Where do we go from here?

Watching the news channels in the US this morning, I am both amazed and amused by their inability to deal with the Obama win. It's like the old song lyrics go: "The Battle is done, and we kinda won, so we sound our victory cheer. Now tell me, where do we go from here?"

CNN is still a cornucopia of holograms and colors, with them still stressing over the number of senate and house seats whose ballots haven't been counted yet, and getting the right amount of popular votes for each candidate, because while it was important to let McCain know that he lost, it's even more important to twist the knife, because, otherwise, where is the fun in that?

MSNBC , on the other hand, has calmed down a little bit since yesterday cry-a-thon (seriously, news anchors were crying from Joy. So much for media unbiasedness), and are now getting down to the business of "Who will be in an Obama government", and arguing over every hypothetical appointee- even though Obama didn't choose anybody yet. Bush is so not mentioned anymore I think he should like bomb somebody, as if to remind the people that he is still around, and has 2 more month in office, during which he can still kind of do damage. Come on Bush, be a maverick: Bomb Vietnam or something. They will never see it coming!

A brief switch to the land of BET (that's Black Entertainment Television for you, whitey) has shown a a talk show where the host was asking a number of very well dressed Black folks what they should do to help the first black President, and one of them said that they now have to become more responsible, better husbands and wives, make sure that their kids stay in school and get an education,so that Obama can have- and I am not even kidding here- a "grassroots army of supporters" ready to come to his aid when he needs it. And that's when I switched the channel, because if you were waiting on a President from your same ethnicity to make sure your kids get an education, for no other reason than have them become soldiers for his cause, then, ehh, I don't even want you to vote. Nothing personal, You just don't sound all that well in the head to me.

And finally- and I have kept the best for last- Fox news. Oh Fox news. Watching Brit Hume yesterday referring to himself as a "Child of the civil rights movement" just made me fall off my bed and into the floor laughing my ass off. Way to Go Brother Brit. And then this morning they had Karl Rove over to explain to them what happened: The news anchor asked bewilderingly "we always thought the country was center right, is this no longer the case?", to which Karl assured him that it is the case, by stating that Obama's policies of "cutting taxes for 95% of the american population" and "not having the government in complete control of health care" are both right-wing positions, and that's what won him the election. So Obama is a right-winger now? And here I thought he was a socialist communist godless muslim. My bad. So, I guess, for all you right wing people out there, Hurray for us. One of us just became President. Let's break out the champagne.

As for Palin, my dear lovely Palin who I will miss so much (and yes, I still have a crush on her: A beauty queen who runs shit in her own state, likes having kids -i.e. screwing- and her hobbies include shooting wolves from Helicopters? I WANT THAT!! Any Junior Palin's out there? I am single, baby. Hit me up), there is nothing on her since she last appeared crying yesterday. Whether she is the future of the republican party, or the next White Oprah, we don't know, but I know that she shouldn't run in a national election again. As this father of a friend of mine said to me yesterday "Palin..good for erections..bad for elections". Wise words from a wise man, one that we all could learn from.

And last, I leave you with this average Obama Voter, who will most likely hate him once he actually has to govern the mess that is the USA today.

And if you are curious why she will hate him, just watch this video, and just wait for the day when Black voters will turn on Obama and say things like "well, you know, he is half-white!"

Until that day comes, my friends, smoke'em if you got'em.

Comments

  1. SM

    Of course you are right, in two years or so many voters who voted for Obama will either say that they never supported him, some will say that they were mislead and some will claim that they are republican. I talked with a black girl who said that she is voting for Obama because “she wants a change” (btw she is working in Canada). I looked at her and thought about Iran and all these people who in 1979 wanted “a change” and cheered for Khomeini.
    However, there is one bright light on the horizon for the States- nobody can say now that US people are racists ;-)

  2. forgot to mention – this girl I talked about had scant idea about Obama program, liked his voice and overall her main reason for voting was “I want change, any change” plus (living and working in Canada) she also hated “war in iraq”. But that’s US voters for you :-(

  3. Fuck America if she decided to elect a nigger scumbag like that Hussein Obama.
    Iam so sorry i felt bad for Sept 11
    i wish terrorists slaughter all of the American people next time.
    now America lost the people who really loved her by such an act

    كس امك ياحسين يااوباما يازنجي يابن دين الكلب و كس ام امريكا و كس ام الامريكان اللى انتخبوك و اللى مانتخابوكش كمان

  4. An Egyptian, what’s wrong with you?

  5. Jeez. Some people – like #3 up here – should not be allowed near a keyboard – actually, near any other human beings.

    Aaaaaaaaaaanyways. It’s been a fun election, and I’m quite glad!

    Well, from now we go into application I guess. Voters have set the bar incredibly high up – too high for any candidate. He will have a lot of expectation management to do; most probably by blaming the previous administration (rightfully or otherwise).
    In the same time, his followership seems so devoted that I think they will cut him a lot of slack, even if he underperforms.

    Which is unlikely though – apparently, Barack Obama is a semi-God.

    * You watch BET? (rofl….)

  6. Ken Price says:

    Barak Obama has the worst of all possible outcomes: his party controls the legislature and the executive, so he cannot blame the Republicans for anything that goes wrong; and given the state of the economy, things will probably get a lot worse before they get better.

    And, if Obama tries to raise taxes, as promised, the economy will really tank. In the 30′s, Herbert Hoover raised taxes from 25% to 50% and brought on the “Great Depression”. The policies advocated by Obama might have the same result.

  7. Hey, everybody.

    Relax. Election is over.

    King is dead! Hail to the king!

  8. an egyptian, id refer you to some of the white supremacist blogs but i don’t know of any :/

    besides they wouldn’t accept you anyway, being a descendant of pharaoh and all makes you part african. YES more than your muslim egyptian comrade you are part african look in the mirror!!!! Unless you’re mixed with napoleon, greek, janisarries, roman or a white slave (yes we had those in egypt) you have african features and it’s beautiful!

    black is beautiful my friend, please grow up

  9. Why even pay attention to pukes like #3.

    Do not give legitimacy by replying and stupid troll will go away.

    Just watch …

  10. kerry actively lobbying/begging for sec state…….oh—-helll no keep senator lerch where he belongs!

  11. Marie Claude says:

    uh, The last thing I heard from her, she said to a spanish journalist, (exclusive interview on 24 h tve) that she would endorse the planet protection and care for pollution but absolutely not a candidate in 2012

    check the videos tomorrow, or just keep watching the todos TV

    http://www.rtve.es/mediateca/videos/20080829/canal-horas/3341.shtml

    uh, may-be she’ll work with Al Gore !!!

    she was once with pat Buchanan ,and for an independant Alaska so she forgets quickly what was her previous agenda, a good girl though

    Sam, LMAO

  12. Melissa in NorCal says:

    I didn’t vote for him, but I’m proud of him all the same. My black friends were ecstatic this morning, and they stood a little taller. If this is what it took for us to finally have closure on this whole racism and slavery thing, then it is worth it. I just hope he doesn’t screw up too badly. I’m out of countries to move to with better options. It could only go down hill from here.

  13. Re : Your paragraph 5. I was watching Fox at the time while reading news blogs, so I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure Brit was referring to Obama when he made the child statement.

  14. I agree with what Melissa in NorCal said!!

    It took 8 years for the pendulum to swing this far left, I’m afraid it won’t take but a year or two to swing back to right of center.

  15. Marie Claude says:

    uh, Sarah Palin thinks she is talking to Sarkozy

    ah Hellooow… I looove you…

    except that Sarkozy doesn’t speak english

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic7s8Qy9FhE&feature=related

  16. I agree, too. It’s a big relief. This morning I was listening to a talk show on a hip-hop radio?I don’t know what else to call it, but they were having people call in to share how others have been acting differently since the election. REALLY interesting.

  17. I’ve been thinking. All of this talk about how Obama is an African American, but really only by his skin color/genes. He grew up and was raised by white people.And, in a prety conservative city/state. He even mentioned how he was shaped more by his father’s absence. Kind of reminds me of how children who grew up adopted think of their adopted parents as their ‘real’ parents moreso than their genetic parents.

  18. Melissa from NorCal:
    “I’m out of countries to move to with better options”.
    I believe a country like Sweden provides more solid quality of living than the current US model.

  19. I guess you have seen the new reports out about Palin…aides are saying she didn’t realize that Africa is actually a continent. It’s good for a laugh.

  20. i can see zanzibar from my house

  21. SM,

    New to you blog, forgive me, did you vote for Obama btw?

  22. Great post! yup i certainly agree with you, they’re on their trying times. we’ll just sit on the sidelines and see how will they get through with the new era.

    Cheers and more power blogging!

    Message in a Bottle

  23. I plan on doing to Obama what the liberals have done to Bush the last 8 years. I will fight him tooth and nail. He is NOT my President. Let’s start look for reasons to impeach him. We are down, but not out. God save these United States!

  24. Maybe Palin erouses some Muslim guys, who like dumb broads. She most certainly does not arouse most caucasian guys! She’s so plain stupid and a moron that she can only turn guys off who have brain! yack !!!

  25. James,

    If he does what George Bush did I am with you but the reality is he opposed George Bush policies and the criminal war on innocent people in Iraq. So suck it up for 8 years like we did lol!

  26. What will be…..dems will blame everything going wrong on the republicans, it is the nature of the beast….dems will raise taxes, it is the nature of the beast….dems will further destroy the economy (look what they have accomplished after only 2 years controlling congress, and yes, congress actually does play a large role in our economy)….it is the nature of the beast.

    As to Governor Palin….91 percent approval rate from the republicans….believe me, we will be seeing, and voting, for her again.

  27. James @ 24,

    I voted for McCain. And I lost and I am not happy about it.
    But I’ll be damn if I’d want to go through another eight years of arrogant stupidity (just check this idiot Mark @ 25) similar to what so called progressive liberals brought to us.

    Twosret,

    I agree to suck it up for the next 4 years but then we will see. If Obama will prove me wrong I will gladly vote for him, otherwise I hope Sarah Plain will run as Number One. She deserves my vote even today.

  28. Sandmonkey,

    I’ve featured you over at Iraqi Bloggers Central on our first post on Obama’s win:

    Arab Response to Obama’s Election

    – from your old friend, originator of the APU (Arab Parallel Universe),
    the One and Only Psycho Sicko American, Jeffrey from New York

    *

  29. RocketRay says:

    MSNBC , on the other hand, has calmed down a little bit since yesterday cry-a-thon (seriously, news anchors were crying from Joy. So much for media unbiasedness),

    In the words of Jon Stewart, “Imagine people having human emotions to an historic moment. Imagine a country coming full circle from slavery and that affecting me on a deeply personal level!”

    With Barack Obama as our new President, we take the moral high ground again. When a European country elects a non-white to their highest office, or an Arab country even has a true democracy, then we’ll talk.

    /white American
    //proud Obama voter and contributer

  30. Has any one heard about this?

    By the way, all I did was copy and paste this here! ‘-)

    Is Obama eligible to become President of the United States?

    http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm

    http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm

    http://obamacrimes.com/

    From all that I have learned about this case, of which many believed was an urban legend and is not, is that Obama is going to now have to back his claim on being a “Natural Born” Citizen.

    If he is, all stays as is.

    If he is not, he will not be able to be elected as President of the USA. The reasion being, that IF he is not a “Natural Born” Citizen, the electors in the states that elected him cannot legally vote for him when the Electorial College meets. The only legal vote the electors will be able to cast is for McCain.

    Mr. Bergs case was tossed out of Federal Court with the reason being “lack of standing”. “Lack of Standing” meant the case he brought had no affect on him. That was because Obama was running for President. Now that Obama has passed the FIRST step to being elected as President of the USA, it does affect him, as well as, all Americans.

    So after this historical night in our country, we learn that there is a question of whether or not Mr. Obama is a “Natural Born” Citizen.

    Justice Souter is justice at Supreme Court with Berg vs. Obama

    Here is how he ruled in the Bush vs. Gore case:

    In 2000, Souter voted and dissented along with the three other liberals in Bush vs. Gore to allow the presidential election recount to continue while the conservatives voted to end the recount, making Bush the president.

    Jeffrey Toobin wrote in his 2007 book “The Nine” of Souter’s reaction following Bush v. Gore:

    “Toughened, or coarsened, by the their worldly lives, the other dissenters could shrug and move on, but Souter couldn’t. His whole life was being a judge. He came from a tradition where the independence of the judiciary was the foundation of the rule of law. And Souter believed Bush v. Gore mocked that tradition. His colleagues’ actions were so transparently, so crudely partisan that Souter thought he might not be able to serve with them anymore. He seriously considered resigning. There were times when David Souter thought of Bush v. Gore and wept.”

    Due to the way Justice Souter felt after Bush v. Gore, I truely believe Justice Souter would have dismissed this case altogether if everything was fine with Obama’s Citizenship Status.

    All information about this case has been posted to the Facebook group “Berg vs. Obama”.

    Get informed about this case, and stay informed about this case!!

    “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” George Orwell

  31. When the black folk turn on Obama when they don’t receive fat cheques in the mail, he will have a real reason to be scared; they will make Obama’s cousin Raila Odinga look like a pussy cat.

  32. tedders – I know all about it…..seems Obama doesn’t want to release his birth certificate to the courts. Apparently, the next date to look at is Dec. 1 – check out Atlas Shrug’s blog for the latest information.

  33. Palin ran her own business, birthed five children, was a council person, Mayor, and now a Governor that balances an 11 billion dollar budget with 24,000 staff, and she is suppose to be dumb – God help the rest of us then.

  34. oh no she’s not dumb! but she’s not ready for primetime, she might not ever be ready. some people are just destined for regional politics, it does not make her bad or good.

  35. Leo,

    I hope that what you mean by “suck it up” is to behave graciously, and offer your best advice on how to implement the best part of the legitimate goals of the new administration.

    America can have only one President at a time. That President needs genuine advice from everybody because this country is not homogenous. This President needs to be disabused of the notion that certain of his noisy, opportunistic followers know anything whatever about running a country. If he’s honest within himself, he already knows that, and will be receptive to new information. If not, he will crash and burn, which would not be good for us.

  36. I will giveTHe one exactly the same respect and cooperation the Dems gave my President

  37. Marie Claude says:

    As to Governor Palin….91 percent approval rate from the republicans….believe me, we will be seeing, and voting, for her again.

    um, of the evangelist fraction, cause 49 % of the Repub guis voted for O, and I know a few specimen :lol:

    otherwise, I have seen the polls and how they were questionned by the both parties, depended from wich side they were edited , so even the 91 % of approval can be questionned

    uh, to me it’s equal, I hope O is as intelligent as it is said by the medias that represented the 6 billions persons that aren’t Americans

    seems that his discourse on iranian threat is much nearrer to our perception since he got elected, so American policy isn’t moving to 180 ° soon I expect

    O is a contemporary man that lots of ouur american friends couldn’t forecast,
    they reflect the world through old criteriums, and the WORLD has changed without they noticed it, open your eyes !!!!

  38. cherryl,

    congressman peter king (r) ny one of only 3 in the north east i might add said it best

    ‘obama was not my nominee for president, but he is my president.’

    we’ve had 8 years of ‘the vast right wing conspiracy’ and eight years of the so called ‘drive by media.’

    Dontcha think 16 years of partisan politics is more than enough. im not gonna subscribe to barry’s platitudes of yes we can.

    but maybe just maybe YES WE MIGHT!

    IF NOT ROMINY/PALIN 2012 :D

  39. but maybe just maybe YES WE MIGHT!

    IF NOT ROMINY/PALIN 2012

    Good one Andy!!

  40. Palin ran her own business, birthed five children, was a council person, Mayor, and now a Governor that balances an 11 billion dollar budget with 24,000 staff, and she is suppose to be dumb – God help the rest of us then.

    Someone wasn’t watching the VP debates. On the world stage, yes she’s dumb. Willfully ignorant, in fact.

    Being governor of a state with a population of 600,000 with the added bonus of oil tax revenue so great they can give each resident a US$3000 check every year is one thing. Potentially being the leader of the free world and the most powerful individual on the planet is quite another. The woman was entirely unqualified for the job. Period.

  41. RocketRay @ 45,

    Election is over and it does not matter for next 4 years but just out of curiosity,
    If Palin has no executive experience (or not enough of it) why Obama does?

    Oh, and about VP debate. If Biden had to lie with every other sentence just to stay on par does it really mean Palin is dumb?

  42. leo, Palin is “dumb”, just check the phone call trick made by Canadians when she is supposed to talk to sarkozy

    do you think sarko would talk to this secondary female but not to McCain ?
    do you think that sarko would tell to this female that carla is hot in bed and that palin wasn’t chocked or surprised that a president would say so

    also the way she talk to the supposed sarko is the way a woman is flirting to charm a male, I didn’t know that the “christian” american policy would allow that !!!!!

  43. Marie Claude, did you study at the um uh school of obama? You are right, all of Palin’s accomplishments, including GOVERNING Wasilla and Alaska count for naught when stacked up against um, uh, present, which way is the wind blowing obama.

  44. franchie @ 47,

    First, everybody can be fooled once. Problem becomes when somebody can be fooled constantly.

    Second, was she really fooled or was she mislead by staffer who was fooled (or may even be in on the prank)? You do not expect her screening all the hundreds if not thousands of calls coming in, do you. Rather naive, wouldn’t you say?

    Third, it looks like she was not the only one who was fooled in this fashion.

    Fourth, have you ever been fooled?

  45. Marie Claude says:

    Fourth, have you ever been fooled?

    leo, not yet, but I expect that you would :p
    um, she did have enugh time to converse with sarko to realise it was a weir conversation, BUT only did at the end when the Canadians told her what was on LMAO

  46. Marie Claude says:

    Judith, yeah, clever girl, I did wrote his discourses LMAO

  47. That is funny :D
    #35
    That cop is cute..”They just keep telling me to check out some sort of Obama blog or something.”

  48. Marie Claude @ 50,

    “Fourth, have you ever been fooled?”

    “not yet”

    It was trick question. Here is hook, line and sinker for you.

    People who “are never fooled” happens to be most gullible people there are.

    Everybody was fooled (or being fooled) at some point or the other. Not everybody could recognize it, though. I suspect it may be permanent event.

  49. lol @35

    twelve step obama recovery perhaps?

    oh but the best elixir will be the moment when barry shrugs his shoulders and says sorry guys—-i tried, and i gave it my best, but if you give me four more I”M SURE WE CAN!

    if buy that crap——then peanut farmers can become great statesmen and pigs can fly!

  50. Even on election day Faux News was still pretending that McCain could win. Reviewing the individual state stats and recent histories at realclearpolitics.com at noon PST on Nov 4th it was obvious to me that Faux News was like watching a Baghdad Bob broadcast.

    CNN on the other hand was somewhat comical on the 4th…The pundits were quite certain that Obama would win but could not announce that fact until the West coast polls closed. They announced about one minute after those polls closed.

    As it turned out, crystal balls are probably more accurate than Faux News. So, good luck with your political predictions if you are a Faux News Fan.

  51. And tedders: You are a moron who posts dumb-ass propaganda that has been debunked at every website where people actually think with clear minds.

  52. Such unqualified hostility JAS, your guy won why so pissed off? If your need to find someone who believes “dumb-ass propaganda” I suggest you direct your attention to yourself and your fellow “hope/change” crowd, you’ll figure out you’ve been duped soon enough.

    In the meantime I suppose you aren’t man enough or smart enough to admit that the US Supreme Court Justice David Souter has indeed informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.

    For a schedule of the docket United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit that will be hearing the response you can go to these links:

    http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a391.htm

    http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm

    Read it and weep asswipe! Regardless of the validity of the claim or the importance of the courts decision, the fact is that on December 1st Obama will have to respond to the court. I’d like you to point out exactly where the, “dumb-ass propaganda that has been debunked at every website where people actually think with clear minds” comes into play with my posting of the suit here at SM, where’d you get your law degree?

    Hopefully, having the documents received by that date will prevent a major crisis which would be caused by having a person acting as president who is not qualified to be president. The ramifications of this would be enormous – our military would have no Commander-in-Chief, our laws if they required the president’s signature to be law, would be null and void.

    If Obama truly isn’t eligible for the office I think it will be a fiasco and set the reputation of the US back, on the other hand if he is proven ineligible he’ll have no one to blame but himself. Obama will most likely just ignore the Writ of Certiorari, seems a great start for his Presidential career doncha’ think?

    Why hasn’t he released his records? Seems a simple thing to do. Instead he spends hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep the American public in the dark about his past. Doesn’t seem to bid so well on the trust and hope change rhetoric of recent days past.

    http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news107.htm

    http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80072

    http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20193200&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

    http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/misc2008/Obama-USA-TODAY-ad.htm

    I eagerly await your lucid and well worded response.

  53. “The ramifications of this would be enormous – our military would have no Commander-in-Chief, our laws if they required the president’s signature to be law, would be null and void.”

    I hope not. Country is in no danger to be without President and Commander-in-Chief even for a second. Should this claim pan out, which I doubt, runner-up will take Obama’s place.

    Alternatively, Bush may continue to lead country until courts appoint suitable replacement. That would be most ironic. It is impossible for me to imagine looks on Lib’s faces. Priceless.

  54. Marie Claude says:

    leo # 53

    was trick question. Here is hook, line and sinker for you.

    People who “are never fooled” happens to be most gullible people there are.

    Everybody was fooled (or being fooled) at some point or the other. Not everybody could recognize it, though. I suspect it may be permanent event.

    um, sumethin tells me your lecturing, cuz you can’t be louzer on that one

    LMAO

  55. Marie Claude,

    I do not know about lecturing thing but if you feel shoe fits then there is hope for you yet.

  56. Cute, Becky but I liked mine a little more. I think it was much more realistic :)

  57. tedder:

    Guess what will happen next?

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

    You will continue to believe any stupid propaganda and claims from Baghdad Bobs, Berg, Corsi, Andy Martin, Faux News, et al, and the rest of us will be laughing at your foolishness.

  58. Marie Claude says:

    Leo, a palin “mulette” of course :lol:

  59. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.

    Sheesh, this again? The State of Hawaii has produced his official, authentic birth certificate already. The man was born within the United States of America. Period.

    Even if he wasn’t (like John McCain) he would still be a United States citizen by right of his mother and thus eligible to run for the highest office in the land.

    Get over it. Your guy lost fair & square.

  60. JAS. the factcheck,org you use to argue there isn’t a hearing on 12-01-08 is website that is a division of the Annenberg foundation. Check your facts …

    Are you familiar with Obama and William Ayers connection to the Annenberg foundation? Do some real research and see where your getting your information from. Barack Obama was a founding member, chairman, and president of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was also funded by the Annenberg Foundation. Sound like an unbiased source of information? And you use the term Faux News! Priceless!! :-D

    From their own website:

    “The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels.

    The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.”

    http://terry136.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/factcheckory-the-annenberg-foundation-and-barack-obama/

    A little bit about Mr. Annenberg, the founder”

    “While serving as Editor and Publisher of The Philadelphia Inquirer, Mr. Annenberg saw the need for a publication for teenage girls and, in 1944, established Seventeen Magazine. In 1953, as a result of his belief that television’s growth would create a demand for more information on the part of viewers, he established TV Guide as a national publication.”

    That pretty much is enough for me to know what kind of organization it is, I think the two operative words here are. “Seventeen Magazine”. That’s your source JAS. Who’s laughing now? ;-)

    JAS, you’re such a light weight, you get your information from the huffington post and KOS daily and foundations set up by the creator of Seventeen Magazine.
    If anyone isn’t laughing at you it’s because they’re either teenaged girls ordelusional for “hope/change” like you. Now that we;re all through snickering at your “facts” from the Annenberg foundation factcheck.org, let’s review what is actually fact before you go off on another name calling emotional, “lying liar liars all lies about my messiah you liars” rant.

    It is not stupid propaganda that the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit has on it’s docket for December 1st, 2008, the following:

    No. 08-570
    Title:
    Philip J. Berg, Petitioner
    v.
    Barack Obama, et al.
    Docketed: October 31, 2008
    Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
    Case Nos.: (08-4340)

    Do you still believe that is propaganda? Do some actual research instead of drinking Kool Aid. Go to the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit website and check the docket agenda for 12-1-08. Use multiple sources, it’s probably not wise to use “factual” websites founded by William Ayers but use your own judgement and look around from real sources of information, ones that end with a .gov or .edu are usually better than ones that end with a .org or .com.

    Again (and who knows why I have to hold your hand like a kindergartener) I don’t know, nor do you know about the validity of the alleged charges, neither of us are lawyers. At least I’m not and it would seem intuitively obvious to most that you certainly aren’t. What we do know is that there is a hearing (is that the right term?) on 12-1-08 that Barack Hussein Obama will have to respond to. If you can prove that is not a fact I’m all ears. If you want to rant and rage about the falseness of the charges or the injustice or the treachery, then I suggest you offer you services to Obama’s legal team on the day of the hearing. Until then keep your childish name calling rhetoric between yourself and the voices in your head.

    I reiterate, I don’t think this will go anyplace, I don’t think Obama will be proven to be ineligible for the Presidency, this post was about the election so I posted the facts about the hearing that I had found on other news sites, not discussion boards, then you proved your intelligence and rational by name calling, ad hominem attacks, temper tantrums … But the fact remains that there is a hearing …

  61. “Sheesh, this again? The State of Hawaii has produced his official, authentic birth certificate already. ”

    No. They specifically refused to do so, because no request from either the person or the family had been made. Then, the governor sealed the record.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174

  62. “… he (Obama) would still be a United States citizen by right of his mother and thus eligible to run for the highest office in the land.”

    While first part is true, the second part is true only if Obama were born US citizen and not naturalized. Typically it would mean Obama had to be born on American soil (US proper, US possession, US military base, …) in order to be able to run for position of POTUS.

  63. From another web discussion:

    I want to make the following points:
    1) What has been filed is a Petition for a Writ of Certiorari (Cert Petition). The Writ of Certiorari is not a “process”, it is a “writ from a higher court to a lower one requesting a transcript of the proceedings of a case for review”.
    2)The Cert Petition can be granted or denied. Rule 10 of the “Rules of the Supreme Court of the United States” offers criteria for granting of a writ.
    http://www.supremecourtus.gov/ctrules/2007rulesofthecourt.pdf

    3) A minimum of four Justices must agree to grant the petition.
    4) Response to this petition must be filed by December 1, 2008.
    4) The DNC does not appear to be a a party to the petition.

  64. Roman Kalik says:

    Even if he wasn’t (like John McCain)

    Actually, John McCain was born in Panama Canal Zone, which was US territory at the time (and remained so until 1979). Thus, saying that John McCain was born outside the US is a mistake – an honest mistake, really, but a mistake nonetheless.

  65. @ 29 leo

    what a stupid pathetic wanker you are! To even mention the name Palin after this race! She is and was an insult to the world! …Of course the wohole press are all jerks who dared to ask her an intelligent question! She will be nothing more than a very short P.S. in history and nothing more!

    2012 will be Obama / Jindal that’ll rock!!!

  66. Marie Claude says:

    2012 Romney /Obama

    certainly not Palin, cuz Romney can’t stand her

  67. Let’s see, Sarah Palin, a mother of 5 (that put’s here above 90% of the population IMHO), small town city council member, mayor of the same small town, chairperson of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission from 2003 to 2004, first female governor of Alaska with a population of 683,478 and the youngest person elected to the position. Ran for the Republican Vice Presidential position with John McCain and got 46.2% of the votes and you call her an insult to the world? You’re the wanker Mark! Compared to her accomplishments are yours worth a mention? … Didn’t think so!

  68. I’m back…I was away for 3 months making sure Obama Barry got elected. You said it would never happen tedders & all you Republican right wingers. But you must give him kudos because he won fair & square. Jews will not rule the world after all. They will come darn close, but they wont run it. Hello Israel lobby & hello Obama…

  69. @ tedders

    ..Did I speak to you? yeah the GOP blogtrolls, or better said the Palin wankers are trying themselves as revisionists. …she got 46,2% …. yeah you jerk… she would have made not even half of that on her own, representing the morons and bigott red necks Americans!

    ..Even good ol McCain has realized that she was the biggest blunder in American history for his race. She came last in his gracious concession speech… dont ask why!

    For all the ones, (except the trolls) who still did not realize how damnn stupid and retarded this broad is, listen to the prank call from “President Sarkozy” again! The guys from Montreal gave her at least 6 hints she should have found out on her own that the whole thing was a joke! She bragged about her good relationship with the Canadian officials and then she does not even know the name of the Canadian Prime Minister… ! come one! The average 9 year old knows more than she does!

    Obama made a real good joke about her in his NYC Smith dinner speach: …You know what I like about the Waldorf Astoria Hotel? …From the doorsteps you can see right to the Russian tea room… !

  70. “But you must give him kudos because he won fair & square.”

    That little talking point doesn’t fly.

    fraud in the caucuses

    foreign money

    voter registration fraud

    campaign jettisoned basic anti-fraud precautions

    Anti-fraud tools available, easy to use

    Our real protection is not that the election was free of fraud: it is that, if the Obama administration does not perform well in office, we will throw them out in 4 years. If they do perform well in office, we will throw them out in 8 years. In addition, we will have interim elections at the 2 and 6 year marks, which could greatly restrict the Obama administration’s ability to advance its agenda.

  71. Fair or not I’ve already congratulated Obama and his supporters, he’s President for all of us now, including me. I hope he can do everything he said he would do to make America safe and strong, if not, ’06 is right around the corner and ’08 isn’t far from there. He made a lot of promises, let’s see which ones he can keep now that he bears the responsibility on his shoulders. Seems to me the situation looks a bit different from the rarified air of being in command.

    “@ tedders
    ..Did I speak to you?”

    Well, you know Mark, it is a public discussion forum … maybe you should have whispered!! LOL What were those accomplishments of yours your so keen on comparing to Palin’s?

    We’re waiting … ;-)

  72. @ 74 Hello Rahm Emannuel :)

  73. “..Even good ol McCain has realized that she was the biggest blunder in American history for his race. She came last in his gracious concession speech… dont ask why!”

    Because he saved the best for last? Because he wanted that to be the last thing so the audience would remember it the most?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081112/ap_on_el_ge/mccain_leno

  74. tedders,

    Do you really think conversation is possible?

    I admire your optimism.

  75. “Do you really think conversation is possible?”

    Ha! I’ve got know it all pre teens who are smarter than the trolls here, it’s too fun to turn their baiting around and have it muck up what they thought were real and logical points. It’s not really so much a conversation with them here as it is a warm up or practice in stewardship and guidance with my 9 and 10 year olds! Even trolls serve a purpose in the world!!

    The real fun is dragging their childish views, or more precisely, “feelings”, because there is no real cognitive reasoning that goes along with them, out in the open for everyone else to see, they read like a point for point list of what Katie Couric, Tom Brokaw and Charlie Gibson told them to think. They usually aren’t aware of what’s going on until it’s too late. That’s all I’m shooting for Leo!! ;-)

  76. tedders,

    If those are kids, chances are they will grow up and get smarter.
    If those are adults, not much hope is there.

    Good luck to you in any case.

  77. I’m afraid there’s probably not much hope, but that doesn’t mean it’s not fun sometimes!!! Thanks Leo!!

  78. Karen-(I’m not whispering, nor am I yelling :)
    You’re right. The one I posted was funny for a little bit, but ended up being kinda stupid. SM posted a pre-voting guide from the Onion somewhere on his blog here..That was incredibly funny. Maybe SM would like to come back and visit? :)

  79. To all the bad loser just a reminder again:

    Obama has reached the best result sind Reagan 1984:

    - 8,3 Mio or 6,5% more votes than McCain

    - 53 % of total popular vote

    so stop bullshitting about crap like voter fraud, Acorn asf. He sure doesnt need a GOP tilted Supreme Court like W. to steal the election from his opponent!

  80. Camille Paglia discovering that the Daily Kos version of what “conservatives” had been concerned about was …. not quite a fair rendition of the subject.

  81. You’re right Mark, Obama is our President elect, congratulations to him and all his supporters. I dare say I’ll support him more than most democrats supported Bush.

    With that said, your statement:

    “GOP tilted Supreme Court like W. to steal the election”

    Is myopic at best and delusional at worst. If you do real research into the facts you’ll find that every count and recount favored Bush. The NYT’s and other uber liberal organizations supervised and recounted the votes themselves and Bush came out on top every single time. What the Supreme court did say was that the rules that were already written had to be followed, that Gore couldn’t keep counting and recounting until he got the answer he wanted, by the way he only wanted to recount the districts where he thought he had the advantage. The Supreme Court ruled that they had time limits that were decided before the election and those would hold. The myth of the Supreme court stealing the 2000 election is just that, a myth. You’re blowing your credibility by regurgitating crazy talking points that have no basis in reality except that the Huffington Post and KOS daily swear by them. If you expect cooperation from the other side of the isle you might want to think more critically of the statements you put into a public forum such as this.

  82. I’m wondering if we are dealing with a linguistic difference, here. The term “fair and square” has a specific meaning to Americans. It means “without cheating.” It’s one thing to win, and another to “win, fair and square.”

    The Obama Campaign and its supporters engaged is documented instances of fraud of several varieties. The only question is the scope of the various fraudulent schemes. Our news media largely chose to ignore or minimize or whitewash the reported instances of fraud, instead of investigating, hence the early and large number of mea culpa articles, such as the one by Camille Paglia, above.

    If Barack Obama is a decent man, then both his campaign and the US press have done him a disservice.

  83. Anyone who voted for McCain is a retarded troll. Takes one to know one & label one. Going with the winners means abandoning all the McCains & racists that lost the election & getting with the the huge majority of TROLLS which you name callers will be forced to recognize as a force. We the Obama supporters of change may be called liberal now, but with Rahm emanuel & others on our curb the Israel lobby side in return for power, you guys will be forced to soon call us the conservative liberals & yes even the right wing one day. Real Judaism puts the well being of humanity as a whole before self interests, unlike the gangs of N.Y. money people. even the Israel lobby (esp the Israel lobby) will sell out in a heart beat because change has come & with change there is great power.

    Rahm Emanuel knows it. He knew it way back in the Clinton days.

    Obama has already started by sending new Sheriffs over there

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128308

  84. Melissa in NorCal says:

    Sorry Ohio, but I’m a spoiled California girl. Sweden would not be on my list. My Austrian husband loved Sweden because the girls were so easy. He said he’d live there if not here, but for the freezing cold most of the year.

  85. The bullshit (or moose poop) never ends here… are you Americans (I’m European) really so stupid as you pretend to be?! … yeah Rahm Emanuel is a zionist and Barack Hussein Obama is of course a muslim!

    Please stop being racist and judging people from their names and labelling them in a retarded red neck thinking way!

    We all thought you finally were over the name, race n gender issue and again ahead of the curve…an example tothe world… am I mistaken? So is Mc Cain jewish then? John Sidney (a very jewish name..) McCain? Palin is a Latvian name … so maybe she’s a KGB agent in disguise… sent from Putin himself… !!!

    Cut the crap and get on with your business. Let Obama be President and judge him fairly for his actions! That’s all we wish for!

  86. Palin is not Latvian. Palin is maybe Labia’n at best lol…

    Moose hunting for wolves out of a helicopter over the soveirgn country of Africa anyone?

    OMG, could you imagined if they had won…

    Sorry to speak my mind & say i hold all those who actually voted for those 2 putz’s to be in contempt.

    At least McCain had a very humble and decent concession speach

  87. I am missing a lot here :-)

    1- I can’t comprehend how can anyone vote for Palin. Big puzzle for me!
    2- I can’t stop laughing at the fraud thingy that is just hilarious
    3- Get over it people Obama won

    Merci and aurvoir

    :-)

  88. Marie Claude says:

    # 89, I read that Emanuel was chosen because he knows the Washington DC fauna, also because he was advisng Clinton for organising wealthshare

  89. Elections ended 8 days ago.
    Obama won.
    So, one would think all attention has to be on president-elect, yet everybody is still talking about Sarah Palin.
    Even Olbermann and Maddow cannot stop hissing at Palin’s general direction. And those guys are suppose to be celebrating like there is no tomorrow.

    Nobody ever talks that much about somebody who is so disrespected.
    Here is a hint. They know something they are not telling you.
    And this something – they are afraid. Women is so strong she probably has real chance to knock Obama out of his chair in 2012.

    Now, just imagine this. If Obama is real mccoy and not affirmative action president he will have to prove it by being able to stay two terms. Having ‘stupid nothing from Alaska’ take him out would be most embarrassing. Worst than falling for a prank call and not knowing what is Africa.

    Very interesting. Keep talking, guys.

  90. Marie Claude says:

    Leo, your Sarah is quick to reverse her jacket, she just said that she would enjoy to work for O

    something like addiction to cameras I suppose,
    the white alaskan bears herd is not sufficiant anymore

  91. charlie 316 says:

    I think there is something else wrong with Mark’s comment #85. If the Supreme Court was stuffed with partisans of one party or the other (and I am living too far away to have a view), surely the Clinton administration had 8 years of opportunity to do the stuffing leading up to 2000.

    I appreciate there is a fairly low turnover rate, but does anyone know how many new justices were appointed in the Reagan years, compared to the Clinton years. Might give some idea whether there was an opportunity for partisan stuffing, if you will pardon the expression.

  92. 100! ;)

  93. darn it! you got it tedders :-)

    Leo,

    Yes because she is making a fool out of herself going on every news outlet out there and speaking her usual dumb stuff :-)

  94. Marie Claude,

    Sarah Palin has real chance to be elected to US Senate in 2010.
    This is what “she would enjoy to work for O” means (O, be beware).

    Should it happen it will give her necessary experience to navigate Washington waters with great success. And of case necessary fame and name recognition.

    Whether I will want her or Obama or somebody else in 2012 is different story but you cannot deny Sarah Palin will be force to be reckoned with then.

  95. twosret,

    It does not work like that. It takes two to tango.
    I dare you get interviewed by at least one media outlet. And it does not have to be big boy either. Pick the smallest and easiest you can find and get as aggressive and as annoying as you possibly can. Tell me tomorrow when I should turn my tv or open paper to see you or read about you.

  96. (O, beware), that is.

    Sorry.

  97. Look, I don’t like Obama. However, remember the election of 2000? Remember the dems saying President Bush wasn’t the president and they would not support or follow him? Remember 9/11, why do you think they hit us? The megaphone of the dems saying we did not have a president and they would not support our leader…..can we afford to do this again? We need to oppose him by pointing out, civilly, where he is wrong, why we disagree and elect the people we want to represent our values. But for ill or good, he is the president elect of the USA and we can not, again, leave our country vulnerable to our enemies.

  98. @ leo 96 YA RIGHTTTTTT LMFAO!

    At Tedders, I commend you, you are very smart, you choose your battles appropriately & only engage in talk backs that you are sure you may have a considerable chance at winning. This whole Obama shabama thing is too much, even for the great supporters Zionism like yourself. Now you got the whole Israel lobby & Israel scratching their heads in confusion what they are going to do about this Negro LOLOL LMAO again.
    Should be really fun to watch…

    There….here’s your openning

  99. leo,

    I will be a much better VP than Palin are you kidding me? and I am not a parrot and I own better quality shoes! It is absolutely amazing how anyone and I mean anyone will consider this woman for such position.

    I worry about America a lot as long as there are Palin voters. Sad very sad!

  100. Judith,

    I have no intention of opposing Obama or impeding his efforts just for the sake of being confrontational.
    If Obama does well for the country it would be stupid of me to resist.
    Granted, I do not have reasons to be optimistic about Obama for the moment but I still hope Obama will be able to prove me wrong.

  101. After a US presidential election, you get the usual confessions that we have been both stupid and gullible.

    Then people start talking about what happens next. For example, somebody is interested in taking Obama at his word about campaign financing.

    The $200 Campaign Finance Fix

    Actually a bunch of somebodies are interested.

    After costly race, Groups aim to alter public financing for presidential election campaigns.

    And other somebodies are interested in the voter registration process.

    Note that nobody is bothering to challenge the election results. Americans would rather put up with a faulty election than the turmoil and uncertainty of an election challenge. Americans are willing to let the new guys have a chance, in part because they know that, if the new guys do not perform, they will lose influence in two years and be out in four. If they do a teriffic job, they will still be out in eight years.

    Americans do not like cheating, however, and they have a habit of continually tinkering with the rules. So there will be no toleration of “the fraud thingy.” That’s a third-world kind of mindset.

  102. Roman Kalik says:

    After a US presidential election, you get the usual confessions that we have been both stupid and gullible.

    Well, just goes to show how rumor quickly becomes “fact”, and “inside sources” are in a bit on the made up side. Media’s working too fast, and that’s a fact – working too fast at filling up airspace with “juicy” stuff.

    In this particular case, it ended up being something of a misinformation campaign against McCain and Palin, regardless of how much of an “innocent prank” the whole thing was.

    I wouldn’t blame the two idiots that much, though. I’d blame the much larger array of idiots who shove news on the air, on the internet page, and on the old-fashioned printed sheet, without bothering to verify any of it. Knowing all the while that first impression is everything, and unless the retraction of news is a bigger media uproar than the original news item, no one would even notice…

    But hey – at least folks like ‘Obama 08′ have some extra ammo in under their belt, right? I truly wonder who looks the bigger fool now. :-P

  103. You truly wonder who looks like the bigger fool do you Roman, well you do, & always have.

    Your feeble insinuation that it has been a misinformation campaign against McCain & Palin is beyond preposterous…everyone knows it has been the contrary, you twisted truth twisters.

    Yes I “Obama 08″ & 3/4 of the free world HAVE spoken & we do have PLENTY of extra ammunition, not just some extra … And if you want some of these munitions so that you may continue being poo poo occupiers in Palestine you European rejects, then I strongly suggest you bow down to your temporary masters for the next 4 years & kiss our feet & concede just like McCain did.

    Err…what are we going to do about this self righteous Negro in the White House? Well I suggest you get on the band wagon & concede that Israeli apartheid will fail miserably just as it did in America & south Africa. Get with the winners already!

  104. “So there will be no toleration of “the fraud thingy.” That’s a third-world kind of mindset.”

    Third world? who are you third class citizen with no brain to speak about third world? third world thinking is much smarter than your sorry loser ass.

    Go to the supreme court and fight your case for a fraud in election instead of whining and complaining and insulting people who won’t use you to clean their houses.

    What a bitch!

  105. Twosret,

    Any particular reason you are losing your marbles?

    Third world country is called Third world country for a reason:

    Third World Country (Developing Nation) – Unlike an industrial nation where certain criteria are met, these are nations which struggle to compete because of a lack of one or more of the following: health, education, employment, resources, money, and other various factors. Many are also hampered by corrupt governments who have long ago given up on looking after their own people and use funds to fatten their own wallets while their citizens are starving in the streets. Some are hampered by war or out of control epidemics such as AIDS. These factors make it next to impossible for them to compete in any real way with the industrialized nations.”

    Source: http://www.information-entertainment.com/Politics/polterms.html

  106. Roman Kalik says:

    You truly wonder who looks like the bigger fool do you Roman, well you do, & always have.

    Oh my, oh my goodness gracious. So it’s me who spends so much of his time looking for McCain supporters or “Zionists” to bash, raising a fairly amusing cloud of mindless anger as you go?

    And yet again, the point flew right over your head. You spent so much time bashing McCain, Palin, and so on… so fixated at it, in fact, and at finding more ammo to use for that lofty goal, that you didn’t even notice that you were shooting duds.

    Your feeble insinuation that it has been a misinformation campaign against McCain & Palin is beyond preposterous…

    Oh, McCain’s campaign slung their fair share of mud – part of the reason they lost, in my opinion. Obama had actual questionable characters in his history at the start of his campaign – which he dumped in the gracious manner of a professional politician – and by the end of it, it was rather sad seeing the McCain campaign digging rather desperately for mud.

    McCain really let his campaign advisers run him to the ground with that one.

    It’s just that you somehow refuse to note the words In this particular case. And frankly, no surprise there – you yourself are a one-man hurricane of fanatical partisanship. Does it truly hurt you so much to admit the fact that in this case, it was about made-up “leaks” that were pretty much all about making McCain and Palin look bad?

    And if you want some of these munitions so that you may continue being poo poo occupiers in Palestine you European rejects, then I strongly suggest you bow down to your temporary masters for the next 4 years & kiss our feet & concede just like McCain did.

    *shrug* Fantasize, anti-Semitize, and pretty much conspiracy-theorize all you want. It takes a special kind of person to believe in Vast Right-Wing Zionist Conspiracies – just as it takes a special kind of person to wear tinfoil hats.

    But hey – console yourself with the fact that you’re special.

    Oh, and to keep the facts straight – more than half of us here are from Arab, African, and Persian reject stock. We’re a truly diverse collection of unwanted misfits here, you see.

    Well I suggest you get on the band wagon & concede that Israeli apartheid will fail miserably just as it did in America & south Africa.

    I enjoy seeing a person finish a weak argument with bombastic terminology he doesn’t understand. Oh, we’ll concede that Israeli Apartheid will fail, don’t you worry – just as soon as we’ll have an Apartheid, we’ll be sure to concede it’s inevitable failure.

    Not that I think we’ll ever have an Apartheid – but then, I don’t think you’ll ever understand the correct definition of the term. So yes, just for special people like yourself, Israeli has Apartheid.

  107. Roman Kalik: “…misinformation campaign against McCain and Palin…”

    Either you have never visited a Republican wingnut website or perhaps you did not read any of tedders links in this blog.

    One of the funniest things I saw on CNN on election day was a Republican campaigner passing out Joe the Plumber plungers. He was passing them out to the right people…with all that hearsay inuendo shit in Republican campaigns…and its obvious that many of the Republican wingbats still have clogged brains.

  108. Leo,

    I don’t want a conspiracy theory nut that votes for Kill Obama to tell me I am third world mind set that is all.

  109. Roman Kalik says:

    Either you have never visited a Republican wingnut website or perhaps you did not read any of tedders links in this blog.

    Is it me, or do some people truly refuse to read what I have to say all the way from beginning to end?

    Allow me to quote the same part of my post that seems just as relevant to you, JAS:

    Oh, McCain’s campaign slung their fair share of mud – part of the reason they lost, in my opinion. Obama had actual questionable characters in his history at the start of his campaign – which he dumped in the gracious manner of a professional politician – and by the end of it, it was rather sad seeing the McCain campaign digging rather desperately for mud.

    McCain really let his campaign advisers run him to the ground with that one.

    It’s just that you somehow refuse to note the words In this particular case.

    The particular case in question being the article link originally posted by Valerie.

    Read the article, why don’t you. And *then* you might have the flimsiest notion of what I’m talking about.

    As for Tedders, he Republican leanings aside, he posted about a factual event – a Supreme Court appeal. Whether or not the appeal in question will result in something that Obama will actually be bothered by is rather doubtful, but the appeal itself is a fact.

    And unlike the rather more obvious Democrat wingnuts of the Bush Era, screaming as they did of Vast Right Wing Conspiracies, election rigging, and vote theft… Tedders is actually willing to accept the man from the other party as his President. Good for him, I’d say.

    As for brainless partisanship, it exists on both sides of the American political spectrum. Always did, always will. No one has a monopoly on idiocy and fanatical support. Frankly, though, it was the Obama supporters who were slightly scary with the whole Obamania thing… Obama’s just human, at the end of the day. Just another politician of many, and not some kind of fulfilled ideal.

    I figure some people are in for a rude awakening from that dream… I don’t think Obama is going to be a bad president for the US – but he won’t be the dream some people voted for. He isn’t humanly capable of being that.

  110. :D
    nice link, leo

  111. Maybe…Obama is not human…

  112. Roman Kalik says:

    Of course not – he’s a cleverly designed android, funded by years and years of oil-money from the coffers of the Neo-Cons! Now, their plans for the New World Order are complete! :-D

  113. The kitten made me say that.

  114. Marie Claude says:

    leo

    0 beware , do you mean you don’t like his big ears :lol:

  115. Marie Claude says:

    uh, Roman # 120, a jewish derision ? :lol:

    I can’t tell you the french conspiracy theory is “awake” again, since Sarko is going to “lecture” the capitalists in their ivory tower with these “dumb EU”, so your not alone on your armchair in the next months

    I tell ya, it’s either the French fault, either the Jews fault, that depends only on wich political party you belong

    um, just saying, Im Sarkosist :lol:

  116. Well, Roman, the Palin doesn’t know this or that thing is bound to continue–the more interviews she grants, the more likely similar allegations will occur. That’s politics.

    Valerie’s provided link is, of course, an identified hoax. And just as laughable as when Wikipedia, the most discredited, hacked, plus misinformation, website on the internet is used as a verification source. Information is only as reliable as its original source. Likewise, a single kind of source will lead one astray. An unreliable and disastrous source of information in recent political history: Curve Ball

  117. Twosret @ 116,

    What do you mean by “votes for Kill Obama”

  118. Marie Claude,

    OK, if you insist. HA-HA-HA …

  119. @114 — LMAO…@ Israel doesn’t have an Apartheid. PRECIOUS INDEED!
    Although you tried to come clean by saying that McCain had his fair share of mud slinging you just couldn’t come out as clean as a whistle could you. But hey, thanks for trying. next stop, un-hijack the word anti-Semite which refers to ancient Arabs, Hebrews Amharic’s alike, not descendants of European Azari Jews who Hitler didn’t like.You yourself said that the make up of the occupation capitol of the world is a bunch of Africans, Iranians & Arabs, so how dare you guys use the term “Arab Israeli” conflict, when Israel’s population consists of a lot of Yemeni, Iranian, Ethiopian Jews etc? Obama will help clean your whistle, he is the best thing to have come since Liquid Draino? He will do us all a lot of good. And YES most Jews will bow down coz they are smart, they didnt survive all these years to be occupiers by being dumb!

  120. The supreme court still consists of 7 appointees by Republican Presidents and only 2 by Dems (Clinton)

    The average age is close to 70. The oldest member is 88. Members are appointed for life. Senility tests do not exist…!

    Hopefully there will be some new appointments by Obama!

  121. MISSING PERSON'S REPORT says:

    @ Towsret…could you please tell me whatever happened to those 2 very unsavory characters CarpetCaptain & EgyPeter, did they finally get arrested for inciting hatred? If so, then my oh my, maybe there really is a God! LMAO!

  122. @129 they are alive and free and they are voicing their opinions. Welcome to America and Canada lol

  123. I dont want to know where Scalia and Co. do hide their millions of bribe money for having appointed W. in 2000… which has been “paid” to them by the McBushCarlisle mafia!

    Wanna bet on which boeard W. sits in 6 months? Carlisle! thats for sure!

  124. Obama 08, Roman, leo or Mark,

    Can someone point to me which post # started the talk about Israel in this thread.

  125. I did, Obama 08 comment 74.
    Consider it a shout out to the litttle children shivering in Gaza because the non apartheid israel cut off all fuel to them :D
    In America we say “never Forget” in regards to 911.
    So imagine over 5 million displaced Arabs just soa few Azari rejects can get their rocks off, how can we ever forget that?

  126. Mike Nargizian says:

    Sandmonkey -
    Not that you have EVER answered me on here -and- not that I reallllly care -

    But wtf happened to Ali Abuminah? I mean did he lose like 200 pounds or something or did he find Eddie Murphy’s potion?
    The guy is skinny like a rail now – if it’s the same guy? – the last time I saw him like 5 years ago he was parading around the Calbe Network airwaves pretending to be a moderate who really wants a “2 State ‘Saudi Proposed’ solution] [except that he wrote a book advocating a “bolder solution” http://abunimah.org/

    Anyway – he was so friggin fat he looked like he was out of breath just being hooked up to a mic and talking.

    Did he take 30 grand from the Saudi largesse kitty at the Arab Anti-Descrimination Committee or EIntifadehn website and pay for stomach stapling, plastic surgery and liposuction?
    He must have edited the Google Cache to rid the image of him being a gigantic umpalumpa
    http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=ali%20abuminah&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

    Same annoying voice but that appears to be the end of the similarities….
    OK here’s his picture now at the website so either this is an imposter, different person or WTTTTTTFFFF?
    http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2242.shtml

  127. Mike Nargizian says:

    OK – my bad on the google cache even though I was stating that part in jest obviously (misspelled his name on it)
    http://images.google.com/images?&um=1&hl=en&q=Ali+Abunimah&&sa=N&start=60&ndsp=20

    It can’t be the same guy is it? There was this extremely heavy annoying guy that used to go on Oreilly and other cable shows from like 02-04 discussin the conflict and providing pc cred to Oreilly which is what Bill O really cared about…. I thought he was Lebanese and gay as well?

    Listen, at this point it looks like I’m obssessed with this… lol – but would like it if you could explain the above.
    Thanks…..

  128. Obama08,

    Thanks I will scroll up and read I appreciate your help.

  129. Mike,

    Are you ok?

  130. Twosret:
    FYI…Looking for any name or word search on a blog or page?…CTRL+F
    enter your word query, click Next , Next, etc. or backward to previous.

  131. Roman Kalik says:

    next stop, un-hijack the word anti-Semite which refers to ancient Arabs, Hebrews Amharic’s alike, not descendants of European Azari Jews who Hitler didn’t like.

    *gives time machine*

    Kindly explain that there are more Semitic peoples than the Jewish one to the people who coined the phrase in the second half of the 19th century – this would in Austria and Germany, during the formation of the pseudo-scientific Theory of Race. They cared little for the scientific definition of who is a Semite – merely about those Semites living nearby whom they didn’t like all that much.

    Oh, and do keep your history revisionism together – you’re thinking of Khazars, not Azeris. That’s the prevalent pseudo-scientific notion in your neck of the woods, isn’t it?

    Glad to see that little changes over time.

    You yourself said that the make up of the occupation capitol of the world is a bunch of Africans, Iranians & Arabs, so how dare you guys use the term “Arab Israeli” conflict, when Israel’s population consists of a lot of Yemeni, Iranian, Ethiopian Jews etc?

    So, basically… If the Jewish people were spread far and wide across the world, and the various communities are now identified by the countries they grew in, then it MUST be inferred that they are a myth?

    My, oh, my…

    Incidentally, glad to see that me pointing out your anti-Semitism went over your head again – at which point you merely continued along the same path…

    And YES most Jews will bow down coz they are smart, they didnt survive all these years to be occupiers by being dumb!

    Well yes, of course we’re smart. We’re modern pseudo-Khazars who rule the world, aren’t we? :-D

    I did, Obama 08 comment 74.
    Consider it a shout out to the litttle children shivering in Gaza because the non apartheid israel cut off all fuel to them

    Ah, I see. You frothing at the mouth is what keeps Gazan children warm. Just like the equivalent behavior thinking kept them fed and clothed in various refugee camps – which exist to this very day, for some odd reason…

  132. Roman GayLick,
    Don’t worry, we the Obama 08 administration will send you impromptu information & guidelines in a new handbook containing new retort tactics coz the atypical “foaming at the mouth you anti Semite” is getting old & we can’t have our allies fighting back against their inhumane apartheid & illegal settlements with such out-dated jargon.

    How about some guided bunker buster cluster napalm nouns with self infused hubris & pseudo elite select chosen by Yah to make all whom we survey subservient to us? OK, but it’s gonna cost ya..!!

    We want 17 more gay bars on the Tel aviv strip quicker than you can say “Bare Back!”

    Yeah right!

    NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

  133. BTW thanks for the Electronic Intifada link.

    WHAT A BUZZ!

  134. Roman,

    Looks like your opponent (well, sort of) recognizes validity of your point of view and admits defeat by way of making dumb remarks.

    Thank you for taking time and presenting good argument.

  135. Oh yes, I concede like McCain, you Roman Kalik, Leo & all other Apartheid killer of Children IDF after high school supporters & builders of settlements on stolen land, bulldozers of peace activists & homes. criminals HAVE EVRY VALID WELL RESEARCHED POINTS INDEED!. Let me bow down to your most magnanimous righteous children of Israel, pure as cream, let me bow down & stimulate your scrotum…

    Ahh The Gull Of Jewry..
    Blessed with BLIND SPOTS to all things decent, TWISTERS OF THE TRUTH
    Killers of Jesus!

  136. Let’s keep it civil shall we…obviously Obama 08 has a lot of resentment & anger towards occupational forces & security apparatuses that do very well cross the line into apartheid. So lets not vex him anymore than he need be & Obama 08, be diplomatic like your name sake, if not for our sake, then for his..

  137. Granted,

    “Let’s keep it civil shall we”

    Please, do all of us a favor. Do not compare any of us to Obama 08. It is insulting.

    “obviously Obama 08 has a lot of resentment & anger …”

    What are you trying to justify exactly?

    “lets not vex him anymore”

    Who do you think you are talking about? A 5-year old?

    Hey, Obama 08. Drop on the floor on your back and start wiggling your legs and cry. Trow in a drool for good measure.
    When you finish ask your mommy to install V-chip into your keyboard. That should do it.

    Wow! I like the picture.

  138. Marie Claude says:

    leo, how low !!!

  139. Mike:
    I remember the guy that used to fill my TV screen at various channels…but I thought that he was always representing CAIR.

    Ibrahim Hooper frequently appears as a CAIR spokesperson and has been somewhat heavier in the past, but I could not find any really old photos.

    CAIR associates are pictured at this link:

    http://www.americansagainsthate.org/cw/profiles_cw.php

  140. Yawn!!!

    WHAT A FALLACY..

    No Comparison between anyone was made what-so-ever..

    I am starting to see Obama 08′s point that some Jews are actually very very good at twisting the truth.

    MAYBE YOU DIDNT CATCH THE SARCASM IN MY WORDS.

    I WOULD NEVER COMPARE AN ADVOCATE OF FREEDOM LIKE OBAMA 08 WITH THOSE WHO ARE FILLED WITH VILE ANGER, RESENTMENT AND FINGER POINTING WHEN APRTHEID IS BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION!

    All freedom fighetrs are called TERRORISTS at one point in time.

    Hertzel’s advocates fought the British occupiers of Palestine and were all branded terrorists.

    Apartheid, has and always will be over come.

    I was merely telling Obama 08 to use diplomacy until he is able to capture the masses like his namesake has been able to do.

    Don’t Cross Obama END OF STORY!

  141. Obama 08 is Mona, you can’t miss that schizophrenic, delusional visions of grandeur, flopping on the ground, teenaged angst filled, hate speech, tired repetitive rhetoric that only a mother could love.

    Ah .. how quickly the last three months have passed. :-D

    Welcome back Mona!!

  142. oh here we go again, here’s a challenge can you say this tired OLD played out mantra 10 times?

    Apartheid killer of Children IDF after high school supporters & builders of settlements on stolen land, bulldozers of peace activists & homes.

    you forgot baby eating….but i digress, we stopped buying this smoke screen after the first intifada? a couple of years ago some wacko wrote a book called the holocaust machine. and in like kind we the arabs have the occupation machine!!!!!

    just like jesse jackson and al sharpton make oodls of cash by perpetuating the racial divide, so does HAMAS AND FATAH! so once the occupation ends their honey moon will end.

    1 winning the hearts and minds with that lame occupation narrative.
    2 losing that collection plate (eu, un…etc)
    3 MOOCHING OF OF ISRAEL
    4 being accountable for your actions and not blaming it all on the occupation.
    5 BARONS LIKE ABBAS WILL CEASE TO SKIM CASH FROM THE CAUFERS OF THE GVT! (AFTER ALL HE NEEDS A ROLEX AND A MERCEDES)

    SO YES END THE OCCUPATION!

  143. Waaaah, Waaah, I want my Mommy (McCain/Palin)
    Grow out of it ALREADY you sore fu!@king losers!
    HeHe, Craig’s Obsession with Twosret..
    And Tedder’s Obsession with Mona..
    You gotta love it..
    Whatever happened to getting a check from Rothschild to start that perfume line in their names? Looks like Troll minded blind idoltry in your hero’s hasn’t paid off quite just yet eh?
    At least for 70% of the world tha praised Obama it surely has..
    Now get on the band wagon or SOD OFF ALREADY!

  144. hamas and abbas are like a pig in mud they would never want this to end! just look at all the crappy rockets UM HANEYA keeps lobbing into israel.

    oops sorry for the unkosher/unislamic porcine remark.

  145. Roman Kalik says:

    I am starting to see Obama 08’s point that some Jews are actually very very good at twisting the truth.

    Leo isn’t Jewish. And in fact, your assumption that he is, based on the content of your “premise”, well… A bit on the bigoted side, isn’t it?

    Yes, that certainly puts you on the playing field.

    I WOULD NEVER COMPARE AN ADVOCATE OF FREEDOM LIKE OBAMA 08 WITH THOSE WHO ARE FILLED WITH VILE ANGER, RESENTMENT AND FINGER POINTING WHEN APRTHEID IS BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION!

    The caps-lock key! The best tool of a Seeker of Truth!

    Also, do read up on what Apartheid is when you get the chance. It’ll do wonders for you.

    All freedom fighetrs are called TERRORISTS at one point in time.

    Mhm, pretty accurate. Of course, the reverse argument implied in these words… isn’t. Not every terrorist fits the definition of freedom fighter – and in fact, most terrorists decorate themselves with the lofty claim of being freedom fighters – even as they shoot up an Olympic stadium.

    Apartheid, has and always will be over come.

    *nod* As I said – Israel will defeat Apartheid just as soon as it will have it to defeat in the first place.

    Don’t Cross Obama END OF STORY!

    You sure you and ‘Obama 08′ aren’t one and the same guy? You certainly display the same level of fanatical zeal.

    JAS – if you wanted evidence of wingbats to the left of the political spectrum, there you have them.

  146. Hmmmm my compliments…Zionists can indeed work wonders with their own regurgitation….

    Rahm Emanuels father was branded a terrorist by the British, but look at him now…

    In the 50′s in America, they also claimed that there was no apartheid & so did South Africa during it’s human contaminants of existence…

    Israel is not just an apartheid, we all wish it were in fact that simple. Israel is a far worse anomaly. A race of people whose right wingers believe they are far superior to the rest of mankind. An example, it’s OK to charge interest from non Jews, but no OK to charge it from Jews. see my point here…What bigotry an hubris, especially when compartmentalize it all into Zionism…. If you really are the children of Honuka or whatever you call it, then start acting like ones…

    I take this opportunity to say that I openly support Israel. I mean who wouldn’t. All that scum gathered in one easy target yipeeeeee! A million years could pass in relative peace, but Israel- the occupier, the transgressor of the Tora, Talmud, Bible, Koran will perish a very horrible death!

    It is prophesied in every religion including the God forsaken faith of Zionism.

    You guys said a negro would never run the free world establishment, but look what happened.

    I would wish the Israeli’s would concede instead of the Nuclear fallout that will surely follow Israel’s extermination. But hey…what can ya do?

    As Natalie Portman would say…Cos Omack and good nite!

  147. Scum! The little gremlin is back..we missed you :D
    I do not understand a word of what you are saying, but maybe you
    could send the sandmonkey a note…just to make sure he is ok..and not in prison or something.

  148. Roman Kalik says:

    Oh dear, we’re back to the name-changing tactic, aren’t we. Like a dog returneth to its’ vomit…

    In the 50’s in America, they also claimed that there was no apartheid & so did South Africa during it’s human contaminants of existence…

    I doubt America claimed anything of the sort – the term Apartheid wasn’t even used back then. Regardless, what it *did* have was remnants of racial segregation and general racism within the legal framework of the country.

    Incidentally, Apartheid (Afrikaans for Separateness), was the official state policy of South Africa from 1948 to 1990, so it’s rather interesting that you claim South Africa denied the very term it coined.

    Details, details…

    A race of people whose right wingers believe they are far superior to the rest of mankind. An example, it’s OK to charge interest from non Jews, but no OK to charge it from Jews.

    Ah, so we’re a race now? Not a ragtag collection of mongrels and unwanted from far and wide? I am *so* grateful.

    Also, you’ve brought up the usury claim so many times, I find it merely amusing by now. As anti-Semitic slurs go, it dates back several centuries in mainland Europe, ever since the Catholic Church and some of the Christian monarchs decided that Jews could only have the disrespectful jobs, so as to not make Honest Christians mistake them for real people…

    Also, Jews apply their religious laws to Jews. I thought that would be fairly obvious, considering how they were made for Jews. We were never forbidden to lend with interest to those who weren’t bound by the same limitation in the first place.

    Should Jews have also sold only Kosher meat to Gentiles, then? Demanded of them that the keep the day of rest on the Seventh day? I know! The Jews should have started teaching Gentiles about considerations of Halakhic purity… or any other such manner that had absolutely no relevance to them.

    I take this opportunity to say that I openly support Israel. I mean who wouldn’t. All that scum gathered in one easy target yipeeeeee! A million years could pass in relative peace, but Israel- the occupier, the transgressor of the Tora, Talmud, Bible, Koran will perish a very horrible death!

    Oh, thank you. Your well wishes bring a rosy tinge to our cheeks.

    You guys said a negro would never run the free world establishment, but look what happened.

    Indeed. We said that and we voted for him. Silly American Jews and their forked tongues.

    As Natalie Portman would say…Cos Omack and good nite!

    Indeed. Pleasant nightmares.

  149. blah blah here we go again screaming zoinist pigs yadda yadda yadda…..

    ISMAEL HANEYA= AL SHARPTON

    ABU MAZIN= JESSE JACKSON

    IF YOU DON’T SEE THE STARCK RESEMBLANCE THEN YOU ARE BLIND!

    Yes they feed of the occupation like the reverends feed off of racism!

  150. النمس says:

    haha, he’s fine, as far as i know. hung out with him the other day. interesting discussion going on here but i’m too tired to make any comment other than that :)

    –النمس

  151. Out of sheer curiosity, who do you fools think will win? 20 million oppressive Jews or have half a billion people who are willing to die for their faith fighting against Occupation and Tyranny? It’s all in the numbers, remember the house always wins you creeps!

    Arabs never did a god damn thing to you. You Zionists came into our land and started murdering us left and right. What did we ever do to you guys, I mean really?? Jews and Muslims lived in relative harmony for centuries in Palestine and the Arab world. But Noooooooo, you guys had to have it all for yourselves. Isn’t it a little strange..I mean just a little, that everywhere Jews go, they end up causing the same putrid hate for themselves?

    Ok, now is when I start getting called an antiSemite…hit me with you best shot!

    It’s a fact of history, Israel will perish time and time again through it’s own hubris and excessive pride…how could any God fearing human being with any history of knowledge think this time around it will be any different.

    It’s a fact, the leaders of Palestine who collude with Zionists are very corrupt, but even that won’t last forever.

    I just got back from Gaza..I spent 45 days there in what was supposed to be a 3 day visit. The cock-suckers closed the border on me. Thousands upon thousands of people are volunteering to go fight the Israeli’s and are being turned away because they are afraid they are all spies and plus they don’t wanna give anyone rifles because there is no common battle field.

    i just dare you Israel to wage war against the Arab world. The trumpet will be sounded and 500 million Muslims would wreak havoc on the cock-suckers. Sure there will be casualties but actually they look at it as being martyr’s and adore the thought!

    I am like Sandmonkey, I say I like Israel and believe they have a right to exist in public. However deep down inside, in my gut, we all hate the child maiming bastards. Sometimes it is healthy to just vent and tell it like it is.

  152. ‘have half a billion people who are willing to die for their faith fighting against Occupation and Tyranny?’

    —have we forgotten the christians of palestine!?!?!? genius there are no tyrants and this is far from holy and certainly NOT A WAR!

    ‘Arabs never did a god damn thing to you.’

    —HMMMMMMM LETS JUST say im too polite to tuch that one, take a middle east history survey class!

    ‘Ok, now is when I start getting called an antiSemite’

    umm no most likely you’re an arab ergo a semite, maybe a rabid jihadi perhaps :/

    ‘It’s a fact of history, Israel will perish’

    NOW DID YOU FORGET TO TAKE YOUR MEDS YOUNG MAN!

    ‘i just dare you Israel to wage war against the Arab world. The trumpet will be sounded and 500 million Muslims would wreak havoc on the cock-suckers.’

    wow you really are sick…hmmm psychotic episodes perhaps :/

    ——————————————————————————-

    read your history!!!! and you shall see that YOUR ancestors sold most of what was palestine fair and square to the jews. and what was left was evenly swapped for jordan. but the hashemites chose not to take you in!!!!!!

    don’t blame the jews for what your brethren hath wrought on you!

    oh btw have you forgotten the MILLIONS OF JEWS KICKED OUT OF ARAB LANDS WITH JUST A SUIT CASE.

    im done!!!!!!

  153. LOVE MARGRET AND HELEN …!

    Sure, sure, everyone loves Rachel Maddow and her sexy lesbian librarian glasses. But the best new political pundits minted in 2008 were not on cable news, or even on Huffington Post. They were Margaret and Helen, the two octogenarians whose blog caused a sensation with Helen’s post: Sarah Palin is a Bitch … There I said it. Margaret and Helen — friends for sixty years, as their banner problems — pride themselves on being old ladies who speak their minds. In practice, Helen does most of the speaking, since Margaret never actually posts and just calls Helen to make comments about their newfound conversation with America. Here is Helen kicking it all off with thoughts on Sarah Palin:

    Look. I am going to say what everyone at CNN, CBS, ABC and NBC is
    thinking but is afraid to say. Governor Palin is a stupid, conniving
    bitch. And it’s not because she is a strong woman – I like strong
    women… worship them… It’s actually the opposite. She is a weak,
    pathetic woman who thinks big hair, winking, baby talk and self
    deprecation is somehow becoming of a woman who wants to lead the free
    world. My god, where is Margaret Thatcher when you need her!

    Oh and my favorite – my husband Todd (the first dude) and I sit around the kitchen table wondering about the cost of college like many of you…
    oh really. Your oldest son went from high school into the military.
    Your next oldest is pregnant with plans to be married to some hockey
    jock at age 17. Seems to me you’ve got lots of time before you have to
    worry about college tuition especially being college doesn’t seem to be
    a priority in your family.

    Please take your ridiculous hair, your over lipstick-smacking mouth,
    your Lenscrafter look smarter glasses and your poorly fitted designer
    jackets back to Alaska. And when you get there, shove a piece of the
    pipeline up your considerable ass. I’ll be damned if we’ll put our
    children’s future in your hands. And the same thing goes for McCain -
    the ass wipe who gave her this national platform effectively pushing
    the woman’s movement back into the dark ages – knowing McCain that
    might have been his plan all along.

    The post was accompanied by a graphic made by Helen’s grandson, which said: I CALL BULLSHIT. This was in early October. The election was in fever pitch. Not surprisingly, Helen’s rant drew attention. Thousands of hits and hundreds of comments. Her response:

    Hello world. Well where do I begin? I am shocked at
    the response to my little rants. You sure do know how to make an old
    gal feel special. Of course there is another woman out there who feels
    special, but that’s only because she’s been shooting caribou out the
    window of her Straight Talk Express on the way to her next Republican hillbilly rally.

    For crying out loud America. How bad does it have to get? Senator
    McCain is practically crumbling to dust before our very eyes while
    Governor Palin is out in the hinterland screeching about some 60′s
    hippie who bumped into Obama once or twice over the years. This from
    the woman who panders to secessionists in Alaska. Please, dear God, somebody throw a stone because that glass igloo needs to be shattered!

    And so it continued. Margaret and Helen, whose grandson taught her how to “blog” so as to keep up with her best
    friend for more than six decades, wound up offering the most concise, funny and even analytically astute commentary on an election where everyone had something to say. She fulminated about The View’s Elisabeth Hasslebeck. And called Elizabeth Dole a jihadi. On the eve of the election, Helen asked everyone to share thoughts on their grandma as the best way to honor Barack Obama. (Unhappy thoughts about grandmas were referred to Dr. Laura’s blog.) After it was over, the 82-year-old lady from Texas said all that ever needs to be said about California’s Proposition 8:

    I posted yesterday that love is about the heart not the body. Trust
    me, if it was about the body a lot of us would be in a world of
    trouble. You can’t legislate love between two consenting adults. You
    just can’t no matter how hard you try. If you want to save marriage,
    marry someone you love.

    That post, like all the others, was signed off with. “Thanks for stopping by. I mean it. Really.” With the election done, there’s less to get riled up about in the papers each day, and Helen says she feels like she is running out of steam.

    Now that the election is behind us I have tried my best to keep up the hospitality, but watching The View everyday is too much to ask. I mean I love you and all but that show
    is torture.

    Luckily, the old ladies have a plan to speak their mind on the topics of our choosing:

    So Margaret and I have been talking and we wanted you to know that
    we have enjoyed your comments – your conversation – as much as you seem
    to be enjoying ours. In that spirit we have asked my grandson to add a
    page where you can leave ideas and ask questions for us to write about
    on this web page blog.

    But be warned. We are not Dear Abby or that other one – her
    sister. We call ‘em as we see ‘em. We won’t hold back no matter how
    much we like you!

    So let’s all provide Helen and Margaret with fodder for keeping us all humbled and entertained. They want you us to sop by and leave a comment. They mean it. Really.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joshuah-bearman/margaret-and-helen-are-ta_b_144089.html

  154. There is no point in even trying to say anything to these lost bastards. The last comment with the Arab handle whom is clearly a Zionist Trolling sock puppet trying to pursue an agenda all to reminiscent of what they could not pursue in Hitlers Germany!

    dick breath, if there wasnt any Zionism, Jews would have been kicked out with just a suitcase. Only 3% of land was ever sold to Jews, the rest was taken. Why then did Rahms father fight the British if Jews there weren’t zealot wing-nuts?

    Israel is in Grave error and they will never admit it, at least not on this which belongs to a right wing undercover homosexual (sorry bi-sexual), at least that’s what rumor has it, so what would you expect anyways!

    This is just another form of electronic Zionism and electronic jihad meeting!

    Trying to retort is futile.

    Relying on your weapons is foolish and will be your demise but since your case wouldn’t stand up on morals alone. We appease you in congress and in daily life as bribe, because Zionists are very dangerous, more so than Bin Laden. Bona Fide legal terrorists are what you are..

    On basic

  155. Tag-Team @ 160,

    I just checked the history and here is what I discovered.

    In 1948 when Arabs attacked Jews there were 600,000 half-dressed and practically unarmed Jews fighting against 100,000,000 Arabs represented by at least six different armies, well-equipped, British and German trained and even sometime commanded.
    Guess, what. Jews won. Fighting for their homes does it to desperate people.
    In 2008 we have 6,000,000 well-armed Jews and 400,000,000 Arabs who do not want war with Jews anymore (well, with exception of few idiots who still cannot get the lesson).
    So, from 6 to 1000 ratio in 1948 we came to 6 to 400 ratio in 2008. I’d say you suffered 2.5 time loss.
    Besides, who is even fighting by huge numbers these days? Saddam had over a million man army and home advantage, US had some 100K fighting force. Saddam was stuffed in mere weeks. I am sure you get the drift.

    Jews know how to fight and win. Unfortunately recently they are more concerned with preserving lives of their enemies than winning. I hope their attitude will change if something really serious will come their way.

  156. Tag-Team @ 160,

    Just found this one some other blog:

    “The Arab American institute is really a joke that doesn’t represent any real Christians from the Middle East. All Syriacs, Maronites, Assyrians and Chaldeans united in a coalition and sended an official letter to the Arab American Institute to stop identifying ethnic non-Arabs as Arabs. The letter was also sent to President Bush and so on… “

    I hope it will give you better understanding and appreciation of value of Arab unity.

    PS. No need to thank me for the lesson. Just doing my job as community enlightener.

  157. Holly shit Leo, you are a perfect example (I mean Perfect) of a delusional Zionist propaganda.

    You have NO CASE Buster!

    1. The half naked unarmed (Mwhaha) Jews you are talking about were American & European infantry men, air forces etc. Better equipped and better trained, who in the world are you tryna kid? The Holocaust surviving terrorists put themselves in a position where they would get slaughtered again so that the West would have to act and that is exactly what happened. Them poor Jews turned terrorists, what do you say we give them a freaking homeland, God knows they will get it anyways, less headache and Jewry for us in Europe and America. So they did.
    2. Saddam’s Army was never over half a million yet alone a million. Yet another in accurate Zionist propaganda fictional piece of information.
    3. Jews negated the right to their so called homes the minute they became murderers and fired at the British and Palestinian forces and made lynch mobs and execution squads and resistance (resistance against what, there own invasion?) like Hagana etc.

    I predict Israel may in fact even be around for another 60 or so years, but either through diplomacy or war strife will come to an end.
    “BLOOD IN and BLOOD OUT!” There is no way in hell you chumps actually want to live in peace. You and the Iranians only have one thing on your minds.

    ARMEGEDDON, if anything else was true then you would all be acting a whole lot different and dismantle all the illegal settlements and go back to pre 67 borders and share Jerusalem..

    Remember Arrogance almost always Perishes

  158. @154 Roman: “…if you wanted evidence of wingbats to the left of the political spectrum, there you have them.”

    As a matter of fact, I have argued against far left claims at other websites from time to time–particularly the moral equivalency claimants. I have no qualms whatsoever in rejecting some of their claims just as I have rejected some of your claims.

    BTW: Are you aware of this link?

    http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/printer_3349.shtml

  159. love it ‘zionist troll’ now that’s funny!

    funny how tag and haneya skirted the pogroms against arab jews, to sing their woe is me song. those poor people were not spies, traitors or anything….THEY WERE ARAB CITIZENS LIVING THEIR LIVES! only to be trampled upon robbed and in some cases killed.

    but ALL of them pulled themselves by the boot straps and moved on. jew of arab decent have accomplished a lot in israel!

    meanwhile after 60 years Most of the ‘palestinians’ are far from absorbed/integrated in the arab lands they migrated to.

    Sizmic shifts in populations do exist and eventually the arabs will accept it.

    who remembers:

    anatolia (hellenic)—–now turkey
    western armenia—-now turkey
    hindus and sikhs from pakistan to india, and of muslims from India to pakistan

    so on and so forth

  160. Must really suck to be Israeli…
    Go to facebook and read how concerned Israeli citizens are lamenting what Israel has become, something worse than apartheid..
    To be able to even wipe your ass after killing people while they sleep in their homes takes a special people indeed!

  161. Obama 08 @ 166,

    “Jews were American & European infantry men, air forces etc. Better equipped and better trained”

    Yes, I heard that few times before. Could not find a proof of that thought.

    That is there were few Jewish officers who used to fight against Germans in British and American armies before but never in significant numbers. As to advanced weapons used, if ‘davidka’ was good enough to scare Arabs off did Jews really need more advanced weapons?

    With that said, I am willing to give you benefit of a doubt if you will be able to show me that proof. Barring tails of Farfour, of cause.

  162. Poor Farfour the martyr mouse! Farfour was always happiest when his tiny pre school viewers were vowing to blast themselves to death. What a fantastic culture!

    ;-)

  163. Have any of ypu ever thought that Sandmonkey is messing around his own blog to create drama? It does look like there are a lot of readers here.
    Just curious.

  164. oh but farfour only cares about his plight, doesn’t give a damn about darfour!

  165. Roman Kalik says:

    #166, the many-handed puppeteer:

    The half naked unarmed (Mwhaha) Jews you are talking about were American & European infantry men, air forces etc. Better equipped and better trained, who in the world are you tryna kid?

    Mhm. Which is why the first Israeli “air-force” consisted of five flyable planes compared to Egypt’s and Jordan’s British arsenal. Which is why the Israeli armor corps consisted of the few armored transports that remained in the country after the British left, as opposed to the very real tanks that were rolling over the borders.

    Hell, a single rifle shipment came from some Polish postwar arms dealer, the average Israeli Jew in 1948 didn’t even know what a personal firearm was, so scant they were. They had to share the few homemade arms they had, seeing as how the the only sub-machine guns they had were shoddily-made Stens, based on having taken apart and redesigned the gun from scratch and making them on the spot from the inferior pot-metal that the British allowed to remain… (the British confiscated any weapon-grade metal in the British Mandate for the war effort, and to keep the populace from making its own firearms).

    Oh yes, the famed “Haganah weapons”… The Stens would overheat and explode if used for too long, so shoddy was the metal. The grenades were… unstable, to say the least… Mortars? The Davidka? I liked the way the Wiki article summed it up. “It did make a loud bang, though.”

    The only military-grade item successfully produced by the Jewish settlement at the time, with the inherent limited conditions within the British Mandate up to and including the War for Independence, was bullets.

    The rest, they desperately tried to buy – but they didn’t have the money for the good stuff, so most of it just plain fell apart on delivery. Of the “famed” 23 Avia S-199′s that were the entirety of the Israeli air-force at the time, only five were ever airworthy at any given time. The rest? Spare parts.

    #167, JAS, as a matter of fact, I wasn’t. An interesting read, though it contains little beyond supposition, rumor, and all of it unverifiable – the only source referred to is, unsurprisingly, the author himself…

    Further, Madsen’s credentials as a 9/11 “truther” shed light on two issues – his personal bias on the one hand, and his utter unreliability on the other.

    I especially liked the reference to how the Democratic party was supposed to have responded against McCain – as John McCain was indeed one of the Keating Five. Specifically, John McCain was the one not only cleared of all charges, but also mentioned in the final report as someone who was not even negligent or improper in his actions – which didn’t stop McCain from considering himself very close to acting in an improper manner for his position, and certainly creating the wrong appearance, treating it as the low point in his entire political career.

  166. @ 176 Roman: Madsen’s credentials as a 9/11 “truther”

    Actually:
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78931
    Claims the following, but does not provide an internet link:

    The Washington state case also alleges, “Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer and published an article on June 9, 2008, stating that a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a Kenya Maternity Hospital, to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen.

    Which references this court document at 5.9:
    http://peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/Lawsuit_Sam_Reed/Complaint_Final.htm

    Which does reference this:
    http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/printer_3349.shtml
    Which author alleges:
    “However, the registration is a common practice in African countries whose citizens abroad have families with foreign nationals.”

    Whether Hawaiian or Kenyan, government records for birth certificates and passport documents (which require birth certificate documentation prior to international travel) are not kept in big boxes, but instead are recorded contemporaneously on microfilm in those offices in accordance with local standards and workloads—as timely or somewhat less than timely recordations. Subsequent requested copies of birth certificates, whether perfect or imperfect, are always secondary to those microfilmed sources. Except in hearsay—interpretations, supposed translations, and baited stories—there is no requirement that a mother must be present to submit documentation for a birth certificate. Furthermore, the use of ‘Hussein’ as recorded in related documents stems from the males in the Obama family history, grandfather and father—both Kenyan, and together capable of filing birth certificate documents accurately or inaccurately at two different locations nearly at once.

    Until hearsay is replaced by microfilm information and such distinct numerical references, the case as presented at many internet links is all carts, no horses. Birth certificate documentations for mother and child are carts standing in place in government offices. Passports, not birth certificates at two locations or hearsay, infer international travel. Any anticipation of future international journey prompts submission for a passport, whereas dated stamped passports for mother and child are documentation of journeys actually taken—horses.

    The U.S. DOJ is representing Obama in lawsuits and one assumes that office will reference original U.S. microfilms for birth certificates and any other documentation that may be available.

    On a personal note, I do not hang out at blogs on a daily basis, but I do visit some websites occasionally. My impression is that your bias has misled you time and time again. Read and research all that is available with phrased internet searches before you jump to conclusions. And above all, try to think outside your box now and then…good luck with that.

    This issue will sort itself out in court documents, so I am done with it and will simply wait and see.

  167. ARMEGEDDON, if anything else was true then you would all be acting a whole lot different and dismantle all the illegal settlements and go back to pre 67 borders

    And after that the Palestinians will become peaceful and progressive people, as proved after the end of the occupation of Gaza.

  168. Roman Kalik says:

    #177, JAS, my reference to Wayne Madsen’s credentials as a 9/11 “truther” are simple enough – he’s an official and openly stated member of the 9/11 Truth Movement, appearing in, and reporting on, their rallies on more than one occasion.

    That isn’t a matter of bias. That is a matter of having lowered my respect for a news reporter’s credibility based on the fact that he’s a conspiracy theorist. Conspiracy theories and credible reporting rarely go hand in hand.

    If anything, referencing the Madsen Report in the document and article brought are a detergent to their initial reputation.

    Also, just in case you didn’t notice… you brought the wrong court proceeding documents. Philip J. Berg is the man who brought the major complaint against Obama’s supposed birth outside the US to the Supreme Court.

    Basically, you have brought three documents that correlate around a secondary, even tertiary complaint that holds little water in any case… For what purpose, exactly? To discredit the primary complaint brought by Berg?

    Pardon me, but since when does one set of court proceedings reflect on another? A thousand people can file a thousand petitions on the same subject to the Supreme Court tomorrow, and each would be treated as a case-by-case basis. What you did, just now, was tie in one set of stories to something that is, really, rather unrelated to the main event… To whit, you tie Berg’s petition to one that was based off an article on the Internet.

    Overall, I have yet to see *my* bias in this affair. I don’t care one iota about Berg’s court proceedings, or about their results. I have not even reviewed the Berg’s complaint to the court – I simply know that it exists.

    And yet, so far, you seem to believe that the proper course in battling my “bias” in the matter is to bring up poorly researched and propagandish articles, along with notes from *another* court appeal… Honestly, all I can say is…

    So what? What, precisely, was the point of your post in reply to mine? Was there one? And if it exists, would you care to illuminate me about it?

  169. Precious beyond words can describe is Roman Kalik’s comment to JAS “What you did, just now, was tie in one set of stories to something that is, really, rather unrelated to the main event… ” This formidable mind blowing tactic is in essence the very secret behind unscrupulous Jews survival throughout the ages…

    I mean just look at the retorts some Zionists try and muster up on here when an anti Semite lol like myself brings to the attention of perhaps a God fearing Zionist out there who may have been dooped into believing this who Israel thing but is now asking them-self some serious questions about the excessive brute force and unfairness inflicted upon all who oppose Israeli forces. Whether it be the judicial system showing preference to Jews regarding land disputes (ya disputes are what they are lol), or whether it be the traffic laws that only allow Jews with Israeli passports to travel on certain roads for security purposes. (that isn’t apartheid lol) Or may it be the 12 or so families that are evicted on a weekly basis due to having no building permits for the structures they have been living in for decades on the land they have inhabited for thousands of years!

    You end up hearing…Israel isn’t an apartheid. Israel is the fairest most democratic country (lol) in the whole world and a model for the entire middle east and so many more unrelated incongruent unconnected misleading truth twisting lies in an attempt to save face for the satanic porno that ensues behind the media curtain.

    So lay off of JAS sir Roman..coz there you have it ladies in gentlemen in a nut shell..The dream of a fair and decent state of Israel has turned into the fore-stage for armageddon with the Israeli resolve reaching new heights in an attempt to make the Holocaust seem like tofu salad in comparison to the immaculate injustices perpetrated on a well thought out and calculated daily basis. Making it appear that the savage Palestinians that have lived there for centuries if not millenniums, suddenly became rabid dogs all by themselves and self destructed and destroyed themselves on their lonesome — LOL — : )

    The ultimate revenge of an angry Palestinian child who had siblings killed and his home demolished would be to wish for a time machine, not an atom bomb. With that time machine he would go back to every stage in history and have terrible atrocities committed against Jews . In fact the same exact injustices that were perpetrated against them throughout history would be more than ample, including the Holocaust.

    Then suddenly this little Palestinian child would realize where and how the Israeli’s got that way and why they kill his family because they refuse to roll over. Because it is very obvious and delinquent to not see that this is where the Israeli’s get their fervor from and are only acting out the sheer inimical aggression that plagued them for centuries throughout history. They are basically manifesting it in the Palestinians who in their eyes want them to go back out to the world that has molested and murdered them since the Palestinians wont allow them in as rulers.

    My only conclusion to this mayhem is that the Israeli’s do in fact know they are causing the Palestinians pain, but they don’t care because the Palestinians will not concede that the pain that they are feeling at present from their occupation is far less than the pain Israelites have been known to suffer at the hands of their aggressors since the start of history. Consoling themselves along the way with the occasional, errr the settlers did it to the Indjins and the colonial powers did it in Asia and Africa, um so we really want a homeland so we got to do it too. All the while investing heavily in PR and taking donations and volunteers for lobby groups to help sugar coat things a bit!

    Bottom line is that God fearing Israeli’s are mad as hell at their government by trying to fool them into thinking they are in eminent mortal danger so that they may continue with zero tolerance and lethal force against all who stand in the way. The same way Bush did with the WMD in Iraq and said they harbor terrorists , to everyone’s surprise a few years later said we found no WMD and no evidence that connects Saddam to 911. They had victims of 911′s names written all over the bombs dropped on Saddam’s palaces. So you see, again this tactic that you are being so critical of JAS for using is the oldest trick in the book. It’s called treachery.

    Honestly I swear up and down that I am trying my hardest to try and give the Israeli’s a chance and trying to understand them ever since reading this blog. But the above is the closest I have been able to come. The more I argue with so called Israeli patriots, the more I see this truth twisting ever so prevalent and the more to my right I become.

    For their to ever be peace. There should be no liars on both sides of the table.
    I mean what else in the name of good old fashioned morals could possibly be the reason for the rivers of blood flowing from the Israeli’s?

  170. Does Golem use the term “Precious” as much as Tag?

    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk4Ntcq5uNg&feature=related

  171. Mike Nargizian says:

    Sandmonkey -
    I skimmed after 134-135 my comments, but Obama 08 is the same racist annoying troll that was ruining your comments thread a while back before you came back and said that’s the end of it…. he’s been lying low for a while but now the angry possessed troll is back..
    Also, why can’t you ever answer anything I ask you? It’s not like I regularly comment or ask you questions?
    The guy I describe in 134 wasn’t Abuminah it’s someone else but I haven’t seen him on tv in ages and I can’t find it on Youtube either…

    Does anyone know who I am talking about? He was/is obviously a spokesman for the Arabic community or EIntifadeh in the years following 9/11 and was on Fox and MSNBC semi-regularly?
    If anyone can tell me I would be very grateful.

    Thanks.
    Mike

  172. Mike Nargizian says:

    And Leo and Tedders why are you even replying to the troll as if he’s worth it… it’s like you want to argue with someone as well? The guys’ a loser can’t you just ignore he exists altogether so that he can then get banned again… after he rattles and rattles for attention in vain… leo grow the f up dude.

  173. Mike Nargizian @ 182-183,

    Unfortunately I do not know anything about the person you are looking.

    As to replying to troll. As you correctly pointed out ignorance is very good and probably the best weapon against any troll. However, if you stay calm, collected, polite and to the point with your answers it also works. Firstly, because it underscores stupidity of said troll in the eyes of the rest of us. Secondly your replies always target much broader audience than troll alone. Thirdly, you can always pick and choose what to address in troll’s post and what not to address. Troll is completely at your mercy.

  174. Tedders-
    well, that is just plain creepy..
    This place is getting darker every day…how do you even read all of it?
    All of the blahblahblahblahblah about whether or not Obama has an acceptable birth certificate?..!!:D Like we’re not going to find out eventually anyway. How people can find so many words and use so many paragraphs to explain it is unbelievable..
    I miss John’s site. I miss SP, too. It was nice meeting you Mr. Tedders-you are fun :D
    Blessings

  175. Just Brilliant!

    The usual defeatist tactic that accompanies the slithering treachery and truth twisting of the culprit entity as described in my last comment. To yell out the word Troll or anti Semite whenever a persistent voice needs to be silenced. Welcome to the world of jr. lobbyists.

    In real terms, usually the proper action would be to bull doze me or have the lobbyists smear my reputation or even provoke me and shoot me dead and say I was a threat.

    Anyone one who keeps mentioning Israeli criminal politics is considered against the lambs of God and an anti Semite terrorist troll.

    Even little Zionists kids are taught to pitch in and spread their two cents of treachery because that is what God has ordained for them!

    But God said live in the land of Israel in peace. Meaning bend the FUCK over backwards if you have to, not condone sodomy then use biblical arguments.

    I thought you guys think Jesus is an impostor? So much for theological arguments because Orthodox rabbis are now wearing the dunce cap for aiding and abetting such Yah angering behavior and democratic bare backing in the holly land!!

    Please by all means do not reply to me or any other intelligent person’s freedom of expression. Dialogue with liars is not welcome. Feel free to mock my words or even slander me, but by all means please stay silent and do your best to ignore me and the rest of us right wing pro Arab creationists. You will be making our lives much easier. As if I would want to spend days exchanging comments with insincere liars anyways.

    We have all you Zionists clamped so tight in a vice grip that you can’t even begin to squirm in an attempt to intelligently retort!

    REASON: BECAUSE YOU CAN”T SLANDER US EFFECTIVELY ENOUGH ON THE NET OR KILL US NOW BECAUSE WE ARE IN CYBER SPACE.

    So I say stick to bombing schools and save yourselves the exasperation and treachery.

    Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me! You got that you bitches!

    Know when the word troll is mentioned, it is an indication as mentioned above, of grave frustration. Because Zionists live in a dream world that they have concocted and don’t like their TERRORIST Holocaust survivors to be belittled because after all, they are hailed as heroes. And those barefoot machete wielding village ravieging Irguns and Haganas are the role models for the Zionist Occupation Forces!

    Anyone who has anything negative to say about Israeli politics is called JIMMY CARTER or an ANTI SEMITE or now the latest fad: a TROLL!

    Ha hah, I dare any self righteous human being to try and intelligently retort the fact that killing people while they sleep in their homes is just plain wrong. And that the aggression displayed by Israeli’s on the poorly armed Palestinians is the direct manifestation of millenniums of oppression at the hands of Jewish oppressors. Sad but true. We now know it and you dweebs know it very well. I have a feeling when you are smitten, you will know full well, why that has happened to you.

    Comment 180 is un retort-able, because any dignified response will have to acknowledge and partially concede to the sad truth that has poignantly been brought to their attention.

    Political science students please feel free to use any of my comments and compare the lack of intelligent retort.

  176. Roman Kalik says:

    We have all you Zionists clamped so tight in a vice grip that you can’t even begin to squirm in an attempt to intelligently retort!

    Honestly, I *was* preparing an intelligent retort to the aforementioned, but seeing this has truly brought the futility of the effort to my attention.

    I’ll just sit here and laugh a little.

    Comment 180 is un retort-able, because any dignified response will have to acknowledge and partially concede to the sad truth that has poignantly been brought to their attention.

    Political science students please feel free to use any of my comments and compare the lack of intelligent retort.

    Comment 180 is impossible to reply to, as is this one, because your entire premise is built around repeating the same set of arguments in a circular repetition, and rarely, if ever, reading more than 5% of the posts you reply to, or those in reply to you – which reflects both on the content and quality of your posts, and telling everyone how stupid, immoral, amoral they are – and so on and so forth until you run out of personal traits to project on others, and just head on over to stereotypes, bigotry, racism… not even original stuff, at that.

    The reason for that is quite simple. You’re obsessed. You come over here for the sole reason of garnering attention, feeding your petty ego, and showing how amazingly clever your “Electronic Intifada” methods are. You have come seeking conflict, with the self-righteous certainty of a self-worshiping zealot.

    And that, in essence, is what defines you as a troll. Not your arguments. But rather how you behave.

    As for your superiority complex, violent predictions and well-wishes, and so on… these define you as potential lunatic asylum material.

    And no need to invite political science students. They’d only be confused, poor souls. They’re not prepared for this sort of thing. Not sure if anyone is.

  177. MWA HA HA HA…as I have predicted, not an oz. of intelligent retort!

    Didn’t I make myself clear enough…

    Debate with insincere liars is not welcome. I clearly requested my comments be considered as remnants of your weak belief in free speech and be left alone…

    All I can say is this is to be expected of a people that marvel in the persecution of another people and lavish in the cruelty inflicted on them. Easily getting away with it builds feelings of grandeur…

    The more you try to contrive a response to my out witting comments, the quicker you sink to your own demise, showing just how stupid and shallow your pathetic self righteous reality is…

    As if you are even capable of grasping any aspect, no matter how narrow minded or vague when solid proofs are stuck in front of your nose! You are oblivious to your own hubris and conceited persona, which will eventually be your down fall irrespective of your level of intelligence..

    Oh what a cruel world it is indeed! I bet it is very frustrating not being able to blow my head off right now. Something you have become all too accustomed to in Waco Texas Tel Aviv!..

    Don’t worry, in public I am a full fledged Zionist raising money for many a Kibbutz in order to raise my life expectancy…

  178. Tag buddy, I see you’ve set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public again. If you knew anything about about persuasive writing you might make sense but you don’t, your not even close. Your verbosity leads to unclear and inarticulate thoughts. I’d guess your writing level is around the 8th or 9th grade, at best. You think you’re clever but you’re giving us all a good chuckle and destroying your arguments every time you attempt to communicate. Fragments, run-ons, half expressed thoughts, circular logic, no proof. You provide no analysis of the situation you so poorly understand and only summarize tired, racist points that are proven false on a daily basis. I think it’s time to up your medication. I’m not being rude. You’re just insignificant.

    I’m going to make an honest suggestion for you, try to find this book and see if you can understand what everyone else that reads this blog already understands:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_of_Style

    It’s a beginning!

  179. OMG Tedders did you just sell out the pack and address me by my handle instead of calling me Troll or Whore? Thank you for the sharp attesting you do in fact have inferior protocols, proving you are no more then a learned heathen with ubiquitous fervor…

    Really, who is in need of the meds now..?

    BTW what’s with grading ones English language level and sentence structure? Are you a Catholic school teacher, do you like diddling male youths? You complimented me nicely BTW as I am far from reaching the superior grade level you mentioned as it does not correlate with my age!

    Jeeesh it must really suck to be a grown man and so far gone to the left, you think you have come full circle to the right again!

    Anytime any of you Rothschild Mullah’s want to give comment 180 or 186 a go, feel free to do it so but good fucking luck…

    Until then, may you find salvation in your Guns and your bombs you zombies.

    I leave this link in response to yours tedders..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqta8rertMs

    Until then, another Mayfair weekend indeed!

  180. Thanks for proving my points Tag!! ;-)

    Nice job!!

  181. YOU ONLY WISH YOU”D BE SO LUCKKY INDEED — YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO POINT WHAT-SO-EVER EXCEPT THAT YOU ARE A CROOKED SLITHERING SNAKE IN THE GRASS!

    A Death Zombie that is beyond reproach!

    With their Bombs and their bombs and their guns…its in your heaaaaad, in your heeeaaaad!

    Now I believe you have some kids to go molest, including your two boys : )

  182. Marie Claude says:
  183. Ah Tag, from the mouths of babes!

    Two words for you, my teenaged angst filled friend, psychological projection.

    Psychological projection is a defense mechanism in which one attributes one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions to others. Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted subconscious impulses/desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them. Time to up your medications Tag!! I’ll try being nicer if you’ll try being smarter.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

  184. tedders,

    Very well.
    Just keep kipping cool.
    Troll almost lost it.

  185. “keep keeping” that is.
    Sorry.

  186. DELUSIONAL AT BEST!

    What a waste of human organs such as a spleen, kidneys & neurotransmitters along your vertebrae. What an utter waste of vocabulary & an abuse of the English language!

    DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR! You can’t argue with what you can not see. Only idiots like yourself attempt arguing on the net coz they can’t switch off their over kill button!

    Tell me do you use wet wipes on your kids before blowing them mid way between the excuse of a guitar lesson Tedders. Does their mommy know about it, or maybe she is an accomplice?

    Get off of my cloud…you right wing conservative trash bin wing nut LOLOLOL

    Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

  187. @177 Roman: “Pardon me, but since when does one set of court proceedings reflect on another?”

    To your “Is it me” @118, yes, sometimes it is you.

    Apparently you did not read ALL of the links tedders provided @34 and @58. Four of the links are official .gov references—factual. But several of the additional five, including the posted videos in the link @34, are written and produced as if a reflection in a mirror demonstrates the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The circular links found at worldnetdaily.com are as narrow-minded in their scope as one finds at any propagandist’s website—without the slightest regard to any idea or fact that might contest the claims. Let me know when you find the one-sided coin that will demonstrate the real world and the whole truth. Meanwhile, for complete indoctrination be sure to click on every link provided on every reference page at worldnetdaily.com. Or, if you just want a quick examination of this source unto itself just right click and read Properties to note the link references. In your neck of the woods surely you are familiar with propagandists’ all-time favorite pre-selected links for the reader—essentially, “reflections on another”—additional links which are selected to further *prove* the validity of their otherwise contestable claims. And that is precisely the game tedders has been playing.

  188. “Only idiots like yourself attempt arguing on the net coz they can’t switch off their over kill button!”

    Two words for you, my teenaged angst filled friend, psychological projection.

  189. “In your neck of the woods surely you are familiar with propagandists’ all-time favorite pre-selected links for the reader—essentially, “reflections on another”—additional links which are selected to further *prove* the validity of their otherwise contestable claims. ”

    Seems a bit odd coming from someone who chooses factcheck.org as a real source of information about Obama.

    http://mommylife.net/archives/2008/10/factcheckorg_-.html

  190. Oops…My reference is to your post @180 that referenced @177.

  191. Roman Kalik says:

    #198 Jas,

    *shrug* Even the WorldNetDaily article discussed the other Supreme Court appeals as secondary to the main article – and yes, the secondary “flavor” part of the article was unreliable.

    Although, honestly… I’m somewhat amused that a biased and controversial *right-leaning* news agency uses an even more biased and controversial *left-leaning* source as a supposedly reliable part of the article. Brings a smile to my face.

    And so, having discredited a secondary part of a secondary link provided by Tedders, you use this as proof of him being a Great Manipulator and Propagandist…

    From my vantage point, that’s rather lame.

    Address the main issue rather than nibbling at some of the edges. Tedders’ choice of one source may have been unreliable, but the fact remains that you’ve basically created an elephant out of a mouse, without even giving due regard for the main issue he brought up.

    Now, at this point, I can only leave the two of you to discredit each others’ references and sources. This will take some time, I’m sure.

  192. Yawn..!

    The pedophile tedders must be having fun repeating himself & eating his own feces? Don’t worry, I wont tell the FBI!

  193. As predicted, troll lost it.

  194. I thought that I read something of this sort posted at Sandmonkey’s home page once upon a time: “If common sense were common then we would all have it.”

    If no one ever fact checked or was willing to explore issues then we would all be lunatics—cluster fucking trolls sitting under Bridges to Nowhere. Not referring to tedders or Roman in this, but clearly for any who have posted references at this blog that are nearly always historical—when one foot is in the grave, the other foot stands in place. However, life actually occurs in the present day as does change.

    Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press do not necessarily solve problems—at times cultural differences are instead reinforced—but within those liberties there is some possibility of learning, understanding, and change—trolls found here and elsewhere, the exceptions.

    In short, if you disqualify a media source BEFORE you read it then you will not be informed. I actually read and viewed the videos (30 minutes ++) and information in tedders first nine links in this blog. In my opinion, the spurious arguments presented in those links didn’t fly any higher than pigs. Nonetheless, some very small part of the issues at hand may prompt some kind of new legislation or slight changes in laws in the United States.

    And Roman, you have really become quite a boar…sorry, I may have meant, bore…time will tell.

  195. tedders first nine links in this blog all prove that there are not just one but several lawsuits popping up around the country against Obama, all in an effort to get him to release his real birth certificate. That’s all any of the links prove, at least in my opinion, and these are indeed the verifiable, provable truth, the reality. Your opinion of them not flying any higher than pigs is what’s spurious, if you didn’t like the way they reported the facts I suppose that’s your prerogative. I would say it is you JAS that is the bore, beating half points to death, trying ti inflate the importance of some statement or website while completely minimizing the fact that Obama has never released his certificate of live birth into the public arena. That’s all any of these very real lawsuits are trying to do, time will tell.

  196. Things will never change no matter how informed any species ecomes. A one track mind is a one track mind. Ever heard of the Zionism virus that the West has so gratiously accomoated a new incubation base for, in an attempt to lessen the scope of detriment within its own society?

    Give it up for the AIDS VIRUS & ZIONISM!

  197. Oh my, how this thread has deteriorated…!

  198. Adam B,

    How so?

  199. Leo, you mean to say that you can read the last, oh… 40 or so posts, and NOT feel exasperated??? I’m impressed!

  200. He doesn’t feel exasperated because Zionists (Corrupt Judaism) has proven time & time again through-out history, that the basic faculties that us normal folks require to pursue normal lives are rendered useless to them. Hence what is considered severe futility to non human supremacists is considered a mere part of the adage for them and feel nothing what-so-ever.

    Listen, time and time again, history has damned Jews for deviating from the special path that they have been given, which didn’t seem good enough for them – they always wanted more. In the case of the blood state of Israel, there could not be a better example (no matter how well their intentions – orphans are orphans). So why would it be any different this time around?

  201. Marie-Claude,

    I think the real story is in the change is size and scope of the pirate attacks. Most of the recorded ones in your links are unsuccessful or pilferage. Well-armed, well-planned attacks on expensive cargo vessels, that’s something new. Some of the terrorist watch sites are speculating that Al-Qaeda is in fund-raising mode, again.

    In answer to the original question posed by this post:

    There is already speculation on the ‘net that the Dow Jones Industrial Average is headed for 5,000 or even 4,500 by the end of next year, and that speculation is bolstered by articles like this:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/20/AR2008112004157.html

    The US is experiencing the biggest post-election stock slide in history.

    The following story is really about a little bit of histrionics in Congress yesterday. Our Congresspeople had made up their minds before the hearings, and looked for a basis to castigate the leaders of our auto manufacturers. This is especially fun when you consider that the auto makers have been subject to all kinds of exprensive requirements by our Congress, in order to secure lots of votes for the Democrats. A US auto maker has to pay $2000 per car more than the Japanese companies. These same Democrats now want to accuse our auto makers of poor business management.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/11/20/ST2008112003657.html

    The auto makers knew they were in trouble when they got criticized for their mode of travel to the hearings. Some legislator turned some eager beaver aide loose to find something to bring up and use as an excuse for outrage.

    So, it is all panic time, with deflation on the horizon.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/20/AR2008112000949.html

    Who benefits from this? Very wealthy investors who do not pay income tax. Also, an incoming Administration bent on securing control of ever-larger sections of our economy.

    Next up, if past is prologue, drooling messianic praise as a result of any kind of response whatever from The One. This article praises The One to the skies for stating the painfully obvious: namely that federal help comes with strings attached.

    A HREF=”http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/11/18/ST2008111803689.html”>A Voice of Reason puts automakers on the Road to Rescue

    Meanwhile the Republican shriekers show no signs whatever of sanity. The new Administration has started leaking some news about potential conciliatory appointments, such as Hillary Clinton for State Department and Gov. Janet Napolitano (from Arizona, a border state that has a huge illegal immigration problem) as Secretary for Homeland Security.

    In response, we have cries of outrage, including renewed ads for the Hillary Clinton nutcrackers and “Shamnesty!”

    And they’re gearing up to shred Michael S. Steel (solution-oriented Republican, moderate, well-spoken, attractive, positive outlook, running for head of the RNC) over any shrinking from total commitment to enact laws banning abortion (70% of Americans oppose this.).

    There are days when I could wish that our influence did not extend overseas.

  202. Tag, thanks for yet again brandishing your tin foil hat and proving my point…

  203. Adam B @ 210,

    It is too generic, my friend. Please, tell who disgusts you and why.

    “you mean to say that you can read the last, oh… 40 or so posts, and NOT feel exasperated???”

    I believe your problem is that you lump everybody else into one group with single sock-puppeting troll talking to himself (or herself/whatever).

    See what happened? By trying to act sanctimonious in your initial post you undeservedly insulted everybody else who ever posted on this thread. Well, almost everybody.

    I think your apology is in order.

  204. @ Valerie who said “Who benefits from this? Very wealthy investors who do not pay income tax. Also, an incoming Administration bent on securing control of ever-larger sections of our economy.”

    Please for the sake of what-ever, please stop your defective truth twisting Zionistic snivelling. The world can’t take it anymore & is so nauseated.
    Have the fucking Israel..maim the Palestinians kids, stuff your faces with Arab pita bread & enjoy your world diamond monopoly…but please just stay the fuck over there and out of our fucking hair & air waves…what more do you want?

    Adam & Leo, get a room will ya!

    Wheres that Zionist Troll Tedders at..?

  205. Awww, poor little tongue-tied troll, can’t stand the thought that somebody might not want to talk to him.

    Pathetic.

  206. Did that bitch just say tongue tied???? Where in the hell does she come up with need to use the term tongue tied in my case huh? hahahahah. This is cyber baby, you think you can provoke me like hamas and then drop cluster bombs on my family for firing a bottle rocket at you?

    How’s this for tongue tied…

    I call you a soul-less Zionist truth twisting wich & that is all you can come up with, showing up with the Hebrew equivalent of a dunce cap? Huhh?

    Any more takers want to prove their inferior intellect by swiftly kicking themselves in the ass as Valerie has?

  207. Sorry Leo, but as much as Tag is a lot lamer to listen to, you too (as well as a few others) are acting the right pain in the ass, not to mention going way off topic…

    Your mutual mud-throwing is tiresome no matter what your arguments or opinions.

  208. WTF was that supposed to be, constructive criticism or something – lolol snark-k-k-k-? What’s with the delayed 48 hr response meat head – mwhahacheehee.

    Sorry that reading my words (of anti-Zionism based on popular beliefs, ideals & facts) is kryptonite to your ears – NOT!!

    You made my day, thanks! Next time though, hurry the fuck up & don’t make me wait so long!

    Come on SM, give us a fresh post to counter all the Pali bashing so we can get called anti- Semite Jew bashers or something Ludicrous like that.

    Tag Team is so deep. We are not one entity & we will outlive all Zionist sock Trolls guaranteed. Give us your best shot you chumps!

    We reserve the right to inflict a bloody nose upon your neighbors asses, just as you reserved the right to contempt for humanity. Hence your long history of being chastised by God & being loved & understood (rejected & persecuted) by all through out history! Ignorance perishes, all man is created equally, get over it & get a life!

    Zionisms study of the Tora & Talmud in Israel is like Bin Laden claiming he is a Muslim. Both equal radical FREAK SHOWS!

    *Wink!

  209. Adam B,

    What topic? This topic is so old it is way off by itself simply because of that.
    Still, I’d rather you be more specific (I request it for the second time) in your charges.

  210. Where do we go from here? To the center, relying on people with experience and knowledge (he hopes).

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/24/AR2008112402118.html

    excerpt:

    The unsurprising moderation of Barack Obama has caught many people by surprise. At this point, he seems intent on restoring a version of the old Clinton presidency — Hillary Clinton running foreign policy, Robert Rubin’s ensemble running the economy, Bill Richardson at Commerce and nary a certified cut ‘n’ runner on Iraq anywhere in sight. The erstwhile “change” candidate seems intent on vindicating that old French expression: The more things change, the more they remain the same. Oui.

    The writer of the article is Richard Cohen, and yes, he is Jewish. We actually let Jews and Muslims live in peace in our country, and we follow their advice, if it makes sense.

  211. Where do we go from here?

    http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.0.2740964732

    Away from Al-Qaeda and Iran and Syria, says the leader of Islamic jihad in Egypt, Sayed Abdel Qader ibn Abdelaziz. Abdelaziz, also known as Doctor Fazel, in a new book, ‘Memo on Exoneration.’

  212. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL @ Valerie’s : “The writer of the article is Richard Cohen, and yes, he is Jewish. “”"”We actually let Jews and Muslims live in peace in our country, AND WE FOLLOW THEIR ADVICE, if it makes sense.”"”"

    Name one Muslim you have followed the advice of you masonic truth twisting soothsayers, just one!

    I dare you, I dare you, I freakin dare you!!!

    Time to admit that you can’t help yourself, that you are conditioned to be so from a very young age. The age old adage is so true!

    Where do you come up with this drivel?

    Oh God help me @ “Tongue Tied” mwhahalol!

  213. Nouri Kamil Mohammed Hassan al-Mali

    Husaini al-Sistani

    Ayad Allawi

    Hussein bin Talal

    Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud

    Abd Al-Hamid Al-Ansari

    Amir Taheri

    Keith Ellison

    Shaykh Ali Jumu‘ah
    Shakyh Abdullah bin Bayyah
    Shaykh Sa‘id Ramadan Al-Buti (from Syria)
    Ayatollah Muhammad Ali Taskhiri of Iran
    HRH Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad bin Talal of Jordan Shaykh Hamza Yusuf from California
    Professor Seyyed Hossein Nasr of George Washington University in Washington, D.C.,
    Professor Tim Winter of the University of Cambridge

    And then, there are all those tribal leaders in Iraq. We couldn’t have driven Al-Qaeda out of Iraq without listening to them and following their advice.

    The US does indeed listen to Muslims, and has been known to follow their advice.

  214. Oh, perhaps I should have listed another example,

    Yasser Arafat

    He’s the one that taught us that we have to listen to what he said in both english, and in Arabic.

  215. Obama 08, Tag-Team and others

    If you believe in or want change consider the following:

    (1) The Power of [good] Examples vs. Examples of Power
    (2) You need to clean your house before you point a finger at another.
    (3) Complex problems usually mean that more than one is at fault.
    (4) When one foot is in the grave [always referencing some yesterday or history], the other foot stands in place.

    Life occurs in the present day, as does change.

  216. All the above names are invalid. They are against the occupation of Palestine by the 20th century Jewish movement called ‘Zionism,’ hence they are all anti Semitic trolls (sound familiar)? They support the ideology of freedom & righteousness which was so kindly pointed out by JAS, yet they have been condemned for their tactics. The same tactics that settlers from the above illegal movement enacted until it was accepted that they were merely fighting for their newly acquired homes. Never mind the fact they were a mix of purchased as well as pilferaged homes. So imagine the destitute removed occupants that have lived there for centuries & how they feel. Regardless of their hateful tactics, it is a classic & epic example of good versus evil.

    So basically in the ideology of your new world order, they are all supporters of terrorism. The United States & especially Israel do not negotiate with terrorists. So why even bother mentioning their names. BTW Al Qaeda is as strong as ever in Iraq! But thanks for the copy paste of every Arab Muslim figure in today’s news of the puppet government of Iraq & for ceasing & desisting from the shrewd & ludicrous assumptions & inappropriate name calling, if even for one day.

    A much welcomed break from the norm!

  217. Sandmonkey…care to report on the standoff at the church in Cairo? I have a hard time believing there are 20,000 Muslims protesting outside (as the Assyrian News Agency says), but don’t trust Almasry Allyoum’s mild treatment of it either.

    Help or link, if possible?

  218. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

  219. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

  220. The Palin turkey pardon was…well, you be the judge…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-kjM1asH-8

  221. VOMIT!!!!
    Thank you for not showing the kill.
    Hairline ready to ditch this blog.
    Merry Christmas!

  222. I had no idea they actually kill birds before we eat them. What will they think of next? Pull all the feathers out of the dead body?

    On the serious note. To those who are disgusted, is this your stupidity or your hypocrisy talking? Can’t be both. Could it?

  223. After insisting that the US doesn’t listen to one Muslim, tongue-tied is now arguing that the following people are not legitimate Muslims.

    The Prime Minister of Iraq

    The chief Shiite cleric in Iraq

    The interim prime minister of Iraq

    The King of Jordan

    The King of Saudi Arabia

    The former dean of Islamic Law at Qatar University

    A famous United States syndicated columnist

    A member of the United States House of Representatives

    the Grand Mufti of Egypt
    the former Vice President of Mauritania, and leading religious scholar
    Shaykh Sa‘id Ramadan Al-Buti (from Syria),

    in addition to the Grand Muftis of Russia, Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo, Slovenia, Istanbul, Uzbekistan, and Oman, as well as leading figures from the Shi‘a community such as Ayatollah Muhammad Ali Taskhiri of Iran.

    HRH Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad bin Talal of Jordan

    Muslim scholars in the West such as Shaykh Hamza Yusuf from California, Professor Seyyed Hossein Nasr of George Washington University in Washington, D.C., and Professor Tim Winter of the University of Cambridge.

    Perhaps its real objection is this:

    http://www.islamicamagazine.com/online-analysis/open-letter-to-his-holiness-pope-benedict-xvi.html
    excerpt:

    “Upon this sincere and frank dialogue we hope to continue to build peaceful and friendly relationships based upon mutual respect, justice, and what is common in essence in our shared Abrahamic tradition, particularly ‘the two greatest commandments’ in Mark 12:29-31 (and, in varying form, in Matthew 22:37-40), that, the Lord our God is One Lord; / And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy understanding, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second commandment is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”

    The cites to the books of Mark and Matthew are references to the Torah.

    I look forward to the day when the false advertising by the Muslim Brotherhood and other evildoers is swept into the dustbin of History along with other bad totalitarian schemes.

  224. Well said Valerie.

  225. Where are you SM!? You are missing the single most hilarious political scandle in recent Canadian history!
    Screw the Americans, they’ve already had their election we know whats going to happen, read about Canada lol!

  226. scandal sorry, I can’t spell today

  227. Jack,

    SM is nowhere to be found. I am afraid he finally got married and his life is over.

    Please regale us. What’s so funny about Canadian elections?

  228. good god do none of you pay attention?

    Dion (liberal leader), Layton (New dems leader) and Duceppe (bloc quebecois leader) have signed a coalition contract. They want to oust Harper (tory prime minister) and form joint leadership to take charge of the economical situation. Its disgusting and entertaining and flat out ridiculous but makes for great news.

  229. But why is it funny? Do you mean you cannot cry anymore?

    Nah, our electoral process is much better. We are only divided two ways.

  230. Its funny because the idea of the communists and the separatists working together to overthrow the conservatives is not something that one would really think of. The truth is stranger than fiction. Its caused quite an uproar, check out facebook or any canadian news outlets.

    Meaning that less groups can be represented because they have to pick one or the other and some issues aren’t even touched upon by the dems or the reps.

  231. Communists and separatists. Interesting.

    Do they really have a chance?

  232. Jack:

    It is my impression that politics and scandal walk hand-in-hand. From the outside looking in (and if I read correctly), three elections inside four years with a fourth election not far around the corner seems a bit excessive and certainly speaks to political divisions within Canada. Reads like frequent skirmishes with nearly the same election results.

    Looks like SM’s “Where do we go from here?” original post has taken many journeys via contributors—depending on where “here” is.

  233. Jack:

    It is my impression that politics and scandal walk hand-in-hand. From the outside looking in (and if I read correctly), three elections inside four years with a fourth election not far around the corner seems a bit excessive and certainly speaks to political divisions within Canada. Reads like frequent skirmishes with nearly the same election results.

    Looks like SM’s “Where do we go from here?” original post has taken many journeys via contributors—depending on where “here” is.

  234. ok so the supreme court turns down the fight over Obama’s citizenship.

  235. From what I understand there are about 20 lawsuits around the country, who knows what will come of them. Why doesn’t Obama just release his birth and scholastic records and be done with the controversy? This isn’t good for the country either way.

    From a web news source:

    The high court today denied a request to listen to arguments in a case, Donofrio v. Wells, from New Jersey that addressed the issues. But literally within minutes, the court’s website confirmed that another conference is scheduled for Friday on another case raising the same worries.

    The case of Leo C. Donofrio v. New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Mitchell Wells claimed Obama does not meet the Constitution’s Article 2, Section 1 “natural-born citizen” requirement for president because of his dual citizenship at birth.

    The new case, Cort Wrotnowski v. Susan Bysiewicz, Connecticut secretary of state, also makes a dual citizenship argument. It had been rejected by Justice Ruth Ginsburg Nov. 26 but then was resubmitted to Justice Antonin Scalia. There was no word of its fate for about 10 days, then today the court’s website confirmed it has been distributed for Friday’s conference, a meeting at which the justices consider whether to take cases.

  236. Valerie you treacherous Zionist I never said that your copy pasted names aren’t real Abrahamic Muslims or whatever term you chose pass gas out of your rectum with. You are an unpleasant disresptful assuming little Zionist troll for lack of better words. Sod Off already !!!!!!

  237. A lot of crushed hearts..I was rejoicing