Is it worth it?

Too many people are jovial about the return of Samir Al Kuntar, with even Nasrallah informing him that the 2006 war was for him. The question I would like to pose here, regardless of whether or not Kuntar is a child killer , is it worth it? Oh, and look at the below table before you make that answer, please!

 

The sweet taste of Victory, ehh? 

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  1. Seraph
    July 17, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    As I have said before, most Arabs seem to be like the Black Knight in Monty Python’s Holy Grail…

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  2. tedders
    July 17, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Most aren’t smart enough to look at cost vs return. Cognitive thought and rationale aren’t exactly their forte, so to speak. What ever they see as a propaganda coup is where they put their efforts. They don’t seem to realize that the world has grown tired of them and their tactics many times over.

    Seraph,

    [King Arthur has just cut the Black Knight's last leg off]
    Black Knight: Okay, we’ll call it a draw.
    King Arthur: [Preparing to leave] Come, Patsy.
    [King Arthur and Patsy ride off]
    Black Knight: [calling after King Arthur] Oh! Had enough, eh? Come back and take what’s coming to you, you yellow bastards! Come back here and take what’s coming to you! I’ll bite your legs off!
    :) :) :)

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  3. EgyPeter
    July 17, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    You sillllllllly English KA-NIGETS.

    “Go away or I shall taunt you a second time”

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  4. twosret
    July 17, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Oh tedders,

    Israel dirty long laundry list is much worse than this. Paleaze!

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  5. Gary Gluon
    July 17, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    It reminds me of the American Express commercials where the costs are being tallied up item by item:

    The price of provoking the Israelis – over 100,000 houses destroyed, 1 million people displaced.
    The price of dragging the civilian population of Lebanon into it: 1200 Lebanese dead.
    The price to the long term health of the nation’s economy: $5 billion lost, $15 billion long-term costs.
    The price to Lebanon’s environment and safety of it’s children: hundreds killed and leftover cluster bombs.

    Being able to claim a victory and bragging and braying in the streets of Beirut like retarded donkeys: priceless!

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  6. Clean Machine
    July 17, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Well the heart the Hezb Allah had is indeed like a Visa commercial, fucking Priceless. The Israeli’s are trying to indoctrinate this kind of thinking into the IDf soldiers to make em super soldiers but they all basically said fuck that!

    Hezb Allah turned the fear of death into the love for death. With Israel’s disproportionate actions, and still couldn’t call a decisive victory, they pissed of more Arabs that now support Hezb Allah 25X more than before the war. So in fact Hezb Allah did win by all measures.

    Ya Hitler and 1,500 other fucked you guys side ways, but 1,500 wrongs plus 1 don’t make a right

    & Goood Night!

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  7. Grandmasta
    July 17, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    great post. Its good to see someone finally asking that question.

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  8. Arabista
    July 17, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    I think that chart pretty much sums it up in a nutshell

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  9. Andrew
    July 17, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    The ultimate price the Arabs / Lebanese pay is when Iran uses their hatred of Israel as a lever to eventually conquer them and control them under the guise of “resistance” – to what ?

    no hatred of israel = no persian control

    when the arabs welcome israel home as the family she is…then all will be fine in the middle east

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  10. tedders
    July 17, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Gary Gluon, you made me snort!! :)

    “Israel dirty long laundry list is much worse than this. Paleaze!”

    There are always three sides to every story, yours, mine and then the truth!
    All Palestinians are not terrorists, the majority I believe are innocents and victims of their criminally incompetent leaders who enrich themselves at their peoples expense.

    I’m home, email me!! :)

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  11. brooklynjon
    July 17, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    This is ultimately the question that leads to lasting peace. In lots of places in the world, there are people who believe they have a legitimate axe to grind. What ultimately keeps them from going to war is the realization that, no matter how good it will feel to exact their revenge, it’s just not in their own self-interest.

    Societies that place a high value on honor have a hard time ending wars. Societies that place a higher value on having a good life have an easier time of it.

    I think ultimately the great value of people coming to the west, and developing an appreciation for its values, is that they can then look back at their old society through a different prism, and see where their social emphases lead.

    The point is not to assign blame to this one or that. And it is not to compare the virtue of one side in a conflict to another. The point is merely to reflect on whether it really is worth it to persevere in the conflict.

    Twosret, you and I can argue until the cows come home about this point or that, but I know in the end, you’d agree that it’s really not worth it, and it would be a lot more fun to go have sushi and a cup of sake or two. Multiply that by a few million people, and you have peace. And sushi. Yum!

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  12. tedders
    July 17, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    “And sushi. Yum!”

    Don’t forget the sake. Or maybe Kirin beer! It’s rice beer so maybe the silly yaks won’t be put out!!! :)

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  13. Twosret
    July 17, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    “I think ultimately the great value of people coming to the west, and developing an appreciation for its values, is that they can then look back at their old society through a different prism, and see where their social emphases lead.”

    oh I’m impressed NOT. Although I have to admit that the west have done that before looking at the east :)

    Sake Bomb tedders will do :)

    You’ve got mail :)

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  14. Twosret
    July 17, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    “This is ultimately the question that leads to lasting peace. In lots of places in the world, there are people who believe they have a legitimate axe to grind. What ultimately keeps them from going to war is the realization that, no matter how good it will feel to exact their revenge, it’s just not in their own self-interest.”

    George Bush Hello!

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  15. Twosret
    July 17, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    “that it’s really not worth it,”

    You got it wrong with you it is worth it:)

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  16. brooklynjon
    July 17, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Two, I’m not just talking about YOUR culture. I’m talking about everyone’s.

    And I hold out as the most obvious example, the Japanese in the middle of the twentieth century, looking at the ravages of war, seeing their own culture from a western perspective, and deciding that as satisfying as it might be to fly your plane into a destroyer, it’s really better to build cars and send your kids to good schools.

    tedders, Kirin? Feh!

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  17. Twosret
    July 17, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    What is MY culture that you are referring to?

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  18. brooklynjon
    July 17, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Torontonian, of course

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  19. tedders
    July 17, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    Feh (interj.)
    Indicates disapproval or displeasure: Feh, don’t touch that dirty thing.

    bj, you always give me a smile!

    Hey, I’m just trying to include those of us who may be a bit digestively challenged to one degree or another. Just trying to give more options to the masses!! :)

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  20. brooklynjon
    July 17, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Well, personally, were I inclined to shred my gluten intolerant intestines to smithereens with a barley-based beverage, I would certainly want it to be something of higher quality than Kirin (“when you’re beerin’”). May I propose a Sam Smiths Taddy Porter, or a Newcastle Brown? Or, my own hometown’s brew, Brooklyn Lager?

    And I’ll have some edamame and a couple of alaska rolls, please.

    bj

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  21. Twosret
    July 17, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    I have had the pleasure to try the Suntory Malt not bad at all, Newcastle Brown Ale is not bad but it’s a beer for fish and chips beer. I like it dark really dark Guinness stout will be my choice after all I served them for many years :)

    yes for edamame but no rolls for me just Sashimi plz.

    I’m no longer Torontonian I’m Texan all the way now LOL

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  22. cfw
    July 17, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    no credit/link to NOW Lebanon for the chart?

    hmph!

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  23. khaled
    July 17, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    I saw the celebrations on CNN for some reason i didn’t feel all happy and joyful. Those ppl i saw on T.V looked like they just wanna go out and be happy for now. Tell you the truth we cant blame them. They went for the best of the worse. As if they were saying since we cant unite behind a single armed front to face Israel ( somthing called a national army), we will just gonna cheer for whomever does any thing to piss the Israelis off.

    It is just a matter of time until hezbollas reveal their own agenda, right after Iran ask them the ” Who’s you daddy question” and demands more than the usual ass kissing.

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  24. Shay
    July 17, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    I love how cognitive dissonance works; Not only is Kuntar a hero, but he’s also innocent. I don’t understand how this fits together. I mean, why is he a hero if he didn’t kill any Zionists? What was he doing in Israel then?
    Also, the whole doubting thing, guys, he was found guilty in a court of law. You know, the kind with Western standards, where one is innocent until proven guilty. We know he killed Danny and Einat Haran because there were eyewitnesses and physical evidence. He also later gloated about it with other prisoners, too. We have those accounts on record. It’s not some BS. It’s times like these I actually wish Israel had the death penalty. How much easier life would have been for us if this piece of shit were executed 30 years ago.

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  25. Kate in NYC
    July 17, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Remind me never to hire a Lebanese accountant.

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  26. Twosret
    July 17, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    “Remind me never to hire a Lebanese accountant.”

    A Lebanese accountant should never work for a racist like you.

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  27. Twosret
    July 17, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    “I love how cognitive dissonance works; Not only is Kuntar a hero, but he’s also innocent. I don’t understand how this fits together.”

    Last I checked some street names in Jerusalem they were named after some terrorists far worse than Kuntar.

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  28. tedders
    July 17, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Velkopopovický Kozel Dark is my latest fav beer.

    The Czech Republic knows it’s barley products!! LOL

    “street names in Jerusalem they were named after some terrorists far worse than Kuntar.”

    That’s hard to imagine.

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  29. Roman Kalik
    July 17, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    A Lebanese accountant should never work for a racist like you.

    Yes, of course Kate is the racist here. After all, she did take the table above, transposed it into an economic equivalent for the purpose of irony and humor, and used this to poke at how many Lebanese view Kuntar’s release, when compared to the net loss on the right side of the table, as a grand victory.

    And though I realize that explaining a joke renders it useless, this time… the joke’s on you, Twosret.

    Last I checked some street names in Jerusalem they were named after some terrorists far worse than Kuntar.

    Name us a few, Twosret. And while you’re at it, care to check the street names and squares in Ramallah, or perhaps in Gaza City?

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  30. Twosret
    July 17, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Oh how funny kate I’m tickled *rolling eyes*

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  31. Twosret
    July 17, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Roman, David Benvenisti can help you.

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  32. Roman Kalik
    July 17, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    I asked for street names, Twosret, not the name of a tourist guide writer. Do note the difference.

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  33. brooklynjon
    July 17, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    Roman, I believe King George was a badass. And Abraham Lincoln.

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  34. twosret
    July 17, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Go do your home work Kalik kiddo Mommy is busy

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  35. Twosret
    July 17, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Elizabeth is great though :)

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  36. brooklynjon
    July 17, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Well, to be fair, by today’s standards, Sherman’s march across the south would be considered terrorism. And Lincoln was his superior. Of course, it ended slavery in this country, but still…

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  37. Twosret
    July 17, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Woops *was great

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  38. Charles
    July 17, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    In April 2006, on the 27th anniversary of Samir Kuntar’s imprisonment, Hassan Nasrallah promised “the prisoners will return to us very shortly.”

    It took two years until Kuntar was freed. Nasrallah’s insistence on Israel releasing Kuntar, who wasn’t a Hezbollah man but a member of the Palestine Liberation Front, was a test of Nasrallah’s leadership. Even the return of his son’s body, after he was killed by the IDF in 1997, didn’t slow him down.

    Nasrallah built up Kuntar into a symbol of his own credibility and his ability to deliver on promises to such an extent that he imposed his release on all of Lebanon. Praises were showered on Hezbollah, the Lebanese leadership was prominent at the reception for the freed prisoners and Lebanese and Hezbollah flags flew side by side. All this merged Kuntar, the symbol, with the leader who brought him home and the state whose politics Nasrallah dictates. Israel’s insistence on not releasing Kuntar played into Nasrallah’s hands, for he perceived, with his customary insight into Israeli public opinion, that Israel was providing him with a banner.

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  39. Charles
    July 17, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    Nasrallah DELIVERS !

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  40. Charles
    July 17, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Five militants freed in a prisoner swap with Israel prayed and laid wreaths at the grave of a slain Hezbollah commander Thursday, vowing to fight Israel as supporters showered them with rice.

    I´M A FIGHTER AND FREEDOM IS MY CAUSE

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  41. Clean-Machine
    July 17, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    The bottom line is Hezb Allah has turned the fear of Death into the Love of death. Israel not being able to call a decisive victory even with this disproportionate response, is a victory for Hezb Allah by all measures, and as the Visa commercial puts it, that, IS PRICELESS. Israel tried to indoctrine such qualities into its IDF soldiers but basically they said fuck that.

    I know Jews have been fucked side ways like 1,500 times, but 1,500 wrongs plus one doesn’t make a right!

    & good Night!

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  42. Charles
    July 17, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Hezbollah got well more than their moneys worth from their border raid of two years ago. In the end, they gave the IDF a black eye and they also received more power in the government. In the bargain they caused the sacking of Israels defense minister, chief of staff, and six other generals. They also threw Israel into political turmoil for the past two years and redeemed Kuntar and 4 other top level prisoners. In his wildest dreams, Nasrallah could never have hoped for such an outcome. As an added special bonus for all of us, the entire issue has Israels supporters spewing spiteful and dire threats at any who will listen or even for those of us not listening. For my part, this last bonus is the most satisfying.

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  43. Ed
    July 17, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    Great thought provoking post…

    Sadly those affected probably don’t read your blog, or if they do don’t take it to heart.

    Keep up the Good Work!

    Ed

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  44. Craig
    July 18, 2008 at 12:28 am

    The bottom line is Hezb Allah has turned the fear of Death into the Love of death.

    An admirable thing for the self-proclaimed “Party of God” to have done, no? What God is that, though? Not mine.

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  45. Clean-Machine
    July 18, 2008 at 12:58 am

    Definitely not your God dude you worship Twosret or at least rebel against her as if you are Satin and she is Yah! Do you Jews believe in a Satan or do you just consider all non Jews the same as Satan? Just curious?

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  46. DB
    July 18, 2008 at 1:14 am

    All this time I thought you were a Zionist, Sandmonkey.

    And then you go ahead and actually make a tabulated list of Israeli atrocities committed in 2006 that no human being in their right mind would (or could) justify.

    And for the record:

    2000 – Israelis leave South Lebanon

    2004 – prisoner exchange

    2006 – major blow to Israel, mass popularity and gains in Lebanese domestic politics

    2008 – Political ally Michel Suleiman elected president, gave Hezbollah veto power and more representation

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  47. Craig
    July 18, 2008 at 2:34 am

    Clena, Mona, it, Ahmed, it, Mohamed, whatever…

    Definitely not your God dude you worship Twosret or at least rebel against her…

    Are you implying some kind of sexual thing? That’s the second time you’ve done that in the last hour or two. Does Twosret know you thing of her that way? I hear he husband is pretty jealous! best to be careful! Oh, and look up that word “projection” – seriously.

    as if you are Satin and she is Yah!

    Satin? Yah? What religion is that?

    Do you Jews believe in a Satan or do you just consider all non Jews the same as Satan? Just curious?

    You ask me what Jews believe? lol. Well, at least I know YOU aren’t Twosret! 1 down, 247 sock puppets to go.

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  48. Kate in NYC
    July 18, 2008 at 2:37 am

    Remind me to never hire Twosret as a joke writer.

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  49. The Egyptian Sandmonkey
    July 18, 2008 at 2:59 am

    @ 74 & 75 Mohamed & Twosret

    PLEASE I DONT EXPECT YOU TO OPENLY GREE WITH ME HERE AS I ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY IS OUTRIGHT TRUE YET VERY MOCKINGLY HILARRIOUS! SPARE YOURSELVES THE HEADACHE FROM THE BABOONS BAS PLEASE ALLOW ME.

    I don’t even fucking know how you guys (gal) can hang out here with these nincompoops. I mean this more like a soup kitchen for the dysfunctional with latent socio somatic inadequacies. I mean what kind of self satisfying grandeur gourmet drivel is actually served here? I mean talk about an unaquired taste. I didn’t know Grandiosity and delusional self righteousness in healthy portions did anything for a person. They the opposition, seem to be the protagonists and chefs of the Sm kitchen , connoisseurs of grandeur wisdom. How gracious of them to share the secrets of their recipe with us. But we already know the constituency of their predictable servings. No nutritional value, delusional pseudo civilism dashed with a touch of false “Yah” given entitlement, then marinated in heaps of homos hubris before being sauteed in solom despair in the hope of the final portion being a satisfying filler to their already inflated ego’s with the voids measuring larger than black holes themselves.

    Indeed one must be at least unemployed with a whole lot of nothing to do or utterly amused like myself by the creepy crawlies gracing this site to be regularly visiting here. back to my original question, unless you feel you are wasting time, why do you come here unless you have accustomed to swatting flies. It feels like a game of Solitaire except your not playing yourself. I

    But them, Hmmm, Do they get a load of themselves?

    I mean seriously, you can’t buy puppy dolls like EgyPeter with his false sense of “ALL The Above” or Craig with his Obssession of Twosret, he should start a perfume, (suggest soliciting RothsChild for a grant) you can call it Eau de TWORZS CHILD. Or how about the most docile, the HUMMER – BJ with his self righteous I am a Jew who never did anything to you, I just support anything Israeli because us Jews have been screwed left right and centre a 1000 times so nobody will mind if we make it 1001 times in the hope that (although we know what we are doing is wrong) maybe we wont get slaughtered again just for one more generation or two Oh Please Please, what do you mean NO YOU ANTISEMITE – [WTF?] Mwahaha. SOMEBODY CALL WALT DISNEY NOW!

    And one of my favorite self denying Jews to date “The Not So Honourable Tedders”- No comment!

    Roman Kalik, who’s name sounds like the kilt wielding Scotish Jewish informer who notified the Roman Empire of Jesus’s where-abouts in return for safe passage back to Scotland where they told him they will chop off a portion of land so he and his wenches could call that Zion. I mean OM-fucking-God!

    What a bunch of Oh MAMMA- THRILL!

    How amusing REALLY!
    Dee hagga 7*arra begad ya3ni bas rewesha mot fe nafs el wa2t.

    3amou Foad – 3amou Foad
    3amou Foad – 3amou Foad
    3amou Foad – 3amou Foad Ray’eh yestodd
    3amou Foad – 3amou Foad be yestod diban — heyyy

    COULDN”T HELP IT. EXPECT THIS TO BE REPOSTED IN EVERY THREAD WITH THE OMISSION OF @ 74 & 75 Mohamed & Twosret

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  50. Sorry about the handle
    July 18, 2008 at 3:09 am

    Sorry about using the sandmonkey name, had to get my post in there, his spam filter just sucks and that was the only way I could get it in. Smart eh with lots of Balls too! After all it took me a whole 10 mins to write so please start the feeding frenzy on disseminating the spelling mistakes, antisemitism and lack of proper grammar there of you lifeless KABBAB cheeks!

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  51. Howie
    July 18, 2008 at 3:23 am

    SM-

    I did not notice on the chart anything about successes of Hizballah…

    They killed a few Israeli soldiers
    They killed and wounded numerous civilians with there rockets randomly pointed at non-military targets in Israel

    So…that is something to their brave credit. Sami was personal when he smashed a little girl’s head against a rock…So it seems like a good deal. A child murder saved by a group that targets folks seating in their apartments with their Iranian-supplied rockets…and laments about Israeli atrocities after they ignite the whole mess through kiddnaping, terrorism and murder…

    I think it sounds just about right…makes sense.

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  52. Nope
    July 18, 2008 at 3:34 am

    BTW your friendly neighbourhood troll that just keeps TERRORIZING you that you just can’t seem to get rid of, IS NOT pro Palistinian, BUT IS JUST ANTI ISRAELI.

    Since Palistine is anti Israeli too then they are allies, catch my drift?

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  53. twosret
    July 18, 2008 at 6:47 am

    abla fakeeha is that you?

    Kate,

    get a life!

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  54. franchie
    July 18, 2008 at 11:53 am

    woa the clanic contest again

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  55. The Raccoon
    July 18, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    People tend to forget an important variable in this equation – Israeli public opinion. Until now, it has been largely pro-Lebanon; Hizballah was seen as an independent agent holding Lebanon hostage. This is why Israel used such unreasonable restraint after being attacked by Hizballah.

    But Lebanon’s idolization of a monster has caused a massive shift in Israeli perception of Lebanon. When Lebanon attacks Israel again – for now Hezballah is Lebanon for all the average Israeli cares – every Lebanese will be a Samir Kuntar.

    And Israel can destroy Lebanon completely – turn it into a smoking, corpse-littered wasteland – within a couple of days, using only old ammunition. Do you think it would, when every corpse is that of a Samir Kuntar?

    A preemptive answer to Twosret – you too are a Samir Kuntar.

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  56. Howie
    July 18, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Raccon

    You make an important point. The last time around there was all this talk about “disproportionate response”…I love these terms losers come up with to explain away their misjudgment and stupidity…But they do sucker people into believing it.

    But you are right, Israel never had much of an issue with most Lebanese people…I don’t know if I agree that Israelis see ALL Lebanese as Sami, but I do think there is enormous rage over the cynical use of dead boys to get back a piece of excrement like Sami.

    So I agree…I think public opinion will strongly demand a response that made the last war look like a game of patty-cake. And Hizballah will start to rain down rockets into civilian areas and that is when the gloves will fully come off.

    I still feel bad for many Lebanese. Most are smart enough to know that Nasrallah screwed them. They know they were screwed far more by Syria and Iran than by Israel and most fully know the Nasrallah started this whole disaster. But they have almost no control over their own country…so I guess it is going to be either civil war and/or war with Israel. And another enormous disaster for Lebanon.

    But hey…if they can land a few rockets in a nursery, it will increase their poll rating in certain sectors of the the Arab world.

    Worth it I guess, eh?

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  57. Kate in NYC
    July 18, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Snap!

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  58. franchie
    July 18, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    I have a nice and gentle friend in Lebanon, that doesn’t support HBZ, nor even any of the “official lebanese representatives, I don’t like the idea she will get old ammunitions

    Why don’t you claim the “death penalty” for “Kuntar” people alike ?

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  59. The Raccoon
    July 18, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Franchie – this is the tragedy of the thing. I know a number of Lebanese I respect a great deal…

    But when nations go to war, individuals get trampled. C’est la vie. I hope the sane Lebanese will be able to reclaim their country, but I doubt it more with every moment. They are the too few righteous men in Sodom and Gomorrah.

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  60. Craig
    July 18, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    I hope the sane Lebanese will be able to reclaim their country, but I doubt it more with every moment. They are the too few righteous men in Sodom and Gomorrah.

    I hope the sane Lebanese are getting out of the country while they can. This may have been a PR victory for HA, but it was a PR disaster for Lebanon.

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  61. ili
    July 18, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    Racoon said:
    But Lebanon’s idolization of a monster has caused a massive shift in Israeli perception of Lebanon.

    Not only in Israel. There is a saying in my country: People reveal themselves by their heros. Whoever learned how Lebanon welcomed that ugly creature has turned away in disgust.

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  62. CarpetCaptain
    July 18, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    I sincerely hope that Israel can figure out a way to get the piece of shit for good this time. Nasralla and his party of Satan adventures only aim to benefit him and increase his power base as he succesfully been able to accomplish.

    Once you look at the ongoing tally of his last adventure and what the potential cost of the coming one will be to the Lebanese people you’ll soon realize that as someone has suggested hiring Lebanese accounts is bad for business (Twosret spare me the racist bulshit my last GF was a Leb).

    Lebanon has to figure out how to disarm EVERYONE whether its the Shiite terrorists or the Palestinian refugess. Civili society and armed gangs dont mix.

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  63. Howie
    July 18, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    Capt.

    “Lebanon has to figure out how to disarm EVERYONE whether its the Shiite terrorists or the Palestinian refugess. Civili society and armed gangs dont mix.”

    That is the problem…can’t be done. Lebanon, to me, is like 2-3 countries mixed into one. There is minimal loyalty to a central government and much more tribal. Kind of reminds me of some African countries in certain ways.

    I know Lebanese too..these guys are brilliant and well-rounded…not fools and they know what’s up. Why do you think Lebanon had such a horrible civil war?

    However, if, or more likely WHEN, Hiz. starts up again…a whole lot of innocents will be hurt. Oh…and don’t leave Iran and Syria out of the question. Do you really think the Lebanese are fully free to decide things for themsevles. Most are caught between a hammer and the anvil.

    So you had a leb. girlfriend eh? Hot, bi-sexual stuff? Oh wait..did I get that mixed up with les.?

    “People reveal themselves by their heros?” Ili…I really like that.

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  64. CarpetCaptain
    July 18, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Howie

    Sadat had said it a long time ago “lift your hands off Lebanon” Nasrallah takes his marching orders from his Iranian and Syrian masters so without a doubt neither will allow him to disarm. They get him to do the dirty work tey fantasize about doing but avoid for a lack of balls. So I do agree with you, but I also never think that Lebanon will achieve any sort of meaningful stability.

    And yes she was very hot and very bi ;) The latter being non neogitable (oink)

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  65. El MECHINA El NEDIFA
    July 19, 2008 at 12:39 am

    Carpet burns, did she suck as good as your mamma sucks your new step daddy’s dinky winky. If she does, then she is definitely hot, even after the operation.

    As far as I know Sadat was and still is a national hero in Egypt, hence representing the Egyptian frame of mind. Therefore run away victims of sodomy who talk down on Egypt like none else than Egypeter, have got their facts totally screwed up and are products of demonization.

    All things considered, Egypt is doing OK baby!

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  66. Howie
    July 19, 2008 at 12:53 am

    “regardless of whether or not Kuntar is a child killer”

    Historical revision begins yet again.

    I guess this too is another Jewish conspiracy to beesmerch (Sp.) the good name of yet another misunderstood Arab hero.

    Next it will be Sami was trying to save the child from the arms of her abusive father…while fight off the entire Israeli army with a 4 inch knife and a series of Jackie Chan kicks, volleys and back flips…

    Finally, the truth comes out.

    “All things considered, Egypt is doing OK baby!”

    Well…enjoy it baby.

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  67. El MECHINA El NEDIFA
    July 19, 2008 at 2:17 am

    The spite in your salutations leaves little to be desired with your contemptuous tone and preliminary level of thinking..
    Back at you..

    Reply
  68. Howie
    July 19, 2008 at 2:29 am

    El Mechina

    I think I have fallen in love with you.

    Reply
  69. El MECHINA El NEDIFA
    July 19, 2008 at 2:36 am

    Ahhh jeeeesh Howie, not here baby..

    How’ee gonna do this, your place or mine?

    lol?

    Reply
  70. what_kind_of-spam_filter_you_got_running_here
    July 19, 2008 at 2:41 am

    Ahhh jeeeesh Howie, not here baby..

    How’ee gonna do this, your place or mine?

    lol?

    Reply
  71. Howie
    July 19, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    I am an egalitarian…I will stand on the Israeli side of the border and he can bend over on the Egyptian side…

    That’s how we make piece…er…I mean peace?

    Reply
  72. opally
    July 19, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    the “disproportionate response”. I want to understand this.

    Let’s say there is a rabidly anti-American, well-armed, well-funded military group in Canada. They are lobbing bombs into the U.S., sometimes striking Detroit. The U.S. tells the Canadian govt., “Dudes! Get those guys out of there or there will be trouble between us!” but the poor Canadian govt. is too flimsy and divided to do anything effective. So, this emboldened group kidnaps some American soldiers to use for negotiating power, or just to tweak the U.S. (It has to be proportionate to Israel’s loss, so 18 soldiers.) The U.S. tries to negotiate for their return, but the demands of this group are deemed unreasonable. The American population is, of course, outraged, and demands that the govt. take effective action to rescue, punish, and prevent this from happening again.

    The U.S. then puts into play a battle plan that had been drawn up years ago, which they try to execute quickly to block transfer of the kidnapped soldiers from Canada, and disable its infrastructure. That’s what war’s all about. If you’re not damaging infrastructure, you’re not doing much to disable the opposition. And instead of blowing up people, wouldn’t you rather be blowing up their stuff? It’s impossible to treat the militant group as if it were separate from Canada. The world is outraged at the loss of life and damage in Canada, and can’t imagine why such actions were taken just for a few soldiers. The U.S. fails to achieve some important objectives, and the anti-American militant group is damaged but jubilant as the U.S. withdraws. The rest of the Canadian citizenry suffers, but continues to tolerate the presence of the militant group.

    But maybe there are fewer kidnappings, rockets and mortars?

    What would you do if you were the American govt., given this parallel?

    What if we place this parallel scenario between Germany and France? Syria and Turkey?

    Would one expect the U.S. to whine to the militant group, “pleeease give us back our soldiers, we’ll give you anything you want!”

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  73. Howie
    July 19, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    All said and done and joking aside….

    We have peace with Egypt and peace with Jordan. Not a perfect peace…but we have not been killing each other for a long time and there is even business that is benefiting many people…

    Lebanon is a victim…a victim of colonialism, of Syria, of Iran, of Israel, of the Palestinians…and more than anything…a victim of themselves. A united Lebanon could do so much…but alas…tribalism rules out…and right now Nasrallah is the most divisive element in that country…It is a tragic waste of potential and much suffering that never needed to happen.

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  74. bishbish
    July 19, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    SM sorry off topic BUT WHEN WILL YOU POST ABOUT THE WESTERN NIQUABI ??????——–THE DARK KNIGHT

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  75. franchie
    July 19, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    for those who appreciated him,
    the others, stay away.

    John Robert Cunningham, 60, of Haverford, a Bronze Star Vietnam War veteran and a former National Guardsman, died of liver cancer July 8 at the Veterans Affairs Nursing Home in Philadelphia, where he had been since June.

    He was born in Darby, grew up in Ardmore, and graduated from Richard Montgomery High School in Rockville, Md.

    Mr. Cunningham was drafted into the Army in 1967, and served two tours of duty in Vietnam. He received a Bronze Medal with a V for valor after providing aid to injured fellow soldiers during an intense firefight.

    After his discharge in 1972, Mr. Cunningham worked briefly as a taxi driver in Philadelphia before relocating to Buffalo. It was there he served with the New York Army National Guard from 1984 to 1994. He also worked for many years as a personal care aide.

    Mr. Cunningham had a taste for opera and classical music. He was a regular at concerts of the Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra and the Philadelphia Orchestra. Mr. Cunningham was also a talented woodworker with a knack for restoring furniture.

    He is survived by his mother, Rosemary Cunningham; sisters Jaclyn, Karen, Rosemary, Anne Marie and Patricia Rathbone; brother Joseph; and nieces and nephews.

    A Funeral Mass will be said at 10 a.m. Monday at St. Denis Church, Eagle Road and St. Denis Lane, Havertown. Friends may call at 9:30. Interment will follow in St. Denis Cemetery.

    Philly Obituary

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  76. ili
    July 19, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Howie, there is nothing tragic about that waste and suffering. It is just stupid. But of course, the Lebanese are free to do whatever they wish: get together, separate or continue to be at each others throats – as long as they do not harm their neighbour states.

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  77. El MECHINA El NEDIFA
    July 19, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    @ 73 Apally, Well the US has been around for too many years but Israel can not afford to act like the US. So why not Apply a little brains to the equation. Maybe Israel had intended on being a peaceful fair nation, 3% of what it is right now. But the fact remains that Jewish terror groups went around cleansing Palestinians left right and center. The middle east isn’t red Indians in America or whatever, this is the heart of Holly War. It is very sad but in the end, without a doubt, Israel will have a huge part to play in the end of the world. Israel is a fundie nation and so is Iran and the world is a lot better place without them both.

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  78. Mike Nargizian
    July 19, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    Is this Clean Machine’s arab cousin?

    El MECHINA El NEDIFA

    But the fact remains that Jewish terror groups went around cleansing Palestinians left right and center.
    Just out of curiosity which textbook did you get that from? I’ve met the guy that has studied the archives and written more about the history than anyone in the world? So your statement is probably about as intelligent and deep as you are.

    The middle east isn’t red Indians in America or whatever, this is the heart of Holly War. It is very sad but in the end, without a doubt, Israel will have a huge part to play in the end of the world. Israel is a fundie nation and so is Iran and the world is a lot better place without them both.

    The end of the world? huh… they’d have to make people like you up if they didn’t exist and people still wouldn’t believe morons like you really exist.
    By the way Holy is spelled with 1 ‘l’.
    Yeah the Middle East was originally non Arab wonder if you knew that Einstein?
    You know all the people the Arabs have and to this day descriminate against and have cleansed as well?
    Assyrians – Armenians – Kurds – Jews – Anatolian Turks – etc…
    But I bet you and your Arab pals didn’t have much to say about the end of the world when Saddam gassed the Kurds and then moved hundreds of thousands out of Mosul and put in Sunni Arabs in their place in the past 15-20 years… just like you have nothing to say about the hundreds of thousands murdered and millions homeless in Sudan supported by Sunni Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Arab League and China.. that’s an “internal matter” not anything to worry about ‘ don’t look over there look over here.

    And btw, your concern and knowledge about the American Indians is probably something you memorized from a line on a website you meorized yesterday.

    Furthermore, the ‘Holy Land’ not that I’m religious or think that religion is anything but stories from 2-3000 years ago… but Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the Koran which says in a relatively unimportant or key Sura that Mohammed supposedly rose to heaven from the “farthest mosque” and many historians believe the Syrians politically built a mosque on top of the hill decades after Mohammed’s death and named it “Al Asqua” after which it quickly fell out of signifigance again.
    And not to be unfair I don’t believe most of the story of Jesus or Moses either.
    And 1 more thing for you folks when Jesus supposedly died – the place was called Judea – Samaria and the Galilee – in case you didn’t know the word Jew comes from Judea… ie.. Jews come from Judea…

    And now you can actually pretend like you have a fing clue what you’re talking about.
    Regards -
    Mike

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  79. Mike Nargizian
    July 19, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    Is this Clean Machine’s arab cousin?

    El MECHINA El NEDIFA

    But the fact remains that Jewish terror groups went around cleansing Palestinians left right and center.

    Just out of curiosity which textbook did you get that from? I’ve met the guy that has studied the archives and written more about the history than anyone in the world? So your statement is probably about as intelligent and deep as you are.

    The middle east isn’t red Indians in America or whatever, this is the heart of Holly War. It is very sad but in the end, without a doubt, Israel will have a huge part to play in the end of the world. Israel is a fundie nation and so is Iran and the world is a lot better place without them both.

    The end of the world? huh… they’d have to make people like you up if they didn’t exist and people still wouldn’t believe morons like you really exist.
    By the way Holy is spelled with 1 ‘l’.

    Yeah the Middle East was originally non Arab wonder if you knew that Einstein?
    You know all the people the Arabs have and to this day descriminate against and have cleansed as well?
    Assyrians – Armenians – Kurds – Jews – Anatolian Turks – etc…
    But I bet you and your Arab pals didn’t have much to say about the end of the world when Saddam gassed the Kurds and then moved hundreds of thousands out of Mosul and put in Sunni Arabs in their place in the past 15-20 years… just like you have nothing to say about the hundreds of thousands murdered and millions homeless in Sudan supported by Sunni Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Arab League and China.. that’s an “internal matter” not anything to worry about ‘ don’t look over there look over here.

    And btw, your concern and knowledge about the American Indians is probably something you memorized from a line on a website you meorized yesterday.

    Furthermore, the ‘Holy Land’ not that I’m religious or think that religion is anything but stories from 2-3000 years ago… but Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the Koran which says in a relatively unimportant or key Sura that Mohammed supposedly rose to heaven from the “farthest mosque” and many historians believe the Syrians politically built a mosque on top of the hill decades after Mohammed’s death and named it “Al Asqua” after which it quickly fell out of signifigance again.
    And not to be unfair I don’t believe most of the story of Jesus or Moses either.
    And 1 more thing for you folks when Jesus supposedly died – the place was called Judea – Samaria and the Galilee – in case you didn’t know the word Jew comes from Judea… ie.. Jews come from Judea…

    And now you can actually pretend like you have a fing clue what you’re talking about.
    Regards -
    Mike

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  80. El MECHINA El NEDIFA
    July 20, 2008 at 12:13 am

    Sorry for the profanity mike, but your ghoulishness just blows me away. That is funny how you say that you know the guy who has wrote more on the issue than anyone else. You mean after you that is.

    Try opening an old issue of TIME LIFE MAGAZINE, not that anyone commenter here is mature enough or even old enough to know what TIME LIFE magazine is. But you will find many references in the late 40 TITLED: JEWSISH TERRORISTS STRIKE AGAIN.

    WIKI HAGGANA for fucks sake and get a life.

    ooops i almost forgot, this gets the holocaust survivors award KELBA DOG! “Many Historians believe the Aqsas mosque was built by a bunch of Syrians” Many Historians..no doubt with the last names ending in man & berg hmmm

    So basically back to what I was saying Mr. SECULAR mwhahaha whatever, as if you were a devoted Israeli Jew that would make an ounce of a difference. Israel is neither a religious entity nor a moderate state. it is a nest of scared mice that have developed teeth and an entitlement to do what there piss ass secular homosexual supporting secular government deems fit with its nuclear weapons. Hence Hence making it a hegemony and belligerent nascent state that just festered into the middle east. BOTTOM LIBE D DAY SCENARIO, IRAN IS JUST JELOUS AND WANTS TO GET IN ON THE ACTION.

    I love going to Israel and vandalizing shit every winter.

    Sudan and Saddam have nothing to do with Iranian ISRAELI NUCLEAR D DAY SCENARIOS YOU IMBECILE

    Oh and please save us the history lesson and advice that the Assyrians cleansed, The British cleansed the red Indians etc and it is ok. History will k=just have to step aside and put up with it.

    Other Israeli’s have admitted that what their country does is sad, although necessary for some strange reason that 12 mile Gaza is responsible for so many weapons being smuggled. So imagine a huge West bank border to Patrol. That is the real reason beg=hing Israel never giving it up. To never put itself in a peaceful situation and at the mercy of the enemy. BECAUSE THEY KNOW. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS UNFORGIVABLE AND THEY HAVE CONDEMNED JEWS [for a good reason] beyond any condemnation ever known to them before. So they might as well build settlements and continue to be the no. 1 breaker of UN resolutions in the history of the fucking UN.

    Go masturbate already or find a Russian in Tel Aviva prostitute. I heard they give 49% discount if you are an active duty soldier or have a skull cap.

    Salam

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  81. Howie
    July 20, 2008 at 12:47 am

    TIME LIFE MAGAZINE,

    If it is in Time-Life Magazine…it has to be true…

    Point to the Egyptian side…

    Oh…and I have read similar statements on the Internet…

    If you read it on the Internet…it has to be true

    Two points for the Egyptian side

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  82. Howie
    July 20, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Mike-

    Of course some forms of “terrorism” was carried out by Israel. It was not broad-based at all and generally heavily condemened. But guys like this dude will latch onto stuff like “Lechi” and say…oh yeah…Jewish terrorism…blah blah blah. It is because the part of the debate is so weak. Also then tend to curse and name-call when their points are so thin.

    On the other hand, Palestinians created modern day terrorism…They have used it form the inception of the “troubles”, it is widely supported, even in their own polls, part and parcel of their general policy for achieving their ends, and they celebrate terroristic “successes”…as a general rule…note Sami’s welcome back to Lebanon as a recent case (not Palestinian…but his actions were in support of his brothers).

    Israel has no history of terrorism as a policy nor is it accepted nor is it celebrated by the general public. Guys like this will always jump up and down about the “settlers” yet murderous actions have been almost non-existent.

    Their main argument, over and over again, is the moral equivalence argument, which they will never admit to…That anytime somebody dies or is killed, it is all exactly the same thing.

    It is a tired old debate and you are wasting your breathe.

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  83. CarpetCaptain
    July 20, 2008 at 2:34 am

    Ya Makana Weskha I’m glad you live in that delusion of Egypt doing so well, incase you havent noticed people are dying in the bread lines, over 60% of the population lives in poverty (look at yyou and your nighbours in Boulaq) in a police state.

    There is no such thing as dispropportionate response. If you initiate violence then be prepared for the response. Pearl Harbour=Hiroshima and Nagazaki. I’m sure that Kunat’s new iPhone is on the way :D

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  84. The Egyptian Sandmonkey
    July 20, 2008 at 3:39 am

    If that is the best you guys can do then you are not even worth debating.

    And actually carperBurns it is 70% that lives in poverty ya ibn el sharmouta el weskha yabn el metnaka el zania el coftasia yawlad el habla fakrin nafsokom Amrican ya shwayet 3audm zar2a. Your dreaming of a fucking iphone but folks like egyPter and you can’t fucking afford ones even after licking the flag that hets you cuz your arab even though CoFtics that have been dewormed and taken their booster shots and have even developed a half ass articulation of the English Language. Too bad for you. You can have my old 8Gb for $150 how’s that blue rug Medhat!?

    Aslan enta malak we mal Masr ya cos omac talama enta 3ameli Amricani yabn el shourmouta el weskha!

    Peter, Nony & You go fuck yourselves you slime bag douche sacks of putrid waste and sacriligious dogma. Superior Specimens of larvae ingested by Hitler and sharon’s dog’s.

    And guess what, I aint even mad at you guys. I’m just witnessing Resentment, Self-righteous extraordinaire you fucking degenerate dense fucks. It’s about time someone told you how it is.

    Yalla..Yalla..men hena ya ebnn el buobil wesekh,,,,hhhhsshshhhh!

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  85. The Egyptian Sandmonkey
    July 20, 2008 at 3:45 am

    OM FUCKING….You fucking lying Jewish motherfucker Bedouin piece of shit — ” “settlers” yet murderous actions have been almost non-existent.

    You guys are far far far from disgusting. Stay away from me because if i were in your society I would support the hanging and gassing of such PROFESSIONAL fucking murderous liars.

    STAY AWAY DIP SHIT.

    AS YOU CAN SEE< ANY TIME WE MEET A CARPET< NONY OR EGYPETER here in EGYPT< WE FUCKING KILL HIMA ND HIS KIDS AND DON”T THINK TWICE ABOUT IT AND NO CONSEQUENCES BIOTCH.

    ISNT THAT WHAT YOU PROFESSIONAL LIARS CLAIM. SO THE FUCK OFF!

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  86. Howie
    July 20, 2008 at 3:49 am

    Mike…

    Like I told you…it ultimately sinks to name-calling and swearing…So I ignore most of those guys.
    :)

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  87. The Egyptian Sandmonkey
    July 20, 2008 at 3:58 am

    Israel is armageddon and Iran is jalous and wants to get in on the action!

    Israel is armageddon and Iran is jalous and wants to get in on the action!

    Israel is armageddon and Iran is jalous and wants to get in on the action!

    SO FUCK THEM BOTH

    Israel is armageddon and Iran is jalous and wants to get in on the action!

    Israel is armageddon and Iran is jalous and wants to get in on the action!

    Israel is armageddon and Iran is jalous and wants to get in on the action!

    SO FUCK THEM BOTH

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  88. leo
    July 20, 2008 at 6:02 am

    Howie @ 72,

    It’s great idea. All is left to invite Egyptian to stand on another side and you guys will be able to build peace bridge.

    Of cause most honorable part and bulk of work will fall on our trolling friend here. But I am sure he is willing to play the part to make sure peace can be consummated.

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  89. The Egyptian Sandmonkey
    July 20, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Leo, Vaseline up buddy. YOU’RE GETTING IT IN THE ASS!

    WILL BE MY PLESURE, BUT IT WILL BE YOU SMELLING HEBREWS THAT WILL BE BENDING OVER..

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  90. Suzanne
    July 20, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    @The (fake) Egyptian Sandmonkey: perhaps you can start trying to help building and developing your country instead of spreading filthiness over the internet on this blog.

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  91. Masry anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Stay the fuck out of our affairs Suzy. we all know that Israel has far more gays who would glady bend over.

    Good words sandmonkey!

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  92. Valerie
    July 20, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    (responding to the original post)

    When a people are unable to distinguish victory from defeat, they will leave their biggest failures in power. This is a mistake.

    Poor Lebanon! Poor Iran! May God help their people, for their leaders surely will only bring more disaster upon them.

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  93. Masry anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Precisely Valerie, God be with them…poor fanatical states..
    Poor Lebanon! Poor Iran! POOR ISRAEL! May God help their people, for their leaders surely will only bring more disaster upon them.

    Amen

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  94. Mike Nargizian
    July 21, 2008 at 12:09 am

    Ok ok I’ll waste a few unreturnable minutes of life on this waste of time and space -

    El MECHINA El NEDIFA SAYS

    Sorry for the profanity mike, but your ghoulishness just blows me away. That is funny how you say that you know the guy who has wrote more on the issue than anyone else. You mean after you that is.

    Well no profanity yet… but waiting with eager anticipation….
    If you don’t know the name of the guy you don’t really read much on the topic…

    Try opening an old issue of TIME LIFE MAGAZINE, not that anyone commenter here is mature enough or even old enough to know what TIME LIFE magazine is. But you will find many references in the late 40 TITLED: JEWSISH TERRORISTS STRIKE AGAIN.
    WIKI HAGGANA for fucks sake and get a life.

    You mean Haganah perhaps in hyperventilating you made another spelling error….
    here you can go read and try and learn something…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah

    note after the British opened the gates to Hebron and Jerusalem and allowed the gangs of Arabs to hang, murder and rape the Jews there… is when the really formed a centralized army… prior they were just defending the kibbutzim from Arab attacks in the middle of the night.

    ooops i almost forgot, this gets the holocaust survivors award KELBA DOG! “Many Historians believe the Aqsas mosque was built by a bunch of Syrians” Many Historians..no doubt with the last names ending in man & berg hmmm

    Ahh….. 2 anti-semitic connotations in 1 paragraph…. you couldn’t help yourself….

    Historians critically examine and analyze Biblical stories and find faults with some of them, surely you have seen some of these on Al Jazeera… however when they apply the same critical thought and analysis to Koranic stories well then it must be the Jooooooooos!! lol!!! never fail to meet the lowest possible expectations!! it’s like living in the Dark Ages Europe and trying to discuss gravity and the round world with someone!!

    Just for your own edification (so you don’t look so stupid to someone else the next time you pretend like you have a clue) -
    the historians that wrote about this were some early Muslim historians from the 2nd and 3rd Century.

    So basically back to what I was saying Mr. SECULAR mwhahaha whatever, as if you were a devoted Israeli Jew that would make an ounce of a difference.

    tar and feather attempt…. no doubt some HUGE words of wizzzzdome…. to follow -

    Israel is neither a religious entity nor a moderate state. it is a nest of scared mice that have developed teeth and an entitlement to do what there piss ass secular homosexual supporting secular government deems fit with its nuclear weapons.

    JUST IN CASE ANYONE was taking you seriously….

    Hence Hence making it a hegemony and belligerent nascent state that just festered into the middle east.

    You mean among all those other democratic peace loving nations/tribes/sects in the Middle East?

    BOTTOM LIBE D DAY SCENARIO, IRAN IS JUST JELOUS AND WANTS TO GET IN ON THE ACTION.</blockquote.
    Iran’s bad – they’re Persian… so they must be like the Jooos.. gotchya!!
    maybe the Kurds want in on the action as well thereby?

    I love going to Israel and vandalizing shit every winter.

    And proud of it too… just can’t make these people up!!
    OK and what more can possibly top this?

    Sudan and Saddam have nothing to do with Iranian ISRAELI NUCLEAR D DAY SCENARIOS YOU IMBECILE

    Oh I thought we were measuring tragedy by how many people have been raped, murdered, slaughtered, pushed out of their villages and homes in the past 20 years? OHHHH… now wey’re just talking about Nukes? oh gothya!!

    Oh and please save us the history lesson and advice that the Assyrians cleansed, The British cleansed the red Indians etc and it is ok. History will k=just have to step aside and put up with it.

    Knowledge of the New World 1600-1900 -
    British cleansed the red Indians – lol!!

    Other Israeli’s have admitted that what their country does is sad, although necessary for some strange reason that 12 mile Gaza is responsible for so many weapons being smuggled.

    No, in Israel you can say whatever you like… without having secret police or marauding gangs from the Muslim Brotherhood pay your family a visit at night…. so you hear differing opinions on everything…
    The Arab world doesn’t suffer from this affliction….

    BECAUSE THEY KNOW. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS UNFORGIVABLE AND THEY HAVE CONDEMNED JEWS [for a good reason] beyond any condemnation ever known to them before. So they might as well build settlements and continue to be the no. 1 breaker of UN resolutions in the history of the fucking UN.

    Condemnable? She’s passing out condemnations and morality judgments now.. the vulgar ignorant thieftress?
    Lord knows the Arab world has nothing to be burning in damnation for?
    in the past 20 years? lol!! Sudan – Kurdistan – Northern Syria – Murdering Nuns by rampaging Muslims in Egypt (for a fing play!!)- Murdering Lebanese politicians and newsmen bcs they’re anti Syrian – Saddam – Al Assads – teaching kids to become suicide bombers… etc… etc…
    AND FOR YOUR FINALE -

    Go masturbate already or find a Russian in Tel Aviva prostitute. I heard they give 49% discount if you are an active duty soldier or have a skull cap.</blockquote.
    Soooooo beautifully and elegantly stated!!

    But she finishes with

    Salam

    Just so we all know you’retruly about peace and love. :-))
    LOL!!

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  95. Mike Nargizian
    July 21, 2008 at 12:13 am

    Ok ok I’ll waste a few unreturnable minutes of life on this waste of time and space -

    El MECHINA El NEDIFA SAYS

    Sorry for the profanity mike, but your ghoulishness just blows me away. That is funny how you say that you know the guy who has wrote more on the issue than anyone else. You mean after you that is.

    Well no profanity yet… but waiting with eager anticipation….
    If you don’t know the name of the guy you don’t really read much on the topic…

    Try opening an old issue of TIME LIFE MAGAZINE, not that anyone commenter here is mature enough or even old enough to know what TIME LIFE magazine is. But you will find many references in the late 40 TITLED: JEWSISH TERRORISTS STRIKE AGAIN.
    WIKI HAGGANA for fucks sake and get a life.

    You mean Haganah perhaps in hyperventilating you made another spelling error….
    here you can go read and try and learn something…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah

    note after the British opened the gates to Hebron and Jerusalem and allowed the gangs of Arabs to hang, murder and rape the Jews there… is when the really formed a centralized army… prior they were just defending the kibbutzim from Arab attacks in the middle of the night.

    ooops i almost forgot, this gets the holocaust survivors award KELBA DOG! “Many Historians believe the Aqsas mosque was built by a bunch of Syrians” Many Historians..no doubt with the last names ending in man & berg hmmm

    Ahh….. 2 anti-semitic connotations in 1 paragraph…. you couldn’t help yourself….

    Historians critically examine and analyze Biblical stories and find faults with some of them, surely you have seen some of these on Al Jazeera… however when they apply the same critical thought and analysis to Koranic stories well then it must be the Jooooooooos!! lol!!! never fail to meet the lowest possible expectations!! it’s like living in the Dark Ages Europe and trying to discuss gravity and the round world with someone!!

    Just for your own edification (so you don’t look so stupid to someone else the next time you pretend like you have a clue) -
    the historians that wrote about this were some early Muslim historians from the 2nd and 3rd Century.

    So basically back to what I was saying Mr. SECULAR mwhahaha whatever, as if you were a devoted Israeli Jew that would make an ounce of a difference.

    tar and feather attempt…. no doubt some HUGE words of wizzzzdome…. to follow -

    Israel is neither a religious entity nor a moderate state. it is a nest of scared mice that have developed teeth and an entitlement to do what there piss ass secular homosexual supporting secular government deems fit with its nuclear weapons.

    JUST IN CASE ANYONE was taking you seriously….

    Hence Hence making it a hegemony and belligerent nascent state that just festered into the middle east.

    You mean among all those other democratic peace loving nations/tribes/sects in the Middle East?

    BOTTOM LIBE D DAY SCENARIO, IRAN IS JUST JELOUS AND WANTS TO GET IN ON THE ACTION.

    Iran’s bad – they’re Persian… so they must be like the Jooos.. gotchya!!
    maybe the Kurds want in on the action as well thereby?

    I love going to Israel and vandalizing shit every winter.

    And proud of it too… just can’t make these people up!!
    OK and what more can possibly top this?

    Sudan and Saddam have nothing to do with Iranian ISRAELI NUCLEAR D DAY SCENARIOS YOU IMBECILE

    Oh I thought we were measuring tragedy by how many people have been raped, murdered, slaughtered, pushed out of their villages and homes in the past 20 years? OHHHH… now wey’re just talking about Nukes? oh gothya!!

    Oh and please save us the history lesson and advice that the Assyrians cleansed, The British cleansed the red Indians etc and it is ok. History will k=just have to step aside and put up with it.

    Knowledge of the New World 1600-1900 -
    British cleansed the red Indians – lol!!

    Other Israeli’s have admitted that what their country does is sad, although necessary for some strange reason that 12 mile Gaza is responsible for so many weapons being smuggled.

    No, in Israel you can say whatever you like… without having secret police or marauding gangs from the Muslim Brotherhood pay your family a visit at night…. so you hear differing opinions on everything…
    The Arab world doesn’t suffer from this affliction….

    BECAUSE THEY KNOW. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS UNFORGIVABLE AND THEY HAVE CONDEMNED JEWS [for a good reason] beyond any condemnation ever known to them before. So they might as well build settlements and continue to be the no. 1 breaker of UN resolutions in the history of the fucking UN.

    Condemnable? She’s passing out condemnations and morality judgments now.. the vulgar ignorant thieftress?
    Lord knows the Arab world has nothing to be burning in damnation for?
    in the past 20 years? lol!! Sudan – Kurdistan – Northern Syria – Murdering Nuns by rampaging Muslims in Egypt (for a fing play!!)- Murdering Lebanese politicians and newsmen bcs they’re anti Syrian – Saddam – Al Assads – teaching kids to become suicide bombers… etc… etc…
    AND FOR YOUR FINALE -

    Go masturbate already or find a Russian in Tel Aviva prostitute. I heard they give 49% discount if you are an active duty soldier or have a skull cap.

    Soooooo beautifully and elegantly stated!!

    But she finishes with

    Salam

    Just so we all know you’re trulyabout peace and love. :-))
    LOL!!

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  96. Masry anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 12:19 am

    AH HA HA HA — I stopped reading after this — note after the British opened the gates to Hebron and Jerusalem and allowed the gangs of Arabs to hang, murder and rape the Jews there… is when the really formed a centralized army… prior they were just defending the kibbutzim from Arab attacks in the middle of the night.

    AH HA HA HA…You murderous FUCK. I SERIOUSLY AM STARTING TO BELIEVE THAT A LARGE NUMBER OF YOU PUTRID HEBREW APARTHEID WAR MONGORS ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS GULL TO BE TRUE!

    MWHA HA HA HA

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  97. Mike Nargizian
    July 21, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Sam need a preview button…

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  98. Mike Nargizian
    July 21, 2008 at 12:30 am

    Egyptian Sandmonkey can’t spell either and repeats himself over and over 10x just so we all can see his embarrassing ignorance.

    Howie – no need for an education on Israeli history… read all about it.

    Btw – did someone actually say “if Kuntar is a child killer”… the guy bragged about murdering a 6 year old girl in front of her father first before he killed the father… and they found brain dna on the but of his rifle…
    This is who the Arab world celebrates the release of with parades, flowers etc….NOTHING MORE NEEDED TO BE SAID!

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  99. Mike Nargizian
    July 21, 2008 at 12:52 am

    Masry anonymASS

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  100. Mike Nargizian
    July 21, 2008 at 12:54 am

    Masry anonymASS – the story about the murders in Hebron and Jerusalem are a fact.. and the rest you can go read at the Wikipedia entry for Haganah that El MECHINA El NEDIFA pointed out to me…..
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah

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  101. Masry anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 4:18 am

    The only fact is that the crack in your ass leaves skid marks all over your Victoria Secret drawers you transvestite cross dresser.

    You are speaking to an Arab you dumb fuck. Your poor excuse for your people kill Arabs on a daily basis. they killed Jesus, they have been hated so many times thru out history. Why oh why? Because they have bad breathe, come on. The reason is far more diabolical than that.

    Educate me, what is your desperate opinion why Jews have always been hated — a large segment of them anyways — all through out history.

    Could it be that they have this thing for twisting the hell out of the fucking truth and see it as a religious duty to do so or some crazy ethic like that in return for supremacy and rich harvests and material gain, hence a deserving booty for the “”quote a 1000 times”” the so called chosen people?

    Go for it dick breathe, give it your best shot snot knots

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  102. Mike Nargizian
    July 21, 2008 at 4:28 am

    Hey Masry I know you said something… but couldn’t quite make it out… go take a double dose of your meds… and in a week or two when you’re back out drop me a line… freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek…
    lol….

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  103. Craig
    July 21, 2008 at 5:02 am

    You are speaking to an Arab you dumb fuck. Your poor excuse for your people kill Arabs on a daily basis. they killed Jesus, they have been hated so many times thru out history

    Al Masry, Muslims don’t believe that. You are an Arab Christian? Then what’s up with all that stuff about Copts? Are you that sick?

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  104. Mike Nargizian
    July 21, 2008 at 5:14 am

    Craig -
    Projection he’s slipping into his Victoria Secrets right now… you’re actually trying to talk logically to him… let a dog lie..

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  105. Mo-ha-med
    July 21, 2008 at 10:57 am

    The Kuntar story is despicable in every possible aspect.
    However what I also find despicable is attempts to absolve Israel from its responsibility in the 2006 war.
    Seriously? How can anyone do such thing with a straight face? You can always argue who provoked whom first but to be so pro-Israeli that you simply refuse to acknowledge that Israel flattened South Lebanon and wide segments of Beirut for no valid reason is a criminal act that should be pointed out, is just being either blind or childish.

    And can those people who are quoting, re-quoting, triple-quoting each other’s every word get it over with their anger feuds? Go punch a pillow or something. Adults are trying to a conversation here.

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  106. Jack
    July 21, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Eventually Islamo-fascist terrorists will do something so horrific that the west will simply get tired and put a stop to all of them. No more PC, no more cultural relativism, no more Islamophobia. Unfortunately, many who post on this site will get caught in the middle.

    And I think that the Israelis flattened Beirut because that was where Hesb Allah was staying.

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  107. Howie
    July 21, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Mo

    “refuse to acknowledge that Israel flattened South Lebanon and wide segments of Beirut for no valid reason”

    Why would you say “no valid reason”?

    Are you going with the…what do they call it…”dispporotionate response” or whatever? It is an aruguement that just grasps for something to criticize, but makes no sense.

    Israel is a tiny country. Do you really think that can afford a protracted tit-for-tat series of battles with Lebanon and Syria along with on-going terrorism and the ever present potential of governmental change in places like Jordan and/or Egypt etc? Israel has to make a clear statement…don’t fuck with us. Nashrallah did…and he imbeds his fighters, on purpose, among civilian populations because he knows Israel will tend to avoid civilian casualities if possible and also he knows he can play the victim card when they do…It is a formula terrorists have long been using.

    I could ask another question…What the FUCK was Nashrallah doing kidnapping those guys in the first place…Israel had left Lebanon…but we know the answer…he is Iran and Syria’s bitch…and yes…I put ALL the responsibility for that terrible conflict squarely on his shoulders. He was going to show-off and be the big hero. Like he cares about Palestinians? Where was he when the Lebanese Army was beating the crap out of the Palestinians about 18 months ago or so?

    So if you pick a fight by spitting in somebody’s eye…sorry…all bets are off and if you get a knife in your stomach…then tough…and if somebody in the crowd breaks a leg as you fall to the ground…that too is your responsibility.

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  108. Howie
    July 21, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Mo

    And yes…there are plenty of folks here that deteriorate into utter stupidity…I never respond to them…Little a bratty child…I ignore.

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  109. Howie
    July 21, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    By the way…I know people from Beruit…does sound to me like it was “flattened”…I think the Lebanese themselves say about 1,400 people died. What is the population of Beruit…like one million. Come on guys…

    And what about random rockets falling in various neighborhoods in Israel that had no military significance at all? Here in the United States…if some moron country did that to us, we WOULD flatten them and will very good reason.

    Do launch missles, don’t kidnap soldiers, don’t let human shit like Sami to live in your country and sneak across the border and smash little kids heads in with his rifle butt and nobody is going to bomb you.

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  110. Israeli anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    Exactly! Thank You!

    Isreal must make a point! Don’t Fuck with us or else, that is precisely why we act like your typical rabid dog!. Drasticness calls for more drastic measures, and since Iran is a radical state, so we the Israeli’s are more radical and more God forsaken crazy than anyone else. Why do we act that way, why do have segregated everything but refuse to call it apartheid, why do we say we avoid casualties just because it is the wisest thing to do? Because we can and we felt like it and our neighbors are pretty fucked up from all their years of colonialism and can’t really do fuck all about it!.

    That’s why the worlds balls tickle when they even hear a prickel of the word Holy (lol) Land or chosen people. As if God is such big jack ass to condone such failure or else the so called chosen children have totally lost their way!

    Other countries have been invaded throughout history and we as Jews have been persecuted so I guess we deserve a place where we can call home while the rest of us are out there trying to control the world with our superior work ethic. Therefore the world will allow it.

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  111. Israeli anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    That’s why anti Semites balls tickle them every time they here the world chosen people or children of Israel. As if God is that stupid to chose such a bunch of rejects unless they have totally gone astray.

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  112. Mohamed
    July 21, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Mike,
    I’ve noticed that ever since I taught you how to use the word “projection” in a sentence, when you humiliated and made a complete idiot of yourself when commenting on George Carlin’s death, you’ve been using it quiet liberally, at least you’re learning something.

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  113. Craig
    July 21, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    SM, you really have to figure out some way to deal with these losers commenting under dozens of different handles…

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  114. Ohio
    July 21, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Why you blame Israel for using whatever mean to establish prosporus homeland for its people. Didn’t Islamic Arab use that logic to invade Egypt and turn its People to become “Muslims”. Or that was done freely?. Egyptian were ignorant and got what they desrve. Now it’s Israel turn. And to show how ignorant people in Egypt and the Arab ME they claim because Israel has Nuclear Weapons. Please tell me if they use them against any neighbour country isn’t that similar to use them against themselves? or the nuclear fall-out will distinguish?? Same logic apply to so called intelligent Iran?. The scariest thing for Israel is Knowledgible smart developped neighbours. not loud mouth ignorant students of Hollywood .

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  115. Billy
    July 21, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    RE: The title of your post

    Israel was planning the 2006 attack REGARDLESS.

    Prisoner-soldier swaps are commonplace.

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  116. Craig
    July 21, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Prisoner-soldier swaps are commonplace.

    No they aren’t. Not when a foreign power takes hostages and uses them to demand you release criminals. That’s called terrorism.

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  117. Mike Nargizian
    July 22, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Mohammed

    I’ve noticed that ever since I taught you how to use the word “projection” in a sentence, when you humiliated and made a complete idiot of yourself when commenting on George Carlin’s death, you’ve been using it quiet liberally, at least you’re learning something.

    To be completely frank -
    a) don’t ever remember you using the word projection
    b) definitely didn’t need anyone to teach me the meaning of it
    c) don’t ever remember making a so-called “complete idiot” of myself in that thread. I thought Carlin was Jewish he was devoutly atheist it turned out… everything else I was correct about…
    d) despite your saracasm – I always try to learn something… anyone who says they can’t learn something is a lot stupider than anyone they think they’re trying to show they’re smarter than… and in this comments section that’s pretty freekin stupid….

    RE: ARAB ISRAELI PRISONER SWAPS

    Hezbollah kidnaps two solders guarding in Israel.
    Israel trades a live-well fed-fat-well educated in prison unrepentent CHILD BLUDGENOR for the dead mutilated bodies of two young soliders….
    Arabs in Lebanon celebrate with flowers, parades and hero worship….

    That says a fucking shit load about israel and the Arab world… NO COMMENT NECESSARY…. NUFF SAID.

    Mike

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  118. CarpetCaptain
    July 22, 2008 at 12:14 am

    “Prisoner-soldier swaps are commonplace.”

    This happens when tw States end hostilities. When a piece of shit terrorist group does it its caled terrorism. You have to remember Kuntar wasn’t fighting Israeli soldiers he smashed an infant’s head against a rock or with the gun butt (depending on which account). Israel should’ve executed that piece of subhuman garbage.

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  119. Mike Nargizian
    July 22, 2008 at 12:20 am

    2006 attack was planned anyway -

    First -
    Whether or not they were there was a big problem… Hezbollah was itching for a war.. they were right on the border with weapons and armed to the teeth… that is a threat to israel… so yes in that vein a war was unfortunately inevitable… However, Israel didn’t really want the war which is evidenced by the way they fought it… Sharon would have never fought the war like that… they tried to fight it like we did in Afghanistan and Iraq at first… from the air… you don’t win wars from the air you win them on the ground period…
    so Israel tried to tippy toe around it and accomplished little but did move Hezbollah up off the border for now.

    Second -
    No matter what Israel does the world media is always going to bash them… the Arab strategy of sending missiles/rockets from houses, churches and hospitals or orphages etc… will always win them out… the media will always publicize their propoganda and even if they catch it months or years later (Al Durrah) (Hezbollah photoshops) it won’t matter…
    Thus – Israel is forced to fight a war with 2 hands tied behind its back and fight a war they don’t want to fight…

    Third -
    Israel perhaps fought the war strategically and logically supidly… and no doubt there are Lebanese that hate Israel (non Hezbollah) bcs of it… but guess what if you’re Lebanese Israel is NOT your problem the fucking Hezbollah funded monster IS… and they ain’t goin ANYWHERE……
    Fourth -
    What Israel should have done is bomb Damascus where all of the directions, funding, supplies and orders were coming from… However, Syria and Iran knew that they couldn’t do that with the UN and EU they have under their thumb… not to mention the world media.

    Kind of ironic that the Arab world says that Joooos run the media when the entire media establishment for the most part particularly in reporting from Israel and in general is in the Arab world’s palm…. and that doesn’t even mention the power of Al Jazeera, and the rest of the Muslim Brotherhood satellite channels.

    Mike

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  120. anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 12:32 am

    It is just abominable how one can even talk about Israel being anything close to sane, that is so satirical when they are making a blood based zion, built on suffering abd occupation of a land they know they are not supposed to rule as a tyranny.

    When Kunt face Kuntar slams a child against a wall it is deemed evil. But when Israel supposedly mistaken kills children it is ehm….what was the score of the football game again?

    Israel worships its soldiers of death, that is far worse than a resistance fighter like Kuntar being worshipped by a bunch of rag tag rag heads that showed they are as tough as nails and the entire rage of the holocaust couldnt stop them.

    NUFF SAID INDEED!

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  121. Save_the_Jews
    July 22, 2008 at 12:35 am

    I am still waiting for anyone to politely address the question..why have Jews been so hated throughout history? otherwise one is only left to believe the following comment.”

    Isreal must make a point! Don’t Fuck with us or else, that is precisely why we act like your typical rabid dog!. Drasticness calls for more drastic measures, and since Iran is a radical state, so we the Israeli’s are more radical and more God forsaken crazy than anyone else. Why do we act that way, why do have segregated everything but refuse to call it apartheid, why do we say we avoid casualties just because it is the wisest thing to do? Because we can and we felt like it and our neighbors are pretty fucked up from all their years of colonialism and can’t really do fuck all about it!.

    Other countries have been invaded throughout history and we as Jews have been persecuted so I guess we deserve a place where we can call home while the rest of us are out there trying to control the world with our superior work ethic. Therefore the world will allow it.

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  122. Mike Nargizian
    July 22, 2008 at 1:40 am

    Why are comments like that always made by some “anonymous”… come on grow some balls or at least a half a brain – which your comment would indicate you don’t have – and make up a name.

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  123. CarpetCaptain
    July 22, 2008 at 1:44 am

    Mike its the same fucking resident troll.

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  124. Save the Arab
    July 22, 2008 at 2:33 am

    I am still waiting for anyone to politely address the question..why are almost all terroists Arabs? If Jihad supposedly means peace and not sword – then how was Islam spread from the tiny peninsula all throughout the African, European and Asian continents? otherwise I am left to think I as fucking stupid as the resident troll here?

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  125. Save_the_Jews
    July 22, 2008 at 2:49 am

    Ha ha ha ha, aaaa haaa haaa haaa haaa.

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  126. Save_the_Jews
    July 22, 2008 at 2:57 am

    I am glad to see that people have started stooping so low and started using guerrilla tactics [sock puppets] by changing their name.

    Resident — means — I therefore can not be a troll. Mike a so called elite Jew copied the term from CarpetCaptain whose weak command of English leaves little to be desired. “Resident” is contrary to the def of troll. Maybe I am integrating now in Sandmonkey land just like the immigrant carpetcaptain himself and all of Israeli’s are immigrants too, none the less. What next, will you call me your arch foe? Welcome me into your world, you can build a wall and segregate me from the good roads anf then claim here and on CNN that you are a fair country with democracy-mwaha ha in the Middle East.

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  127. Save_the_Jews
    July 22, 2008 at 3:01 am

    If I make your lives one % less comfortable than I am doing my job 100%. Beats cracking skulls. I will be here for a very very long time. recruiting lots of facebookers and deadbeats like yourselves to spawn onto this ridiculous site.

    Sandmonkey, watch each comment section reach multiple hundreds easy!

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  128. ohi
    July 22, 2008 at 3:06 am

    Again I repeat if Arabs looked up more towards education, culture, technology, science than to sword and empty empty words, they will amass the biggest challenge to Israel. But it is an empty dream. Just to emphasize my point of view, today the news from Abu Dubai, a one Arab Dubai Citizen paid $14 (millions) to purchase a car license plate with only “1″ on it !!! that is real progress!! that is solid Islam !!!, when you will wake up people????

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  129. CarpetCaptain
    July 22, 2008 at 3:53 am

    “all of Israeli’s are immigrants too, none the less”

    Whose weak command of the English language? Sounds like Al Azhar English to me. Having said that you’re only supposed to learn how to be a terrorist there so why should you know about anything else.

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  130. Mo-ha-med
    July 22, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Howie — making a “Don’t fuck with us” point, while I see why you believe is necessary, does not justify murdering 1300 people. It just does not, my friend.

    I went to South Beirut and southern Lebanon nearly 6 months after the way (and blogged about it, at the time). And whole blocks were obliterated. So, fine. Not all of Beirut was flattered but various wide areas in its southern neighbourhoods were, if it is accuracy you seek. And it is a horrendous thing to see.
    And it is NOT justifiable.
    And when YOU decide to blow away a whole block in a residential area in the matter of seconds, and you’re convincing yourself that what you’re doing is because someone – whom you know will NOT be among the list of your casualties today – committed a crime against you, and you’re trying to give yourself a clear conscience that you’re killing those people to send a message – that is despicable, Howie, and unjustifiable.

    Israeli anonymous chose interesting terms to describe his own country’s behaviour: “rabid dog”. I personally wouldn’t have chosen the same terms, out of civility, but let me use them here: well, sir, if you claim to be a civilized, democratic nation governed by the rule of law, then you CANNOT behave like a rabid dog. It’s one or the other. Obviously, you chose the other. You would do us all good to start by acknowledging that.

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  131. The Raccoon
    July 22, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Don’t feed the trolls.

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  132. Mo-ha-med
    July 22, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    CarpetCaptain — YOU don’t get to diss Azhar. You just don’t, son.

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  133. The Raccoon
    July 22, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Mo -

    In war you seek to destroy the enemy. Israel went to extreme lengths to be civil and gentle and humane, despite being attacked once again by a genocidal, implacable and utterly brainwashed enemy.

    As I said above, Lebanon could and probably should have been destroyed. Civilized countries have the right – nay, the obligation – to protect themselves from all enemies, including the genocide-seeking, megalomaniac theocratic barbarians called Hizballah (now also known as Lebanon).

    Your inability to reach these conclusions is… as touching as “CRUSH THE EVIL ZIONISTS” ads on your blog.

    Keep on trying. You’ll never succeed in finishing us off. We were here before our enemies… and we’ll stay here long after our enemies are dust. Even if we have to help them on the way to dusthood.

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  134. Mo-ha-med
    July 22, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Raccoon,
    The 2006 war wasn’t for ‘protection’. And all the dead civilians, mostly from impoverished neighbourhoods and many of whom had nowhere but their homes to shelter during the war, would tell you that.
    I will not debate you regarding the purposes of a war – ‘destroying the enemy’ or ‘destroying the enemy’s attack capabilities’.
    However, I will refer you to the laws of war, to the Geneva conventions, to every other document that governs the behaviour of civilised nations in armed conflicts. Now, do you think that Israel abided by these rules?

    Hezbo fought a guerilla (sp?) war, which by definition does not involve full frontal confrontation. That this be an excuse for leading a war against a country, its civilian population, and its social infrastructure is in breach of these rules of war.
    You make the mistake of equating Hezbollah with Lebanon. Again. They were never the same thing, and will never be.
    Your inability to comprehend this is as touching as…. actually, it’s not touching. It’s sad.

    And If my little boycott banner you that much, you can just say so :)

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  135. Mo-ha-med
    July 22, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    that was.. “….. bothered you that much, you can just say so :)

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  136. Roman Kalik
    July 22, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Mo-ha-med,

    In Beirut, the specific target of the IAF was the Dahieh, a Hezb-ruled neighborhood which was the nerve-center of the party. The HQ was in Dahieh – Al-Manar was in Dahieh. Hassan Nasrallah’s house was in Dahieh. *bunkers* were *under* the Dahieh, in total violation of anything resembling Lebanese sovereignty, separation of civilian and military infrastructure, and plain human decency. Or the similar bunker complex under Rweiss…

    You wonder at Israelis targeting Beirut’s apartment buildings? I wonder at what military infrastructure was doing under them.

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  137. Mo-ha-med
    July 22, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Roman — indeed, the strikes were primarily in Al-Dahieh al-janubeyya — the neighbourhood in the south of the city. Correct, it is the Hezbo stronghold.

    It is also home to lots and lots of people, people who don’t give a damn about politics, and with a very high population density.

    But you make it sound as if the Dahieh was like, you know, in the old James Bond films, when the headquarter of Dr. No (or someone!:)) would be hidden inside a mountain, and the mountaintop would open up to reveal 200 fighter jets and nuclear missile platform!!

    And every single bridge from Beirut to the southern border that was bombed — military infrastructure underneath, too?
    Water and sewage treatment plants — what, were they concealing an underwater bunker?

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  138. Howie
    July 22, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Mo

    “does not justify murdering 1300 people”

    They always slide on down to the relativism argument…Murder? Interesting…

    Israel attacked Lebanon because she was attacked and her response was mostly well measured.

    Hiz.’s response was almost entirely directed at civilian populations…then even tried to send a drone into Tel Aviv…

    It is not the same thing Mo…but since it is the only argument you have…of course you and those like you will continue to beat that drum…

    Arab policy in general in war has included a good deal of terror…and this includes your many wars with each other. I can’t help but think of Saddam randomly firing Scuds into Teheran neighborhoods…or Saddam randomly firing Scuds into Israel after being attacked by coalition forces that did not include Israel…

    Entertaining…disgusting…but entertaining.

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  139. Roman Kalik
    July 22, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Mo-ha-med,

    No, it wasn’t a James Bond flick, and nothing resembling one. What it was is civilian neighborhoods, with just “average poor joe” living in them as you accurately describe. And yet the fact remains that those very civilian neighborhoods became Hezbollah’s Beirut regional HQ, along with bunkers actively dug and built, crisscrossing them, all to house Hezbollah’s arms and important personnel.

    Was it the infrastructure of a conventional and official state army? No, it was the infrastructure of a paramilitary militia that relies on a decentralized infrastructure. That doesn’t make it any less a valid military target, as well as being deliberately constructed in an urban civilian area to mask it, deter Israeli offensives with human shields (to whit, an entire quarter of Beirut), and to be “close to The People”. And in a war, military infrastructure gets targeted, particularly central command complexes – which was Hezb’s assets in Beirut were.

    As for bridges, are you familiar with the term “civilian infrastructure used for military purposes”? That covers roads and bridges, among other things, if and when used to transport armed men and military hardware to the front. That, as you may expect, is exactly what Hezb did – they used what was at hand, and that could be converted to serve their purposes. What the IAF did is cut off enemy supply lines. That’s the same reason for the IAF’s bombing of the roads leading from Syria – Hezb’s main source and/or transition point for arms and more advanced military hardware.

    As for sewage treatment plants and the like, what can I say? IAF pilots aren’t perfect. Neither are the bombs. Or the intel, for that matter. Or the air mission coordination when you have over a hundred planes up at any given moment. Shit happens – and in wars, it’s well known that when shit happens, the consequences are major and often lethal, with the armaments involved.

    But what did you expect, Mo? Kid gloves? Another case of “let it slide”, or some tiny operation against a Hezbollah border installation, to get some bargaining chips for yet another deal? Or a complaint to the joke that is the UN, or the much greater joke that calls itself the Lebanese government? Poke a nation long enough, and often enough, and the military option to end the years-long cross-border bombings and raids becomes the most appealing and viable one to end the clear and present threat.

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  140. Howie
    July 22, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    RK-

    Trust me…the responses with come in three forms:

    1. Relativism

    2. Cursing and name-callling

    3. Asymmectrical response…which is my favorite I think

    What you won’t hear is…”geez, maybe Nashrallah and his supporters are primarily resposible for this mess…just another swim in that famous Egyptian river.

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  141. Obama-08
    July 22, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Mohamed, Mohamed, Mohamed what are we gonna do with you?

    Can’t you see the the signs..DON”T FEED THE TROLLS. These parties you are addressing are real live shitting breathing Zionists Trolls that you are indulging.

    Living, breathing, defaming, defacing, murderous TROLLS!

    If you have any sense or any faith what so ever, you would know that your attempts are futile. They are an important part of the worlds natural and spiritual echo system. A group of highly intelligible beings stricken with the disease of shear hubris and entitlement and sense that it is OK to commit usury against non Jews. To kill and murder and believe that they will absolutely be glorified by God for doing so. yet they have the gull to condemn an entire race and religion for the actions of a smaller segment of that race and religion, yet they talk about persecution.

    I thought you are Muslim, so surely you know that God created all things in this universe, evil included and didn’t HE indeed say. Let the Jews and Christians live in peace but if they transgress their bounds, then do NOT befriend them and smite them down, and went so far as saying that even the trees of the earth would tell the oppressed believers [Christians, Jews, Muslims, who have accepted that God can only be one] “Kill the Jew hiding behind the tree BEFORE he tries to kill you.”

    You can try and play Anwar Sadat, Ahmad Aboul Gheit, Omar Soliman all you want with them, but you fail to see that they do it to stop civilizations from colliding, and in the end you are just in — at best — an insecure fantasy land, you are just feeding the TROLLS!

    They will retort by saying see the dirty Islamic racist antisemitic mentality of this Obama-08 character who is no doubt (notice the label) Muslim piece of shit (there goes the generalizing again). And by a good chance you will probably try and distance yourself from anything that disturbs them and try to appease them in order to prove your diplomatic prowess.

    Meanwhile if you were in Occupied Palestinian right now, they would afford you no such courtesy, you would be travelling on other roads besides those reserved by and for the apartheid occupiers.

    South Africa got theirs, Occupied Palestine will get theirs too one day.

    Let them build it for the occupied Arabs into a beautiful Sodom & gomorrah [Yes occupied Palestine allows sodomy by law and gay rights] then have to hand it over just like South Africa did.

    OPEN & SHUT CASE

    NUFF SAID!

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  142. Obama-08
    July 22, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    الْمُنْكَرِ وَتُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ ۗ وَلَوْ آمَنَ أَهْلُ الْكِتَابِ لَكَانَ خَيْرًا لَهُمْ ۚ مِنْهُمُ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ وَأَكْثَرُهُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ (١١٠)
    آل عمران
    (110) Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted

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  143. Obama-08
    July 22, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    كُنْتُمْ خَيْرَ أُمَّةٍ أُخْرِجَتْ لِلنَّاسِ تَأْمُرُونَ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَتَنْهَوْنَ عَنِ الْمُنْكَرِ وَتُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ ۗ وَلَوْ آمَنَ أَهْلُ الْكِتَابِ لَكَانَ خَيْرًا لَهُمْ ۚ مِنْهُمُ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ وَأَكْثَرُهُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ (١١٠)
    آل عمران

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  144. Mike Nargiziain
    July 22, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    The troll is adopting my language NUFF SAID assuming that is the same troll from up above?
    Mohammed -
    a) there is footage from the war of people coming out of their houses loading up rockets on to their truck shooting them and then parking the truck back in the garage.
    b) Yes Hezbollah built their military intelligence headquarters under a hospital and that nerve center was unpenetrable…. Israel ended out not bombing it anyway.
    c) Hezbollah claimed that Israel bombed a building with only women and orphans… after Israel dropped pamphlets beforehand telling the civilians to all get out… and it turned out the building was a military Hezbollah stronghold and there were no orphans or civilians… but there were numerous reports of Hezbollah bringing in dead bodies and putting them within the rubble.
    d) There were NUMEROUS photoshops that were proven dolls and the like put among the rubble and then showed to foreign reporters that were exposed fakes… a perfect pristine doll among blown away rubble.
    e) Hezbollah will stoop to any level for PR… so no you can’t believe a fing thing they say.
    f) They have adopted and taken to another level the Yasser Arafat pr techniques learned from the Vietcong on how to use the media…
    g) Hezbollah purposefully shot rockets into civilian areas in Israel… whether or not all the rockets caused deaths is insignificant its the point…
    unless you don’t mind if I get to shoot rockets at your house just missing and nailing your house occassionally with your family inside… and I shoot them from the local church you bes not shoot back bcs I gots the dumb fucking media on call waiting with cameras….

    Finally, what you didn’t state was that there were plently of Lebanese who won’t say it on camera but were glad Hezbollah got a beat down from Israel bcs they’re destroying their country… and there were plenty of Xtian neighborhoods in Beirut where the people were tanning by the pool while the war was going on.

    Mike

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  145. Howie
    July 22, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    O’bama

    And the Torah said of the son’s of Ishamel:

    “They too will be a great nation, but will act like wild jackasses in the desert”

    So what is your point Obama?

    Oh…let me be cool and right some foreign language shit too;

    ni sin jin bin…ni wha wha jung jie

    Obama…that sounds like an Irish name? O’bama…hmmm

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  146. Mike Nargiziain
    July 22, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    This argument will go on EVERY SINGLE time Israel is engaged in a war… every time Hezbollah will lie, photoshop, bring in dead bodies, lie to the media, shoot rockets at civilians in Israel from civilian areas in Lebanon, build their military intelligence and infrastructure under hospitals or schools, try and provoke Israel, claim victory no matter what (not that anyone gives a shit), cry for the UN and EU to come and save them from the big bad Israelis while claiming victory on the battlefield while accusing Israel of only firing at civilian areas (something Hezbollah puposefully does)… and ON AND ON AND ON…

    And then we’ll get all the freeeeeeeks out claiming the Israelis are trying to exterminate the babies and civilians…. the big bad Israelis… then in the next sentence dance and pass out candy about how the Israelis were defeated… then in the next sentence wail about the Israeli invaders ON AND ON AND ON….

    Everyone knows the only interest Israel has in Lebanon is a quiet Northern border… if the Lebanese want to mutually benefit and trade then that’s a plus… if not no big deal… Hezbollah’s interests are military, fascist, expansive and war like.. they’re an armed tiger that wants to fight with someone….. and now they’re big excuse is the crappy rocky shit hole called Shebba Farms which is Syria’s anyway (though that’s their boss anyway)

    IT ALL GETS REPETITIVE AFTER ONLY A SHORT WHILE…..

    THE BOTTOM LINE – ISRAEL COULD NEVVVVVVVVVVER NO MATTER WHAT WIN IN A WAR WITH HEZBOLLAH YOU’D ALWAYS FIND SOMETHING TO MAKE GRANDIOSE MORAL STATEMENTS – THOSE ARE THE RULES NOW WHEN FIGHTING AN ARAB ISRLAMIC FOE…..

    The only problem is the same lies apply when the Islamic World is fighting amongs themselves… among sects, tribes, relisigious sects, political etc…..

    The 1 Utopian Chaudenfraude would be a new renewable energy source and the price/barrel drops to $9 and then a higher power lifets Israel up and places it as an island in the Mediterranean… AND THEN THE ARABS WOULD IMPLODE IN THEIR OWN WORLD AND NOONE WOULD CARE JUST AS THE ARABS ARE MURDERING THE SUDANESE RIGHT NOW AND NOONE SEEMS TO GIVE A SHIT OR DOES A DAM THING…. then the Arab world would be begging us to help…

    Mike

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  147. Mike Nargiziain
    July 22, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    THAT’S WHY IRAN WANTS NUKES… bcs they know eventually their gov’t will fall just like the Shah did… they will to – but with nukes and the claim of “fighting the Zionists!~!!@@$#@” – they can try and sustain their corrupt-Dark Ages Islamistocracy…..

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  148. Obama-08
    July 22, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    See what I mean Mr. Mohamed, the reclusive but undisputable evidence that God was right….DID YOU ACTUALL READ this charcter Mike’s claims…

    LOL..

    c) Hezbollah claimed that Israel bombed a building with only women and orphans… after Israel dropped pamphlets beforehand telling the civilians to all get out… and it turned out the building was a military Hezbollah stronghold and there were no orphans or civilians… but there were numerous reports of Hezbollah bringing in dead bodies and putting them within the rubble.
    d) There were NUMEROUS photoshops that were proven dolls and the like put among the rubble and then showed to foreign reporters that were exposed fakes… a perfect pristine doll among blown away rubble.

    Anyways Mohamed I am already betting that you will still continue to debate with these degegenerates and act like anyone who tells it like it is, is something you want no part of…..!

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  149. Obama-08
    July 22, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Again the occupiers of palistine will always bring up Darfur or Kuala Lampur or some other arab, Muslim related regime to try and justify the theft and aprtheid.

    South Africa got theirs, Occupied Palestine will get theirs too one day.

    Let them build it for the occupied Arabs into a beautiful Sodom & gomorrah [Yes occupied Palestine allows sodomy by law and gay rights] then have to hand it over just like South Africa did.

    OPEN & SHUT CASE

    NUFF SAID!

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  150. Mike Nargiziain
    July 22, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Obama 08 – Anonymass or Save the Jews —- whatever fake you made up today -
    The deal was you take a double dose of your meds and then after a week you could come out of your basement.

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  151. Save the Arabs
    July 23, 2008 at 12:08 am

    Obama 08 -
    You are a Kuffar an embarrassment to the Arab race!! You kuffar you quote a Zionist Jew website… don’t you know they are related to the Crusaders and fellow Jews at Bnai Brith… this only shows the Kuffars can be humane and makes the Arab look bad you kuffar!!! we would mutiliate the Jew and send him home in pieces!! You dumb Kuffar!! you need to show the criminial zionists from reliable Arab sources like Al Manar and Al Jazeera – real reporters from the Arab and Muslim Brotherhood!! You Kuffar I will beat you with my shoe if I find you!!@#

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  152. Obama-08
    July 23, 2008 at 12:30 am

    OH YA, BRING IT DON”T SING IT!

    You are no match sir, I hold a PHD.

    You want reliable sources then take this and don’t make threats.

    TRY AND BE A LITTLE MORE CIVILIZED.

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1000976.html

    Is the renowned Israel Haaretz reliable enough for you?

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  153. Save_the_Arab
    July 23, 2008 at 12:33 am

    Obama 08 -
    You kuffar Jew – you quote another Jew source… don’t you know you Kuffar only reliable sources are Arab Muslim sources, Inshallah!!!
    I find you I beat you with the sole of my sandal!!
    YOU KUFFAR JEW YOU…. I find you and then Sandmonkey he a bigger Kuffar!!

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  154. CarpetCaptain
    July 23, 2008 at 1:07 am

    Fuck this is hilarious. You’re now having conversations with yourself. You’re writing one pile of bullshit to respond to with another pile of bullshit. Circular Azhar logic. Make up garbage, try and sell it to peope and finally believe it yourself.

    I would definitely take the advice of doubling up on the meds.

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  155. twosret
    July 23, 2008 at 1:14 am

    Geeeeez! it is amazing how many people know that among them are trolls and they still feed the trolls.

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  156. The Egyptian Sandmonkey
    July 23, 2008 at 1:38 am

    It sure as hell seems that commentor 158 needs to double up on his meds with his stupid attempt at being funny…just as a whole lot of posters here need to do. What’s with attacking the Azhar Peter, you fascist..

    Seriously a blog for the decrepit

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  157. Holocaust_Survivor
    July 23, 2008 at 1:46 am

    I am still waiting for anyone to politely address the question..why have Jews been so hated throughout history? otherwise one is only left to believe the following comment.”

    Isreal must make a point! Don’t Fuck with us or else, that is precisely why we act like your typical rabid dog!. Drasticness calls for more drastic measures, and since Iran is a radical state, so we the Israeli’s are more radical and more God forsaken crazy than anyone else. Why do we act that way, why do have segregated everything but refuse to call it apartheid, why do we say we avoid casualties just because it is the wisest thing to do? Because we can and we felt like it and our neighbors are pretty fucked up from all their years of colonialism and can’t really do fuck all about it!.

    Other countries have been invaded throughout history and we as Jews have been persecuted so I guess we deserve a place where we can call home while the rest of us are out there trying to control the world with our superior work ethic. Therefore the world must step aside and allow it.

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  158. leo
    July 23, 2008 at 2:15 am

    twosret @ 160,

    I do not recall ever agreeing with you before.

    However, this time I do.

    Thank you

    ——

    To the rest,

    I am wondering when will it dawn on you that you do not talk to this victim of abort-procedure-gone-badly. Just read first few sentences, recognize for what it is and move on. Ignorance is the best weapon.

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  159. ohio
    July 23, 2008 at 3:06 am

    I find it ridiculous how most Muslim Arabs treat religion like soccer; our religion affiliation is better than the other team (religion). Forget what God ask of us to love, not to kill, not cheat, not envy each others, be faithful, generous, and honest.. All those deeds are not important, more important everyone to look and act Muslim. Suni hate Shiia and vice versa. Both hate Christian and Jews. What else do we need !!!!??…

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  160. Save the Arabs
    July 23, 2008 at 3:09 am

    Obama 08 you slippery Kuffar Jew lover… you hide like the Mossad agents that blows up the towers.. Now you call yourself Holocause Survivor – I find you you Kuffar Jew Lover… I see you – when I find you I beat you with my shoe like the dog that you are!!!
    You try and use taqiyya to save yourself – but I find you and I hunt you down you Jew lover you… Inshallah Allahu Akhbar!!@#

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  161. Save the Arabs
    July 23, 2008 at 3:17 am

    Leo -
    Just for the record obviously someone is mocking this troll in troll language and very hilariously as well!
    But for the record -
    Twosret agrees or is 1 step barely removed from “Holocaust Survivor”… his life is devoted to any/every conspiracy he can blame on Jews… he is right in line and ahead of the Vanguard neo fascists and far neo fascist conspiratorial left at “What Really Happened”…. so let that dog lie as well.
    Mike

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  162. OJ
    July 23, 2008 at 5:20 am

    We all need to get along and stop blamin each other.. there’s plenty of white women to go around… plenty of black and jewish lawyers to get a brother off and fight the power.. and plenty of white powder to buy with a big fat football pension.. man them’s Jews, I mean zionists, is on my trail too… just for murdering their son… man why can’t they get over it.
    You Arabs is some crazy mothafu@@as though… blowin up them towers and then celebrating… shit I only killed 2 people with my bare hands… guess that ain’t even as bad as the guy them zionists just let free…
    You see I guess it’s the same.. I claimed my black victimhood and that got me off – and this refrigerator brother, whatever his name is claimed he was an Arab Resistance figher and thas why he had to murder that little girl and her daddy after breaking into their apt… and he eventually gots off too…..
    Just gots to claim you’re a victim… even though I never done a thing for the black race and sure as hell ain’t dated nothing but white girls after my frist wife…. A Salaam Alehchum my brothers…
    The Juice -

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  163. Mo-ha-med
    July 23, 2008 at 8:12 am

    Roman Kalik:
    I enjoyed your reply and would love to comment but with the mess that this thread has become, I shall refrain from doing so.
    More discussion to come though, I’m sure.

    Oh, and: #166 Ohio:
    “I find it ridiculous how most Muslim Arabs treat religion like soccer”:
    It’s called FOOTBALL, BI**H!!! :-)

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  164. leo
    July 23, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Mike: “Just for the record obviously someone is mocking this troll in troll language and very hilariously as well!”

    Unfortunately it is impiossible. Troll is not looking to be clever or outwit you or anybody else. Troll is looking for attention. Once you answered regardless of your reasoning or wise cracks you are his pigeon. Even us talking with each other about troll is way too much credit to it. So, I’d rather we talk about excellent piece Sandmonkey wrote.

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  165. gflkhjf
    July 23, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    test

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  166. brooklynjon
    July 23, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Wow. A whole lotta hate.

    ohio,
    I don’t know if it’s most, but it certainly is a large number who treat religion like a favored soccer team. Many other religions do too.

    If there is a single thing that I am most proud of my religion about, it is that it does not believe that it is the only good religion, and that if can respect and tolerate other religions that promote ethical behavior.

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  167. Ohio
    July 23, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    All known religions promote ethical behaviour. May be one sets the bar a bit higher. Noetheless, Muslim (so-called) scholars and guides of today, (particularly, followers of the Wahabis) tell listners: If you don’t drink alcohol, don’t eat pork, wear a beard, your (wives) are covered head-to-toes; you are a perfect muslim, anything else is minor. I.E; you can hate, kill, cheat, steal, all are justifed providing you do all that in the name of “JIHAD”, very simple isn’t.

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  168. leo
    July 23, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    “don’t drink alcohol,
    don’t eat pork,
    wear a beard,
    your (wives) are covered head-to-toes;”

    I counted four pillars only. Where is the fifth one :).

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  169. public comp cleanup
    July 23, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    public comp cleanup

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  170. karen
    July 23, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    Somebody needs a job :)

    Too much free time!

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  171. Twosret
    July 23, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    @178

    I really think you are generalizing and mixing up some extreme beliefs with the actual Islam teachings. A nice way of of saying Islamophobic.

    Many Muslims will disagree with you. If you widen your horizon a bit you will know that the majority of Muslims doesn’t believe what you wrote.

    leo,

    In your religion that is if my assumption is right it is not really that much of a difference. i.e. that was not funny at all :)

    Glad we agree once that is an achievement!

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  172. Roman Kalik
    July 23, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Mo-ha-med,

    Glad to have talked with you so far, it’s nice having a civil conversation.

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  173. Craig
    July 23, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Twosret,

    Many Muslims will disagree with you. If you widen your horizon a bit you will know that the majority of Muslims doesn’t believe what you wrote.

    A majority of Muslims will SAY they don’t agree with what “Ohio” wrote, but what about when the rubber meets the road? Witness how Muslims en masse have idolized Samir Kuntar, for instance. Or how about Imad Mugniyah? Are those the heroes of Islam that so Muslims many people claim them to be? Can you blame non-Muslims for taking the word of Muslims when they say those people are Islamic? You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that a mass-murderer, torturer, kidnapper is a good Muslim and then say most Muslims don’t support those things.

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  174. brooklynjon
    July 23, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Two,

    You’re right of course, and I count among my friends many Muslims who are perfectly content living and letting live.

    But I will also say that Ohio has a point (back in 166) in that Islam has a long history of theologically considering itself the only true religion. It’s not the only one that does, but it has a long bloody history of slaying the infidel or forcing conversion, etc, etc. It basically promotes the “Hooray, us, Boo everyone else” line. Of note, Mormons, Jehova’s Witnesses, etc also do the same thing, although less bloodily, particularly in the case of the Jehovah’s Witnesses (that’s actually a hilarious joke there, trust me).

    No religion is perfect, certainly not my own, but what I do take great pride in, is that it does not hold itself to be the only path to truth and ethical behavior. Potential converts are told to look in their own tradition for the right path. Honorable people of all religions have a stake in the world to come. And the bar for “infidels” is actually lower than for my coreligionists. When push comes to shove, it really believes in the Rodney King mantra, “Can’t we all get along?”

    Now remember, the adherents of the religion may not be perfect, but that’s what is pretty unambiguously in the theology.

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  175. Mike Nargizian
    July 23, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Twosret Says: -

    I really think you are generalizing and mixing up some extreme beliefs with the actual Islam teachings. A nice way of of saying Islamophobic.

    Just when someone makes a comment about Islam the conversation’s shut down by the Zionists claiming anti-semitism…. oh wait I mean Islamophobia… jese got that confused…. my bad…

    Many Muslims will disagree with you. If you widen your horizon a bit you will know that the majority of Muslims doesn’t believe what you wrote.

    this coming from the person who spends every waking hour writing about any/every conspiracy about the big bad Jooos who run everything and control everything…. reading like Vanguard or the far left wackos at what really happened…. probably has a copy of Mein Kempf memorized on her bookshelf…
    Now claiming/hinting Islamophobia….
    Now that is fing hilarious!!@@

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  176. Mike Nargizian
    July 23, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    Let me state it again like the heated conversation I had today with my Egyptian friend… either you fing believe this guy Kuntar killed this little girl’s father on the beach in front of her and then smashed her skull in with his rifle but or YOU FING DON’T….
    there is no but Goldstein is a monster and the Israelis are blah blah fing blah…
    Either he did it – which he certainly did – or he didn’t…..

    And assuming he did – the Arab world’s, Al Jazeera’s, Lebanon’s etc… greeting this fucking guy like he is a Military Fucking hero says it ALL!!!

    That’s why THERE WILL NEVER BE PEACE BETWEEN THE MIDDLE EAST AND THE WEST… ONLY A COLD SILENCE IGNORING THE TRUE FACTS ABOUT ISLAM AND THE MIDDLE EAST UNTIL THEY BOIL OVER AT SOME POINT UNFORTUNATELY IN THE NEXT 30 YEARS…..

    I know this guy for 20 years and I can see in his and his wife’s face a joy that this child murderer is free and they won’t admit it so they’ll obfuscate with any bullshit excuse and try and change the subject… WELCOME TO THE REAL MIDDLE EAST…..

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  177. Hello Scum
    July 23, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Mike Nargizian you are living in a dream world, to think that your preposterous generalization of Islam as being a child killing endorsing religion will be taken seriously except by a zealot is extraordinary. Is fundie logic of right wing Jewistan? It’s as if you are trying to say that Jews allow usury and collect interest only from non Jews. Opps, wait a minute, they freaking do, umm, I mean as if to say Jews live on a blue dot on the sun.

    You are a racist pig. If you are a specimen of the elite Israeli welfare nation that occupies Palestine, then indeed, we had better not hope for any peace in the next 6 generations.

    Secondly, if Kuntar had relatives that were killed by the Israeli dogs then good for him for initiating pay back.

    End of Story!

    It is sad to see that when ever anyone talks of the human crimes and filth committed by Judistan, everyone screams troll and dont understand that suicide bombings are just the natural reaction of a body being defeated by disease, using its immune system to fight back.

    I hereby take the liberty in calling all people who post on this blog blinded by pride zionist scum, including the ones who try and talk logic to them.

    adious amigos

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  178. Hello Scum
    July 23, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Oh..hey..Loooke it must be a troll again um just ignorre him..he..talks ..the ..truth..of the elders of zion…lest he disease our brains..dont feed him…starve him, boycott, enjoy ephemeral orb of pseudo zion instead, do the Gaza fing to him…ho ho ho..lolly doddy da da

    SOUND FAMILIAR BIOTCH?

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  179. Craig
    July 24, 2008 at 12:04 am

    Secondly, if Kuntar had relatives that were killed by the Israeli dogs then good for him for initiating pay back.

    End of Story!

    No, the end of the story as you tell it is when the nukes start raining down.

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  180. Mike Nargizian
    July 24, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Rx – 100mg Xanex – 200mg Valium – 2 yrs pyschological counseling – get a life….

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  181. Hello Scum
    July 24, 2008 at 12:35 am

    And to think the the saviors speak. The iself proclaimed intellectual trolls of the welfare state speak, setting the bar for failed prognosi. Is that the best you cunts could do. ROFL

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  182. Hello Scum
    July 24, 2008 at 12:46 am

    You got mail Fem…is this Maha?

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  183. Craig
    July 24, 2008 at 2:21 am

    This is what you get for letting Twosret get away with it for so long, SM. Karma, I suppose. The thing is even creating trackbacks to praise itself for it’s witty replies to itself, now. Maybe you should juts give it the login and password for your blog and go take a vacation.

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  184. opally
    July 24, 2008 at 2:23 am

    Is there any point trying to have a dialogue with nutcases? I seem to notice a few in these comments.

    There is a reason Israel doesn’t do what other people say it should do: that’s suicide, or just useless. When attacked, should they stand around and whine “oh, pleeeease don’t attack us, we’ll do whatever you want! Waaaaah!” Or should they do the “tit-for-tat” skirmishes one commenter mentioned; you know, the ones that go on endlessly between some countries. What a bore. Those things only serve to prove that you are willing to tolerate a lot of crap.

    Instead, Israel survives among neighbors who don’t want to create peace.

    If you think Israel was the first country settled by people who fought with other people for control of land, you have a very shaky grasp of human history.

    Look at the quality of life in Israel compared to its neighbors. I think the issue for some of its neighbors is a feeling of shame and the restoration of pride through explosions. One feels more pride because one has killed people drinking coffee in a cafe.

    For some people, the “enemy” is the most important thing in life. Not making a better life for themselves and their families. Not improving themselves. Just think about the enemy, every day, and how that explains everything that’s wrong with your life. So simple!

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  185. tedders
    July 24, 2008 at 3:05 am

    “Just think about the enemy, every day, and how that explains everything that’s wrong with your life. So simple!”

    That is exactly how middle east politicians keep their population from turning on them. It’s in reality their leaders fault they live in squalor. The leaders are the first to beat the, “it’s all Israel’s fault” drum. It trickles down in a society where every cockamamy conspiracy story is held close to the heart as truth.

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  186. Hello Scum
    July 24, 2008 at 3:07 am

    Craig I give credit where credit is due. god bless your soul, you made me laugh so fucking hard! Maybe you should juts give it the login and password for your blog and go take a vacation.

    ROFL LOL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH HAAAAAAAAAA

    I swear to God you are the bomb dude…I didn’t know trolling could be this fun . I can imagine sandmonkeys face if he reads your comment.

    I swear I am in tears, !

    Oooooouch….Good one Craig KUDOS!

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  187. Valerie
    July 24, 2008 at 3:22 am

    They’ve sown the wind, now they will reap the whirlwind.

    Released Lebanese Terrorist Samir Al-Quntar Vows to Fight Under Hizbullah: Allah Willing, I Will Kill More Israelis

    http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP199908

    ….and if they aren’t handy, I’ll murder my own countrymen, just like my Palestinian brothers do.

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  188. karen
    July 24, 2008 at 4:00 am

    The fat pig should shut up if he knows what is good for him. Otherwise, he may have to learn to sleep with one eye opened.

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  189. Craig
    July 24, 2008 at 5:05 am

    The fat pig should shut up if he knows what is good for him.

    He’s a sociopath, so what are the odds he knows what is good for him?

    Otherwise, he may have to learn to sleep with one eye opened.

    I’d suggest anyone who lives within about a one block radius of him should be sleeping very lightly.

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  190. CarpetCaptain
    July 24, 2008 at 8:45 am

    Mike:

    I’m Egyptian and proud to be. Having said that let me say this unequivocally there is no self respecting human being that could make an excuse for what this piece of shit did.

    There is no arguing about it. Period end of story. The fact that the IDF kills kids as collateral damage doesn’t excuse it or make it any less horrendous. I don’t find it as abhorrent simply because the scumbags they get hide between civilians.

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  191. leo
    July 24, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    Karen,

    No, I’d rather he talk and talk and talk. Lebanese need to get educated.

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  192. Red Tulips
    July 24, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    SM,

    I wonder why you linked to an article discussing how Kuntar “didn’t really do it.” What does that add to the discussion?

    As far as the chart; what’s new there? Golda Meir said it best: “There will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate Israel’s children.”

    That is the bottom line; the chart merely illustrates a truism which has been true for generations.

    Finally, obviously the mainstream of the Lebanese do believe it was worth it, as witnessed by the way the “March 14″ coalition was fawning over Kuntar, and the way “Future TV” fawned over the man. This shows you that, when it comes down to it, there is little difference between “March 14″ and Hizballah. They could have each other for all I care. I used to hold Lebanese flags and worry about the fate of the March 14 coalition. No longer. The Lebanese are not sad victims of outside interference. They have the government they deserve.

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  193. Twosret
    July 24, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    I am intrigued by your infatuation Craig. For years you can’t live for two days without mentioning my name, seriously if it were not for the Hurricane raining us down here and the traveling conditions are not predictable, I would be having coffee with you in Santa Clara to get to the bottom of this.

    When will you learn to let go and move on with your life and forget about Twosret? Just wondering?

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  194. Twosret
    July 24, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Mike,

    Relax man you might be young and all but I bet you will have hypertension if you keep going at this rate :)

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  195. Mohamed
    July 24, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    Twosret,
    “When will you learn to let go and move on with your life and forget about Twosret?”
    This won’t happen until you find him a decent job to fill his time and mind, otherwise, he’d be still wasting his life listening to man/monster hybrids like Savage and Rush, and getting his head filled with their venomous poisonous hate, and keep on blaming moslems, mexicans, blacks and martians for his own failings.
    Any job would do, Wal Mart’s always looking for greeters.

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  196. Twosret
    July 24, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Mohamed,

    I didn’t even post anything about the mess above and while scrolling down I see my name. I was like What the heck?! this is not job related it is more serious than that :)

    Hope your day is going well Mohamed :)

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  197. public comp cleanup
    July 24, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    twosret @ 207,

    I am certain it has nothing to do with infatuation (although I am sure you well deserve it). It was simply a reply to your comment.
    Must I assume you are infatuated by me just because you replied to my comment, which had no direct reference to your name?

    Mohamed @ 209,

    I told you once before, do not kill the messanger.

    When you are listening (if you ever did) to Rush and Savage and the likes forget the form go straight for content. Do not assume they are liars just because they say unpleasant things.

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  198. Craig
    July 24, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    I am intrigued by your infatuation Craig. For years you can’t live for two days without mentioning my name, seriously if it were not for the Hurricane raining us down here and the traveling conditions are not predictable, I would be having coffee with you in Santa Clara to get to the bottom of this.

    Santa Clara? lol. I lived in Santa Clarita until about 5 years ago. But I never told you that. You did a little snooping, but got the name wrong, eh? And you accuse me of an infatuation? :D

    When will you learn to let go and move on with your life and forget about Twosret? Just wondering?

    Yes, wouldn’t it be nice for you if everyone you ever harmed just forgot about it? But you are the one who decided to get personal on the blogs. Don’t come whining to me now.

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  199. Craig
    July 24, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    I didn’t even post anything about the mess above…

    You were the first to pollute SM’s blog with a bunch of sock puppet commentary, though, Twosret. So my mentioning you in this thread was very appropriate, no? :P

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  200. Twosret
    July 24, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Public Comp Clean up,

    I’m assuming you are new here :) long history.

    Craig,

    I snoop on you YIKES! Santa Clara was a reference to a nice place jokingly nothing personal idiot!

    I ever harmed lol man you are a mess! so chatting with you and your girlfriend at that time for few chats is getting personal what an idiot!

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  201. Twosret
    July 24, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    “Must I assume you are infatuated by me just because you replied to my comment, which had no direct reference to your name?”

    I never reply to that maniac or comment on anything he say for years. Never responded to him he is been after me for years, only today I just felt like pissing him off that is all :)

    Someone else said he should have a perfume called Twosret or something like that it was hilarious!

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  202. Twosret
    July 24, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Craig,

    Do you see me in your dreams? open up man you are among friends LOL :)

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  203. Red Tulips
    July 24, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    I am noticing lots of backs and forth between Twosret (a known liar who has censored me on her blog, but that’s neither here nor there), and Craig. Any notion that somehow it is “Craig” who has too much time on his hands, and not “Twosret” is shattered by the number of responses by “Twosret.” The answer is that BOTH people have too much time on their hands!

    But anyway, back to the original point…I fail to see what is so extraordinary about SM’s analysis. These equations have existed since the dawn of Israel. It is what happens when you do not care about anything other than destruction; civilian casualties are meaningless when destruction is your only goal. But the complicity of “March 14″ and their ilk calls into question who a “civilian” is, anyway.

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  204. Craig
    July 24, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    I ever harmed lol man you are a mess! so chatting with you and your girlfriend at that time for few chats is getting personal what an idiot!

    Oh, is that what happened? lol.

    Maybe I should post the 6 (unsolicited) emails you sent me about this issue last time it came up?

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  205. Twosret
    July 24, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    Red Tulips,

    You were warned on my blog of your rudeness and unfounded insults, it is my blog and I put the rules. On the other hand you don’t have to comment if you don’t want to.

    when I made a post about Rachel Corey You called me a liar for objecting your extreme opinions of finding anything acceptable for an American citizen to be killed under an Israeli Machinery a peace maker that objected to tearing down an innocent Palestinian family home.

    This is where it bothers you the most to see some light shed on the brutality of Israelis and you call people liars left and right.

    You are a pathetic hypocrite to insinuate that I have too much time on my hand when there were long periods of time (almost a year) I didn’t blog, I didn’t visit SM or made any comment.

    People like you who are fill with hate to anyone who object killing innocents are pathetic indeed.

    You are really not worthy of a reply but how you are twisted is amazing!

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  206. public comp cleanup
    July 24, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    “public comp cleanup” is “leo”

    I appologise for the confusion.

    I am posting from public computer and the only way to protect my info is to use fake name.

    It might happen few more times today and tomorrow though.

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  207. EgyPeter
    July 24, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Where the hell is Sandmonkey??

    Is anyone else as tired as I am listening to the same blather over and over and over and over again??

    It gets a little redundant redundant

    (yes that was on purpose)

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  208. Hello Scum
    July 24, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Sorry Mohamed, sorry Twosret (You should seriously think about starting that perfume), sorry Clean Machine but this is what I really think.
    To think that the preposterous generalization of Islam or anything remotely anti-Zionist as being a child killing endorsing religion could be taken seriously except by an a radical zealot is extraordinary. That is the fundie logic of right wing Jewistan? It’s like trying to say that Jews allow usury and collect interest only from non Jews. Ooopps, wait a minute, they freaking do, umm, I mean as if to say Jews don’t think they are superior to others because they live in an evil world and God gave them a license to prosper amongst themselves and control banks and markets and hence politics. Oh fuck wait a minute damn it, they do that too. OK then it’s like saying occupied Jewistan is not an apartheid and is situated on a blue dot on the moon. And ROTHSCHILD is a broke Muslim who just wants to do good on earth and live peacefully.

    People who BLINDLY SUPPORT ZIONISM and turn a blind eye are RACIST SCUM, case closed. This is truer than one knows. You are all specimens of the so called elite welfare nation of Jewistan that occupies Palestine, so indeed, we had better not hope for any peace in the next 6 generations.

    Secondly, if Kuntar had relatives that were killed by the Israeli dogs then good for him for enacting his revenge. Israel does it all the time..
    http://www.btselem.org/english/Press_Releases/20080720.asp

    End of Story!

    It is sad to see that when ever anyone talks of the human consequences or crimes and filth committed by Judistan, everyone screams yuuhh..antisemite, troll and simply dont understand that suicide bombings are just the natural reaction of a body being defeated by disease, using its immune system to fight back. And if the tables were turned, Jewistan would be doing the same exact thing.

    I hereby take the liberty in calling all people who post on this blog, blinded by their pride, “ZIONIST SCUM,” including the ones who try and talk logic to them and the ones trying to get in their good graces, decendents of third world colonists.

    adious amigos

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  209. Twosret
    July 24, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Mohamed,

    Where is Fathy of Zamalek he is needed lol

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  210. Mike Nargizian
    July 24, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Carpet Captain -

    I’m Egyptian and proud to be. Having said that let me say this unequivocally there is no self respecting human being that could make an excuse for what this piece of shit did.

    There is no arguing about it. Period end of story. The fact that the IDF kills kids as collateral damage doesn’t excuse it or make it any less horrendous. I don’t find it as abhorrent simply because the scumbags they get hide between civilians.

    Just went over 3 possible reasons for that name? you sell rugs? lol..

    Except that Kuntar is treated like an Arab Muslim national hero in Lebanon, Al Jazeera, Al Manar etc… they put out rose petals for him and the leader of Hezbollah has hailed him as a hero. Even Al Jazeera which is somewhat weary of the Shiite faction arm of Iran hailed him as a hero.. which shows that if you kill Jews and are put in prison is doesn’t matter – you’re a hero.
    That’s the problem… don’t see any parades for Baruch Goldstein. He can’t even get conjugal visits let alone an education and fat… Ironic that the child murderer got better treatment than a Jew in an Israeli prison.

    As for twosret – you are petty and really a joke – no point to a conv with you – but I only look young and handsome.

    Mike

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  211. Fathy of Zamalek
    July 24, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    Of course you don’t agree with Twosret, she opposes all that you stand for. She branded & distributed her hit fragrance TOWSRET-A Le CRAIG with companies other than Estee Lauder that support Zionism. No nothing news worthy of you not agreeing with her here. As far as the handsome thing goes, I am sure she was just using good old fashioned well mannered Arab flattery.

    As for Mohamed and all other Muslims, he is smart and treads lightly in the 2k era of the Islamophobists as would be expected for self preservation.

    As for Clean-Mac..I thought only idiots fight on the net but I have recently realized that you aren’t actually efighting or exchanging anything here, but using this place as a toilet and it wouldn’t be right to comment on the contents inside a public toilet. Poop away mach! Nuff Said!

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  212. Twosret
    July 24, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    Brooklynjon,

    Christianity had to go through the bloodbaths of the interdenominational wars as well. Therefore, pointing at Islam back in the 166 and the followers actions is kind of singling out Islam.

    A muslim can share your sentiment to be proud of his religion for preaching peace only if he or she follows the religion correctly. All muslims I personally know will tell you “Lakom Deynakom we Leya Deiny” which translates to you have my faith and I have mine. It is a quote from Quaran. Muslims marry Jews and Christians vs.Slaying them really.

    Looking at the Old Testament anyone can point out violence that can be falsely interpreted. Catholic priests are sexually abusing children and young men with great numbers. Does that mean that this is the teaching of Christianity?

    The political/religious matrix is the problem. Anyone can point out in Christianity or Judaism violent behavior from quotes and actions of it’s people and the wars that are fought under the name of religion didn’t stop at 166 it is still taking place till today.

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  213. Twosret
    July 24, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Mike,

    Oh well….I was actually being nice to you as I saw you were very upset and writing in caps for the first time you sounded very frustrated.

    I was throwing a joke your way not intending to be mean.

    Thank you anyway.

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  214. Twosret
    July 24, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Ya Fathy (can’t stop laughing),

    We have been posting here on SM for the past three years and we always disagree but I really don’t hold grudges. I don’t know most people here and I don’t take it seriously.

    They are so defensive that even a nice line is considered an insult. You got it right I was being nice to him.

    Now that is an exception for my stalker Craig :)

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  215. Fathy of Zamalek
    July 24, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    TWOSRET:

    Correction : — “Lakom Deynakom we Leya Deiny” which translates to you have “”my”” faith and I have mine.

    It should read : — you have have “”your”” faith and I have mine. I know you already know that, I was just bringing it to your attention, not that anyone, and I mean anyone will read it and even care one bit. yes, I mean even the people you spend hours here intriguing including your once and still hopeful Mr. Craig.

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  216. Jay
    July 25, 2008 at 12:04 am

    Towsret,
    I don’t agree with many things you write but, I think you are a very nice commentator and have a good head on your shoulders.#226 ia a great post.The attacks you are getting are ridiculous and juvenile. Don’t let them drag you into a mud fight.
    Jay

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  217. Craig
    July 25, 2008 at 12:12 am

    Now that is an exception for my stalker Craig :)

    You wish, Twosret! :P

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  218. brooklynjon
    July 25, 2008 at 12:21 am

    Two,

    What I was talking about was the respective religions’ beliefs about the other. Some religions pledge tolerance, believing that the nonbeliever is doomed to some sort of substandard afterlife. A good friend a while back – Dutch Reformed – once sheepishly admitted that he believed that I, as a non-Christian, was doomed to eternal hellfire. And when I asked him what it implied about our friendship that he hadn’t tried to warn me about my peril, he just had a sheepish shrug. I don’t really know what mainstream Islam believes about my long term prospects, but based on the Muslims I know who have tried to convert me, presumably the belief is that I would do better as a Muslim than as a non-Muslim.

    My religion does not share this belief. It is not unique in this way. For instance, Unitarianism also believes the same way. The belief is that heaven is for good people, regardless of their religion, and that ALL religions have something good to say. It is entirely plausible to be Jewish and also become Buddhist. Similarly, you can be Jewish and also accept Jesus Christ – most of the early Christians did exactly that. There are no death sentences. There is no discrimination. You’re good? Off to heaven you go. It’s that simple.

    Anyway, if you look at my comment (#177) it’s clear that I was not singling out Islam.

    I do know that Islam speaks of Judaism as having been “corrupted”. Similarly, Christianity – or at least the Christianity of Ann Coulter – speaks of Christians as being “perfected Jews”. While there are tolerant strains in both religions, this still bespeaks a belief of superiority. The belief, prevalent among many, that their religion is better (in some universal sense) than the other guys, is a source of a great deal of division and violence.

    Catholic priests abusing children is an abomination, as you rightly point out. But they do not do this in the name of Catholicism. The abuse is condemned by the church, and by all right thinking Catholics.

    The violence in the Old Testament is not really germane, as essentially no one justifies their actions based on that. Both Judaism and Christianity have gone on to substantially modify the violent edge in their past. Modification, incidentally, which Islamic teachings disdain as “corruption of the word of Gd”.

    Of course, Twosret, we’ll never successfully hash this out here. Let’s meet sometime and settle it over sushi and sake. I know this great place on Seventh Avenue…

    bj

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  219. Mohamed
    July 25, 2008 at 12:24 am

    Fathy of Zamalek,
    I’ve finally caught you and won’t let you go, you’ve got to apologize to my mother as ten years ago she mistook you for a beggar or a homeless guy in addition to definitely being nuts (You were my profanity teacher growing up, couldn’t miss your daily shouting performance every sunset as you passed by my home carrying your precious bag), still she felt sorry for you and had the courage to try to give you some money (in an envelope, so she won’t hurt your feelings), and man, you’ve changed her life for ever, your super sized spit and the ensuing “Fakrany sha7at ya bent el kalb, dana ashtereeky we ashtery ely ’7alefooky” put her in a state of shock for days, she still gets flashbacks whenever she sees a homeless guy in SF, I’m coming for you man
    :) .

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  220. Craig
    July 25, 2008 at 12:27 am

    By the way this is the same god cop / bad cop sock puppet routine Twosret has been pulling here for two years now. She never figured out that all of her personalities are bad lol.

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  221. zalame
    July 25, 2008 at 12:34 am

    I think your question is somewhat misguided. “was it worth it” should be qualified with the relevant party… e.g., “was it worth it for Hezb?”, “was it worth it for Israel?”, “was it worth it for Lebanon?”, these are completely different questions.

    Was it worth it for Hezb? Probably yes. It increased its political power, got into the government, did not damage its long-term military build-up. And all that at the mere cost of a few hundred Hezb fighters dead and a few southerns that it does not count anyway.

    Was it worth it for Israel? Not clear. It realized the magnitude of Hezb weapon stockpile and got practice towards the inevitable second round. It was naively hoping that the UN resolution will help tame Hezb, but this obviously did not happen. (I am not even sure that Israel really hoped for anything from this resolution.)

    Was it worth it for Lebanon? Probably not. It got Hezb as significant political power, completely lost control of the south (as if it had any earlier), and suffered significant destruction.

    -Z

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  222. Twosret
    July 25, 2008 at 12:53 am

    Fathy,

    My apologies I stand corrected. I know there should be ways to write a quranic verse but I am a Christian and not really familiar to the correct way to do it.

    bj,

    I will discuss religion and politics over sushi as long as Mohamed and Fathy (if he is well behaved) will be our chaperones. Will write a response later tonight sorry I’m running out of time.

    Mohamed,

    OMG I couldn’t stop laughing reading your post. Your poor mom I can imagine Fathy doing this to her.

    Maybe we should all fly to SF for Sushi and invite Craig NOT :)

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  223. Craig
    July 25, 2008 at 1:05 am

    Maybe we should all fly to SF for Sushi and invite Craig NOT :)

    So after inviting yourself to come to my neighborhood to have coffee with me in “Santa Clara” you’ve disinvited me? lol. Well, anyway, Twosret… you know very well I live a 5 minute drive from your in-laws. Drop me an email next time you are visiting them and we can go have coffee and you can perform some of your expert psychoanalysis, right?

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  224. Red Tulips
    July 25, 2008 at 1:34 am

    Twosret:

    Drop your Rachel Corrie nonsense. You blood libeled Israel, claiming they purposefully killed Rachel Corrie, without a shred of evidence. Then you censored opposing viewpoints.

    Hardly holier than thou.

    As far as you v. Craig: it is apparent from this that you are posting easily as much as he is in this reply thread. (regardless of what happened a year ago) So feel free to explain how he has “no life” and yet you have a full life with no free time on your hands.

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  225. Fathy of Zamalek
    July 25, 2008 at 1:38 am

    My apologies Mohamed to your mother because her intentions were good but I guess it was my twin or something because I can’t say I recall anything of the incidence you described lol.

    Although sometimes ignorance is a blessing.

    Do you ever get the feeling that you are like the ‘resistance’ on this blog, because you are out numbered 5 to 1, that’s of course with the likes of the 3 or 4 other resistance commenters here? Kinda hard to stay civilized while you are the resistance eh?

    Therefore please excuse my guerrilla tactics….

    My comments have a kill radius of 500 meters, so I don’t blame you if you tend to keep your distance and sometimes seem a little startled by them. No pun intended to you BTW..

    Now stay safe and take care!

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  226. twosret
    July 25, 2008 at 1:38 am

    WOW you have revealed the most shameful secret of mine that I have kept for years, my in-laws lives 5 minutes away from you.

    *hiding under my desk*

    You really display the lowest of the lowest ethics in human friendships. For you to post personal information that you know about me and you were trusted with through a third party, what are you hoping for Craig? for the past three years of your online abuse to me? that you will gain any kind of credibility?.

    I have bad news for you Craig, people who threaten to reveal personal information that they were trusted with in good faith do look really bad.

    I must say that it was a huge mistake to extend a hand to an ungrateful bastard like you and a passive online girl to see two people happy. you are a hell of two Strangers that I should have never brought into my circle or shared anything with.

    All this and I haven’t even seen both your faces ever. What would have happened if I did?!

    And the freaking e-mails you refer to if posted will bring only shame on your part for being such a low life.

    What a cheap low life way of addressing a personal problem online and abusing someone for three years in public due to a personal problem that no one gives a freaking fly about!

    Dying for attention Craig aren’t we? but I have given you enough today and will only give you silence therapy that burns you deep down for a long time to come.

    I apologize for other readers for this personal post including Fathy of Zamalek :) he is actually much nicer than this thing Craig.

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  227. Mohamed
    July 25, 2008 at 1:46 am

    Twosret,
    Unfortunately, I think the real Fathy has passed away or got caught or something, because shortly after the “taffa” incident he disappeared, but
    I don’t think it was my mom hiring assasins to get even.
    Reliable sources (mainly my friends older brothers and sisters) swear that he’s the original magnoon So3ad 7osny.

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  228. Fathy of Zamalek
    July 25, 2008 at 1:49 am

    Tworset I know you are a God fearing Christian like myself. I was merely bringing something to your attention. Now as a god fearing christian I have to questions for you.

    1.) Could you please invite Craig along to that little cocktail along with us. You know it would be devastating if we were one day to come here and find that he has actually gotten over you. I mean he even said you hurt his feelings and accuses you of being the resident sock puppet troll (although everyone who can’t retort a witty Zionist remark uses that play as well) so I think it will be fun to have him along. I got family in San Anotonio Texas as well as in Hayward California. So I could be near to the both of you if i put my head to it.

    Secondly, could you please ask bj or anyone else who is a supporter of Jewistan, why they never write the whole word GOD it its entirety, why do they always write G_D. I mean since you are a Jewistan go between and don’t mind conversing with them and all. Aren’t you in the least bit curious or if you already know, do you mind telling me? I know I would really like to know.

    Thanks

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  229. Craig
    July 25, 2008 at 1:50 am

    You really display the lowest of the lowest ethics in human friendships. For you to post personal information that you know about me and you were trusted with through a third party, what are you hoping for Craig?

    Are you fucking kidding me, Twosret? I say again, it was YOU who decided to make this personal AND public, over 2 years ago. You did it again a few hours ago with your (dishonest) comment about how we met. Have you no shame?

    My advice to you is next time you want to start getting personal, remember that is a two way street. I’m very tempted to copy/paste all the emails you spammed me with a few months ago here, and let the readers judge for themselves about which of us is obsessed.

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  230. Craig
    July 25, 2008 at 2:05 am

    By the way, Twosret:

    You really display the lowest of the lowest ethics in human friendships. For you to post personal information that you know about me and you were trusted with through a third party, what are you hoping for Craig?

    That’s another lie. You showed me the website for the condo complex they live in, and I told you I play golf in that town several times a week. You forgot? lol. The “third party” you mention wasn’t even online at the time. It was just you and me, dear.

    But speaking of that third party and ethics in friendship – what do you think of your conduct there?

    And finally, considering you threatened to file a lawsuit against me a year ago when I implied you might have a drinking problem, I think we are way discussing “ethics”. I doubt you even know what the word means.

    PS – if you drank a little less you might be able to remember what you tell people.

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  231. Craig
    July 25, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Red Tulips,

    Then you censored opposing viewpoints.

    She banned every person who ever commented on her blog. And then she says she has no time for blogging :D

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  232. brooklynjon
    July 25, 2008 at 2:22 am

    Fathy,

    Are you really THAT full of hate? So sad. I hope it’s just a joke.

    bj

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  233. brooklynjon
    July 25, 2008 at 2:25 am

    Two,

    Make it Mohammed and tedders, and we have a deal.

    bj

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  234. Fathy of Zamalek
    July 25, 2008 at 2:38 am

    Invitations are one thing, but to actually sit with someone who has served in the most inadequately responsive militia in the world is another if he is unrepentant for doing so. The JDF [Jewistan Defence Forces] ring any bells. Those who talk should open the link provided then talk. http://www.btselem.org/english/Press_Releases/20080720.asp watch the video of the girl being bulldozed to death, then mock people for caring a relative amount of resentment, calling it hate. what a nice attempt at playing the protagonist.

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  235. brooklynjon
    July 25, 2008 at 3:03 am

    Fathy,

    So, I guess it wasn’t a joke, you really are that full of hate. I’m sure there’s a reason, and whatever the trauma that caused this, I’m sorry for it. Peace.

    bj

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  236. Twosret
    July 25, 2008 at 3:13 am

    Fathy,

    I honestly do not know why BrooklynJon spells God the way he does. I don’t know also why you spelled God with a small g. I think it is a good idea to ask BrooklynJon why he spells it the way he does. I think you will get a civilized response.

    The only explanation I have for you is that I think some religious Jews spell it this way because it is very holy to spell it out. It is like not having a picture of Prophet Mohamed in Islam.

    As for your other question, as far as I am concerned I do my best to differentiate between Politicians and Religions. I have nothing against Judaism or Jews I have a problem with people who would kill innocents and occupy another country and all the aggression and the violence. A two state solution is my last hope although I have lost hope and I despair often.

    I wouldn’t hate any Jewish person for someone’s else doing. I have many Jewish friends and I don’t even discuss politics or religion with them. We are kind and good to each other and I know that they are like me peace loving people and they don’t justify killing innocents.

    I didn’t watch the video you posted because being a mother I am very sensitive to see any young children hurt be it Jewish, Muslim, Christian etc…..

    I have been an advocate for the Palestinian cause and hoping that all the parties involved learn to converse better. Conversing with some reasonable Jewish people online or in person is not such a bad idea it helps you narrowing the gap even if you disagree with them.

    I hope I answered your question and I’m not God fearing Christian, I’m an average person with many faults.

    If you ever come our way we will show you some southeren hospitality :)

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  237. Twosret
    July 25, 2008 at 3:21 am

    bj,

    I think Fathy was just asking not spewing any hate. I will e-mail Tedders and drag him here to decide for himself where to go to Yamato or SF? :)

    I personally wouldn’t mind going to Japan for sushi :)

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  238. Twosret
    July 25, 2008 at 3:25 am

    wallahi ya Mohamed I would take Fathy any minute over elly maytsamash. Kan youm eswad youm ma aa’rafto. Kafarni he is magnoon Soa’d housni too because I’m told I look like her lol :)

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  239. Mike Nargizian
    July 25, 2008 at 3:29 am

    twosret

    Mike, Oh well….I was actually being nice to you as I saw you were very upset and writing in caps for the first time you sounded very frustrated.
    I was throwing a joke your way not intending to be mean.
    Thank you anyway.
    not upset – the Kuntar situation is pretty emblematic and sad, as Carpet Captain agreed. I’ve seen your writing when you were a group member of some blog a while back I believe? so I believe I’m pretty familiar with your conspiracy/hate mongering and then playing innocent. To each his own.

    Fathy of Zamalek – Obama 08 – Holocaust Survivor – Save the Jews – Hello Scum -
    It’s all the same loooooser with a lllllllooooooooooooot of time on his hands…
    This guy realllllllllllly needs -
    A) a life
    B) Meds lots of them
    C) Mental Ward

    Don’t know if it’s possible to imagine what a miserable unhappy dude you are….. skip the psyochoanalysis and just check yourself in before it’s too late… life is wayyy too short.

    Mike

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  240. Mike Nargizian
    July 25, 2008 at 3:30 am

    twosret

    Mike, Oh well….I was actually being nice to you as I saw you were very upset and writing in caps for the first time you sounded very frustrated.
    I was throwing a joke your way not intending to be mean.
    Thank you anyway.

    not upset – the Kuntar situation is pretty emblematic and sad, as Carpet Captain agreed. I’ve seen your writing when you were a group member of some blog a while back I believe? so I believe I’m pretty familiar with your conspiracy/hate mongering and then playing innocent. To each his own.

    Fathy of Zamalek – Obama 08 – Holocaust Survivor – Save the Jews – Hello Scum -
    It’s all the same loooooser with a lllllllooooooooooooot of time on his hands…
    This guy realllllllllllly needs -
    A) a life
    B) Meds lots of them
    C) Mental Ward

    Don’t know if it’s possible to imagine what a miserable unhappy dude you are….. skip the psyochoanalysis and just check yourself in before it’s too late… life is wayyy too short.

    Mike

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  241. Fathy of Zamalek
    July 25, 2008 at 3:31 am

    Case Closed then. If you didn’t open the links because you know what you will see will disturb you then it’s obvious why bj didn’t open the links because then he might get disturbed as well and have to follow the path of reason and would therefore be lessening his belief in his signed sealed and delivered belief system. thanks for explaining though. I don’t remember forgetting to push the caps key when typing out the word God, I usually do because that is a proper noun isn’t it :) BTW I am agnostic, it’s just I like you am severely intolerant to injustice (as the Jewish religion claims it does as well but has yet to show us by its actions, in occupied palestine) I am not judging all Jews but nuff said. I also hated south Africa, i hate what is happening in Darfur, what happened in Bosnia, what’s happening in Iraq.

    Everything changes for the better and no tyranny stays the same. even here, for the first time i have been able to express my view and not been called an antisemite troll. I wonder how long that will last?

    Have a good morning, bye.

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  242. Fathy of Zamalek
    July 25, 2008 at 3:39 am

    INCREDIBELE, I spoke too soon about not being called an anti Semite troll puppeteer, but there you have it TWORSET, I had a feeling it wouldn’t last.

    This Mike character just out did the JDF forces for Nimrod embarrassment. I am so glad that my words and the links I leave regarding distressed violated people leaves such a poignant scar and always touches a nerve with the members of the lost tribe. lost indeed.

    Does that answer your question mr. bj, look at your own kind.

    Does that prove my point Twosret.

    You can have these suckers..

    adieu

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  243. Twosret
    July 25, 2008 at 3:49 am

    Fathy,

    To survive on SM blog you have to develop thick skin and scroll down :). Comm’on Fathy of Zamalek we finally found you :)

    Please remember also that blog posts and e-mails etc…. can create many misunderstandings.

    Good morning to you too although it is nite nite my time.

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  244. Fathy of Zamalek
    July 25, 2008 at 3:54 am

    lol,,,,,like with Craig la dee da da.

    Crocodile skin…so basically it is just an excercise in anger mangement more or less. Correct?

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  245. karen
    July 25, 2008 at 4:00 am

    Jewistan is such a stupid word. It makes no sense. All of the places that end in stan are muslim countries or places.

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  246. Twosret
    July 25, 2008 at 4:01 am

    you can let steam off here too you know lol :) you ignore most of the time and say what you want to say and then watch them jump up and down and then occasionally you can have a nice conversation with some people here and they are really cool :)

    You are new to Sandmonkey I’m assuming? I was mad when I first started here too :)

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  247. Jay
    July 25, 2008 at 4:08 am

    Towesrt,

    Are you a single mom?

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  248. brooklynjon
    July 25, 2008 at 4:15 am

    Two,

    Japan seems a long way to go for sushi. And frankly, I don’t recall it to be any better there than here. Besides, if we were to convene here, I bet I could get my mother to put you up in her spare bedroom.

    Fathy’s question is not, in and of itself, hateful. But his tone is. It’s not what you say, but how you say it. Jewistan? Come on.

    And you are pretty much on the mark with regard to “Gd”. I could explain it more, but the folks at askmoses.com would frankly do a much better job, and a more authoritative one.

    bj

    P.S. The Norwegentawn roll at Yamato is nothing short of sublime. Sadly, their tempura coating has gluten, and I can’t eat it.

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  249. Mike Nargizian
    July 25, 2008 at 4:17 am

    Well too much time on my hand right now… so I google twosret to try and find the name of that blog she used to co write at… and 1 of the entries for her this came up -

    Posted at: 11:58 PM – 23 Feb 2007
    Twosret,

    Thank you for your e-mail.

    I am not going to enter into personal/”confidential” correspondence with you. Furthermore I cannot use your comment section. Therefore I will have to do with this site.

    Having checked Craig’s comments on my website, I found that none of them imply personal relationship beyond telephone conversations in any way. His comments do not assert that he knows that you are an alcoholic; he says that it’s his guess. His is a statement of opinion and it is not clear why this should bother you. It is not a totally unreasonable assumption on his part. Being an anti-Semite does not automatically mean that someone is an alcoholic, but there is a link – ask Mel Gibson.

    All of the above notwithstanding, if you identify which particular comment upset you, I will remove it.

    Now note the end of the letter where a small taste of twosret is apparently detailed NO’s 1 & 2 particularly -
    http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:ENHsWtmEm8MJ:www.jewishblogging.com/blog.php%3Fbid%3D94884+twosret+blog&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us

    While we are at it, I am curious:

    1. Where is the deception in your post entitled “Exposing the deception of more Zionist organizations and bloggers”. I am listed as “Zionist blogger No 1″. How did I deceive anyone? I pride myself on being honest and cosider this to be a serious accusation.

    2. Weird Republic is referenced on your website here as evidence for your “Jews against Christmas” campaign. I have nothing against you and your co-authors using Stormfront and other racist sources (which covers most of your sources), but to be consistent you may also want to reference Weird Republic’s articles on

    - Islam and
    - Jihad

    3. When you imply that “our two nations” are at war, which “two nations” are you referring to?

    4. Were you 100% clear in your head when you wrote your “Personal message to Bec”? Honestly, I find that hard to believe. The whole rant is even more ridiculous than normal. For example, where exactly is the contradiction in this statement: “You claimed to be Indian-American and now you say you are Christian and finally you say you are not a Jew. Which one should we believe?”

    Stormfront – wow not surprising but just disgusting coming from the crowd that calls lgf the devil and racism incarnate and she cites stormfront – the very in living form neo nazism…. lol!!
    that aside from the apparent very juvenile attempt at painting the admin there a “zionist co-conspirator”…

    Mike

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  250. Mohamed
    July 25, 2008 at 4:27 am

    Any time BJ, I think you’re the only one here who I disagree with almost everything he says yet I couldn’t help but respect and totally separate from the Roman/Mike/Egyp/CC etc. sewage pipe.
    Twosret,
    Actually, the real Fathy was quiet a teddy bear when he wasn’t raining profanities at the universe, I think that my mom just unintentionally hurt his pride, So3ad 7osny was my favorite too, I could watch this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_U6Ev-Oesg&feature=related

    again and again and never get bored, the only thing that I don’t get, is if this movie was made in 1972, how come the October bridge was in the background of the first scene.
    Delwa2ty howa tab3an 7ayod’7ol 3ala el link elly fo2 we 3ashan mota’7alef we mo’7oh m2afel, he’ll keep wondering for weeks how retarded we are to like something like ’7aly balak men zoozoo, and since howa now 3aref that you look like her, 7ayetganen aktar.

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  251. Twosret
    July 25, 2008 at 4:29 am

    HUH? I have never been to this Jewish blogging site ever! you are loosing it Mike get some sleep.

    Never co wrote on any blog geeez! Goodnight!

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  252. twosret
    July 25, 2008 at 5:21 am

    Mohamed,

    you got me going on this clip ya khabar she is a doll. law kont shabaha zay ma bey’oola yakhabar :) dah ya ibni wallahi law taa’ref el genan elly howa feeh mosh hatsada’.

    oh this Fathy story is so funny you made me laugh so hard. law aa’ref el bareed el electrony betaa’k hahaaha hatedahak le el sobh law taa’rf.

    you see my arabic is good :)

    Jay,
    Why do you ask?

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  253. Fathy of Zamalek
    July 25, 2008 at 5:39 am

    And that’s a rap for today…and not one single person said a god damn thing about the link. I could find more responses in a shopping mall in Tel Aviv that has fallen victim to suicide attacks in the past. At least Israel has supposedly has a few peace activists and human rights activists. This blog is like a morally absent ghost town.

    Before bj acted the way he did, I hadn’t even mentioned the term Jewsitan so as for him to judge my sentiment. He is no doubt linked to radicals like Mike who have more than just a passport in common.

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  254. brooklynjon
    July 25, 2008 at 6:01 am

    Mohamed,

    Thank you. I’m sure, on principle, there is much we actually agree about. But our perspectives are different. The biggest questions are where history starts, and which sources of facts you find authoritative.

    Ultimately, were we born to one another’s parents, we’d be one another.

    Let’s have sushi!

    bj

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  255. The Raccoon
    July 25, 2008 at 10:55 am

    LOL, I can’t believe this idiotic shouting at walls continues.

    Mike – what’s the point in talking to these Nazis? They hate you. They’ll always hate you. If they had the balls or the opportunity or the trigger, they’d be Samir Kuntar without a second thought. There is only one cure to their condition, and it is applied straight to the brain at supersonic speeds. Or you can possibly physically contain them somehow if you think there is a chance that eventually their descendants, in some distant future, will overcome this horrible affliction.

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  256. leo
    July 25, 2008 at 11:32 am

    perry @ 272,

    I hope Sandmonkey is looking for ways to add security to his site. Like register/login system for example. And until found he does not want to post anything. Let’s hope everything is OK.

    PS. Who are those 12, which weren’t jailed? Their blogs may shed some light.

    The Raccoon @ 271,

    My sentiment exactly.

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  257. zalame
    July 25, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Racoon @271, you’re wrong. More violence is not the solution, more love is.

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  258. Fathy of Zamalek
    July 25, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    @ The Hitler ‘s Racoon, Leo, Mike, Craig, tedders etc. who say: “There is only one cure to their condition, and it is applied straight to the brain at supersonic speeds.” Ahh extermination, that didn’t take much for your true masonic Zionist Nazi colors to shine through did it?

    Zalame, you are right but do you know anything at all about the history of these people that you think are capable of love. read any book since ancient times, they are always the antagonists in it.

    Good luck!

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  259. Jay
    July 25, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    274 “more love is” I ask Towsert because I would like to ask you out, opposites attract no?

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  260. Craig
    July 25, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Hey Mike! Thanks for finding this on Shlemazl’s:

    4. Were you 100% clear in your head when you wrote your “Personal message to Bec”? Honestly, I find that hard to believe. The whole rant is even more ridiculous than normal. For example, where exactly is the contradiction in this statement: “You claimed to be Indian-American and now you say you are Christian and finally you say you are not a Jew. Which one should we believe?”

    Good stuff! Especially since Twosret was still obsessing over Bec’s “lies” about being an American Indian (but not South Asian!?) just a few days ago :)

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  261. Hello Scum
    July 25, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Craig elha2 yabni jay is aking Twosret out, are you gonna sit this one out and let that happen. Jay said it first, opposites attract and i frankly haven’t seen any 2 more opposite than the both of you. Maybe the both of you could work it out as she suggested and forget about the anonymity feuds etc. I hope it works out. yala yella…good luck.

    I am still in tears every time I re read your comment where it seems you have thrown your hands up in the air in inexplicable grief proclaiming that Sandmonkey ought to just give me the log in and password to his blog and go on a permanent vacation. I don’t know how but you managed to move me in a way that I have never experienced from someone of the opposition. It was freakin hilarious…

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  262. tedders
    July 25, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    “Make it Mohammed and tedders, and we have a deal.”

    WooHooo!!! I’m in!! Would be a great evening! Even sans gluten!! :)

    “@ The Hitler ’s Racoon, Leo, Mike, Craig, tedders etc. who say: “There is only one cure to their condition, and it is applied straight to the brain at supersonic speeds.” ”

    A bit confused about that statement from Fathy of Zamalek, I think you may be assuming something I’m not aware of. Can you clarify?

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  263. Zock Puppet
    July 25, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    comment 197 lolol lol lol Precious…

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  264. leo
    July 25, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    zalame @ 274,

    I may have two chicks but I have only one life so cut the …

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  265. Craig
    July 25, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Jay said it first, opposites attract and i frankly haven’t seen any 2 more opposite than the both of you.

    Crazy married women are way beyond “opposite”! And I’m not into the whole grudge f’ing thing. Thanks for the offer though.

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  266. CarpetCaptain
    July 26, 2008 at 12:44 am

    “And I’m not into the whole grudge f’ing thing”

    Don’t mock it till you try it ;)

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  267. Mike Nargizian
    July 26, 2008 at 1:18 am

    Mohammed and Fathy called me a radical and then said I’m linked to the other supposed undercover Jooos on here… it’s a conspiracy… lol…

    Twosret – just typed in “twosret blog” into Google it was the 3rd or 4th hit… so unless there is someone else that comments and blogs using the name twosret it would appear to be you.. I gave you the direct link to the site’s comments section as well.

    This is pretty comical this Fathy clown just appeared suddenly in the thread out of nowhere after taking 10 different handles used the same phraseology and same link every other name in the thread he used… the btselem link and then continued to copy my language from up above “nuff said”… and then twosret tries to pretend it’s not the same guy either…. this is sad and hilarious…

    Here was his first comment after using 10 other handles -

    Of course you don’t agree with Twosret, she opposes all that you stand for. She branded & distributed her hit fragrance TOWSRET-A Le CRAIG with companies other than Estee Lauder that support Zionism. No nothing news worthy of you not agreeing with her here. As far as the handsome thing goes, I am sure she was just using good old fashioned well mannered Arab flattery.

    As for Mohamed and all other Muslims, he is smart and treads lightly in the 2k era of the Islamophobists as would be expected for self preservation.

    As for Clean-Mac..I thought only idiots fight on the net but I have recently realized that you aren’t actually efighting or exchanging anything here, but using this place as a toilet and it wouldn’t be right to comment on the contents inside a public toilet. Poop away mach! Nuff Said!

    Same hateful garbage and language as the 10 other handles the DESPERATE LOSER used.

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  268. Craig
    July 26, 2008 at 2:51 am

    Same hateful garbage and language as the 10 other handles the DESPERATE LOSER used.

    The sad part is the BJ and tedders are totally falling for it. BJ and tedders, were you born yesterday? Seriously… you want to go out for coffee with the same people who just insulted you under other IDs? lol.

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  269. Hello Scum
    July 26, 2008 at 3:29 am

    OKAY back to shitting on Craig’s face again, so here we go. Open up wide Craig and BTW I am not Mona and I am not twosret either. But anyone who foul mouths a woman is…get this….being themselves.

    As for Mike, wow, what a rocket scientist, you should work for Jewsitans JDF…oh wait a minute…they get their rockets from welfare from America. And you would never be able to work for Lockhead Martin with your martian assumptions. Plus Nuff said is not your style nor do you have copyrights on it, so go cry to Becky, in between insults on Twosret and even Mohamed who has wrongfully been nothing but polite to you yet you still insult even him cuz he disagrees with the Jewsitan baby killing machine. Retard.

    I actually despise all of you bitches here and you do not know that I will spend the rest of my life here along with a whole lot of the other people whom you humbly group us as being one and the same, until this site is over taken by pro Palestinians.

    Done deal!

    The good part about this all is that my country of origin has a fucking peace treaty with Jewistan so I don’t give a fuck I aint breaking any international laws. All I see is mayhem from a bunch of low life people that think it is ok to maim and kill a nation and build a fucking Hebrew nation on top of it. What kind of sick demented ruthless fuck me in the ass religion does that kind of a fucking thing? Oh, the religion of Jewsitan.

    I am proud, so proud that you guys all hate us so much but I venture in here like a fucking soldier. I do it with pride. this is as close as I will get to actually being able to let a cap off in one of you scum.

    I am anti Jewish, very fucking anti Jewish. You cock sucks stole the word Semite as if it only means Jews. So I am not anti Semite but I definitely am anti Jewish with a passion. I hate inbred scheming liars who invite you into their homes then spit on you after you leave.

    Now there, I said it. How come you blind fucks can’t express the same blind hate which you know you have for Christianity or Islam alike you scared conniving hypocrite’s.

    Nice try at a come back CarpetStain. You yourself said chasing whores on the MB thread but since you seem financially strapped like Egypeter, I guess you wouldn’t really know. BTW did you get a used iphone yet?

    Secondly plz do make a log in Sandmonkey so we can know he these bastards who talk down on Egypt really are but hide behind these handles that don’t lead to any websites etc.

    Thirdly mr. Stain, you are sad excuse for…well for just an excuse. I have seriously run out of words for a miss-congenial retarded idiot that knows how to type like yourself. Anytime someone insults your mother back, you scream sock puppet. BTW the name really is Mach bitch, and I wear it with pride, I hang out at the Shooting Club, a friend of the star Egyptian athletes going to the Olympics in 10 days. You wanna try and bitch slap me, by all means once you can afford a ticket, come to Egypt and give it your best shot. I will hyphenate your but cheeks and anyone else’s that say a God damn thing on this loser Zionist blog, so shut your cock holes.

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  270. Craig
    July 26, 2008 at 3:44 am

    As if I give a shit which of the losers you REALLY are, right? And in case you haven’t noticed, you aren’t the only one using multiple IDs in this thread?

    But anyone who foul mouths a woman is…get this….being themselves.

    So you are Mohamed, right? The Egyptian guy who threatened to come find me and teach me a lesson in manners a few months ago, when I was badmouthing Twosret? Still waiting for your email tough guy. I do love hearing about the proper way to treat a lady from an Egyptian man lol.

    By the way, seems to me you’ve been pretty “foul mouthed” with quite a few females on this blog, eh? In this thread, even. Dickhead. Send me that email, lets get this done. I’ll make sure you can’t operate a keyboard without having a pencil crammed between your teeth for the rest of your miserable life.

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  271. Craig
    July 26, 2008 at 3:57 am

    Twosret, you might wanna put a check on your cowardly friends who issue “anonymous” threats in your name. You aren’t the only one who knows how to file a lawsuit.

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  272. Mohamed
    July 26, 2008 at 4:01 am

    Craig,
    I’ve never used any other id except this one, seriously dude, your delusions and paranoia are reaching a clinical level, do you have someone to take care of you, or you’re on your own, because just by scientifically examining your way of thinking according to the Hobbins scale you are very unlikely to be functional (don’t mean socially functional of course, that’s been established to be non existent a long time ago, I mean everyday functions like dressing, bathing etc.), seriously man call for help, before you start losing the ability to even use the phone and start wondering why the hell is the calculator is ringing, this time I know what I’m talking about and I’m giving you this advice as a friend who really cares about you and wants you to be lie comfortably restrained to a bed in any mental institute of your choice for the next 50 years.

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  273. stt
    July 26, 2008 at 4:04 am

    boring

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  274. Craig
    July 26, 2008 at 4:11 am

    I’ve never used any other id except this one, seriously dude…

    Right. And I would believe that, why? And you are the same Mohamed who threatened me a few months ago for “badmouthing” Twosret, aren’t you? Seeing lots of similarities there, buddy. Twosret knows my name and knows where i live. I don’t take your threats on her behalf lightly.

    Twosret, this is too much. The verbal bullying and abuse was one thing, but the violent threats are criminal. If anyone who has been threatened in this thread contacts me and asks for your name and address, I’m going to give it to them. People have a right to investigate and pursue their legal options when they are being threatened, and all of these threats seem to revolve around you, for whatever reason.

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  275. brooklynjon
    July 26, 2008 at 4:19 am

    tedders,

    there’s this honey-based gluten free beer (kosher for passover, too!) that I’ve been itching to try. This could be my big excuse.

    Craig,

    I wouldn’t break bread with someone who was insulting me unless they were willing to put down the sticks and see what we agree on. It seems to me likely that Fathy and Hello Scum are the same person, and that person is consumed with hatred, and so I have no interest in spending an hour of my life with him or her, even if there’s some good maki involved.

    The sense that I have is that Mohamed is not made of the same stuff, and might make for an interesting discussion. And if not that, then the ensuing food fight would be entertaining and likely harmless. Especially with no forks or knives on the table. And I promise to leave the 12-gauge home. You too, Mo, okay?

    I may be wrong about either or both. But face it, absent talking, all we have is throwing rocks at each other, which rarely leads to anything good.

    bj

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  276. Mohamed
    July 26, 2008 at 4:26 am

    And what did I exactly say in my threats, you lying psycho. Please remind me, let me check how much of a pathological liar are you on the Higgins scale. Sorry, you weren’t lying, I forgot, your delusional mind was playing with you and letting you imagine and hallucinate some imaginary stuff, seriously man, see a psychiatrist fast.

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  277. Mohamed
    July 26, 2008 at 4:32 am

    Definitely BJ :) ,
    My only problem’s that I’m not really into sushi

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  278. Craig
    July 26, 2008 at 4:35 am

    It seems to me likely that Fathy and Hello Scum are the same person

    Mohamed was the first one who mentioned somebody named “Fathy” he used to know, when he asked Twosret of she remembered him. Then lo and behold, the faithy sock puppet appears. Mohamed threatened me on twosret’s behalf some time ago. Several of these sock puppets have made similar threats on twosret’s behalf in this thread. And not just against me. You want to be deliberately naive, that’s your business.

    From “hello Scum”:

    I hate inbred scheming liars who invite you into their homes then spit on you after you leave.

    Twosret told me a story about that happening to her, several years ago. This person is obviously not Twosret (his English is far too good) but my guess is it is somebody who knows Twosret. And hence, the threats on her behalf. It might even be her husband. Who knows. But, bj (and Tedders) who DO you think all these sock puppets are? You don’t really believe they ONLY have sock puppet IDs do you?

    And, Sandmonkey, you really should do something about this. Seriously. Twosret is going to cause a lot of problems for you.

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  279. Craig
    July 26, 2008 at 4:43 am

    And what did I exactly say in my threats, you lying psycho.

    Well, Twosret used her admin privileges on this blog to clean up after you. She cleaned up after herself at the same time. She’s nice that way. But she was in such a panic that she sent me spam emails trying to get me to “leave her alone” and blaming an innocent third party for causing all the problems between us. Unfortunately for Twosret, most of the “lies” that she claimed the third party had told me actually came from twosret, herself, and were told to me directly. By her. So it was kinda hard for me to buy into that one, if you know what I mean?

    have no fear, though. Sandmonkey’s archives (with your threats) are still in existence. Digital data never dies.

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  280. Mohamed
    July 26, 2008 at 4:48 am

    So why don’t you dig up the archives and paste them.
    Seriously man, you’ve got to seek medical help, I really feel sorry for you this time.

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  281. CarpetCaptain
    July 26, 2008 at 4:57 am

    I said chasing whores because thats precisely what I meant and its precisely what the Gulf crowd does when they’re in Egypt. If you have any doubt ask your mother. With regards to my financial status thats none of your business but for the record I’m in Egypt at least twice a year to visit family and i go on two weeks of holidays abroad every two months so chew on that.

    I do believe that you hang with the athletes as i’m sure every team needs a waterboy regardless of what they won’t achieve in the Olympics.

    “I will hyphenate your but cheeks and anyone else’s that say a God damn thing on this loser Zionist blog, so shut your cock holes”

    I’m shaking in my boots you coward terrorist piece of human excrement. Thats all you pieces of shit are good at is making hollow threats then having your asses hand to you when push comes to shove. I know your chicken shit type with the big mouth and small brain, typical Azhar garbage. You know the rough shape the country is in when your types are allowed al El Seid or Gezirah or any other half decent place. It goes to show the decline in the entire Egyptian society.

    Craig:

    “I do love hearing about the proper way to treat a lady from an Egyptian man lol.”

    Don’t go there buddy, its not an Egyptian that came up with the prayer of “thank you god for not making me a woman or dog”

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  282. Craig
    July 26, 2008 at 5:04 am

    So why don’t you dig up the archives and paste them.

    Dude, I don’t have the access to the original and unaltered archives for Sandmonkey’s blog. Sandmonkey doesn’t even have access to them. But they do exist. And they can be used as evidence. All Towsret accomplished by removing comments is to make herself look less obnoxious to other readers of this blog.

    Seriously man, you’ve got to seek medical help

    You have attention deficit disorder or something? You say that to everyone, in most of your comments.

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  283. Yanhar Teen
    July 26, 2008 at 6:17 am

    Yaaaaaa Mohamed, Allahi yekhrebaytak begad ana ha mooot.

    Ya saatir outoor ya Rab!!!!!

    …You made me spit blood, now I have to go to the hospital, I spat up my guts from laughing so fucken hard…lololo

    My friend had to come into the room and pull my neck up from my chest so i can breathe

    !….”Hobbins scale you are very unlikely….” & “seriously man call for help, before you start losing the ability to even use the phone and start wondering why the hell is the calculator is ringing,”

    The calculator eeheh heh heh heh Riiiinging

    Yanhar maskhara

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  284. twosret
    July 26, 2008 at 6:29 am

    So I work all day, take a nap, go to the airport feed my guests, try to relax and surf to find this?! Insanity at it’s best!

    Mohamed,

    Just ignore him and let him do what he wants to do. I WOULD LOVE for anyone to investigate all the identities on this thread and for the army to get involved :) maybe only maybe they will help him realize once and for all that he is seeing Twosret everywhere he goes! and he will get help for real.

    I have no freaking idea why he is spending a Friday night doing this to himself!

    Jay,

    Thanks but no Thanks.

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  285. Twosret
    July 26, 2008 at 7:01 am

    Mike,

    I have no clue who is who at this point but it is clear that someone is using different handles for a reason but for you to link any of them to me is absolutely BIZARRE! I’m afraid if you keep going with your hate and insults to me you will become Craig Junior.

    Now that I read Shlemzal blog I recall that this is his writings and his opinions. Does that mean he is right?

    You know Mike, i don’t recall ever insulting you, hating you etc….. but the amount of hate you have and your hate to anything that talks and walks Arab is appalling.

    Why on earth would you try to silence my views and or any news source news because YOU think it is not right?

    It is very hypocritical of you really because trying to link me to other people here is DISGUSTING!

    It is absolutely DISGUSTING to see a bunch of haters coming to an Egyptian blog abusing anyone who loves their country or their religion and accusing them left and right to silence them.

    Pathetic really! I swear to God I’m ready to puke by your likes Mike.

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  286. Twosret
    July 26, 2008 at 7:14 am

    Mohamed,

    Order Hibachi, udon, tempura you don’t have to do the raw stuff :)

    Tedders,

    Who said sans gluten? only bj will not eat gluten :) you and I will indulge :)

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  287. Yanhar Teen
    July 26, 2008 at 8:36 am

    I second that…for comment 303.

    It is absolutely DISGUSTING to see a bunch of haters coming to an Egyptian blog abusing anyone who loves their country or their religion and accusing them left and right to silence them.

    Although their abuse at best, are only attempts at abuse. They are actually abusing themselves.

    Actually I just read about Neukuri karta or something like that and that actually Israeli’s are considered ‘infidel Jews’ because Zionism is actually against Judaism hahaha how funny is that.

    Talk about a secular run away state assurping the name of Ishraol and , hastingly tryna floor itself in the Middle East. No wonder folks get mad when I mention their holy one – ROTHSCHILD GOD!

    There are forces hard at work in the Universe that usually do an extraordinary job in taking care of things like this, all by themselves.

    Relax!

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  288. HELLO SCUM
    July 26, 2008 at 8:43 am

    Actually Towsret, I am not new to the Sandmonkey blog, I have been around since 06 on and off. It is obvious however that Mohamed is a transient here but so far him and Craig have been able to bust my gut just dandy with their rhetoric.

    Good Job BTW handling all the fucking abuse!

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  289. franchie
    July 26, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    woa , good news, the people are still alive

    bad news they still cat-fight

    Hello Racoon, Bro-Jon, tedders…. etc, those that I forget the names

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  290. zalame
    July 26, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    leo @281, you live life following your way, I’ll live my life following mine. One of us will become a bitter old man. I conjecture it won’t be me.

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  291. Mohamed
    July 26, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Twosret,
    It’s sad and funny at the same time, no doubt the guy’s a paranoid schezophrenic who believes everything he says, John Nash’s beautiful mind couldn’t have imagined better conspiracies.
    Yanhar Teen,
    I reckon from your comment that you know who professor Hobbins is ,
    if you do, then definitely you’re the man :)

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  292. tedders
    July 26, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    ” No wonder folks get mad when I mention their holy one – ROTHSCHILD GOD!”

    Rolling my eyes, grinning and shaking my head… Who ever you are, we don’t get mad because you have a conspiratorial mind where all the worlds problems are neatly wrapped up on wives tales, assumption, innuendo and your personal prejudices. We’re not the least bit mad, we are however completely amused at your simpletons view of the world, your blaring teenage angst, your impotent rage at your unbalanced sense of justice and your enormous ego that assumes we actually contemplate or analyse your lame musings. The only lesson your teaching the readers here is that your opines are worthless, nay, even less than worthless, polluted and misguided at best. Rothschild, trilateralists, bilderbergers, jooooooooooo’s, little green men. What’s next is the only think I’m wondering. who’s going to be responsible for your failures tomorrow?

    Keep up the good work keeping us mad at your superhuman mad (laughing at you) by exposing our well crafted plans (your childish imagination) to take over the world!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJPFSNu_QNs

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  293. Craig
    July 26, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    I have no clue who is who at this point…

    That’s BS, Twosret. You have admin privileges on this blog.

    Speaking of which, I think most of us have seen you go in and delete your own comments (and the comments of your friends) when you reconsidered. Do you deny it?

    Just ignore him and let him do what he wants to do. I WOULD LOVE for anyone to investigate all the identities on this thread and for the army to get involved :)

    The Army? How long have you lived in the US, Twosret? lol.

    maybe only maybe they will help him realize once and for all that he is seeing Twosret everywhere he goes! and he will get help for real.

    Not just Twosret. Twosret and her friends. And not everywhere. just here. Which is one reason why I think this whole sock puppet crew is your crew. I wonder if “the Army” did investigate, how many of these fake personalities could be traced back to your facebook friends, for instance? :P

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  294. HELLO SCUM
    July 26, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    I SWEAR BY GOD, that my comment regarding ROTHSCHILD — GOD was pointed only at one person & one thing – TEDDERS. For a supposed Christian he is extremely nimble and quick to respond about any defamation about his GOD — ROTHSCHILD.

    It’s almost like how Ahmadinejad involves himself in Arab affairs even though he is not Arab.

    Things are definitely not what they seem on this blog.

    Mohamed,
    “The calculator ringing” lol

    Craig,

    Keep it up jr. lol Admin Privileges lol lol, plzzzzzz. Give me a break, what a loser.

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  295. EgyPeter
    July 26, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    “It’s almost like how Ahmadinejad involves himself in Arab affairs even though he is not Arab.”

    Sorta like Egyptians?

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  296. HELLO SCUM
    July 26, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Ajay, fuck off. Everyone knows Egyptians are Arabs. Only you wish that they weren’t because you have Egyptian written all over your face. The minute Arabs are in the good graces of the world, your hypocritical ass will be jumping up and down saying, I’m not black-I’m not African, see, look- I’m fucking Arab.

    Dude by Hobbins measures you feelings of inadequacy are of mega proportions.

    did you read your bot Carpi proclaiming he takes two vacations every two months and has an iphone, just like you.

    You guys never were anything in Egypt and that’s why you are the way you are.

    Zalame- you are absolutely right about not growing into bitter old men.

    Hey tedders -Rothschild Rothschild nanny nanny boo boo

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  297. HELLO SCUM
    July 26, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    tedders, more Zionist than the Zionists themselves!

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  298. tedders
    July 26, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    I SWEAR BY GOD, that my comment regarding ROTHSCHILD — GOD was pointed only at one person & one thing – TEDDERS. For a supposed Christian he is extremely nimble and quick to respond about any defamation about his GOD — ROTHSCHILD.

    Hey tedders -Rothschild Rothschild nanny nanny boo boo

    Boy, you’ve devastated me with your well thought out response! How do I attempt a comeback to such well a well researched, lucid argument as that! Sir, you are indeed an intellect beyond comparison of any living, nay, living or deceased human in all of history!! I lie prostate at your feet in humble reverence.

    NOT!!! :) does you entire family have spoodge for brains like you?

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  299. tedders
    July 26, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    “Should I go on?”

    Oh, please do!! What edition of, “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” do you use for your references?

    Enlighten us with your belief system by all means!!

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  300. tedders
    July 26, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Don’t forget the Illuminati, skull and crossbones, freemasons, north american and european trade unions in your list of secret societies that begin each meeting with:

    Pinky: “Gee Brain, what do you want to do tonight?”
    The Brain: “The same thing we do every night, Pinky—try to take over the world.”

    After you exhaust yourself on these, lets move on to the faked Apollo moon landings, the Loch ness monster, Elvis is still alive working at a Whataburger in Atlanta….

    Here’s a link to more of your obviously true yet hid from the masses world reality’s!!

    http://swallowingthecamel.blogspot.com/2007/08/worlds-weirdeststupidest-conspiracy.html

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  301. HELLO SCUM
    July 26, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Save your links- nobody opens them Zionist.

    No one needs ti research shit for your brains. Notice how you never insult anyones family unless they attck ROTHSCHILD, ROCKAFELLER or Zionism?

    Have a sore spot there do we?

    I rest my case!

    You are the gullible one…

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  302. HELLO SCUM
    July 26, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    Even if I call your whore wife who swallowed before she married you tedders and your whole fucking inbred family, you would just brush it off.

    But the minute I mention the fact that money & power corrupts, with Jews being the most powerful bankers in the world and the correlation thereof. You go ballistic.

    You have to work on that…Nanny Nanny boo boo

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  303. tedders
    July 27, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    “But the minute I mention the fact that money & power corrupts, with Jews being the most powerful bankers in the world and the correlation thereof. You go ballistic.”

    No, it just shows what a typical and non-creative thinker you are using prepackaged conspiracy theories that pitiful uneducated types thrive on. You don’t have the capacity to understand the world as it exists so you fall hook line and sinker for sweet simple little age old wives tales to explain the complex world for your childlike mind. Your grandiose sense of self-worth, your glibness and superficial charm fit together perfectly. You exhibit malignant narcissism, and narcissistic personality disorder, if you’ll do a bit of reading you’ll see that what people with that condition do is to project everything they hate about themselves onto a separate, hated person or group. That’s what Hitler did with the Jews, seems you fall into the same category. Knowledge is power, not conspiracy tales.

    The worldwide Jewish population is 13.3 million. Jewish population growth worldwide is close to zero percent. Worldwide population is 6,602,224,175. So, according to you, 0.196903% (less than 0,2% of the population, if every single Jew in the world is in on the “conspiracy”) of the worlds population controls and manipulates the going ons of the other entire 99.8030% of the worlds population, without any outward violence, military presence throughout the world, media campaign or even a newsletter to coordinate members. If Jews are really that powerful nobody in their right mind could fail to see that they are the chosen people, sadly for your beliefs, the truth is that they are not nearly as powerful as you assume they are. If you would look at your beliefs rationally you’d see how outlandish and improbable they are.

    Are Jews bad? Some of them are, some blacks are bad some whites are bad some Chinese are bad some Arabs are bad.

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  304. karen
    July 27, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Thanks for taking the time to point out how ridiculous IT is, Tedders :)

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  305. Becky
    July 27, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Hi Tedders:)
    I met you at another site-that will remain nameless-
    don’t want to spread the virus.

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  306. Becky
    July 27, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    I’m guessing SM-whoever he is- is losing a lot of new readers.

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  307. tedders
    July 27, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Thanks Karen and Becky!! :)

    “is losing a lot of new readers.”

    I think the same thing, the opinions by no means need to be monolithic, just the opposite actually but I wish SM would at least put a filter on that limits one name per IP address. Then maybe even some intelligent and just form of banning posters who continually lower the level of discussion to the lowest denominator.

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  308. Domo
    July 27, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Question to tedders; Of the 13.3 million Jews 5+ millions are in Isarel, now imagine (just imagine) the hypothetical peace between Isarael and Arab neigbours is matarialised. Now, the Arabs have nothing seriously to spend and waste their energy fighting about. Give them 20-30 years, ..peace..their energy spent learning, developing, producing, living their life and culture at their best (e.g Japan, S. Korea, China). Can you imagine Israel identiy survives in this background..I wonder..just wonder

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  309. tedders
    July 27, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    “Can you imagine Israel identiy survives in this background..I wonder..just wonder.”

    What a wonderful thought that is, if only that were the problem Israel and the middle east were concerned with.

    I would think the Israeli identity would survive but it would be different and ever so slightly changing as time went on as would be the surrounding Countries identities. After all, nothing is permanent, but change. I would think the entire middle east would blossom into a world economic leader in agriculture, manufacturing, tourism, import/export…

    The world would benefit as well as the entire region. With healthy economies comes freedom of individual choice (something the Islamists aren’t too cool with) better living conditions, happier children, adults and societies. It all seems too simple, too easy to understand and put into action. If your suggesting it as an Arab strategy way to undercut Israel and dilute it’s society I’m still all for it as long as there’s peace and no poverty. My vote is yes, the current method is obviously not working for anyone.

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  310. HELLO SCUM
    July 27, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Domo, Becky, Karen, Tedders are all the same Trolling maggot – sock puppet talking to himself, trying to purport the “IT” moniker away from himself. Poor IT, needs some serious Obama health care. Like fat, and right now!

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  311. Doyle
    July 27, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    So they either are the chosen people, proving a large margin of the so called conspiracy of ‘Hello Scum’s’ & hence you are contradicting yourself in your retort, or they simply are not the chosen people and nobody really needs to pay them any mind. I am tired of being called an anti Semite whenever one addresses this issue. However there must be a median, which you fail to find, as we all know that Jews are very influential in banking, politics – the lobby etc. Your retort was contradicting with your convalescence and fervor tedders, even though apparently well researched. But in fact you defeated the purpose.

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  312. Mike Nargizian
    July 27, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    #330 Twosret

    Mike,
    I have no clue who is who at this point but it is clear that someone is using different handles for a reason but for you to link any of them to me is absolutely BIZARRE! I’m afraid if you keep going with your hate and insults to me you will become Craig Junior.

    I don’t know who Craig or Craig Jr. is and don’t really have an interest in knowing… I provided a link to a comment you apparently made at a blog 2 years ago… the admin there got involved when you got insulted at something someone said to you… and the admin noted in a letter to you that you were citing Stormfront as a source to bash Jews…

    Now that I read Shlemzal blog I recall that this is his writings and his opinions. Does that mean he is right?

    It’s not an opinion… he was stating you made some statements in his blog and among other things cited Stormfront as a primary source…
    EITHER that is not you or it is and thus – another Twosret on the Internet commenting there… which seems doubtful?

    You know Mike, i don’t recall ever insulting you, hating you etc….. but the amount of hate you have and your hate to anything that talks and walks Arab is appalling.

    Ridiculous over the top melodrama… Don’t hate the real Sandmonkey and have several Arab friends… if I find some things you have stated hateful and repulsive – like quoting protocols and stormfront – than that’s hating someone for being a bigot and racist akin to Nazi taught hate… and so far you haven’t denied 1 shred of it…. so it’s like a hater calling someone a hater for calling them out on it…

    Why on earth would you try to silence my views and or any news source news because YOU think it is not right?

    Never tried to silence you… but are you stating you think citing Stormfront is an important right for you? If so, then you are agreeing that it was you that seeks to promote the views of an outfront Neo Nazi site? just as long as they’re bashing Jews mind you… what they might believe about Arabs or Muslims… well then they’re of course either wrong or just racist Islamophobes eh???

    It is very hypocritical of you really because trying to link me to other people here is DISGUSTING!

    I haven’t tried to link you to anyone but yourself… was that you that I found in that Google search from 2 years ago OR NOT? Simple YES or NO…

    It is absolutely DISGUSTING to see a bunch of haters coming to an Egyptian blog abusing anyone who loves their country or their religion and accusing them left and right to silence them.

    Again, more melodramatics… noone did anything of the sort… you simply want your right to hate Jews using neo fascist conspiracies… nothing to do with Egypt… but nice attempt at transferance though.

    Pattetic really! I swear to God I’m ready to puke by your likes Mike.

    No thanks, I’m not a big fan of puke… but you could answer the simple question of whether or not that was you found doing a simple Google search and stop obfuscating the question….

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  313. Obama-08
    July 28, 2008 at 12:03 am

    Mike get a life already you limp coward.

    You and Tedders, Craig, IT, and all you other bedlam wanna be adored, Zionist supremacist freaks are only worth so much time anyways. Including the those who want to get into your graces for god knows what reason, such as EgyButtter and CarfetCaffeine.

    Seriously.
    Go home already. Stay in the middle East then be prepared to hand it over just like south Africa did. Nuclear weapons will be destroyed, following in the footsteps of Mandela’s Soyj Africa after it was turned over to it’s rightful people, the victims of Apartheid.

    Till then, put a sock in it and go fuck yourself Mr. IT

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  314. tedders
    July 28, 2008 at 12:11 am

    “So they either are the chosen people, proving a large margin of the so called conspiracy of ‘Hello Scum’s’ & hence you are contradicting yourself in your retort, or they simply are not the chosen people and nobody really needs to pay them any mind.”

    Doyle,
    If that’s what you got from my post on 322, more power to you. I’m not here to tell you what to think one way or another, I only call them as I see them, I wasn’t raised in an environment that blamed all the worlds wows on a minority group. As far as the Jews being the chosen people or not, that’s up to you and your religious beliefs or lack of them, whichever suits the case. Even if you, or I for that matter, feel that Jews are God’s chosen people, your statement that that somehow validates ‘Hello Scum’s’ fairy tale belief system system misses me, could you elaborate more as to why you feel that way?

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  315. tedders
    July 28, 2008 at 12:27 am

    wows=woes

    Sorry ’bout that!! :)

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  316. tedders
    July 28, 2008 at 12:29 am

    “wanna be adored, Zionist supremacist freaks are only worth so much time anyways.”

    “Till then, put a sock in it and go fuck yourself Mr. IT”

    Run out of facts, start throwing insults. Such an admirable defense Barry! You’ve certainly convinced me of your lack of altruism. Is that the mouth you kiss your mother with?

    Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
    Martin Luther King, Jr.

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  317. EgyPeter
    July 28, 2008 at 2:15 am

    Reading tedders’ posts and Scumbag’s posts…it’s almost like listening to an adult trying to debate/reason with a little child.

    Someone needs to stick a bar of soap down It’s mouth and lodge it right in the middle of It’s wind pipe!

    SM, you also need to do something quick to prevent your blog from being hijacked by Internet Terrorists, they’re like the cyber-equivalent of Suicide Bombers.

    …waiting for It’s infantile insults to come flyin’ way

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  318. tedders
    July 28, 2008 at 2:59 am

    Hehehe..

    “…waiting for It’s infantile insults to come flyin’ way”

    In 3-2-1…

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  319. Obama-08
    July 28, 2008 at 3:08 am

    Duck bitch….cuz here come the insults ! Bam Bam bam in yo face biiiitch!
    ….Whatever!!!!

    We are obviously dealing with a maximum no. of protagonists posters here, say maybe 10 or 12 pseudo intellectuals at best.

    tedders & Craig being the most active of them & EgyButter and CarfetCafeine being their water boys.

    Notice comment 333 by tedders and how he is hyperventilating from these cat fights as if they really are, so called cyber terrorists attacks. Notice in the copy paste below how he not once, but twice bites his tongue in an attempt to try and make a decent argument but ends up stumbling out his words in his psychotic frenzy, stuttering out words TWICE on more than one occasion..um …um…um

    Even if you, or I for that matter, feel that Jews are God’s chosen people, your statement that that somehow validates ‘Hello Scum’s’ fairy tale belief system system misses me, could you elaborate more as to why you feel that way?

    um…um…um..system..system…that…that….um…um…um~

    Even Towrset said fuck this shit for a couple of days which goes to show you the scales haven’t been tipped yet! But when they do finally, it will be the magnificent — so called — seven that will be taking the vacation.

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  320. Obama-08
    July 28, 2008 at 3:44 am

    LOL @ Egypeter’s comment that was stolen from HELLO SCUM”S comment on the MB thread No. 190, LOL. Too Funny, lacking originality – monkey see monkey do..!

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  321. EgyPeter
    July 28, 2008 at 3:45 am

    That was quick!

    And a ‘pseudo intellectual’ is better than a ‘non intellectual.’

    But I admit EgyButter made me laugh

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  322. tedders
    July 28, 2008 at 3:53 am

    There’s nothing to duck Barry. Just smiling at your exhibit of rhetorical style, or complete lack thereof. :)

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  323. Obama-08
    July 28, 2008 at 5:16 am

    HA HAH HAH ………………..READ MY BUTT CHEEKS..Teddy & EBURT (EgyButters new name)

    NICE TRY — NOT!

    L – O – S – E – R – ‘S

    It’s in the stars, BALANCE will arrive, the scales will be tipped and you will lose!

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  324. ohio
    July 28, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Looks like SM took the job offerin souless Dubai !!!!

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  325. tedders
    July 28, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Is that all you got?

    You got nothing! You haven’t got any convincing argument or rhetoric, not that you ever have, so you jump on typo’s and correct grammar your little mind can’t wrap itself around then jump up and down shouting about your grandiose sense of self-worth and piousness in the presence of people who are completely aware of all your short comings, weak points, name calling, nana nana boo boo’s and your usual retort after being decimated, “whatever”. I’m surprised you haven’t pulled out, “talk to the hand”!
    So sophomoric, so immature and unhinged. You got nothing.

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  326. Twosret
    July 28, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Is there is a way I can ask a HUGE favor of not using profanity to express views. I do use a couple of words here and there sometimes but this is going too far.

    Really
    Please

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  327. brooklynjon
    July 28, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Without taking sides in this pie slinging contest, may I humbly address an issue that seems to crop up every now and again – that of chosenness.

    Antisemites seem to jump on this whole notion of “chosen people” as evidence of some sort of evilness inherent in the Jews. But of course, chosenness begs the question: Chosen for what? Can be get back to the historical actualities of, say, 15th century BC?

    Many small tribes had gods back then. In fact, they all did. Each tribe may have actually worshipped, but many had a god that they alone worshipped, with which (or whom?) they beleived they had a special relationship. The Philistines believed they had a special relationship with Baal. The Greeks with Zeus. The Romans with Jupiter. The Norsemen with Thor. These gods were presumed to have a special interest in the goings on of their nation – their so-called chosen people.

    Along comes a group of people called Bnei Israel, and they have a unique god called Ykwk (a deliberate misspelling, boys and girls). But they do something else unique – they unload all the other gods becuase, it turns out, Ykwk is uniquely jealous among the gods, and won’t allow Bnei Israel to worship them. In the original incarnation of Judaism, there is, in fact, not a belief that there is one god, but only that there is one god that the Jews are allowed to worship. AND IN EXCHANGE FOR A PROMISE NOT TO WORSHIP OTHER GODS, YKWK MAKES THEM THE “CHOSEN PEOPLE”.

    Now, this begs the question: Chosen for what? Good food? Peace? Luscious babes coast to coast? .
    No, according to Jewish theology, the Jews are chosen to be Ykwk’s messengers to the world promoting Ykwk’s vision of morality, ethics, and statecraft.

    Hey, wait a second. Don’t messengers of morality often get abused for delivering their message? Why yes, they do.

    So…the Chosenness of teh Jews is not really a good thing? Well, not, not really. It’s not so good. But it’s our task, and we have no choice but to do it, or Ykwk will kick our ass.

    So what big benefit do we get for this? Well, if we follow the 613 commandments, we get a share of the world to come.

    But, doesn’t everyone else get a share if they follow the more basic 7 commandments of Noah? Uh huh.

    So, can you opt out? Nope.

    But it doesn’t really make sense to convert in, does it? No, it doesn’t.

    The end.

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  328. brooklynjon
    July 28, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Erratum:

    “Each tribe may have actually worshipped”
    should be
    “Each tribe may have actually worshipped many gods”

    bj

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  329. tedders
    July 28, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    “But of course, chosenness begs the question: Chosen for what? ”

    Such a succulent point! Thanks bj

    Of course by acknowledging that Jews are Ykwk’s chosen people your proving, “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, the Rothschilds and various oher Jewish groups are in reality controlling the world!!

    (sarcasm mode off) :)

    Hope you had a great weekend!

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  330. Anon
    July 28, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    So please …the subject matter experts on this site;
    - Why soo.. many US presidents are Masonic? With their secretive missions?
    - Why the Bieldebergers are so secretive about their annual meetings, their locations, theiragenda,their discussions?
    - Aren’t the Rokeffelers, and Rothchilds involved in those meeting?
    - Don’t they have huge influence on the Federal Reserve decisions?
    - Why Hollywood never pursued these mysteries (particularly masonic connections)
    Now you can derive from your answers, why people are scarred of the NWO and the connection to the chosen people? since they are the people who control banks, media, and inside politics.

    .

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  331. brooklynjon
    July 28, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Anon,

    I know precious little about the Masons. And I don’t know about any special connection to the Jews there. I thought they were the keepers of the holy grail, or whatever, supposadely derivative from the Knights Templar.

    Bieldebergers? Never heard of them. But now that I know they’re not inviting me to their secret meetings, I’m gonna give them a piece of my mind.

    The Rokefellers? Who knows. Are they supposed to be Jewish? news to me.

    And who is supposed to have influence of Federal Reserve Bank decisions? I don’t get this. Not that the fed has all that much power anyway.

    All I can say, is that with all this power, how come Jews had such a crappy century? Between the Holocaust and the Stalin purges, we left the century with fewer than we stated it. All all of our purported power in the USA did nothing to stop it. Makes you stop and wonder…

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  332. brooklynjon
    July 28, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    And furthermore, if Jews wield so much power, how come I couldn’t get into any decent law schools, and therefore had to go to medical school?
    I called the Rothschilds. Did they ever return my calls? Not a one. Feh!

    bj

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  334. tedders
    July 28, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Yeah bj, I called the Rothschilds too. I’ve never once gotten a check from them to do any of their bidding! Goodness knows I’m willing!! :)

    For what ever it’s worth, here’s a list of the US Presidents that were masons:
    George Washington
    James Monroe
    Andrew Jackson
    James Polk
    James Buchanan
    Andrew Johnson
    James Garfield
    William McKinley
    Theodore Roosevelt
    Howard Taft
    Warren Harding
    Franklin Roosevelt
    Harry Truman
    Gerald Ford

    Here’s a video put out by today’s Mason’s.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x42AGtb0jkw

    Seems they’re losing the demographic race and are opening up in a bid to get new members. They’ve even opened some museums to attract public interest because of falling membership.

    http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/tableofcontents.htm

    Hitler used the Freemasons and “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” among other myths, prejudice and lies to libel Jews and anyone else who the wanted to destroy and confiscate their assets. If you’ve ever tried to read, “Mein Kampf”, the gobbledy goop mass of baloney and falsehoods that Hitler took as fact (I hope no one has, I tried and my head still hurts from the experience!) then you’d know what a wingnut He was, if you’ve ever wondered what Adolf was about, I suggest you get the Cliff note version!! Point being, if the little corporal believed it, it’s probably not true or relevant. Hitler believed ferverntly in all the conspiracies that have been discussed in this forum. Hitler’s weltanschuang was wrong, his entire belief system and moral code system was wrong. His belief in the conspiracies discussed here are proof enough for me that they are just that, unprovable conspiracy theories. People believe all sorts of things. If they hold them dear to their heart, there’s no talking them out of them. My dear Grandmother born in 1895 and passed away, God rest her soul, in 1983 always believed the story about the moon landings being faked. I went out of my way to systematically prove to her that we really did land on the moon but her 19th century mindset wouldn’t allow her to accept the fact. If you want to base your world view on wives tales innuendo and falsehoods, be my guest, but don’t be surprised when one day you wake up and find out the house of cards you’ve built has fallen down.

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  335. brooklynjon
    July 28, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Yes, tedders, but the beauty of conspiracy theories is that the less evidence there is for them, the better the cover up, and hence, the juicier the conspiracy. By there very essence, conpiracy theories are indefeasable (to use a logic term, tossed in to impress my detractors into blind obeissance to my opinions, although by mentioning it, I may have reduced its utility to accomplish this).

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  336. tedders
    July 28, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    “(to use a logic term, tossed in to impress my detractors into blind obeissance to my opinions, although by mentioning it, I may have reduced its utility to accomplish this)”

    Hey! Your mocking my rhetoric now!! ;)

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  337. brooklynjon
    July 28, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Hey! That’s a rhetorical kvetchin’!

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  338. Roman Kalik
    July 28, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    BJ, Anon’s post has reminded me just why there is so little sense in trying to explain the facts to conspiracy theorists.

    Time and time again, they show that facts don’t actually play a part in their equation.

    But hey, don’t mind me, I’m busily developing the communication protocols the Illuminati will use in the microchips to be injected into every single person on the planet. The communication satellites are already in place, the media and world economy are in the palm of our hand, and the Dawn of the New World Order is at hand!

    Bow to us, puny fools! Bow, I say! Are you bowing, BrooklynJon, or perhaps you are one of the Elevated Caste?

    So much disinformation around these days, you see. Can’t tell who is who anymore. ;)

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  339. tedders
    July 28, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    Exactly Roman! Communication protocols, the Illuminati, the Dawn of the New World Order is at hand! I think that’s what this short video has in mind!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJPFSNu_QNs

    When all this takes place just remember I was an early supporter! Right Roman!! ;)

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  340. Twosret
    July 28, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    bj and tedders,

    Are you having a love fest here? don’t you take advantage of me being busy and not in the mood. I will come to ruin ur party soon.

    Stay tuned!

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  341. Twosret
    July 28, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Egypeter,

    And Umar did hit a nerve for sure LOL! if you were not cute in Turkey I would have said something else :)

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  342. brooklynjon
    July 28, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Two,
    Hey, If you can go to Turkey with Egypeter, I can go with tedders, right?

    Roman,
    You’re right, a good conspiracy theory, properly concocted, is corroborated by everything.

    “So much disinformation around these days, you see. Can’t tell who is who anymore. ”

    *unzips full body costume*
    Haha! I’ve been eee all long, you Zionist pig dogs! Collecting your secret information to foil your evil plots!

    bj (I mean, eee)

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  343. tedders
    July 28, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    *blushing*

    Yes Twos, we’re going to have gluten free beer and sushi!
    :)

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  344. twosret
    July 28, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    I am seeing closets and people walking out of them LOL!

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  345. brooklynjon
    July 28, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Hmmm, I wonder if they have gluten free beer in Turkey….

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  346. twosret
    July 28, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Egypeter will never take me he will leave me behind locked up in a dark room :(

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  347. brooklynjon
    July 28, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    Locked up in a dark room? Sounds like my ritualistic torture when I’m on call at the hospital. Egypeter, have you been using my on call room?

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  348. Twosret
    July 28, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    I wish he is using a cold dark basement lol!

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  349. tedders
    July 28, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    What’s all this closet and cold dark basement talk? What I do will be in clean bright disinfecting sunlight for the whole world to see!!

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  350. brooklynjon
    July 28, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    With me, right tedders?

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  351. tedders
    July 28, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    “The black beer with the blonde soul”

    Derive whatever you may from that statement!! :)

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  352. tedders
    July 29, 2008 at 12:11 am

    However, while it is likely that most coeliacs will be able to drink beer at under 20ppm such as Budweiser or beer made with rye malt (in moderation) without causing themselves any harm, it is likely that each person has a different level at which an autoimmune response will be activated and there is some debate over the gluten “level” acceptable to coeliacs.

    Only goes to say what I’ve always thought about Budweiser beer!!! :)

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  353. Anon
    July 29, 2008 at 1:27 am

    Thanks Tedders for the rich info helping bj in #356. While you’re on the roll can you explain the nature/history of the Bielderberg meetings? can you explain how the Federeal Reserve is a private entity? the US $ is not American $ it’s Federal Reserve Note!! Check this site; http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm . How come the “MEDIA” is so obediant in not discussing any of the above ? or they are buisy covering Brangelina’s twins? how come Hollywood mentions next to nothing about public perceptions of “free-masons” right or wrong!!

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  354. CarpetCaptain
    July 29, 2008 at 1:46 am

    Tedders and Peter dont even get me started on what you Yanks call beer. Your should learn a thing or two from your good neighbours north of the 49th;)

    “You and Tedders, Craig, IT, and all you other bedlam wanna be adored, Zionist supremacist freaks are only worth so much time anyways. Including the those who want to get into your graces for god knows what reason, such as EgyButtter and CarfetCaffeine.”

    Scumssucker/eater:

    Yes us non homicidal morons are trying to carry favour with the Jooos because we’re all in on the Jewish conspiracy your retarded piece of human excrement. Like Tedders pointed out your intellect is hampered by prepackaged Azhar bullshit theories. Isnt it a little lame minded to blame the majority of the world’s problems on under 15 million people?

    Dont you see anything wrong with 400 million useless Arabs sitting around huffing and puffing about a ittle country smaller than any of the Iraqi provinces. Your hero Captain Nasrallah half destoyed Lebanon to atention whore to his Iranian masters (who as you may not know aren’t arabs). Fuck you’re stupid. How do you manage to breath without hurting yourself?

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  355. Obama-08
    July 29, 2008 at 1:52 am

    I think ROTHSCHILD AFFILIATES MAY BE SENDING YOU CHECKS IN TH EMAIL INDEEED.

    Here I am, actually having to leave here to go make some money, because I actually have a life and a job. Next thing I know, tedders is stalking himself and praising his alter ego. Saying you got nothing – you got nothing!

    To be honest trying to debate with a person 3 senses short of the 5 senses isn’t my bowl of soup. Thanks tho for actually re reading your post this time and not dispensing double and triple repeated words. Looks like the beer with the meds have actually done some good in calming the undesirable affects of being a member of the Bleeding Hearts Church, while trying to duck & weave your way to temporary reprieve before your next covert slalom to try and put a baklava bomb under a chair in a homos cafe while you and the boys grab a cold one at an infidel sushi bar.

    How mature indeed. You amuse me with your 135 word vocabulary. I said the scales will be tipped, therefore they will be tipped. You got that freak.

    ACTUALLY BROOKLYN WALL — The chosen one means that Benni Israel were chosen over all peoples AT THAT TIME to represent God’s message. Anyone one who signed up for the 40 year summer camp was a bani Israel at the time. Converting Jews go on to tell how God has favored them from even before they transgressed multiple times, as was the case with the golden calf. Ultimately it is the influence thru usury that allows the Jews the formidable influence they have.

    Just look at yourselves as the perfect examples or any politician that opposes non kosher Israel. They get sacked before you can say the word. Smear campaigns and defamation’s add infinitum til they actually want to leave office. Just like they were hoping the Palistinians would, but the neighbors said screw that, if we let them in then you guys win. just like Castro let his people leave, he didn’t care, but ultimately they get sent back.

    Bottom line….there is no bottom line. Unto you your religion and unto me mine.

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  356. twosret
    July 29, 2008 at 1:53 am

    “Dont you see anything wrong with 400 million useless Arabs sitting around huffing and puffing about a ittle country smaller than any of the Iraqi provinces.”

    So what do you suggest exterminate the Palestinians? put them in Gas chambers or burn them alive?

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  357. Obama-08
    July 29, 2008 at 2:00 am

    CarfetCaffeine, are you trying to tell me you are considering EgyButter (Samna) a yankee and yourself a Canadian? Have you no shame? How did you squeez out of your moms orfice without any good old fashioned (Samna) EgyButter & hot water. Please don’t try and tell me you were born in a hospital either, please spare me.

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  358. Mike Nargizian
    July 29, 2008 at 2:17 am

    who are you even recognizing that it is here… just don’t read anything he says and move on… it needs/CRAVES screamming for attention….

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  359. HELLO SCUM
    July 29, 2008 at 2:28 am

    tworset Precisely, just exterminate the Paistinians, kill them all thise cowards, bred on hate from their childhooid. Al Azhar garbage people, fucking Arabs, Muslims, Jews, Christians alike. They speak arabic kill them all. The people you exchange pleaasantries iwth are all racist right wing haters honey.

    Where’s that dumb ass Craig. I only come here now to read his infatuation with you and to hear CarfetCaffeine and Butter and to laugh at these other racists.

    Mike please go dig up whats left of your piece of shit Jewish grandfather and kick his skull and then do the same to your grandmother you piece of shit. When you ass holes can’t answer or at best give a tedders response, you all scream the same shit, kill, ignore, waaah waaaah!

    What fucking kind of a name is Nargizian anyways you dumb fuck. Like little teddt bear said…

    YOU GOT NOTHING BOY!

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  360. tedders
    July 29, 2008 at 2:50 am

    Barry, are you drunk? You write like you are. Yeah, I work to, I’ll bet you a dollar two ninety eight that I make 3 to 14 times what you make if not more, I’ll guarantee you that, It comes from higher education and a rational thought process, you probably wouldn’t understand.

    “in a homos cafe while you and the boys grab a cold one at an infidel sushi bar.”

    The real Barry shows his colors, not very attractive.

    “You amuse me with your 135 word vocabulary.”

    You’re one to be talking, what semester in high school did you drop out in?

    “Ultimately it is the influence thru usury that allows the Jews the formidable influence they have.”

    And might want to take your meds quickly!

    Hey CarpetCaptain, I never said American beer was anything near beer! Did you see the link I left bj about the black beer with the blonde soul? My last favorite was Velkopopovický Kozel we discovered in Prague last year. I can’t say enough about this beer. Maybe it had something to do with the two plates of wild boar, mashed potatoes, garden salad, bread and 1/2 a liter of beer each we got in Prague for $9 US dollars gratuity included!!! You gotta go to Prague!! You’re right, the typical US beer sucks. I don’t buy or drink them. There are a few micro breweries that make decent beer and if I ever make it to New York I’ll try some gluten free varieties but I’m pretty selective when it comes to the beer I drink. I’ll have to look into the Canadian brews again!

    http://www.servaali.fi/midcom-serveattachmentguid-c342aca45a1611dc8e1b9bdeea5df80df80d/vk31.jpg

    God bless y’all!!

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  361. tedders
    July 29, 2008 at 2:54 am

    Hey Barry, ya still got nuthin!! :)

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  362. tedders
    July 29, 2008 at 2:59 am

    bj!

    “a former Chemical Engineer”

    I think I understand now!!

    Industrial Engineer here!!

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  363. Obama-08
    July 29, 2008 at 4:25 am

    I have you dear tedders and that’s more than i could ask for. I have you in your paranoid delusional frantic self presumed supremacist mode. Who ever does not bow down to the Semite Church will be smiten ha hah hah.

    READ MY NAME TEDDERS, I made it especially for the likes of you – HELLO S – C – U – M, yes that’s you tedders. What the fuck name is a tedders any ways God damn it!If I am drunk it aint none of your God damn business you warlock.

    Listen to your inflated ego, talking about how you think you make way more money than I do. Who gives two fucks, cuz I don’t.

    Now the trophy is here with your correlation to me having to take meds with any remote mention of fact, contra0judaism. You remind me of Pastor Clark who said who ever is an enemy of the Children of Israel (Even if they rape your mom) is an enemy of God!

    You are a pitiful specimen of self entitlement with no direction in your life. You are a fucking hobbit. But by all means…keep trying.

    You are the one who thinks he has got everything. I like all under dogs am the face of resistance, against tyranny. You on the other hand think that you are king fucking Midas, thinking your shit don’t stink.

    @ ANON of course TEDERS can’t answer your question, don’t you know you are asking a totally unqualified partisan, to explain things beyond hos presumed level of intelligence. all he can do is claim to be of a higher education and copy paste stuff of of CIA world fact book. he knows fuck all about Bilderberg.

    He is the one one who knows fuck all! Man I feel sorry for your son, send him to Israel!

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  364. CarpetCaptain
    July 29, 2008 at 8:31 am

    “So what do you suggest exterminate the Palestinians? put them in Gas chambers or burn them alive?”

    I think that left to their own will they’ll exterminate themselves. Take a look at the places they control, both are complete shitholes. At the time that they have a common enemy to unite together against they go split up and start killing each other and mking life more difficult for their ow people. They had the option to make peace god knows how many times and each time they came back with unrelaisitc expectations that threw a dent in the whole process. Remember a man called Sadat and what he tried to do for them?

    Fuck the Palestinians until they can start behaving like civilized humn beings and are ready to accept whats available to give. They lost and thats the consequence of losing a war along with selling their own land.

    Tedders:

    Prague has definitely been on my to do list (for more reasons than one), except that everytme i’m ready to head out of town I end up either in South America or Egypt lately. Hey did you try the Czech Budweiser when you were down there? I had a chance to have a few at a friend’s bbq lately, I never thought i’d drink Bud in a non Bud sponsored event where it was the only beer served. We have a ton of great micros here in BC. My favs are Granville Island, Okanagan Springs and Alexander Keiths from the east. I’ve actually had a few good micro brews in Seattle, Boston and Houston.

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  365. leo
    July 29, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    twosret @ 380,

    “So what do you suggest exterminate the Palestinians? put them in Gas chambers or burn them alive?”

    There is one more option (my favorite) 400M Arabs have not offered yet:
    How about accepting Palestinians as your brothers you claim they are and stop your useless huffing and puffing?

    Interestingly enough you are not even considering this.
    Do you even realize that your hate for Israel is resulting in your hate for Palestinians instead?

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  366. tedders
    July 29, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    “I have you in your paranoid delusional frantic self presumed supremacist mode. Who ever does not bow down to the Semite Church will be smiten ha hah hah.”

    Did you mean, smited? Beause smiten means, to captivate; be in love.
    If you did mean smiten I think all your rantings about homosexuals makes a bit more sense now, …projection. If you meant smited, then it means your not too pretty smart trying to express yourself. Maybe you should have dropped out of school earlier since what they tried to teach you hasn’t been put to use.

    You are D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L

    Good luck with that!!
    :) :)

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  367. Doyle
    July 29, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Seriously no more comments here if they are all going to be so childish and rude. Everyone one is just spewing out the same old jargon they hear their click speaking, yet relatively no one was in these trouble zones year ago when all the action was taking place..

    Mr. Scum & Obama, take a chill pill will ya.

    As for tedders, you are a dad, please lead by example. That remark sounded homophobic as i am sure you intended it to be. That exhibits the worst the West has to offer.

    What I meant by my comment is, that your well researched retort at Mr. Hello Scum had a very wide opening in it. You were purporting that Jews are a small minority group that couldnt possibly have so much power but then went on to say, if they do have such power then there you have it, it is because they are in fact the chosen people of the world. I hope you didn’t misunderstand my comment, that’s why I waited a couple of days for things to cool off but it seems they haven’t much.

    CarpetCaptain, you mentioned B.C. eh? I studied a few semesters at SFU.I dated a Lebanese girl who used to attend weekly gatherings of the Arab union every Wednesday at the Starbucks on Robson st. Did you ever attend one of those. Most importantly, did you ever try Sleaman’s Honey Brown. That is the greatest beer ever, period.

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  368. twosret
    July 29, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Carpet Captain,

    I read somewhere you a friend of Egypeter. If it is true Egypeter have bad choices in his friends. Really bad.

    You are ignorant and not worthy of a reply.

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  369. EgyPeter
    July 29, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    If Scum and Obama are as serious and passionate about their hatred for the ‘Little Satan’ and all things Jewish, as they claim to be…what the hell has stopped you from going on one of those Suicide Bulldozer missions in Israel?? I hear they end fairly well for you guys.

    Seriously, think about fellas.

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  370. EgyPeter
    July 29, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Um, yeah, speak for yourself twosret.

    I disagree with you.

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  371. CarpetCaptain
    July 29, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    Doyle:

    Never went to the starbucks gatherings on Robson and Thurlow, I only went to SFU for my grad. studies and that was at Harbour centre d/t. The Lebanese chick i was dating preferred Bar None and Au Bar ;)

    Sleeman Honey Brown is pretty good but its an Ontario product :D so it doesn’t count. It does go well though with BC’s finest.

    Twosret:

    I’m amazed that out of all people you’re giving advice on people’s choice of friends when you want to go break bread with the likes of Mohammad / Clean/scum or whatever Its called Itself today. Enjoy your utter disconnection from reality that you float in ;)

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  372. Twosret
    July 29, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Carpet Aladin,

    You can only dream to be decent as Mohamed. I break bread with him anyday even better Sushi!

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  373. Twosret
    July 29, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Go and wash your mouth with clorox Captin

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  374. Obama-08
    July 30, 2008 at 1:35 am

    Twosret forget about these loopy goopy’s, you are wasting your time. They are both disgruntled Copt’s. Those damn preachers in Egypt are lamenting hate against Muslim’s left and right, give up on them already it wont work, they are on a crusade. I very smart tactic in my opinion, thinking that they will continue to get multiple religious persecution visa’s. Even Sawiris is closing shop and heading to the hills. I don’t see that kind of hate within you for some reason, which goes to show that it’s all about finesse

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  375. EgyPeter
    July 30, 2008 at 2:29 am

    “Those damn preachers in Egypt are lamenting hate against Muslim’s left and right, give up on them already it wont work, they are on a crusade.”

    LOL! Seems you have your facts mistaken again. Wrong religion bro! :)

    And by ‘crusade’ do you mean what those Arabs did to those ‘damn preachers’ at the 4th century Abu Fana Monastery when they were just recently assaulted with AK-47′s over, um, a ‘land dispute?’ Is that what you mean by ‘crusade?’

    “Even Sawiris is closing shop and heading to the hills.”

    Right. And it’s not the ‘Christianization’ of Egypt that’s causing this brain drain!

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  376. Doyle
    July 30, 2008 at 2:44 am

    So CarpetCaptain you dated a Lebanese girl as well eh? Seeing that ¾ of Arabs living in B.C. are Lebanese, that doesn’t surprise me one bit! Especially from a W. Hastings guy like yourself, lol! Harbour Centre – would you be referring to City University by any chance before it moved to Pender st.? One of Canada’s richest men, Calvin Ayre went to school there, http://www.bodoglife.com/en/media-room/calvin-ayre/about-calvin-ayre.html

    If you are referring to SFU however http://www.vancouver.sfu.ca/
    Did you know that the Egyptian Judiciary – Dr. Adel Omar Sheriff deputy Chief Justice of The Supreme Constitutional Court of Egypt will be speaking at the MJW Centre for Dialogue 580 W Hastings on August 13th, please do try and attend.

    Hmm so that’s pretty interesting, so what is it exactly that you do up there that allows you to be so privileged to live in one of the world’s finest cities? I miss the North West & South Western B.C. area, it is a really good go if you ask me. Talk about incredible cuisine, makes what you can get anywhere else seem like fast food.

    My oh my what a small world it is indeed, that’s why I say we all just get along!

    Cheers

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  377. Mike Nargizian
    July 30, 2008 at 3:04 am

    Speaking of company you keep Twosret… the local racist sewer neo fascist trash psycho…. in need of meds and a life.

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  378. CarpetCaptain
    July 30, 2008 at 3:21 am

    Doyle I was referring to SFU, they do the exec. MBA classes down there.

    I’m going to see what my schedule is like closer to that time and maybe head over and check it out.

    How long ago did you leave Vancouver and whereabouts did you end up? It truly is an amazing city although nightlife mid week could be a little weak.

    You’re right its a small world!

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  379. CarpetCaptain
    July 30, 2008 at 3:30 am

    Turette

    “Go and wash your mouth with clorox Captin”

    Go have your head examined you’re clearly delusional.

    ScumBag:

    The day that what you fantasize about happens is the day that Egypt goes back to the stone ages (a step behind the dark ages its in ). Copts are there to stay dipshit regardless of your likes and your homicidal maniac racist scumbag buddies. The difference between us Copts and you is that entry into Guantanamo doesn’t require a visa so we opt for the hard way and get a visa. You on the other hand like having your head flushed down a toilet (which is your perogative of course) so you opt for military transport with blindfold but then u live your life blindfolded from reality by what your scumbag preachers tell you on your friday sermons.

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  380. Obama-08
    July 30, 2008 at 4:12 am

    Hey Dip shit! Flag yourself already please! Your presumptuousness is void of any merit. Copts will be here to stay it’s just that Copt’s of your type, searching for a better life, do exactly what you claim, by blaming everything on the Muslims, as you say the Muslims blame everything on the Israeli fascist Jews.

    What a futile tug of war and blaming game you are involved in. You say you did a masters but still you are typical of a unweeded garden its in your genes. even Radovan Karadzic had a degree but it didn’t do much for his humanity. seriously, if you could afford the soap, wash your ass, your mouth, your familys moiuth etc. You never answered me, don’t tell me you were born in a hospital, but thanks for not denying the fact that you weren’t.

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  381. Mohamed
    July 30, 2008 at 7:25 am

    Thanks Twosret, same here :) .

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  382. Twosret
    July 30, 2008 at 7:49 am

    You are welcome Mohamed

    Cheers!

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  383. CarpetCaptain
    July 30, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    Scumsucker:

    Are you retarded? you say ” Your presumptuousness is void of any merit. Copts will be here to stay it’s just that Copt’s of your type” then the following post you say : “Even Sawiris is closing shop and heading to the hills……”

    You say onething and turn around and try and refute it with another dumbass statement you cairo sewer eater.

    As far as my education and whether I was born in a hospital or a barn thats none of your business, I’m not here make friends with scum like you, just to bitch slap you.

    Now crawl back into your little cave.

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  384. Twosret
    July 30, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Mike,

    Why are you so thick and you don’t get that I’m ignoring your hypocritical self?

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  385. Anon
    July 30, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Is this the end road for this blog? Is SM ou of town? did he accept the job offer in Dubai? or Abu-Dubai (I don’t remember)? it is becoming rediculously shalow/stupid.

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  386. Anon
    July 30, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Sorry for my quick hand typos. I meant; ridiculously shallow/stupid

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  387. tedders
    July 30, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Unbelievable EgyPeter!

    ” because of men using them as a means of making passes at women”

    Heaven forbid two consenting adults actually talk to each other! We might have to kill them and all their families to erase the dishonor generated!! LOL :)

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  388. brooklynjon
    July 30, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    I understand Saudi electrical engineers are looking for a way to neutralize the magnetic field associated with a variety of types of “Babe Magnet”.

    For instance, they have determined that all sports cars should be painted an ugly green color and remain unwashed. Anyone with a convertible will be required to have spinach between their teeth while driving to neutralize the babe magnetism.

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  389. twosret
    July 30, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Darn it! I should have noticed that this is what the owner of the two most beautiful dalmatians was trying to do the other day. How dare him?!

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  390. brooklynjon
    July 30, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    The Babe Magnetic Field (BMF) of Dalmatians shall be neutralized with the canine burkha. The Canurkha.

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  391. tedders
    July 30, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    And for cats, the Felurkha!

    Gerbilurkha
    Bunniburkha
    Iguanaburkha
    Monkeyburkha!!
    :)

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  392. Wishbone
    July 30, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    What the Billy Shears happened here?

    I remember when this place was almost sane.

    Think I’ll wander back once an exorcist has given the place a once over…………..

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  393. Mike Nargizian
    July 30, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    I don’t live on this comments thread twosret so wasn’t aware or cared enough to read into anything… plus, if you were ignoring me you wouldn’t have typed that last message to me.

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  394. Anon
    July 30, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    I mention/ask question about SM whereabout and get total oblivions from all repetitive commentators including SM. One can seriously conclude how fake all these entities are. Typical Egyptians!!? No I am not Israeli I am Egyptian is that qualifies as “Semite”!!!

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  395. Howie
    July 30, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Anon–

    I get the feeling Monkey took a powder…

    Either working in Dubai and/or threw in the towel on blogging or just way too busy with other stuff besides paying attention to this silliness.

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  396. Obama-08
    July 31, 2008 at 1:56 am

    Carpet captain was born in a barn hah hah hah.

    Now he is taking his resentment of the world out on any non profit that renounces cowardism and advocates justice, especially if that means Islam.

    Yo should have your student visa revoked for racism and scum like attributes.

    You never worked or been around Arabic speakers you claim, so care to tell us readers why you claim to be able to read fluent Arabic, linking to Arabic articles, and also why then your English is at a fourth grade level.

    If anything, anyone is entitled to his or her retarded views here, but a little credibility would be nice.

    about the bitch slap and the sewage pipes. Talk to mack, you know where to find him coward. Oh, hows saving for that iphone coming along?

    You are a fucking peasant 12 year old, spit for spat, what a ridiculous piece of excrement you are. My dog could say “Go Zionists – Fuck Muslims, Egyptians are not Arabs and the likes of other ridiculous comments like that and get more praise than you.”

    This is so intriguing

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  397. Doyle
    July 31, 2008 at 7:57 am

    Captain, my dad’s from Buffalo, mom’s from Lady Smith B.C.. I attended high school in Bellevue Wa., freshman year SFU Burnaby campus, left B.C. in 01. Go back to visit sometimes – Whistler.. Now residing in Buffalo.

    What’s your story :) ?

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  398. EgyPeter
    July 31, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    O’Bama – You wanna call yourself a filthy and disgusting ‘Arab’ go right the fuck ahead.

    But don’t you dare generalize about the rest of us Egyptians. There ain’t a drop of Arab blood in my body…my DNA is 100% Egyptian!

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  399. Obama-08
    July 31, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    There he goes the Ajay Peter with his wingding, he thoroughly fell for it.

    Mind asking him anybody where he gets his facts from?

    He probably gets it from the translation of the word copt from Arabic which means “original” or “native” that’s where he gets the fallacy of Copts being purely Egyptian. even though – SPEAKING ARABIC – yet he still considers them not to be Arabs. I mean WTF?

    Notice the snear in his voice and how he said disgusting filthy Arabs.

    A little racist are we?

    To add insult to injured retardeness, the official language of this country he claims to be ethnically tied to speaks only Arabic.

    Beats the hell out of me why he hasn’t withdrawn already into the abyss.

    It is pure sarcasm to even converse with this guy!

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  400. Obama-08
    July 31, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    You know what, it seriously appears to me that we are from totally opposite ends of the spectrum so this is where I bow out. I feel like I am trying to inflict pain on a bunch of retards and if I were to succeed, I would inevitably only feel remorse so….I’m out of here! I have better things to do then try and inflict discomfort on the morrally challenged. Expect this place to be swarmed with 500 pro palistinians come Monday he hee.

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  401. EgyPeter
    July 31, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Riiiiight. And you’ll also tell me – “Well, then why is it called the ‘Arab’ Republic of Egypt and what about the ‘Arab’ League?’”

    It’s the same lame talking points I hear E-V-E-R-Y time. Step up your intellect and THEN come debate with me.

    Call yourself whatever the hell you want. “Imbecile” might be best suited. But I, myself, am an ETHNIC Egyptian. I’ve been taught that since day one and not since 9/11 as some other moron suggested here! You can’t possibly have it both ways. Arabs are the tent dwellers that are directly due east of Egypt, Egyptians built Ancient Egypt. What exactly do they teach you in Egyptian Elementary Schools??

    So which one is it? Did Egyptians magically turn into Arabs during the Arab Invasion of the 7th century, when most Egyptians converted to Islam by the 18th century or when Nasser decided to change the name of the country in the 20th century?

    Or maybe Ancient Egyptian were ‘Arab’ and just didn’t know it?

    Hmmm…

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  402. Andrew
    July 31, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    You are awfully scanty st. Petersburg, your logic is quite foiled..

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  403. Anon
    July 31, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Egypeter;
    I thought Copt Egyptian first sent “invitation” for the Arab to protect them from the “Evil authority “of the “Roman Catholic Church. And you know what, bein arabs they misspelled “invitation” and read it as “invation”. Andthe story after that is the ugly history of Egypt. Don’t Egyptian feel responsibility for that path? The sure should.

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  404. EgyPeter
    July 31, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    Although my point was “scanty” and “foiled”…my question still stands.

    At one point exactly, in Egypt’s 5000 years of glorious existence, did Egyptians start becoming Arab?

    It’s a simple question that I have NEVER been able to get an answer for.

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  405. tedders
    August 1, 2008 at 2:49 am

    EgyPeter, Andrew is 19.

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  406. The Egyptian Sandmonkey
    August 1, 2008 at 3:50 am

    Very intelligent tedders, how much does an education like that cost?

    Tedders higher education enabling him to intelligently retort.

    Snickering out loud :)

    Egy Peter will roll in to do the same soon, keep your eyes open.

    So please keep your camera’s rolling folk’s, oh and someone please go wake up danny, tedders son to witness all this.

    See you soon!

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  407. brooklynjon
    August 1, 2008 at 5:29 am

    ES,

    An aposprophe is only used for possessives and contractions. Not for simple plurals, like “cameras” and “folks”.

    bj

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  408. tedders
    August 1, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    ¿”danny, tedders son to witness all this.”?

    Hehehe, the fake Sandmonkey no too pretty good at grammar!!! :) :) :)

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  409. tedders
    August 1, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    It’s not a retort. it’s a simple fact. Just stating the facts man!

    ¿”danny, tedders son to witness all this.”?

    Hehehe, the fake Sandmonkey no too pretty good at grammar, logic, rhetoric, cognitive skills … :) :) :)

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  410. leo
    August 1, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Hey, Sandmonkey (the real one),

    Please, let us know how are you if you can.

    (Given presence of troll to make it authentic please use new post even if it is empty).

    Thank you very much.

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  411. anon
    August 1, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    Isn’t obvious folks that SM (the real one) is out of this blog, somewhere
    ‘ hopfully’ safe and comfortable!!. and more obviously that the site has been hijacked by arrogant idiots.!!??

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  412. CarpetCaptain
    August 1, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Anon:

    ” thought Copt Egyptian first sent “invitation” for the Arab to protect them from the “Evil authority “of the “Roman Catholic Church.”

    Kind of like the invitation the Spaniards, Farsis, Assyrians and the rest of the world sent ;)?

    Peter: Didnt you know that being Arab was like a “communicable disease” you have a bunch of bedouins overrun your country and all of a sudden you’re infected opppps meant liberated.

    Coptic comes from the ancient Egyptian word for Egyptian.

    Scumbag: Good Morning my favourite piece of turd, unfortunately I dont have time to do the mandatory mercy 3 flushes today to send you back to the sewer where you belong. So live happily in the fantasy that I was born in a barn as I have to go to work so I can save up enough money to buy my iPod (which I Freakin hate) and not have my student visa revoked.

    Doyle: I was born in Egypt and I’ve lived in Vancouver for the last 22 years, wouldn’t trade Van for anywhere other than maybe South Beach ;) Buffalo’s a fun town, too bad about the Sabres though although they’ve won a Cup and I don’t foresee one in our distant future!

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  413. Twosret
    August 1, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    The amount of hate Carpet Captain displays against Arabs is no different than the most extreme I have heard off. What an ignorant man you are!

    You and Egypeter should stop speaking Arabic period because you are in denial. Speak Coptic with your parents and friends kids.

    It is amazing how hypocritical people can be when they face their demons.

    teddy and bj,

    Teaching English and linguistics? bored from your everyday job?

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  414. Twosret
    August 1, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Captain,

    You don’t deserve to be Egyptian. Egyptians are much nicer people and have many good qualities to be taunted by your likes.

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  415. Twosret
    August 1, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    @398

    I was raised by a Coptic mother that taught me not to hate anyone for any reason. She slapped my brother at the age of 12 for just repeating some hate statements similar to the garbage posted above.

    It’s shocking how they are consumed with hate. Let hate eat their heart out.

    They are displaying many symptoms of COS (Coptic Orthodox Syndrome)

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  416. Twosret
    August 1, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    @357

    John Mearsheimer, and Stephen Walt are two arabs in disguise indulging in conspiracy theory?

    I will be very disappointed if you deny the influence of the Israeli Lobby. Really!

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  417. EgyPeter
    August 1, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    COS, huh? Is that right, twosret.

    Is that sort of like SDS? Self-defeating Syndrome?

    And if by COS, you mean someone who stands up for themselves, then yes, I AM INDEED inflicted!

    Maybe it’s your preoccupation with Israel that has led to your bout of SDS?

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  418. SudaniMouluk
    August 1, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    The Egyptians like many of the ethnic africans at the time co existed and fused together.

    Egyptians are now arabs.

    Same with Nubians.

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  419. brooklynjon
    August 1, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Two@440

    “Teaching English and linguistics? bored from your everyday job?”

    I always fancied myself a cunning linguist.

    bj

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  420. Doyle
    August 1, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    Well Captain, what was it that you said you do again for a living that allows you to travel so much, do you work for Telus or the government or something? Maybe when I am back in the old neighborhood we can meet for lunch or hot chocolate or something because it will definitely be in the winter. :):):) BLACKCOMB :):):)

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  421. karen
    August 1, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    Watch out for rock slides. The road between Vancouver and Whistler is closed right now. The slide was 9 meters deep. Luckily, no one was killed…this time.

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  422. Mike Nargizian
    August 2, 2008 at 1:56 am

    @357
    “John Mearsheimer, and Stephen Walt are two arabs in disguise indulging in conspiracy theory?”
    I will be very disappointed if you deny the influence of the Israeli Lobby. Really!

    They have influence in the House… but the real power lay with the Exective Branches.

    Let me countenance -

    I would be very dissappointed if anyone were to also deny the influence of the Arab League and affiliated states in the completely corrupt UN.

    I would further be dissappointed if anyone were to deny the substantial influene of the Saudi lobby which can’t get any presnt or past President and numerous members of State Dept as well as Congress at their beckon call. The Bushes are in business with the Saudis.

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  423. Mike Nargizian
    August 2, 2008 at 1:57 am

    which “can” get any present or past etc….

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  424. leo
    August 2, 2008 at 2:22 am

    @ 446,

    And master debater too (I am not sure about correct spell).

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  425. anon
    August 2, 2008 at 5:35 am

    You were right the first time mike :)

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  426. Shayan
    August 2, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    Our own American government is corrupt. Free masons are now supporting Zionism to finish Islam. The only barrier for Free Masons to invade Middle East is Islam. This greed and evil is not going to last long, if America is going to And the bogus constitution says that “Freedom of Religion, Speech” I just see that only Bush got rights.

    Bush says that Israel has got rights to defend itself. Defend himself from whom? Elderly, women and children residing in Palestine? Nice speech George W. Bush. Who says that Palestinians are creating terrorism? Its Israel people, purely Israel, who is banging everyone to death. Its America who supports Zionism but we Americans do not like it.

    Everyone tries to defend and save their home from bad thing. Its better to say that Palestinians has right to defend themselves from evil Zionism.

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  427. tmsh
    August 2, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    i agree with shayan, israelis are the 1s who conquered palestinian land, and when palestinians protest themselves they’re called terrorists….plzz ppl….whos the 1 with the guns and the fighting planes and tanks and explosives, and when palestinians give their life up for the sake of their country (in a way like suicide bombings) ever1 goes like wth these ppl r crazy following a stupid religion,, when none of u has the rite to judge others….psh…the only thing that freedom of thought has ever bought is trouble, not that i oppose it, but everything has a limit….even freedom!

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  428. tmsh
    August 2, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    i meant protect not protest :P

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  429. Anon
    August 2, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    I believe most(if not all) so called terrorist acts are by design of superpower(s) to fill in certain plot scenario {now remember we have one superpower!} . remember the seventies, all so called terrorist acts were associated with “latin America” . Do you currently hear anything from that part of the world ? Did they solve all their problems?!!. Move to 2001, the starting point of the current movie.. Everything after that is “Arabs”. To a great extent those filty rich Saudis, Dubai, Kuaities and the likes fill into that sharade. Shayan #453 is not so wild.

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  430. tedders
    August 2, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Are you saying that the US was behind the ’72 Munich Olympic murders?
    That all these terrorist organizations are planned, funded and instigated by the US?

    Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades
    Hamas
    Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
    Palestinian Islamic Jihad Movement
    Palestine Liberation Front
    Palestine Liberation Organization

    You say your proof of this is that there is only one super power? The Soviet Union didn’t fall until 1989. What about before that? I think you should look at the current Arab leaders who are using the Palestinian people as a sideshow to keep their own people preoccupied from noticing their own ineptness. Why won’t any of the surrounding countries accept the Pals as citizens? Why does Egypt seal the border off at Gaza? Why will no one in the Arab world, with all that oil money help the Palestinians with their plight? You think the US is behind Hamas lobbing oversized bottle rockets at Israel? Really?
    Why don’t the Arab countries prosecute clerics who promote murder? What part about Osama Bin Laden taking credit for flying those jets into those buildings in New York do you not understand? Or are you one of those troothers who think Bush or Israel trained those 19 Saudi citizens to do their dirty work for them so they’d have an excuse to invade Afghanistan? The Arab people should quit thinking of excuses and go after the real demons amongst them, the leaders of AQ, Hamas and all that preach jihad. They are the ones doing the irreparable damage to the Arab cultures and Islam. They are the ones who are sending the rest of the Arab population back 700 years. Don’t you find it a bit odd that the jihad leaders tell everyone else to strap on an explosive vest but that they never lead by example? Wake up, quit coming up with simple trite conspiracy theories only a child like mind would fall for.

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  431. SudaniMolouk
    August 2, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    The United states is the worlds Largest Terror Cell, and the worlds only rogue state.

    Usama never took credit for anything you dumbass, google search Usama bin ladin denies 9/11 and see for your self.

    OSAMA BIN LADIN DENIED HIS CONNECTIONS WITH 9/11 MORE THAN PETER DENIED JESUS!

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  432. Mohamed
    August 3, 2008 at 12:14 am

    Twosret,
    Seebek menhom, as you’ve said, they’re the ones whose hate’s consuming them, they’re not worth a fraction of a point rise in blood pressure

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  433. brooklynjon
    August 3, 2008 at 12:29 am

    Yawn.

    Just trying to get a little rest before I join my local branch of the Free Masons in their invasion of Saudi. I understand the Lions and Kiwanis are joining along.

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  434. EgyPeter
    August 3, 2008 at 12:31 am

    Facts and proof, as you so adequately provided, will get you nowhere with this crowd, tedders.

    I thought it was common knowledge that Bush orchestrated 9/11. And the sacking of Rome and the destruction of the Library of Alexandria.

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  435. brooklynjon
    August 3, 2008 at 12:38 am

    Wait, I thought the Zionists destroyed Alexandria! No, the Freemasons! Damn, I can’t remember!

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  436. EgyPeter
    August 3, 2008 at 1:13 am

    No silly, the Zionists were responsible for the Fall of Constantinople in 1453.

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  437. Chip
    August 3, 2008 at 2:46 am

    Soon the Shriners will crush the Kaba under the wheels of their tiny little cars!

    Muhahahahahahaha!

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  438. Anon
    August 3, 2008 at 4:20 am

    Of course the love is pouring out of Gaza. Hamas is the creation of Israel in order to stand up against PLO whenever agreement is near.The idea is Peace and calm with 100millions arabs doesn’t suit Israel. you have to keep the arabs buisy ,ignorant and unfocussed where they are heading.

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  439. anon
    August 3, 2008 at 6:39 am

    Mwhahaha @ tedders who said why don’t neighbouring Arab states accept palestinians wmahaha. I bet you would really love that. So that Israel would have won and everybody gets along with their business. How come South Africans weren’t welcomed by their neighbours under apartheid? The reason is that NO one ever thought that apartheid would end is SA and it in fact did and the country was handed to them on a silver platter.

    The same goes for Israel amidst middle east politics. It eventually will be handed back to the Palestinians as impossible as that may seem now, but this time with a billion dollar infra-structure, diamoind exchange, and high tech industry.

    We will bomb bj & tedders house and expect Canada to take them in. If they say a word, we will call them terrorists and open up a can of antisemitism lol on their asses :)

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  440. Shayan
    August 3, 2008 at 8:20 am

    Just tell me Tedders, EgyPeter, CarpetCaptain, Craig that what are you going to do when I’ll send some gangsters to your house? Aren’t you going to try to protect your house from them?
    If you are going to protect your house, then thats what Palestinians are doing. Is it a terrorism to protect yourself? Wow! nice theory, isn’t it?

    Hilter was a cruel man, but Palestinians are not cruel people. Zionists are just bullying on innocent people.

    Egypt and Syria are getting ‘helped’(fancy term of bribing) by western world, so why are they going to speak up? No one minds free money. Afghans don’t know anything else to do except for smoking Opium. Iraqis are freed from Saddam so they are celebrating by bombing each other. Pakistan don’t even know how to support itself. Saudi Arabia is too busy in selling oil. Iran is praying for its own safety. U.A.E is too busy in construction of Royal luxuries.
    Who cares about Palestine? Who likes to mess with thugs carrying guns? No one exactly. Everyone saves themselves from getting raped, even if you report there is no use, because you already got raped.

    I’ve a riddle for everyone here. Can anyone find Palestine in Google maps?

    Exactly, Zionists and Free Masons are controlling the world.

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  441. leo
    August 3, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    “I’ve a riddle for everyone here. Can anyone find Palestine in Google maps?”

    Depends.

    If you mean name usurped by Arafat and the likes that kind of Palestine never existed.

    If you mean term used by ancient Greeks and Romans and later by contemporary world this Palestine exists and today it is called Israel.

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  442. Anon
    August 3, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Leo @471; Arabs average citizens are not dumbs but ignorants of who their so called “leaders” sign offf for? that including Hamas, Hizboallah, MB (btw originally created by the Brits). Can you imagine 100+ millions Arabs living in peace around Israel, producing, learning, and developing!! How long the Zionists’ desired Israel format will survive????

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  443. leo
    August 3, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    First, just to point out. Many believe it is over 300 000 000 today.

    Second, Israel would’ve only benefited from “Arabs living in peace around Israel, producing, learning, and developing!!”.

    Third, “Zionist format” could still be preserved and much easier and cheaper too because it would not be challenged.

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  444. tedders
    August 3, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    “Can you imagine 100+ millions Arabs living in peace around Israel, producing, learning, and developing!! How long the Zionists’ desired Israel format will survive”

    ¿WTF? The whole region would blossom and EVERYONES life would be better! If you think Israel wants to constantly fight it’s neighbors it only shows the unbelievable childlike ignorance and backwards thinking that has dealt that part of the world the lowest standard of living anywhere for the last 700 years. Do you think it’s a coincidence that Israel has one of the highest standards of living but some of the surrounding states have the lowest? You’ve got to love yourself more than you hate your neighbors before you can make your life any better. Arafat died a multi billionaire from the money he stole from the Palestinians, his sham of a wife lives in Paris and Switzerland living like royalty on the Palestinians back! You never even think about that, you remind me of lemmings.

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  445. tedders
    August 3, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    “I don’t want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone, if possible, Jew, gentile, black man, white. We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each other’s happiness — not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another.

    In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way. Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men a chance to work, that will give youth a future and old age a security.

    The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men (cries out for universal brotherhood) for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world — millions of despairing men, women and little children — victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me, I say — do not despair. The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed — the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people.

    Soldiers! Don’t give yourselves to brutes — men who despise you — enslave you — who regiment your lives — tell you what to do — what to think and what to feel! Who drill you — diet you — treat you like cattle, use you as cannon fodder. Don’t give yourselves to these unnatural men — machine men with machine minds and machine hearts! You are not machines! You are not cattle! You are men! You have the love of humanity in your heart.

    Don’t hate! Only the unloved hate — the unloved and the unnatural! Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty! In the 17th Chapter of St. Luke it is written: “the Kingdom of God is within man” — not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you! You, the people have the power — the power to create machines. The power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure.

    Then, in the name of democracy, let us use that power! Let us all unite! Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men a chance to work, that will give youth a future and old age security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power, but they lie! They do not fulfill their promise; they never will. Dictators free themselves, but they enslave the people! Now, let us fight to fulfill that promise! Let us fight to free the world, to do away with national barriers, to do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men’s happiness. Soldiers! In the name of democracy, let us all unite!

    Hannah, can you hear me? Wherever you are, look up, Hannah. The clouds are lifting. The sun is breaking through. We are coming out of the darkness into the light. We are coming into a new world, a kindlier world, where men will rise above their hate, their greed and brutality.

    Look up, Hannah. The soul of man has been given wings, and at last he is beginning to fly. He is flying into the rainbow — into the light of hope, into the future, the glorious future that belongs to you, to me and to all of us. Look up, Hannah. Look up.”

    http://www.americanrhetoric.com/videoclips/videomoviespeechthegreatdicatator565.wmv

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  446. brooklynjon
    August 3, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    anon,

    You want to bomb my house?

    bj

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  447. tedders
    August 3, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    ” tedders who said why don’t neighbouring Arab states accept palestinians wmahaha. I bet you would really love that. So that Israel would have won and everybody gets along with their business.”

    The real reason for the Palestinians suffering. Sad but true.

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  448. anon
    August 3, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Indeed isn’t it, that their land is taken and fools like you think it is incumbent on their neighbours to take them in. SAD BUT TRUE, SUCH A DEFEATEST ATTITUDE which you expect them to dictate to them.

    THEIR NOT DOING THAT, is the reason for their suffering, as well AS the REASON for THEIR extreme pride. That’s a lot more than I can say for the children of Israel with their gay bars [smirk]!

    You know a lot about this subject, or at least you think you do, obsessed are we ? What’s it to you anyways?

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  449. anon
    August 3, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    @ 478 tedders Utopian drivel! Nicely said you movie buff!

    Then do like Sadat did and give back the land that was taken in 1967 & all the world will praise the Jews for their valor and candor. Till then, the world will just bite its tongue, not to be in antisemtic contempt. Spoken like a true rock star, sucking the devils dick. No pragmatism however. Y’all always say, show us the money first (unlike Sadt did), ehhm, while you all build more settlements, pffff…

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  450. tedders
    August 3, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    “That’s a lot more than I can say for the children of Israel with their gay bars [smirk]!”

    Regardless of your homophopic attitude, a certain percentage of Palestinians are gay as Liberace, the same percentage in the Arab world as in the West. The difference being is that admitting your gay in Israel or the West won’t get you the death penalty. Your attitude is similar to the rat faced president of Iran, Ahmadinejad. There aren’t any homosexuals in the Iranian or Palestinian population? Yeah, that’s the ticket!

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  451. tedders
    August 3, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    “Then do like Sadat did and give back the land that was taken in 1967 & all the world will praise the Jews for their valor and candor.”

    Just like they gave back Gaza? Look at the mess there now. The worst thing in the world for the entire region would be if the jews left, in a matter of hours the entire place would be a maxi sized Gaza! No one in their right minds would want to see that happen including Israel’s neighboring states.

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  452. tedders
    August 3, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    From this website:
    http://www.mideastweb.org/palpop.htm

    Major Conclusions
    1. The nature of the data do not permit precise conclusions about the Arab population of Palestine in Ottoman and British times, and the relative contributions of natural increase and immigration, imprecision in the counts and other issues.
    2. Palestine was not an empty land when Zionist immigration began. The lowest estimates claim there were about 410,000 Arab Muslims and Christians in Palestine in 1893. A Zionist estimate claimed there were over 600,000 Arabs in Palestine. in the 1890s. At this time, the number of Jewish immigrants to Palestine was still negligible by all accounts. It is unlikely that Palestinian immigration prior to this period was due to Zionist development. Though uncertainty exists concerning the precise numbers of Arabs living in the areas that later became Israel, it is very unlikely that the claims of Joan Peters that there were less than 100,000 Arabs living there are valid.
    3. Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times. Analysis of population by sub-districts shows that Arab population tended to increase the most between 1931 and 1948 in the same areas where there were large proportions of Jews. Therefore, Zionist immigration did not displace Arabs. For a detailed discussion that focuses on this myth, please refer to Zionism and its Impact.
    4. Historic population data in Palestine during Ottoman times and during Mandatory times show significant discrepancies. For example, figures reported in Table A-1 for 1930 population of Arabs are about 100,000 too low according to census figures for 1931
    5. It is not possible to estimate illegal Arab immigration directly, but apparently there was some immigration. The total Arab immigration to Palestine recorded or estimated by the Mandate government was in the neighborhood of 45,000. Illegal immigration that was not recorded would not register in the final population figures for 1945, because those figures were estimates. We simply do not know how many Arabs and Jews there were in Palestine before the declaration of the state of Israel. It is probable that there were about 100,000 Arab immigrants into Palestine. An unknown number may also have migrated internally, from the Arab areas in the West Bank that were formerly the centers of commercial activity and population to the coastal plain and Galilee. The Arab population increase of areas with large Jewish settlement was about 10% greater than that in areas without Jewish settlement. This effect cannot be totally separated from urbanization. A population of approximately 103,000 Bedouin (1922 estimate reported in the 1927-1929 reports of the Mandatory) may have been excluded or included in different population figures as the authorities and demographers saw fit. There is no way to know how many of these Bedouin made a permanent home in Palestine or how many became part of the city population in the course of industrialization between 1922 and 1948. However, the evidence indicates that they were in fact included in all the official population figures. This is shown by the fact that estimates of Muslim population that explicitly do not include Bedouin were significantly lower than the census figures, and by the fact that population growth is consistent with figures for natural increase if we assume that the Bedouin were included.
    5. There are large discrepancies between official population figures and the number of Palestinian refugees – An analysis of population by subdistricts and villages, using the admittedly incomplete data of the Palestine Remembered Web site, shows that there were about 736,000 Muslim and Christian Arabs in the part of Palestine that was to become “Green Line Israel” in 1949. There would not have been more than 620,000 refugees in 1949 if these figures are correct, since the Israeli census showed 156,000 non-Jews living in Palestine in November 1948, of whom about 14,000 were Druze. The number of refugees reported by UNRWA in 1948 was 726,000. It might indicate that an unregistered and illegal population of 100,000 was included in the refugees, or it might be due to serious and systematic undercounting of Arab population by the Mandate authorities. McCarthy suggests that there was such undercounting, yet his figures for the total population of Palestine agree with projections based on official figures for 1945.
    6. There are serious discrepancies in reporting of the number of refugees. In 1949, UNRWA reported 726,000 refugees. By 1950 they reported 914,000 according to one source (McCarthy), an increase of 26% that could not come either from births or further displacement of refugees, which were negligible.
    7. The city of Jerusalem has had a Jewish majority since about 1896 – The city of Jerusalem itself there was a Jewish majority since about 1896, but probably not before. The district of Jerusalem (as opposed to the city) comprised a very wide area in Ottoman and British times, in which there was a Muslim majority. This included Jericho, Bethlehem and other towns. Within the Jerusalem district, there was a subdistrict of Jerusalem that includes many of the immediate suburbs such as Eyn Karem, Beit Zeit etc. In that subdistrict, the Jews remained a minority , with only about 52,000 out of 132,000 persons in 1931 for example.

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  453. CarpetCaptain
    August 3, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Turette: Are you really that stunned? Who the hell do you think you are to tell me what I deserve to be or not be. Your head is so far stuck up your ass in your left wing liberal conspiracy theories bullshit them against us. Maybe if you were to take it out once in a while and smell the roses you’d get a grip on reality. Being Egyptian isn’t mutually exclusive of being disgusted at bad behaviour whether its directed at Copts, Baha’is, women or any other minority group (if you consider women a minority).

    Doyle: I’m self employed. I did however work for Telus when I first got out of college. I don’t do hot chocolate but I’ll buy you dirty martini at Tommy Africa’s or Merlin’s up at Blackcomb.

    Karen: We got lucky with the rock slide, we had a huge music festival that went all weekend up at Pemberton (20 mins past whistler). More than 60k people were cmped up there for the whole weekend. Have you lived around here too?

    Sudan Molouk:

    “The United states is the worlds Largest Terror Cell, and the worlds only rogue state. Usama never took credit for anything you dumbass, google search Usama bin ladin denies 9/11 and see for your self.”

    Can you please introduce me to you drug dealer? I want whtever shit you’re smoking, snorting, injecting or putting in any of your orifices.

    Dude are you fucking kidding me? You’re from Sudan a country that has been involved in ethnic cleansing of 300k of its own people, is involved in systematic rape, murder and torture and your own piece of shit president is directly involved in. That USA is actually feeding half of your countrymen and women. I guess feeding the poor is a new form of terrorism.

    Mike: I disagree with you, I dont think that the ARab League has any influence in the UN. They’re too useless to influence anyone other than the locals that they cater to. Its just a propaganda machine that helps the local dictators look like they’re doing something to the simpletons they rule/enslave.

    Freemasons WHAT? Was that a joke? And while we’re at it what does Islam have to do with Freemasons and stopping them, assuming that invasion was in the works of course.

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  454. CarpetCaptain
    August 3, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    I agree completely. Right after college I dated a Jewish girl and she had a thing about wanting to see the Pyramids….bla bla u know the usual story. So I took her with me to Egypt one Christmas. None of my family even blinked an eye at the whole thing.

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  455. twosret
    August 3, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    CC,

    When you chose better words and stop profanity and learn how to talk to a lady I will respond to you.

    Egypeter,

    The average Jewish people or the Arab wants to live in peace.

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  456. twosret
    August 3, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    CC,

    My first cousin is married a wonderful Jewish lady and we accepted her in our family and love her. The problem of the displaced Palestinians has nothing to do with that.

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  457. twosret
    August 3, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    CC,

    I am assuming this is the way you speak to your mother and sister in your house no? hiding behind a computer screen and insulting women is not a Coptic behavior is it?

    Do you know why I think you are a bad name to Egyptians and especially Copts?

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  458. CarpetCaptain
    August 3, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Turette: A lady is not any woman that has female anatomical parts. Maybe you should start acting like one if you’d like to get treated like one. In the mean time good riddance :D Go play i your own sandbox! lol

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  459. twosret
    August 3, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    If I have acted not a lady like then you definetly act like no gentleman. Hope your cursing will make you feel more like a man.

    Oh well!

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  460. CarpetCaptain
    August 3, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Are you now back to responding to me? hahahah cute!

    Listen Turette, actually i’ll be nice and call you Twosret. I have no beef with you, you initiated the hostilities and made it personal after one of my responses to dumbass/obama/scumbag/sewage eater/dirtymachine or whatever name he used at the time. I’m not one that likes to exchange hostilities with chicks, its just not my style nor how i do things.

    SO i’m going to be the grown up (j/k) and throw an olive branch at you ;)

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  461. Twosret
    August 3, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    CC,

    Olive branch accepted and I apologize if I was harsh in my comments.

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  462. tedders
    August 3, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    “Olive branch accepted”

    Awwww! :)

    Now if we could only get Hamas and Hizbella to do the same! ;)

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  463. twosret
    August 3, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    tedders,

    What are you doing copying and pasting from that web site comm’on you can do better reading than this :)

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  464. tedders
    August 3, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Just stating the facts Ma’am!! :)

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  465. tedders
    August 3, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    I posted just so I could be # 500!!! ;)

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  466. CarpetCaptain
    August 3, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Apology accepted….I could be quite harsh myself…..bygones!

    Tedders if there were to be peace neither Hamas nor Party of Satan would exist so it stands to reason that they’d do everything possible to hinder it.

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  467. tedders
    August 3, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    And then they’d have to get a real job!!!! :)

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  468. Twosret
    August 3, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Teddy,

    You got that one I waited too long. Facts? are you kidding me a zionist storm front is facts now lol

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  469. Twosret
    August 3, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    You know CC there are many people who disagree here on every front but we try to keep our cool. We will send you a Sushi invitatio

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  470. Twosret
    August 3, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    *invitation. Although it will be very hard for me to eat sushi with my neqab :)

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  471. tedders
    August 3, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    “zionist storm front”? That’s not really fair to the real storm front organization who is, how shall we say, quite monolithic in terms of members and ideology. Mideast is looking for coexistence in the region, I thought you were to!

    MidEast Web was started by people active in Middle East dialog and peace education efforts. Our goal is to weave a world-wide web of Arabs, Jews and others who want to build a new Middle East based on coexistence and neighborly relations. Our members and staff include distinguished educators, engineers, Web designers and other professionals experienced in dialog, peace education projects and in promoting dialog and coexistence using the Internet.

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  472. CarpetCaptain
    August 3, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    Twosret I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, hell one of my closest friends is a democrat for god’s sake. We’ve even gone on holidays together and I was never tempted once to sneak into his room and slit his throat :D

    I usually do keep my cool until the mud slinging starts.

    Invitation accepted! We can all go get pickled in sake. Thats one thing about the West Coast we have better sushi than Japan!

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  473. tedders
    August 3, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    neqab! Ha, well we’ll see about that one!! :)

    No doubt you’ll be a good subservient house wife who doesn’t voice her own opinion unless asked for it !! Yeah, not a chance, that’s what I thought!! I wouldn’t have it any other way!! We love you just the way you are! neqab, that’s rich!! :) :) :)

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  474. tedders
    August 3, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    CC are you on facebook?

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  475. CarpetCaptain
    August 3, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    We’ll make a hole in it for the straw to suck back the sake!

    Have you ever seen a woman eat in public in a garbage bag? Last time I was in Cairo we went out to have dinner at a place called the Fish Market. In walks this Saudi dude with his two wives (or boyfriends who knows) and they’re both in full black Glad bags. So these two poor chicks are lifting the lid and trying to slide food into their eating holes on the sly. It was the funniest and most awkward thing i’ve ever seen. Needless to say he managed to down about 4 beers.

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  476. CarpetCaptain
    August 3, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Not yet tedders. I’ve been debating taking the plunge for a while.

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  477. Mike Nargizian
    August 3, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    Mohammed -
    Leaving this tedious innane comments section aside…
    Do you actually believe that all the hate is from Zionists and Copts and that the poor Muslims are the otherwise misunderstood good natured loving religion of the downtrodden throughout the world…

    When the mobs were marauding throughout Egypt and the nuns got stabbed were those just unfortunate events caused by the “hateful play” of a Coptic Christian?

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  478. CarpetCaptain
    August 3, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Mike:

    I resent your comments. Those 21 poor Copt villagers (many of whom were children) in El Kosheh deserved to die. How dare they ring their church bells. Thats just outrageous in a “muslim country”

    BTW how does a country get a religious entity? Why is it that only Islamic countries need to be part of a racist group that only admits people based on religion (organization of the Islamic conf.) and why is it that most of those countries are either banana republics or shitholes ruled by dictators and all are “developing”

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  479. CarpetCaptain
    August 3, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    I should also add that the justice system in egypt did the right thing and noone was ever found guilty of that (rightfully so of course) pfffft!

    You should also note that those Nuns were stabbed by a dernaged man just like the other deranged man that shot the two Monks and the other one that drove the family of four off the freeway and into the nile.

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  480. Twosret
    August 3, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    I have respect for veiled women but women in niqab like me are too submissive indeed :(

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  481. tedders
    August 3, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Twos, you do know I was just ribbing you, right? I see you as a strong and intelligent woman that would make a great partner for any man. I didn’t mean anything negative about you or women who wear a neqab, of course. I like my women smart, confident and passionate about what they feel is important. Submissive women just aren’t very interesting to me.

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  482. Twosret
    August 3, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    teddy,

    I’m totally joking :) you should know me better ;)

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  483. Twosret
    August 3, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    CC,

    I will be afraid for my life meeting you lol…..but I will travel to eat sushi :) as long as I bring tedders, BJ, Mohammed, and Fathi to protect me from slap fights :). You can bring Egypeter if you want, he won’t be on my side for sure :(

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  484. CarpetCaptain
    August 4, 2008 at 12:08 am

    I’ve never hit a woman that didnt ask me to! hahahahahahaha so you’re safe.

    Tedders and BJ are good people and I’ll eat raw fish with either any day. Mohammad though might end up on the menu, he’s made comments threatening violence and i’m not big on the turning the other cheek business, I was hung over the day they taught that in sunday school.

    While we’re on the topic of hijabs and niqabs there’s no reason why a woman should wear anything as hideous on hear body. The whole hijab business relies on the concept that men are dogs and she’s a piece of meat that we have no control over ourselves when we see. We all know the fallacy of that. No country has women wearing more garbage bags and mind blockers than egypt, yet your avergae man behaves like a dog in heat. I think it was Mohammad’s way of oppressing women.

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  485. CarpetCaptain
    August 4, 2008 at 12:18 am

    and i didnt mean our resident troll “IT” i meant the prophet.

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  486. Twosret
    August 4, 2008 at 12:22 am

    CC,

    I’m refering to another Mohamed you are getting confused. Hijab (being veiled is a religious tradition that I respect) I really don’t understand the neqab at all but I do feel for women who wear it for sure.

    I don’t think that all women who wear hijab think of men as dogs. It is like you are telling me that when women cover their heads in our Coptic church thinks men in church as dogs too u know.

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  487. EgyPeter
    August 4, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Well said Mike! And well said Captain! It’s almost as if I could have posted those comments… :)

    Ok, so my sister is a Vet. And she raised an awesome little bulldog pup. And she’s always said that when your dog shits on your carpet you have to smack him immediately or else he won’t learn and will continue to leave brown spots all over your nice new carpet (not Captain :).

    When these animals commit a sectarian act the authorities need to mete out justice, IMMEDIATELY! And I’m not sure if it’s EVER happened. All I read are the typical cover-ups, lies, and ridiculous analyses of the situation. For Muburak, the most important thing is that no one outside of Egypt must know what’s really going on. Egypt’s retarded “image” (which is in the shithole anyways) is all that really matters. Two billion in aid goes a long way in Muburak’s pockets.

    I can’t tell you how many times I hear and read about injustices being perpetuated. The most recent being the 4th century Abu Fana Monastery disaster. A “land dispute,” really?? Have you ever heard of a “land dispute” where monks are abducted and tortured and made to spit on a cross and recite the muslim saying?

    Yeah, that’s a land dispute – Egyptian style.

    We need to catch this shit before it spirals out of control.

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  488. karen
    August 4, 2008 at 12:38 am

    Captain,

    I heard about the festival. And yep, I’m your “neighbour” so to speak.

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  489. CarpetCaptain
    August 4, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Women are only expected to wear a scarf when they are taking communion, I know my sister and mother don’t wear it in the Church whether its here or in Egypt. The point behind wearing it is to be modest infront of god not to prevent temptation to other men.

    Most women that wear the mind blocker believe that its to protect them from men and also not to tempt men, thats where the religious tradition comes from Two. It is to prevent “fitna”. Some muslim clerics also believe that the hands need to get covered too, apparently us men turn into humpers when we see a barenaked hand! lol

    If its not our resident “IT” then he’s welcome too….and if its in Vancouver my treat!

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  490. CarpetCaptain
    August 4, 2008 at 12:52 am

    I should also add that the whole headcovering business in Church is subject ot heavy interpretation. Many argue that the verse used in the bible had referred to women actually having long hair. You also have to remember that Corinthians 11 was written in the first century and it referred to both men and women hence aking it a cultural thing for that time.

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  491. brooklynjon
    August 4, 2008 at 1:08 am

    tedders,

    We’re getting love from both sides of the aisle here. That can mean only one thing. We’re doing something horribly, horribly wrong.

    bj

    P.S. CC, you’re welcome to join us for sushi. Don’t worry, if Twosret gets feisty and takes off her niqab, I’ll tickle her with my chopstick.

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  492. CarpetCaptain
    August 4, 2008 at 1:55 am

    Dubya did say he’ll either “bring them to justice or bring justice to them” I’m a big fan of the latter, I hate all the paperwork with the former. I have no idea why Zawahiri was ever released after being involved in the Sadat assassination. It just goes to show that they start off as pain in the ass and graduate into full blown piece of shit. Thats why I hope they get Kuntar quick.

    BJ Thanks! All this civility with Twosret is making me nauseous, its going to take a little getting used to! God damn doves and olive branches. How pukable hahahahaha

    As far as wearing niqabs most chicks that wear them should keep them on for all our sakes.

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  493. Twosret
    August 4, 2008 at 1:59 am

    “All this civility with Twosret is making me nauseous, its going to take a little getting used to!”

    I’m sure bj can help you with that :)

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  494. CarpetCaptain
    August 4, 2008 at 2:13 am

    Karen greetngs “neighbour” and the festival rocked! I went up for one night.

    Peter: did you read this yet: http://amcoptic.com/n2008/abo-el-gheet-2008.pdf its fucking laughable! Every bullshit line of it. Also please do me a favour bro don’t use dogs in any analogy when its referring to these pieces of shit. My pooch would take gret exception as do I ;) Dogs are smart, kind, gentle, loyal and loving creatures. They have NOTHING in common with these types.

    Al Qaeda Egyptians, what do you expect from a country with more madrassas than Pakistan? Egypt has close to 8600 Azhar institutions. All government funded, all strictly for muslims and all preaching hatred of the infidels. Yet the Copts can’t have one single privately funded school or college thats teaches arts and sciences to their children. Not that I think that segregating education on a religious basis is ever a good idea but it goes to show the double standard. Equals my ASS!

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  495. EgyPeter
    August 4, 2008 at 2:35 am

    Very true on the dog point and very true on Egypt’s (non)educational system.

    Whole sale reform has now been in order for a couple of decades. And in regards to your article – you would think that Egypt is a bastion of human rights if you asked the Muburak regime.

    Will a Kemal Ataturk ever arise in Egypt?? Egypt needs someone to shove secularism down their throats, whether they like it or not. I’m hoping and praying for that miracle.

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  496. brooklynjon
    August 4, 2008 at 2:54 am

    CC,

    The truth is, I believe most of one’s opinions are a consequence, one way or another, of the accidental circumstances of one’s birth.

    Twosret was born to her mother, and as such, probably thinks I’m irredeemably evil, taking pleasure of crushing kittens, bunnies, and little Palestinian children. Had she been born to my mother, on the other hand, she’d probably make a mean brisket and matzo ball soup. And she just might have a slightly different opinion of the Middle East.

    In any event, I’m pretty skilled with a chopstick, so I’m confident I could defend you.

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  497. CarpetCaptain
    August 4, 2008 at 3:04 am

    Unless your mom is a miracle worker matzo ball soup is fucking brutal! I think thats a continuation of the 40 years in the desert for you guys….haha

    I’ll come if you promise to keep me safe from Twosret. Second time i’m saying this today, I just got invited to a gay bar by this chick (gay pride parade today) and she swore she’s gonna cover my ass so to speak ! lol I hope she meant it literally.

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  498. brooklynjon
    August 4, 2008 at 3:07 am

    Actually, I’ve been experimenting with gluten-free matzo balls lately. Not nearly as easy as it sounds, and it doesn’t sound that easy either.

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  499. tedders
    August 4, 2008 at 3:32 am

    “Nunchaku skills… bowhunting skills… computer hacking skills… Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills!”

    Well I guess we’ll have to add chopstick skills to that list.

    Okay I hate to do this but I suppose I must add that the above quote is from one of the best movies I’ve ever seen, Napoleon Dynamite. Geesh it’s so anti climatic when I have to explain my own jokes and inane references, it’s like I’m only talking to myself sometimes … Why is everyone staring at me?

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  500. Twosret
    August 4, 2008 at 3:45 am

    Funny enough CC and Egypeter didn’t say a word about incidents like this…..I wonder why? Is it because the murderer is not Muslim.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/27/church.shooting/

    That sums it up really!

    CC,

    I would like you to step up to the challenge and fight me with honor my Lord :)

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  501. tedders
    August 4, 2008 at 3:53 am

    Hey every population has it’s crazy’s. We had that Branch Davidian David Koresh cult about 60 miles south of where I live. That was handled absolutely wrong (thank you Janet Reno) but there are wackos in all groups.

    Twos, do you really think that Christian on Muslim or Christian on Christian violence comes any where near the magnitude that Islamists are inflicting on the world today? I’d say the difference in levels of violence comparing Christian vs Islamists is at least 1,000 to 1 having more violence committed by the Islamists of course. I use the term Islamists because I don’t believe they are Muslims any more than David Koresh was a Christian.

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  502. Twosret
    August 4, 2008 at 3:59 am

    Teddy,

    People at the crusaders time would have argued the same but you know what this wasn’t my point. My point is that Muslims are the new kids on the block and it is their time and I’m a constant reminder to those who generalize about Muslims and pay every effort to taunt them all.

    Keeping balance is not such a bad thing to do you know :) if you would like to keep in mind the violence in Iraq committed under the Christian Bush (sorry Christians for calling Bush Christian) in your example then I will see it is the same nothing different.

    Bottom line is violence have gotten all of us nowhere. It only created hate, division, victims, hurt, and big loses.

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  503. Twosret
    August 4, 2008 at 4:01 am

    “Second time i’m saying this today, I just got invited to a gay bar by this chick (gay pride parade today) and she swore she’s gonna cover my ass so to speak ! lol I hope she meant it literally.”

    I can’t promise you safety with teddy and bj when it comes to that so come at your own risk LOL

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  504. Twosret
    August 4, 2008 at 4:02 am

    bj,

    funny you said that, in my house I make Matzo ball soup and brisket. Does your mom cook Molokhia and Mahshi?

    I doubt it :)

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  505. tedders
    August 4, 2008 at 4:31 am

    “Bottom line is violence have gotten all of us nowhere. It only created hate, division, victims, hurt, and big loses.”

    If you call freeing 27,499,638 people from a narcissistic cynical homicidal manic and his evil spawn, giving them the right to freely vote and elect their own leaders while providing them security with the Iraqi forces help by killing foreign jihadists that were murdering them in every corner of their country, getting them nowhere, then yes!!

    The Crusades originally were launched in response to a call from the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuk Turks into Anatolia.

    Key phrase here is: help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuk Turks into Anatolia.

    ” violence in Iraq committed under the Christian Bush”

    No offense taken even if it was intended. I’m proud of the courage President Bush has shown, I voted for him twice and he was elected twice by the good citizens of The United States of America. I’d vote for him again if he was running. The persons you should be venting your ire at are the individuals who organized, financed and carried out the last 60 or so terrorist attacks against the US and her citizens in the last 25 years. Peoples memories are short, this has been building since the end of WWll. I’ll just give you the link instead of cutting and pasting:

    http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/13059

    All these events have led to the war in A-stan and Iraq. The Iraqi people are very grateful for the sacrifices brave US soldiers have made to make them a truly free people. The truth is out there if you know where to find it. The truth is not coming from people who claim the troop surge didn’t work or that the people of Iraq would be better off if we left sooner rather than later.

    http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=25230

    http://opinionatedcatholic.blogspot.com/2007/11/auxiliary-bishop-of-iraq-thanks.html

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2006/02/iraqi_mayor_thanks_american_tr.html

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1518385/posts

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2053608/posts

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  506. brooklynjon
    August 4, 2008 at 5:09 am

    Two,

    she probably does, but calls them by a different name. In any event, the only thing my mom makes reliably well is reservations.

    bj

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  507. brooklynjon
    August 4, 2008 at 6:28 am

    Is it just me, or does this Zidane guy look like disgraced New York Governor Elliott Spitzer?

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  508. anon
    August 4, 2008 at 8:18 am

    WTF???? CC
    Yet the Copts can’t have one single privately funded school or college thats teaches arts and sciences to their children. Equals my ASS!

    There are tons of them….

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  509. anon
    August 4, 2008 at 8:27 am

    and this…No country has women wearing more garbage bags and mind blockers than egypt,

    Talk about an unadultrated contempt and hate for Egypt….pffffft!

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  510. twosret
    August 4, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    no bj it is just you :)

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  511. CarpetCaptain
    August 4, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    Anon:

    “WTF???? CC
    Yet the Copts can’t have one single privately funded school or college thats teaches arts and sciences to their children. Equals my ASS!

    There are tons of them”

    Name one please and thank-you :D

    “and this…No country has women wearing more garbage bags and mind blockers than egypt Talk about an unadultrated contempt and hate for Egypt….pffffft!”

    I’m not sure how you came about that conclusion. Egypt is my country, homeland and the place I want nothing but the best for. I just hate the direction its headed which is influenced by the returning “immigants” that have no rights in Wahabbi shitholes that that only saw meat (the 4 legged edible kind) during hajj prior to us Egyptians losing treasure and blood (my uncle died in 73 and dad drove a tank when I was just a newborn) to make them rich. Contempt for Egypt?

    How dare you.

    There are lots that criticize Bush and that makes them no less of patriotic Americans Two being a good example. I would never question her patriotism or love for her country as much as i disagree with her left wing nutter opinions.

    You need to get a grasp on the concept that you can disagree with what goes on at home yet love it and want it to work out for the better.

    There are Jews and Israelis on this board that think Olmert is a corrupt piece of garbage (and I agree with that) however that does not make them hateful or contemptous of Israel.

    I’m a proud Egyptian before I ever was Canadian which I also am very proud of.

    On a brighter note I have some stories to tell about last night and a few responses to some of the earlier comments but that will require time and energy. I just couldnt go to bed without responding to my friend Anon ;)

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  512. CarpetCaptain
    August 4, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Anon BTW where are you from bro?

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  513. leo
    August 4, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    Guys,

    My apology for intrusion. Kumbaya here is rather unusual event but I think I can get used to it.

    Twosret (@540): “… People at the crusaders time would have argued the same but you know what this wasn’t my point. My point is that Muslims are the new kids on the block and it is their time and I’m a constant reminder to those who generalize about Muslims and pay every effort to taunt them all …”

    I swear I though of that myself many times. But I also add – “I will have to do whatever is necessary to survive until better times come”.

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  514. brooklynjon
    August 4, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Interesting…perhaps religions need to ferment for 1500 years before realizing that their ideological zeal needs to be tempered a bit. Roughly 1500 years after the espablishment of the Jewish religion, we have the compilation of the Talmud, which had the effect of mitigating much of the harshness found in the Torah.

    Around 1500 years after the birth of Christianity, you have the Reformation, with its salutary effects.

    How long do we have to go for Islam?

    And on another note: Separated at birth?

    http://suitablyflip.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/11/02/spitzer.jpg

    http://zidane.aliencelebrities.com/wallpapers/zinedine_zidane_wallpaper_1600x1200.jpg

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  515. leo
    August 4, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    “Separated at birth?”

    Yes, over 5000 years ago.

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  516. tedders
    August 4, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    “My apology for intrusion. Kumbaya here is rather unusual event but I think I can get used to it.”

    Hopefully we’ve come full circle and the trolls are bored with it all!

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  517. Twosret
    August 4, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    bj,

    the mean streak in the first link makes my skin crawl.

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  518. leo
    August 4, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    555,

    So do I.

    556,

    What did you expect? Guy is no footballer.

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  519. Twosret
    August 4, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    That is not a mean streak. That is his reaction to someone cursing his sister or mom.

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  520. leo
    August 4, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    One more trait Spitzer and Zidan have in common – stupidity.

    Spitzer is stupid because allowed himself to get arrogant.
    Zidan is stupid because allowed himself to get provoked.

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  521. karen
    August 4, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    And what about John Edwards? Why isn’t the MSM paying attention to that dog? He is just as bad as Spitzer if not worse. Couldn’t he have at least waited, if you know what I mean. How sad.

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  522. anon
    August 4, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Did bj just ask – How long do we have to go for Islam?fermentation of religion or of any kind is prohibited in Islam. notice how the talk of beer scared all the trolls away?

    I am from Alex CC. I went to Victoria college. My mom to Jesuit, my aunt to another all girls school iin cairo I can’t even pronounce and definitely can not spell.

    andmonkey’s maternal family is the exact same. Graduates of Christian french schools located in egypt that are privately funded? I could understand your argument if you were asking why aren’t there any schools that are funded by government. As for the garbage bags, ever heard of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi lol :) ? I am sure you will find the garbage bag ratio to be much higher over there than in Egypt :)

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  523. Twosret
    August 4, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    “My apology for intrusion. Kumbaya here is rather unusual event but I think I can get used to it.”

    you are welcome to join us :)

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  524. CarpetCaptain
    August 4, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Two Two Two what am I gonna do with you, you cant honestly be comparing that incident you pointed out where the perpetrator will get prosecuted to the full extent of the law to what goes on in Egypt. You can’t say that the Copts are not shit on left right and center in Egypt.

    ” would like you to step up to the challenge and fight me with honor my Lord ”

    There’s no honour (learn to spell Yankee lol) in fighting a lady. I grew up with a sister with a mean streak. Being bloodied by her was not an infrequent event in our household for me but you think I could ever do anything about it…………NOOOOOOOOOOO she’s a girl and daddy said no hitting girls take it like a man! lol

    “That is not a mean streak. That is his reaction to someone cursing his sister or mom.”

    I can understand if the guy grabbed his sister’s ass but for your regular run of the mill on the field trash talking? Its called drawing the penalty. In this case it ended up costing his team mates and country the cup which they would’ve easily won had he not been ejected.

    ” can’t promise you safety with teddy and bj when it comes to that so come at your own risk”

    Well at least you’re honest, she promised it and we werent there for an hour before some dude run his had down my cheek and I didnt even see it happen. Luckily for him I was trying to leave a good impression with that chick (hence the going to a gay bar lol) otherwise he would’ve gone through the wall.

    “the only thing my mom makes reliably well is reservations.”

    BJ Yours too eh….I just wish mine knew her limitations. She would’ve never gone any further than mahshi and molokhia with squab. mmmmmmm

    Anon my point exactly bro, there are non that either publicly funded and all those places you mentioned allow BOTH Christians and Muslims (as they should) unlike Al Azhar which is funded in part by Copt tax dollars yet they’re not allowed to step foot in them. Not only that but its like a puppy mill of pumping out extremists and extremist thought.

    The garbage bags worn in most of those countries are MANDATORY with the exception of the UAE. And really do you want to ompare any of those places to Egypt. Most Saudi and Iranian women are fashinbly dressed once the’re on the plane or are behind closed doors. Look at any of the Iranian expats in N. America how often do you see them wearing the mind blocker (hijab)

    So beer works the same way for trolls as holy water for vampires :D I’m going to have to increase my truck’s reserve 6 pack to a case ;)

    Did someone say something about John Edwards?? Did he come out of the closet yet :D

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  525. Aiken Blue
    August 4, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Edwards and the others are out o fthe race. Right now, wee need to vote for one who’s worthy of the title and can do the president’s job well. To me that’s Obama. Please visit WHYOBAMA08.org!!

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  526. Twosret
    August 4, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    “Two Two Two what am I gonna do with you”

    Why do I keep getting this every so often these days? :)

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  527. Twosret
    August 4, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    “Luckily for him I was trying to leave a good impression with that chick (hence the going to a gay bar lol) otherwise he would’ve gone through the wall.”

    you sound like Zidane I like you already lol

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  528. Twosret
    August 4, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    CC,

    “fashinbly” “ompare”

    and you complain about how I spell honor LOL. Don’t get into the spelling or grammar game here especially with me :) I am the worst!

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  529. CarpetCaptain
    August 4, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Two

    touche! my reference was more to how americans slaughter the english language smart ass!

    And i’m nothing like Zidane, I would’ ve waited till the game was done and THEN sent him back to the stone ages.

    Aiken:

    Edwards never stood a chance. But whats the dirt on him? I know him and Kerry made a cute couple with really butchy wives.

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  530. EgyPeter
    August 4, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Why is it only despotic third world countries that have laws on the books against “tarnishing” the country’s image??

    Check that, Turkey has silly laws like that too. Anyone who decides to question the Armenian Genocide over there get’s labled a traitor.

    Anyways, these laws should be a big red flag that your country has serious Freedom of Speech issues…

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  531. anon
    August 4, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    EgyptPeter- Ever heard of holocaust denial? That would make half of Europe stinkin poop countires by your standards then. But ya the whole tarnishing the image thing is beyond fucking retarded, especially Egypt that is already fucking rusty and tarnished.

    CarpetCaptain Only thing I see wrong with that article is…. that I don’t see how critics actually care what happens in Egypt. It’s a love it or leave it situation. Getting all worked up about it will just make you bitter individuals. I mean you are acting like the Palistinians…give up the fucking land already…you got your asses kicked already…Capiche? Maybe one day things will be different but for now this how things are going to stay. You will be called a traitor or in the case of the Palistinians, a terrorist.

    FYI if America wants something it is done, end of story…do you really believe all this hype man? The Canadian cold must have given your gullibleness frost bite. This whole platform called earth has been pretty much bought & sold by those running the show now. Call them the Saudi’s, the Russians, the British, the Zionists, The el Qaida’s, the Americans, the Mason’s, the Satanists…bla bla bla…whatever you may…all these articles are just fodder. It’s all world politics man, we are just fans lol.

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  532. karen
    August 4, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Captain,

    John Edwards has allegedly been having an affair with someone who worked on his campaign. He also supposedly has a baby with her. You won’t find any news about it in the MSM. You’ll have to go to different conservative blogs to find out about it. Slate has discussed it. Apparently the Enquirer is the one that broke the story and has been following up on it. So liberals use that as an excuse to say it can’t be true. But they also broke the story on the hypocrite Jesse Jackson and his affair and “love child” so they aren’t always wrong.

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  533. CarpetCaptain
    August 4, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Anon:

    I dont get the logic behind what you’re saying. Should Mandela (and i’m not comparing myself to him by any stretch) have stayed quiet and out of jail while the “caffers” aka “niggers” had to use a different bathroom than whites? Should Martin Luther have never marched? Shoulda Rosa Park have shut the fuck up and sat at the back of the bus like a “good nigger”? Or maybe Justice Thurgood Marshall should’ve never argued Brown vs Board of Education and schools would’ve remained segregated and no blacks would’ve stepped foot in the supreme court let alone became chief justices.

    There’s a difference between peacefu protest and violent protest that leads to the label of terrorist.

    Personally I find take it or leave it attitude defeatest and hasn’t worked for me since I was a child.

    I agre if America wants something done it will be but here’s the USA looks for its

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  534. CarpetCaptain
    August 4, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    OWN INTERESTS first and foremost.

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  535. franchie
    August 5, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Actually, the Enquirer boss worked for Bill Clinton, and Edwards affair was sorted out to prevent him from gettin the Vice position in Obama’s race POTUS, some nice frying-pans between good friends, ya know !!! :lol:

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  536. CarpetCaptain
    August 5, 2008 at 12:13 am

    “Why is it only despotic third world countries that have laws on the books against “tarnishing” the country’s image??”

    Because only despotic third world countries need them. What other despotic countries have laws that allow you to bring civil lawsuits that end with a custodial sentence? How fucked up is that? How can you tarnish the image of a country where 11 people died in bread lines in under a month as a result of the failed policies of a dictator that has been in power for 30 years.

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  537. leo
    August 5, 2008 at 2:08 am

    “How can you tarnish the image of a country where 11 people died in bread lines in under a month as a result of the failed policies of a dictator that has been in power for 30 years.”

    I understand, it is bad, very bad. Then what other alternative this country has? And if there is one what is being done to have this alternative play out?

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  538. tedders
    August 5, 2008 at 2:10 am

    “EgyptPeter- Ever heard of holocaust denial? That would make half of Europe stinkin poop countires by your standards then.”

    Yeah but the difference between Europe and Turkey is that both of the genocidal events took place, that’s historical fact. Europe on one hand has laws that prevent people in a public forum FROM DENYING that the Holocaust happened while Turkey has laws DENYING that the Holocaust happened. Turkey is practicing Holocaust Deception, Europe is not.

    Anon, you do see the difference here don’t you?

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  539. CarpetCaptain
    August 5, 2008 at 2:38 am

    Karen thanks for the link…I guess its the first case of two men having a child together ;) I’m still convinced he’s a puffter for some reason.

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  540. anon
    August 5, 2008 at 5:54 am

    So basically you are saying dont react with any kinetic body motions that might be misconstrued as violence, even when they are bulldozing your house down after returning from a 4 day wait at a checkpoint. And to add insult to injury, all neighbouring towns have been eradicated and new towns with Hebrew names have popped up.

    OK sounds easy enough..at least open the border up so that lubricants can pass through to ease the mimicking effects of sodomy as the slow & monotonous peace marches stop all the settlements from popping up, competing with Dubai. :)

    I think the argument here will be defense. Israel just appears to have a whole lot of high tech billion dollar equipment that misfires or is being tested on the Palestinians. Plus a few out numbered out matched shit groups fire rockets from hospitals and schools – I know!

    We all know how much Israel wants and claims that land is theirs. What if it was there plan all along to vex the Palestinians into a fight that they would surely lose? I am not saying that Israel did that, but there have been elements known to have tried to do that in its early history. Wouldn’t that have been an ingenious idea on the part of the Israeli’s? OK hsshhhhh, now forget I ever mentioned it….:)

    I guess something are just easier said than done. In the end, the whole thing just equals headache!

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  541. Salam
    August 5, 2008 at 6:05 am

    screw israel

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  542. anon
    August 5, 2008 at 10:50 am

    I checked back to see if there were any intelligent responses to my comment but all I found was the above “Screw Israel” which is an attempt to derail any apathetic intelligible responses oalthough it adds credibility to my instigation theory. The topic is not Israel…the topic is will peaceful marches stop settlements there ….and is Israel using the Palestinian violence as a means to no end….or does it even want to stop building settlements if there were peace …

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  543. leo
    August 5, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Anon @ 582,584

    Actually, you did not say much.

    In a nutshell. In you accusations you are putting carriage before the horse.
    If Israelis bulldoze homes it is because those are either homes of terrorists (here goes your clever kinetic reference) or illegally built structures. Latter is equally applied to Arabs and to Jews.

    As to whether to build or not to build is sole discretion of State of Israel. If and when there is going to be State of Palestine (or whatever the name) then and only then there is going to be an alternative. So, if I may suggest, hurry while you still can.

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  544. Adam B
    August 5, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Anon: Peaceful protests are the only things that’ll get the rest of the world over on ‘their’ side, and without the goodwill of the rest of the world, the palestinians are screwed. As it is right now, half the worlds population don’t give a f*ck about the troubles of the palestinian people because said people have continouosly supported groups that promise and/or commit acts of violence against everyone else… They would do well to heed the succes of Gandhi’s methods – display the moral shortcomings of your enemy (provided said enemy thinks of itself as civilized and humane) and the enemy will have to reconsider their actions lest the rest of the world take your side.

    As for Israel, well the sooner they get their f*cked up orthodox citizens under control the better for everyone. As it is right now, they don’t have much to worry about ’cause the actions of the palestinians are making their sh*t look like nothing, but if the antics of the palestinians should one day ease off the israelis will have a whole basket of troubles on their hands with this bunch of lunatics!

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  545. anon
    August 5, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    heh and I Leo got absolutely nothing out of your response except the usual…trying to justify Israel as the Alpha righteous nation of the world, after many of your country men have already ceded to the fact that there are huge anomalies ON BOTH SIDES. In all reality you just took 2 steps back for your nation. Good go :)

    @ Adam B, I agree fully. I guess the Palestinians are right where the Israeli’s want them to be in your opinion. How’s London BTW? If you are a different Adam, Excuse me.

    CC you referred to there being no private funded Christian schools but you meant public and went on to talk about peaceful protests and what not which has developed into a can of worms because the “i” word was mentioned..So please take over because I am out of here before I am called Jimmy Carter and an antisemite or something? See ya, thanks

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  546. anon
    August 5, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    The British colonial power in the early twentyth century gave the promise (Balfour declaration in 1917) to create Isarel. In 1948 the plan was being implemented. Why the Brits fought with Israel then and tagged “Begin” as terrorist? did the same yardstick they used to identify right and wrong then they still use today, or they abondoned it and recognize a legally different land boudaries that define acceptable Israel to them???!! Where the US stands in this drama? or they just leave it to military power to define?

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  547. leo
    August 5, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Anon @ 587,

    “I got absolutely nothing out of your response except the usual…trying to justify Israel as the Alpha righteous nation of the world”

    You missed it again.
    Israel is the State and it has laws. It is no different from any other State responsible for well being of its citizens.
    ‘Alpha righteous’ (whatever it may mean) is your invention, not mine.

    “after many of your country men have already ceded to the fact that there are huge anomalies ON BOTH SIDES. In all reality you just took 2 steps back for your nation. Good go”

    If it make you feel any better, I agree regarding anomalies.
    It is how each side addresses it that is the problem. Israelis seem to know how to control and minimize effect of theirs while Palestinians only know how to exacerbate.

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  548. CarpetCaptain
    August 5, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    Anon you’reright I meant publicly funded schools although I was also about to add privately funded colleges.

    The Palestinians are going to have to learn how to be effective PEACEFULLY to get more of the world on their side. Handing out candy after an event like 9/11 doesn’t qualify, cheering when Sadat gets assassinated also doesnt count. Personally I can’t think of why any Egyptian is still supportive of them. I didnt like Sadat (with the exception of the peace accord) but he was MY president nonetheless.

    Palestinians are probably the least media savvy group in the world. They line up behind Saddam, Osama and now Najad. If Satan was to come around I’m sure they’d line up behind him too providing that he can be harmful to their cause. When Sadat was negotitating Camp David they would’ve had a lot more land to call their own. Instead scumbag Arafat got busy as usual with his meaningless, mindless rhetoric and the Israelis got busy building settlements.

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  549. Twosret
    August 5, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    CC,

    Is that all what you know about Palestinians? really?

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  550. CarpetCaptain
    August 5, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    Here we go again….

    Two: of course it is…..i’ve been living under a rock for the last 30 years, how could i possibly know more? Was i supposed to write a research paper about the rights and obligations of Palestinian?

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  551. Twosret
    August 5, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Nope but I think you need to head to a book store and read instead of watching T.V. :)

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  552. CarpetCaptain
    August 5, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    I watch very little TV and read a book a week in addition to keeping up with my Maxim, Stuff, FHM and Playboy subscriptions ;) Anymore reading and it starts cutting into my patio and lounge time.

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  553. Twosret
    August 6, 2008 at 12:02 am

    The only time I heard about Stuff was from George Carlin :) other than that I have no clue :)

    I will give you a good book when I see you at the airport hopefully it will give you a better insight about Palestinians :)

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  554. CarpetCaptain
    August 6, 2008 at 12:06 am

    Is it called terrorism for Dummies ;) ?

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  555. twosret
    August 6, 2008 at 12:23 am

    Just remember that YOU started this okay?

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  556. tedders
    August 6, 2008 at 12:33 am

    okay. Started what? Are you saying some Palestinians haven’t generated staged news reports?

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  557. twosret
    August 6, 2008 at 12:33 am

    600

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  558. tedders
    August 6, 2008 at 12:48 am

    Darn, you got 600!!

    Well let it be known that:

    tedders Says:
    August 3rd, 2008 at 10:01 pm
    I posted just so I could be # 500!!!

    I got 500 :)

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  559. twosret
    August 6, 2008 at 12:56 am

    *sticking my tongue out at you*

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  560. tedders
    August 6, 2008 at 1:03 am

    In some societies, that’s considered flirting!! ; )

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  561. twosret
    August 6, 2008 at 1:17 am

    geeeeeeeez! you know me better :)

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  562. tedders
    August 6, 2008 at 1:34 am

    I guess that depends on what you mean by better!

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  563. CarpetCaptain
    August 6, 2008 at 3:20 am

    The Palestinians have fudged so much that the world has become “comfortably numb” to their suffering. Which confirms my point that they are not media savvy.

    Media savvy people dont parade guys dressed in black with an ak-47 to the foreign press. Showing video of a funeral of some asshole that blew himself up with 10,000 marching in it is not very bright.

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  564. The Gippo
    August 6, 2008 at 9:14 am

    @ CC – 606

    And the sooner they understand this the better chances they will have. Seems that 60 years were not enough to start changing tactics but then again they are slowly self-destructing by goverments or groups of their own making with major internal & external interests at play for this not work.

    Sadly at this point they dont know any better.

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  565. anon
    August 6, 2008 at 9:57 am

    CC you don’t like being wrong do you….? :)

    You said…”Anon you’reright I meant publicly funded schools although I was also about to add privately funded colleges.”

    I was also about to add privately funded colleges?….Dude that’s all you did was infer that there are no privately funded schools, what do you mean – you were about to add..?
    However it is true that Palestinians come off as angry antagonists & terrorists, but all freedom fighters are labelled as such when their occupiers are having cocktails with the superpowers…no? Blowing the whole thing off as if they are dealing with a bunch of terrorists and have smear campaigns & lobbyists targeting them as such.
    I dont know how well versed you are in US history, but have you ever heard of the Boston tea party. the forefathers of America were labelled as terrorists to. I doubt peaceful protests would have done a damn thing back then.
    Anyone please fell fee to jump in…….. Leo, Teddres, Netanyahu, Karen, bj.

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  566. anon
    August 6, 2008 at 10:01 am

    Oh ya…fuck em both btw. I just hate it when one group holds their head up and starts talking condescending garbage crap of how F*cking in the right they are! There is no right in war, just wrong and more wrong and lots of injustices and headaches.

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  567. The Gippo
    August 6, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Israel is not doing any better but why should they? they are not bothered they have the Palestinains were they want in the eyes of the world and beleive me it works.

    They are more and more viewed as another terrorist group (ETA or something even if it is a too far fetched analogy) so why bother, they are the ones doing themselves all the bad publicity and Israel is perceived as the civilzed world doing its best to defend itself which facilitates the US and Europeans (if they count) to continue not given a Sh*t.

    The problem is how the world sees the Palestinain cause which has become so repetitive with little credibility and now the trend of killing their own after Hamas took over Gaza is the best end to this charade.

    They are not perceived as freedom fighters any more as they want & suppose to be perceived despite which ever is their ultimate objective (Absurdly is relative to each group).

    Bad PR plan!!!

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  568. leo
    August 6, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Anon,

    Per your request I am jumping in.

    On the subject of terrorist-freedom fighter. It is not just matter of semantics or perspective. It is also a matter of methodology. If you wish to call suicide bombers blowing up children playgrounds freedom fighters you have a right to do so just do not expect me to share your point of view.

    On the subject of plight of Palestinians CC and Gippo are rising valid points.

    I personally have nothing against Palestinian Arabs making one more Arab state. Hell, have millions of them if you want. But I also recognize their right to live in deep shit if they so desire. I only get mad when they try to screw me up because of their self-inflicted misery. Other than that I am very easy going fella who loves everybody.

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  569. anon
    August 6, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    There you go again Leo — “Other than that I am very easy going fella who loves everybody.” — Well the same goes for palistinians supposed Pallywood and other preposterous accusations. If there weren’t any secular conformist Jews taking part in an unrighteous take over of land after making an exodus into Palestine, I am sure Palestine would just be another happily disgruntled Arab nation like the other 22 or so scum sucking Arab nations as you so happily point out!

    Listen..everybody believes whatever suits them, but I am objective and I tell you what the Israeli’s are doing with their sugar coating is just dead wrong and evil. as is what the Palestinians are doing. It is a shame that this has gone on for so long and the world has its finger up its but.

    Go ahead, start talking about Darfur or Mauritania to make 2 wrongs into a right. etc..

    I say Bomb the Palestinians and the Israeli’s to kingdom come and let some other assholes take over the fight of the land that is a worthless hump of shit to start off with.

    Sorry, I have just had it with the whole f*ucking issue and all the finger pointing.

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  570. leo
    August 6, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    anon,

    What do you propose? Just be realistic.

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  571. tedders
    August 6, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    “Well the same goes for palistinians supposed Pallywood and other preposterous accusations”

    roflmao!

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  572. Twosret
    August 6, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    Teddy,

    You know I wouldn’t do that don’t you? lol

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  573. brooklynjon
    August 6, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    anon,

    The Public Safety committee of Massachusetts in the American Revolution did some very bad things, and were labelled as terrorists, or something akin to that. Of course, that label was given them when they did terrible things to occupying soldiers. If memory serves, they did nothing to deliberately target civilians.

    Obviously, which side you favor colors how you view the righteousness of the people committing violence. As also does when you percieve history as starting, and what the geographical boundaries of that history are.
    Is it tit-for-tat? or is it tat-for-tit? It depends on whether you support those doing tat or those doing tit.

    For this reason, I keep saying (though perhaps not so much lately) that dwelling on historical wrongs is no way to solve a current political problem. Both the Palestinians living in what is now Israel, Gaza, the West Bank, etc, AND the Jews who were booted out of the surrounding Arab countries suffered. BOTH of these groups suffered at the hands of BOTH Israel and the surrounding Arab countries. And any just solution is going to involve BOTH the Jews and the Palestinians accepting a less than ideal solution, BOTH sides reining in their crazies, and reparations to those of BOTH sides who suffered and had their property confiscated. It’s really easy. At least it ought to be. But, first, BOTH sides have to put down their sence of grievance, and their pretentions to angelic innocence.

    bj out

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  574. brooklynjon
    August 6, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    “Well the same goes for palistinians supposed Pallywood and other preposterous accusations”

    roflmao!

    I have to second tedders’s raucous laughter. The production of fake atrocities by the Palestinians (and also by the Lebanese) for the consumption of world media which are either gullible or biased has been well documented. The denial of this is frankly in a league with the denial of the moon landings and of the sperical nature of the Earth.

    “I am objective”

    The very self-referentially ironic nature of this statement is hilarious. One, by definition, cannot have an objective opinion about one’s self. Therefore, the more fleshed-out version of this statement is “I subjectively believe myself to be objective”, which of course logically defeats itself. Rather like saying “I honestly believe myself to be a compulsive liar.” A regular knee slapper to those of us with a firm background in formal logic. The rest of you (or “yous” as we say in Brooklyn) can move on now. Nothing to see here, folks. Carry on.

    bj out again

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  575. anon
    August 6, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    tedders, please stay on the floor…

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  576. anon
    August 6, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    bj very basic yet very true “Obviously, which side you favor colors how you view the righteousness of the people committing violence.” & “Is it tit-for-tat? or is it tat-for-tit? It depends on whether you support those doing tat or those doing tit.”
    For teddy it is exactly that. He is a big pallywood fan. What a fad….what a fashion statement,– pallywood — its like the eating of fried tarantula spiders at a NY cocktail party, something new, something witty, something trendy, something abnormal. But in the end it is considered a delicacy and a gourmet treat?
    To say that Israel isn’t in grave error of Geneva Convention codes is simply retarded and can only be laughed at from deep within the gut. Same goes with the kamakazi Pali kids. Open twosrets blog for F*Cks sake and you will at least see the sentiment & humanity towards non Jewish arabs within democratic & fair Unapartheid Israel!
    Open a pro Israeli blog & you will see the putrid hate for jews that will make hitler seem like a jcok at the iron mill who has an attitude problem
    Both groups are in grave need of divine or atomic intervention because they are on crack….
    Not one pro Palestine begged to differ, but you guys did, showing who is the more aggressive, but we already know that right? That’s why I invited you guys to put in your 2 cents…You guys walk right into it, showing your national pride :), yet Palestinians are so far gone and beat, the g forces from a suicide bomb is better than sniffing coke i heard and they really don’t have the effort to travel down your route, while you guys enjoy power steering. Am I taking their side? Maybe, but not really, cuz everyone loves an under dog. Just as Israel was most of its nascent life. When Palistine starts winning then maybe we will shift to Israel again.
    Israel is like Roy Jones jr. You already know who is gonna win, so its pretty boring but at least the yom kippur and hezbellah wars showed that there might actually be some entertainment value there after all.
    I am sorry guys, i know you guys view this as your livelihood and existence and its not a game. But attempts at removing the onus and exonerating ones self from any blame is just down right Saturday Night comical, whether it be Pali or israeli advocates, hillarious…..SORRY
    Anyways…. “And any just solution is going to involve BOTH the Jews and the Palestinians accepting a less than ideal solution, BOTH sides reining in their crazies, and reparations to those of BOTH sides who suffered and had their property confiscated. It’s really easy. At least it ought to be. But, first, BOTH sides have to put down their sense of grievance, and their pretentions to angelic innocence.”
    Easier said than done……but very noble! Thanks for the objectiveness hah haa, see it’s not impossible, but only if you consider yourself to be objective WTFLOL?
    So anyways have a Good one :)

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  577. tedders
    August 6, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    “The rest of you (or “yous” as we say in Brooklyn) can move on now. Nothing to see here, folks. Carry on.”

    Yous kills me!! :)

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  578. Anon
    August 6, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    I heard SM is going to re-name this as” Blog-Cafe”.Is it true

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  579. Twosret
    August 6, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Anon,

    Palestinians have lost the ability to dream. A very profound statement that only reflects their reality.

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  580. CarpetCaptain
    August 6, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Two

    Are you sure its not the kuwaiti embassadors daughter all over again?

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  581. tedders
    August 6, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    “For teddy it is exactly that. He is a big pallywood fan. What a fad….what a fashion statement,– pallywood — its like the eating of fried tarantula spiders at a NY cocktail party, something new, something witty, something trendy, something abnormal. But in the end it is considered a delicacy and a gourmet treat?”

    Not really sure what your point is here. Trendy? Fashion statement? Hardly. My point was that in trying to manipulate stories, as has been proven time and time again, Palestinians are doing immeasurable harm to their cause. From Munich to Al-Dura, mis-management as a fine art. Ever heard of “the boy who cried wolf”? He lost all credibility. That’s what’s happening to the Palestinian cause. The world is savvy to the machiavellian tactics to direct world opinion to the Pals favor, the attempt has failed big time. If you want to be taken seriously, then save the drama for yo mama!

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  582. Twosret
    August 6, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    CC,

    If in doubt go ahead and prove to me she is. You can contact the bbc and find out for yourself.

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  583. Twosret
    August 6, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Teddy,

    Give me one source you regularly read that is not pro-Israel.

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  584. Twosret
    August 6, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    and by that I mean show me the balance in your statements and judgment. Bringing the opposite side and calling it facts is nothing but repeating what they say.

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  585. CarpetCaptain
    August 6, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    “If in doubt go ahead and prove to me she is. You can contact the bbc and find out for yourself.”

    I’ll get right on it. Even better i can catch the BA eveing flight and go see the film roll ;)

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  586. brooklynjon
    August 6, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Two,

    I doubt the’re doing a whole lot of dreaming in Sderot, either. And soon, in Ashkelon, whatever dreams they have will be converted to nightmares.

    In any event, Palestinian children DO dream. Yyou see it in the children’s shows produced by HAMAS. They dream of a land in which the Jews have all been killed or chased away. They dream of a Mediterranean Sea turned red with blood. These are not your dreams or mine. But they are dreams, and that is exactly the problem. If only they dreamt less.

    bj

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  587. brooklynjon
    August 6, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    anon,

    I don’t consider myself to be objective. I do consider myself to be fair. And I harbor no hatred to anyone. You can ask some of my political adversaries if they think that I am biased but fair (Two, Mo?).

    I know from history what is the prerequisite of peace – real peace. It is the pervasive sense among at least one of the combatants that continued struggle is so futile, that absolutely anything would be better. As desperate as the Palestinians are – and don’t get me wrong, I don’t envy their lot – they clearly substantially believe that continuing the violence is in their interest. Contrast this, say, with the pervasive sense of the Japanese nation after Nagasaki. Collectively, they decided that absolutely anything was prefereable to a continuation of hostilities. So they sued for peace. UNCONDITIONAL peace.

    In a nutshell, this is why in 2008 the Japanese are where they are, and the Palestinians are where they are. Not an unbiased opinion. My opinion. But an educated opinion that looks at the bigger historical picture. Gd willing, at some point soon, the body politic of the Palestinians will look at what they have and say “This sucks, but it’s better than fighting. Let’s settle for what we have, and start to build from here.” Let it be soon.

    bj

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  588. CarpetCaptain
    August 6, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Has anyone been in touch with SM? Is he ok?

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  589. tedders
    August 7, 2008 at 12:35 am

    “Give me one source you regularly read that is not pro-Israel.”

    The BBC
    :)

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  590. leo
    August 7, 2008 at 2:08 am

    “Contrast this, say, with the pervasive sense of the Japanese nation after Nagasaki.”

    BJ, Japanese are lucky. They did not have their brothers to guide them.

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  591. tedders
    August 7, 2008 at 4:15 am

    “Ummm, maybe you should blame Israel for the whole cluster bomb thing. They, after all, launched the war.”

    Uhm, the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers or the 500 Quassam rockets had nothing to do with it?

    Nasrallah and Hezzbollah over stepped their bluff tactics. Next time it’s going to be much worse for them, much worse I’m afraid.

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  592. brooklynjon
    August 7, 2008 at 5:21 am

    tedders,
    It reminds me of the saying that a wife has the last work in any argument. Anything her husband says after that is a new argument.

    The kidnaapping of the Israeli soldiers was the end of the LAST war. Israel’s response was a new war.

    bj

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  593. lady
    August 7, 2008 at 8:26 am

    I’m actually quite worried about Sandmonkey…

    Any of you regular posters who’ve met him know if he’s doing ok?

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  594. anon
    August 7, 2008 at 10:03 am

    If only the palestinians dreamt less. (Jewish blood in the Sea)
    And if only the Israeli’s stopped realizing their dreams! (Occupation, theft greed, apartheid, sugar coating) when Israel is constantly trying to avoid civilian deaths, they have managed to kill more Palestinian CHILDREN ALONE THAN PALESTINIANS HAVE KILLED ISRAELI CIVILIANS?
    Tit for Tat all the way till Apartheid falls and there are democratic elections in the democratic Israel and rule of law is handed over to the majority. Just like what happened in South Africa.
    If there is one single handedly retarded catastrophic move that has ever taken place, it is the attempted creation of Israel. Jews lived glorious happy lives under Muslim caliphate rule. Meanwhile let’s just let history prove itself wrong and repeat itself shall we.

    Now for the Palestinians, you are losing. Control your rage. read books. Learn to scheme and plan. Lay down in the streets under tanks, it is better than blowing your self up which can not ever be considered martyrdom. Make a scene. It says in your Koran only take up arms if your are persecuted. You guys are not persecuted, you guys are f*ucked up the ass. All the odds are against you. Your standard of living has improved and your mortality rate since your Jewish colonial occupiers took over your lives. Yes, oppression is bad, but you won’t get anywhere doing what you are doing. Eventually you will learn but by then all that will be left is 46 square meters of West Bank & Gaza combined. I know they provoke you guys but quit whining and fight using your brains. Jews don’t rule the world and neither do 2 year old toddlers but both are held in high regard by humanity and you can not beat a child and get away with it. So you guys wont win using violence.
    FUCKING CAPICHE ALREADY!?

    NOBODY IS BLAMELESS!

    Tworset, neither are you.

    Both groups, Israelis and Palestinians are vile criminals.

    End of Story.

    BTW Sandmonkey is fine. We had a bet last week, whether or not this thread will surpass the infamous record held of 685 posts, April 2007.

    My recipe – antagonize the majority here by politely hinting that Israel is in the wrong and with the help of Tworset, it will lead to 1600 posts. Shut the f*uck up and pretend to condone Israel it wont go past 400. Looks like I will be winning this bet. But in case you haven’t heard. SM is a very sore loser and it takes him forever to pay up :(

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  595. brooklynjon
    August 7, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    anon,

    This whole Israeli apartheid canard is really getting under my skin. Israel is the most polyglot society in the Middle East, bar none. There are 1.3 million Arabs who are citizens. Full citizens. If their lives are not as peachy as the other ethnic groups within Israel, it is perhaps because their representation in Knesset is less than effective at promoting their interests than it is at antagonizing everyone else. Meanwhile, Israel gets called “Apartheid” for actually enforcing it’s international fronteir. Well guess what? Every soverign state does. Policing one’s borders doesn’t make one an Apartheid state, it makes one soverign. Just ry waltzing into Australia without a visa. Or Saudi Arabia.

    In fact, if there IS an Apartheid state in the ME, it is the illustrious KSA. There, you really can’t go to certain areas if you are the wrong religion. In fact, you won’t be allowed into the country if you are the wrong religion. So if you want to rant and rave that Israel has no interest in having non-citizens entering at will, at least add to your rants the extreme affront to human dignitiy that is KSA’s refusal to allow Jews in, or to allow any non-Muslim near Mecca.

    bj

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  596. EgyPeter
    August 7, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    BJ, and that is why I will be spending my fall vacation in Egypt and Israel not Egypt and KSA…although, I hear that Jeddah was on Maxim’s list of ‘The World’s Top Ten Party Cities’ – I think right behind Miami and Rio.

    Here’s a cool article I found on SM and Egyptian bloggers.

    http://www.cjr.org/feature/the_hunger.php?page=1

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  597. anon
    August 7, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    I can see your point of view. Let me get you an emollient for that epidermal prblem your having. how about some Pally cream? :)

    Just to throw a pebble into your lake and make a ripple. Does your version of fair international border security include 4 day waits while pregnant ladies hemorrhage to death waiting to cross. I thought you are a nurse or dr. or something, is that humane bj? Is that just and compassionate bj? Your forgoing this fact seems almost hubris.

    Hey, then again it is tit for tat isn’t it…oh ya and I forgot, intellectual sugar coating :) Absolvement flavor found at exonerated retailers near you :)

    You think this is snarky, wait till you hear what I will tell a Palestinian who bears the same tone. I will white wash windows with them, although it is much harder to do without using the terrorist label.

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  598. Twosret
    August 7, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Good morning anon.,

    I don’t think I have said much in this thread other than just casually chatting with some people. I shouldn’t get credit for the 600+ posts but if you really want it to go up 1,500 I will be more than happy to :)

    But why do I have a feeling you took the role of my deceased dad to scold me :) but I agree I’m not blameless…. who is really?.

    Too bad my heart is somewhere else these days and I am drained.

    If SM doesn’t pay I will cover his ass no problem.

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  599. Twosret
    August 7, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Jeddah the top party city Egypeter? Revolting very revolting!

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  600. brooklynjon
    August 7, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    anon,

    An international border can be sealed. Period.

    If my pregnant wife shows up at a border crossing with Canada, they have every right to turn her away. If they want to let her in, but make her wait, they are being nice, in my book.

    The Palestinians have received more aid per capita than any other people. Had they chose to spend it on hospitals, then there would be no need for this pregnant woman to cross the international frontier to receive health care. Instead, they spent it on guns, bombs, and the personal estates of the leaders. This problem should be laid at the feet of Suha Arafat. Not the IDF, which is charged with protecting Israeli civilians from bombers. And if they give pregnant woman more scrutiny than you think they ought, perhaps it is that “pregnant” woman have been used as suicide bombers in the past. The sufferring average Palestinian is, regrettably, reaping what their leadership has sown. I’m not happy about this, but I can’t blame the Israelis for chosing their own security first.

    Two,

    I’m sorry your heart is elsewhere. Here’s to better times in the future. For all of us.

    bj

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  601. anon
    August 7, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    It is amazing how you are sticking to guidelines and speaking as if Israel is one of the highest ranking nations in humanitarianism. You speak as if they are flawless.
    Israel is constantly trying to avoid civilian deaths, they have managed to kill more Palestinian CHILDREN ALONE THAN PALESTINIANS HAVE KILLED ISRAELI CIVILIANS?
    What will you say to this? How about the reasons listed in on this page, care to answer them all too? http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7202433401

    Anyways…I like your earlier comment way better, it was nearly flawless..

    “any just solution is going to involve BOTH the Jews and the Palestinians accepting a less than ideal solution, BOTH sides reining in their crazies, and reparations to those of BOTH sides who suffered and had their property confiscated. It’s really easy. At least it ought to be. But, first, BOTH sides have to put down their sence of grievance, and their pretentions to angelic innocence.”

    Here’s to better times
    Cheers…

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  602. leo
    August 7, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    If I may interject.

    Anon, brooklynjon told you like it it. It does not mean he or I or anybody else is happy about it. But you also have to realize this is the main reason Palestinians have so many problems today even if compared to very recent past. I do not wish them bad despite everything they’ve done. I just love my ass too much. It may not be perfect but it is the only one I’ve got.

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  603. brooklynjon
    August 7, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    anon,

    I am not speaking of Israel as one of the highest ranking nations in humanitarianism. Rather, I regard them as a rather ordinary western nation facing extraordinary circumstances. Let me ask you this. Can you name one other western democracy that has faced an enemy that has used children as combatants and as human shields? I didn’t think you could.

    England faced an insurgency in northern Ireland. Name me one case when the IRA employed their own youth as either combatants or human shields.

    Okay, The Spanish have faced a compaign of terror from the Basques. Did they? Nope.

    America has faced various irregular threats. The FALN had some support from the Puerto Rican community. Did they attack the police from within a crowd of schoolchildren? I didn’t think so.

    No western nation has had to face such a foe. Not a one. So what you’re asking Israel to do is to roll over and commit suicide in the face of an enemy willing to have it’s children roll over and commit suicide. Breaking news: no western nation will do that. Does that make Israel angelic? Of course not. Does that make them the devil incarnate? No, it doesn’t.

    I grew up in a rough neighborhood in Brooklyn. I know what it’s like to live in a bad neighborhood. Sometimes you have to make a choice between being nice and surviving. You can’t fault someone for chosing to survive. Israel, for better or worse, is in a slum. They can commit national suicide, or they can do what they think is necessary to survive. I do not exalt their moral status. But I do not exalt the status of other countries that do not have to make Israel’s tough and unpleasant choices, either.

    bj

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  604. brooklynjon
    August 7, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    I’d like to take the opportunity to agree with leo above. I harbor no ill wil towards Arabs in general or Palestinians in particular. I wish all sides in this ridiculous dispute over a spit of land would give up their sense of grievance and move on. However, I resent the trip through the mud that Israel in particular and Jews in general have taken, solely baswed on their refusal to simply roll over and die.

    Israel needs to take their boot off the Palestinians’ throat. True. But before that happens, the Palestinians have to cry Uncle. Failing that, it is completely disingenuous to complain that Israel is excessively harsh in defending itself. The day the Palestinians give up on violence, and rein in their crazies is the day that I will join you, anon, in insisting that Israel stops making life miserable for the Palestinians. Failing that, although I may regret the Palestinians’ suffering, I certainly wouldn’t apologize for it.

    bj

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  605. Twosret
    August 7, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    bj,

    Few points

    - US and Canada borders are not the same as the check points in Israel. Israel being the occupying force is in charge. It holds the economic in and out of the Gazan borders. Even before the Intifada in 2000 Gaza Israel controlled the ins and outs of Gaza. By doing so Israel cuts off supplies of fuel, medicines and international aid.

    As long as Israel gives itself the right to invade the Gaza than it has to abide to being an occupying power.

    The suffering of the Palestinian people is not self inflicted totally unfair to the average Palestinian who lives in what I call concentration camps. The average Palestinian was displaced from his/her land.

    Want to know how Palestinians lived before Israel invaded Palestine?

    Be my guest and enjoy the link

    http://cheztwosret.blogspot.com/2006/09/if-only-pictures-could-talk.html

    Not so bad for a group of people with civilized lives and homes that were bombed later and destroyed many wonderful pictures of the life of the Palestinians. You see that doctor? he doesn’t look like a terrorist to me does he?

    The Palestinian are still holding to their properties keys and property owenrship as a witness to their suffering.

    Will be back with more responses

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  606. ili
    August 8, 2008 at 12:52 am

    twosret:
    The Palestinian are still holding to their properties keys and property owenrship as a witness to their suffering.

    Oh yes, the suffering. Twosret, honestly: Do you not think it is about time that they would let their grand- and great-grandchildren live their own lifes?

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  607. ili
    August 8, 2008 at 12:58 am

    anon, 645: Would you mind giving further details about those parae who bleeded to death while waiting to cross? It would be especially interesting to learn when and where that happened, why the ladies would have needed to deliver in Israel and why they were not allowed to do so.

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  608. ili
    August 8, 2008 at 1:16 am

    P.S. on that body count thing: In Sderot, the death toll is relatively small because even the toddlers have learnt how to react efficiently to the almost daily shelling. After Code Red, they have 15 seconds left to take cover.

    Similar, btw, goes for Northern Israel during the last Lebanon war: The Katyushas were targeting civilians and rained down heavily. Thanks to the bomb shelters, they did not kill more people.

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  609. CarpetCaptain
    August 8, 2008 at 2:40 am

    “”I hear that Jeddah was on Maxim’s list of ‘The World’s Top Ten Party Cities’ – I think right behind Miami and Rio.”

    Having been to all 3 cities LOTS I’d say KSA managed to do what they’re best at, bribing people for influence (if Peter wasnt joking with his comment). A bottle of Scotch goes for close to $300 in Jeddah and they have some strong views on women not wearing garbage bags. Hell they dont even have movie theaters. Great diving though.

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  610. leo
    August 8, 2008 at 4:37 am

    Hey, Sandmonkey, where are you?

    We miss you.

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  611. Adam B.
    August 8, 2008 at 6:43 am

    Twosret:

    “The suffering of the Palestinian people is not self inflicted totally unfair to the average Palestinian who lives in what I call concentration camps.”

    They voted for PLO and (even worse) later Hamas, didn’t they? I’d say they’re reaping what they have sown…

    “The average Palestinian was displaced from his/her land.”

    The average palestinian had parents or grandparents, who picked a fight and lost. If they hadn’t, I doubt if any palestinian arab would have been displaced.

    In any case, I agree completely with BJ above – the israelis need to back off and respect the international borders, but not much can or should be expected from their side untill the palestinian arabs lay off with the violence. The same goes for the syrians and even the libanese for that matter…

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  612. brooklynjon
    August 8, 2008 at 7:22 am

    Two,

    It’s exactly that grievance theater with the keys and all that’s keeping the Palestinians from moving on and building a functioning society. It’s time to toss the keys out.

    bj

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  613. tedders
    August 8, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    How many Arab people were displaced in ’48?
    How many claim the right of return now?

    How many Jews were evicted from the region in ’48 and after?
    How many Jews and descendants are claiming right of return now?

    “The angel told Hagar that Ishmael would become “a wild donkey of a man” and would be in constant struggle with others.[3] “And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him;” From Genesis KJV Bible.

    My ancestors owned a cotton plantation near Richmond Virginia before the civil war, they were kicked off it after the civil war . I’m pretty sure the land would be worth 100′s of millions of US dollars now. I’ve never once thought I should be able to claim it. Alsace Lorraine, Sudetenland, Prussia, the Balkans. History is rife with examples of lost land, migrated peoples, victors sharing the spoils. Never once in history has an entire culture worshipped at the alter of death for their children, praising martyrdom (suicide) like the Palestinians.

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  614. leo
    August 8, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    “praising martyrdom (suicide) like the Palestinians”

    Actually, Palestinians are not the first in history. They just raised the scale of it higher (or lower?) than ever before.

    However, typically it is the sign of the end because it is nothing more than desperate measure designed to delay the inevitable.

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  615. khaled
    August 9, 2008 at 5:27 am

    where the hell is SM? he’s been away for a while now dont u think?

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  616. Mansour
    August 9, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Sandmonkey. Where the fuck are you? I hope you haven’t been arrested and sodomized with a stick at the SS HQ

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  617. anon
    August 10, 2008 at 3:44 am

    SM ; has been away almost same length of time Isis (of Isis-blog) has been away. Are they on a trip togather?!!

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  618. bishbish
    August 10, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    lol ‘da palace-tinians’ when will it enddddd???? when will they stop milking that cash cow oops i meant struggle???????? Populations have moved/shifted throughout history numerous times—————–get over it and behave like civilized humans

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  619. tedders
    August 10, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Bshbish got #666!! :O

    :) :) :)

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  620. bishbish
    August 10, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Nope the number of the beast is branded conspicuously on the junior senator from illinois, whose name eludes me at the moment. I know he shares his first name with an Israeli PM and his middle with a deposed petty dictator of a failed state carved out by Winnie Churchill….

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  621. Mike Nargizian
    August 11, 2008 at 12:39 am

    Twosret
    the Gazan borders. Even before the Intifada in 2000 Gaza Israel controlled the ins and outs of Gaza. By doing so Israel cuts off supplies of fuel, medicines and international aid. As long as Israel gives itself the right to invade the Gaza than it has to abide to being an occupying power.

    It’s just amazing when debating with the likes of someone like Twosret she/they can’t even make an honest argument regardless or not if they have a decent point to make.
    Israel offered to let hospital supplies and aid in.. Hamas refused. Hamas wants to be able to import more weaponry, advanced rockets, bombs and mortars… and since the Israeli settlements were withdrawn they have been shooting rockets incessantly into an Israeli town Sderot…
    Hamas wants the conflict and the suffering – it helps them and their popularity and focuses the average Gazans thought process to hating Israel and and ignoring the incompetent gov’t they have.

    The suffering of the Palestinian people is not self inflicted totally unfair to the average Palestinian who lives in what I call concentration camps. The average Palestinian was displaced from his/her land.

    Further proving my above point.. she has to call them concentration camps… a joke from a joke of a person. And the suffering is self inflicted if you consider their gov’ts their doing.

    Want to know how Palestinians lived before Israel invaded Palestine?

    You mean the Arabs declared war to wipe out Israel you mean… just a typo right or is your history really that bad and your grammar and writing as well?

    The Palestinian are still holding to their properties keys and property owenrship as a witness to their suffering.

    Just as the other 40 million people who were refugees after WWII? NO??
    The people who often moved not more than 20-30 miles are still 60 years later “refugees”… yet people who were forced to move 100′s and thousands of miles today aren’t refugees any longer?????? how’s that work?

    The same or greater number of Jews from Arab lands were displaced and most today live in Israel.. how come they’re not still “refugees” and eligible for UN Aid in the billions????

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  622. Louise
    August 11, 2008 at 1:52 am

    Sandmonkey, come back to us. I worry about you when you go silent on us.

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  623. t
    August 11, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    is he died ?

    Reply
  624. CarpetCaptain
    August 11, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLB704833

    “Hamas blames Gaza tunnel deaths on Egypt, The Islamist group Hamas said on Monday Egypt was responsible for the deaths of eight Palestinians because it used water, gas and explosives to seal a network of tunnels under its border with the Gaza Strip.”

    If I’ve ever seen the definition of flawed logic then this is it. Apparently its Egypt’s fault that Hamas and its agents are digging tunnels to smuggle weapons and explosives under the border of a soveirign country. HMMMMMMMMMMM

    Another example of not knowing the meaning of the word accountablility:

    “Ghsain said Cairo “shares the blame” with Israel for the blockade by keeping the coastal enclave’s only border crossing with Egypt closed.”

    But of course Hamas is innocent and harmless of any blame for being a POS terrorist organization 8-)

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  625. bishbish
    August 11, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    tx for the link tedders :)

    yeah milk those poor persecuted hamastinians… bad egyptians how dare they conspire with the jooooz against their own brothers. those were only yogurt filled kassam rockets and chocolate covered bullets that the israelis confiscated at the border.

    Reply
  626. tedders
    August 11, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    Yeah! Milk and lions, of course, I mean … the milk is for the lion cubs, right?
    ;)

    If they could get ahold of some of those flying monkeys then they wouldn’t have to dig so many tunnels!!

    Reply
  627. Adam B.
    August 12, 2008 at 7:06 am

    667. CC -> They’re pretty big, those tunnels, if they can smuggle an entire wedding bed through…! :D

    Reply
  628. Adam B.
    August 12, 2008 at 7:13 am

    CC, That article is full of goodies!

    “and who will be permitted to fire rockets at Israel.”

    You know there’s infighting when they can’t even agree on that! :D

    “Hundreds of Fatah members have since fled to Israel”

    Gee, I guess it can’t be THAT bad in Israel when members of Fatah and Hamas prefer them to each other…! :D

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  629. CarpetCaptain
    August 12, 2008 at 7:23 am

    Adam:

    Did you read th part about the 38yo dirtbag marrying the 15yo girl and the smuggled fridge from Egypt? lol

    I’ll find you the article I read last week about dozens of Fatah people that ran to Israel to hide from Hamas and then got turned to Mahmoud Abbas when he visited Jerusalem later in the week. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm remember the song?

    Reply
  630. Susan
    August 13, 2008 at 6:57 am

    I give you a lot of credit for not deleting some of the foul nonsense that gets spewed here, not the least of which is the insane filth being paraded under your own name (I guess if someone is stupid enough to espouse the views he does, he’s stupid enough to think that someone will be fooled by his appropriating your name). I have to assume that you believe censorship to be the wrong weapon, here, as reading these screeds is the best defense against them.

    Reply
  631. guringo
    August 25, 2008 at 5:03 am

    “BTW Sandmonkey is fine. We had a bet last week, whether or not this thread will surpass the infamous record held of 685 posts, April 2007.”

    As the unofficial record breaker, a big mazal tov to me!

    Actually, I thought SM went belly up last year or so, so it’s great to see he’s still up and kicking.. In fact, whatever people vent and spew, here and elsewhere, it’s f*ckin therapeutic, so keep it up, an asshole-free Middle-East is closer than ever….

    -G

    p.s. Big Pharaoh, wherever you are, miss you too…

    Reply
  632. tedders
    August 27, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Post 687!

    Point goes to the Sandmonkey!!

    Reply

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