Blame Egypt: all the cool kids are doing it!

The conflict that's been going on for the past 4 days in Ghaza is kind of horrific, with both sides sharing some the blame(Hamas for being its stupid and reckless self, and Israel doing it's own rendition of what the wrath of the old testement god would look like today). The arab world decided that it will take a stand, and place the full blame on one party, and, here is the twist, it wasn't Israel or Hamas. They instead chose to blame Egypt. Sweet, huh?

Heading the charge are the Jordanians, the Lebanes and the Syrians- not to mention some of our own "oh-being-arab-is-so-awesome-we-wish-we-were-arab" self-hating dicks, and some gulfies. The rationale being that somehow, Egypt is not doing enough to support the palestinian cause, and is to blame for the Ghaza blockade. The rationale completely skips that 1) Egypt tends to honor it's international agreements, even if we don;t like it, 2) The coordination for opening the border happens between us and the Palestinian authority, which was overthrown by a nice bloody coup exacted by Hamas, and 3) Hamas is the kind of islamist terrorist organization that we don;t really wish to legitimize or support, let alone give access to a part of our country that witnessed 3 seperate terrorist attacks in the last 4 years, 2 of which targeting Israeli tourists. Also,  in a great twist of irony, all of those people blaming us have a sordid history of fucking over (and sometimes killing, in thousands i might add) the palestinians themselves: Jordanians with Black september, Lebanese with Sabra and Shatila, the syrians by stoking the fires and never actually doing anything to support them except getting beaten at wars, and the gulfies by being total fags and never actually doing anything, ever. But yes, blame Egypt. We are clearly at fault here.

So, as a special service to all of you fuckers who are badmouthing my country, which- by the way- fought 4 fuckin wars for the palestinian cause and lost more people than all of you (and hey, got it's land back fully too, how about that?), I would like you to take the opprutunity in my comment section to Blame Egypt for all of your ills and misgivings, not to mention your fuckin impotence and uselessness. Please, knock yourself out. We can take it, because we are not small-time self-righteous detached-from-reality whiney bitches.

Have a lovely day!

Comments

  1. Wow, that might be the first time I’ve heard you defend Egypt? I thought you were one of those self-hating dicks, but thanks for the history adjustment you got it right, again.

  2. SM…

    OK…I will go first…

    I am blaming Egypt for my impotence because they allowed all the Viagra to be smuggled through tunnels to Gaza.

  3. Great Post

    I loved it.

  4. I Love it!!!

  5. Mostly I just find the usual rants against Israel. Only found anti-Egypt bile from Nasrallah, but that guy hates everyone so nothing new there… Any particular links?

  6. Man (that is, monkey :) ), you’re badly underestimating the Old Testament god. Seriously, nuking a couple of cities (Sdom and Amora, AKA Sodom and Gomorrah) can’t reasonably be compared to a series of surgical strikes against military installations with few casualties in general and amazingly few civilian casualties in particular.

  7. EgyptianKangaroo says:

    You are all upset because this man is saying what you don’t want to hear. It is about time the arabs woke up and smelled the coffee. are you waiting for a miracle ? are you going to keep your heads in the sand ? the Israelis will not let you keep sending rockets over the border,. The Israelis are there and will be there to the end , it is reality deal with it !! The only people who are losing are the Palestinans because they don’t know anything better , they don’t want to go to school or habve a decent life they want to live the same way they have been living., Palestinans need CHANGE in everything and the only people you can bring that change are them themselves . Change starts with sitting on a table with your enemy and sorting things out , wanting to move forward, wanting to leave the dark ages. I know a lot will disagree….. tough
    Better stop quickly before you kill off another generation of your own people

  8. EgyptianKangaroo says:

    Sadat got it right!! May he rest in peace. All those bitches out there are …. bitches or someone’s bitch!
    here is my two cents You are all upset because this man is saying what you don’t want to hear. It is about time the arabs woke up and smelled the coffee. are you waiting for a miracle ? are you going to keep your heads in the sand ? the Israelis will not let you keep sending rockets over the border,. The Israelis are there and will be there to the end , it is reality deal with it !! The only people who are losing are the Palestinans because they don’t know anything better , they don’t want to go to school or habve a decent life they want to live the same way they have been living., Palestinans need CHANGE in everything and the only people you can bring that change are them themselves . Change starts with sitting on a table with your enemy and sorting things out , wanting to move forward, wanting to leave the dark ages. I know a lot will disagree….. tough
    Better stop quickly before you kill off another generation of your own people

  9. Talk is cheap. Blaming Egypt is the cheapest of all talk. Yes the Egyptian government is a fuck up most of the time, but seriously the other countries are no better. Opening Rafah is no easy task, it would drain Egypt’s resources, displace the Palestinians permanently, just look at the refugee camps in Lebanon or Jordan. Starting a war is definitely not the solution either. It’s a mess and someone needs to come up with a solution instead of all of this Arab finger pointing crap.

  10. Who said this again?

    “Ok, I will say it here first, and on the blog later: I think Egypt should open the Ghaza border and leave it open from now on. Keeping it closed harms us politically and strategically benefits Hamas via total control on the strip. The people of Ghaza should now be given the same sympathies and support as those living under a dangerous islamist theocratic dictatorshop, an effective internal Hamas opposition requires financial support and organized armed resistance, both can be achieved by opening the border.”

    Self hating Egyptian? Gulfie fag? Nope. The Great Sandmonkey himself, yesterday – http://twitter.com/sandmonkey

    And “Egypt honours its international agreements, even if we don’t like it” is such an incredibly retarded thing to say that it needs no comback. Did you even mean it when you wrote it?

    Perhaps its a spelling mistake, and you meant to say “Egypt honours international agreements if our dictator is bribed enough to honour them”?

  11. Hey Tom,

    I find nothing in what I said on twitter that shows me blaming Egypt or pointing any fingers towards it like those people I mentioned do. And had you cooled your idiotic” ooh-llok-at-me-look-at-me” heels, you would’ve found what I wrote on twitter on this very same website, only put more elequontly. What I said on twitter has everything to do with the best strategy to get rid of Hamas and relief the people, something that will require much more coordination and less talk from reactionaries like yourself.

    However, I am leaning very much towards changing my mind today, espeically open hearing from Wael Abbas in Egypt that the Egyptian Officer that was killed during the paletinian storming of the border wasn;t in some gun fight skrimish, but was actually killed in his office, after refusing to give over the post. Guess who killed him?

    And by the way, we do honor our international agreement, espeically the ones involving our national secuirty, and no, bribery has nothing to do with it. You know what does? Not wanting to go to war, again. Especially not over the urging of a bunch of shouting idiots that don’t lend a single helping hand out to us after we are done being their front-row soldiers. So, excuse me, and excuse him, I am agreeing with Mubarak on this one. And here is a thought: u want someone to fight Israel? Go back to Australia and try to convince ur people. Just leave mine out of it.

  12. Well said Sandmonkey, your blog is definitely an A++.

  13. “But yes, blame Egypt. We are clearly at fault here.”

    Why did Egypt refuse to take Gaza back in 1979 when it was offered by Israelis along with the rest of the deal?

  14. Roman Kalik says:

    Why did Egypt refuse to take Gaza back in 1979 when it was offered by Israelis along with the rest of the deal?

    Intelligence and clear focus on Egyptian interests rather than pan-Arabic issues, which is something I can’t find fault with. Gaza was a hot potato and a strain to Egypt rather than an asset, once it abandoned the whole “we’re the ones fighting the Zionists – go us!” thing. They had no reason to even remotely contemplate ruling Gaza.

    One can reasonably argue that Egypt didn’t do enough to *resolve* the issue in the past 30 years, focusing instead on image-building passivity and diplomatic efforts that did more harm than good… but overall, the Egyptian government, in relation to issues beyond its eastern borders, kept largely to itself and for its own citizenry rather than foreign citizenry.

    Which is a vast improvement to the previous state of affairs. And quite commendable.

  15. Roman Kalik @ 14,

    I heard different version and regarding WB/Jordan as well, which is those areas were left off as cancer cells to eventually destroy Zionist’s ailing body.

    I find both versions plausible but which one is true?

  16. Roman Kalik says:

    #15 Leo,

    Look at it from the Jordanian perspective. The last time they had a large population that was *politically* Palestinian, they nearly lost the country.

    Basic survival interest overrides most anything, if and when intelligent thought kicks in. And the Jordanian monarchs were nothing if not intelligent – though they *were* often swept along the current in the pan-Arabic tide once.

    I don’t think there was any plan here beyond “screw them all, the lot of them – now let’s do some business”.

  17. ahmed(not the lobotomized one) says:

    DEATH TO THE ZIONIST LOVING PHAROH!!!!!! OOPS IS THAT POSSIBLE
    WELL DEATH TO EGYPT! :D

    great stand monkey, glad you’re not drinking from the karkadeh!

  18. Sandmonkey,

    I respectfully disagree with you concerning “both sides being to blame.”

    There was recently a rally in Gaza attended by 150,000+ people, whereby “Death to Israel” was chanted, and a Hamas jihadist dressed as Gilad Shalit and made fun of his kidnapping. This shows you that there are at least 150,000 Gazans who openly support Israel’s total annihilation, and the death and destruction of every single man, woman, and child in Israel.

    After eight years of being relentlessly bombed and terrorized by Hamas (as well as Fatah, though Israel likes to pretend that Fatah is “moderate”), finally Israel is striking back. This is too little and too late, and I am sure Israel is going to stop its Gaza campaign before it actually gets the job done.

    But nonetheless, there is no equivalence or “two sides.” One side – Hamas – purposefully hopes to murder civilians. The other side – Israel – acts solely in self defense and aims only for the jihadist terrorists. The fact that many Hamasniks have been killed is only because there really are that many jihadist Hamasniks in Gaza. Israel has hardly made a dent in the problem.

    With that all said, it is disgusting how Egypt is being demonized by many in the “Arab street” as well as media. The bottom line is that Egypt is acting as it should be acting and doing the right thing. This is why it is being demonized. And I want to add that this is why, as much as I despise the ground he walks on, I support Hosni Mubarak. However vile a beast the man is, I can assure you that the only alternative is the Muslim Brotherhood, which would be a trillion times worse. It is out of concern for those two heinous choices that I believe “democratization” in Egypt would be a terrible mistake, to put it mildly.

  19. red tulips—–you are comparing the morally tasteless to the heavy handed, and in the end both are wrong, no one can claim the moral high ground here. but in the end hamas HAS TO GO!

  20. Was Gaza ever a part of Egypt? …or was it just a protectorate, like the palestine-area was to the british?

  21. Well, it’s a change from blaming the US. Although I’m sure we won’t be left out in the long run.

  22. it was ancient egypt’s cotton/gauze growing backyard…hence the name ghaza.

  23. Roman Kalik says:

    #20 Adam B,

    Was Gaza ever a part of Egypt? …or was it just a protectorate, like the palestine-area was to the british?

    Initially, back when King Farouk was still the ruler of Egypt, a puppet government called the All-Palestine Government ruled Gaza under strict Egyptian control. Gaza was effectively under Egyptian military occupation at the time.

    Later, as Nasser gained power and pan-Arabic nationalism became the new political core of the Arab Middle-East, this mock-government was disbanded. Gaza was incorporated directly into the United Arab Republic (the Egypt-Syria union), though the Gazans themselves remained non-citizens, and Gaza itself mainly a human launch pad for attacks in Israel.

    So yes, Gaza was a protectorate. From 1949 to 1959, to be specific. And it was also a part of Egypt proper from 1959 to 1967, directly and fully annexed.

    On another note, Jordan fully annexed the West Bank in 1949.

  24. @19 nada

    I agree with your conclusion. HAMAS has to go.

    Your first comment bugs me, though, so I hope you will forgive me exploring it for a bit… .

    Israel is not perfect. And definitely, war sucks. Any of us can die at any time.

    But it takes 2 sides to forge a peace, and it only takes one side to make a war. Israel didn’t choose this war. Since the Disengagement, Israel has been trying everything possible to avoid having to do what it is doing now, while HAMAS has tried everything possible to bring this situation about.

    Israel withdrew every single Israeli from Gaza, all the way to the 1967 border (which, according to the Arab proposal, should have ended the conflict with Gaza), turned over control of the Philadelphi to the PA and the EU against its better judgment, and gained absolutely nothing at all in return (except for 8000 rockets falling on its civilians’ heads, starting well before it ever attempted to respond).

    Israel provided high-tech greenhouses to the PA in order to jump-start a lucrative new business for Gazan Arabs (Gazans promptly destroyed these).

    It tried trading with Gaza.

    It supplied Gaza with fuel and electricity, despite the PA’s failure to pay the utility bill for several years running.

    It supplied Gaza with a stable currency, because that’s the way the PA wanted it (the PA, not Israel, insisted that the customs union between Israel and Gaza remain in effect, which in turn requires Israeli involvement in legal Gazan trade).

    Israel tried diplomacy – with the PA, with Egypt, with Turkey, with the EU, with the Quartet, with Syria, even behind the scenes with HAMAS itself. Every single effort fell apart, because HAMAS’s absolute “red line” is that Israel must be destroyed and the Jews slaughtered. Time and again, cooperation with HAMAS was proven to be stupid, because anything that lets it build up its strength simply helps HAMAS to attack Israel again.

    Israel tried economic coercion, the darling non-violent policy of western countries. But it allowed humanitarian aid in, and it never did anything about the rampant smuggling. The standard of living in Gaza was STILL much better than in Rafah, Egypt. But I digress. Economic coercion failed because Israel didn’t go about it in a brutal enough way and because Egypt didn’t worry too much about the smuggling. And of course when Israel used economic coercion, the world called it collective punishment (but it’s not collective punishment when the US or Russia or Syria or the UK do it, is it?)

    Israel tried power cuts (in less than a third of Gaza). The world called that “collective punishment” too. It also failed (and honestly, it was a pretty weak gesture).

    Israel tried strikes against HAMAS armories in the middle of the night, when there would be no casualties.

    It tried targeted assassination of individual Islamic Jihad terrorists.

    It tried limited operations. around the edges.

    It tried working with Egypt. It tried working with the EU. It tried working with the US. It tried talking to Syria. It tried working through Muslim nations.

    It tried several so-called “truces” with HAMAS, during which Israel held its fire and HAMAS or its proxies continued to attack Israeli towns with rockets, place bombs along the fence and dig tunnels under the fence for use in attacks inside Israel itself. Gilad Shalit was kidnapped in one such.

    Israel tried cooperating with Fatah. That failed pathetically, didn’t it?

    It tried ignoring the rockets in the hope that without retaliation, they would stop. But of course, they didn’t; they increased.

    It tried everything except rolling over and dying (I’m sorry, it isn’t going to do that).

    Rewind the clock to last week. Both Livni and Olmert were interviewed on al Arabiya.

    “Hamas needs to understand that our aspiration to live in peace doesn’t mean that Israel is going to take this kind of situation any longer. Enough is enough.” – Tzipi Livni

    “I say to [the Palestinians] in a last-minute call, stop it. Don’t let Hamas, which is acting against the values of Islam, put you in danger. Stop them.” – Ehud Olmert

    Again and again, whatever its rhetoric, Israel has made an effort NOT to bomb the crap out of Gaza. Now it has let loose only a little, a very little, of what it has in its arsenal. It’s STILL holding back.

    Israel has the firepower to turn Gaza into a lifeless sheet of glass, or pound it back into the stone age. It has the firepower to kill hundreds of thousands of people. But it has bombed only some HAMAS and PIJ targets, and killed 300 people, the vast majority of them HAMAS and PIJ paramilitaries (with a sizeable fraction of these killed while serving in rocket squads, i.e. undisputed military casualties).

    Heavy handed? Morally tasteless? What on earth are you talking about? On the one hand, you have the delusional rabid dogs running HAMAS, who care much more about exacting revenge for every petty slight they have ever endured (from Israel, from Egypt, from Fatah, from whoever) than they care about their own people’s lives, prosperity or basic rights, and who insist on shooting rockets and artillery across the Arab League’s proposed international border at the civilian towns of a country that possesses nuclear weapons, not to mention an air force, tank forces and heavy artillery that could pulverize Gaza City. And then they run back and hide behind their kids and women and complain that big bad Israel is oppressing them.

    On the other side, you have this country, which could literally blow chunks of Gaza into orbit, and instead is holding back and using precision weapons on HAMAS targets for fear of hurting civilians, and heaven help us, allowing NGOs to drive HUMANITARIAN AID trucks into Gaza earlier today.

    There is no comparison at all.

    But I completely agree with your conclusion. HAMAS *MUST* go.

    Thanks.

  25. sandmonkey – its not about wanting egyptians to fight a war (that probably is what it is about for nasrallah, but fuck him)

    it is about doing something simple and safe to alleviate suffering – let food, medicine etc cross over into a neighbouring country. a lot of people all over the world think this is something basic that egypt should be doing, and that the majority of egypt’s people – including you – think it should be doing.

    this shouldnt just happen now – it should have happened a year ago, when gazans were being starved and killed in slow motion thanks to a lack of basic supplies. its pretty clear the last crappy year of live in Gaza has a lot to do with what is happening now, and your country does bear a fair amount of responsibility for this.

  26. oh, and fear not, Dubai is bringing out the big guns – Sheikh Mohamed has ordered all New Year’s eve parties to be cancelled, in solidarity with Gazans. I’m not joking.

  27. SM…wow a post full of such patriotic vigour put me in shock…if this is what happens when they stick you outside of Egypt and put u in the middle of a mall-laden gulf desert country..then I hope u stay there a while…about time babe…

    Let’s face it..those pussy “we need Americans 2 defend us” A-rabs aka camel and goat herders with a bit of coin…are 2 busy screwing Russian, Afghan and Moroccan whores and buying expensive luxury cars…so who gives 2 shits what they think…they don’t actually count in the global arena…
    the Lebanese..they can’t agree amongst themselves and they have obviously forgotten how the Palis tried 2 take their country over..the Syrians are not even RELEVANT….2 busy torturing their own citizens..besides this allows this lame ass government with high unemployment and food prices 2 distract their primarily illiterate populations with this nonsense so that they don’t focus on domestic, internal problems…

    mubarak has allowed the role of Egypt in the region 2 diminish but he is smart in ensuring they don’t set up a Pali nation in the Sinai…let them resolve their bullshit neverending fight with their cousins on their own…hell a nation that collaborates with its enemy for money and that sold a big chunk of its land in 1948 is a nation that is going 2 have 2 resolve its own internal issues b4 it can run around casting blame…

    no 1 in Europe, America or the rest of the west gives 2 shits about the opinions of yemenis, suck ass syrians and the civil war fighting lebs…so rest assured Egypt will stay united against the rest of these traitors..and baby that’s all they will ever be amonts themselves and with Egypt…TRAITORS

  28. Roman Kalik @ 16,

    Well, maybe you right.

  29. Welcome to the club! Usually it is America’s fault so it’s kind of nice to see someone else blamed but I’m sure it won’t last very long.

  30. No.

    I would be happy if even the fruit-cakes were blaming the real culprits. Blaming Egypt is not a nice change and it is in no way a step forward.

  31. Tom, do you follwo the news?

    Considering the “starving Palestinians”: Gaza does not suffer from a supply problem; it gets plenty of humanitarian aid (through the Israeli crossings, btw). Gaza has a distribution problem, and that is something they have to solve themselves.

  32. Or we could blame Canada.

  33. I like it when you go all patriotic. makes you more authentic.

  34. SM,

    Welcome to the Big Time! Speaking for America, let me tell ya that you are nobody until the jackasses of the world start blaming you for all their screw ups. Now that the Arab world is blaming you Egyptians for the Gazan mess, please have a seat at the Big Boy table next to us. Drinks will be served soon. In the meantime, we can chat about how impossible it is to deal with the damned Arabs. Cigar?

    Now I’m trying to put myself in the place of Israelis and consider what I would do. For example, were I sitting in Dallas and the Mexicans started lobbing rockets into Laredo in an attempt to return Texas to Mexico, what would we Texans do? I’m guessing we wouldn’t wait for a few hundred rockets to smack down over weeks or months. More likely Texas would react like a smacked hornets nest unleashing artillery, gunships, and fighter jets to make that corner of Mexico into a smoking moonscape. Consequently, I consider the Israeli response to be tardy, feeble, and indecisive. They should do whatever it takes to end this conflict decisively now.

    However, in lieu of that, the Israelis and the rest of the world should simply stop propping Palestine up. All this support in cash, goods, and services enables the terrorists and keeps the dysfunctional Palestinian state going in more ways than one. If these idiots had to work for a living, this terrorism would grind to a halt toute de suite. If your income is guaranteed no matter what you do, then you can screw things up as much as you please. That’s part of the reason that so many terrorists hail from oil rich countries, which are failure-proof as long as the oil keeps flowing.

    With all the money that has flowed into Palestine, every family could have sent a couple kids to college and built a paradise there by now. Instead, it’s a welfare slum and breeding place for every kind of noxious pathology. Cut it off. If the Palestinians had put their enthusiasm for war into building businesses and culture, they wouldn’t need jobs from the Israelis nor would they be interested in seeing their way of life smashed up for nothing.

    But in the meantime, feel free to blame Egypt. We Americans will just sit off by the side of this with a cold drink and some popcorn and watch.

  35. All of the above are dead wrong! It is those Israelis who are the problem.

    The fact that they won’t allow themselves to be killed at Palestinian will is just wrong. The nerve of those Jews!

    The Jews are supposed to let Muslims kill them when ever Muslims want to. Don’t believe me? Check the Koran!

    Hey! What’s the difference between throwing a shoe and sending rockets? Sending rockets will eventually provoke a response. I crack myself up.

    Hey! What sort of culture is proud of throwing shoes at a US President, and thinks throwing shoes is a bold statement and that it actually means something? Only an Islamic one. Ha Ha. I kill myself. Oh, fuck that. I kill infidels.

  36. Jack=Jackass

    Grow up and say something intelligent or shut the fuck up

  37. red tulip @ 37,

    Actually, you are wrong.

  38. Btw – I did not post #37 – it was an imitator. I do not post such language. Pathetic that someone should pretend to be me.

  39. 40 Red Tulips

    It is Sand Ape for sure…up to her typical insanity.

  40. This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read in my life, thanks to Google.

    I say get yourself a new PJs and sleep tight, it is not your time yet.

  41. Mr. SandMonkey,

    Tanotor said: “you are nobody until the jackasses of the world start blaming you for all their screw ups”. As someone who experienced this firsthand, I agree.

    As a Syrian, I can understand your frustration Sandmonkey. Syria has been blamed for everything from bird-flu and earthquakes to regional wars for the last 4 years and I among many Syrians felt the same frustration. It was very cool to blame it on Syria in the media and the blogosphere. All the cool kids were doing it (yourself included).

    Let it out SM. It’s good for you. I did few years ago as well and felt much better. However, in your case, you should be glad that most of the Arab (Saudi-financed) media is making sure Mubarak and Egypt are defended. It was the opposite when blaming Syria was the hip thing to do during the last few years.

    But Sandmonkey, what I don’t understand is your overzealous uber-nationalistic rants..

    So now people mature enough to who think that their identity is not only confined to being Egyptian are “”oh-being-arab-is-so-awesome-we-wish-we-were-arab” self-hating dicks”?! Are those who believe in being European as well as them being French, German or Spanish are self-hating dicks as well? What about Texans who believe in them being Americans as well? Please spare us this self-destructive isolationist view. Identity is constructed of a complex belief systems. Simplifying it to fit ultra-nationalist zeal is a bit childish.

    Yes, Egypt did a great deal for the Palestinians. No one is being disgraceful. Not a single person is blaming Egypt per se in the Arab world. However, yes, they ARE blaming the Egyptian regime for blocking aid to the Palestinians and not letting it pass through Egypt to the Palestinians. And please, no one is asking Egypt to launch a war on their behalf, so can we let this false claim to rest already?

    The Arab public, are not demonizing Egypt. Haven’t you listened to the continuous flow of appreciation to the “role of Egypt” even by Hamas members on all Arab TVs? They are however, rightfully noting that blocking food and aid destined for 1.5 millions for months, meeting with Israeli leaders hours before the bloodfeast began and then blaming Hamas officially for the dead civilians are all no coincidence. Hamas is to blamed for many things, but not the 397 Palestinians killed by Israel so far.

    Egypt’s regional leadership role has diminished substantially because Mubarak decided to play it safe for the last 30 years on the expense of Egypt’s regional leadership role. Tell Mubarak to stop clinging to the throne of “Arab leading country”. Either accept being just another Jordan or take the responsibilities of being a regional leader. He can’t have his cake and eat it too.

    A final note to all those “cool” Egyptian kids here still stuck in the “blame it on Syria” mode. Please remember 2 facts here:
    1- Saying that Egypt paid its dues to “the cause” and suffered enough on behalf of everyone else is only half the truth. Historically, all wars fought by Egypt or under its leadership were a joint-effort. Egypt did not bleed alone in any of those wars. Syria participated fully in each of them (Jordan, Morocco, Algeria, Iraq and yes even “the gulfies” partially participated in some as well). Remember that Egypt wouldn’t have gotten back Sinai if it was not for the joint and coordinated efforts with Syria in 1973. So you owe some of your stability to the Syrians ;-)

    2- Syria also paid as dearly (if not more) for “the Palestinian cause” and she is still suffering the consequences (occupied land and 0.5 million Palestinians who are getting equal rights as Syrians for 60 years now). Unfortunately for Syria, unlike the case with Egypt in 1973, it now does not have its own Syria to go to war with hand-in-hand and then let her down in the middle of the battle to pursue a deal and get the Golan back in return of stopping attacks on Israel (read Henry Kissinger, Israeli leaders biographies among others). So SM please stop blaming the Syrians for “stoking the fires and never actually doing anything to support them except getting beaten at wars”. As an Egyptian, you should know exactly why Syria is not being able to go to war now.

    Meanwhile, enjoy the praise of all the Israelis on this blog for now. I know it won’t last long.. ask the Jordanians. Better yet, ask Abu Mazen, and keep Yaser Arafat in your thoughts as well.

    I know that some of my points above are painful, but it’s out of love and respect.

    Kul sana wenta tayeb from a friend who loves Egypt.
    George

  42. George…

    As an innocent, abused, heroic Syrian…maybe you should be hanging out in Lebanese blogs?

  43. @George

    1. Egypt got the Sinai back because it signed a peace treaty with Israel. This was the initiative of Pres. Anwar Saddat, and was stridently opposed by Syria. Sadat was then assassinated by your allies in Tehran. The Yom Kippur war, which you credit for regaining the Sinai ended with Ariel Sharon 40km from Cairo, on the west bank of the Suez Canal and the Egyptian third army cut off and surrounded, with insufficient water, in the desert. Israel remained in Sinai for several years after that. Read a real military history instead of propaganda.

    As for who bled in those wars, it sure as hell wasn’t Iran, and in the last 30 years, everyone BUT Syria has bled in your war against Israel, while your president dreams of negotiating a peace treaty with Israel that allows him to attack Israel when he feels brave enough.

    2. Syria never cared about the Palestinian cause. Syria’s wars with Israel, like its interference in Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and the PA, has always been about conquering Greater Syria. There has never been a time when Syria supported the Palestinians at its own expense rather than for its own profit. Not even once.

  44. Zvi,

    So Israel would’ve signed the peace treaty with Sadat out of its kindness even if Egypt and Syria did not inflict real damage and fear within Israel’s psyche in 1973?! Sure, whatever makes you sleep better at night my friend. Keep telling yourself these self-fulfilling prophecies and you never know, you might be able to convince yourself.

    I on the other hand have access to facts on the ground with regards to Syria, the Syrians and what Syria’s intentions are or aren’t.

    So be a pal and spare us the lectures on the intensions and the inner minds of Syrians, will you not?

  45. Roman Kalik says:

    So Israel would’ve signed the peace treaty with Sadat out of its kindness even if Egypt and Syria did not inflict real damage and fear within Israel’s psyche in 1973?!

    Then I guess you’re unfamiliar with what happened in the aftermath of the Six Day War. The Israeli government voted unanimously on returning the Golan to Syria and Sinai to Egypt in exchange for comprehensive peace agreements, and decided to open more complex negotiations with Jordan regarding the final border between Israel and Jordan.

    Do you recall what followed that offer? The Khartoum Arab Summit. “No peace, no recognition and no negotiation with Israel”, or so the decision there went.

    Do you what has kept the Arab states from signing a peace agreement with Israel, first and foremost?

    Pride.

    I on the other hand have access to facts on the ground with regards to Syria, the Syrians and what Syria’s intentions are or aren’t.

    So be a pal and spare us the lectures on the intensions and the inner minds of Syrians, will you not?

    That’s all very interesting, considering the fact that you have approximately zero influence on Syria’s national and international policies. Policies that include internal oppression on the one hand, and giving shelter and funding to anyone who is willing to lob a rocket at Israel on the other.

    Oh, and keeping Lebanon firmly under your thumb.

  46. @George
    the thing you might not be aware of, that there was a chair for Palestine and another for Syria while signing the camp david treaty.. but out of pride Syria and Palestine didn’t show up :)

    it’s not Egyptians fault to fight for their lands,, have it back and sign a peace treaty…
    it’s not Egyptians fault that few ignorants refused to sign the treaty and claim Egypt is a traitor.. then after 30 year or so, are starting negotiations to have their lands back from israel..

    we are not asking you too to go into a war with israel.. but asking the arabs to keep silent as they were for the past 60 years.. since the occupation of palestine.. Just forget there is a country called Egypt.. and if you wish to lead the Arab world.. then go ahead and lead the arab world… the chair is all yours.. and sinai is all yours too, in case you are willing to fight..

  47. SM,
    I’m a New Yorker currently in Israel. I just wanted to add to your post….

    Hamas has intentionally sited missile launchers and weapons caches next to civilians hoping that there will be casualties that they can trumpet in the media in order to garnish sympathy in the West and make anger on the Arab street. Hezbollah did the same in 2006.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/01/world/middleeast/01mideast.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all

    “Tens of thousands of Gazans have received recorded phone calls from the Israeli Army warning them that their houses have been marked as targets because they harbored either militants or weapons facilities like rocket workshops. Noncombatants were urged to clear out. Hundreds of thousands of leaflets gave the same message.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/01/world/middleeast/01gaza.html?hp=&pagewanted=all

    “At Kamal Edwan Hospital in Beit Lahiya, in northern Gaza, Mahmoud al-Sheik, 11, was recovering from wounds he received two days before — he thinks from a rocket fired by an Israeli warplane. Even at his age, he is aware of how fighters and civilians are mixed together in Gaza, saying that the bomb was aimed at the house of his neighbor, Salim Zaqout, whom he identified as a member of Hamas.”

    Israel, on the other hand is trying to avoid civilian casualties by 1) using the latest highly directed bunker buster bombs and 2) actually calling Palestinian civilians on their cell phones and land lines warning of an impending strike.

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230456505080&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    “The GPS-guided GBU-39 is said to be one of the most accurate bombs in the world. The 113-kg. bomb has the same penetration capabilities as a normal 900-kg. bomb, although it has only 22.7 kg. of explosives.”

    “Palestinians reported that they received phone calls to their cellular phones and landlines from the IDF. The phone call, the Palestinians said, conveyed a recorded message ordering the immediate evacuation of homes that were next to Hamas infrastructure or being used by the terrorist organization.”

    The Palestinian standard of living is actually higher than that of many Egyptians and other Arabs, especially before the first Intifada. This is from a article in Commentary by Efraim Karsh entitled, “What Occupation?” (July/Aug 2002, p.46).

    In sharp contrast with, for example, the U.S. occupation of postwar Japan, which saw a general censorship of all Japanese media and a comprehensive revision of school curricula, Israel made no attempt to reshape Palestinian culture. It limited its oversight of the Arabic press in the territories to military and security matters, and allowed the continued use in local schools of Jordanian textbooks filled with vile anti-Semitic and anti-Israel propaganda.

    At the inception of the occupation, conditions in the territories were quite dire. Life expectancy was low; malnutrition, infectious diseases, and child mortality were rife; and the level of education was very poor. Prior to the 1967 war, fewer than 60 percent of all male adults had been employed, with unemployment among refugees running as high as 83 percent. Within a brief period after the war, Israeli occupation had led to dramatic improvements in general well-being, placing the population of the territories ahead of most of their Arab neighbors. In the economic sphere, most of this progress was the result of access to the far larger and more advanced Israeli economy: the number of Palestinians working in Israel rose from zero in 1967 to 66,000 in 1975 and 109,000 by 1986, accounting for 35 percent of the employed population of the West Bank and 45 percent in Gaza. Close to 2,000 industrial plants, employing almost half of the work force, were established in the territories under Israeli rule.

    During the 1970’s, the West Bank and Gaza constituted the fourth fastest-growing economy in the world-ahead of such “wonders” as Singapore, Hong Kong, and Korea, and substantially ahead of Israel itself. Although GNP per capita grew somewhat more slowly, the rate was still high by international standards, with per-capita GNP expanding tenfold between 1968 and 1991 from $165 to $1,715 (compared with Jordan’s $1,050, Egypt’s $600, Turkey’s $1,630, and Tunisia’s $1,440). By 1999, Palestinian per-capita income was nearly double Syria’s, more than four times Yemen’s, and 10 percent higher than Jordan’s (one of the better off Arab states). Only the oil-rich Gulf states and Lebanon were more affluent. Under Israeli rule, the Palestinians also made vast progress in social welfare. Perhaps most significantly, mortality rates in the West Bank and Gaza fell by more than two-thirds between 1970 and 1990, while life expectancy rose from 48 years in 1967 to 72 in 2000 (compared with an average of 68 years for all the countries of the Middle East and North Africa). Israeli medical programs reduced the infant-mortality rate of 60 per 1,000 live births in 1968 to 15 per 1,000 in 2000 (in Iraq the rate is 64, in Egypt 40, in Jordan 23, in Syria 22). And under a systematic program of inoculation, childhood diseases like polio, whooping cough, tetanus, and measles were eradicated.

    No less remarkable were advances in the Palestinians’ standard of living. By 1986, 92.8 percent of the population in the West Bank and Gaza had electricity around the clock, as compared to 20.5 percent in 1967; 85 percent had running water in dwellings, as compared to 16 percent in 1967; 83.5 percent had electric or gas ranges for cooking, as compared to 4 percent in 1967; and so on for refrigerators, televisions, and cars. Finally, and perhaps most strikingly, during the two decades preceding the intifada of the late 1980’s, the number of schoolchildren in the territories grew by 102 percent, and the number of classes by 99 percent, though the population itself had grown by only 28 percent. Even more dramatic was the progress in higher education. At the time of the Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, not a single university existed in these territories. By the early 1990’s, there were seven such institutions, boasting some 16,500 students. Illiteracy rates dropped to 14 percent of adults over age 15, compared with 69 percent in Morocco, 61 percent in Egypt, 45 percent in Tunisia, and 44 percent in Syria.

    So, the Palestinians have had open to them a really nice lifestyle compared with many Arabs in the Middle East thanks to Israel. It is Palestinian extremists which destroyed that for them and it is the Palestinian extremists which have imposed this collective punishment on the Palestinians by causing terror to Israel, the hand that feeds it.

  48. George…

    Got a question for you…

    I understand you are a bit of a Syrian patriot and anti-Israel and think the current action in Gaza is immoral and “dispportionate”

    As a Syrian…how would you guys handle it?

    I remember in 1982, Syria had a similar situation in Hama…I think you guys had some issues with some Muslim Brotherhood types…kind of like Hamas…

    I know your response was proportionate…yes? I believe you leveled the city pretty much killing 20,000 in about two weeks.

    Maybe we should use syrian tactics since obviously you are the right kind of people.

  49. Well, I blame Hamas and whoever else the devil has working for this dead economy, and all of the evil that has spread in the “professional” world here in “civilized” America. Damn you, terrorists, for spreading your soulless view on life, and spreading it here where Americans have, again, improved on it to make it more *refined*.
    No, there are no dirty bombs here, just self-centered ruthless people with any ounce of compassion sucked out of their corrupt bodies. Go back to HELL where you belong!!!

  50. who can spot right and wrong in this mess anyway..

  51. It’s not about hating Egypt as a country… Why won’t your government open the rafah crossing so that the people of Gaza can get medicine and food and water… That’s not asking much is it? It’s not that anyone blames Egypt, because clearly the ones doing the killing are the Israelis… But don’t turn away… Palestinians need open borders so that they can have food and medicine… Why not provide a space for them to come through?

    Don’t let this massacre continue…

    Regards… An ex-student of Al-Azhar…

  52. And yet nobody blames HAMAS, which brought this situation about.

    As for food & medicine, food & medicine are indeed being brought in by relief agencies, and through Israel.

    What HAMAS wants to do is bring in weapons and smuggle out HAMAS leaders.

  53. I blame Egypt for my headache.

  54. ginan rauf says:

    Words matter. And the word hysteria is telling. Anytime you want to
    discredit a legitimate critique use the word hysteria; it comes from the
    Latin hystericus and the Greek hysterikos. Think of the Greek notion that
    hysteria was peculiar to women and caused by disturbances in the uterus.
    The title cunningly conflates this inability to control emotions and perhaps
    reason with any opposition to Egypt’s position. For someone who claims to
    be a libertarian it’s mighty odd that taking issue with the position of a
    dictatorial regime makes one a self-hating ”dick”. Sounds like a classic case
    of branding dissidents traitors. The liberty to rise above the nation and
    launch a critique is compromised. What ever happend to the freedom of
    conscience? Liberty indeed.

  55. i wouldn’t necessarily blame egypt as a country, but i would blame Mubarak and his fucked up parliament for imposing a blockade that is illegal, i don’t care much for the palestinian cause, it is a lost cause, but why does egypt have to do what israel dictates? or even any kind of international agreement for that matter when people are being massacred, need medical aid etc…

    and what is a “terrorist organization”? what is terrorism? should everyone label hamas as a terrorist organization based on ad populum

    i’m not saying, but i’m just sayin’