In advance

I know we are not there yet, but Happy New year, people, may the next one not suck as hard as this one did.. Also, this blog is now officially 4 years old (and like 4 days). So yeah, happy blogeversery to the Sandmonkey blog as well. It's been awesome so far. :)

Comments

  1. congrats, it sure has been an informative experience, although I must admit I’ve only been poping in and out for the last two-three years.

  2. oxford anti-semitary says:

    Sandmonkey you do know that your wit and sense of humour are nothing extraordinary, and are mere generic stick and paste monkey see monkey do.

    However it is your immaculate conditioning and ability to adapt the rare skill that allows you to developed the technique that you have so eloquently mastered by harnessing your copy cat sense of humour to the rolling your tongue around the soft shafts of Zionism which are the keys to your nirvana. And not to forget the twist of the combination of your masculine lips and tongue on the purple headed yogurt slinger. Perfectly adjusting the sweet musk of your dick breathe.

    No wonder you chose Qatar Sam. You do know there are only on top guys and under neath guys in the Gulf you stud you!

    @ Nadavu you are here by considered a worthless troll by the resident Zionist Trolls that commonly grave here.

    Whom call ex Jews “it,” “she” “Scum,” “Mona” or whatever they can

  3. I’m glad that you have had the stamina to continue the blog. During the time you were off blogging for a bit, I really missed you. Wishing you much happiness in the new year and always!

  4. Thanks for hanging in there… of all the Egyptian blogs I used to frequent, yours is the only one still around for some reason. Don’t let the bastards get you down.

  5. I wanted to say something pessimistic but then I decided, hell with it.

    Happy New Year, SM and everybody.

  6. Seems “oxford anti-semitary” is having a little melt down. That really does make it a happy new year!! ;)

    Happy new year to Sam and all the open minded intelligent posters here!!

  7. Happy 4th blogesvesary :-) and 2009, SM!

  8. Congrats, Sandmonkey! I think I have been around almost since the beginning. In fact, I remember you making a pitch to me asking me to be a contributor to your blog. Do you remember that? I had to decline cause, after all, oh great one, we are all not worthy. Keep it up!

    Do you know what happened to the Big Pharaoh? I followed him religiously, too, until he disappeared.

  9. Sam…happy new year, happy blogoversary and many more my friend….

  10. It’s hard to remember that there was once a world without a Sandmonkey blog. Thanks for brightening to last four years with your wit and irony.

    I, too, miss the Big Pharaoh.

  11. oxford anti-semitary Says:
    @ Nadavu you are here by considered a worthless troll by the resident Zionist Trolls that commonly grave here.

    A troll made by trolls? oh, well, it’s pretty much true, I guess. You put an english blog on the web, naturally there’ll be more zionists browsing through than pan-arabists and muslim brothers.

  12. oxford anti-semitary says:

    Lol Nadavu. True dat! Don’t let it get to you though. Like Twosret said, you need unbelievably thick skin to hang out here. And yes its true, the Zionist community is rampant here, although the non Zionist visitors are likely in the 1000′s, but are so disgusted they never stay around. To me it’s like being a straight individual on a gay website. Only out of curiosity, I come here to see what tactics the Zionist supremacists are using now a days and that’s about it!

  13. happy new year—Nizar Rayyan was killed now waiting for haneya and that brave warrior hiding in syria.

  14. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1051601.html

    The two wounded men are Israelis in their 20s, police spokesman Lars Thede said. He said it was too early to speculate on whether they were targeted because of their nationality.

    Thede said a video surveillance camera showed a man in his mid-20s pulling out a gun before opening fire.

    “We cannot say whether he is Palestinian, Iraqi or where he is from,” he said. “It is too early to say whether this has something to do with what happens elsewhere.”

    I guess they can say he didn’t look like a Dane, though, eh? :O

    The men, who were selling hair-care products, had been harassed by a group of youths in recent days, Denmark’s Ritzau news agency said.

    I wonder who might be harassing Jewish hair dressers?

    According to the B.T. newspaper’s Web site, a man shouted something in another language and opened fire.

    I bet they were saying “Owlfucker” in English! It was probably some homophobic American bikers who ran in shouting “Owlfucker” at Jewish hairdressers and then just gunned them down.

  15. Happy New year SM.

    I have witnessed the subtle change in your perspectives, while dropping by here and there over the past few years.

    Is this the first time you stuck up for Egypt? Because I know you feel just like I do towards Egypts utter retardedness sometimes.

    Or is it that hate towards the Palestinians and Iranians is just contagious, especially when they are trying to pick on Egypt?

    I have a message to your readers,

    In Denmark the gunmen were definitely Arab or Muslim, who see Israel as the trademark of Y2K occupation. A gutsy occupation with a stubbornness that has not been witnessed before in mankind’s recent history.

    I think Israel must have made a promise to the War Machine of the West to continue the conflict for at least a 100 yrs or so in order to pay back the donations and supporting the late 1940′s. While keeping casualties at an absolute minimum ofcourse.

    It is pretty much a done deal…

    Either exterminate the population of the West Bank and Gaza as well as the displaced worldwide or give back the 67 borders.

    After all, it is not really representative of the Jewish religion is it , to be conquerors or exterminators, in the case of the prior, right?

    I say stop punishing all of Palestine because part of their newly elected government is firing rockets onto land which is considered Palestinian land under the U.N. resolution and International. Maybe I’m just a dumb ass, but I thought the U.N. should be listened to and respected if there is to be order in this world?

    Israel, please see the fucking light. You know you are just a little bit in the wrong. I mean come on, really, just a bit OK. So please stop the Wrong, so there can start being some Right in this world.

    Stop. We are sorry for your pain and for the terrible Holocaust, but please stop making us your enemy and taking it out on the Palestinians.

    They were sort of only protecting what they thought was their land. They didn’t know that it belonged to you and that you would suddenly take it back without warning after they had lived on it for generations and that you would stop at nothing to have it.

    Now you have coaxed the Palestinians into attacking your civilians in retaliation, out of their despair. Hence effectively calling them terrorists. Just as you were all condemned and branded terrorists in the pre 1948 days.

    All Arabs care about is their fucking dignity. You respect them, they will wed you their daughters. They are very kind, generous and giving people just like Jews are. Give an Arab praise and respect and he will gladly give you his oil, and even his last meal.

    Provoke an Arab and then you are asking for it, even if you persecute the entire race.

    You are making not just the Palestinians but Hamas especially, the biggest martyrs to ever walk the earth.

    We want peace, but peace is a two way street. Give back all that land and let’s please start over. Then if the BS doesn’t stop after giving back the 67 borders, then go ahead and bomb the shit out of the whole stinking sealed off security zones. Because until then, there probably wont be any peace

    Do you guys think you could elect some politicians who could actually make that happen?

    What do you think Sandmonkey?

  16. WTG on defending brave Palestinian freedom fighters who seek “refugee” status in other countries (with a lot of whining and crying for the visa, no doubt) so that they can heroicly gun down Jewish hairdressers in a shopping mall, dirtbag.

    PS-You do realize that the obvious alternative to your “bow down before us” scenario is for nations to expel middle-eastern Arab immigrants, or at the least stop taking in “refugees”, do you not?

    To the Danish readers of this blog… I have to say I’m not real impressed with the way you guys protect your people. The news article these victims had been harassed in that mall for days before this incident happened.

  17. Happy New Year and congrats on 4 years of blogging, SM!! I’ve enjoyed reading your thoughts (not in a creepy psychic way) for the past couple years. Keep it going!

  18. Eva, Canada says:

    Happy New Year to you, too, Monkey! And many more blogging posts for the delight of the masses! Judging by your recent production, 2009 finds you in top shape.

  19. 16. Craig:

    The thing is, it takes a lot for the police to crack down on second generation immigrants… Let’s just say that the word “racism” is used copiously when this group of people is involved, and the state shudders at the prospect of being drawn into that hornets nest!

    In any case, the justice system in this country is for the shits. Seeing as how the israelis haven’t died from their injuries, the worst the perpetrators are facing is probably 4 years in jail, out in 2. If they had died you could have doubled the sentence. Even if he was tried for premeditated murder, he would have gotten 12 years, out in 8 at most – f*cking ridiculous!

    15. Sand Ape:

    It’s good to see a civilized post from you for a change… Keep it up! :)

    “Or is it that hate towards the Palestinians and Iranians is just contagious, especially when they are trying to pick on Egypt?”

    It’s not so much hate towards those two nations/people in particular – it’s loathing towards anyone who wish for the utter destruction of other people and shy away from no means to reach that goal, all the while protesting any action taken to prevent this.

    “but I thought the U.N. should be listened to and respected if there is to be order in this world?”

    The UN gives veto-rights to an arbitrary group of countrie, including the worlds largest tyranical regime, while excluding others completely on a regular basis… there really is no reason to listen to the UN whatsoever, but lacking any alternative, it’s the best we can do it seems. In any case, the UN set down the borders for Israel in 1947 – why doesn’t Hamas have to honor these borders then? I’m all for Israel pulling back to the Partition Plan borders, but if their neighbour is not satisfied untill Israel is wiped from the map, Israel must consider itself under threat and as such, keeping Hamas-controlled Palestine to a minimum in every sense of the word is the best way of avoiding open war. Let’s hear Hamas accept the existance of the state of Israel as per the Partition Plan and stop any aggresion – then you’ll see plenty of people on this blog and all over the world demand that Israel honor those borders!!!

  20. Adam B,

    The thing is, it takes a lot for the police to crack down on second generation immigrants…

    This article:

    http://xs4.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=01&dd=02&nav_id=56155

    Says the suspect is of “Palestinian origin”. I read another article yesterday that described him as a Palestinian refugee. That doesn’t qualify as “second generation immigrant”.

    Let’s just say that the word “racism” is used copiously when this group of people is involved, and the state shudders at the prospect of being drawn into that hornets nest!

    I don’t understand. Don’t you have hate crime legislation in Denmark? This was an obvious hate crime. How can police be worried about being accused of racism, when they are protecting somebody from a racially motivated attack? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. I would think they are more liable to be accused of racism for NOT protecting Israeli Jews who were in obvious peril.

    In any case, the justice system in this country is for the shits. Seeing as how the israelis haven’t died from their injuries, the worst the perpetrators are facing is probably 4 years in jail, out in 2.

    So he won’t be tried under hate crimes laws? Here in the US, a hate crime modification to a violent crime adds 50 years to the sentence, in most jurisdictions.

    If they had died you could have doubled the sentence. Even if he was tried for premeditated murder, he would have gotten 12 years, out in 8 at most – f*cking ridiculous!

    How bad will things have to get before that changes? Things have gotten a lot better here in California since we passed the “three strikes” law. Third violent felony = mandatory life imprisonment, with no possibility of parole. Crime went WAY down, almost immediately.

  21. When Hamas has launched six thousand rockets into Israel over the last three years, it’s hard to see how Israel can do anything but retaliate. If anything, I find it difficult to understand why the Israelis waited so long.

    It’s laughable to claim that Muslims are peaceful people when their borders are so bloody throughout the world. The Arab Muslim victim schtick is so old and unbelievable that nobody but lefty boobs take it seriously anymore. It’s pretty clear that Palestinians like those in Hamas simply want to perpetrate a second holocaust. This mindless religious hate is sickening and demonstrates Islam to be a depraved kill-crazy religion. It’s pretty clear that should the Muslims ever finish off Israel, they will try to repeat the same in the rest of the world.

    Therefore, I consider my tax dollars well spent in supplying Israel with weapons. Please make good use of them. However, in return I would like to see more gun camera video of Hamas targets being blown to smithereens. I especially like the ones where the terror apes are loading rockets into their pickups and KABABABOOM! The one where you hit the arsenal in the mosque with all the secondary explosions was pretty good, too. I’m disappointed you don’t have any AC-130 gunships, considering how accurate they are and what fabulous video they provide. You should ask for some of those.

  22. Craig, oddly enough we have more problems with 2′nd and 3′rd generation immigrants than 1′st. Nevertheless, the racism-card is played each time one of them feels ill-treated for whatever reason. The police are reluctant to interfere unless they’re REAL sure that they’ve got their backs covered…

    “I would think they are more liable to be accused of racism for NOT protecting Israeli Jews who were in obvious peril.”

    Jews are not very vocal in these parts, partially because they haven’t experienced any harrassment since WW2. Immigrants from the ME, on the other hand, cry racism at any opportunity, and certain parts of our society are only too happy to obliege them with support, irrespective of whether the allegations are real (which of course they are sometimes!) or phoney…

    We do have hate crime legislation, but our definition is probably a lot more watered down than the american ditto. My guess is he might even get a discount due to emotional impact from the conflict i Gaza. But then again, I’m no lawyer…

    Things have to get really bad before the sentence goes up. The longest anyone have been imprisoned in Denmark is 30-ought years for a 1960′s cop-killer. He wasrecently released due to age and bad health. Sentences of more than 12 years are exceedingly rare. The worst part is that any psycological treatment one could argue should take the place of prison-time is negligible as well. I’m no great fan of your 3-strikes-policy for several reasons, but I’d definately go for an exponential increase in punishment (and psycologiacal treatment) for each time you commit a crime.

  23. Well after all ts said and done, it is extremely unfair to partake in a debate over 2 Danes that hold secondary Israeli citizenship that have attacked and ignore the countless injuries and deaths in Gaza right now.

    But that’s not for you guys to worry about, I am sure you couldn’t care any less. After all, Palestinian life is pretty much worthless too you guys isnt it?

    RAVO TO THE JEWISH PROTESTORS IN JERUSALEM, PROTESTING THE GAZA CAMPAIGN.

  24. I’m no great fan of your 3-strikes-policy for several reasons, but I’d definately go for an exponential increase in punishment (and psycologiacal treatment) for each time you commit a crime.

    You might feel differently if you lived in Los Angeles during the 1980s :)

    I’d much rather have habitual offenders locked up for life than out on the streets victimizing people, whether it’s completely “fair” to them, or not. Sometimes I think somebody has to personally experience how bad things can get before they are willing to take the necessary preventative measures. Somebody who lives in NYC now, for instance, probably wouldn’t even believe how notoriously bad it was in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

    Anyway, I hope Europeans don’t have to go through what the US went through before you decide to start locking up people who obviously can’t co-exist with other citizens. being made fun of because you have high rates of incarceration is a lot better than wondering if you are going to make it home safely or not, every time you leave the house :)

  25. PS to Adam…. for police to consciously decide not to protect a minority from a hate crime is REAL racism. A society that prefers real racism to the “perception” of racism has got some issues! Not trying to single Denmark out here, just making an observation…

  26. Well after all ts said and done, it is extremely unfair to partake in a debate over 2 Danes that hold secondary Israeli citizenship that have attacked and ignore the countless injuries and deaths in Gaza right now.

    So, you are only opposed to collective punishment when Arabs are the victims? Is that right? It would be pretty bad if Americans all over the world had started murdering random Arabs after 9/11, I bet… but the opposite? No problemo!

    Do you even have a brain?

  27. Sand Ape, just to clear out a misconception – the israelis shot in Denmark have no other connection to my country than having been here a few months trying to sell their products… The dude that shot them is here as a refugee fleeing violence and persecution – food for thought, ay?!?

    Sorry to say so, but israelis are not a security concern up here. Palestinians, however, are a recurring problem, seeing as how they are extremely overrepresented in our criminal statistics. Oddly enough, it’s particularly kids born in Denmark, but with parents of palestinian (or other ME) origins. In other words, we’re usually NOT talking about people that have actually grown up in war-torn Gaza.

    In any case, as have been pointed out before, the palestinians have themselves chosen the government that fired the first rockets and brought this calamity down on their heads – they’re at the very least partly to blame for their predicament.

  28. Sand Ape, you actually made some good points in your first post. if you had made it just a bit more down to earth, it would have been real food for thought.
    About the UN – I woulnd’t trust the it to negotiate a conflict in the local kindergarten. It’s a rotten, corrupted, irrelevant and ineffective organisation, probably because so much of its members are rotten and corruptive countries. Wasn’t Lybia once the head of the human-rights commity? Talk about plain stupid. However, while israel does disregard some UN decisions, the phalestinians are no less guilty of that.

  29. @ 27, what do you mean a little more down to earth, my back still hurts from bending over backwards to have written that first post? Was it too compassionate that it was understood to be facetious?

    Shrugggg

  30. Sand Ape, I, too, thought that you made some good points in your comment :)

  31. Sand Ape, I should also say that I like your sense of humor (comment #28).

  32. I meant this two paragraphs:

    “In Denmark the gunmen were definitely Arab or Muslim, who see Israel as the trademark of Y2K occupation. A gutsy occupation with a stubbornness that has not been witnessed before in mankind’s recent history.

    I think Israel must have made a promise to the War Machine of the West to continue the conflict for at least a 100 yrs or so in order to pay back the donations and supporting the late 1940’s. While keeping casualties at an absolute minimum ofcourse.”

    I wasn’t able to tell wether you were joking or not. it seems like you were joking, but then again, previous posts have shown that you’re pretty bent on different conspiracy theories, so how can I tell?
    When I read a text, if it starts out with a note of paranoia, it is likely to reduce the effectiveness of the rest of it, even if the rest is rather good.

  33. Treemonkey says:

    I love your webpage and your way of writing. I am really wondering what does it mean being pro-US (in your country)? I am from Europe and if I had to label myself in those terms, which I’d rather avoid, I would say I am pro-MyCountry or pro-EU (we are in the EU).

    Why is not just cynical, snarky, secular, libertarian… good enough description?

    I also wish you happy New Year!

  34. Happy New Year :)

  35. I think Israel must have made a promise to the War Machine of the West to continue the conflict for at least a 100 yrs or so in order to pay back the donations and supporting the late 1940’s. While keeping casualties at an absolute minimum ofcourse.

    Nice conspiracy theories, with imaginary actors and a complete lack of understanding of the way organizations actually function in the west.

    Either exterminate the population of the West Bank and Gaza as well as the displaced worldwide or give back the 67 borders.

    I supported the Disengagement from Gaza as a test of the Palestinians. To pass the test, Gaza needed to maintain a peaceful Israel-Gaza border and work to develop a more moderate Palestinian culture as the foundation for the future Pal state. This would have encouraged security-conscious Israelis by showing that the Palestinians were capable of a land-for-peace trade, so if Israel were to turn over the WB, there would likewise be a chance of peaceful borders in the east. The peace camp would have recovered, exerting pressure on the government.

    But the Gazans failed instead.

    Well, here we are. Israel will not exterminate the people of Gaza. Neither can it afford to let your terror cells continue to rocket its towns.

    In any other place, the government of the territory would would either have responsibility for the war (and be bombed) or pick up and arrest the terrorists launching the rockets, and in that case there would be no issue between Israel and Gaza.

    I say stop punishing all of Palestine because part of their newly elected government is firing rockets onto land which is considered Palestinian land under the U.N. resolution and International.

    You have a very vivid imagination. Israel is considered to be Israel by the UN, officially.

    Israel, please see the fucking light. You know you are just a little bit in the wrong. I mean come on, really, just a bit OK. So please stop the Wrong, so there can start being some Right in this world.

    Israel has done some stupid things and some wrong things.

    But there is nothing that Israel can ever give to the Palestinians will stop HAMAS from trying to destroy Israel. HAMAS is chasing decades-old delusions, and only when HAMAS (and other Palestinians) cease to chase the delusion that they can destroy Israel, only then, will there be peace.

    Stop. We are sorry for your pain and for the terrible Holocaust, but please stop making us your enemy and taking it out on the Palestinians.

    You misunderstand. You are making Israel your enemy. There are some settlers and the like (the far fringe) who are your enemies, but most Israelis never were, never wanted to be. It was only through your insistence on genocidal delusions that you push the moderate center to the right.

    Now you have coaxed the Palestinians into attacking your civilians in retaliation

    Now you are simply lying. Israel did no coaxing. Your golden boys have been up to this, because they care more about revenge, or sometimes for the orders of crazy regimes, than about the welfare or success of your people.

    , out of their despair.

    Pfft. Hardly. The triumphalist BS of HAMAS is not despair. It’s a wholly different breed of craziness.

    All Arabs care about is their fucking dignity.

    You can’t gain dignity by trying to rocket a kindergarten.

    You respect them, they will wed you their daughters. They are very kind, generous and giving people just like Jews are. Give an Arab praise and respect and he will gladly give you his oil, and even his last meal.

    Depends on the Arab, just as it depends on the Jew. There are some who are generous (and I am pleased to know some of these) and then … there are some who are psychopathic murderers.

    There are psychos in every society. A healthy society, even an unhealthy but sane one, locks them up to protect everyone.

    You are making not just the Palestinians but Hamas especially, the biggest martyrs to ever walk the earth.

    No, actually, the ones who are doing that are foreign regimes, who are continuing to peddle delusions and teach you that you only gain dignity by killing. There are nonviolent ways to win a state, but you need to end the terrorism and renounce genocide before these can even remotely begin to work.

    We want peace, but peace is a two way street. Give back all that land and let’s please start over. Then if the BS doesn’t stop after giving back the 67 borders, then go ahead and bomb the shit out of the whole stinking sealed off security zones. Because until then, there probably wont be any peace

    You still don’t understand. You have to earn that kind of gift by showing that you CAN restrain the psychos among you. Israel does not have any intention of having another Gaza right next door to its heartland. If you want the WB, you will have to show Israel that to give you the WB won’t bring about another conflict just like this one.

    Do you guys think you could elect some politicians who could actually make that happen?

    Help out by doing the same. As long as you keep picking leaders whose program is a genocidal slaughter of the Jews, Israel will not trust you.

    What the hell? You guys DO have people who aren’t crazies or gangsters or as corrupt as a cesspool or controlled from Damascus. Don’t you EVER listen to them?

  36. This is off-topic (sorry): Is it true that Egypt has ambulances, medical supplies, etc. at the Rafah crossing
    to provide assistance to people who need it in Gaza, but Hamas will not let people go through? True? Why would they do that?

  37. No conspiracy theories just facts. Israel has influence, they get away with atrocities that few countries have the pull to get away with. Yet your claiming this as a conspiracy theory is similar to belonging to a cult mentality that proclaims the sky is green and its grasshoppers hold the copyrights to green house gasses and world peace.

    Israel pulling out of Gaza but sealing it off is retarded and makes a mockery out of Israel and strengthens the apartheid notion. You can call it a buffer security zone from here to kingdom come and it wont matter.

    Check yourself, some good points were made and you admitted Israel made some mistakes.

    Until these mistakes are corrected, militants wont cease the violence. Why should Arabs put down the weapons first? In between the second and third upcoming Intifada that Israel started with its ground offensive today, nothing has been given back to the Arabs, not even by Arab Jews. It is a war of religions, simple as that, not of races.

    So the way these militants see it, they are dead anyways because they have no dignity and would rather die with honor. These militants are versed in never giving up. You claim Israel has the bigger guns so Hamas outta bow down first.

    Well I thank Israel for sprouting an unstoppable wave of suicide bombers with the ground offensive, it will unfortunately witness retaliatory attacks for the next 80 or so years to come.

    Didn’t you ever hear the words, dont scratch poison ivy, it will only spread? You guys are as dumb as Bush, if you think you can actually defeat terrorism without changing policies first, pfffft!

    You know it is a cult of hate, so stop giving them a reason to hate. Even if Israel packed up and left right now. They will still be pursued if they dont make the amends for the pain. Just like Nazi criminals were persued by Israel, which I actually still support. There must always be justice. But you see it aint about land and peace anymore. Its about respect and dignity.

    You are just pouring fuel on the fire! One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter and the vicious cycle will go on.

    The only thing that impresses me about Israel is that they are pretty much concerned with the well being of every Jew worldwide. A beautiful concept. But I am sad to say, with Israels show off unproportional reprisal and negating the fact that Israel was partly founded by terrorists gangs similar to Hamas such as the Stern Gang and Hagana and what not (forgive me I am not familiar with the precise names but you know what I am talking about) will cause the Jews to actually be persecuted again, if not physically, at least in the hearts of the people in Darfur, South Africa and everywhere there are people suffering. Especially Arabs suffering under the vast array of despot dictators.

    Israel changed the oldest religion on earth to suite Israeli propaganda. They watered down Judaism and you know it!

    Look at the enormous support for Gaza, at least 50 times that of Israel. Do you really think the world doesnt also know that Israel has made the mistakes that you acknowledged? Israel is asking for a formal apology from the owners of a broken into house after breaking into it and wrestling the home owners gun away in self defense. After the home owner apologizes, only then will the burglar allow police to be called in. As if the thief would ever call the police.
    It is beyond absurd.

    SO, I GUESS NOW IT’S DOWN TO WHO WILL STOP FIRST?

    In your shoes who should stop first.

    Should Israel stop first if the Palestinian army, the 5th strongest in the world allows fuel, rice, medicine, cheese and crackers and Charmin 2 ply toilet paper into sealed off Tel Aviv and Eilat if its inhabitants stop hurdling Honuka candle holders at everybody! Damn those things hurt?

    Now I see why this conflict is as old as time itself. Jerusalem gets passed around every century or two and it would be a great victory for the Jews if they were able to hold onto it for good, any way they could. But no army has ever been able to do that, not even diplomatically. Do you think Israel could be the first to do so? You do huh, oh that’s interesting, would you actually put lots of money on it?

    Yes, ofcourse, – if – if – if – if and more – if – the Palestinians yadee yadee ya dah!

    See the irony here?

    I knew you wouldn’t!

  38. would you actually put lots of money on it?

    I’d put my entire life on it, simply because my life depend on it.

  39. “You are just pouring fuel on the fire! One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter and the vicious cycle will go on.”

    it can go on forever, as long as we’re in the winning end. and so far, we’re in the winning end.

  40. Israel has influence, they get away with atrocities that few countries have the pull to get away with.

    Hardly. Israel doesn’t even “get away” with bombing a few terrorists. It gets accused by the media and the left of war crimes and massacres.

    Syria murdered tens of thousands of civilians at Hama. Nobody cares, anywhere. Sudan has murderered 300,000 civilians in Darfur. It has been protected by its fellow Arab regimes even from investigation of this horrific slaughter. Israel bombs HAMAS, which uses Arab civilians as human shields, and in the process a hundred human shields are killed. Despite the fact that HAMAS is committing war crimes by using human shields, it is Israel rather than HAMAS that is attacked in the Arab world as having “committed attrocities.”

    And the day any other country in the world continues to supply electric power, hard currency or construction supplies to a group that is bombarding it with rockets, please tell me.

    Israel did not seal Gaza off when it first pulled out. You are once again fudging history.

    The terrorists began firing rockets before Israel ever fired a shot. Again, you are fudging history.

    You are wrong about it being a war of religions. For HAMAS and its supporters, it has gone beyond that and is simply a war for its own sake. For Israel, it has never been a war of religion; Israel has never once attacked even a single Islamic country that has made peace with Israel. If your people make peace with Israel, and actually attempt to LIVE in peace with Israel (for the Palestinians, this has never happened) then you will never have to fear another Israeli operation again.

    As far as being dead without dignity and honor, then your terrorist buddies will be dead forever, because they have NOT ONCE since they created their group acted with honor or dignity. Hiding behind the skirts of their wives and little girls is not honor or dignity, nor is sending their own sons to blow up a bakery in Beer Sheva and, while looking into their eyes, kill 2 civilians. Your HAMAS golden boys are a bunch of power-crazed psychopaths, and it is only when you realize that and dissociate from them that your own society will stabilize.

    I thank Israel for sprouting an unstoppable wave of suicide bombers

    Think about what you are saying. You are confusing what you claim is merely a means with a desirable end, and that says a lot about your thought processes. I have absolutely no hope that you will even understand what I am saying here, but maybe one of your less muddled friends can explain it to you.

    dont scratch poison ivy, it will only spread

    Tell that to your golden boys, who have been firing rockets at Israeli towns. I’ll give you a better analogy, though, from a column in a Saudi paper: “if you can’t kill the wolf, don’t pull his tail.”

    You know it is a cult of hate, so stop giving them a reason to hate.

    Yes, I do. But you see, cults of hate don’t need a reason to hate. For example, the Iranian regime sponsored this cult of hate, even though Israel has never occupied a single millimeter of Iranian soil. The Libyan regime sponsors this cult of hate, even though Israel has never fought with Libya. Nazis sponsored such a cult of hate, even though Jews were simply one of many minority groups in the world. And so on. Nothing Jews can do will bring an end to cults of hate, except (1) fight back when attacked and (2) when the other guy is willing to stop wasting his life attacking us, to accept that.

    Nazi criminals were persued by Israel, which I actually still support

    Good. I do too, just as I strongly support the pursuit and prosecution of Serb war criminals for what they did to the Bosnians (especially Muslims) in the Balkans War (including the outright slaughter of tens of thousands of civilians) and the prosecution of members of Saddam’s government for what they did in the Anfal, the slaughter of 100,000 (Muslim) Kurds. And I support attempts to bring to justice the Sudanese government for what they have been doing in Dar Fur.

    You are just pouring fuel on the fire

    The fire is self-fueling. Israel has learned from its neighbors that to “turn the other cheek” when attacked does not bring peace; it brings more attacks. You know that is how the middle east works.

    Terrorist/freedom fighter:

    A terrorist deliberately does what he can to attack civilians. If civilians are present, he attempts to harm them. A soldier who attempts to destroy the forces that are attacking his country, makes a huge effort to avoid civilian casualties, and often (but not always) succeeds is a very different animal.

    Not once in 60 years have your people, as a whole, chosen nonviolence, or restricted your attacks to the IDF alone. Not once.

    You guys are lucky as hell that you’re fighting Israel. Gaza would have been obliterated by most regimes in the region. And when it happened, nobody on earth would raise a finger or utter a word. Except maybe some of us crazy Jews ;-)

    The only thing that impresses me about Israel is that they are pretty much concerned with the well being of every Jew worldwide. A beautiful concept.

    Someone has to do it ;-)

    Seriously, I see a Palestinian state as taking a similar proprietary interest in Palestinians worldwide. Palestinians DO learn things from Israel. Not everything (I wish you would learn more of the good stuff and less of the ****ed-up stuff), but you do learn things. Whatever existed or did not exist in the past, the past decades of being the outcast in the region have clearly created a sense of nationality among Palestinians.

    unproportional reprisal

    You throw around legal terms as though they had no definition. However, you clearly don’t understand the meaning of the legal term “disproportionate force.” I commend you to the recent Dore Gold article in the Jerusalem Post for a discussion of the term.

    partly founded by terrorists gangs

    You are talking about the Irgun and the Stern Gang, which did commit some terrorist acts, as well as some that were simply attacks on the military. But non-state military units were forcibly disbanded.

    Israel changed the oldest religion on earth to suite Israeli propaganda. They watered down Judaism and you know it!

    You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, and I guess you are just throwing in this irrelevant bit of gibberish to titillate yourself. Since you think it’s a grand thing for suicide bombers to target kids on buses, you clearly have no understanding of or interest in Judaism, so your ability to debate our religious “purity” is suspect at best ;-)

    Look at the enormous support for Gaza, at least 50 times that of Israel

    Yes, propaganda and lies, together with a population trained for decades to accept them and be angry and ignore reality, will do that.

    The reality is that HAMAS shot a veritable flood of rockets at Israeli towns, knowing (because Israel had said it would do so) that Israel would respond in force and that Gazans would suffer. Israel responded, and HAMAs was caught with its pants down because it really thought it would have a bit more time to disperse among the population. 400 or so Gazans have been killed, the vast majority of them HAMAS terrorists. Perhaps 100 Gazan civilians have been killed, if we accept Gazan figures; but because those figures include Rayyan and his 2 wives and 4 kids in the mix, then they are deeply flawed, because Rayyan himself signed their death warrants by refusing to evacuate them from a known rocket warehouse after Israel called to warn him that the place was going to be bombed. One civilian killed or injured is too many for joy, but HAMAS must shoulder all of the blame for siting rocket storage places in densely populated civilian structures.

    But your lovely Arab news services don’t say that. They say that Israel has committed a massacre of 400 helpless Palestinians, while the brave HAMAS resistance fights on, bravely striking back at Israel. If I didn’t know more than that, I would be upset too. Though, especially because Arabs have begun to become a little bit more sophisticated about parsing the news, one would think that maybe a few more of them would be asking questions ;-)

    But yeah, Israel has been positioned as the Evil Zionist Imperialist Affront to Everything Holy for so long in most of your cultures that for most people, there’s no question at all that Israel would deliberately go out and slaughter hundreds of civilians in cold blood just because it can.

    Never mind that if Israel actually wanted to commit mass slaughter, it could have done so very easily at any time, with very little effort.

    SO, I GUESS NOW IT’S DOWN TO WHO WILL STOP FIRST?

    In your shoes who should stop first.

    Israel has already tried stopping first. It even returned Gaza to you. As I have said, I supported withdrawing every last Israeli from Gaza. Then Israel held fire for months while your golden boys launched rockets into Israel.

    But your golden boys, like Rayyan, have said that there is no point to stopping the violence other than acquiring more weapons to attack Israel.

    Given that Israel is not going to commit suicide, and that it will not allow HAMAS to smuggle in tanks, Katyushas, heavy artillery and SAMs, not to mention enough explosives to vaporize an Israeli city, do you have any other proposals?

    hurdling Honuka candle holders

    They kill. They killed 2 Palestinian girls last week when they misfired. They have killed an Israeli Arab and several other Israeli civilians this week.

    The only reasons you have not been more successful in killing Israelis with them are that 1) they have no guidance systems, which also means that they cannot be combatted with anti-missile systems, and 2) Color Red and fortification in every house on the Gaza Fringe.

    Now I see why this conflict is as old as time itself

    Hardly.

    Jerusalem gets passed around every century or two.. yada yada

    We can only live in our own time. If we don’t try to build a better world today, then we can be sure that the world 200 years in the future will be a smoking ruin, and the road from here to there will be awash in blood.

    What do you care about the year 2209, anyway? You prefer blowing up a bakery to building a future. To you, taking revenge for every past slight, imaginary or real, is “dignity.”

    Let me suggest something.

    Let me suggest that you refocus. You want to survive? Survive. You want to build a state? Build it above ground. Lock up the psychos with rockets (and the guys with bulldozers on the Egyptian border) if they threaten your independence by attacking your neighbors. Declare independence and sovereignty, state outright that you’ll keep the peace absolutely if left alone, stop demanding electricity from Israel, and gas from Israel, and land from Israel, and medical care from Israel, and so on, and see what you can do for yourselves. Let the WB watch and see how it turns out. It will be harder than anything else you have ever done, by far. It won’t be impossible, though.

    If you do it, then I can GUARANTEE, without a single doubt, that over time, the average Israeli will come to respect you more for what you build than for what you destroy. That’s dignity.

    It’s sad that you just don’t see that. The road to dignity and life runs one way, and the road to terrorism and darkness the other. Israel can’t make this choice for you.

  41. Zvi said: Israel has never once attacked even a single Islamic country that has made peace with Israel. Umm Palestine ring any bells?!?

    You are talking about the Irgun and the Stern Gang, which did commit some terrorist acts, as well as some that were simply attacks on the military. But non-state military units were forcibly disbanded.

    HOW CAN THEY MAKE PEACE WITH ISRAEL WHEN ISRAEL WAS BUILT ATOP INGRUN AND STERN MASSACRED LAND?

    I was watching BBC yesterday and heard ____________ talking, he said both sides have become so psychologically paranoid and quite unstable and that both sides need strong reprimand from a global strong arm. I agree with this opinion.

    Your false comment about me is proof enough of you being psychologically paranoid quite unstable :

    Since you think it’s a grand thing for suicide bombers to target kids on buses, you clearly have no understanding of or interest in Judaism,

    then you dare to wink, as if your preposterous insinuation is Gospel and true.

    Too bad, I thought we were making some progress at least, but you just couldn’t control the venom and adrenaline could you?

    As long as you guys have the big guns, you will never go through the detox and effort required to check yourselves for sustainable and foreseen tactics, unless it is only in your own interest. I think its called pulling the victim card.

    shruggg!!!

  42. Sand Ape,

    Zvi said: Israel has never once attacked even a single Islamic country that has made peace with Israel. Umm Palestine ring any bells?!?

    Do you take statements out of context often? Here is the full context.

    Israel has never once attacked even a single Islamic country that has made peace with Israel. If your people make peace with Israel, and actually attempt to LIVE in peace with Israel (for the Palestinians, this has never happened) Emphasis added.

    massacred land

    1) you’re badly wrong here. There are parts of Israel where there were killings by Jews, but these are a small portion. In addition, there are parts of the so-called Palestine Mandate in which perfectly legal Jewish farms or villages were wiped out by Arab massacres during the 19th-20th century. Example. Arabs detroyed Hebron’s Jewish community in the 1920s. We’re never going to be able to go back and fix all of these things. Reparations are possible; resurrection isn’t going to happen.

    2) much of the middle east is built atop “massacre land,” and the Mizrachi Jews have experienced far more than their share of being killed and expelled and so on. Nevertheless Israel is willing to make peace with the countries that have massacred or expelled Jews in the past. Maybe you think that’s “undignified?” That it deprives Israel of honor? Or maybe you need to think about reparations other than destruction of Israel. I for one support some kinds of reparations for Palestinian refugees. And for the 1 million Mizrachi Jewish refugees.

    Paranoia

    True. But in Israel’s case, the fact that your golden boys, together with mainstream elements of Arab culture in most countries, continue to talk up the destruction of Israel, regardless of WHAT Israel does (the genocidal rhetoric sharply intensified after Israel turned Gaza over to the PA), shows that Israeli paranoia is actually justified in many cases.

    Jewish purity

    “Since you think it’s a grand thing for suicide bombers to target kids on buses” is based on your thanking Israel for, as you put it, causing additional suicide bombings.

    If I misconstrued your thanks, well, then my apologies for that. The deep hostility of your comments in general leaves you very open to misinterpretation. Regardless, throwing in the comment about Israel supposedly diluting Judaism, about which you know very little and whose supposed purity cannot possibly be a priority for you, shows that you were simply throwing out any attack on Israel that you could think of, whether or not it was relevant.

    Rather than addressing the significant points in my comment, you choose instead to attack me for this? That says a lot, doesn’t it?

    Victim Card

    As long as you guys have the big guns, you will never go through the detox and effort required to check yourselves for sustainable and foreseen tactics, unless it is only in your own interest. I think its called pulling the victim card.

    No, actually, pulling the victim card is something entirely different.

    You also seem to think that an emotional “victimhood” thing is the sole motivation behind Israeli policy. If your perception of Israelis is truly that one-dimensional, then you are deeply ignorant of Israeli culture and society.

    LOL Also, you make Victim Card sound like a credit card, but without the pesky business of having to pay anything back. Can I have one of those?

    Even you (Palestinians), who play the victim card all the time, must realize that continually paying your way with the victim card has drawbacks. If Israel spent all of its available capital to sustain a cult of the destruction of Mizrachi Jewish communities throughout the Arab world, and to attack Arabs in a vain effort to “regain dignity,” then it would be an utter basket case. Food for your thought, if you are willing to let yourself think about it.

    sustainable tactics

    The reality is that Israel continues to hold back, risking Israeli lives and spending insane amounts of capital rather than simply slaughtering you (despite the hysterical exaggerations and propaganda that flourish in the Arab press and tells you otherwise). The reality is that Israel is hoping for a Palestinian leadership that regards building a state as a much more important project than destroying Israel. Israel’s own internal political issues sometimes get in the way (I’m not at all a fan of settlement expansion) but Palestinians need to understand that the attacks launched from Gaza since its return are not destroying Israel. But they *are* destroying any hopes that you, personally and collectively, have to create a state.

  43. You cant break the glass and expect to still be able to pour water in it. Because of the creation of Israel the destruction of Mizrachi Jewish communities abounded.

    You say: The reality is that Israel is hoping for a Palestinian leadership that regards building a state as a much more important project than destroying Israel.

    OK suppose just suppose, Syria and Iran occupy northern Israel through Lebanon. After occupying Jaffa, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem for a decade would Israel be interested in forming a state instead of continually calling for the return of these cities or the destruction of its occupiers. Would Israel really swallow its dignity and pride after claiming these are integral parts of their heritage and country? I THINK NOT!

    Ofcourse some of my comments were hostile, I was dumbfounded by some of the neo con rationale found here. I never thought I would be staying this long but was intrigued by some of the good points made by some commentators as well as appalled by others. I think if a peace deal isnt reached by 2040, then control of all disputed areas should be raffled off!

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