Barak Obama is the Anti-Christ

The latest Clinton smear e-mail:

Obama 'Frightens Me'. The Bible has warned us that 'A man will come
from the East that will be charismatic in nature and have proposed
solutions for all our problems and his rhetoric will attract many
supporters!'

When will our pathetic Nation quit turning their back on God and
understand that this man is 'A Muslim'….First, Last and always….and
we are AT WAR with the Muslim Nation, whether our bleeding-heart,
secular, Liberal friends believe it or not. This man fits every
description from the Bible of the 'Anti-Christ'!

I'm just glad to know that there are others that are frightened by this man!

See..they are not afraid of him because he is black. They are afraid of him because they think he is the beast of the apocalypse. That, like, transcends race. Take that Barak. Take it you anti-christ Bitch! 

Comments

  1. Why do I get the impression the Obama campaign made that one up?

    Could it be because the real rap against him is that his speeches say one thing, and his position papers say another?

  2. Mike Nargiziain says:

    Yeah, “they’re” so afraid of him that he’s kicking her ass in just about every state… while he has some real issues in his background that the press has barely touched bcs he’s a young charismatic black candidate.

    Come on man… I hear ya, there are some bible belters like this but they’re the minority.. obviously… and if the dominant culture and press is the opposite of this… **the press will barely criticize the guy** which is why the Saturday Night Live clip mocking the last debate got so much legs***.

    Sorry, I’m with you in criticizing this… just doesn’t get much legs with me considering what I’d see any 1 night I turn on Al Jazeera… let alone Egyptian or Syrian state television.

    Oh, did you read the Arab League passed a resolution against “all forms of racism and zionism which are detrimental to peace and stability in the world”….

    WHEW…. glad we got that one out of the way.

    Mike

  3. Mike Nargiziain says:

    I mean glad to see there’s no official racism, descrimination, sexism and of course homosexuality (it’s an Oriental thing) in the Arab world…
    Now if only the US could pass a lot of meaningless resolutions like the UN, Arab League and EU do on a weekly basis… like telling me and my family how to raise kids…. then the world would be so much a better place…

  4. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23601329#23601329

    I can’t say it better. I hope this video works.

  5. Jesus Christ Mike, what does this have ANYTHING to do with the Arab media? This is a disgusting smear email probably spun out by Clinton’s malicious surrogates who will stop at anything to win the nomination (and go on to lose the presidency) even if it means destroying the democratic party for good. Do you have at least a minor passion for democracy to care about these kind of base attacks that, more importantly, are ABSOLUTELY FALSE?

  6. Patrick, would you even give shit if Obama wasn’t your favored contender? Or would you be one of the ones out there smearing him, and bashing the hell out of anyone who called you on it?

    Same to you, Twosret. You’ve never hesitated to sling mud at politicians you don’t like. How do the two of you (of all the people on this blog) have the moral high ground?

  7. brooklynjon says:

    I don’t have a dog in this fight.

    But the fact remains that the Obamaniacs like to point out how exciting it is to be able to elect a black man to the Presidency – y’know it’s historic, etc. But if part of the reason some of his supporters are supporting him is that he’s black, why is it racist to point this out? If Obama wants to have a campaign in which race is ignored, then I give him a world of credit. But in that case, it has to be ignored by him and his supporters also.

    That being said, I have thought Geraldine Ferarro an idiot for around 25 years.

  8. I am all for electing old white guys. Heck, that has never happened before.

  9. Craig,

    You are sick and you need help.

  10. Patrick,

    LOL I couldn’t stop laughing reading what he wrote :) ditto!

  11. Valerie,

    It wasn’t Obama who made this up it was the lowest of the low Glenn Beck who made this up by asking Hagee if he thinks Obama is an anti-Christ.

    i told you before to go and read a bit before you post but you were too arrogant to listen.

  12. Craig is always angry.

  13. Craig, I obviously wouldn’t care as much if Obama weren’t my favored contender, but I’d still care. I find it disgusting when any politicians are attacked by fabrications, that though are false, get air time and somehow people start to believe, whether it’s these absurd smear emails, the “Swift Boat” Liars (none of them were even on kerry’s swift boat if i remember correctly) or the rumors of McCain fathering a black child.

    I’m sure you, Craig, don’t mind these baseless attacks against Obama, however. You’d probably be one to encourage them.

  14. John Cunningham says:

    Another talk show host they know all about, but they never watch. I watch and listen to Glenn Beck everyday.. He, of course hears those that blatantly spread lies and shows where they’re lying, because they are vile disgusting commu, whoops, I means democrats and islamofacist vermin. Since he has the original boradcast and I have seen it the first time when he shows where they lie it’s amazing how stupid those liars are. These vile, scum, lying pieces of shit get nervous when they’re put under the microscope.

    You’re known by the company you keep. BO has had his head up the matchbook cover preacher’s ass for TWENTY years. How you gonna’ ‘splain this one BO?

  15. Man, you guys are ….something..unless you’re a MD shrink,
    nevermind.
    Anyway, there is also a rumour going around that Oprah and Obama are going to start their own religion

  16. Twosret:

    I didn’t say Barack Obama made it up. I said that the Obama Campaign made it up. There is a difference.

    The Barack Obama Campaign has been training its volunteers to say something different from what Barack Obama’s speeches say. I know this because I live among them, not because I got it off the web. This is not an accident, it is a strategic choice that spans a number of issues important to voters.

    Another thing the Barack Obama Campaign likes to do is take the most extreme silliness that originates with the far-out right wing of the Republican party, copy it, and attribute it to the Clinton campaign. Then Barack Obama tries to tie it to Hillary herself.

    You might not recognize the references in the email, but it has easily identifiable evangelical christian references that are nothing new, and have nothing to do with the Clinton campaign. Hillary Clinton is a liberal Democrat. She doesn’t do Revelation, and neither do her supporters. Obama’s supporters include evangelical christians. Obama’s Campaign has been known to do pre-emptive strikes before. This is particularly noticeable because the Obama Campaign has selected something that speaks to its own supporters, not to Hillary Clinton’s.

    It’s dirty politics Tom Daschle style, probably because Tom Daschle’s former staff is so prominent in the campaign.

  17. I’m sure you, Craig, don’t mind these baseless attacks against Obama, however. You’d probably be one to encourage them.

    Which is why I’m sure you’ve seen me slamming Obama all the time, right Patrick? It’s you and Twosret who spend all your time viciously attacking American politicians on this blog. Don’t you have anything better to do? And the holier-than-thou crap from the two of you is tedious.

    Twosret,

    You are sick and you need help.

    What happened to that request you e-mailed me that the personal attacks stop? Is that deal off, again? What a surprise! :P

    You didn’t last more than a couple of days before you started getting abusive and obnoxious again, did you? I know, you just can’t help it. I noticed that about you a long time ago.

  18. @ #8

    Excellent point, brooklynjon!!

  19. you are sick Craig and you need help

  20. you are sick Craig and you need help

    That’s the third time you said that, Twosret. Do you even realize in those e-mails you sent me (unsolicited I might add) that you admitted to things and then denied them in the same sentence, on multiple different occasions? And then you blamed a third party for not just all of YOUR bad behavior, but for all of MINE? If you want to pretend somebody else forces you to be a jerk, that’s up to you, but leave me out of that game. That particular person did nothing but try to be a peacemaker. Try taking responsibility for your own actions, Twosret. You are an adult, right?

  21. Get some help Craig you need it.

  22. Amen to that Twosret, but I think he should watch out now as there’s very tough competition up and coming in the retardness and cartoonishness categories, materializing in the charcter of John Cunningham. Please read his remark again rgarding Glenn Beck, and how he highly reveres and respects him as if he’s some kind of an intelligent entity capable of rational thinking and reasoning, well, Johnny, I don’t think that even Glen Beck respects himself that much.
    Keith Olbermann was so right when he called Glen Beck’s rantings “are the kind of talk we get when stupid men think” and that he’s “the stupid man’s thinker”.

  23. Get some help Craig you need it.

    Five and counting! And I see the type-in-name allies have started appearing :D

  24. I remember this alter-ego name “Mohamed” from the eep days, Twosret. Strange he never comments here except when you are getting defensive, isn’t it?

  25. Mohamed,

    Paleaze, don’t even get me started on Glenn Beck he is scum.

  26. Craig,

    You are very sick and you need help.

  27. Twosret,
    He thinks we’re the same person :) , awesome. Thanks for proving my point for the billionth time Craig, and that point was that really bad ideas and things happen when certain people (mainly you and 90% of the people who read this blog) try to put two and two together, i.e. think, because I guarantee you that you’d reach the most incredible and wrong conclusion everytime, that’s why there’s prepackaged thinkers for you (Rush, Glen Beck, Savage and a whole laundry list of hillbilly criminals), so in my opinion, thinking in your case is a really really bad idea, just listen to Rush, then parrot his gems of wisdom later, as you’ve always been doing.

  28. Mohamed, you obviously aren’t Twosret because your English is much better than hers :)

    But the question of why you only comment here when Twosret is getting defensive remains. Does she have you on speed-dial or something?

  29. Craig,
    She’s more than capable of defending herself, and actually her English is way better than you and me and Johnny Cunningham (in spite of the Oxfordian Rhode scholarly ring of the name), and I bet you she knows like ten more languages than you.

  30. LOL!
    You peoples are actually funnier than the Monkey on this one:)

    But seriously, isn’t the antichrist supposed to have no religion? Or some universal religion? Muslims believe in Mohammed, yes? Muslims-so I hear-
    are so radical about their religion being the only way, they freak out and start killing everybody. I’m pretty sure it says the antichrist is neutral religious-wise
    but I could be wrong

  31. Craig you are very sick and you need help.

  32. Mohamed,

    He accused half of the blog commentators to be me don’t worry he is very sick and he needs help.

  33. She’s more than capable of defending herself

    Really? Is that way this blog gets flooded with type-in-name Twosret defenders every time somebody reacts to her abusive comments?

    and actually her English is way better than you and me and Johnny Cunningham (in spite of the Oxfordian Rhode scholarly ring of the name)

    No, it isn’t. You can claim her English is better than yours if you like (even though that’s the one obvious reason why you can’t be her!) but her English is actually pretty bad. I suspect half of the problem she has with people on blogs is that she doesn’t understand what people mean. And the other half is her just being nasty.

    and I bet you she knows like ten more languages than you.

    You bet? lol.

    Well, she knows one more language than me, anyway.

  34. Fuck off Craig we are sick of you.

  35. He accused half of the blog commentators to be me don’t worry he is very sick and he needs help.

    No. There are two types of commenters on this blog, Twosret. The ones who are here even when you aren’t, and the ones who only show up when you are in a pissing match with somebody. Some of the latter may not be your sock-puppets, but still… there is some kind of reason why they only show up when you need help, isn’t there?

  36. Fuck off Craig we are sick of you.

    Who is “we”, AndrewS? And who exactly are you supposed to be, anyway? You seem to absolutely loathe everyone who comments on this blog, so who are you speaking for, buddy?

  37. Mohamed,

    He floods the threads with his fucking shit. I’m a regular here and watched him going at her spewing his fuck fest on every thread. Even when the woman doesn’t reply to him for over a month he won’t stop.

    Fuck that shit man.

  38. John Cunningham says:

    Since you’ve never seen or heard Glenn Beck, he’s on 450 radio stations, Monday through Friday, 9am to noon, eastern. He also does a one hour television show from 7pm to 8pm, Monday through Friday on Headline News. You’ll then find one less person to hate, but, it’s a start.

  39. John Cunningham says:

    Oh, Mo, not to make excuses, it may have been the two beers that let me slip on the keyboard and also let them get by, before I hit send.

  40. Christina says:

    Glenn Beck YIKES! he sucks.

  41. “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.” (1 John 2:22-24 KJV)

    So, if Obama denies that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God, he could be an anti-christ – one of many.

  42. joanne,

    Obama doesn’t deny that Jesus is the Christ. He is Christian so your point is ?

  43. He floods the threads with his fucking shit. I’m a regular here and watched him going at her spewing his fuck fest on every thread.

    No, that’s you with all the abusive personal attacks on the other commeters, numbnuts. That’s all you do on this blog. You think nobody noticed?

    Even when the woman doesn’t reply to him for over a month he won’t stop.

    She sent me 5 emails a few days ago. Asking for yet another ceasefire, after I already said repeatedly that I would never agree to that with HER again. In her emails, she blamed the very person who talked me into giving her a second and even a third chance, a couple years ago, for all the shit that she herself started. She also was the first to be abusive, today. So, no, buddy – FUCK YOU! And FUCK HER. And fuck everyone LIKE you. You’re scum.

  44. anotheranonymous says:

    Headlines read

    “ex-combat marine is converting to Islam to marry an islamists”

    sounds familiar Craig? why don’t you tell people on this blog that you are dating an Islamist girl. Do you want me to get Adam to testify on your dual personality?

    “Do not be deceived: God can not be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction”

  45. LOL
    I don’t think I’ve ever written on a site like this:)

    my point is the antichrist doesn’t believe in anyone but himself and will do whatever it takes to get as many souls as possible.
    And, I’m taking a wild guess here, but he’s probably not stupid.
    I’m guessing he has no problem lying.
    My feelings are that one is truly a CHristian by letting Jesus Christ into your heart-believing he died for us-Only God knows who has let his son into their hearts-who are we to judge if someone is a Christian or not…works and words seem irrelevant

  46. christina/ohio says:

    You know I kind of expected the Clintonista’s to go after him someday but I find it histerical that mny of us considered Hillary the beast during the 90′s and here she’s pointing to another using the same plays!

    There is the little BO problem of the millions of dollar earmarks given to his wife’s employer right after her salary doubled for the same job so virtually next he could be turned out of his Senate seat (impeached?) `ala Randy Duke Cunningham who is doing time in a California prison system for the same thing!

  47. christina/ohio says:
  48. christina/ohio says:
  49. Christina/ohio,

    I think the earmarks of Barack Obama is impressive and legit. His wife salary is not unheard of in the business world. Barack Obama will not be impeached for any of this.

    The kitchen sink strategy will only hurt Hillary not Obama.

  50. With respect to all, have you forgotten that Bill Clinton was also declared to have been the antichrist?

    Just askin’:)

  51. :) :):)
    Hmm..does the devil go inside a Church? Maybe. I have no idea.
    I know people who carry Holy Water, so I’m not so sure about any of it.
    I’m guessing there is One Antichrist and a ton of his demon warriors.

    Thanks to Sophia and Joanne for the thoughts:):)

  52. Anna-A is a Conspiracy theory lover. Are you an Arab Anna-A?

  53. christina…at least Obama released his earmarks, something McCain and Clinton have refused to do. Every politician earmarks are going to be somewhat controversial, none of Obama’s earmarks are particularly shady actually.
    The University of Chicago hospital system is a pretty big organization that has received federal earmarks long before obama became Illinois senator.

    Why haven’t Hillary or McCain revealed their tax returns? Why hasn’t Clinton disclosed the full list of donors to her husband’s library? Obama has been totally honest and transparent this entire campaign, the other candidates must have a reason for hiding something.

  54. Who is Glen Beck?

  55. LOL Samer
    Actually, I am spending my weekend packing boxes and moving with a U-Haul.
    Is everyone jealous?
    This has been a fun break for me.
    So, I don’t sound like an Irish catholic/prod-yes, I’m both
    :)
    My brother-in-law is Muslim..do you think that’s it?
    I just have a difficult time thinking all Muslims are evil

  56. Anna-A,
    It’s so nice and generous of you having “difficult time thinking all Muslims are evil”, your level of tolerance is so refreshing, you’re such a sweet and open minded bigot/idiot. How old are you? Five and a half? That might be your only excuse.
    Jeez, is there an inexhaustible supply of you people?
    Here, take it from one evil “Muslim”.

  57. Okay,
    I remember that
    Thanks:)
    I was only commenting on the Monkey’s quote.

  58. Would you believe I’m sweet sixteen?
    :)

  59. I shall pretend I am an Arab now and just make things up that you want to hear

  60. Maybe……
    I should just say…
    YOU SUCK!
    YOU”RE SCUM!
    YOU ARE A SUCKY ASSHOLE
    F*&K off, I’m tired of your F^%kfest!!!
    We’re sick of you, go to Hell…
    what else?
    I will have to review the comments so I may conform.

  61. Sixsteen???????????? That’s still very close to five and half years old. I completely mistook your naivety and innocense for bigotry and condescension. I’m really sorry for being so harsh.
    Don’t read the comments and don’t conform, that’s a bad idea, I even suggest that you’d wait for five more years before checking this blog again :) .

  62. John Cunningham says:

    Christina, since you’re a regular listener/watcher, tell us why with all you see do you come away with such an opinion.

    There’s an 800 pound gorilla in the “room”, BO’s “spiritual advisor” that you won’t hear about on CNN or MSNBC. Can anyone explain why after attending for TWENTY years one would never have heard the preacher’s farrakhan type rhetoric? BO didn’t hear a thing? Yea, right.

  63. hey mohammed, lay off Anna-A.
    Anna-A, ignore him.

    Regards,
    Anna-B ;)

  64. Did Anna-A just quoted me? I thought sixteen girls have better manners than old hags. We should trace her IP and let her parents know :)

    anna,

    we have two of you now. Horror.

  65. Sophia 51.

    With respect to all, have you forgotten that Bill Clinton was also declared to have been the antichrist?

    Haven’t forgotten at all. It’s an Evangelical thing. They do it every time a politician they don’t like gives a good speech.

    On a separate but related topic: Last night I watched Barack Obama deny that he’d ever heard his pastor give any of those venomous speeches that are circulating on the ‘Net. This morning, I find that somebody (Rich Lowry) had bothered to read his book recognized some of the quotes, and posted them.

    Barack Obama, in his book, “Dreams of My Father” wrote about pastor Wright’s sermons, and included quotes that are recognizable in the clips. The post is from National Review Online, most definitely NOT part of the Clinton campaign.

    The Obama Campaign keeps accusing Hillary Clinton or her campaign of attacking Barack Obama, when they know very well that the rough stuff has an entirely different origin. They do this because they do not want to answer her real point, about “change you can Xerox.” First, they tried to mischaracterize that point as being about plagiarism, when it really is about being so inexperienced that he hasn’t arrived at any position, and is just borrowing his policy positions without any critical thought.

  66. I certainly hope he is the ANTI CHRIST – because that means he will WIN!

  67. WHAT is the status on Hillary Clintons dealings with Norman HSU?

    Can you shed light on this?

    http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2007/09/norman-hsuhillary-clinton-corruption.html

  68. I thought Janet Reno is the anti Christ.

  69. Twosret,

    “It wasn’t Obama who made this up it was the lowest of the low Glenn Beck who made this up by asking Hagee if he thinks Obama is an anti-Christ.”

    ———–

    It’s amazing that gullible people like you would mischaracterize and distort what actually happened with this story. Did you even watched Glenn Beck the other night when he did a story on this “controversy” or did you just get your talking points from Keith Olbermann who got his talking points from Media Matters, who in a feedback loop got their talking points from Keith Olbermann?

    Here is what happened:

    Glenn Beck received emails from people warning him that Obama was the anti-christ. He laughed and scoffed at those people’s claim, and he also jokingly laughed as he asked John Hagee about Obama being the anti-christ, but the all wise Olbermann edited that video clip to give the impression that Beck was being serious. A while back, Glenn Beck said this:

    “But everybody on both sides have either deified their candidates and made it absolutely right on everything and it’s that way or it’s nothing, or they’ve taken the other side and they’ve looked at the other candidate and said they must be the antichrist. “Oh, George Bush is the most evil guy ever to be in the presidency.” And now people are doing exactly what they did to Bill Clinton. I mean, I’m getting the mail that, you know, Barack Obama is the antichrist. Come on.

    When we strike the reasonable balance and say, okay, I can completely disagree with this guy’s policies but you know what, this part over here is pretty decent or this part over here, we may actually have a chance to be able to make some real progress.”

    When Hagee was on his show a few days later, he jokingly asks what he characterized as “a light hearted question belittling those who believe every new politician on the scene that doesn’t agree with them is the antichrist.” Beck was making fun of those religious nuts, if that wasn’t obvious to you.

    But, just as Beck predicted two weeks prior to that, people like Olbermann and you would distort what actually happened and accuse him of something he does not believe in.

    Rather than examine all the available evidence and think critically, you’d rather allow others to tell you what to think because you assume the worst in people.

  70. @ Mike Nargiziain:
    “The EU” is telling you how to raise your kids? …And it’s passing a lot of meaningless resolutions (like the Arab League!!!) ? Sorry to say so, but you’re a little confused and you obviously don’t know a lot about EU institutions (Commission, Parliament, Council, Court).
    I don’t blame you on that, it is a bit of a complicated structure but you shouldn’t be so quick in generalizing and labeling.

  71. brooklynjon says:

    Actually, I’m the anti-Christ.

    I’m sorry…I should have fessed up sooner. My bad. It just slipped my mind.
    Yeah, that’s me. Ol’ 666.

    So, uh, Janet Reno is off the hook.

    Anna-A,
    Don’t feel bad that you were called “condescending”. I get called that too from time to time. It seems that some people confuse being nice with condescension. But did you catch that bit in the apology where you were called naive? You know what that is? That’s actually condescension. Which makes it all deliciously ironic, no?. Anyway, welcome.

  72. Angels-
    I’m just naturally nice.
    really.
    I’m not being fake.
    I came to thank anna-little a- for being so kind and caring,
    and now I see BJ is a sweetheart as well.
    I know this is a Muslim site,
    but both of you are in my prayers…
    and that is from an Irish colleen:)

  73. Touche’ BJ, got me there : ) .

  74. JT @ 69,

    Do you think it will matter?

    brooklynjon @ 70,

    It is time for me to come out of the closet too.
    Perhaps, we should start Anti-Christ Anonymous.

    Twosret,

    Either your comprehension is locking or you are not used to thinking for yourself. TMHO it is little bit of both and if you will try you will be able to correct latter at very least. Once you get that out of the way former will improve too. Scout’s honor.

    AndrewS and Craid,

    I think if you were to stop using profanities and insults in your posts you could be taken much more seriously (no excuses, please).

    Leo,

    You should get off your high horse and stop telling people what to do. You, arrogant jerk.

  75. Anna-A, you’re amongst family sweets. They do say that princess Scota of EGypt enjoyed the irish craic so much, she never left and that she is the ancestor of the gaels. I like to believe it’s true -I mean what other explanation do you have for the corrs’ sisters having black hair??

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scota

    As for Andrew, he reminds me of those junior high boys who used to sit behind us in class, to pull our hair and poke us in the back because they couldn’t get our attention any other way. So you guys never stop doing that, eh..

  76. and thankyou for your prayers. greatly appreciated.

  77. Actually, I’m the anti-Christ.

    yeah, we know your the king anyway :mrgreen:

  78. Leo and JT,

    So if someone doesn’t agree with your political stances then they don’t think for themselves? Patrick, Mohamed, and others must be having a good time laughing at your idiotic remarks.

    And why pick on Twosret only? any personal vendetta? or is it because she is pro-Palestinian and that bothers you much. I looked up Beck and he is a racist piece of trash that doesn’t deserve one minute on air.

  79. And what’s up with Leo speaking to Leo? is Leo and JT one?

  80. Anna, ooh and I forgot, Happy St. Patrick’s day, I haven’t got a shamrock, but i’m wearing green socks, if that err counts. enjoy! :)

  81. “So if someone doesn’t agree with your political stances then they don’t think for themselves?”

    Samer, the fact that you even had to ask me that makes me question your intellectual maturity. No one needs to agree with me or Beck. Disagreement is fine and healthy in a discussion, but distorting the facts because you’re too lazy to do your due diligence is irresponsible and needs to be called out. Simple enough?

    No, I am not Leo. Using sock puppets to support one’s side is a pathetic tactic used by the intellectually deficient and I have never done that, ever.

  82. christina/ohio says:

    John McCain doesn’t have an earmark list to publish because he has never submitted an earmark. I thought that was common knowledge?

  83. “Samer Says:
    March 14th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
    joanne,

    Obama doesn’t deny that Jesus is the Christ. He is Christian so your point is ?”

    My point is that if he denied Jesus was the son of God, then he could be considered an anti-christ – one of many. I thought I was being clear on that.

  84. Revelation 13:18

    “Here is widom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”

    There is no one Anti-Christ, there are many anti-christs – those who deny Jesus Christ is the Son of God. People always mention the “Anti-Christ,” but it is the “Beast” they should be referring to. The man with the number 666 is the Pope.

  85. “but distorting the facts because you’re too lazy to do your due diligence is irresponsible and needs to be called out. Simple enough?”

    I think Beck is scum and he said what he said on purpose. You can bring out your “facts” and you can claim others are too “lazy”,several people disagree with you.

    Simple enough? suck it up!

  86. Anna-A,

    Hope your move went well. I don’t think this is an Islamic site. We don’t wear white Jalabya here, I’m in my shorts and t-shirt and enjoying my vodka.

    There is the Zionist Jewish team against the Christian Arab team, and we have some cowboys……big American guys with big mouth….as well as muslim Egyptians.

    So my advice to you sweet sixteen…..RUN FAST!

  87. “I think Beck is scum and he said what he said on purpose. You can bring out your “facts” and you can claim others are too “lazy”,several people disagree with you.

    Simple enough? suck it up!”

    It took me about three minutes to google the full story. It’s all there on Beck’s website, fully documented from the beginning. To say what you say when faced with insurmountable written and video evidence shows how dishonest people like you and Twosret are. Your argument has no leg to stand on and clear thinking people without any preconceived prejudice or bias will see through that. Like I said, it’s not rocket science.

  88. JT,

    I will try for the last time to appeal to your common sense. Most of Glenn Beck views in my opinin are racist and trashy. For him to say a comment like this with a “light heart” or for the sake of being funny doesn’t matter.

    If you want to believe that it was said as a joke is your business. His train of thoughts is suggesting that he wasn’t innocent in his joke.

    You can argue what you want but my opinion after reading his webiste will not change. I’m Samer and don’t group me with anyone in your comments, this gang attitude against Twosret is unacceptable. I don’t give a shit about Glenn Beck or what he thinks and I’m not the only one. It is called free thinking and democracy.

    Suck it up!

  89. I rarely ever call anyone a racist, but when you malign someone as racist, you should back it up with hard facts. It’s so easy to go online and smear a public figure while hiding behind your computer since you’re not accountable to anyone. It’s a common tactic used by intellectually lazy people who avoid the facts and rather embrace their preconceived notions.

    And there’s no gang attitude against Twosret; it’s just me. I have nothing personal against her, but when she maligns others I have a right to challenge her on it. Other people’s problems with her have nothing to do with me, but why should I answer to you? Who the hell are you? If you don’t give a shit about Beck, why bother jumping in? Is that clear enough for you?

  90. John Cunningham says:

    Samer, another daily listener/viewer. Tell us, since you know all about Beck, what did he say that leads to believe he’s what you say he is. He’s on about 450 stations here in the US. You could log onto http://www.thebigtalker1210.com at 9am, eastern and listen live for yourself. That’s the Philadelphia station. You could watch his daily television show which is on Headline News at 7 and 9pm, eastern. You see, I’m retired and have the luxury of being able to listen four days a week and see the show most everyday. I don’t see any of what you’re saying. I don’t know where you’re getting your information.

  91. Samer,

    “Most of Glenn Beck views in my opinin are racist and trashy.”

    You do not have to like Beck. I do not always agree with him as well. But unlike Olbermann who cherry picked Beck’s interview I am yet to catch Beck in a lie. If you have an example, please share.

    “For him to say a comment like this with a “light heart” or for the sake of being funny doesn’t matter.”

    Wrong. It matters if you are interested to know what actually happened.

    “Leo and JT,

    So if someone doesn’t agree with your political stances then they don’t think for themselves?”

    Wrong. Disagree all you want. Just do not invent or do not repeat invented ‘facts’ to suite your argument.

    Do not take Olbermanns for granted as you do not take Becks for granted.

    “this gang attitude against Twosret is unacceptable.”

    Twosret brought it upon herself through her ignorant remark in #12. So like you say, suck it up.

    BTW, this is Internet and what you or I accept or do not accept matters very little if at all.

  92. Samer,
    I don’t regard Twosret as pro Palestinian, I think she’s just pro justice and truth.

  93. Glenn Beck is a racist trash. This is my opinion.

    THE END

  94. John Cunningham says:

    And, Samer, you’re a mindless fuck, that’s the end.

  95. Yes Samer, that is the delusion that most guys like you like to entertain. I guess that’s why she smashed it, in the hope that there was going to be reconciliation.
    Lucky girl, she would’ve had to endure you calling her ‘ya bet’, 5alee kalam el 7ara lel 7ara.

  96. anna,

    You are very angry and posting at the wrong topic. I meant bent but it was a typo I will look back on the right topic and see what I wrote.

    What is your business anyway it is for my response to brooklynjon? why are you coming to attack me for a response I made to him? She smashed the ring out of malice and revenge for being caught cheating. She is like you angry and acts irrational.

    as for el 7ara you are talking about, it is people like you who stick their nose in every topic and post sleezy comments and assume out of malice that I am putting down middle eastern girls when my ex wasn’t from the middle east is the problem and a 7ara attitude.

    Mind your own business and stop jumping on every post thinking you are a smarty pants when all what you do is moronic.

    John Cunnnigham,

    This is why you like Glenn Beck and I don’t.

  97. Glenn Beck host Hagee says:-

    “It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day…”
    –Pastor John Hagee, “Jerusalem Countdown,” pp. 92-93

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/aipac-cheers-an-antisemi_b_43377.html

    “Hagee suggested in “Jerusalem Countdown” that Adolph Hitler was a divine agent sent by God to drive the Jews back to Israel in order to fulfill biblical prophecy. ”

    Enjoy the satanic youtube link LOL enjoy the madness and tell your AIPAC friends to cheer with a standing ovation for pastor Hagee.

    AIPAC doesn’t mind his anti-semitic statements as long as he stands by the state of Israel..

    Enjoy this one too :)

    http://cheztwosret.blogspot.com/2006/11/glenn-beck-and-cnn-exposed.html

  98. This is how Glenn Beck threatens muslims like Nazi’s with razor wire on his August 10th radio show:-

    “All you Muslims who have sat on your frickin’ hands the whole time and have not been marching in the streets and have not been saying, ‘Hey, you know what? There are good Muslims and bad Muslims. We need to be the first ones in the recruitment office lining up to shoot the bad Muslims in the head.’ I’m telling you, with God as my witness… human beings are not strong enough, unfortunately, to restrain themselves from putting up razor wire and putting you on one side of it. When things—when people become hungry, when people see that their way of life is on the edge of being over, they will put razor wire up and just based on the way you look or just based on your religion, they will round you up. Is that wrong? Oh my gosh, it is Nazi, World War II wrong, but society has proved it time and time again: It will happen.”

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200608100016

  99. Welcome back Twosret :)

  100. What is your business anyway it is for my response to brooklynjon? why are you coming to attack me for a response I made to him?

    Mind your own business and stop jumping on every post…

    Ever think about following your own advice? You must be Twosret, Samer, because nobody is such a sycophant as you :)

  101. Thanx Samer! I had a great weekend and enjoyed every second of it. I see you have been active on the blog ;) take a break, it is not worth it to get too involved of what people throw your way.

    I’m back to work so I better get going.

  102. “Glenn Beck host Hagee says:-

    “It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day…”
    –Pastor John Hagee, “Jerusalem Countdown,” pp. 92-93″

    I could be wrong here but doesn’t Christian doctrine claim that Jesus was son of god and Jewish doctrine does not recognize this claim?
    Don’t Christians believe that Jews are punished by god for forgoing their responsibility and not being Jews enough?
    Don’t Christians believe that Christ was as savior whose goal was to bring lost sheep back?
    Don’t Christians believe that Christians are the ones who found the way while Jews are the ones who are still lost?
    Given this what so strange do you find in words of Christian believer like Hagee?
    If Jew or Muslim were to say something similar regarding all other faiths what would be so strange in it?
    I bet Jews would say that Christians and Muslims follow pagan believes or something like that and Muslims will say they follow latest and greatest and everybody else is plain wrong.

    ““Hagee suggested in “Jerusalem Countdown” that Adolph Hitler was a divine agent sent by God to drive the Jews back to Israel in order to fulfill biblical prophecy.”

    Enjoy the satanic youtube link LOL enjoy the madness and tell your AIPAC friends to cheer with a standing ovation for pastor Hagee.

    AIPAC doesn’t mind his anti-semitic statements as long as he stands by the state of Israel..”

    Hagee believes that Messiah will come only after Jews are back home, so do Jews. Hagee wants what Jews want. What is so anti-semitic about it?

    BTW, this Hagee’s ‘Hitler’ quote. I heard this one (in different form) from some Jews who believe it to be true as well.

    And last but not least, what all of this has to do with Glenn Beck or Barak Obama or Anti-Christ?

  103. I’ve seen Twosret viciously attack Pastor Hagee on numerous occasions. I’m waiting for her to do the same with Obama’s Pastor (and spiritual mentor, and apparent father figure), now. What say you about Jeremiah Wright, Twosret? I suspect you secretly agree with him, because he’s just your kind of hatemonger, but I know you can’t acknowledge that publicly. So any public statement on this blog at all? Or do you just want to broadcast to the whole world that you are a hypocrite?

  104. Craig,

    Tell us about your Islamists girl friend?. Andrew bought the nachos and beer and we waited for you to respond…….we didn’t see you flip over the accusations but instead sharpen your teeth over Twosret. Does Twosret bother you more than an accusations of converting to Islam and dating an Islamist girl?

    The only hypocrite apparently is you for dating an Islamist and dedicating your life 24/7 to attack a Christian-Egyptian. Pretending to be the American super hero when in private you are apparently dating enemies of America.

    You bring Jeremiah Wright to the table, when this topic or commentators didn’t bring his name before, accuse Twosret for agreeing with him and responding on her behalf.

  105. Samer, it’s your business who I’m dating now, is it? :P

    It is interesting that you and anotheranonymous make this accusation against me, since you can only have heard that from Twosret.

    Does Twosret bother you more than an accusations of converting to Islam and dating an Islamist girl?

    Islamist girl? I don’t associate with Islamists, Samer, but I am friends with a number of Muslims. Most of them are kinder and more decent human beings than you and Twosret. I don’t know much about Egyptian Copts, but the two of you don’t make a good case for the 1quality of Christianity in Egypt, buddy. And no, I’m not converting to Islam :P

    The only hypocrite apparently is you for dating an Islamist and dedicating your life 24/7 to attack a Christian-Egyptian.

    The “Christian” Egyptian is Twosret? lol.

    Pretending to be the American super hero when in private you are apparently dating enemies of America.

    I don’t even know any enemies of America, in real life. However, of all the people I know, the person who comes closest to fitting that description is Twosret. The so-called Christian.

  106. Twosret, any comment on your vicious gossiping? What does Christianity say about that? Do you even know? You HAVE read the Bible, haven’t you? At least once? Well, maybe not, but maybe you should go ask the Priest at your Church about it. For your own good.

  107. Leo says:

    “And last but not least, what all of this has to do with Glenn Beck or Barak Obama or Anti-Christ?”

    —-

    Nothing. This is Twosret’s modus operandi; that is, if she can’t substantiate one claim, she’ll introduce another claim to derail the discussion.

    She links to Media Matters, the same outlet that maligned and misconstrued what Beck said about Obama being the anti-christ. If you go to the Media Matter article linked, you’d see that they don’t even bother to link to the actual transcript of the Beck program in it’s entirety. They put the quote on their page, and we’re supposed to believe they’re not distorting anything, just like the anti-christ story?

    How people can say Beck is threatening Muslims with concentration camps is puzzling. Before 9/11, the level of hostility towards Muslims in America was practically zero, but that’s not the case today. Now, when Americans see so few Muslim Americans rise up to speak out against radical Muslim groups like CAIR, the Muslim American Society, Hamas, Al-Qaeda, etc; Americans have every right to be suspicious of Muslim Americans. There is a deep seated fear in a lot of Americans that a large percentage of Muslims in the US secretly sympathize with the terrorists. Americans can be quite generous and nice, but if they sense that their country is under siege by radical Muslims who are aided by Muslim Americans, they will stop being nice. The gloves will come off, and they will strike first and debate later. The Japanese Americans before and during WWII were not a threat at all, yet they were rounded up and sent to concentration camps. Was it wrong? Absolutely, and Beck said it was, but history agrees with Beck in that if we don’t see more peaceful Muslims speak out against terroror supporting Muslims and another terrorist attack happens on American soil, with possibly multiple nuclear or dirty bombs going off in different cities, drastic measures will probably be taken against Muslim Americans, including against the peaceful ones. I’m not talking about concentration camps but more like increased racial and religious profiling, more secret governmental surveillance programs against Muslim Americans, and deportations. We will see more prejudice and hostility against Muslim Americans, and this was what Beck was warning would happen back in August of 2006. Beck was warning of what he fears could happen to Muslims in America; he wasn’t advocating violence or issuing a threat against Muslims. What power does he have to issue a threat? None. He’s not an imam and his listeners aren’t hell bent on killing for Jesus. Pointing out a future scenario is not the same as wishing for it to happen, but liberal outlets like Media Matter and FAIR accused Beck of threatening Muslims, and Einsteins like Twosret here bought it hook, line, and sinker. She doesn’t seek out alternative view points that don’t fit her cookie cutter mold, lest she discovered that she’d been lied to and her world collapses around her.

    People like me have to seek out a very moderate Egyptian Muslim living in Egypt to hear him speak out against radical Muslims because it seems that Muslims like Sandmonkey are practically non-existent in America. That’s very sad really and quite ominous.

  108. brooklynjon says:

    Leo,

    “I bet Jews would say that Christians and Muslims follow pagan believes or something like that”

    Jews who are unfamiliar with their religion may say that, but Judaism does not say this. Judaism does not state that everyone should be Jewish, but rather just says that everyone should observe the seven laws given to Noah.

    Other than that, Judaism says that if your religion encourages you to be just and charitable to your fellow man (and woman), then it’s a good thing.

    Actually, Judaism is quite compatible with Islam (we are even permitted to worship in mosques). Judaism is confused with regard to the Christian belief in the Trinity. Is it one god? Two? Three? We don’t really understand it (in an official sense), and are disinclined to spend a whole lot of mental energy trying to tease it out, so it is generally agreed that we should avoid praying in a church. It is worth noting that the early Church did not universally feel that Jesus was divine, but mostly believed that he was just the messiah, which is TOTALLY compatible with Judaism (though we may not agree, it is certainly not heresy to believe that he is the messiah).

    I just feel the need to point this out because, unlike Islam and Christianity, Judaism is not a catholic (=universal) religion, and so there is no need to convert anyone, and is therefore more compatible with “the other”. At least in theory, and I believe in practice as well. Of course, in saying this, I’m not trying to convert anyone. I’m just sayin’.

  109. but history agrees with Beck in that if we don’t see more peaceful Muslims speak out against terroror supporting Muslims and another terrorist attack happens on American soil, with possibly multiple nuclear or dirty bombs going off in different cities…

    If a nuclear weapon goes off in an American city, there won’t be any Muslims in the US afterwards, JT. Not even moderate ones. It seems bizarre to me that it even needs to be said. Do people really have so little understanding of how much that would change not just America, but the whole world?

    People like me have to seek out a very moderate Egyptian Muslim living in Egypt to hear him speak out against radical Muslims because it seems that Muslims like Sandmonkey are practically non-existent in America. That’s very sad really and quite ominous.

    Most Iranian Muslims are so “moderate” you wouldn’t even know they were Muslim at all unless you asked. I don’t think I’ve ever met a radical Iranian Muslim, and I’ve known a lot of Iranians over the years. The big difference (in my opinion) is that most Iranians don’t care on a personal level about the Arab/Israeli conflict. On the other hand, that conflict appears to be the focul point of the average Arabs political outlook on life.

  110. To continue on Just sayin’ bj post :) I was against Hagee’s words that the Jews brought it onto themselves as per the bible quote he brought. I was denouncing him as a Christian to suggest that any innocent people deserve death.

    Hagee is no different than Hamas and HezboAllah who uses God and Christianity old and New testament to support a political agenda. I was in defense of the innocent Jews who died in the holocaust. He posion his listeners and encourage hate.

    Hitler was never a divine nor did he represent Christians or any other religion he is a representer of evil, crime, hate, and destruction.

    Christianity doesn’t need to be defended, I don’t defend my religion against vicious attacks. People who likes to attack other religions are weak in their faith.

  111. Your points are noted, Craig, but I digress, as I don’t want to help Twosret derail the main topic of this thread any more, which is about the Obama anti-christ story. Hopefully, Twosret will have enough intellectual honesty to finish what she started. I doubt it, but one can hope.

  112. brooklynjon,

    “I just feel the need to point this out because, unlike Islam and Christianity, Judaism is not a catholic (=universal) religion, and so there is no need to convert anyone, and is therefore more compatible with “the other”. At least in theory, and I believe in practice as well.”

    That may be true or at least today or at least in mainstream Judaism but I am yet to hear any Jew to say that his/her believe is wrong one and Christian or Muslim believe is right one (goes for all three). Which is the point I was trying to make. I apologize for not being clear enough.

    “Of course, in saying this, I’m not trying to convert anyone. I’m just sayin’”
    :)

  113. leo,

    “I am yet to hear any Jew to say that his/her believe is wrong one and Christian or Muslim believe is right one”

    messianic jews?

    and there are a few blogs around of jews who’ve turned to islam eg http://shaalom2salaam.blogspot.com/

  114. brooklynjon says:

    leo,

    Well, actually, supposing you are Christian or Muslim and you go to a Rabbi and declare your interest in conversion, the response would almost certainly be to go look in your own tradition for whatever it is that you seek. In other words, the prospective convert would be told that Judaism was probably wrong for him. Don’t believe me? Go to askmoses.com and ask them.

  115. brooklynjon says:

    anna,

    Messianic Jews are very annoying. I don’t have a theological problem with them (like I said, the belief in Jesus as messiah may be wrong, but it is not contrary to Judaism). The problem I have with them is that they are not up front, and they try to sneak Christianity into what otherwise appears to be Judaism. I feel that they are not up front about what they represent. OTOH, if they want to tell me that my non-belief in Jesus as messiah is wrong, they are more than welcome to. I’ve invited them into my house to talk about it; they never want to take me up on it. Maybe I seem too deranged!

  116. bj, always up for going off on tangents, very good :)

    the belief in Jesus as messiah is not contrary to Judaism? I don’t know how you’re defining messiah.

    as for messianics. Ah, so I’m not the only one to notice that. They’re not sneaky, that’s just how they are, they behave the same around gentiles, if that makes you feel better. I’ve had the pleasure of getting to know a few and I’ve found that they find it hard to let go of their past beliefs and way of life. Christianity is a rough deal compared to judaism, doctrinally, the whole ‘first shall be last’ and ‘there is now no difference between jew or gentile’ are probably quite hard to swallow, I should imagine.

  117. I was against Hagee’s words that the Jews brought it onto themselves as per the bible quote he brought. I was denouncing him as a Christian to suggest that any innocent people deserve death.

    Bullshit, Twosret. You are teh most anti-semitic Christian I know of. You, personally. You dedicated half of your own blog to reasons why Christians should hate Jews. Now you pretend to “condemn” Hagee for things you claim are anti-semitic? Nonsense. You’d rejoice if he hated Jews half as much as you do.

    Hagee is no different than Hamas and HezboAllah who uses God and Christianity old and New testament to support a political agenda.

    Again, this is complete nonsense. Hagee’s followers aren’t killing anyone in the name of God. Furthermore, he’s not asking them to. He also has no worldly power. That’s what we call “stinking thinking”. But you probably didn’t actually expect anyone to believe that, did you? You were just throwing it out there to muddy the waters, right? Because your whole world revolves around Palestinians. And you have to defend the defenders of Palestinians, no matter how many atrocities they commit in the name of their God (which clearly isn’t mine).

  118. brooklynjon says:

    anna,

    My life is a tangent. I virtually never get to finish a sentence in real life :-)

    Messiah is generally translated as “king of the Jews”, which is why Jesus was (Ironically) introduced that way. He was claiming to be Messiah (or someone was claiming this on his behalf) (I really don’t want to be telling someone about their own religion, BTW). Incidentally, although there is a lot of talk about the Messiah (Moshiach) in Judaism, there is no uniformity of belief as to what exactly this Messiah dude will do. Is he a political leader? A spiritual one? Some sort of metaphysical guy? No one seems to be certain of this.

    In any event, the Jesus as messiah thing was pretty much the foundation of Christianity. So much so, that “Christ” is Greek for “Messiah”. The devinity of Jesus became doctrine later, IIRC at the Council of Nicaea in 325. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

    As said before, the Jesus-as-Messiah belief may be right or wrong, but it is not heretial to Judaism as it doesn’t mess with the nature of G-d. It’s only when Jesus becomes divine that the belief runs afoul of Judaism, which is at least partly why Jews for Jesus emphasize that they’re “Messianic” and not “Trinitious” (or whatever).

  119. Curt from Houston says:

    “If God is not for us and against white people,” writes Cone, “then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill gods who do not belong to the black community.”

    This Ass Clown Cone is one of the authors that the Right Reverend Wright suggests that Sean Hanity read before declaring his work racist. Hmmm… As a white person, I know that I feel allot better knowing that. By all means, lets consult Mr. Cone on race relations. Obama for President!!!

  120. Curt from Houston says:

    “If a nuclear weapon goes off in an American city, there won’t be any Muslims in the US afterwards, JT. Not even moderate ones. It seems bizarre to me that it even needs to be said. Do people really have so little understanding of how much that would change not just America, but the whole world?”

    Craig, I’ve been trying to get this through to the Muslim world for a while now. It seems to me that there is this bizarre honor/pride thing in the Muslim world that delusionally imprints in their leaders and peoples minds that if they can simply nuke a few Western cities that they can make the world wide Umah a reality and that Western governments will simply fold in awe of the devine truth that is Islam.

    Whats going to actually occur if they succeed in nuking one or more Western cities is their complete anahalitation. Islam will probably be outlawed throughout the world and practicing it will bring mental treatment, prison, and death.

  121. Curt from Houston says:

    After a reread, my post should have read…

    “If a nuclear weapon goes off in an American city, there won’t be any Muslims in the US afterwards, JT. Not even moderate ones. It seems bizarre to me that it even needs to be said. Do people really have so little understanding of how much that would change not just America, but the whole world?”
    Craig, I’ve been trying to get this through to the Muslim world for a while now. It seems to me that there is this bizarre honor/pride thing in the Muslim world that delusionally imprints in their leaders and peoples minds that if they can simply nuke a few Western cities that they can make the world wide Ummah a reality and that Western governments will simply fold in awe of the Devine truth that is Islam.
    What’s going to actually occur if they succeed in nuking one or more Western cities is their complete annihilation. Islam will probably be outlawed throughout the world and practicing it will bring mental treatment, prison, and death.

    Sorry, I seem to have what I call “Happy Fingers” tonight.

  122. Curt from Houston says:

    Point of fact. A single American ballistic missile submarine could kill three out or four people in Iran in under an hour. Ninety percent of the rest would starve or dye of radiation poisoning within the next month or so. What is left will be using a periscope to see the Bronze Age. If that’s the confrontation that Ihamanutajob wants to have with the West, then so be it. He’ll loose most spectacularly. Of course, the people of the Middle East will be the generational losers once again.

  123. I see that J-String, Leotard, anna banana are acting up today. Craig is the same old shit. It looks like Twosret started blogging again, What are you up to kid? sexy shoes blogging?

    All good have fun kids.

  124. Anna,

    “and there are a few blogs around of jews who’ve turned to islam”

    Yes, there are enough examples of people changing faiths. But once they’ve done it do you think they still are not sure that what they believe in is right and everything else is wrong? If anything converts are even more stringent followers than ‘regulars’.

    brooklynjon,

    “Well, actually, supposing you are Christian or Muslim and you go to a Rabbi and declare your interest in conversion, the response would almost certainly be to go look in your own tradition for whatever it is that you seek.”

    There are not many ways to ensure that individual is making conscious decision. This approach is one of those ways. Person who really wants it certain will eventually succeed.

    Example you are offering implies individual who is at crossroad. Remember, we were talking about pastor Hagee who is anything but undecided. So, if you were to ask this very rabbi whose belief is the truest what will be the answer?

  125. Sorry,

    “Person who is certain will eventually succeed.”

  126. “I see that J-String, Leotard, anna banana are acting up today.”

    What are you, three years old? This is a debate for grownups. The intellectually deficient need not bother. Go sit at the kids’ table.

  127. BJ

    Judaism is confused with regard to the Christian belief in the Trinity. Is it one god? Two? Three? We don’t really understand it (in an official sense),

    Heh. Neither do a lot of Christians.

    There do exist non-trinitarian sects – Christian Scientists and Jehoveh Witnesses for example.

  128. There do exist non-trinitarian sects – Christian Scientists and Jehoveh Witnesses for example.

    Yes, and there are a number of Unitarian Protestant denominations as well as non-Trinitarian (which is different) Protestant denominations as well.

    I don’t know about Catholics, but a lot of mainstream Protestants I know aren’t real comfortable with the trinity either, though most Protestant denominations have accepted it, at least formally. The people who creep me out the most are non-Trinitarian Protestants, who view Jesus as God himself. I can (barely) accept the Trinity by rationalizing it away using the concept of the Holy Spirit, but I don’t get people who believe Jesus was God made flesh. None of my business, though. People have a right to believe what they want to believe.

  129. NB. neither christian science nor JWs are christian, in the real sense of the word. Christian science takes the teaching of Mary Baker Eddy very seriously which contradicts christian beliefs and JWs don’t actually use the christian bible at all as the basis for their belief, they have their own ammended version which differs in some key areas.

  130. Already happened. We had Bill Clinton.
    SK

  131. neither christian science nor JWs are christian

    That’s a hard one to call. What percentage of New Testament beliefs do you have to accept to be officially called Christian? And who makes the official ruling? Some sects consider only themselves to be Christians.

  132. brooklynjon says:

    Disclosure:
    I don’t mean to denigrate, or for that matter interpret, anyone else’s religion.

    I had a student recently who was a former JW. What she describes as her (former) religion was rather shocking to me. Suffice to say, it brings xenophobia to a new level, and seemed – from her description – more like a cult than a religion.

    Christian Science is also a little unusual, but I think they would disagree with the statement that they are not Christian.

    leo,

    “So, if you were to ask this very rabbi whose belief is the truest what will be the answer?”

    I don’t believe a rabbi can answer that question. A rabbi would answer that Judaism is the truth FOR THE JEWS. There are other religions that are the truth for other people. What is true for one person is not necessarily the truth for another. I am commanded to honor my mother. That’s my truth. You are not commanded to honor my mother. That’s not the truth for you. Now if another religion encouraged people to behave in an unethical way, this would not be a good thing. But a religion that encouraged good behavior of its adherents is good, and yes, would be the truth for the adherents of that religion.

    There is Jewish law that is rooted in a sense of ethics, and there is Jewish law that is not. A non-Jew could take on the prohibition against mixing linen and silk, for instance, but I don’t think there are too many rabbis that would give such a person a pat on the back for it. On the other hand, forswearing violence and giving charity to the poor are laudable no matter who does it.

    Bottom line: we’re not a catholic religion. Trying to understand it in the framework of a catholic religion will result in things that don’t really make sense. Sorry. That’s life.

  133. What does all this have to with Obama’s crazy ass Pastor?

  134. toady,
    Some core beliefs are important. Take away the foundation of a building and it falls flat- same here. the foundation of christianity is the deity of Jesus. Neither religion holds to that belief, although they come close. There are many others but that one’s a biggie. The external trappings add nothing if the internal structure is wrong.

    bj,

    “that is my truth.” is the earth round for some and not others?

  135. the foundation of christianity is the deity of Jesus.

    I disagree with that, anna. The council of Nicene which established the concept of the trinity wasn’t held until 325 AD. Are you claiming that Christianity didn’t exist, the previous 325 years?

    There are some core beliefs which nobody can reject and still call themselves a Christian. But the trinity isn’t one of them!

  136. brooklynjon says:

    anna,

    I’m not saying that there is no such thing as objective truth. However, I don’t believe a reasonable person can tell you that religion is where to find it. None of us can know G-d in a way that would ever convince someone else. A reasonable person will tell you what they believe and why they believe it.

    And then there is the question of what to do with people who believe something different than you. I believe chocolate covered espresso beans are excellent (just had a few, as a matter of fact). They’re not for everybody, though. I don’t have a problem with someone saying that they taste bad. Not a teeny bit.

    And so it is with the take of a non-catholic religion on other religions. You can believe whatever you believe, and I honor that belief, even though I don’t share it.

    And Craig is right. The belief in the divinity of Jesus was not always accepted as a tenet of Christianity, let alone a central one. The belief in Jesus as Christ (i.e. as Messiah) HAS historically been universally accepted by Christians (feel free to correct me if you think I’m wrong). The Council of Nicaea marginalized those creeds which believed that Jesus was not divine. It is ultimately this belief (to which you are very welcome, as far as I’m concerned) along with the belief that the commandments of the “Old Testament” are no longer valid, which place Christianity at odds with Judaism, and prevents Jews from being Christians.

    Craig, which core beliefs would you say that cannot be rejected by someone who calls themselves a Christian?

  137. craig and bj, deity of a person and trinity are different concepts.

    But for the sake of argument, just because the council formalised a belief doesn’t mean that that belief wasn’t held before.

  138. But for the sake of argument, just because the council formalised a belief doesn’t mean that that belief wasn’t held before.

    That’s true, anna. There were 3 prominent factions of Christians at the council of Nicaea. Two of them believed in the divinity of Christ and one did not. The Trinitarians won out, at least as far as establishing their doctrine :)

    Craig, which core beliefs would you say that cannot be rejected by someone who calls themselves a Christian?

    Jon, there is NO WAY I am going to try to answer that on a blog :P

    I think it’s fairly safe to say that anything that is based on doctrine rather than on scripture is not a requirement to be considered a generic Christian. Doctrine is little more than the informed opinion of Christian clerics, and most of it was formulated before the reformation at a time when the Christian clergy was infamously political.

  139. brooklynjon says:

    “What does all this have to with Obama’s crazy ass Pastor?”

    Nuffin’

    But, I’ll tell you, this whole brouhaha makes me wonder how many of my black friends and colleagues are sitting and listening to this crap every Sunday and not walking out in disgust.

    To answer the next question, I once – ONCE – listened to a sermon in which intermarriage was held to be wrong (not undesirable or suboptimal, but wrong with a capital W), and I never went back to that synagogue.

  140. Curt from Houston says:

    Obama has spent the last twenty years in a church that spews anti white and anti American hatred to himself, his wife, and daughters. Trust me. This is not lost on the American public.

  141. So your grandfathers could live through the Lynchings, the parties held by white men hanging and burning black people not too long ago, but you can’t live with a sentence from a black priest.

    Did you grandfathers walk out of the country disgusted at their new home back then ?or did he raise their voice to advocate for the black discrimmination and criminal acts of the white. I bet they were on their knees thanking God for America. Kill those niggers they said.

    http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/african/2000/lynching.htm

    JT, you responded to AndrewS asking him to grow up because you are having an “intellectual debate”. Keep the “intellectual debate” going maybe after 900 posts you will learn something from it. So far it boils down to nothing.

  142. Sounds like Obama should be running for the Presidency of Egypt.

  143. “JT, you responded to AndrewS asking him to grow up because you are having an “intellectual debate”. Keep the “intellectual debate” going maybe after 900 posts you will learn something from it. So far it boils down to nothing.”

    No, I didn’t ask him to grow up; I told him to go sit at the kids’ table. So far, Twosret has refused to defend the accusations she made, and like AndrewS, you haven’t brought much to the table, either. With the kind of distorted information and wild accusations that are being thrown about by you and Twosret, no one will learn anything except that there’s something screwy in your thinking processes, the kind that education just cannot cure.

  144. “Did you grandfathers walk out of the country disgusted at their new home back then ?or did he raise their voice to advocate for the black discrimmination and criminal acts of the white. I bet they were on their knees thanking God for America. Kill those niggers they said.”

    Ever heard of Civil War? I’d say it was rather strong voice raised against slavery. Of cause, not everything is peachy even today but our society is getting better. It is problem of the likes of Wright who are still clinging to the past. And if Obama is anything like his spiritual leader I do not want him.

  145. Samer;

    Because the ancestors of one group abused the ancestors of another group is no excuse for their descendants to hate each other now, especially when the abuse was put to an end before they were born.

    Perpetuating hatred down the generations can turn your land into Iraq, or the Balkans, or Kenya.

  146. craig, you’ve just agreed with me in a roundabout way. The nicene council is not the authority on what christianity is or is not and that those core beliefs, originated from the source not the council.

    bj, interesting reaction. but why? that is the official line, is it not?. I’ve even read of secular people holding to that view because they’re concerned that they must carry on the genes to the next generation so that their race never dies out. and I thought I was nationalistic! that’s nationalism beyond the call of duty!

  147. brooklynjon says:

    anna,

    The Jewish take on intermarriage can be viewed from a few different perspectives. From a strictly religious perspective, marriage is a contractual arrangement that is unenforceable against a non-Jew. This goes back to my grumblings about those Muslims who seek to impose Sharia on non-Muslims. Well, here’s the flip side. We insist that Jewish law is not in force as far as non-Jews are concerned. So a non-Jew can feel free to eat a cheeseburger. OTOH, a Jewish court cannot enforce a Jewish marriage contract on a non-Jew. So in a religious sense, “Marriage” cannot be understood in a meaningful way with a non-Jew. It’s not so much that intermarriage is wrong. It’s that it’s not actually, legally possible.

    Does that stop cohabitation? No. Does that mean you can’t have a monogamous, stable, committed relationship with a non-Jew? No. Does that prevent someone from marrying a convert? No. Does that mean you can be married and get some non-Jewish booty on the side? Technically it may, but that is very much frowned upon. But the bottom line is that intermarriage, per se, is not wrong. It is just not possible from a religious perspective.

    Now, bearing in mind that Jews are not so much a religious community as a nation with an associated religion (like the Druze), and one that has had a big numbers problem lately, there is a sense (a secular nationalistic sense) that intermarriage is not so good, particularly if having children that identify as Jews is important to you. My take on this is that the people who are likely to intermarry are probably not so closely tied to the community in the first place, and so the 50-50 chance that the kids end up believing themselves to be Jewish is not so huge a loss anyway. In any event, this is a question of what is (arguably) desirable, not what is right and wrong. If some rabbi wants to get up and say “Hey guys, we’re a noble nation with something to offer the world, but we’re dying out, so please marry a Jewish partner and have lots of kids”, I don’t have a problem with that. But saying that marrying a nice non-Jew is a sin against G-d? Nuh-uh. And not only that, but denigrates things that really are sins against G-d. Like murder. And idolatry. And theft.

    So I walked away and kept walking.

    “that’s nationalism beyond the call of duty!”

    Having a lot of sex is the kind of nationalism I can really get into! In fact, if everyone were so nationalistic, maybe they’d be too busy to blow other people up!

  148. BrooklynJon;

    SOme statistic I read last year or so had 50% of American Jews marrying non-Jews. It is hard to beleive that half of Jews have no serious connection to their communnity. Driving around my neighborhood in December, I see quite a few homes decked up with Christmas lights and a menorah in the front window.

    Don’t the different Jewish denominations have varying opinions on intermarriage? Given America’s strong assimilationist and religiously tolerant culture, reducing intermarriage is going to be impossible. The other option, perhaps, is to seek converts.

  149. xylo, i think the fairy lights might sue for being assigned a religious affiliation. eeeeeveryone puts them up, they’re just a a bit of fun, I highly doubt, they are a sign of impending doom for your race. lighten up.

  150. “Driving around my neighborhood in December, I see quite a few homes decked up with Christmas lights and a menorah in the front window”

    Each coin has two sides.

    Shrinking or spreading? That is the question.

  151. Anna;

    I’m not Jewish, dear. I’m one of the fairies whose magic make the lights glow :-)

  152. brooklynjon says:

    Intermarriage in America is pretty common. I don’t know if the 50% figure is accurate, but it might be.

    The Jewish community in America is basically dividing into two camps: the religious camp (for which the intermarriage rate is nearly 0%) and the secular camp (which has a much higher intermarriage rate). The middle – people with a fair amount of knowledge and a clear Jewish identification, but who are also definitely secular – are becoming fewer and farther between. As the secular Jews disappear via assimilation, it will eventually leave very little but orthodox Jews.

    As far as the menorah plus christmas lights concept is concerned, I think it is generally best to pick one and run with it, for the sake of children. I think adults have an easier time understanding the mix-and-match approach than kids do.

    We like to drive around Italian neighborhoods during Christmas to check out the christmas displays. My children pined for the lights that we saw. So I bought them, and used them to decorate our sukkah. My kids understand that not every holiday is their holiday, but they can still celebrate other holidays with the people whose holiday it is. However, I do think the sort of cultural confusion that causes large number of people to celebrate someone else’s holiday is not a very healthy sign.

  153. I have this to say about the black man who shot the white Italian kind who came to Mr. White’s house to attack his son…..

    Where I live, Mr. White would have never been indicted. Not because he’s black, but because, here, you drive up to someone’s house at 2 AM, threatening to “whip” them, “beat” them, etc., and you will get the sh*t shot out of you. It’s called letting your mouth overload your as*. No one, and I mean NO ONE, white or black, will have any sympathy on you.
    I guarantee you, the boy that was shot, was drunk, and I believe with all my heart, he was threatening to kill Mr. White’s son, and probably Mr. White. I know I would have shot him, and probably more than just him. I would have never approached him to talk/reason/argue with him; with a mob of smart mouthed, (L. I. Italians, no less, who have a rich history of hate crimes towards blacks), teenagers. I would have called 911, told them a group of young men were on MY property threatening me. When I hung up, I would have waited until one of them took one step coming up my drive, and I would have let loose with a double barrel shot gun.
    If the parents want to blame someone, they need to go stand in front of a mirror a long time; there’s the guilty parties; the parents. The fact that even drunk, their son would go to someone’s home to attack them, shows a total disregard for other people, and a huge amount of stupidity. Apparently, they never taught their child respect for other humans, and that a man’s home is his castle. I wouldn’t have even given Mr. White 2 years; I would have said, time served.
    The parents reaction, (a threat towards Mr. White’s child), and their refusal to take any responsibilty for the lack of home training their son had, is proof to me, of why the boy is dead and who is responsible.
    BTW, I am white, 47 years old, and in the deep, rural south. I hate it the kid is dead, but I blame him and his parents, not Mr. White.
    I can not understand why a black man would even want to live in L. I.; or a white person, either, for that matter.
    Mr. White, move to Montgomery, Alabama, or Chatanooga, Tn.; there is plenty of work, and you will not see anywhere near the racial strife you find in the state of New York

  154. BTW,
    That Sandmonkey person is giving me the vapors.

    Get some medication…Obama is not from the east; his father was from Kenya.

    The anti-Christ will start his reign of power in Eurabia; maybe travelling through the UN or some other “piece of worthless” crap organization.

  155. brooklynjon says:

    Funny, this is almost exactly the Bernie Goetz case in reverse.

    In any event, my understanding is that in NY, lethal force is justified when someone is trespassing inside your home, not just on your outdoor property. If the dude had bothered to get a gun license, then he probably would have known that. Then firearm was illegal. The violence was understandable, but not justifiable in NY. In any event, the sentences are to run concurrently, so he’ll just have to serve the time for the illegal gun. Justice served. And yes, the kid who was killed probably needed killin’.

    pw, bear in mind that on Long Island, the population density and the proximity of the houses to one another make discharging a handgun outside your house a pretty bad idea. A shotgun firing a turkey shot shell from within your house is probably a far better idea.

  156. pw,

    I don’t know the details of the story but I know that common sense says that an adult will call the police and stay in his house and call his family, neighbors, etc… for help.

    If he saw the boy with a gun shooting at his house or his son that is a different story. For someone to be on my front lawn screaming his lungs out and drunk is different than a boy with a gun smashing my front door.

    Again I don’t know the details of how this happened but killing someone because they are at your property when they don’t have any weapon is not right. I don’t care who is white and who is black in this case.

  157. “I don’t care who is white and who is black in this case.”

    No, it does not matter. However, I find it strange you felt the need to say it.

  158. Twosret, I agree he shouldn’t have left his house and shot one of those boys. Although he claims he didn’t mean to, and was just trying to scare them off.

    As far as somebody needing to be armed in order to justify shooting them in self defense is nonsense, though. If somebody broke into my house, I wouldn’t be checking to see if they were armed or not before I shot them. Especially if there were 5 or 6 of them. And they were teenage thugs, and I was 50+ years old. No way. The laws in New York are pretty funky and I’m not sure what the standing of the “castle” doctrine is, there, but in most of the US a person has an absolute and unassailable right to defend their home from an intruder.

  159. Leo,

    Why do you find it strange? pw mentioned the color of the shooter and the boy shot. He also mentioned that in the south an incident like this would have been treated different. I disagree respectfully. In my opinion color and location is not the issue, it is the lack of using common sense by Mr. White.

    He might have not intended to kill but he took matters in his own hands and this is wrong in his case.

  160. brooklynjon says:

    Craig,

    If they had entered his house, then I doubt a jury would have convicted him. However, merely being on his property wouldn’t trigger an automatic right to use lethal force. And there’s still the illegal gun charge, which he’d be guilty of even if he was just using his weapon as a can opener. As it is, the sentences are to run concurrently, so the homicide conviction is essentially meaningless.

  161. Twosret,

    Perhaps, I am just over analyzing it.

    My apologies.

  162. brooklynjon,

    “Actually, Judaism is quite compatible with Islam (we are even permitted to worship in mosques).”

    Curious, if this is acceptable for Muslims.

    Please, forgive my ignorance but it got me wondering could this be part of the solution to Israeli/Palestinian problem (Dome Of The Rock)?

  163. No problem leo, don’t worry about it :)

  164. If they had entered his house, then I doubt a jury would have convicted him. However, merely being on his property wouldn’t trigger an automatic right to use lethal force.

    It wouldn’t in California, either. There are some jurisdictions where it’s legal to protect your property (and not just your home) with lethal force, but not any place I’ve ever lived :)

  165. Why does Bill Richardson want Hillary to drop out of the campaign ASAP! … Because, he has tied his own political future to Obama … and, he knows that because of the Obama/Wright debacle, Hillary will dramatically lead over Obama in all the up-coming democratic primaries.

    Obama and his supporters keep saying that the democratic nominee should be the one who gets the most popular votes … not super delegates. But, in addition to Obama accepting Richardson’s delegate vote, even though Hillary won the popular vote in New Mexico … it’s apparent that if Obama’s 20 year association with racist Wright (and indirect association with Farrakan) had been known a year ago by the public … Obama would not have gained a lead in the popular vote … in fact, he probably wouldn’t even still be in the race at all!

    The current political situation is exactly why super delegates should vote for Hillary. Obama might have gotten this far, because we didn’t know about his racist affiliations for an entire year … but, from this point on, there’s no way Obama could win in the general election.

    I’m a democrat, but I’ll vote (and campaign) for McCain if Obama becomes the democratic candidate!

  166. OK kids.I’m from Illinois and let me tell you what he has done to improve this state. NOTHING!!!! He is a smooth talking, smiling democrat that is where he is because he’s BLACK!!!! If he was white, he would have been bye bye a long time ago.Is he the anti-christ. No way.The anti Christ is said to have done things that people like.This car salesman has done NOTHING!!!! If you really look at the jerks that run this state, the goofball governor we have is closer to the anti Christ.He at least has done stuff. None of it has worked or is any good for the people here, but at least he has performed.Barak Obama has about as much chance as being president as George Bush having an approval rating of over 30.

  167. OMG!! You all are crazy! Who cares! There hasn’t been a good candidate for president in the entire history of the US! Sure, we’ve had some decent ones, but…

    For the Christainas on here – doesn’t the bible say that we CAN NOT know or predict when the anti-christ comes?? Why are we worrying about that now? If it is predictable then it couldn’t be possible, accodring to God’s word, that he is the anti-christ at this time.

    For the non-christians here – well, if he is the anit-christ, then I guess everyone is screwed! Either way, both of our candidtaes suck!!!!!!!!

    I could give a shit less if they were black, white, man or woman!! I personally am a white woman and I have a 1/2 black brother. My sister has 3 – 1/2 mexican kids, the list goes on…

    There’s really no dif. between the Democratic and Republican party anymore…I just wish, for once, we could get a decent pick of the corrupt litter!!!!!

    I don’t know how I stumbled onto this website, but I am going to add it to my favs for laughs. :)

    T

  168. every body at my job says im a racist because i think obama is the antichrist…no its because those frigging sand monkeys took out the world trade centers..and hes a muslim..whats the muslim religion say death to all infedals? that means anyone who doesnt take allah as god..i use to think the antichrist was the pope…but yes it says the antichrist will come from the west..well america is west of the biblical world…days like these we need lee harvey oswald..he would have took care of that friggin muslim sand monkey…america needs to wake the hell up before november

  169. He is the Anti-Christ and no good Christian should be afraid. Only those who don’t believe in the Word should be afraid because when the times of tribulations begin only those who accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior will be Saved.

    Be afraid if your heart is not pure, because you will suffer during the tribulations.

    Pray and wait for the Lord to take you to His side because the Judgment is near but you will not be harmed by the Anti-Christ if Jesus is really your Savior.

  170. The Antichrist Obama and his Pro-Abortion Communist Gestapo will CHANGE USA into USSA – United Socialist States of America.

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  171. E Howard Bailey says:

    JIHAD CANDIDATE . How long did it take Islam and their oil money to find a candidate for President of the United States ?

    As long as it took them to place a Senator from Illinois and Minnesota ?

    The same amount of time to create a large Muslim enclave in Detroit ?

    The time it took them to build over 2,000 mosques in America ?

    The same amount of time required to place radical wahabbist clerics in our military and prisons as ‘chaplains’?

    Find a candidate who can get away with lying about their father being a ‘freedom fighter’ when he was actually part of the most corrupt and violent government in Kenya ’s history.

    Find a candidate with close ties to The Nation of Islam and the violent Muslim overthrow in Africa , a candidate who is educated among white infidel Americans but hides his bitterness and anger behind a superficial toothy smile.

    Find a candidate who changes his American name of Barry to the Muslim name of Barak Hussein Obama, and dares anyone to question his true ties under the banner of ‘racism’.

    Nurture this candidate in an atmosphere of anti-white American teaching and surround him with Islamic teachers. Provide him with a bitter, racist, anti-white, anti-American wife, and supply him with Muslim middle east connections and Islamic monies.

    Allow him to be clever enough to get away with his anti-white rhetoric and proclaim he will give $834 billion taxpayer dollars to the Muslim controlled United Nations for use in Africa .

    Install your candidate in an atmosphere of deception because questioning him on any issue involving Africa or Islam would be seen as ‘bigoted racism’; two words too powerful to allow the citizenry to be informed of facts.

    Allow your candidate to employ several black racist Nation of Islam Louis Farrakhan followers as members of his Illinois Senatorial and campaign staffs.

    Where is the bloodhound American ‘free press’ who doggedly overturned every stone in the Watergate case?

    Why haven’t ‘newsmen’ pursued the 65 blatant lies told by this candidate during the Presidential primaries?

    Where are the stories about this candidate’s cousin and the Muslim butchery in Africa ? (WHOM OBAMA WENT TO KENYA TO CAMPAING FOR)

    Why haven’t the press regaled us with the long list of socialists and communists who have surrounded this ‘out of nowhere’ Democrat candidate or that his church re-printed the Hamas Manifesto in their bulletin, and that his ‘close pastor friend and mentor’ met with Middle East terrorist Moammar Gaddafi, (Guide of the First of September Great Revolution of the Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya)?

    Why isn’t the American press telling us this candidate is supported by every Muslim organization in the world?

    Why isn’t our media connecting the dots with Islam? There is enough strange, anti-American activity surrounding Barak Hussein Obama to peek the curiosity of any reporter.

    WHERE IS OUR INVESTIGATIVE MEDIA!?

    A formal plan for targeting America was devised three years after the Iranian revolution in 1982. The plan was summarized in a 1991 memorandum by Mohamed Akram, an operative of the global Muslim Brotherhood. ‘The process of settlement’ of Muslims in America , Akram explained, ‘is a civilization jihad process.’ This means that members of the Brotherhood must understand that their work in ‘America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.’

    There is terrorism we can see, smell and fear, but there is a new kind of terror invading The United States in the form of Sharia law and finance. Condoning it is civilization suicide. Middle East Muslims are coming to America in record numbers and building hate infidel mosques, buying our corporations, suing us for our traditions, but they and the whole subject of Islam is white noise leaving uninformed Americans about who and what is really peaceful.

    Where is our investigative press?

    Any criticism of Islam or their intentions, even though Islamic leaders state their intentions daily around the globe, brings-forth a volley of ‘racist’ from the left-wing Democrat crowd. Lies and deception behind a master plan – the ingredients for ‘The Manchurian Candidate’ or the placement of an anti-American President in our nation’s White House?

    Is it mere coincidence that an anti-capitalist run for President at the same time Islamic sharia finance and law is trying to make advancing strides into the United States ?

    Is it mere coincidence this candidate wants to reduce our military at a time of global jihad from Muslim nations? Change for America?

    What change? To become another ‘nation of Islam’?

    Rich Carroll 2008 printed by permission

  172. Bill Johnson says:

    O.K., So they say that the Anti-Christ will come from the east, well the last time I checked, Obama was born in Hawaii, which is in the WEST, & was raised in Chicago which is in the MID WEST. Now if you think I’m wrong, you should check with your world atlas, or go buy a globe, if you are smart enough to find your way to your local dept. store, GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK!!!!!!!!!

  173. Joe Girard says:

    Why can’t I get anyone to understand that that is why we must all vote for him. He is the anti-Christ! Sent to help bring about the beginning of the Rapture. Don’t you all get it? Without the anit-Christ, Jesus cannot return to us and save us! This is what we have all been waiting for, We should be on our knees in thankful prayer that he has been sent to us. The beginning of the end is here! Every vote for Obama bring us that closer to God!

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  175. RICHARD SCHURZ says:

    Hi,

    Enclosed is a Bible study of the 7 Bible clues which reveal the identity of the coming antichrist of the Great Tribulation. Hoping for your comments and feedback.

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    WHAT ARE THE 7 BIBLE CLUES WHICH REVEAL THE IDENTITY OF THE COMING ANTICHRIST OR BEAST OF THE END-TIMES??

    Revelation 13:17b,18: “The mark of the Beast {Or antichrist} is the *NAME* of the Beast or the number of *HIS NAME*. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, *LET HIM* calculate the number of the Beast {Even in AD 96 when Revelation was written}, for it is a man’s number {Or “Number of a MAN”}. *HIS* number is *666*.” God has promised in the above inspired passage that any saint {Even in AD 96–which implies that the name was known in AD 96} with spiritual wisdom and insight may calculate the name of the Beast which is a *MAN’S NAME* and adds up to 666.
    In Thess 2:3 the Beast of the End-Times is called a “*MAN* of sin or lawlessness” or very SINFUL MAN and therefore the name of the Beast which adds up to 666 is a *MAN’S* name which is also confirmed in Rev 13:17b,18 above. Therefore, the NAME of the Beast which adds up to 666 is a sinful *MAN’S NAME* and could not be the name of a woman or a city, country, computer or Satan, etc.. Rev 13:16,17: “He {The False Prophet} forced everyone… to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead. No one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the BEAST {Nero Caesar??} or the number of his name {666}. The antichrist is called a “BEAST” 36 {6×6} times in Revelation and is a much better name than antichrist since antichrist is mentioned 4 times in God’s Word {I John 1:18, 22; 4:3; 2 John 1:7} and each time the word encompasses all who are against Christ. Surely all who receive the Mark of the BEAST are antichrists.
    Actually there are 7 BIBLE CLUES that show who the BEAST of the future 1260-day Tribulation will be. By an amazing coincidence all 7 Bible clues can be applied to Nero Caesar!!
    {1} The BEAST will be a “MAN OF SIN” or very sinful MAN as per 2 Thess 2:3 above.
    {2} The number of this sinful man’s name is 666 as per Rev 13:16-18. The Bible was written by 40 divinely inspired Hebrews in Hebrew and Greek; so then it is highly probable that this man’s name adds up to 666 in Hebrew or Greek. Nero Caesar’s name adds up to 666 in Hebrew which we will show later in this Bible study.
    {3} This sinful man whose name adds up to 666 died BEFORE AD 96 when Revelation was written.{See Rev 17:8 below} We will show later why Revelation was written between Sept AD 95 and Sept AD 96. Nero Caesar lived from December 15th, AD 37 to June 9th AD 68.
    {4} This sinful man who was alive and then died before AD 96 was FATALLY WOUNDED by a sword wound to his head. Nero Caesar committed suicide with a sword wound to his head on June 9th, AD 68. {See Rev 13:3 and Rev 13:14 below}
    {5} This very sinful man who died before AD 96 was a KING in the Roman Empire as per Daniel 7:24. There were 11 Roman Kings or Caesars who died before AD 96 including the 6th Roman Caesar who killed Paul and Peter in AD 66; and whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew. Domitian Caesar was the 12th Caesar who was alive when Revelation was written in AD 96.
    {6} The beast is also called an 8th KING who ruled before AD 96 as one of 7 KINGS crowned by the city on 7 hills. {Rev 17:9-11} The identity of these 8 KINGS will be discussed later in this article.
    {7} This very sinful ROMAN KING whose name adds up to 666 and who was fatally wounded by a sword before AD 96, will “COME UP FROM THE *ABYSS* or hell as per Rev 11:7 & Rev 17:8. We know that the ABYSS is HELL by comparing 2 Peter 2:4 with Luke 8:30b,31. We can be sure that Nero Caesar is now in the Abyss or Hell since he killed Paul and Peter and thousands of Christians and sent Vespasian {the father of Titus and Domitian Caesar} to kill the Jews and destroy their Temple. The MAN OF SIN or Nero also killed his own mother and killed his pregnant wife by kicking her in the stomach.
    Revelation 17:8: The beast, which you saw, once was {alive}, Now {in AD 96} is not {alive} and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book life.. .. will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was {Before AD 96}, now {In AD 96} is not {Alive} and yet will come. Rev 13:14: He {The False Prophet} will order the inhabitants of the earth to set up an image in honor of the beast who was {FATALLY-Rev 13:3} wounded by the sword and yet lived.” Rev 13:3: One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound. but the fatal wound had been HEALED!! The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.

    When I was a missionary in Israel I studied the Hebrew language. One of the first things that you learn when you study the OT Ancient Hebrew language {Which is also the language of Israel today!} is that the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet ALSO represent 22 numbers! When you read Psalm 119 you will note that the 176 sentences are divided into 22 sections; each section with 8 sentences or verses praising the Word of God. These 22 sections are each headed by one of the letters in the Hebrew alphabet in the exact same order as shown below. The ancient Hebrew language {Which is exactly the same as the modern Hebrew language} frequently used the letters of their alphabet to designate NUMBERS IN THE OT as follows:
    ALEPH=1. BETH=2. GIMEL=3. DALET=4. HE=5. VAV=6. ZAYIN=7. CHETH=8. TETH=9. YODH=10. KAPH=20. LAMED=30. MEM=40. NUN=50. SAMEKH=60. AYIN=70. PE=80. TSADHE=90. KOPH=100. RESH=200. SHIN=300. TAV=400.
    NOTE: Most vowel sounds excpt “O” {VAV} are not used as letters in Hebrew. These vowel sounds are designated by dots and dashes under their *PRECEDING* consonants. In Hebrew “N” is added on the end of all foreign names ending in “O”. Therefore, the foreign name of Nero would be “NERON” in Hebrew. The name Nero Caesar would be pronounced Neron Kaysar in Hebrew. The “E” in Neron and the 2 “A” sounds in Kaysar {There is no “C” in Hebrew} are designated by dots and dashes under their preceding consonants and therefore are not letters in the 22 letter Hebrew alphabet, and so have no numerical value. Neron in Hebrew would use 4 letters with numerical value: N-R-O-N and Kaysar in Hebrew would use 3 letters with numerical value: K-S-R. There would be a dot under the first N to show the “E” sound in NEron There would also be 2 dots under the “K” to show the “AY” sound in KAYsar and a dash under the “S” to show the “AH” sound in KaySAHr.
    The 4 letters with numerical value in NERON would be {SEE TABLE ABOVE} N = 50; R = RESH = 200; O = VAV = 6; and N = NUN = 50 and 50+20+6+50 equals 306. The 3 letters with numerical value in “KAYSAR woyld be K = KOPH = 100; S = SAMEKH = 60; and R = RESH =200 and 100+60+200 equals 360. And so the numerical value of Nero in Hebrew is 306 and the numerical value of Caesar in Hebrew is 360, and therefore the numerical value of Nero Caesar is 306+360 or exactly *666*!
    There is a very interesting footnote in the revised Standard Version concerning the number 666 which states that some ancient manuscripts have the number **616** which *DOUBLY* confirms that Nero Caesar may be the Anti-Christ!! You will note that the Hebrew language adds an “N” to all foreign names eding in “O”. Now “N” or “NUN” in Hebrew has a numerical value of **50**!! and so if you decided not to add the last “N” in NERON then Nero Caesar would add up to exactly **616** in Hebrew. I think you will admit that this is an absolutely amazing coincidence!!
    Any honest Hebrew language scholar will confirm that the letters of Nero Caesar’s name add up to 666 in the Hebrew language whose 22 letters are also 22 numbers as shown above. Since all of the prophecies concerning the Antichrist are written in OT Hebrew {Like Daniel 7:8-25} or NT Koine Greek it would then seem logical that God would use one of these 2 Bible languages to identify the Name of the Beast whose letters add up to 666. One of the problems of doing this in NT Koine Greek is that the letters of their alphabet are not also numbers. And therefore you can only assign a numerical value of 22 to the 22nd letter, etc.. Using this formula you could not get any name to add up to over 250, let alone 666. You have the same problem with English and all other languages other than the Hebrew language!
    NOTE: The 3 different Greek words used in Revelation 13:18b to arrive at the number 666 are the 3 different Greek words for 600 and 60 and 6 and not 6 + 6 + 6.
    Will the 6th Caesar {Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius & the *6th* is NERO who ordered the execution of Paul & Peter in AD *66*} be the Beast who comes up from the Abyss {Or Hell-See Rev 11:7 & Rev 17:8} in the coming Great Tribulation??

    Rev 1:8,9: “I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos beacuse of the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” We know that the island of Patmos was the site of a Roman prison in the first Century and that the Apostle John was suffering in this prison because of his religious beliefs. {As per Rev 1:8,9 above} The island of Patmos is about 30 miles from the port of Ephesus in Western Turkey.
    History tells us that the second huge Roman persecution of Christians {The first was NERO’S PERSECUTION OF JULY AD 64 {When Rome burned} TO JUNE AD 68 OR 47 MONTHS} occurred in the last year of the reign of Domitian Caesar which would have been from September AD 95 to September AD 96. During the last year of his rule Domitian Caesar decreed that everyone in the Roman Empire must worship idols of former Roman Caesar’s or else they would be killed or put in prison. Historical documents show us that the Apostle John {Who then lived in Ephesus} lived to about AD 100 and therefore would have been alive during Domitian’s evil decree of September Ad 95 to September of AD 96. Since we can be sure that the Apostle John would never worship an idol of a Roman Caesar it is then highly probable that John was put in prison on Patmos Isle sometime during Domitian’s evil decree from September AD 95 to September AD 96. Rev 1:10,11: “On the Lord’s Day I {John} was in the spirit and I heard a loud voice {Jesus} said, ‘Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the 7 churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatria, Sardis, Philadelphis and Laodicea.” The last 6 churches are all in Western Turkey within 77 miles of Ephesus. About 50 years earlier Paul had started churches in these 7 cities. Paul always had Jewish converts in the cities where he preached since he had the habit of teaching in Jewish synagogues on the Sabbath. It was then highly probable that all 7 of these chuches had Jewish believers who were very familiar with the Hebrew language and of course knew that the 22 letters of the Jewish alphabet are also 22 numbers and also remembered the first Roman persecution by Nero or the “MAN OF SIN” about 30 years earlier when Paul & Peter and thousands of Christians were martyred because of Nero Caesar. Nero also sent Vespasian, the father of Titus and Domitian; to kill the Jews and destroy their Temple. He also killed his mother and killed his pregnant wife by kicking her in the stomach.

    Christian writings in the early 2nd century AD show that many Christians at that time believed that Nero Caesar {Who adds up to 666 in Hebrew} would return as the BEAST of the End-Times. Rev 13:18: “This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight {Even in AD 96}, let him {Even in AD 96} calculate the Beast, for it is a man’s number. His {Nero Caesar’s} number is 666!” And so the above Scripture absolutely guarantees that anyone with spiritual wisdom and insight could figure out who the Anti-Christ of the End-Times would be even when Revelation was first given to the churches in AD 96, and that the number of his name adds up to 666. This would of course mean that the future antichrist must have been alive before AD 96 when this Scripture was given to the churches. Nero Caesar {Whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew} certainly qualified since he lived from Dec 15th, AD 37 to June 9th, AD 68 when he was fatally wounded by his own SWORD.
    Revelation 17:8b: “Those whose names have not been written in the Book of Life will be astonished when they see the beast {666}, because he once was {Alive–AD 37-68} now in AD 96 is not {Alive}, and yet will come.” {During the Great Tribulation} The Beast once was {Alive before AD 96} now is not {Alive in AD 96}, and will come out of the ABYSS {Or HELL} and go to his destruction.” {On the last Day-See Rev 19:20b}
    The fact that the ABYSS is HELL is confirmed by comparing 2 Peter 2:4 with Luke 8:30b,31: 2 Peter 2:4: “God did not spare the angels when they sinned but sent them into HELL, putting them in gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment.” Luke 8:30b,31: “Many demons {Or Hell’s Angels} had gone into him {A demon-possessed man}. And they begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them into the ABYSS! {Because they had already been in Hell or the ABYSS before!!} Also in Luke 16:22-24 we read that there was a rich man already in HELL at the time of Jesus. Now we can be absolutely certain that an evil Roman king from the city on 7 hills; who was fatally wounded by a sword *BEFORE* Revelation was written in AD 96; and whose name adds up to 666 is presently in this ABYSS or HELL!!
    All historical documents agree that Nero Caesar {The 6th Caesar who ordered the execution of Paul & Peter in AD 66 and whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew} was fatally wounded by his own SWORD on June 9th AD 68. In Revelation 13:14b we learn that the False Prophet of 666 will order the building of a statue of 666 “Who was {FATALLY-See Rev 13:3} wounded by the SWORD and yet lived!” {AGAIN} Nero Caesar {Whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew} again qualifies for this inspired clue as to the identity of the BEAST. Nero’s 4-year Roman persecution began when he blamed the Christians for the burning of Rome in AD 64; and ended when Nero was fatally wounded by his own SWORD on June 9th, AD 68.
    Almost all conservative Bible theologians agree that the 4th Beast of Daniel 7:7,19 is the *ROMAN* Empire. In Daniel 7:20,21 we learn that a little horn who is also called a *KING* in Daniel 7:24 will come from this *ROMAN* Empire. Daniel 7:24b,25-27: “A *KING* {From the *ROMAN* Empire–Nero Caesar??} will arise…. He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints. The saints will be handed over to him for a Time, Times and ½ a Time.” “But the court will sit, and his {666 or the Roman King or the Beast or Nero Caesar-See Rev 19:20,21 and 2 Thess 2:8} power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. *THEN* the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole Heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His Kingdom will be an everlasting Kingdom.”
    Revelation 6:7,8: When the Lamb opened the 4th seal, I heard the voice of the 4th living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death {666, who will cause the death of millions} and Hades {The False Prophet who will cause millions to go to Hades by receiving the mark of 666} was following close behind him. THEY {Nero Caesar and the False Prophet} were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth. Daniel 7:8,20,24 says that an evil Roman King will conquer 3 of the 10 kingdoms {which will cover one fourth of the earth??}–Russia {Combined with former Soviet Union}, China and India cover one fourth of the earth and have over one fourth of the world’s population! These 3 kingdoms may object and become jealous of 666 and his False Prophet ruling every country in the world.
    The following 10 powerful nations have about 50% of the world’s population and about 70 % of the world’s military power and certainly have the military, political and “religious” power to control and rule all the nations of the world: #1. United States #2. Russia #3. China {1.3 Billion} #4. Great Britain #5. France #6. India {1.1 Billion} #7. Germany #8. Japan #9. Brazil #10. Egypt. Brazil borders every country in South America except Chile. Egypt is the university, intellectual and theological center of Islam. After appointing 10 kings who have never before ruled {See Rev 17:12,13} in these 10 nations 666 will then have “authority over every tribe, people, language and nation” as per Rev 13:7b, from his headquarters in Rome. 666 and his False prophet will then quickly gain complete control over the radio, tv, internet, newspaper, book and magazine medias. There are some who suggest that these 10 nations will all come from Europe and will not include Russia, China, India, Japan and the USA and will therefore only have about 5 % of the world’s population and about 20% of the world’s military power.
    Revelation 13:4: Men worshipped the dragon {Satan}, and they also worshipped the beast {666 or Nero Caesar} and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?
    The next 4 paragraphs are an interesting SPECULATION about what might happen at the beginning of the 1260-day Great Tribulation and who might be the future false propet of 666.
    And so Nero Caesar with the help of the armies of the False Prophet {Obama??} and other nations aligned with him will conquer 1/4 of the world {See Rev 6:8; 13:4b} and then 666 will appoint 10 kings over 10 kingdoms to rule the world who have never before ruled {see Rev 17:12-14} and who will then take orders from 666 and his False Prophet from their headquarters in the evil city on 7 HILLS or Rome.{See Rev 17:9}
    Revelation 6:6: “A quart of wheat for a day’s wages!” This phrase can also be translated “A loaf of bread for a day’s wages.” This event will occur at the coming of the black horse rider {Rev 6:5} which will take place just before or at the beginning of the Great Tribulation. Because of the world’s present economic crises the peoples in the 40 poorest counties now have to pay a full day’s wages for a loaf of bread as per Rev 6:6. And if the world experiences a world-wide depression this event could occur in over 100 countries. The world economic crises is rapidly accelarating. Many countries are far worse off than people in the USA during the Great Depression when there was 20 % unemployment. The world economic crises is rapidly accelarating. There are now 40 countries with unemployment rates of over 30 % and this should rapidly increase. And then the world will certainly be looking for an Economic Savior such as 666 and his very deceptive False Prophet. They will be looking for someone who promises CHANGE!! If the Great Tribulation would begin in the near future is there a well-known, powerful world leader that may qualify to be the deceptive False Prophet of 666 who will promise CHANGE you can believe in!! Will this powerful world leader try to bankrupt the USA which will in turn cause a worldwide depression and cause the price of a loaf of bread to cost a full day’s wages??? 666 is called a beast 36{6×6} times in Revelation and the false prophet is also called a beast in Rev 13:11. Obama has nicknamed his presidential Limoisine “THE BEAST”. The False Prophet is featured in Revelation 13:11-17; 16:13; 19:20 & 20:10.
    Do Obama’s religious beliefs qualify him as a False Prophet?? Some insight into Obama’s “Christianity” comes from an interview he gave in 2004 to Chicago Sun-Times religion editor Cathleen Falsani for her book, “The God Factor: Inside the Spiritual Lives of Public People.”
    I’m rooted in the Christian tradition,” said Obama. He then adds something most Christians will see as universalism: “I believe there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.” Jesus says of Himself, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” That sounds exclusive, but Obama says it depends on how this verse is heard. According to Falsani, Obama thinks that “all people of faith — Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone — know the same God. “Obama doesn’t believe he, or anyone else, will go to hell. But he’s not sure he’ll be going to heaven, either.” The False Prophet will certainly teach that you can have your cake and eat it too, and that you will not go to hell if you receive the Mark of the Beast; allowing you to buy or sell everything. However, Rev 14:9-11; 19:20 & 20:10 confirm that he and all who receive the Mark of the Beast will be tormented day and night for ever and ever in Hell!

    NOTE: There are many statues of the exact likeness of Nero Caesar including a 151 foot statue in the “Golden House” in Rome. The Statue of Liberty {Without pedestal} is also exactly 151 feet high… hmmm. At the beginning of Great Tribulation the False Prophet of 666, Rev 13:14: “Will order the people of the earth to set up a statue in honor of the beast who was wounded {Fatally-Rev 13:3} by the SWORD and yet lived!” {Again} This staue of the Beast will be the “exact likeness” of Nero Caesar and could possibly be seen on World Wide TV so that people of all nations will be able to worship this statue as per Rev 13:15b. Obama’s Air Force 1 plane just had a photo op with the Statue of Liberty….Hmmm…. WARNING: The possible identity of the future False Prophet of 666 is just an interesting SPECULATION.

    “Babylon” is called a CITY 7 times in Revelation, chapter 18, and a SEAPORT in Rev 18:17-19. Peter was inspired to call Rome “Babylon” in I Peter 5:13. Rome is a CITY and a SEAPORT built on 7 HILLS! Babylon and Jerusalem are not seaports and are not built on 7 hills!
    Rev 13:14-17: The False Prophet deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was {FATALLY-Rev 13:3} wounded by the sword and yet lived. He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast {666}, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. He also forced everyone to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast {NERO CAESAR} or the number of his name {666}. And God will supply all the needs of His faithful and corageous Tribulation saints just as He miraculously supplied all the needs of the Israelites for 40 years in the wilderness. {See Matt 6:31-34}
    Rev 13:5-10: The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {Or 1260 days or time, times and 1/2 a time-See Dan 7:25 & Dan 12:1,2,6b,7b}….. He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast–all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb…. This call for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.
    Matt 24:9-12…Matt 24:29-31: Jesus says, “Then {During the 42-month Great Tribulation} you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by ALL nations because of Me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved… Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky.’ At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the **CLOUDS**{See Rev 1:7; Mark 14:62 & I Thess 4:16,17} of the sky, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud **TRUMPET**{See Rev 10:7; 11:15-18; I Cor 15:51,52; I Thess 4:16} call, and they will gather His elect from the 4 winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.” {Mark 13:27 adds, “From the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
    There will be 2 Comings of Jesus on the same Last Day: The first above was *FOR* His saints and then after the Marraige Feast of the Lamb Jesus will come *WITH* His saints as per Rev 19:6-8; 11,14,19-21: “Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns, Let us rejoice and be glad and give Him glory! For the Wedding of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready, fine linen, bright and clean was given her to wear…. I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True… The armies of Heaven were following Him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean… Then I saw a beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the Rider on the horse and His army {See Rev 17:14 & Jude 14,15}. But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs and his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshipped his image. The two of them were thrown ALIVE into the fiery lake of burning sulfur {See 2 Thess 2:8}. The rest of them were killed by the sword that came out of the mouth of the Rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh. Rev 20:10b: They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    WILL THE CITY ON 7 HILLS OR ROME BE THE END-TIME BABYLON?? AND WHO ARE THE 7 KINGS {REV 17:10} FROM THE CITY BUILT ON 7 HILLS??

    Most Bible scholars believe that the book of First Peter was written shortly after the beginning of Nero’s Roman persecution of Christians in AD 64 because of I Peter 4:12,13 & 5:8,9. We know that Peter and his wife were living in Rome at this time. Peter was inspired to write in I Peter 5:13: “She {Peter’s wife} who is in *BABYLON* {Nickname for *ROME*!} sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.” Apparently some Christians including Peter were inspired to call ROME “BABYLON” after Nero’s terrible persecution of Christians starting in AD 64. This is very interesting since the evil city of the End-Times is called “BABYLON” 6 times in Revelation 14:8; 16:19; 17:5; 18:2,10,21. Ancient Babylon Had destroyed God’s Holy Temple and God’s Holy City, Jerusalem; and killed, exiled and persecuted God’s people for 70 years. Actually all encyclopedias agree that Babylon was completely evacuated in 275 BC and completely destroyed by 141 BC. The Wikipedia encyclopedia states, “By 141 BC, when the Parthian Empire took over the region, Babylon was in complete desolation and obscurity.” The only question that remains is: Was Babylon rebuilt so that there could be people living in Babylon around AD 65 when Peter wrote 1 Peter 5:13??? Which leads us to the promises of God in Jeremiah 50:1-3,13: This is the word the Lord spoke through Jeremiah concerning Babylon..”Babylon will be captured… A nation from the north will attack her and lay waste her land. No one will live in it; both men and animals will flee away!” Jeremiah 52:52:61-64: When you get to Babylon, see that you read all these words aloud. Then say, “O Lord, you have said you will destroy this place, so that neither man nor animal will live in it; IT WILL BE DESOLATE FOREVER When you finish readiing this scroll, tie a stone to it and throw it into the Euphrates. Then say, “So will Babylon SINK TO RISE NO MORE because of the disaster I will bring upon her.” And God ALWAYS keeps His promises.
    And God kept His promise for about 2284 years; since ancient Babylon is still a pile of rubble to this very day, and will remain that way until the Last Day of the Planet Earth; for God always keeps His promises. In Revelation “Babylon” {Nicknamed Rome by Peter} is a “GREAT SEAPORT” in Rev 18:17-19; JUST LIKE ROME and UNLIKE Babylon whose ruins are NOW 4 miles from the very shallow Euphrates River; or Jerusalem which is 2000 to 3000 feet above sea level and 35 miles from the Mediterranean Sea. Babylon is also completely FLAT whereas the End-Time “Babylon” will be a city built on 7 Hills JUST LIKE ROME!!
    Rev 17:18: “The woman you saw {Rev 17:3–Who sits with the Beast with 7 heads} is the great *CITY* {Rome–nicknamed Babylon in I Peter 5:13–See Rev 17:5a} that will rule over the kings of the earth.” {During the Great Tribulation} Rev 17:9-11: “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The 7 heads are 7 hills on which the woman {Or city of Rome} sits.” Rome is a city built on 7 HILLS!! They {The 7 Heads} are also 7 KINGS {From the city on 7 hills or Rome}. Five {Of these 7 KINGS} have fallen {Or died before AD 96}, one {the 6th KING} *IS* {Or reigning when Revelation was written in AD 96}, the other {or 7th KING} has not yet come, but when he {The 7th KING} does come, he must remain for for a little while. {Possibly the False Prophet of 666 {Or Black Horse Rider} who will be anointed by Satan just before the coming of the 8th KING {Or Pale Horse Rider} who ruled before as one of the 7 Kings} The beast {Nero Caesar who once was {Alive from Dec 15, AD 37 to June 9, AD 68}, and NOW {In AD 96} is not {Alive} is an 8th KING. He belongs to the 7 {KINGS}, because He once was {Alive-AD 37-68} NOW {In AD 96} is not {Alive}, and yet will come {1260 days before the Last Day}.”
    WHO ARE OR WILL BE THE 8 KINGS OF REV 17:10,11?? ROME APPOINTED THE JEWISH KINGS AFTER THEY CONQUERED ISRAEL IN 63 BC AND THE 7 KINGS OF REV 13:1B all had “blasphemous names” so we can assume that they were evil kings who had killed or persecuted Jesus and His followers. And so the first 3 EVIL KINGS {Who are all called KINGS in God’s Word{See Matt 2:1; Mark 6:25,26 & Acts 12:1} were all Israeli KINGS who killed or persecuted Jesus and His followers} and who were appointed by the evil city on 7 hills or Rome:

    AND SO THE 8 KINGS WERE OR WILL BE:

    ** {#1} ** Herod the Great who tried to kill the baby Jesus: Rev 12:3-5: “Another sign appeared in Heaven : An enormous red DRAGON {Or Satan-See Rev 12:9} with 7 heads {Or 7 KINGS-See Rev 17:10a}… and 7 crowns on his {7} heads {Satan crowns the 7 kings whereas 666 crowns the 10 horns}. The DRAGON {Or Satan} stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her Child the moment he was born {Thru his first evil king or Herod the Great as per Matt 2:13b,16!!} She gave birth to a Son {Jesus} a male Child, who will rule the nations with an iron scepter!!”
    **{#2}** Herod who killed John the Baptist and ridiculed and tortured Jesus {See Matt 14:1-12; Luke 23:7-11}
    **{#3}** Herod Antipas who killed the Apostle James and tried to kill Peter. {See Acts 12:1-5,19-23} **{#4}** Nero Caesar who will come again as the 8th KING who will be the BEAST of the End-Times.
    **{#5}** Titus Caesar who killed thousands of Christians when he destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in AD 70. Titus is also mentioned as a “Prince” in Daniel 9:26. Titus Caesar was the oldest son of Vespasian Caesar who was Caesar from Dec AD 69 to AD 79; and therefore heir and Crown *PRINCE* to the throne in Rome and was Caesar from AD 79 to AD 81.
    **{#6**}** Domitian Caesar the 6th KING {“NOW IS”} was ruling in AD 96, and decreed in the last year of his reign {Sept AD 95 to Sept AD 96} that everyone must worship former Roman Caesars {Like Nero} or be killed and put in prison. {Like the Apostle John who was living in Ephesus at that time.}
    **{#7}** Possibly the False Prophet of 666 who will be crowned the 7th evil King of Rome by Satan shortly before the coming of the:
    **{8th}** KING or Nero Caesar {The End-Time Beast or Anti-Christ}; who ruled before as one of the **7 KINGS** The 4TH & 8TH KING will come up up from the Abyss or Hell exactly 1260 days before the last Day to rule from the evil city on 7 hills or Rome.
    Rev 17:6: “The woman {ROME} will be drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bear testimony to Jesus.” While in in Rev 13:7 we learn that the Anti-Christ will be given “power to make war against the saints and to conquer them.” And in Rev 13:15b we read that 666 will “cause all who refuse to worship his statue to be killed.” We must therefore conclude that the evil city “on 7 hills” or Rome will be the HEADQUARTERS of 666 during the Great Tribulation.
    666 will very quickly conquer 1/4th of the world with many miracles {See Rev 6:8; 13:4} and will then appoint 10 Kings who have never before ruled over the 10 most powerful nations of the world {See Rev 17:12-14,17}. The following 10 powerful nations have about 50% of the world’s population and certainly have the military, political and “religious” power to control and rule all the nations of the world: #1. United States #2. Russia #3. China {1.3 Billion} #4. Great Britain #5. France #6. India {1.1 Billion} #7. Germany #8. Japan #9. Brazil #10. Egypt. Brazil borders every country in South America except for Chile. Egypt is the university, intellectual and theological center of Islam. And then 666 will have “authority over every tribe, people, language and nation” as per Rev 13:7b, from his headquarters in the evil city built on 7 hills or Rome.