We must be a bad influence on Israel

How else would you explain the "region's only democracy's"™ decision to ban arab parties from running in the next elections? I thought only we did that!

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  1. My dear Mr. Monkey, please reread that article. Two (not by any means all) Arab parties (United Arab List-Ta’al and Balad) have been selected for banning. Plus they are going to the supreme court to challenge this and perhaps override it (where in the Arab world could something like that occur?).

  2. Ok, pardon me, three, if you count UAL and Taal separately (they ran as one in 2006)

  3. Hello, they may be “only” two parties, but these are the only two Arab parties in the Knesset! Hadash claims to be a bi-national party and its ads are both in Arabic and Hebrew, while Balad and Raam-Taal are only in Arabic.

  4. “I thought only we did that!”

    Maybe Arabs do not understand that democracy has its limits and rules. You can’t be a parliament member and shake hands with the enemy of the state.

  5. It’s a difficult situation, and made all the more difficult by the fact that the two parties clearly choose to view themselves as “arab” parties… What’s up with that? Why not just have two parties, who happen to have political views that are in the interest of arab israeli citizens?

    My personal opinion is that all parties, that does not support the idea of a democracy, should not be allowed to run for elections. This view would also have stopped Hamas from running for office in the palestinian election of 2006, and would have spared the region (and the world) a whole lot of trouble. Religion (inherently anti-democratic) has no place in politics! I can’t say if any of this is true for the two parties concerned, but the article hints at support of terrorists and a refusal to acknowledge the state of Israel, which could easily be construed as a wish to undermine the israeli democracy.

    Still, it’ll always be tricky to determine who can run for office and who can’t.

  6. SM,

    You left out the part about these Arab parties openly calling for the ellimination of Israel, and being traitors to the state. (meeting with Hamas and Hizballah during times of war)

    There is not a single member of these Arab parties in the Knesset that are not openly calling for Israel’s destruction.

    Democracy has its limits. Unless you tell your readers this information, you are again part of the problem. As an aside, the leftist Israeli Supreme Court might very well overturn the ban of the Arab parties. This too is left out in this subpar post of your’s.

    As a further aside, I do not understand your problem with banning the Muslim Brotherhood. This is a group which advocates state terrorism (as well as supports terrorism around the world) and also the dismantlement of the faux secularism of Egypt. If you want Egypt to decline into an abominable Islamist police state, by all means support ‘democracy’ in Egypt and the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood.

  7. Mr. Gurwicz, what about the new “Arab Centre Party”? Although they are not in the Knesset (as they were only formed in 2008 and the last elections were in 2006) they are what one might consider not banned (and one would be correct in considering so).

  8. What can you do when your Arab parties are openly seeking to destroy their host state? When their members support, promote and abet terrorism? When these parties exist solely for these purposes – destruction of Israel and aid to Israel’s enemies (including in times of direct warfare)?

    I say banning the bastards is not enough. A lot of these “politicians” deserve to be tried for treason and associated crimes.

  9. But we definitely are a bad influence for anyone!

  10. SM,

    Please, research subject better.

  11. SM,
    I wonder what did you think when Israel banned racist Kahana’s party from running. Democracy should maintain its red lines.

  12. Israel’s actions speak for itself, shooting trapped fish in a barrel says a lot about a country!

  13. I Laugh — I laugh — I Laugh !!

    When I hear 60% of people use the term ‘Palestinian Terrorism’ LOLOL — OH DEAR GOD!

    That’s like if someone breaks into your house and you try and throw them out, then you are the terrorist — see the irony here — and the cops come and arrest you and make you live in your own attic. Of course you will fire rockets out of your attic at these imbeciles.

    Israel committed BREAK AND ENTER and ethnic cleansing.

    STREN GANG, IGRUN, HAGANA, LEHI, Yitzhak Rabin, Ariel Sharon, Rehavam Zeevi, Dov Hoz, Moshe Dayan, Yigal Allon and Dr. Ruth Westheimer.

    How Israel even gained temporary recognition as a country is beyond me.

    To use the word Palestinian terrorists is to be intellectually dishonest as well as severely retarded. Quite being so niave!

  14. According to article they had been banned, the banning is contested but the parties and it goes before a judge. One of the sentence in JP reads:
    “I’m making no apologies because I fight more than most in the Knesset for equal rights for Arabs. I know it won’t stand up in the Supreme Court, and rightly so, because there is no evidentiary basis for the [committee's] decision.”
    SM I know that in egypt there are copts parties and in emirates there are many various parties, so israel may have learned how to behave from its neighbours.
    But wait, there are no copts parties in Egypt and emirates do not allow political parties at all, so you are wrong. Israel learnt nothing, there are still parties in Israel.

  15. 67 BORDERS ISRAEL OR DIE TRYING or ELSE NO DEAL!

    Thanks for building the settlements for the Pali’s that you know you will have to vacate sooner or later anyways! Therefore I kinda don’t mind the settlement building for the next decade or so!

  16. Well, at least that’s better than 0.1% Christian representation in Egypt….

  17. EgyPeter you are dreaming, its more like 00000000.00000000000% in Egypt, you have been away too long!

  18. brooklynjon says:

    Egypeter,

    Or the representation that the Jewish Egyptians get in Egypt.

    But then again, they were ethnically cleansed out of there a half century ago, with their property stolen, so never mind.

    bj

  19. bj did you just say Jews, ofcourse jews were kicked out after the creation of Israel, otherwise they lived in peace there for centuries. Come on, don’t play that!

  20. bj did you just say Jews, ofcourse jews were kicked out after the creation of Israel…

    So, that makes it OK. And it was OK for Saddam to forcibly expel and steal the property of hundreds of thousands of ethnic Iranians back in the 1970s, for whatever bullshit reason he came up with… and I’m sure it was OK for Arabs to forcibly expel Kurds and steal their lands in Northern Iraq, for some bullshit reason or another, and…. long story short, it is always OK when Arabs do it, right?

  21. brooklynjon says:

    Sand Ape,

    By your logic, would it be acceptable for Israel to kick out all the Arabs resident within her borders? Or was this just ethnic cleansing that is more palatable to you because it happened to someone else?

    bj

  22. Only if they did something, no?

    If Israeli Arabs side and collude with the resistence of Hizbollah or Hamas, then by all means kick them out! i believe they are barred from Parliament already, no?

  23. there is one thing nobody has asked sand ape. he talks of the 1967 borders as if it were the only motive of the pal arabs to kill jews. here’s what he should be asked:

    1. when the quran was filled with jewish hatred and murder prompts, was israel’s 67 borders the reason? was calling them apes and pigs due to israel?

    2. when out of the ruins of the ottoman empire the arabs were offered a larger country then the jews, did they accept it? if not, what exactly did they do?

    3. before 1967 who was ruling gaza and the west bank? if there was a pal people there, why did not Egypt and Jordan create a pal state? had it anything to do with keeping the hatred festering in camps as weapons against israel that is now blowing in their faces?

    4. are there any israelis left in gaza? so when hamas talks about occupation, do they refer to gaza, you think?

    I suggest that you read the hamas charter, watch their tv. if, after that you can still claim that what they want is 1967 border, you’re either a fool, or a hypocrite.

    hamas is not a pal movement. it is a jihadist fascist organization funded by iran

  24. compare hamas behavior towards their own people with this:

    http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2009/01/pictures-of-idf-youll-never-see-in.html

    so, no, luckily israel has not been influenced by arab culture.

    tell me, pls, that hamas would have behaved anywhere close to this had it been the other way around.

  25. Bj – What the fascist Nasser did was nothing short of criminal!! The guy should have been tried and thrown in jail – for thievery, war crimes and raping Egypt of her identity!

    Easily easily one of the worst leaders in mankind’s history!

  26. Israel is not a democracy for all its citizens. Stop rationalizing.

  27. ewish history dictates that they cant get along with anybody, as far back as Islam etc. hence their need for a homeland. Stolen or not, it wont matter coz the way they see it, everyone hates them anyways. The hamas charter was void and they agreed to their 67 borders, but now its way too late I am afraid!

    You can talk from here till kingdom come, but just give back the land or buy it. Don’t steal it by force. Thank you!

  28. well, it does not surprise me that you did not answer ANY of my questions. that’s because you know the answers. instead you dump your antisemitic crap which reveals the ignorance and stupidity on which racism ad hatred are based. just as usual you take the fake pal arab history that the arabs created and project it on the jewish history. this is in large part why you are losers, without one decent civilized society among your millions.

    this is how one can easily understand why you call the jews apes and pigs: it’s projection too.

    you’re green with envy.

  29. @21

    bj,

    The Jews already kicked out the Palestinians from their homes and lands.

  30. no. the arabs and their own leaders induced the local arabs (not pals) to run away so the arab armies would finish up the jews and return the arabs. the jews won and the arabs screwed the pals they induced to run.

    and in any case, not more palestinians ran away than jews were kicked out of arab countries. so even if we accept your lies, we’re still even.

  31. Hmmmm, who is the one having a temper tantrum about stolen land ooooo on that for a while.
    :)

  32. I just had to tell you that you are a typical huge racist Zionist thug to call all Arabs scum. Did you hear yourself! And the part about the Arab propaganda and conspiracy theory is a first.

    So sod off you Zionist troll puppet.

  33. you chose your name well — it fits.

    sounds like you threw a tantrum, not me.

    i deal in facts, you deal in crap. i stated facts, you never addressed them. you made claims about history that were pure unadulterated antisemitism. and you have the nerve to call me a racist? figures.

    please point out where i called all arabs scum. i did call them losers, which they are. please specify one arab country which is modern, democratic, civilized and contributing to humanity anything of value. just one.

    the palestinian problem is the arab states’ doing. the same arab states that are now turning against you as they did in the past. you are reaping the fruit of what you seeded. but blaming the joos is always easier.

  34. brooklynjon says:

    twos,

    Some of the Palestinians were kicked out, as you say, by the Jews. And some were kicked out by the invading Arab armies. And some left of their own accord, anticipating returning after all the Jews were killed. But that’s not the question. Egypt decided that some of it’s resident Jews had loyalty for Israel, and ethnically cleansed Egypt of all its Jews. Could Israel then, fairly, with your and Sand Ape’s blessing, conclude that since SOME resident Arabs are sympathetic to Hamas or Hezbollah or Israel’s various other enemies, and therefore toss ALL the Arabs out of Israel? Citizens and non-citizens alike? Good for the goose is good for the gander?

    What do you say, Twos?

    Sand Ape, feel free to answer. Ethnic cleansing for ethnic cleansing. Fair? Not fair? And if not fair, why not?

    And by the way, Two, do you really, really think Egypt should respond to a missile misfiring and landing on the Egyptian side of the border by mistake by shelling Israel? I mean, you really think this? I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt to fully flesh out your brief comment on another thread. ‘Cause it sounds like you are favoring another war between Israel and Egypt, and that doesn’t sound like the violence-abhoring Twosret I know.

    bj

  35. ” # Sand Ape Says:
    January 13th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    I Laugh — I laugh — I Laugh !!

    When I hear 60% of people use the term ‘Palestinian Terrorism’ LOLOL — OH DEAR GOD!

    That’s like if someone breaks into your house and you try and throw them out, then you are the terrorist — see the irony here — and the cops come and arrest you and make you live in your own attic. Of course you will fire rockets out of your attic at these imbeciles.

    Israel committed BREAK AND ENTER and ethnic cleansing.

    STREN GANG, IGRUN, HAGANA, LEHI, Yitzhak Rabin, Ariel Sharon, Rehavam Zeevi, Dov Hoz, Moshe Dayan, Yigal Allon and Dr. Ruth Westheimer.

    How Israel even gained temporary recognition as a country is beyond me.

    To use the word Palestinian terrorists is to be intellectually dishonest as well as severely retarded. Quite being so niave!”

    Practice first what you preach. Get the fuck out of Kurdistan, Assyria and hell Egypt as well! It does belong to Copts not Arabs! Besides kicking a squatter and thief of ones land is simply taking back what is yours to begin with.

    No other country tolerates traitors in its parliament. Those scum would be executed in any other country. At least they should simply expel them

  36. I think Israel should fully adopt Egypt’s policy, and ban all political parties that are based on religon.

  37. Nadavu, 100%!!!!!

  38. That’s like if someone breaks into your house and you try and throw them out, then you are the terrorist — see the irony here — and the cops come and arrest you and make you live in your own attic. Of course you will fire rockets out of your attic at these imbeciles.

    the only imbecile i see is you. you swallowed whole the arab myth that jews broke in their house. that’s an entirely fabricated lie with which they indoctrinate their people from kindergarten. never happened, but it looks like they got to you too.

    and anyway, the arabs responded to their fake narrative by throwing out more jews than arab so-called refugees. so even if we accept the lie, we’re more than even.

    ethnic cleansing is what the arabs would do if they ever won any war. they SAY it.

    ignorant, gullible and stupid.

  39. 34

    bj,

    I am echoing the calls of war on Lebanon and Gaza for a rocket fired and for the kidnapping of the soldiers on the borders doesn’t it sound similar to you?

    i.e. why would an Israeli support war against Lebanon for firing a rocket at Israeli town and an Egyptian wouldn’t?

    got it ;-)

  40. *Doesn’t that sound familiar to you?

    Egypt has the right to protect it’s security and land no?

  41. “Egypt has the right to protect it’s security and land no?”

    But Israel doesn’t?

  42. their leaders ran away from the israeli area first and then told their masses to run away too, so that the arab armies could attack, finish the jews and bring them back. there are documents that confirm that they were implored to stay but were told by their coward leaders in exile and the arab countries to leave.

    arab/muslim societies are honor/shame societies. the running away and war loss to the joos is a huge shame, which they cover up by complaining that they were driven away. they did ethnic cleansing of joos yet they complain about the joos who did no such thing.

    once the arab attacked because they did not accept the UN allocation to their state, in war israel was justified in removing arabs in certain areas for military reasons. but the vast majority of arabs just ran away.

    the term palestinian people appeared for the 1st time in 1967 and was invented by the arabs as a means to deny the jews their state. the best evidence that there was not such a people is:

    (a) neither egypt nor jordan created a palestinian state when they ruled Ghaza and the West Bank; had they won the wars they would have split israel between them.

    (b) for 60 years the so-called palestinians have been unable at every opportunity to build up the foundation of a state/nation. the joos did it under duress because they are a nation.

    this causes enormous envy and hatred, particularly to muslims who believe the infidels ought to be dhimmis under the muslim boot.

  43. No Israel should every country should let us nuke each other and see how that goes :-)

  44. for every rocket fired let us kill 1,000 people including women and children how about that? for every soldier kidnapped let us destory a country and bomb it until the country turn to ashes.

  45. Roman Kalik says:

    I am echoing the calls of war on Lebanon and Gaza for a rocket fired and for the kidnapping of the soldiers on the borders doesn’t it sound similar to you?

    i.e. why would an Israeli support war against Lebanon for firing a rocket at Israeli town and an Egyptian wouldn’t?

    Intent. You are comparing an accident to clear and present attacks on a sovereign nation’s citizens and armed forces, with the clear intent of maximizing casualties of the former group.

    for every rocket fired let us kill 1,000 people including women and children how about that? for every soldier kidnapped let us destory a country and bomb it until the country turn to ashes.

    But wait! Instead, we can mark one group of civilians as entirely sacrosanct, and another as target practice for rocket teams.

    And we can call that Peace.

    And let’s and add emotional hyperbole and minimize the damage to the side we don’t like and add increase that of the side we *do* like a thousandfold, if only in our minds.

    And we can call that Truth.

    And we will say that one side must suffer and bow and make amends, and the other must be bound by no treaty, no law, no basic human moral trait.

    And we can call that Justice.

    How many Israeli Jewish dead and forced out of their homes will it take to quench your thirst for revenge, Twosret? How many will it take to make the situation *balanced* in your mind?

  46. All I see here, is, Zionists slowly admitting that YES, they are ethnically cleansing the Arabs, but it is OK because other races did it in the past!

    Sad — Trivial and retarded!

    Israel owes its existence to a UN resolution.

    The same UN that it pisses on now and disobeys til the death!

    Seriously God was right when he said there will be a fake Israel where rivers of blood will flow, Jew and Gentile alike, until he collects their transgressing souls.

    Amen!

  47. what an ass.

    “The same UN that it pisses on now and disobeys til the death!”

    uhuh. and the arabs did not piss on the UN, did they, just when they were offered the state.

    i reiterate that not only you have not addressed one issue that I raised, but you don’t even understand the simplest logic. no surprise there.

    for every rocket fired let us kill 1,000 people including women and children how about that? for every soldier kidnapped let us destory a country and bomb it until the country turn to ashes.

    not only are your statistics false, but there is a little detail you conveniently ignored: hamas is crapping on its population and using even children as shields. and even so the deaths of civilians are quite low by military standards. you just keep lying and may fool the ignorants in the west (and even yourselves) but you can’t fool knowledgeable people who are not intimidated as dhimmis and appeasers.

    but hey, if the truth doesn’t support you, lie. taquiya. war is deceit says the quran.

  48. here’s hamas in its own words:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/opinion/14goldberg-1.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

    now what were you saying, this is a stolen land issue?

    now, either you really believe that and you’re a fool, or you don’t and you’re a liar. take your pick.

  49. ” Sand Ape Says:
    January 14th, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    All I see here, is, Zionists slowly admitting that YES, they are ethnically cleansing the Arabs, but it is OK because other races did it in the past!

    Sad — Trivial and retarded!

    Israel owes its existence to a UN resolution.

    The same UN that it pisses on now and disobeys til the death!

    Seriously God was right when he said there will be a fake Israel where rivers of blood will flow, Jew and Gentile alike, until he collects their transgressing souls.”

    Israel owes its existence not to the UN but to kicking the shit of the Arab armies that invaded her on her independence day. There were Jews 2 thousand years before Mohamed was born, Jews throughout most of the present day Arab world 2 thousand years before the Arab invasions. And 2 thousand years after Islam is considered nothing more than a bad nightmare the Jews will still be there. In the meantime why don’t the Arabs quite their illegal occupation of Zion and the rest of the subjugated peoples land that they have conquered?

  50. Hey Ball sucker of Zionism! You cunt faced retarded dick licker! You keep an farting the words — i reiterate that not only you have not addressed one issue that I raised — I do not answer you dim witted rhetoric because it is beneath me YOU GREESE BALL! Even your name oaaoaoa sounds like a squealing pig getting it in the ass inside a homosexual kibbutz from his Arab masters! Now lay on the floor and spread them you racist fuck, so I can really show you what Arab dick feels like.

    You and that cum sucker CUBANBOB who just admitted again to ethnic cleansing by foolishly trying to justify it!

    You pigs lost your homes when we raped your mothers and kicked you out of our lands after you murdered our cousins in Palestine. If you wanted the land so much then you should have fought for it back then, not go out on a world domination crusade you dumb fuck retarded scum of the earth! We will make sure you never even shit in peace again you lost tribe of Zion!

    Your religion says that you are lost stubborn scum but you turned against G-d just as you turned against the U.N. you traumatized genocidal baby killing thieves. Shame on you for even breathing our air you SUPOREME HEAVENLY LOW LIFES. Even Satan doesn’t want you!

  51. Whoa…

    Sand Ape really had a meltdown this time – there’s not one single coherent argument in that last post!

    I’m baffled!

  52. ROFL! Be baffled all you want deary Adam and please keep using that dispicable Tedders AIPAC terminology like “Meltdown” with me all you want. I have become immuned to it already. How niave of you to even infer that I was trying to raise any coherent argument while I was replying to pschopathic racist neandethal scum sucking pig of a human bastard who is taunting the whole Arabsphere while his army of killing pigs kills our brothers and sisters in Palestine and have a particular fondness to baby mutilation!

    Don’t flatter yoursel Igor!

  53. “Meltdown” is a descpicable terminology?

    As opposed to “pschopathic racist neandethal scum sucking pig of a human bastard”…?

    Sigh…

  54. Well, I guess you could construe my violent tone as being out of the ordinary, hence prompting you to dismiss the fact that I am just fed up of being civil and getting insulted for my views alone. Hence defending myself when verbally attacked has made you insinuate with your Zionist God complex that I am having a nervous break down, but out of fear of not being civil and offering me medical attention, have instead chosen the word melt down! Your regime is shooting babies in the head and you want civility???? Come again?!

  55. “Your regime is shooting babies in the head and you want civility?”

    From your viewpoint: I’m not israeli

    From my viewpoint: I’m not a Hizbollah or Hamas follower.

  56. LOl that :)

  57. because it made no sense :)

  58. Sorry, I’ll try to spell it out more clearly….

    YOU’RE stating that MY regime is shooting babies.

    I, based on your previous posts, conclude that YOU think I’m ISRAELI, and deny this.

    I, recollecting that the only ones I’VE heard of, that have actually smashed the head of babies, are members of Palestinian terror organizations, stress that I’m not a supporter of either Hamas or Hizbollah.

    In case you’re wondering…

    http://www.defenddemocracy.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11781847&Itemid=0

  59. It makes no difference really coz just ask yourself who you support? you already used the term we, referring to Israel many a time!

    If you want to beat an enemy, you must first discredit them.

    We have been discredited to you by the enemy and thats all their is to it. Its that simple. Just as we have successfully discredited the enemy to the supporters of our side.

    Are you that London band member Adam M.B? I asked you this question already.

  60. Sand Ape:

    No, I use the term “we” in regards to the western world, in which Israel happen to belong.

    Nope, not a band member in London, or anywhere else actually… Sorry. :)

  61. Would you consider the nation of Turkey a Western country as well? How about Greece or Cypruss. Just curious. And what is the definition of a Western country in your books anyhows?

  62. I would yes, although Turkey is teetering, coinsidering their lack of recognition of the armenian genocide, their persecution of the Kurdish minority, and their general disregard for human rights, such as free speech…

    As I’ve pointed out for Craig as well, nothing is black and white in this world. Some would consider Turkey well within the western world (nato member and all) while others think of it as a clorified third world country.

  63. How did Israel make it into your list of Western countries? Most importantly what is your criteria for a country to fall under that list? I guess you considered South Africa to be a Western Country too when it was an apartheid. But now you don’t am I right?. If Israel were to relinquish control over to a democratically elected secular government would you still consider ‘it’ to be Western nation? How about Cyprus and why not Lebanon? Or does a country with a large ethnicity of Arabs disqualify it as a WESTERN NATION because their ideology is too far from that of the Western norm? Any Western Nations in south America under your definition, how about Asia? Id Russia joins the E.U. would that also make it a Western Nation or what?

    A welcome change from discussing Israel/Palestine!

  64. Sand Ape, guess away – that won’t make your statements any more correct…

    This sentence…

    ” If Israel were to relinquish control over to a democratically elected secular government would you still consider ‘it’ to be Western nation?”

    …doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. It lstarts out like you’re reffering to Gaza (in which case my answer would be “time will tell”), but ends up like you’re reffering to Israel (in which case my answer would be “they’re already there”) – which is it?

    As for Israel, sure I consider it a western nation – it has free elections for everyone, show a basic respect for human rights, takes action when either are threatened, and has done so for a long time.

    I’m not sure why you bring up Cyprus, but Lebanon certainly doesn’t fall into the category, insofar as it does not live up to any of the conditions I mentioned for Israel above.

    “Or does a country with a large ethnicity of Arabs disqualify it as a WESTERN NATION because their ideology is too far from that of the Western norm?”

    A population of arabs does not per default disqualify a country from belonging to the western world, but the last part of your question sort of answers itself, doesn’t it? :D

    As for South America, Asia and Russia for that matter – see the above conditions mentioned for Israel.

  65. 1.) Even you Adam must know that to claim this as you did, … “they’re already there” Claiming that Israel really is fair democratic country is a God damn lie!
    2.)Your second statement: “As for Israel, sure I consider it a western nation – it has free elections for everyone, show a basic respect for human rights, takes action when either are threatened, and has done so for a long time. So therefore you are consider India and Pakistan Western nations as well! :)
    3.) And this hypocritical ambiguous comment:”A population of Arabs does not per default disqualify a country from belonging to the western world, but the last part of your question sort of answers itself, doesn’t it?

    Sorry but you are making no sense if you are saying that freedom, equality, true democracy, lack of apartheid are the prerequisites of the Western nations club.

    Plus you failed to answer my question about South Africa.

    I will answer the question for you. whom so ever is in the good graces of the main WESTERN NATIONS, is therefore obliged entry into the club!

  66. “So therefore you are consider India and Pakistan Western nations as well!”

    No. There’s a basic lLACK of respect for human rights in Pkistan and even India.

    “Sorry but you are making no sense if you are saying that freedom, equality, true democracy, lack of apartheid are the prerequisites of the Western nations club.”

    You’re the one making no sense… I have absolutely no idea what you’re trying to say here! :D

    “Plus you failed to answer my question about South Africa”

    I wasn’t aware that I was obligated to answer your questions… But I’ll humor you – No, South Africa has not been and still isn’t a western nation. Under the apartheid rule they lacked free elections for everyone and basic human rights. Today, they’ve implemented the election-part but still lack the human rights…

    “I will answer the question for you. whom so ever is in the good graces of the main WESTERN NATIONS, is therefore obliged entry into the club!”

    That’s probably true – we make up the club and therefore we define the rules. You’re free to try out for a membership or not, but the perks are great! ;)