail on the head, being grateful for the opportunity is different than being a good citizen. A whisper in your ears my dear, Wherever you live, you need to get some ideas from your Sheriff’s office about what they think of this online harassment. Call them tomorrow and print this page and ask to meet with an officer, the will most probably send someone to your house and make sure your report is official.

    Good luck to you.

  235. EgyPeter says:

    “So you think that the Egyptian who is on his hands and knees kissing the ground is more loyal and a better American citizen?”

    Uh, yes, I do. Especially compared to immigrants who come here and want to import/impose the very culture that they are fleeing from.

    “I know many people who abuse medicaid and every service in this country and they kiss the ground for being in America.”

    Well, they may be crooks, but crooks can still love America too. What does abusing Medicaid have anything to do with being patriotic?

  236. We have a saying in arabic that says your country is where your husband and children are.

    But, not if your husband is Palestinian. And not for you. Right?

    Places like Dubai and Saudi is where you make money not America. Educated people come and live here for the quality of life not for money.

    OK. Go there, then. Buh-bye.

    PS-Neither you nor your husband were”educated” before you came to the US, Twosret. You freeloaded off of us even for that.

  237. A whisper in your ears my dear, Wherever you live, you need to get some ideas from your Sheriff’s office about what they think of this online harassment.

    Oh, believe me, Susan, Twosret is well aware of what the police thing about abuse and harassment! And not just the online kind :D

  238. So you think that the Egyptian who is on his hands and knees kissing the ground is more loyal and a better American citizen?

    Twosret, do you believe yourself to be AT ALL loyal to the United States? On a scale of 1 to 10 where 10 is loyal and 1 is you, where would you put yourself?

    I mean, you do actively support our enemies, right? Is it even possible for somebody to be less “loyal” than you are?

    And, I don’t know if you are a citizen now, but you weren’t a citizen when you first started claiming to be one on this blog. You didn’t even have a green card when I first started talking to you.

  239. A whisper in your ears my dear, Wherever you live, you need to get some ideas from your Sheriff’s office about what they think of this online harassment. Call them tomorrow and print this page and ask to meet with an officer, the will most probably send someone to your house and make sure your report is official.

    I fully support that. I hope they contact me as well. And I’d like to get Sandmonkey’s blog archives examined by the FBI, both this new software and his old Google blog. I’d like to know who all the threats and and all the racist abuse that has been published here the last couple years REALLY tracks back to. I’d like to know who this “Samer” person is, and I’d like to know who YOU are, Susan. And I’d like to have copies of all the abusive and incriminating comments that have been deleted from this blog. I really would. I think Federal law enforcement officials might be able to turn up some interesting evidence as well.

  240. Actually, I think I will print this out myself and go to to MY local Sheriff station tomorrow and see if I can file a criminal complaint against Twosret for the threats this Samer guy made against me on her behalf. Twosret knows my name and she knows where I live, and for all I know “Samer” is a friend of hers or is actually her posting under a different name.

  241. Roman Kalik says:

    @tedders, #195:

    Roman, so this is this uncorrupted version?

    Most likely so, yes. Another theory contests this premise, saying that the Syriac text was merely a mistranslated form of the same Greek version of the 9th century that most are familiar with. I find the former (a variant version, freer of meddling) theory to be the more substantiated.

  242. Craig,

    I’m waiting for all your false allegations, let them tell you that I’m a Catholic Christian who lives in Kuwait. Go and report me.

  243. Twosret says:

    So tedders, you must have heard of the bad news of Clinton winning texas :(

  244. tedders says:

    McCain will win in November, that’s the only win that will mean anything. Clinton is unelectable and once the spot light get turned on Obama he’ll whither under the stress. The democrats sure have a knack for picking losers! Gore, Kerry, Clinton/Obama.

    Clinton owes her being in the race today to Rush, bizarre as that is. It’s a crazy year, no doubt!

  245. I think the big question now is who McCain will ask to be his running mate and to a lesser extent Clinton/Obama.

  246. Twosret says:

    EgyPeter,

    I disagree, Crooks doesn’t love their country, people who abuse public system doesn’t love their country. If you care for your country you care not to cheat the system and steal money from medicaid and welfare, if you care for your country you become a good citizen and excericise your rights, work hard, and be part of your community. If you care for your country you feel for the needy and work to cover your bills.

    Some immigrants from many different countries impose on America their bad culture and they abuse it and it will affect good citizens it will make the public system go bankrupt. They are dishonest and abuse every service available for those who need it.

    How many people immigrated from Egypt with a green card claimming they live in the US EgyPeter? When they are in reality living in Egypt?. How many of those collected social security and benefits from the hard working Americans tax money, that worked all their lives in the US. How many Egyptians have tons of money in Egypt and they hide it and claim poverty once they arrive in the US? count heads in your local church EgyPeter and the seniors in your church. I invite you to visit Jersey City and meet them. Are those the ones that kiss the American Soil daily?

    How many women came from all over the world and sneak and deliever their children in American hospitals so their children will have an American passport and never paid their bills?

    Voicing your political opinions is not imposing your culture, it is excercising your rights as a citizen.The fact that you EgyPeter doesn’t agree with some political views gives you no right to claim that you are more loyal. I would like to see you pointing at Carter or any Politician who have similar opinions as mine and call them Islamists. You won’t do that you know why? because they are white born Americans in power and you lose your argument.

    This is what America is all about, different people from different cultures and background that come together and excercise their freedom.

    To silence someone on the internet is Un-American, to try to practice fear tactics and point at them as Islamists simply because you disagree with them is Un-American. It is sad to see someone who was born in America acting the way you do.

    I have every right to defend innocents who dies anywhere in the world, I have every right to say no to invasion, aggression, and destruction. I’m not the only one in America so get used to live with us.

  247. Oh, I just found this, Hillary’s running mate!

    http://madhousewife.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/hillarybigfoot.JPG

  248. tedders, wellcome on uranus no matter who’ll get elected :mrgreen:

  249. EgyPeter says:

    “The fact that you EgyPeter doesn’t agree with some political views gives you no right to claim that you are more loyal. I would like to see you pointing at Carter or any Politician who have similar opinions as mine and call them Islamists. You won’t do that you know why? because they are white born Americans in power and you lose your argument.”

    Couple of things.

    1. I definitely don’t need a lecture from YOU on ‘loyalty.’ There is little doubt, and we both know it, on where we stand towards the Great Satan.

    2. Jimmy Carter is one of the world’s biggest douche bags. I hate him and think he is easily one of, if not THE, worst president in US history. And correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t think Carter was calling for Shariah Law, was he?

    3. I disagree with my brother on issues Twosret, and I’ve never called him a disloyal American.

    Twosret, it would be best to just end this right now. You’ve asked me to ignore your posts but it’s you that keeps addressing me.

  250. “Jimmy Carter is one of the world’s biggest douche bags. I hate him and think he is easily one of, if not THE, worst president in US history. And correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t think Carter was calling for Shariah Law, was he?”

    Absolutely the worst President in US history, did more damage to the entire worlds stability than any three axis of evil countries, and still preaches his contempt for US leadership to this day. Has not an ounce of class, thinks is uber failure of a foreign policy should still be followed today, aids and abides US enemies and talks ill of current Presidents that are much more successful than he ever was. You nailed that part EgyPeter!

  251. Twosret says:

    “Great Satan”

    What great Satan are you talking about I never heard of this term and don’t know what the heck do you refer to?

    You can think of Carter what you want but you can’t call him Islamists can you?

    “I don’t think Carter was calling for Shariah Law, was he?”

    And who called for Shariah Law I did?

    It was YOU who threw the temper tantrum accusing me of being Islamists and defending Islamists and indirectly keep posting after I ignored you replies to my post. It was YOU who assumed my support to innocent people getting killed as supporting Islamists.

    And you do need a lecture if you think that people who steal and crooks are good loyal citizens.

    End of story so now we both ignore each other posts.

  252. Twosret says:

    tedders,

    In my books it is George Bush but we can disagree on this one and many other things without a problem :)

  253. “but we can disagree on this one and many other things without a problem”

    Yes, that’s how people with good breeding and class handle themselves, isn’t it!

    The vast majority here know how to express themselves in mature terms, a few do not.

  254. Hey,

    Where did that big, long apologetic comment from Twosret go? You know, the one where a Libyan blogger was discussed :)

    Here one minute, gone the next. I guess you really do have the “key” to this blog.

    Did you have a change of heart? Too much information perhaps?

  255. Twosret says:

    I just googled Great Satan and OMG what the heck does this have to do with me or my views? quote me on where did I used such term.

    I recall in my posts with bj that I told him that not all muslims are violent and the fact that 180,000 muslims did a petition peacefully online is not such a bad thing. I think we should encourage peaceful objections over violent ones.

    I have always on every post on SM and other blogs called the Iranian president a clown and made fun of him. I have always denounced any shape or form of violence.

    I have expressed moderation when it comes to Muslims because unlike you I believe that in every nation and religion there are bad and good people.

    I can’t believe the amount of garbage you are throwing at me.

  256. I think EgyptPeter was just using the term, “the Great Satan” as a metaphor of how some people and their anti US sentiment feel that all evil in the world is the fault of the US, her policies, her people and mostly George W. Bush personally. Some people chose to blame the US for every ill and injustice in the world because as the most powerful nation, they feel the US should correct every injustice to their own liking and if that doesn’t happen then it’s all the US’s fault. I think he was implying that maybe the rest of the world is at least equally if not more responsible for the current state of affairs the the US……. or maybe he wasn”t! : )

  257. Twosret says:

    tedders,

    If this is the case then what a terrible choice it is to put it in a post directed at me. He should have known better really.

    I don’t think any religion needs to be defended by the people who adopt it. Many times Christianity has been slammed and I didn’t give a dime but this is how I look at it, it doesn’t mean that people who do peacefully should be labeled as bad people.

  258. Twosret says:

    “I guess you really do have the “key” to this blog.”

    You got it right I’m Sandmonkey heheheheeee

  259. Twos,

    I agree 100%

  260. “You got it right I’m Sandmonkey heheheheeee”

    I’ve suspected that all along!!!!

    NAAWWWWT!

    =: )

  261. Twosret says:

    LOL

  262. Saw it all :)

    And no, I don’t think you’re Sandmonkey. I can tell the difference between your writing style and his :)

    And you are the one who bragged about “the key” previously, you old bully :)

    It’s funny how I can remember all this unimportant stuff. LOL

  263. Twosret says:

    Hold on! I lost a key to one of the threads LOL! did anyone find it?

  264. EgyPeter says:

    tedders, you hit the nail RIGHT on the head in #263!

    Here’s news for you Two, I happen to LIKE George W. Bush and I’m voting for McCain (even though I have issues with him) You see, I see America as a global force for good, we’ve been at it now for only a couple of hundred years. And as the patriotic and loyal American that I am, I want to see the US remain the world’s sole superpower for the rest of eternity :) We’ve worked hard at this achievement and I’m not at all interested in relinquishing it.

    And I never called Carter an Islamist.

    And although I may seriously question your positions, I’ve never called you an Islamist either.

    *You got a little defensive.

  265. Twosret says:

    I’m all for America to be the super power. But super power comes with responsibility as you clearly said for GOOD. Not for illegal war and destruction. If Egypt was the country attacked instead of Iraq, how would you feel? You will still support George Bush and war.

    If we stop to fight for innocents who die from war who will fight for us when God forbid we are in the same position. No war has ended with positive outcome NONE.

    It is OK for me to get defensive when you launch such accusations of supporting violent Islamists based on misinterpreting me.

    I have nothing against you EgyPeter I never did, I could easily tell we have different views, I have made many friends here on this blog despite our disagreements but I have never accused you of anything or tried to add insult to injury.

    I wish you the best of luck with whatever you believe in and if you ever come my way it will be a pleasure meeting you.

    Just please take sometime to ask before you accuse me unfairly.

  266. Twos isn’t so bad at all, she believes what she believes just like we all do. She has her reasons for feeling the way she does I’m sure. Thank goodness we all don’t feel, think and vote the same way, like they do in Cuba! (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/19/world/main544555.shtml) There’s plenty of room for discussion of differing views, just show a little restraint sometimes. What’s the old saying: Restraint is the better part of valor.

  267. “Not for illegal war and destruction.”

    I think there are like 6 or 7 million Iraqi voters that would disagree with you on that one.

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050217/news_lz1ed17top.html

  268. Twosret says:

    tedders,

    You are throwing in the mix many complicated issues that I would rather not address now. I just wanted to clear my position with EgyPeter once and for all. I hope I did.

    In my College years in England I knew nothing about politics but I could see all the political groups in parks having debates. The co-existed without anyone accusing the other of being less of a Brit.

    Time for a break :)

  269. EgyPeter says:

    I also wonder if Iraqi Kurds share your views on the illegal and immoral occupation and destruction of Iraq? What about the Shias?

    Let me ask you this Two. Do you believe the American forces in Iraq, RIGHT NOW, are doing ‘good’ or ‘bad’ in that country? Very simple question.

    Btw- I don’t dislike you Two. We both know we disagree with each other but we can surely be civil with each other, right? Just like tedders said, that’s what separates us from the heathens. :) God bless you twosret!

  270. “God bless you twosret!”

    That does my heart so much good! It’s the only way to handle ones self. EgyptPeter and myself are both cut from the same cloth politically as are many other regulars here. Silly things are said here from both sides of the political spectrum, in the end we all want the same things, justice and security.

  271. Twosret says:

    EgyPeter,

    I truly appreciate your kind attitude. I’m not a military expert to respond to your question (I really mean it) but I can tell you that I want every soldier of this country back and safe. I stopped my car one day with my two little children sobbing over a funeral of a 22 years old. The air was thick and the silence around his funeral made me understand death more than I did before. I never knew him and I don’t know any army men except for a relative who walked me down the aisle on my wedding day to replace my deceased Dad. He is a pioneer in his field and he disagrees completely with how the war took place.

    When soldiers becomes peace keepers there is nothing wrong with that if that is what you refer to. If the army will be there to protect people from bombings sure but to invade and destroy a country and kill innocents that are caught in a horrible war NO.

    I hope I answered your question and as I said before I had nothing against what you write and I respect your views.

    Peace

  272. brooklynjon says:

    tedders and EgyPeter,

    If I may, please allow me to join your agree-fest. I think we see alike on many issues (though surely not all of ‘em), and can disagree respectfully with those who disagree respectfully with us. No?

    Regarding Twosret (feel free to listen in, Two), I think we start from different historical starting points, and perhaps are playing with a slightly different group of “facts”, in large part base on which news sources we view as credible. Yet I am left with the unshakable belief, that were she and I born to one another’s parents, we would be each other.

    I pretty much feel the same way about Craig. And as far as the bad blood between him and Two is concerned (about which I know little, and care less), I suspect it could all be worked out in my living room with a few gluten-free brewskis.

    Road trip to Brooklyn, anyone?

    You too, Sam!

    bj

  273. brooklynjon says:

    P.S. Yes, Carter is a douchbag. Yet douchebags are not without their uses…

  274. Wait till bj gets here and reads the lovefest going on! He’ll be so proud we did it without him!! LOL

  275. Oh bj beat me to it!!

  276. brooklynjon says:

    tedders,

    LOL!

    I’m very proud of you, kids. Let’s all go out for ice cream!

  277. What’s this gluten-free brewskis thing all about? Are you some kind of silly yak! (Celiac) !

  278. Let’s all go out for ice cream!

    and beer!!

  279. The vast majority here know how to express themselves in mature terms, a few do not.

    It’s strange how you seem to be friends with the two worst offenders, Tedders. And if you think Twosret has “class”, then you don’t know her at all.

  280. And as far as the bad blood between him and Two is concerned (about which I know little, and care less), I suspect it could all be worked out in my living room with a few gluten-free brewskis.

    You are wrong, Jon. Twosret did something to me and another “friend” of hers that can never be undone, and which is unforgivable. And furthermore, she has never sought forgiveness. She is quite proud of what she did. Twosret is NOT a nice person. She’s got some of you fooled into thinking her personality is salvageable. I understand that. She had me fooled for a while too.

  281. Blame it all on my roots
    I showed up in boots
    And ruined your black tie affair
    The last one to know
    The last one to show
    I was the last one
    You thought you’d see there
    And I saw the surprise
    And the fear in his eyes
    When I took his glass of champagne
    And I toasted you
    Said, honey, we may be through
    But you’ll never hear me complain

    ‘Cause I’ve got friends in low places
    Where the whiskey drowns
    And the beer chases my blues away
    And I’ll be okay
    I’m not big on social graces
    Think I’ll slip on down to the oasis
    Oh, I’ve got friends in low places

    I’m proud of ‘em all and I’ll defend them to the end!

  282. brooklynjon says:

    Craig,

    Perhaps we don’t know her as well as you do. But you know, sometimes you get off on a wrong foot, and a few beers can facilitate a new start.

    tedders,

    Gluten intolerant, but not celiac. But now that I’m off gluten, I can eat dairy again, which is great news for area ice cream parlors, but not so good for my girlish figure.

  283. I wasn’t taught the word “unforgivable” in Sunday school.

  284. brooklynjon says:

    Even Nixon went to China.

  285. My brother in-law had all sorts of problems, my sister, his wife, self diagnosed him as suffering from celiacs disease. Amazingly enough, she was right (after all she’s an art major!) It’s amazing the difference it made in him, although she’s gone a bit overboard on the whole “wheat is poison” thing! Thanksgivings have never been the same since! : (

  286. brooklynjon says:

    Yes, there are people who have “drank the Kool-aid” on gluten. All I know is, if I stay away from wheat and barley, I can pretty much eat anything else. But it seems that gluten intolerance is pretty widespread, and is associated with that other popular, emerging diagnosis: Vitamin D deficiency.

  287. Perhaps we don’t know her as well as you do. But you know, sometimes you get off on a wrong foot, and a few beers can facilitate a new start.

    I already gave Twosret 2 “new starts”, and she rewarded me for it with viscious and dishonest personal attacks.

    Tedders, how many times do you allow somebody to betray your trust before you stop trusting them? How many times do you let them do harm to you and your loved ones, before you decide to defend yourself , and attempt to warn others about what type of person they are dealing with? Would it be “Christian” to allow somebody to continue wrecking lives without saying anything about it?

  288. “Tedders, how many times do you allow somebody to betray your trust before you stop trusting them?”

    I would prefer a graceful exit, if you know what I mean.

  289. ” associated with that other popular, emerging diagnosis: Vitamin D deficiency.”

    I haven’t heard that one yet. Are you saying that vitamin D deficiency contributes to gluten intolerance? or?

  290. brooklynjon says:

    tedders,

    Gluten intolerance seems to contribute to Vitamin D deficiency which, in any event, is rampant in the western world. Our bodies are optimized for the conditions under which we evolved, which is pretty much running around naked in East Africa (which is what we were doing until pretty recently). Under those circumstances, we had a trememdous amount of UV exposure, which, in turn, resulted in Vitamin D levels which were probably orders of magnitude higher than what we’ve got now.

    In much of the world, entire months go by in which people get essentially no UV exposure, and are therefore mostly dependent on oral intake of Vitamin D. (this is the prevalent theory behind why infectious disease is a bigger problem in the winter than in the summer). Those who are gluten intolerant who still eat gluten will cause their intestines to become inflamed, which interferes with absorption of vitamin D.

    Bottom line: eat what you want if it doesn’t make you sick, and run around naked in East Africa.

  291. “and run around naked in East Africa.”

    Ah, the dream lives on!!!

    “we had a trememdous amount of UV exposure, which, in turn, resulted in Vitamin D levels which were probably orders of magnitude higher than what we’ve got now.”

    Mmmm, you know I work outside and get plenty of sun I can and always have been able to eat anything I like and thanks to a relatively high metabolism rate, keep my svelte girlish figure to boot! I do believe that health and longevity are always increased when you stay physically active and participate in life outdoors!

  292. I would prefer a graceful exit, if you know what I mean.

    No, I don’t. You mean you’d let vicious lies told about you (and others you care about) in public go unanswered? You mean you wouldn’t try to warn people that the perpetrator was attempting to befriend about it?

    Is that “classy”, Tedders? Or is it cowardly? There are people in this world who leave a trail of wreckage behind them wherever they go. “Twosret” is one of those people. And she’s very good at manipulation. Where I come from. We call people on their bullshit. We don’t let it pass.

  293. brooklynjon says:

    You’re almost certainly right. And it’s even better if you do it naked, and in East Africa. Speaking of which, no I did not “seal the deal” with my nutty but stacked friend, and thank G-d for that! She’s really nutty!

  294. “Is that “classy”, Tedders? Or is it cowardly”

    I think it is apparent to the most casual of observers that what is considered class and upbringing in New Jersey wouldn’t pass for the same in Texas.

  295. I, in the past that is, usually would try to, “seal the deal” before labeling, “stacked” girls nutty! You know, you have to give them the benefit of the doubt! : o

  296. I go to a meeting and I come back and find invitations for beer and ice cream. I’m all for peace :)

  297. brooklynjon says:

    tedders,

    Her degree of nutty became clear when she stalked my roommate, and then called me to say “goodbye” because she had ovarian cancer (at age 24). When I told her not to despair but rather to get a second opinion because at her age that diagnosis was highly unlikely, she stopped talking to me. Nuts!

    But oh, so nicely proportioned.

  298. brooklynjon says:

    Two,

    Yes, beer and ice cream at my place. Craig will be invited too, and you guys will be requested to behave in a civil manner towards one another, particularly in front of my daughters.

    Do you think we can get Nomad, the Frenchman, and the Raccoon in here too? And I think Red Tulips lives near me somewhere.

  299. bj,

    You want this crowd to meet your daughters LOL! I wouldn’t the first time :) Maybe I can bring my daughters and my nanny so the girls will play together with the nanny away from us :)

  300. Kind of a, “farewell cruel world” goodbye I imagine!
    The last thing she wanted was a positive prognosis!
    I think probably an examination would have been needed just to clarify the situation. I’m sure I need to stop now! ; )

    If she was stalking your roommate instead of you it just proves she was nutty! LOL

  301. tedders,

    Stop your obgyn rants right now LOL!

  302. “Yes, beer and ice cream at my place. Craig will be invited too, and you guys will be requested to behave in a civil manner towards one another, particularly in front of my daughters. Do you think we can get Nomad, the Frenchman, and the Raccoon in here too? And I think Red Tulips lives near me somewhere.”

    I predict a bloodbath!! Just kidding!

  303. I always said that if people are sitting together in the same room not the same blog the world will be a much better place :)

  304. I think it is apparent to the most casual of observers that what is considered class and upbringing in New Jersey wouldn’t pass for the same in Texas.

    You didn’t answer the question, Tedders. To talk about your other friend, is it “classy” that you defend somebody who made a public death threat against me? Is that what passes for good upbringing in Texas? You tell me I’m in the wrong when your friend threatens to put out a contract on my life? Is that good Christian behavior, Tedders? I suppose you think I deserved it when Twosret threatened a lawsuit against me for saying I thought she might have a drinking problem, as well? Interestingly, though, you never seem to have a problem when these friends of yours make abusive and bigoted attacks on people, do you? That’s some high quality Texas upbringing you’ve got there, Tedders.

    And before you complain, you’re the one who brought Christianity and “class” into the discussion.

  305. brooklynjon says:

    “If she was stalking your roommate instead of you it just proves she was nutty! LOL”

    Nah, my roommate was (and still is!) a really great-looking guy. Pretty face, very muscular, well dressed. I can’t blame her for that.
    And I have to say, the whole “confirmatory examination” angle was one I’ve never considered until now.

    Two,
    My girls never lift their heads from their laptops anyway, unless it’s to play with their Nintendo DS’s.

  306. I always said that if people are sitting together in the same room not the same blog the world will be a much better place :)

    What about that story you told me about how horribly your Jewish friends treated you, Twosret? They were so mean to you for being an Arab that you left the dinner table in tears, right? It’s interesting that these Jewish women invited you to dinner just so that they could treat you badly, isn’t it? I’m quite sure you didn’t make any offensive or racist comments to them. That would be SO unlike you, wouldn’t it? I mean, you NEVER make racist comments about Jewish women on blogs, do you?

  307. This goes to show how a misunderstanding can happen here is the original story I wrote on SM blog chatting with someone else:-

    I have said when I lived in Toronto I had a Jewish neighbor she was a food critique and inspired me to take cooking classes. She invited me over for dinner when some of her extreme Jewish friends made a horrible comment about Egyptians. The host was so kind that she gave her long term friends hard time for insulting her guest at the dinner table.

    I was praising my Jewish neighbor for her fairness in dealing with the situation. I don’t know who else was present while this chat was going on but maybe frenchman if he is reading this can remember.

    This is how when someone hates your guts read things totally wrong.

    I have never ever in my whole entire life made a death threat against anyone.

  308. bj,

    Oh no :) How old are they if you don’t mind me asking?

  309. What kind of horrible comment? Generally speaking, we (Jews) don’t think twice about Egyptians let alone make sweeping generalizations about them. Was it a Passover Sedar perhaps? That is when we talk about Egyptians and how horrible they were to us :)

    No death threats? What about threats of sexual violence then? Oh yeah, that was just a “friend” of yours.

  310. No Karen it was a pilot of a commerical airplane that made that comment at my neighbors house and you can’t speak for all the Jews out there.

    You can imagine what you want and accuse everything that walks and talks on this earth that you don’t like to be Twosret.

    It really bothers you very much to see peace happening between people. I have defended you before against vicious attacks by someone a long time ago but in return you fish for problems all the time with me.

  311. Craig, yes and yes. We all have our moments of strength and moments of weakness. Things are said sometimes that need to be forgotten, I’ve said horrible and stupid things to people I love dearly in fit’s of rage and frustration, that’s a human fault we all possess. Thank goodness they forgave me. Is it Christian to forgive? Absolutely. People deserve a second chance and sometimes a third and fourth. If I dumped or never talked to people I’ve known after one slight or disagreement I wouldn’t have anyone to call my friend today. Should one forgive to the point of self denial? No. The old saying comes to mind: fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I don’t know all the ins and out of what happened with you, Twos and this other person but I do know that to hold onto all the negatives and none of the positives is not only one sided. it’s not healthy, literally for you. There are always three sides to a story, yours, mine and then the truth. When there are three people involved the complexity of who said what and when goes up factorially or at least exponentially (yes I’m a math geek). As far as the way you address Nomad and Twos, I was raised in a manner that won’t allow me to be physical with a person of the opposite sex, no matter what she does says. That transfers over to the way I talk to and treat women in general. I just wouldn’t allow myself to address a woman, any woman in public or private the way I’ve seen you do here. That’s how I was raised. I was taught to never start a fight but to never walk away from on either. Is it cowardly to walk away from a fight? Not always, not if it’s the opposite sex your dealing with. I would remove myself from the situation before I did that. I’m not saying you should be on this blog at all, I’ve enjoyed many of your posts, politically speaking we have much in common. I just don’t see the point in day in, day out throwing the same insults and spears at these ex friends of yours. I’m not sure if any of this will sink in with you. We’re all wired differently, I can never stay mad more that a day or two. I consider that an asset.

  312. This goes to show how a misunderstanding can happen here is the original story I wrote on SM blog chatting with someone else:-

    Twosret, I didn’t READ that story on a blog. You TOLD me that story, on skype. And the story you TOLD ME doesn’t even remotely resemble the version of it you just told here. Which is another problem with you. You lie a lot. And it doesn’t help your credibility when all the offensive things you’ve said in the past get deleted from Sandmonkey’s blog, somehow.

  313. It really bothers you very much to see peace happening between people. I have defended you before against vicious attacks by someone a long time ago but in return you fish for problems all the time with me.

    That’s funny, Twosret, because the way I recall it is that Karen was your biggest victim on this blog, right from the start. Even going back to the days when you and I were still friends. That’s an interesting memory you’ve got, there.

  314. WOW you are so blinded with anger and hate that every fact you dispute, every truth you make it a lie.

    Enjoy your hate ride with Karen hopefully it will make you happy and leave me alone.

  315. Not always, not if it’s the opposite sex your dealing with. I would remove myself from the situation before I did that.

    How do you “remove yourself” from the situation, if the person in question is interfering with your relationship with your wife, or your girlfriend, Tedders? Both of these female friends of yours chose that tack. What do you call women like that in Texas, Tedders? And what do you think of them? I know the Bible has much to say on that particular matter.

  316. Twosret, you know what you said and did. You know very well. I’m quite sure I am not the only victim of your malice, over the years, either. You yourself told me many stories of people you victimized, only in your own mind you were the victim and they deserved your abuse. I actually DO believe you see yourself as the victim in all these incidents that keep happening to you. But guess what, Twosret… the whole world can’t be wrong, and you are the only one who is right! You have had SERIOUS difficulty with everyone you’ve ever tried to get along with, your whole life. That isn’t THEIR problem, Twosret – it is yours.

    I myself will not give you another chance. Our formaerly mutual friend convinced me to do that not once but twice, and I bitterly regretted it both times when you had a melt down and violated my privacy AGAIN and got abusive with me in public AGAIN, each time. I’ve had enough of you.

    Look at how you treat Sandmonkey? Do you want me to repeat the things you sued to say about him, his blog, and his fans? And how much you enjoyed messing with him? He lets you treat him like shit. That’s great for him. But I’m sure you’ve noticed, most people don’t put up with “friends” who treat them like dirt, for long.

  317. BJ, I’ll be very honored to get into your place and meet the great assembly you’ll handle there ; though I am often in mission on the atlantic “front” where I enrolled as a musketeer, would it be OK for a late apparition with my harnachement ? uh, nevermind if there isn’t ice-cream anymore, a glass of your delightful grapes wine would be just fine

  318. Twosret,

    You did not defend me. You told me I deserved it. Now, we don’t exactly get along or agree on much. However, when you sink real low and spew racist vulgarities at me, that is uncalled for.

    I think that we both don’t like to see people die in wars. I think we both believe in justice. However, where we differ is in who we blame for the wars and exactly who is deserving of justice.

    These differences are no reason to call me YOU JEW (as if that is an insult) or a filthy dirty zionist. You have a friend here who would fall under both categories and you should be ashamed to use those terms as insults. People who are classy and educated and brought up properly do not go to such lows.

    That’s all. I don’t want to bring up old dirt, but don’t act like you are so innocent. You are not.

    You know it and so do I. I don’t care what anyone else thinks.

    Ciao for now.

  319. Twosret says:

    Karen,

    Show me a quote where I called you filthy dirty zionist Prove it Karen. You are such a liar. Show me one quote where I called you YOU JEW.

    WOW you are very sick Karen very sick. I wish I had the time to go through two years worth of posts to prove how much of a liar you are.

    Craig,

    If I am the worst person on earth why do you bother? why don’t you just have better “class” and ignore people with such horrible personality. You know why? because you can’t get over it and instead of looking at your life and try to make it better you enjoy slander, lies, and taking advantage of people who won’t respond to your lies.

    Let me tell you Mr. Craig I paid triple what an American citizen would pay being an international student in Florida for my masters. That is the only education I got in the United States.

    I paid three times the average English student in England for my education.

    My husband came to this country at the age of 15 and paid his schooling and got two scholarships for his academic achievements and paid for it in return to underserved areas.

    He is a Physician that is honored by Harvard for being a role model.

    It makes you burn in Jealousy for “immigrants” to get recognition especially people you hate the most like Twosret and her husband

    Facts are:-

    1- I never met you in person I never spoke to you on the phone
    2- I only chatted with you on skype based on a request from a mutual friend
    3- There is nothing personal between us I am a married women who have few friends that I invite in my life with their families and my family

    You will wake up one day to realize that you have comitted a grave mistake and nothing you will do will make me trust you again.

    You stooped down to the level or dragging my husband that you have never met, chatted with, knew him in person and try to taunt us for being Palestinians. You went down to the lowest levels to try to drag a 2 and three years old many times to your vicious hate and anger.

    What a shame !!!! as a Christian I forgive you for what you have done to me because I know you must have some problem.

  320. Twosret says:

    bj and tedders,

    I appreciate your kind gesture to try to get this to stop but this is not going to work, I am so ready to vomitt from this subject that has been going on for almost three years.

    I will not respond to those two again and let them post what they want.

  321. EgyPeter says:

    Does anyone else think this thread is getting really old? Maybe we should all just move on…

  322. Twosret says:

    anna,

    I think I know what confused me in response to your. Sorry I was distracted.

    I posted to you # 187 and I think you didn’t see it. Then you responded to me #196 starting saying you don’t need to answer so I took the first part of your response as a reply to 187. Then came the extraction question :)

    Sorry I was distracted by the mess above. As you can tell by now I am married to a Palestinian-American Physician who doesn’t read or write arabic bas he speaks masri Fol :)

    this one is for you it is hilarious and whenever I watch it, it makes me laugh so hard :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfeoVObXSpY

  323. Patrick says:

    sheriff’s department visits over online “threats”…and such vicious arguments..this really reflects poorly on all involved, pretty pathetic altogether

    It’s amusing though, very entertaining, do keep it up

    And as questionable as carter’s performance may have been on the domestic front, he did, Egypeter, get the camp david accords signed, only through his tenacity and hard work and patience. I honestly can’t see any other leader doing it (maybe Eisenhower had he led during a different era) and it was America’s most successful foray into Middle East politics, did wonders to prevent further Middle East instability (just imagine how fucked up the place would be if the accords hadn’t been signed), and started America’s friendship with Egypt, which all Egyptian-Americans should appreciate and work hard to preserve.

  324. Twosret says:

    yes EgyPeter we agree please. Just watch the youtube video I posted to anna :)

  325. Twosret says:

    Okay this one is crazy laughable first few moments in arabic but the rest is very clear no translation needed.

    this show candid camera was watched by MILLIONS

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy6JcImKwBI

    enjoy it is hilarious!

  326. Patrick,

    And as questionable as carter’s performance may have been on the domestic front, he did, Egypeter, get the camp david accords signed, only through his tenacity and hard work and patience.

    Sadat wanted a peace treaty with Israel going all the way back to 1973. You give Carter too much credit.

  327. Twosret, you are a lying pig. Just like I’ve been saying about you all along. I’ve lost count of the number of lies you’ve told about me. You’ve even described me as dark and swarthy, even though you know very well I’m not. How much of an ass do you have to be to tell blatant and obvious lies about somebody’s physical appearance? I’m tired of you asking me to ignore you, and then when I do you show up and stab me in the back. It’s happened way too many times. If you want me to ignore you, you’ll have to get your ass off the internet. Or at least off blogs I read. I’m tired of your abuse, I’m tired of the way you play use multiple IDs to attack people, I’m tired of your lies, but most of all I’m tired of having MY LIFE adversely effected by YOUR malice. That’s right, Twosret. You have adversely affected MY LIFE. And somebody else’s. And it’s exactly what you MEANT TO DO, before you did it. This goes SO FAR beyond a flame war on the internet. I really have to wonder how you can call yourself a Christian at all. What kind of Christianity teaches people to have so much malice and spite as you have?

    And, that really takes some gall for YOU of all people to accuse somebody else of betraying trusts and confidences.

    Keep playing the victim. I’m sure you’ll never run out of people that you can sucker into believing it. You’re never going to be able to stop running away from all the damage you leave in your wake though, are you?

  328. By the way, Twosret, you did say those things to Karen, and more. I’m pretty sure it was when I started asking why you were being so abusive to Karen that you started getting abusive with me. So I have some recollection of that, first hand.

    As for your “defending” her, I’m sure you are referring to one of the many episodes where you logged in under another name and made outrageously abusive rants about her, and then logged in under “Twosret” and said “I’m sorry you had to hear that, Karen!”. Only problem is, everyone on this blog knew exactly what you were up to by about the third or fourth time it happened.

  329. Now, I’m done with this thread too.

  330. brooklynjon says:

    As far as I’m concerned, Carter could have personally found a cure for cancer, but his appalling performance vis-a-vis Iran would still make his Presidency a disaster in my eyes.

  331. You did it to me and you did it to a Russian girl who commented here a while ago. Remember her? She was married to a Muslim and converted. She was quite articulate. Well you and her got into such an argument and you were so flabbergasted and unable to respond to her that all you could say to her was “Russian Jew”!! And you did the same to me. Is that what happens when you spend your time reading Storm Front and David Duke? Imagine an Egyptian being inspired by white supremacists. They hate you as much as me Twosret and you don’t realize it. Also I don’t need to prove how bigoted you are to anyone because I don’t care what anyone thinks. I know you :) I have seen what you have written. Keep in mind Susan’s recommendation.

    I don’t care if you respond or not. In fact I prefer it when I don’t address you and you don’t talk to me. So let us just keep it that way. And next time you get the urge to tell me something, under your name or the name of one of your imaginary friends, DON’T!!

  332. Twosret says:

    bj,

    I agree with you on this one BUT I also agree with Patrick that the Camp David is a great achievement. I have to give credit where credit due.

  333. Karen,

    You and Craig keep accusing Twosret of total nonsense. I’m a MALE who lives in KUWAIT a Catholic and have nothing to do with Twosret.

    Why don’t you and Craig stop talking to Twosret all together and spare us the mess?. DROP IT! she didn’t respond to Craig and I was amazed at her strength for taking all this shit.

    IF SHE IS SUCH A DEVIL IN YOUR EYES LEAVE THE WOMAN ALONE.

  334. brooklynjon says:

    two, patrick,

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m glad as hell that Israel and Egypt are not shooting at one another, and haven’t in quite some time.

    However, I’m not so sure that this wouldn’t have happened without Carter’s involvement.
    I’m also disappointed in the peace between the two countries. It seems that they don’t have peace so much as an absence of war. I hope this will change in the future, but it’s been pretty disappointing so far.