Historical Egyptian Ingenuity moments #1

Setting: The Barlif Wall, Sinai, Israeli Checkpoint # whatever

Date: 6th of October, 1973

Time: Around 2:15 PM

Narrator: An Israeli Officer , on his walkie talkie, to a fellow officer on the front. 

" Levi, Levi, check it out, the Egyptians are trying to attack us. Oh, no, I am not kidding. For real. They have troops on the waterfront and everything. Are those people crazy? Can't they see this entire line of defenses? Must be all the beans they are eating man. They are attacking a well-structured defense wall with soldiers sitting in bunkers aiming guns at them from an elevated position. Getting them  to back off will be like shooting fish in a barrel. Wait, what are they laying on the ground there? Is that a hose? Hehehe. They brought a hose instead of a canon. Whatchu gonna do with that hose lil GYOM? Get us wet? Wait..what are they…. Is this a water-pump? Are they actually going to try to…NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Oh my g-d. They are hosing our defense wall down. The fuckin wall is getting brought down. They are using fuckin water. I AM NOT KIDDING. Get the guns Levi. GET THE GUNS!!!!"

*And Scene* 

Comments

  1. OMG! That’s so funny! Is this an extract from a play or written by your own fair hand? Either way…I want to read more!

  2. Arima, I was chilling with a friend yesterday, having a good time, when we started discussing egyptian ingenuity. This is one of the examples I came up with as a historical example of Egyptian Fahlawa at work. The other ones are all bad, even though they are funny, so I don;t know. I might put them up. I might not. It All depends!

  3. Adam B. says:

    Egyptian ingenuity has been well proved through history… just not recently! Guys, can’t we see a new golden age of egyptian enlightenment soon? You’ve done so well in the past – you can do it again…! :)

  4. Mohamed#1 says:

    Well ADD SCENE.

    Israeli’s after doing the best they could do, gave back dear Sinai and you know how the DENIAL GOES from there.

    Israel NEVER LOST A WAR …

    ….MWAHAHAHAHAHA…………

  5. meh – even teh j00s get it wrong from time to time

    and Mohamed#1 – Israel never lost?

    last time i read about that particular war, it ended with them still controlling the Sinai and having encircled the Egyptian third army, which was only spared due to extreme political pressure from Washington

  6. MohamedTheFirst says:

    PRICELESS….

    I mean really Rob, “With them still controlling the Sinai,” I mean come on really. What lame ass history book have you been reading Bob?

    Still CONTROLLING the Sinai, mwhahahahah, get out of Ben Gurion University fella and learn something.

    An army division was surrounded but your claim that they still “”C-O-N-T-R-O-L-L-E-D” the Sinai after they got their asses smashed and needed urgent help from 5 western Countries is so fucking PRICELSS!

    PRECISELY MY POINT!

    MISSION ACCOPMPLISHED SM AND VIRTUAL SCENE ADDEED, AY KHEDMA

  7. CarpetCaptain says:

    We unfortunaely did lose that war although the Egyptian army took control of the canal. The IDF did advance to within a 100ks of Cairo and had cut off the entire supply line for the 3rd army. If it wasnt for the ceasefire I think the Israelis did have the upper hand and could’ve decimated the 3rd army.

    Don’t believe me? Read any history book that wasn’t made for local consumption on both arab and egyptian levels. Hell even look it up on wikipedia. I assure you they’re not in on the “Zionist Conspiracy”

    Talking of Egyptian fahlawa, last time i was in Egypt i borrowed Dad’s car and ripped down to Sharm for a few days. On the way there going through the 50 useless police stops the little mounains they call speed bumps destroyed the car’s muffler. So once i get there and have a few beers i decide to go find someone to fix it. There’s no MB dealership there so i had to resort to your local muffler shop in an industrial part of town. He finds a muffler that he says is the original (i see no MB or any other markings on it). He takes out the muffler and guess what they look nothing alike. Of course he spends an hour convincing me that this muffler has been adapted to local egyptian standards and that the germans are wrong.

    Needless to say it was a noisy ride back to Cairo! lol

  8. Mohamed says:

    CarpetCaptain,
    The Suez canal is 100 kilometers from Cairo, so before a single bullet was shot they were already 100 km away from Cairo. Check any major library in the US and see the major papers and magazines of that period coverage of the war, and you’ll have no doubt of who came on top, inspite of an airlift several times the size of Berlin airlift (in fact, the biggest air lift in history).

  9. ” and you’ll have no doubt of who came on top”

    ?? What in the world are you talking about? It was a rout!!!

    (This info was cut and pasted from neutral military websites)
    “Egypt amassed 1000 tanks and 100,000 soldiers on the border, closed the Straits of Tiran to all ships flying Israeli flags or carrying strategic materials, and called for unified Arab action against Israel. Israel’s first and most important move was a preemptive surprise attack on the Egyptian Air Force. It was by far the largest and the most modern of all the Arab air forces, consisting of about 450 combat aircraft, all of them Soviet-built and relatively new. Jordan, which had signed a mutual defence treaty with Egypt on May 30, then attacked western Jerusalem and Netanya. At the war’s end, Israel had gained control of the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, eastern Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights. The results of the war affect the geopolitics of the region to this day.”

    Mo, you’re not a history major are you. The nations of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Algeria combined forces to push the Israeli Jews into the ocean. King Hussein of Jordan after being told by Egypt that they were winning went to the edge of the battle field and saw that all the planes in the air were Israeli and his soldiers were being annihilated. He knew he had been lied to and had made the biggest mistake in his life, he signed a peace treaty with Israel

    Arab conspiracists have said that King Hussein sold Israel battle field information, US and British armed forces were used on Israel’s side.In Six Days of War, historian Michael Oren argues that the Arab leadership spread false claims about American involvement in order to secure Soviet support for the Arab side. After the war, as the extent of the Israeli victory became apparent to the Arab public, these claims helped deflect blame for the defeat away from Nasser and other Arab leaders.

    Immediately after Israel’s victory mobs attacked Jewish neighborhoods in Egypt, Yemen, Lebanon, Tunisia, and Morocco, burning synagogues and assaulting residents. A pogrom in Tripoli, Libya, left 18 Jews dead and 25 injured; the survivors were herded into detention centers. Of Egypt’s 4,000 Jews, 800 were arrested, including the chief rabbis of both Cairo and Alexandria, and their property sequestered by the government. The ancient communities of Damascus and Baghdad were placed under house arrest, their leaders imprisoned and fined. A total of 7,000 Jews were expelled, many with merely a satchel.

    “inspite of an airlift several times the size of Berlin airlift (in fact, the biggest air lift in history).”

    Pure fantasy!! Unbelievable the tripe that you believe. 1st class ignorance! Who came out on top? Who GAINED territory? Who lost territory? Germany finally got the former East Germany back after WWII, does that mean that Germany won WWII?

    Geesh, the nerve of some people and their agenda.

    http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/07/story-of-protest-part-2.html

  10. brooklynjon says:

    tedders,

    I think you’re talking about a different war.

    And your point about East Germany is spot on.

    The fact that many people view Egypt’s preemptive aggression as good, and Israel’s conciliatory return of the Sinai as evidence of weakness, does not augur well for the future of peace in the region.

    bj out

  11. Mohamed says:

    Tedders,
    You’ve just made my day, I swear to god I couldn’t stop laughing while I’m writing this, you’ve by far just made out of yourself the biggest most jumbo fool to ever grace this blog (and believe me, there’s some world class ones here).
    You’ve just confused two wars with each other, you’re talking about 1967 (which, yeah, was definitely one of Egypt’s worst defeats in its history, no argument to that), but the war Sandmokey meant and was as clear as the sun to me and everyone commenting here and in fact clear to any Egyptian with an IQ of 90 or less was the 1973 war.
    Tedders, first learn to read, then learn to think, then learn to subtract (1973-1967=6 year difference), then learn to think again before you make a really funny joke of yourself.

  12. ana Tafengi says:

    Egypt got her arse whopped real bad in 1973. Period. Read any decent history book, preferably one not written by the ministry of education of any Arab country.

  13. The claim about Egyptian Ingenuity was spot on. The use of water in the Sinai war was purely a stroke of genius and that has to be acknowledged. But considering that between the ‘victory’ in 1973 and the Israeli withdrawal in 1981 there was the minor irrelevant detail called the Camp-David agreement, signed between Sadat and Begin, with Jimmah the Dimmah playing handmaiden, it was perhaps the longest victory in the making. With victories like that , no wonder the Arab world is so obsessed with defeats.

  14. MohamedTheFirst says:

    Let 6th October 1973 always be a blatant reminder to the world, the Arab world, the Zionist world.

    That a third world country with God on its side and a little old fashion ingenuity was able to stand up against a regime of belligerent tyranny that was founded by ex concentration camp holocaust survivors who went on a murdering spree instead of getting the Post Traumatic Stress Counselling that they needed.

    A reminder that Israel is and will always be nothing with out the help of the West.

    Ever, atom bombs or not. It is only a matter of time till there is a second Islamic bomb then naturally there will be a third and fourth, so then what?

    Meanwhile enjoy the Pussy in Dahab Sandmonkey lol, priceless!

  15. ROFL.

  16. Roman Kalik says:

    Well, this comment section certainly deteriorated in a hurry. The history revisionism is the best part of it, probably, with some people seemingly ignoring the fact that the Egyptian 3rd Army was entirely at Gen. Sharon’s mercy when it came to food and water, being entirely cut off from the Cairo road when the ceasefire was finally being honored by both sides.

    Hell, Sadat was *begging* the old war-daddy (the Soviet Union) for help at that point. And anyone talking about Egyptian strategic gains in the war had better look at an actual strategic map.

    The Soviets were threatening personal military intervention and possible use of nuclear weapons, though they later claimed the nuclear part was just an idle threat. Not that it mattered, because by the time Kissinger came to the Israelis demanding that they agree to the UN resolution of total ceasefire and withdrawal from territory captured in this war, Egypt had already sent a message saying that they would accept direct negotiations if Israel allowed nonmilitary supplies to reach the 3rd Army and accepted a ceasefire.

    The 3rd Army was in a pretty bad state by that point, you see. The desert isn’t a nice place when you don’t have a supply line.

    And for anyone stupid enough to discuss airlifts to Israel, please take a look at the Syrian front. You know, that place where the Soviets were replacing the tanks Israel was destroying or capturing like there was no tomorrow. The Soviets were resupplying the Egyptian, Syrian, and Iraqi armies both by air and by sea without so much as a peep from anyone, while Operation Nickel Grass (the US resupply of Israel) was severely limited by European fears of an Arab postwar embargo. No commercial airline would help, and the only European nation to even allow the airlift to fly in its *airspace*, not to mention land in it, was Portugal.

    Egypt, Syria, and Iraq didn’t have to so much as worry about equipment as long as the Soviets were helping, whereas the United States was still busy with the Vietnam war at the time – sending munitions to Israel wasn’t seen kindly by the US military in ‘Nam, because they needed them as well.

    But no matter. Egypt won the war. It really, really did. On its own, probably making its own equipment along the way. There was no huge military build-up of Soviet arms, armor, and aircraft before the way. Nor was there a steady delivery of them throughout the war itself.

    It’s all a Zionist myth. Or plot. Or both.

  17. Tedders,
    “You’ve just made my day”! Hehehe Mohamed, whoops wrong war, well not really, it’s all the same Arab-Israeli conflict since the birth of Israel in 1948. Iran and her proxies are trying to continue it to this day. You’re right about the specific conflict being discussed in this post but are wrong about the outcome. Only you could see it as an Egyption victory.

    The Arab armies did perform better in the initial days of the ’73 conflict than they had in previous conflicts but as the war progressed and Israel’s military was deployed the advantage shifted to Israel. The peace discussion at the end of the war were the first time that Arab and Israeli officials met for direct public discussions since the aftermath of the 1948 war and would never have been made if Israel hadn’t militarily trumped the Arab instigated attacks.

    On a tactical level, the end of the war saw Israel with territorial gains in the Golan Heights and the encirclement of the Egyptian third army. The Soviet Union and UN forced a cease fire. Some believe the cease fire prevented Israel from landing its harshest blow, as a USMC report asserts: “They were now in position to threaten the rear administrative and supply areas of the entire Egyptian Army. Largely due to the efforts of the Soviet Union, which was fearful of the possibility of a serious Egyptian defeat, the U.N. Security Council imposed a cease-fire effective 22 October. It would have been bad press for the Soviet colossus to have had their hardware and advisors defeated so soundly by western hardware at the hands of a single country the size of Israel.

    Hardly an Arab victory Mo. But a lesson learned by everyone hopefully. Egypt and Jordan have peace treaties with Israel and hopefully more will come. Peace talks are being held with Syria, who knows where that will go. Maybe rational and pragmatism are contagious! One can only hope so! Who knows what will happen with the impending Iran conflict but I have a feeling that once the crazy twelver mullah’s are neutralized the entire region will have an explosion of good will and prosperity.

  18. MohamedTheFirst says:

    Roman kalik, my hats of to you, wait a minute, I mean my turban lol, since I am what you would like to call a rag head, but thanks none the less for actually taking the so called facetious approach to conjure up the gull to admit under the circumstances, that Israel, the donation basket for munitions did in fact lose that war.

    Only after American & Western intervention where they able to surround the 3rd army.

    Meanwhile the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th & 9th armies were eating Israeli’s for breakfast.

    Dropping the Israeli airforce out of the sky to the point where the americans thought that egypt had a new secret weapon, which in fact they did. the new Sam Sevens.

    The dime bag of 1973 and beyond!

    My hats off to Sadat who killed more straying Jews in those 5 days then Hitler did in the battle field during his whole reign of terror.

    A great day indeed when one pays for the evil of their own actions.

    Let it be a lesson!

  19. MohamedTheFirst I think you’re off your medication.

  20. Roman Kalik says:

    …no, Mo the First, I’m not the kind of person who would call you a rag’ead, though it’s nice to see constant proof of a certain psychological term you may have heard of.

    Projection.

    But I *am* the kind of person who would call you a hate-driven troll. Just wanted to clarify on that little issue. You do have a nice way of formulating a barb-and-bait filled reply, but really… you’ve reached the point where the barbs have been largely coated with the absurdity that constitutes your historic knowledge. It also gets so repetitive – do try to vary.

  21. And ROFL again, Mo. You are one funny guy :)

  22. Haha, I just remembered who Mo reminds me of:

    The Black Knight from Monty Python’s Holy Grail.

    “Let’s call it a draw”

    Hehehe!

  23. Black Knight: All right; we’ll call it a draw.
    Arthur: Come, Patsy.
    Black Knight: Oh, oh, I see, running away then. You yellow bastard! Come back here and take what’s coming to you. I’ll bite your legs off!

    Heeheeheehee!!

  24. Mohamed says:

    Tedders,
    Are you sure it’s the right war this time? :)
    But I’ve got to give it to you, you’ve got balls of steel. After a mixup as glorious as the one you’ve made yesterday, given the authoratative lecturing tone you had, through which you were just asserting your toolness and let’s say lack of brightness, I’d crawl under a rock and disappear from shame.
    Keep up the good word, waiting for more stories from you about Napoleon’s heroics in WWII, Julius Cesar conquests in the crimean war, and the destruction of Ramses the second’s air force.

  25. Well spoken, Black Knight :)

  26. Mohamed, Nurse Racthett called, she said your bed at the clinic has been made up and is waiting for you with a new supply of medication!! Lucky you!! :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g23GiivXC78&feature=related

  27. Mohamed says:

    I’m not the one who needs a nurse, and I don’t think you need one either, as shocking as it is, you’d still need a brain before you start having mechanical problems with it.
    Anyway, congratulations on the family jewels, and next time you try to keep it real, make sure it doesn’t go horribly wrong as it did yesterday :) .

  28. omg mohamed!!! Seriously.. these are facts.. I don’t know what you’re arguing about.

    The real victory in this war was that Sadat was intelligent enough to sign a peace treaty with Israel. I am so proud of him and his courage. After his brother was killed the 73 war, he still was able to stay rational, and tried for peace.. which I think was his plan from the beginning. Now other Arab countries are trying to talk about peace with Israel, and get what he could’ve gotten them years back, but in vain.

    His also is another form of peasants’ intelligence.

  29. “The Egyptian army put great effort into finding a quick and effective way of breaching the Israeli defenses. The Israelis had built large 18 meter high barricades made primarily from sand. Egyptian engineers initially used explosive charges to clear the obstacles, before a junior officer proposed using high pressure water cannons. The idea was tested and found to be a sound one, and several high pressure water cannons were imported from Germany. The Egyptian forces used these water-cannons loaded with water from the Suez Canal. The water-cannons effectively blasted away the barricades. Troops then crossed the Suez Canal in small personnel-carrier boats and inflatable rafts, in what became known as The Crossing, capturing or destroying all but one of the Bar-Lev forts.”

    Kissinger realized the situation presented the United States with a tremendous opportunity—Egypt was totally dependent on the United States to prevent Israel from destroying its trapped army, which now had no access to food or water. The position could be parlayed later into allowing the United States to mediate the dispute, and push Egypt out of Soviet influence.

    -

    As a result, the United States exerted tremendous pressure on the Israelis to refrain from destroying the trapped army, even threatening to support a UN resolution to force the Israelis to pull back to their October 22 positions if they did not allow non-military supplies to reach the army. In a phone call with Israeli ambassador Simcha Dinitz, Kissinger told the ambassador that the destruction of the Egyptian Third Army “is an option that does not exist.”

  30. Well said Maram! Sadat was intelligent enough to sign a peace treaty with Israel after the folly of starting another war that ended badly for the Arabs.

  31. CarpetCaptain says:

    “Check any major library in the US and see the major papers and magazines of that period coverage of the war, and you’ll have no doubt of who came on top, inspite of an airlift several times the size of Berlin airlift (in fact, the biggest air lift in history).”

    Mohammad you might want to research the losses of both Arab and Israeli armies before making such sweeping statements. For the record the Berlin airlift had in excess of 280,000 flights by both the US airforce and the RAF and had lasted 15 months.

    Casualties on the Israeli side were under 2000 deaths and 7000 wounded (significant considering the total population at the time), and approx 12000 dead and 25,000 wounded on the Arab side.

    The Israelis had managed to make territorial gains by crossing into Africa nd being West of the Canal ad well on the Hwy connecting Suez and Cairo.

  32. CarpetCaptain says:

    If you have the time this is a great read:

    Operational Valiant: Turning Of The Tide
    In The Sinai 1973 Arab-Israeli War
    CSC 1984
    SUBJECT AREA History
    ABSTRACT
    Author: Owen, Richard L., Major, USMC
    Title: Operation Valiant: Turning of the Tide in the Sinai,
    1973 Arab-Israeli War
    Publisher: Marine Corps Command and Staff College
    Date: 1 April 1984

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1984/ORL.htm

  33. MohamedTheFirst says:

    Its funny how they please try and keep it original, lest you see that this very line has been over used immensely.

    Plus tedders TRADEMARK, nurseRachet is calling you for you medication.

    Keep it real and find a new line Teddy Pair

    He said the same stuff about that chick Mona whom they all battled with when Sandmonkey closed his blog.

    Yes the same Mona who ended up on the news.

    In the end it was with the West the Arabs were fighting, yet you hear the slaves of Egypt talking about how they kicked ass after there fore fathers escaped from Holocaust camps and murdered Palistinians mwmwmwmahaha then formed Israel.

    AAAAHHH HHAAA HAA

    YOU KNOW WHAT, SCREW ALL OF YOU PEASANT ZIONIST LEACHS, ADVOCATORS OF SCHOOL GIRLS GETTING SHOT IN THE HEAD ON THEIR WAY TO SCHOOL.

    FINE YOU GUYS WON THE FUCKING WAR,

    BUT W MADE YOU PAY SO GOD DAMN DEARLY FOR IT, KILLING MORE MURDERING JEWS ON A BATTLE FIELD THEN EVER BEFORE RECORDED IN THE HISTORY OF MAN SO EAST MY DICK BIOTCHES!

    MWmamahahahaha

  34. Ooouch!

    Now you are only antagonizing them.

    Get ready for some real bigoted presumptuous drivel now!

    Don’t say I never warned you!

  35. Roman Kalik says:

    BUT W MADE YOU PAY SO GOD DAMN DEARLY FOR IT, KILLING MORE MURDERING JEWS ON A BATTLE FIELD THEN EVER BEFORE RECORDED IN THE HISTORY OF MAN!

    Tell that to the Roman Empire, dearie. And to Jewish partisans in WWII. And to all the Jews who fought in various armies in WWI. Really hate to break it to you, but Egypt isn’t the world leader when it comes to killing armed Jews. You must be so sad, not having that title.

    And you seem to be really obsessed with this killing Jews thing, man. Might not be the sanest situation for you. Seek help.

  36. “e said the same stuff about that chick Mona whom they all battled with when Sandmonkey closed his blog.
    Yes the same Mona who ended up on the news.”

    When did that happen MohamedTheFirst? I never saw anything in the news about little miss sweetness, did I miss a suicide bombing or something? Got any references or links?

  37. “FINE YOU GUYS WON THE FUCKING WAR,”

    Only in a military and tactical sense.

  38. NOBODY won the war, it was a ceasefire and you are all arguing about “what could have been” or “who had the upper hand” .. Ego fights are never constructive, Man you are even quarrelling about the authenticity of history books!

    Why can’t you logically contemplate the outcomes instead? Sadat orchestrated a situation that forced isreal to make peace with us, with the blessing of all mighty Uncle Sam .. If that is not clever, I don’t what is!!

  39. Roman,

    If you touch it, it will stink even more.

  40. ” Sadat orchestrated a situation that forced isreal to make peace with us”

    Israel, regardless of what you believe, was never a belligerent state. They would like peace from all it’s neighbors with no territory claims to be made for them. Surrounding countries have been belligerent, started wars and then paid minor territorial losses. An example of that was the October 6 to October 26, 1973 war. I don’t think Israel would ever invade another country unless there were hostile troop build ups at the border indicating a pending attack on herself. If Sadat wanted a peace treaty with Israel all he had to do was start the process. No war needed to be started. What Sadat intended was to deliver a harsh military defeat to Israel and drive the entire Jewish population into the sea. It didn’t quite work out for him that way. You still have to give Sadat some credit for the negotiated peace treaty that was the end result.

  41. Roman Kalik says:

    NOBODY won the war, it was a ceasefire

    Nearly all wars end in a ceasefire. It’s either a ceasefire or total destruction in a military conflict. Is total destruction the only way to win a war, then?

    Why can’t you logically contemplate the outcomes instead? Sadat orchestrated a situation that forced isreal to make peace with us, with the blessing of all mighty Uncle Sam .. If that is not clever, I don’t what is!!

    That assumes that this is what he planned – which is debatable. I sincerely doubt that a war involving so many participants (it wasn’t just Egypt and Syria, to say the least – and that’s just in the Middle-East itself) was all revolving around Sadat’s brilliance and long-term conspiracies.

    What *is* certain is that both countries (Israel and Egypt) profited from an end to armed hostilities, which is a nonmilitary victory for both, and a mark in Sadat’s favor as being one most intelligent, and mature, leaders in his time and area. Not anyone can break a regional political and near-dogmatic consensus, and Sadat did just that.

    Roman,

    If you touch it, it will stink even more.

    Possibly true. Or possibly it will deflate and dry up all the quicker.

  42. “Or possibly it will deflate and dry up all the quicker.”

    Yes. I hope so. Please, just be careful and poke it with really long stick.

  43. EgyPeter says:

    It is nothing short of A-M-A-Z-I-N-G the countless versions people have of the SAME EXACT history. Puzzles me to no end.

    The wars that Nasser and Sadat plunged Egypt into were nothing short of total catastrophe!!!!

    The delusional idea of some huge united ARAB Army saving the Muslim world from the evil Zionist entity is SO TERRIBLY LAUGHABLE to me.

    “The fact that many people view Egypt’s preemptive aggression as good, and Israel’s conciliatory return of the Sinai as evidence of weakness, does not augur well for the future of peace in the region.”

    **PERFECTLY said, BJ!!!!!

  44. EgyPeter says:

    And maybe it’s just me, cuz I’m part of that Right Wing Ameri-Ziono-Coptic Movement (aka RWAZCM), but it seems that there are a lot more Jews on this blog talking about peace and moving forward than Egyptians. Not all, of course but it just seems that Egyptians are still totally consumed with their past humiliating wars with Israel. We have GOT to get over it!

    While I abhor Sadat, thank God for the “peace” treaty…

  45. CarpetCaptain says:

    While I abhor Sadat, thank God for the “peace” treaty…

    AMEN to that!

    “BUT W MADE YOU PAY SO GOD DAMN DEARLY FOR IT, KILLING MORE MURDERING JEWS ON A BATTLE FIELD THEN EVER BEFORE RECORDED IN THE HISTORY OF MAN SO EAST MY DICK BIOTCHES!”

    You have got to be fucking kidding me….two things check your facts and get help. Maybe not in that order

  46. Mo the #1st says:

    I’m really lad I so deservedly touched the nerve intended

    Mwwhahaha, I just had to comment on Teddirts…regardless of what you believe, Israel was never a belligerent state.

    Mwhaha Haggana indiscriminately killing innocent men woman & children is not considered belligerent?

    See why now you guys are and will continue to be slaughtered when given the chance?

    Because of your arrogance.

    Plus Monkey and i love the Israeli Pussy in Sinai, Dahab especially. I am all pro Israeli when getting that Pussy.

    But truth be told, Lebanese chics are far easier and better looking too.

  47. indiscriminately killing innocent men woman & children with homemade rockets and explosive vests?

    How about this Mo the 1st, stop attacking Israel with your bottle rockets on steroids, suicide bombers and see that they won’t have to target terrorists that hide BEHIND old women and children!!

    What did you mean by, “Mona, the one that was n the news” ? Just curious, have a great day!!

  48. EgyPeter says:

    tedders – remember that crazy mona that would rant and rave on this blog. I vaguely remember her…I guess we won’t be seeing her anymore, she’s gone on jihad, I guess. Good riddance.

  49. Mo the #1st mentioned her, something about crazy Mona being in the news. I assume it was when she strapped on a suicide vest and tried to get near the Israeli border!! No I’m just kidding, I don’t think she did that but Mo the #1st implied she was in the news sometime ago. I was just wondering what it was about. I hope it wasn’t related to violence.

  50. Patrick says:

    Egypeter, copts shouldn’t side with israel over egypt, EVER, under no circumstances

    We’re Egyptians first and foremost and plenty of Christians died at the hands of Israeli soldiers.

  51. amen to patrick

  52. Roman Kalik says:

    Egypeter, copts shouldn’t side with israel over egypt, EVER, under no circumstances

    You’re assuming that this is an either or situation. And that, essentially, is the whole problem that EgyPeter is talking about. And what you completely fail to comprehend, it would seem.

    Is being Egyptian defined by hating Israel? Is wanting an end to conflicts with Israel and a reconciliation something that is un-Egyptian? I’d like you to answer that, Patrick, as honestly as you can.

    Is national patriotism based on how you perceive, and react to, others? Because you’ve pretty much accused EgyPeter of treason here, and I’d like to understand just how you define being loyal to your country and to other Egyptians.

  53. Mo the #1st says:

    Haggana, Haggana, Hagggana

    Nanny nanny Boo boo,

    Israel started the slaughter…so go fuck yourselves

    Oh Mona, well you dont believe el Arabia News anyways, but she opened the door to a so called fast food delivery service that actually turned out to be Tear-or-wrists who went in and spread Israeli just on a few ex marines living there. She was convicted but acquitted because of her American papers. Find the link your self, her real names Maha

    She wasnt all keyboard, she was for real.

    And a good day back to all of you supporters of innocent kids being shot on their way to school by good Samaritan IDF soldiers serving a country that wants peace mwhahahaha

    Haggana, haggana, Haggana
    Haggana, haggana, Haggana
    Haggana, haggana, Haggana
    Haggana, haggana, Haggana

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  54. Jonathan Levy says:

    I’ve been reading Mo’s rants, and I’m hoping there are some Egyptians living in Egypt who can instruct me on two questions -

    1) Do you think Mo is expressing beliefs he actually holds, or is he just Trolling?
    2) Are such beliefs commonly held in Egypt? Specifically, that :
    A) [Israel] “got their asses smashed and needed urgent help”
    B) [In 73 there is] “no doubt of who came on top” [Presumably, Egypt :) ]
    C) “Sadat killed more Jews in those 5 days then Hitler did in the battle field during his whole reign of terror”
    D) [One of Sadat's accomplishments was] “KILLING MORE MURDERING JEWS ON A BATTLE FIELD THEN EVER BEFORE RECORDED IN THE HISTORY OF MAN ”
    E) “Sadat orchestrated a situation that forced isreal to make peace with us”

    (Not sure I took all these quotes from the same person, but anyway…)

    Hopefully, someone can clarify this for me.

    The reason I ask is that this attitude to me seems very foreign – I doubt I have ever felt these emotions myself, or heard another Israeli express them. I believe I identify here a strong sense of pride, of exultation, at having humiliated one’s enemies along with the the venom and hatred. This goes far to explain the interpretation of the war as an Egyptian victory – if the purpose of the war was to restore Arab pride, then the worldview makes sense – the first successes overshadow the later reversals, the Israeli need for an American airlift negates the Soviet resupply of the Arab armies, and the heavy Israeli losses distract one from the much greater Egyptian losses. Pride restored is Victory gained – the rest of the facts just don’t matter.

  55. Mo the #1st says:

    With a Jewish Spewish name like levy, your comment is already void.

    But I will indulge you none the less.

    Who are you to judge what sounds foreign and what doesn’t?

    Of course there is venom towards Israel, they are after all what you call Jews. A race that has been simply hated for their sanctimonious tactics and doctrines throughout the ages for yet alone going on an unjustified Arab killing spree. Of course there is hatred and venom.

    Oh ya, and guess what, you guys will lose AGAIN as always, just as history has proven and has been prophacized in all the monotheistic religions even your own. A few wars that dont even spread over half a century doesn’t mean shit.

    Oh ya, plus you assholes won the war fair and square, we wouldn’t have it any other way. But like i said we killed a whole lot of you lucid bastards than we can even digest. Yeeeeeah.

    One more thing, YES you guys did need urgent help. Even with the scandalous Lebanese Hezb Allah war, you guys needed help from daddy Europe & America, crying for your Holocaust bottle. If you guys werent so smitten with greed, you would have your own military industry and wouldnt have to rely on others to kill, Murder, bludgeon, maim little Palistinian school girls.

    And no doubt, since you guys never lost a war, you probably think that you guys won that war too.

    LOL!

    And dont forget that even if Israel consisted of 99.9% mother Teresa’s right now, which it doesnt, but still Israel was founded on Murderous chain gangs that uprooted and terrorized an entire nation that you claim is unworthy to breathe the air.

    So your purpose is defeated!

    Haggana, Haggana, Hagggana

    Nanny nanny Boo boo,

    Israel started the slaughter…so go fuck yourselves.

    Enjoy it while it lasts.

    plus please try the saute fish dip in Dahab and the sluty Israeli Harlott pussy.

    A sure winner.

    Daughters of Canaan RULE.

    Ask the mesmorized sandmonkey who still writes about GUC, AUC, KG2, coz he fucked a few young israeli’s and said WoW!

  56. Jonathan Levy says:

    Dear Mohammad –
    It’s very kind of you to have indulged my void comment despite my Spewish name. I would favor you with a reply.

    “Who are you to judge what sounds foreign and what doesn’t?”
    I used the term “foreign” in a very personal sense, meaning something which I have not seen or experienced directly in my life. In this regard, I am competent to judge.

    “Of course there is venom towards Israel, they are after all what you call Jews…”

    You seem to have misunderstood my question. I was asking whether a set of specific beliefs are commonly held. You are trying to explain why a certain attitude is justified.

    “Oh ya, and guess what, you guys will lose AGAIN as always…”
    Ah, prophecy is a wonderful thing. But I thought Mohammad was supposed to be the *last* prophet? Perhaps it’s a case of mistaken identity. :) But I digress.

    There now follow some remarkable displays of ignorance about Israel:

    1) “If you guys werent so smitten with greed, you would have your own military industry and wouldnt have to rely on others …”
    2) “And no doubt, since you guys never lost a war, you probably think that you guys won that war [2nd Lebanon war] too.
    that you claim is unworthy to breathe the air.”
    3) “…an entire nation [Palestinians, presumably] that you claim is unworthy to breathe the air. ”

    1) Israel does have, in fact, an advanced military industry, which includes tanks (Merkava), electronic systems, ABM systems, UAVs, etc.
    No doubt this revelation will now serve to prove our bloodymindedness, in the same way that its absence served to prove our greed :)

    2) Are you not aware that Israel established a commission specifically to investigate the failures of that war? That the Chief of staff and Defense minister resigned because of it? That Olmert is despised because of its outcome?

    3) I have been living in Israel for the past 12 years, and have never heard anyone claim that “[the Palestinians] are unworthy of breathing the air”, much less an official claim this. This is not a commonly held belief. Did you read this in an Israeli newspaper? Perhaps in an official statement from the Israeli Foreign Ministry?

    This combination of ignorance and zeal has brought to my mind another question – perhaps you will indulge me again. I will try to make it as
    clear as possible, in the hopes that you will answer it, instead of repeating the arguments you have already made several times, about how many schoolgirls we have killed, murdered, bludgeoned, maimed, (4 in this thread already), etc.

    What are your sources of information about Israel? TV? Newspapers? Blogs? If so, could you please give examples of channels/names/addresses? Do you read Israeli newspapers direct from the source? Have you ever been to Israel? Met any Israelis?

    (My knowledge of the Arab world comes mainly from mostly left-wing writers in Israeli newspapers (Danny Rubinstein, Amira Hess, Avi Issascharoff, Khaled Abu Toameh), memri, and various blogs (several lebanese blogs, sandmonkey, ITM, Michael Totten, etc).)

    Please try to confine yourself to factual statements, rather than rhetoric – as in “No, I have not been to Israel”, rather than “NO! I would NEVER go to Israel you yucky icky person!!! I would have to wash my feet with turpentine if I so much as stepped across the border” etc. etc.

    Sincerely,

    Jonathan Levy

  57. Mo the #1st says:

    Flapping your mouth off as usual in an extreme horrid frantic attempt to rebuck my last commet, specifically……the following!

    Even if Israel consisted of 99.9% mother Teresa’s right now, which it doesnt, but still Israel was founded on Murderous chain gangs that uprooted and terrorized an entire nation..

    So your purpose is defeated!

    Haggana, Haggana, Hagggana

    Nanny nanny Boo boo,

    Israel started the slaughter…so go fuck yourselves.

    Enjoy it while it lasts.

  58. EgyPeter says:

    “Egypeter, copts shouldn’t side with israel over egypt, EVER, under no circumstances”

    That’s just stupid. Sounds like something that Mo the 1st would say.

    Patrick, I’m EGYPTIAN, not Palestinian. And I will never hate Israel for the sake of hating it or just because it’s the chic thing to do in Egypt . Although I wish them luck, I have nothing to do with the Palestinians (especially Hamas). The only thing I’m interested in is Egyptians building peace, not war, with Israel.

    Just look at the country they’ve managed to develop in 60 years!!!! Egypt could take a lesson or two probably…we haven’t been able to do that in 5000 years.

    Egypt has WAY WAY more to gain through peace with Israel rather than another war where we get our asses handed to us for no reason.

    And with ‘Mo the 1st’ spewing all that idiocy, doesn’t bode well for logic and peace.

  59. ‘Mo the 1st’ spewing all that idiocy, doesn’t bode well for logic and peace.

    Mo’s what my wife’s school would call a, “special needs” student. Egypt can’t be full of his likes or the whole world is in trouble!! :)

  60. JUST-MO says:

    Cus Omac enta we howa yawlad el metnaka el sharmootal weskha ya fake optee we yahoodi enta we howa, ya zabalt el zeballa.

    Hows that for special needs you scum bag zioterrorist supporter son of Canaan shmuck!

  61. Ah shoot, I feel the same way about you Momo!! ROFLOL! :)

  62. EgyPeter says:

    I told you dumb ass, I’m Egyptian! As a matter of fact, I have more Egyptian in my left toe than you do in your entire body! Plus, I would rather be Jewish than a filthy dirtbag like yourself any day! :)

    Salam

  63. Hey Mo #1, I can’t find anything on Maha (crazy Mona) in el arabia or anywhere else. Got any suggestions or search tips for me?

  64. At comments 64, 65, 66 please stop cluttering my blog with your moronic bullshit. I have been tolerating it long enough already. I never said anything before but instead of leaving congestion why not try and refute Mo the #1st’s remarks?

    I hope I will never see another redirect link to my blog again as the posters name.

    Thank you,

    SM

  65. mohamed the #1st says:

    Thank you sandmonkey for the slight of hand which I prefer to conclude as the ultimate debacle of any attempt to debate the palistinian israeli conflict without conceding to the fact that the path to build Israel was cleared by the jewsish terrorists of 1948, such as the Haggana and many other indiscriminant displacing machines.

    Terrorism only harbors terrorism.

    Israel could be the kindest sweetest nation in the world but there will never be peace until this fact is not continuously attempted to be smudged out by various parties and coalitions such as the AIPAC.

    Have a nice day!

  66. Does “Mo” stand for Mona or Mohammed? Anyway, I doubt s/he is Egyptian at all. The temper tantrum totally subverted any possibility of debate. Post 60 revealed a lot about ‘Just Mo’ ‘s character and origin . Other than the “objectionable” language , no one in Egypt says “optee”, we rather say ‘eptee’, ‘iptee’, or even ‘geptee’, the same for ‘zebala’, not zabla.

    Post 53 reminded me of Bart Simpson at the blackboard. Mo, in a debate people have to be able to understand you; stop the yelling & screaming, sit down & take a sip of cold water. I would like to hear your opinion.

  67. mohamed the #1st says:

    mwhahaha are you the great opostate nony who appears on Al Jezeera and is all over you tube & satellite television, it sure Sounds like it? Especially the part about thinking that all Mo’s are one and the same, trying to analyze my language, ethinicity, personality hehe. Ahhhaa!

  68. VERY CLEAN INDEED says:

    Thank you sandmonkey for the slight of hand which I prefer to conclude as the ultimate debacle of any attempt to debate the palistinian israeli conflict without conceding to the fact that the path to build Israel was cleared by the jewsish terrorists of 1948, such as the Haggana and many other indiscriminant displacing machines.

    Terrorism only harbors terrorism.

    Israel could be the kindest sweetest nation in the world but there will never be peace until this fact is not continuously attempted to be smudged out by various parties and coalitions such as the AIPAC.

    Have a nice day!

  69. VERY CLEAN INDEED says:

    A Very Good Point indeed. You are amazing, no wonder the likes of nony are trying to figure you out if you actually are one and the same.

    AIPAC are doing a pretty good job at hiding the above but they will never succeed fully. Jews without occupation have been expelled from every country they have lived in ever since they started the major transgressions against their faith. So occupying Jews will surely fail miserably again the same as always.

    Sad but true. Enjoy it while it lasts israel indeed.

  70. I really hate to rain on your parade Mo, but I am not that Nony ( whoever she is). I am not an apostate, neither great nor small. Alas, I have also missed the fame train, I neither appear on Al Jazeera, satellite tv, nor even you tube. Life can be unfair you know. I am curious however, you seriously believe that, provided that such a ‘great apostate’ person exists, she will find the time & interest to analyze your ethnicity, language etc? Too bad , I’m just a normal run of the mill person!

    By the way , post 68, sent by you, is an exact copy of post 71 which is signed “Very Clean INDEED”; who proceeded to congratulate you on the ‘Very Good Point’ raised by ‘your amazing’ self. Bart you’re funny! You’re actually patting yourself on the back in different posts! I will get out of the way of your self adulation . I asked you for your opinion, you failed to express anything of any intellectual value. ( yawns & goes to sleep)

  71. Mahmoud says:

    I hope that one day I can see arabs and Israelis working together for the sake of their people without any conflicts, wars or western political influences.

  72. Mahmoud says:

    Who Is With Me?

  73. VERY CLEAN INDEED says:

    Nony is with you Mahmoud, NOT!

    Nony is with her self!

    I was just reitterating what Mo said.

    What a self analyzing righteous bitch who claims she never heard of Nony Darwish the Egyptian Benedict Arnold traitor apostate extraordinaire. Use Google you psycho analytical wannabe FBI profiler.

    Answer to your weak minded question and your ENQUIRER TMZ dose of intellectual value. = i dont know what mo stands for but I guess it is Mohamed, because I sure as hell don’t see any Mona’s here, or were you wishing it was her so there would be a cat fight hehe. SHE WOULD TEAR YOUR FACE OF FOR SURE.

    I hope now you are awake and your highness is pleased with her self delusional jargon.

    Nitey Nite!

  74. Roman Kalik says:

    I share your sentiments, Mahmoud, so I guess that would mean that I’m with you. Though I would like an end to *all* external political influences, as there had always been a great deal more than mere Western influence around here – be it during the days when the Soviets used our region as a testing ground for all their new toys, or today.

    But frankly, it was never external influence that was to blame for our issues. We’re the ones to blame, all of us living here. Blaming outsiders is just the easy way out, in my opinion.

  75. @76

    Thank you very much for bringing Nonie Darwish to my attention. I googled her & read 2 of her articles at “http://www.frontpagemagazine.com” & at “http://www.nuitdorient.com/n3227.htm”. She is a fascinating woman. I can see however, how her views can push some to epileptic frenzy. What do you think about individual’s freedom of religion & conscience. Are you against it? Why? It’s a pity that instead of presenting an argument, you preferred a tantrum . You & Mo have not advanced the cause of Palestinians by an iota. It is not by writing Haggana 500 times that you convince anyone to look at the problem from your point of view, nor does the repetition constitute historical evidence , at least, not according to the Enquirer ;o) !

    I still find you funny: “Nony is with you Mahmoud, NOT!”…How old are you? Do you believe that Nonie Darwish & FBI profilers are after you? Well, whatever makes you happy. Actually, I am with Mahmoud, but have my doubts that the ME will ever be free from outer influence, whether the West or Iran, not until a viable alternative source of energy is found. However, I know, you are more interested in calling me names than listening to my opinion. Dont let this small intrusion bother you, carry on with the shouting.

    One last bit of advice, keeping a cool head can help you write clearly, & maybe even lessen any tendency of shooting yourself in the foot. “self analyzing” implies that I was analyzing myself, I wasn’t. Also, just after mentioning Mona, you addressed me by saying that you hope :”YOUR highness is pleased with HER self delusional jargon.” You just insulted your friend! To answer your question, no I have no wish for a cat fight with anyone, nor do I have any wish to reply to, or interact with, you at all. Those who like to drown other people’s opinions in outbursts of inane decibels are uninteresting . Your choice of language, the insults etc, is both crass & churlish. If you feel like more rad7, try to engage someone else. I do not stoop that low.

    Don’t let the bed bugs bite…(big yawn)

  76. CarpetCaptain says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLgeMo0XE7k&feature=related

    I hadnt heard of Noni Darwish before.

  77. VERY CLEAN INDEED says:

    hhahahahahahahaha Yawn Yawn Nony OPEN WIDER Let me…..

    YOU AUC’n fake ass English wannabe Flip flop wisher well.

    You cool and collected secular looking for a man liberated h,, mwahahaha

    Moosh 2adir a kamil mwhahahaaa

    Your grammar is erroneous typical Foreign Language English Grammar Za EEJiBt.

    The only thing you said that made any sense is “the ME will ever be free from outer influence, whether the West or Iran, not until a viable alternative source of energy is found.”

    Wenti men ahlo ya rohi

    Mwuah

  78. VERY CLEAN INDEED says:

    There used to be a memryt that used to post here that sounds just like you nony.

    I’m glad you all have been introduced to this opportunistic biotch Nony darwish, but our guess is she is just pretending to be able to get close enough to blow up a stadium of her fathers assassin’s. If you dont know who they are, look in wikipedia

    adieu

  79. “hhahahahahahahaha Yawn Yawn Nony OPEN WIDER Let me…..
    You cool and collected secular looking for a man liberated h,, mwahahaha

    Did you really have to embarrass yourself to this extent by exposing your true caliber, and your total intellectual deficit? I did not intend to reply to the putrid muck that spews out of your mouth. However, I changed my mind because I realized that you are one of those creatures who went on rampage down town Cairo, groping & harassing women. If you yourself were not there, you still belong to that same group of people, who represent a huge devolution of humanity. You cannot provide any argument because you do not have the mental ability to do so. You are incapable of addressing women on any intellectual bases because you cannot think above your waist. Actually, your head & bottom must be interchangeable, because both have the same cognitive & intellectual abilities. To let your comments pass would be unacceptable because ‘people’ like you are too dense to perceive the difference between revulsion, weakness, & appeasement.You represent that class of Arab men who blight our societies with their intolerance, incompetence & inept frustrations; yet use aggressiveness towards women as a cover up …a social & cultural disease.

    Your post displays, among other traits, a disjointed linguistic aptitude. You just string words together in barely coherent phrases. Do you even bother to read what you scribble?

    “YOU AUC’n fake ass English wannabe” Feeling envious about the AUC, ( you must have been disqualified or just refused admission?), keep it to yourself, don’t bother others.

    ” Flip flop wisher well”?? Is your choice of words because Zanouba was your nickname, since all your desperate teachers in the kutab kept exclaiming at you “edeeny mokhak wa emshy 7afy”? Must be!

    “Moosh 2adir a kamil mwhahahaaa” Of course , you ran out of your limited vocabulary.

    Have I stooped low enough to suit your level of comprehension? Don’t bother replying because this is really the last time I will waste any more of my time reading anything you write… just not worth it.

    Sandmonkey, I apologize for this outburst, the first & last.

  80. NONY WHO? says:

    Ya wad ya wad ya wad ya ITIKAY ya Zanouba NoNy — al ay sorry ya sandmonkey for zis ouwet berst.

    hhhhhaaa, I am not egyptian you said yourself.

    What happened.

    OK you are not memryt whatever, but you are the same caliber ya nu2sa deen w adab w 3a2l.

    aslan why do you even think I am a guy because I said open up and I am so fucking vulgar on a blog only visited by enemies of the AraB WORLD, or a pretend sell out like nony darwish that wants to get into the in circle of the Jews to blow em up like because Her dad was a martyr, so do you really think she sold out hhaa ya riiiight, as if!

    Anyways, you are right, I am vulgar, EX AUC, but you are a womanin Egypt all you will have is a man putting his dick in you you worthless biotch. munchkin and I use the vocabulary equal or less to the person I am addressing.

    Language school sweetheart, why does that get you so upset,…?

    Thanks for saving us from your (putrid) reply, did you learn tahat word in GCSE O level or 10 grade American system, yakhti 3layha yakhti 3layha…

    Surry ye ramla-ird four za oowet berst ya man!

    HahahahahahhjamaM AMHAHMAHMAHA

  81. Wow… This seems to be a very interesting blog, I will make sure to check it more often.

    As for the subject being discussed, I recommend watch the PBS production The 50 Years War: Israel and the Arabs. As it has an accurate graphical display of both wars in 1967 and 1973. I am sure it will convince a lot of the doubters on who won the war both tactically and strategically.

    -Cheers

  82. The Gippo says:

    Well these 89 posts have been a ride……

    Not so well or eloquent with words like you guys but i will state what i recently read fom he man himself that masterminded the October 73 crossing possible F.M. Saad El Shazly (The book is banned in Egypt and the man prosecuted for exposing so called military secrets) which is far from true.

    Well this is just to say that strategically Egypt won the war as they didi exactly what they had in plan.

    1- Surprise Blow…… Done
    2- Take Bar Lev Line …Done
    3- A Solid foot print on the east upto 20km not more(under Sam Umbrella)
    4- Decimate any counter attack during that time until cease fire

    Egypt maintained this posture until a series of mistakes starting with El Ferkha 21 ( I beleive it was) sending it further beyond the Sam Umbrella to their death practically plus others sebsequently that left our back on the western side with no reserve troops to defend.

    They said that our attacks were executed to eleviate the pressure the Syrians were facing ( Well lots of debate in General Shazly opinion)

    General Saad Al Shazly opposed this moves that is why he was dissmissed.

    So what i want to say that Israel was able to use our unexplicable mistakes to her advantage but never out manouvered us in the first 15 days before those terrible mistakes.

    Sadat i beleive did what he had to do……the situation was desperate but he did it with style…so well he did that he got a Noble prize for it.

    That is all folks

  83. Hishtegatem says:

    So your arguments are that since Israel offered to return an enormous piece of land for peace, they lost the war? Thats the sort of thinking that proves who the real aggressors of this region are. Israel gave a massive piece of land, which has ancient Jewish religious significance and which even today is a major Israeli tourist hub, in the far distant hope that Egypt honestly intended no further harm toward Israel. She allowed Egypt to recover from an embarrassing loss of native territory despite the fact that returning it significantly lowered Israels defensive position against any future attack. A bold risk for peace. As for the arguement about who was tactically the winner of the war of 1973 and all the nonsense about it being a truce or something along those lines I suggest you look at a simple personal picture of my good friends grandfather, in which he stands atop an Israel Army jeep and points in the distance to… whats that there? the capitol city of Cairo, clear as day.