And the winner of the Ghaza conflict is..

Hosny Mubarak. I know, I know, I am shocked too. But check this out: 1) He managed to sideline Qatar and Syria and the Iranian allies in the region, despite the huge pressure they put on him, and made Egypt the most important player in the palestinian Israeli conflict again (ironically, thanks in part to that same pressure), 2) His popularity in Egypt grew because of his position on the Ghaza offensive and the "Blame Egypt" global hysteria that followed, amazingly even amidst people who have always opposed him, and 3) He managed to get Hamas to accept the egyptian truce intiative yesterday, which is not a victory for Hamas by Israeli admission, and also ,which- if Israel agrees to- would end the conflict and makes the proposed emergency session of the arab league that Qatar wants so badly -in order to have another PR victory- purposeless.

Weird, huh?

It all hinges on Israel agreeing to the Egyptian intiative now. If they do, this whole thing would be finally over.

Comments

  1. I doubt that Israel is going to be interested in “just” a cease-fire agreement. That’ll just mean time for Hamas to regroup and rearm… I think Mu is gonna have to come up with more than that to get the israelis to the negotiating table.

  2. “It all hinges on Israel agreeing to the Egyptian intiative now. If they do, this whole thing would be finally over.”

    Yes, in a magical world of gumdrop smiles and chocolate donut raindrops. Thanks for that early morning laugh.

  3. Abu Sa'ar says:

    Hosni certainly played his cards right. But that was clear from the very start. The “Death to Egypt” hysteria is just the cherry on top.

    However, you are overestimating the actual benefits for people who are not Hosni Mubarak. Hamas didn’t agree to a cease-fire, they agreed that cease-fire is conceptually possible. But only if Hamas gets to continue firing rockets at Israel, takes over all the borders (to get more and better rockets) AND if Hamas is payed by Israel and the rest of the world (so that it’ll have money to buy more and better rockets).

    Surely, an excellent deal for Israel. Why don’t we build concentration camps and gas ourselves there, too? As a precondition to a cease fire with Hamas? You know, “kill a few dozen Jews, get 6 million more free” kind of deal?

  4. Abu. Let’s wait and see the final draft. I have a feeling that the Ghaza Hamas leadershipis gonna comrpomise big time to stay in power. The Israeli political leadership, being the incompetent opprutunistic hacks they are, will probably take it and call it a victory and use it as proof “of them making Israel safe”, just in time for an election, because, let’s face it, those people only think short term benefits.

    But again, let’s wait and see! Maybe it will all fall apart today again. It is the middle-east!

  5. I’m less optimistic than you, but I do hope it ends soon and that Hamas ends up looking like the scum they are. Glad that Egypt is out in front too. Whatever happens in Gaza, though, the things that have been done elsewhere are going to have be having an impact for quite a while. For Gaza (and not Iraq) to be the final nail in NATO’s coffin sounds like justice, to me. Afghanistan is going to have a rough go of it, though. Maybe the UN will step up. One can always hope.

  6. SM, I think Israeli voters are smart enough to understand that if there are no international monitors and a system for checking the border for weapons smuggling tunnels, then there is no point in a ceasefire.
    The Egyptian FM turned out to be a liar saying at first there are no tunnels, then flip flopping .
    Egypt lost a lot of credibility throughout the world.

  7. PS-Euros should be damn glad that Obama is coming into office in a few days with a need to prove himself a good statesman. On the other hand, he’s the first President we’ve ever had that doesn’t have a European background, so… hmmm… well, sometimes when you mess your bed, you have to sleep in it. Was nice knowing you. Enjoy the Russians :)

  8. “On the other hand, he’s the first President we’ve ever had that doesn’t have a European background, so… hmmm… well, sometimes when you mess your bed, you have to sleep in it. Was nice knowing you. Enjoy the Russians ”

    Completely ridiculous statement… tsk tsk!

  9. Adam, you my exchanges with you (which I enjoyed) are what convinced me that the divorce is coming, and that it’s long overdue. You guys have been taking us for granted for decades while at the same time you spit in our eye. It seems like, from discussions I’ve had with Europeans, that you are as close to “pro-American” as it gets in Europe. And that isn’t good enough. Most Americans don’t even talk to Europeans at all – they don’t even know any – but they do watch the news. The American public has wanted to leave the UN since the 1980s, did you know that? It shows up in poll after poll. You are free to write my opinions off as “ridiculous” but frankly, the US doesn’t need anything from Europe except political support. And, we don’t get that. *shrug*

  10. Riiiight…

    The US doesn’t need trade. It doesn’t need to exchange scientific research. It doesn’t need anything from anyone, right?

    Luckily you guys have people in charge that sees it otherwise. That’s where my “ridiculous” comment came from…

    You don’t want your place in the UN? Fine – can we have it? It’d be great to have the power to veto anything that doesn’t suit us… ;)

  11. Sandmonkey I don’t know who you are but I enjoy your political views, I hope you can translate these articles into Arabic to allow more poeple to niew your opinons.
    Keep up the good work.
    Thank you

  12. “the US doesn’t need anything from Europe except political support. And, we don’t get that. *shrug*”

    The latter point is true, but as to your first point: the irony is that the US only THINKS it needs European political support. Like a tamed elephant that will not break a tiny rope tied to it’s foot, the US has been browbeaten and shamed for the last 3-4 decades by the European Left into thinking that they can’t “go it alone”…Bush was the exception and his paid the price.

    I look forward to Obama and his Bill Clinton-redux administration returning to that abusive relationship, if only to accelerate the process of appeasement of Russia and to watch with glee as the US “allies” all over the world demand Obama come to the rescue with non-existant US troops.

  13. Craig, just to show you…

    http://www.eurunion.org/eu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1746&Itemid=9

    …that we DO need each other!

    Plus, even though you do your best to distance yourself from us, the EU are the closest “allies” in spirit that the US will find anywhere on this earth. You guys have a lot more in common with us than you do anyone else, like it or not! ;)

    Americans have tried the isolationist policy before – it didn’t work out very well…

  14. The US doesn’t need trade. It doesn’t need to exchange scientific research. It doesn’t need anything from anyone, right?

    I didn’t say “anyone” – I was talking about you (western europe) :)

    None of the major powers is in Western Europe, Adam. Western Europe doesn’t have any resources we need. We have a better relationship with India and China than we do with Western Europe(I could actually make that same claim about most of the globe), and we need them more too. We even need teh Arab world more than we need Western Europe. And scientific research? Well, history tells us that the greatest minds in Europe will flee to America to escape your insanity once it gets to bad. Thanks for Albert Einstein, by the way… he really helped us a lot.

    So, no, we don’t need anything from you. Except the political support that we don’t get.

    Luckily you guys have people in charge that sees it otherwise. That’s where my “ridiculous” comment came from…

    Keep telling yourself that. It’s pretty clear from reading European media that you guys don’t really have any clue what the US is like. I don’t even recognize the country the BBC is bashing day in and day out.

    You don’t want your place in the UN? Fine – can we have it? It’d be great to have the power to veto anything that doesn’t suit us… ;)

    2 out of 5 vetos isn’t enough for Western Europe? lol. You guys don’t even rate the 2 you have now. France’s veto (which was a gift from the US) should go to India. Great Britain’s should go to Germany, and that will be Western Europe’s veto. America’s veto can go to… hmmm…. how about Egypt? Muslims rate a veto, don’t they? Well, you guys can sort that out on your own while we go play kissy face with people who like us better.

  15. Jim and Craig: Actually, the US needs the EU (and vice versa) for everything BUT political support… :)

  16. Craig…

    1. Check out the link I provided. You might think the world looks different, but it doesn’t.

    2. But you just pointed out that you don’t see Europe as one entity, so what gives with the France-and-Britain-have-vetos-too thingy? i want a veto for Denmark! :D But seriously, I’m against veto powers in the UN altogether…

    “Well, you guys can sort that out on your own while we go play kissy face with people who like us better.”

    Face it, noone likes you better.

  17. “His popularity in Egypt grew because of his position on the Ghaza offensive and the “Blame Egypt” global hysteria that followed, amazingly even amidst people who have always opposed”

    what? who told you that ?
    Yesterday they were burning his pictures in BorSaid and Tanat, i think most of the people now are thinking in him as he is Isrealian Spy

  18. ebles, I am not counting MB demonstrations!

  19. SM – I am afraid you’re right. The New Troika (Olmert/Livni/Barak) is almost exactly the same as the Old Troika(Olmert/Livni/Peretz). Slightly better – at least now we have a shitty ex-general responsible for security instead of a mustachioed rabble-rousing idiot. This little bonus prevented them from fucking up IDF’s work this time. But the combined idiocy of the Troika is more than enough to fuck up IDF’s work “post mortem”, throwing away all the gains of the operation.

    An important point is that Hamas don’t really want a ceasefire. It’ll look like they’ve lost; they’ll lose their Iranian funding and public support. Barring the kind of ceasefire that Hamas can agree to (also known as Israeli capitulation), they have only one chance to survive this storm and one hope to rebuild their power – continue fighting. They must continue fighting until they a) actually manage to kidnap a soldier; b) hit a concentration of Israeli civilians or c) trick IDF into killing a lot of their civilians.

    They’re trying hard for a), but IDF came very much prepared and their trapped houses, ubiquitous tunnels and cross-dressing terrorists are effectively thwarted. They might get a lucky break, but it’s unlikely: so far they’ve been as effective in combat as wet tissue in personal defense.

    b) is also difficult. Home Front Command did a good job preparing – lots of defenses were built, the sirens are working well, the population is drilled in getting to cover in 15 seconds. And Hamas’ preferred targets – kindergartens and schools, on which the rockets are aimed – are empty. They still might get lucky, but it’s unlikely, especially since they’re having more and more difficulty launching rockets.

    c) is their best best. Hell, if they get desperate they can herd some children into a trapped house, blow it up and claim it was IDF. So they don’t even have a time constraint, but directly killing lots of their own civilians be a more difficult sell than tricking IDF into killing lots of civilians. They came very close with the UN school. If Hamas can kill enough Gazans, the EU and UN will force Israel to surrender.

    So Hamas’ best course of action is drawing out the fighting while trying to harm as many Gazans as possible. Ceasefire can only be acceptable to them if their “reservations” are addressed – namely, that the ceasefire becomes an unconditional Israeli capitulation.

    Israel’s best course of action is solving the Hamas issues without Hamas – taking over all the borders, having a new and improved agreement with Egypt about Rafah crossing, possibly destroying and denying enough Hamas leadership to create a vacuum for Fatah (they’re less in-your-face with their genocidal intention, and they’re having a prolonged period of rearmament right now anyway). I doubt whether the Troika can pull it off. Especially until Obama’s inauguration.

  20. guess where barry’s having is first foul sandwich when he speaks in the middle east?

  21. Next thing you know Sandmonkey, you’re going to give yourself credit for the cease-fire like you did for the reopening of Cafe Riche. Come on, that shit was HILLARIOUS man! You would probably go on and say something like it is really because of Gamal Mubarak reading your blog which is closely watched by his intelligence service as well as that of Netanyaho’s PR advisors.

    How preposterous of you!

    When you lived in polluted Egypt you were a little more witty, not much but whatever! Now you are a lame duck! Which as I said goes to show us just how lonely you really are and how tired of kissing hairy Qatari ass you have become!!

  22. but sand ape thats how his bonus is calculated, but he probably holds his nose…

  23. Sand Ape, you seem even more aimlessly angry today than you usually do – did your girl/boyfriend leave you or something?

  24. Israel won’t agree to a cease fire until they find the leadership of Hamas cowering in an underground bunker and deal them some justice, if they’re smart.

  25. Abu Sa'ar says:

    “if they’re smart” – ach, if only leaders were smart :)

  26. Marie Claude says:

    Actually western EU doesn’t need the US as it produce mores richnesses with less states (ie GDP rates), but the reverse is true, as the Americans don’t produce goods anymore, and that what is left of their industry needs to be bailed out !!!! LMAO

  27. tedders @ 24,

    I think you are wrong. Broken enemy is more important to have survived that unknown (and very much hopeful) contender trying to fill power vacuum.

    There other point I would like to make, I noticed many put emphasis on prevention of weapon smuggling into Gaza.
    I do not believe it is possible to prevent or even necessary. Deterrence is the best approach. HA is believed to have great many of advanced weapons, so?

  28. I for one hope that Israel carries through with their apparent plan to round up as many Hamas leaders, supporters and arms as they can. If they can manage this with a minimum of civilian loses, and follow up with massive support for the Gaza (and West Bank) population afterwards, as well as a reasonable compromise for a two-state solution that’ll also reward Fatah for keeping a low profile through this conflict, they might stand a chance of turning the tide, IMHO…

  29. I couldn’t agree more SM. The leaders of the nations involved in this mess dont give a shit about their people, only their interests. I feel sorry for the civilians who are the biggest losers at the end of the day. Hamas are a bunch of power hungry whores who would cowardly kill their own to save themselves; undoubtedly they will take the ceasefire in the end so the crossings could be opened. I gotta say though, Mubarak handled it pretty well considering that extremists were getting on his back with mass demonstrations with our embassies being attacked everywhere. He emerged in his traditional role as the wise peacekeeper.

  30. Andrew Brehm says:

    I agree with Sandmonkey. Mubarak has outdone himself. Egypt remained calm during the conflict, lent needed support to Israel, spoke up against Arab opposition AND kept an eye on the casualties trying to end the battle quickly. Well done, Egypt.

    And I am sure Mubarak and his secret service are no idiots. They know what Israel want and they know (and probably knew for weeks before the battle) that Israel won’t accept less than that this time. Egypt is trying to make what Israel wants appear as Egypt’s compromise.

    His proposal is Hamas’ only way out without losing everything.

  31. Marie Claude;

    I wouldn’t toot the horn so loudly.

    Europe’s demographics are crashing. The birthrates have plunged dramatically, to the point where the population is in steep decline. This will result in a considerable loss of political and economic power in the long run. A society unwilling or unable to reproduce is headed for irrelevance.

  32. Oh happy birthday to tedders. Happy birthday to you!

    Just as a new Hamas will arise after you destroy this one…you cant go on killing every group that arises you scumbag.

    Hamas had very little support 2 years ago! Now half the Muslim world (thats 500, 000, 000 people BTW) support them, not including the other one billion oppressed in the world! That’s a quarter of the worlds population. Can’t say the same for Military Fort Israel can we huh?

    But you are Zionists and that is like talking to a tree that can not comprehend maths!

  33. @ Adam 33, do you really expect any different from Israel lol? They disobey and stone the UN on a daily basis so whats killing a few of its employees? Do you forget that israel is an out of control virus that must be eradicated ASAP!Oh wait a minute, your still Zionist because it is still fashionably correct, well that will change pretty soon buddy! yiou just wait and see!

  34. There there now, Sand Ape… I’m sure he/she will return and you two can kiss and make up.

  35. Avi Shlaim is the prestigious oxford university’s most senior Jewish professor and he has declared that Israel broke the cease fire first.

    Eat your heart out Biooootches!

  36. law entahet el7arb m3a el hodna di f khod 3andak, Mubarak serto b2t nafs seeret el Hussein, 3amil. OmarSuleiman ely momken yegy ra2ees le masr yawman ma, b2a mot3awen khaeyen towat’a l3 Israel 3ala hamas wel Palestinians fe Gaza!

    msh keteer ely kan m3a Mubarak fe he7akeyt el ma3bar di bs maybe eno el 7amla ele3lamiya fel dakhel 3an dowr masr w enena fat7een el ma3bar m3 el hysteria which you talked about against Egypt from the Arab countries, momken yekon el nas 7aset baeno masr mostahdafa mn el kol, but mazonsh en ashom mUbarak 3aleyt fel dakhel.

    if Israel accepted the Egyptian initiative w 7asal hodna ttaweela tany fa Hamas be kol el maqaeyes kasbana, just as what happened with hizaballah in lebanon cuz msh Hamas ely hatbny Gaza w elnas ely ahlaha matet di 3arfa eno Israel ely 2atalethom msh Hamas, so they consider Hamas a legitimate resistance and they sympathize with it 3ala tool el khat. Hamas kasabana gedan law Israel waf2et we fata7et el crossings moqabel hodna taweela, le7ad delwa2ty Hamas 2adra tedrab rockets on Israel, w betqawem moqawma sharesa on the ground and Israel 3arfa dah koweys, yeb2a feen Hamas msh 3andeha victory fel 7arb b2a! Israel 3ala el mada el qasir ma3dehash gheir el hodna le2enha 3arfa eno msh momken nasf Hamas abdan and stopping rockets needs from Israel 7arb taweela w khasera fel akher.

    Syria di b2a khaliha 3ala ganb wla liha lazma mn el bedaya, Qatar 3amalet ely heya 3awzah 2odaaam el naaaaas, PR as you said. azon en kol el khesara wel maksab en kan le masr aw Qatar 3la el tawaly fhey kanet PR bs!

    w tab3an ely msh 3aref eno nehayet el 7arb di m3 Masr w Hamas w Israel w shak fe door masr f howa msh byfham syasa aslan, ayan kan el maqef el masry aw its relationship with Hamas aw with Israel. And Still we keep watching for the next, lesa el 7arb shaghala w mafish Israeli acceptance lel initiative.

    Mubarak msh kasban kebeer wla 7aga, ya3ny zy maho w eswa2 belnesba le sorto, Israel strategically and militarily msh kesbet tab3an, political rivals kesbo akeed w law somehow.. Hamas is the winner here, and Palestinian people is the big loser here if we are talking about their daily life and their deaths.

    azon ba3d el7arb haykon fe forsa lel7ewar ben Hamas and Fatah w dah makseb tany

  37. Sand Ape @ 37,

    Avi Shlaim is the prestigious oxford university’s most senior Jewish professor and he has declared that Israel broke the cease fire first.

    I would like you to read it again then tell me what is wrong with this statement of yours (or maybe not yours).

    Olmert to Ban: Gunmen fired at IDF troops from UN Gaza compound

    http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1055761.html

  38. What gets fed to the press and what really is are probably very different things. This entire episode looks like Israel, Egypt and probably FATAH working together to damage Hamas…Hamas leadership is going to be most concerned about saving face…and will milk the deaths they caused for everything they can squeeze out of it.

    Everything will ultimately return to status quo very soon…the Pals will continue terrorist activities…Israel will react, get blamed…and then we will do the dance again…

    I have watched this unfold for decades now and see very little change in the Arab approach to the problem…mostly the violent grandiosity and the dream of destroying Israel…as if that would change one thing in their mostly miserable societies. Voices of change are snuffed out and, as I have send, in spite of their blaming, terror, boycotts, violent protests, hijacks, suicide bombings, international murders etc. Israel is bigger and stronger than ever…Pan-Arabism and nationalism warped into Islamicism and who is better off for it? The people of Afganistan, Iran, Lebanon?

    Nothing will change until the change until this lame scapegoatism is dropped and folks realize that doing more of what has consistently backfired is not likely going to work. And even if the great dream came true…and Israel was gone tomorrow…after a couple days of shooting into the air and yelling “kulululu”…their lives will be the same.

    It could have easily been so much different…

  39. Marie Claude says:
  40. Andrew Brehm says:

    “is the prestigious oxford university’s”

    Well, if he sits in Oxford in the middle of England he is certainly in the best position to judge what is going on in a completely different part of the world.

    Meanwhile the people of Sderot who took daily rocket fire not at the end but DURING the “cease-fire” can relax knowing that Hamas never broke the cease-fire and that an Oxford professor himself has said he never saw the rockets from his office.

  41. SM

    BTW…whatever happened to the big story about Israel bombing Egyptian police and children? Ha’artez rumor and then not one other word anywhere from anybody?

    Also…no word when the Jordian soldier actually did fire at Israeli’s…Syria also…and Lebanon firing rockets again…

    Hmmm…no double standard right?

    ;)

  42. Andrew Brehm @ 42,

    “Well, if he sits in Oxford in the middle of England he is certainly in the best position to judge what is going on in a completely different part of the world.”

    I was hoping Sand Ape would get it all by himself.

  43. Actually western EU doesn’t need the US as it produce mores richnesses with less states…

    A very attractive target for the Russians, no? :)

    Rich weak countries don’t tend to fair well, historically, Marie-Claude. You’ve been hiding behind the US for a long time. I would agree, the only thing you need the US for is protection. Which you have gotten. The only thing the US needs Western Europe for is political support, which we have not gotten. Is this a good bargain for America? I think not.

    Face it, noone likes you better.

    Everyone likes us better, Adam. Even Arabs do, and how much does that suck?

  44. It’s gonna be sad if the self-appointed champions of democracy are the first long-standing democracies fall.

    Note: I’m only using the word “sad” rhetorically here, European style. My tribute to European diplomacy which seems to consist entirely of presenting themselves as the better alternative to evil Americans and Jews, while at the same time pretending to be “great friends” of Americans and Jews.

  45. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231950849022&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    “The Israeli military operation against Hamas in Gaza enjoys the overwhelming support of Israeli Jews despite the loss of civilian life in the Hamas-run territory, a survey released Wednesday showed.

    A whopping 94% of the public support or strongly support the operation while 92% think it benefits Israel’s security, according to the Tel Aviv University survey.

    The poll found that 92% of Israeli Jews justify the air force’s attacks in Gaza despite the suffering of the civilian population in the Strip and the damage they cause to infrastructure.”

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3656955,00.html

    “Hamas’ interior minister, Said Siam, considered one of the most senior members of the Palestinian group’s leadership, was killed Thursday afternoon in an Israeli air strike on his brother’s home in Gaza City, the Israel Defense Forces said.

    The defense establishment said Siam’s brother Ayad and the head of Hamas’ security organization in Gaza, Salah Abu Sharah, were also killed in the strike. Hamas members confirmed that Siam and his brother were killed, but claimed that the third casualty was Siam’s son.”

    Looks to me like it’s going to be Israel, the Palestinian people and the rest of the civilized world who wins!

  46. 7amas is a tumor in the region especially for Egypt. If Egypt was dragged into this conflict due to over reacting to Israeli violation of our airspace or the stray missile on our side of the border – this could have had disastrous consequences for Egypt. While the corrupt hamas seems to benefit from its people dying and its cities flattened with airstrikes, no other nation in the region could afford this. Also opening the borders with Gaza against Israeli will would have discredited Egypt internationally and put it on the terrorist blacklist – also Egypt could have been easily infiltrated by hamas MB militants that would have wreaked havoc and turned their guns against the only country in the middleast that gave a damn about Palestinians. So a message to all those assholes out there that say Egypt wasnt doing its part to save Pali. civillians, just take a minute to think about the situation before ranting and pointing fingers at us like a bunch of ignorant, angry assholes.

  47. Hosni Mubarak might be more popular in Egypt as you claim, ill leave that up to your discretion, but the whole of Egypt has lost in the Arab world, its status is tarnished as a leader of the Arab world, everwhere I go I hear people cursing Egypt, not Hosni, as if they are any better, nevertheless if Hosni is Happy about this then more power to him.

    As for Hamas accepting the ceasefire it is not true, Hamas never did, the only source ( that you site) is discredited, Al Arabiya is so irrelevant in this war its not even funny, the same moment they announced this news, Usama Hamdan Hamas rep. in Lebanon was out on international news denying it, and they still have not accepted the Egyptian offer.

  48. I totally agree with you SM! But I disagree on using the word “popularity”.. I wouldn’t say that his popularity has risen.. but i would say that he has been getting support from a large portion of the population for the way he was handling the situation.. but those people still hate him.. and I am one of them..
    What I am trying to say that I have always agreed with Mubarak concerning foreign policy even if I disliked him concerning everything else.. so this war didn’t have any impact on the way I see him!

  49. Howie, how is it a double standard if you admit there is no attention paid to either the Egyptian soldiers injured by Israeli fire and the Jordanian soldier who supposedly fired at an Israeli (though I don’t understand how or where that happened) and didn’t even injure him?

  50. As if, anyone has answered tworsets question, why is Hamas firing rockets into Israel (Ooops, I mean at its own land) in the first place!? LOL, huh!?!

    The no. 1 rule to being a fake Jews is to break the ten commandments and turn against God by supporting Israel. i heard there is a sect there that still worships the golden calf. I didnt know that, neat!

    Number 2 is to be extremely ignorant and arrogant all the time and have every race known to mankind try to continually want exterminate you for some reason. (When brought to their attention that all of humanity can not be wrong and they, 0.0001% of the worlds population be right. just lie your way out of a paper bag!)

    Number 3, is to portray yourself as always being in the right even when your hand is in the cookie jar or claiming Holy land while bringing pedophilia under age Russian prostitutes along side tel Aviv’s gay bars!

    Are you guys seeing the irony at all here? of course not because God said he once loved you until you broke your covenant 22,000 times and decided to turn you into all out hypocrites!

    God made Lions into ferocious animals just as he made Jews to be losers. Proof is here on this blog or simply turn on your TV.

    I can’t believe i am even talking to Zionists! Its like having a debate about child care with a fucking notorious pedophile!

    Israel regularly instigates its wars because the feel that the earth is fucking theres and we are all squatters here! They attack any peaceful Arab nation that maybe building anything nuclear. preemptive strike is the name of the game. So it doesnt surprise me that Israel has admitted that it did break the cease fire by killing 6 SUSPECTED Hamas militants because it had valuable intel stating so.

    But instead, you get ass wipes saying, no it is ours. Europeans leave Europe, Arabs leave the Middle East. gGd commanded us to form a holy nation where we can openly practice homosexual relations in contrast to the 10 commandments and kill displaced gentiles who scream too loud when we evict them from their palaces! They are squatters! Its ours. Waaaaah, Waaaaah, Please kill us like has been the case everywhere place we have dwelled on this earth.

    See the irony here?

  51. Patrick…

    Oh my goodness Patrick…actually…there is no double standard…what happened with the Jordanian soldier is far worse….

    IF this incident happened in Egypt…and I have only seen the one article from Ha’artez mentioning it…nobody in their right mind would say it was deliberate. Bad…but not deliberate…

    The Jordanian soldier was TRYING to kill people…pointing and shooting. You likely don’t know about the incident of the Jordanian soldier that opened fire on a group of Israeli school children a few years back…killing I can’t remember how many…kids on a field trip…so folks in Israel are edgy about this…though there were no threats of going to war with Jordan over it…

    So the double standard…if you can call it that…nobody seems to care that a Jordanian soldier would INTENTIONALLY open fire on Israelis…yet folks like SM are ready to go to war over an unintentional, RUMORED, harm of an Egyptian.

    If you apply that standard…I guess Israel should have gone to war with Egypt over the murders in LA by an Egyptian at the LAX El Al counter…or maybe the USA should have gone to war with Egypt over that lunatic pilot that ditched purposefully ditched a plane full of innocents into the ocean off of New York…or maybe israel and the USA should have bombed Egypt over the Egyptian guy that murdered Meir Khane in New York some years back?

    So…I guess just call it utter hypocrisy…not double standard…I apologize

  52. Jews, although you are the only religion stated to be bad by all other religions for your obnoxious arrogance, at least try and make an effort and abandoned your weak ass religion that you have transgressed against anyways and there will be no more wars in the world!

  53. Marie Claude says:

    “The only thing the US needs Western Europe for is political support, which we have not gotten. ”

    aw, c’mon, you had our suport (though not for your “errors :lol: ), but not “shout” and shown like with our actual extrovert president

    well the Russians are only threatening their border former republics, which do not show their love for our werstern EU, but for the US, plus they are the ones that are dependant on the russian gaz supplies ! May-be we should raise an army to help them cut some wood !

    “the only thing you need the US for is protection.”, some, lazily, still do, but not France since 1967

  54. Sand Ape,
    “Silence! Kill you!” Wash ur mouth and come back after u r done learning to reason. Tsk.
    (mostly silent daily reader here for 4 years now, *back to read only mode*)

  55. Sand Ape while I do respect your right to free speech, I could only see a weak baseless argument. You are judging a religion: Judaisim by the actions of its people; nowhere in their Torah does it state that homosexuality is right nor does any of the monotheistic religions allow such lewd behavior. Just as its not right to judge all Muslims as non tolerant extremists based on the actions of a few murderous terrorists. Moral corruption is part of human nature, it has nothing to do with a religion. Also, not all Jews are Zionists; big difference here – although both are used interchangeably in the Arab world. Zionists are those who believe in establishing Israel because of an ancient covenant made by God to the hebrews thousands of years ago. 99% of Jews today are not related in any way to the Hebrews that have been long gone and dispersed in the local populations of the middle east since the invasion of Samaria more than 2000 years ago. Most of them are Khazarian converts from the 8th century AD that later became the Askenazi Jews whose home is Europe. Read “The Thirteenth Tribe” also visit jewsnotzionists.org and educate youself before writing such comments. I am against any kind of injustice and genocide, Yes Palestine is occupied and yes the Palestinians are suffering and for anyone to deny they would be an idiot, the Zionist occupation of this land was pre-emptive and masterminded by Theodore Herzl well before the opportunity presented itself when Arabs rebelled and dismantled the Ottoman empire aft WW I — End of history Lesson — However you must look back in history and see what the Arabs did and are still doing to their people they conquered especially those religious minorities in the middle east like the Christians in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon. Churches and monasteries are being attacked and destroyed. People are forced to convert under harsh economic conditions. Christians are being denied jobs etc. and in Sudan’s case, a genocidal civil war which has given Israel and opportunity to divde the already weak Arab world. The Arab nations road to reform and civilization starts inside by protecting thier own citizens regardless of religion or creed. . And to advance technologically by ignoring the absurd stone age fatwas of radical. The Arab nations need to also learn to work together – I mean if they cant successfully meet in a summit without fist fights and shoethrowing then its a hopeless case ;l .By doing so they will be an active part of the global economy spearheding in areas of science and economy like they once did centuries ago.

  56. “the only thing you need the US for is protection.”, some, lazily, still do, but not France since 1967

    A very “French” interpretation of reality :)

    Your geographical location gave you American protection, whether you wanted it or not. And French leaders were well aware of that fact when they decided to start asserting their “independence” from American influence.

    aw, c’mon, you had our suport (though not for your “errors :lol: ), but not “shout” and shown like with our actual extrovert president

    Gimme a break. You are older than I am. You remember the 1980s. I guess France would consider everything the US has done since about 1950 has been an error then? :P

    well the Russians are only threatening their border former republics

    The “former republics” don’t have much value to Russia. Except maybe Germany! And how about Finland? And why stop there? The Russians can make a pretty good case that they have as much right to the rest of Scandinavia as anyone (it’s pretty easy for Russians to make that kind of case, because nobody in Western Europe has the balls to argue with them)… and once they get to the North Sea (and the oil) what is next? Lets see… south and north shore of the Baltic both = Russian. North Sea = Russian. Well, there’s that damn Denmark, sticking out like a sore thumb like it always has. Right in the middle of Russian territory. That’s gotta be annexed. And you know how much trouble Russians have with understanding the concept of borders… bet they take half of France by accident. Maybe the British will jump in to help you, by that point. The British did come to the assistance of France before, in World War II. As I recall, the French surrendered and left the British holding their dicks. Hmmm… my guess is, the Brits will stay in the UK this time.

    Is that when everyone accuses the US of being selfish and isolationist? Or do we have to actually come and save your asses first, before you start in with the complaints that we should have saved you sooner?

    Any of this sound familiar, Frenchie?

    , which do not show their love for our werstern EU, but for the US, plus they are the ones that are dependant on the russian gaz supplies ! May-be we should raise an army to help them cut some wood !

  57. “the only thing you need the US for is protection.”, some, lazily, still do, but not France since 1967

    And before you start throwing links at showing how powerful the French military is, I will remind you that the French were bragging about having the largest military in Europe, the day Hitler invaded :P

    It took Hitler 15 years to build up his military in preparation for World War II. It took the Russians 1 year (with help) to answer Germany. It took the US 1 year (without help) to answer both Germany and Japan. Russia and the US can start from nothing and build an incredibly powerful war machine in a very short period of time. Can anyone else? Maybe. But nobody else ever has. Underestimating the Russians has proved very costly for people in the past. It surprises me that people still do it :o

  58. Abu Sa’ar, I think that you understand the situation very well and that you right in your assessment and predictions. I hope that it works out that decisions are made for Hamas by more rational minds.

  59. Phara3on…

    Though I disagree with you on several points…I do agree on many others…

    But geez do I respect your intelligence and great degree of objectivity. Most of the arguments I see here from “the other side” tends to be rants, name-calling and mindless cliches…

    Whoever you are…and as partially correct as you are…you are clearly more of a fair-minded and bright person as opposed to one more screaming loony…

    All respect to you dude (er or…dudette).

  60. No way, you dont get off that easy buddy! Marching in here and telling me to ga back and check history lolol !

    Pfffft…. Why dont you go back and check the lsat 50 posts or so to hear some real arguments that are neck snapping truths. But the scum sucking vermin shameless lie their way out of a paper bag!

    I wasnt trying to make any argument as of 2 days ago. My arguing days are over! I was only speaking my opinion of these terrorists who actually BELIEVE LOLOLOLOLOL ROFLMFAO that they are in the mwmahahhahah RIGHT! and not systematically inclined baby killers with a God complex LOLOL! My only intent was to insult and give credit where credit is due!

    As for LN’s comment 54 – umm WTF are you talking about with
    “Silence! Kill you!” What kinda fucking grammer is that lol?

  61. I guess you can call me the new Sherriff in town or the PUNISHER!

  62. Craig,

    We will have to save Europe eventually.
    Not for their sake, for our own.
    Saddest part is, they know it.

    PS. Russians are so much simpler to deal with. When they wanna shoot, they do not talk, they shoot. Just like us. Why can’t we get along?

  63. As for LN’s comment 54 – umm WTF are you talking about with
    “Silence! Kill you!” What kinda fucking grammer is that lol?

    Actually correct line was “Silence! I kill you!”.

  64. Hey, sheriff, what do you want on your tombstone?

  65. @56 Craig.

    The USSR fought Finland in WWII but she was a tough nut. Only lost 10% of her land and never conquered. And the USSR did not take any of Scandinavia. Things would be different now but I do not think Russia would try it – not in the same way. And if France was ever threatened to the point of losing sovereignty she would lob a few nukes around. It is what they are for.

    And I am in Australia but I do not see what you are seeing in regards to Europe and the USA. I do not see one area needing the other more than each other. Global politics is very murky and not as simple as that I think. Just saying.

  66. @61 Leo

    What would we need to save Europe from? The tension, if any, is that Europe does not want any USA help or to be saved. Europe is used to invasions and population movements over large periods of time. I think they accept that things are not static.

  67. Craig:

    “Everyone likes us better, Adam. Even Arabs do, and how much does that suck?”

    How’s that for living in a bubble?!?!?! Get real, man… :D

    ” Well, there’s that damn Denmark, sticking out like a sore thumb like it always has. Right in the middle of Russian territory. That’s gotta be annexed.”

    We’ve made it easy for them – since we haven’t got the capacity to mount a military that would mean anything aganst an actual invader, we’ve set up an answering machine that says “We surrender”… :D

    Oh Craig, you have so very little understanding of recent history, modern politics and spheres of interest… Your entire post 56 reads out like a script for US involvement in WW2, and yet you think that you’re making the case for the opposite. Oh well…

    Again, I’m happy that the people in charge in your country don’t think like you do.

    leo:

    “PS. Russians are so much simpler to deal with. When they wanna shoot, they do not talk, they shoot. Just like us. Why can’t we get along?”

    Oh, the irony of that last question…!!!!!!! :D

  68. Hey, sheriff, what do you want on your tombstone?

    I like the way you think, leo :)

    Uragon,

    The USSR fought Finland in WWII but she was a tough nut. Only lost 10% of her land and never conquered. And the USSR did not take any of Scandinavia.

    Germany sure as hell did, though. Not sure what your point is? If the USSR had wanted Scandinavia at the end of WWII they could have certainly taken it. The US would have intervened to stop them, but the US might have failed. The Soviets had us pretty badly outgunned on the ground at the end of WWII. Air power might have swung things our way, but there’s no guarantee.

    Things would be different now but I do not think Russia would try it – not in the same way.

    I was just throwing out a hypothetical :)

    And if France was ever threatened to the point of losing sovereignty she would lob a few nukes around. It is what they are for.

    I don’t believe that would happen. And, I don’t believe the Russian would either. The French don’t seem like the type of people who would rather die than lose sovereignty. That’s not exactly what they are known for, you know :)

    Britain… maybe.

    And I am in Australia but I do not see what you are seeing in regards to Europe and the USA.

    Self-explanatory answer there, no? Granted, what I’m saying here is just my opinion. But a lot of Americans share that opinion. A majority, if my friends, family, etc are any indication. I haven’t seen many Americans disputing what I say on this one, on the blogs… for what that’s worth. When that happens, I may THINK about reconsidering. Happens, sometimes.

    So, Uragon, what would you think if every time your Prime Minister went to Europe he was greeted by protesting mobs in the thousands or tens of thousands? And no, I’m not even talking about Bush :)

    I do not see one area needing the other more than each other. Global politics is very murky and not as simple as that I think. Just saying.

    I don’t believe in Global Politics. Maybe that’s the problem :)

  69. Again, I’m happy that the people in charge in your country don’t think like you do.

    Adam, you have no idea how they think. They are Americans. You’re not. What’s more, you make a conscious decision to TRY not to understand how Americans think, even when they tell you on blogs. So just bury your head in your assumptions, and maybe you’ll get a chance to live happily ever after :)

    How’s that for living in a bubble?!?!?! Get real, man… :D

    A guy who lives in a country that has half the population of the city I live in, tells me to stop living in a bubble? :o

  70. Craig, they’re obviously not thinking like you – if they we’re, the world would look so much different than it does… I don’t have to understand the american psyche to make that observation. What I see here is ONE american trying to explain to me that ALL americans think like him – that in itself is pretty lame, even disregarding that the state of things show him to be wrong…

    “A guy who lives in a country that has half the population of the city I live in, tells me to stop living in a bubble?”

    That sentence makes so little sense it’s baffling… What on earth does living in a small country have to do with understanding how the world works? If anything, it makes us MORE keen on what’s going on around us, since it’s hard to get all isolationalist with a population of under 6 million.

    My, oh my… :)

  71. “I don’t believe in Global Politics. Maybe that’s the problem”

    Mhmm…. could be.

  72. Craig, they’re obviously not thinking like you – if they we’re, the world would look so much different than it does…

    Actually, Adam, they are obviously not thinking like YOU. If they were, you guys over there in Europe wouldn’t spend so much time protesting them, would you? :P

    Do you think Reagan was on the same page as Europe? Say “yes”, I dare ya!

    That sentence makes so little sense it’s baffling… What on earth does living in a small country have to do with understanding how the world works?

    Gee, Adam, I don’t know! If I spent my whole career working at a small family run business, would I be an expert on the way multi-national corporations work? Sure, I might pretend to be one… I might even read up on the subject… but would my real life experience bear that out? Or would I just be talking out of my ass?

    If anything, it makes us MORE keen on what’s going on around us, since it’s hard to get all isolationalist with a population of under 6 million.

    That may be true of Israel and Lebanon, and some other small countries. Their very survival depends on political maneuvering. Can’t be said of Denmark. You are free to stick your head in the clouds and pretend you live in a land of milk and honey, because… you kinda do. Except for all the snow and shit.

  73. most of the commenters here seem to need frontal lobotomies. G

  74. ” If they were, you guys over there in Europe wouldn’t spend so much time protesting them, would you?”

    I’ll give you that one! :D

    But I will point out that I’m not personally protesting them, so… ;) As I have explained before, although many europeans DO believe that the US should try to hone it’s skills at the art of diplomacy and not be so rash in it’s foreign policy, most of the people you see demonstrating in the streets are of a, shall we say, particular social class, for lack of a better word. For every person that hates america’s guts, there’s one that loves you. These people are just too busy with getting on with their lives, their jobs, their families, etc. to go out and wave banners all day. The opposite is obviously true for many of the ones demonstrating in the street over every little thing they don’t agree with.

    Reagan? Well, for one we all know that his advisors had as much to say as he hmself did during his presidancy. The world was (or seemed, due to one overwhelming threat) a much more black-and-white place in the 80′s. People were fearfull of the gung ho attitude of the US (as you yourself point out, the Soviet Union was right in our backyard) and on top of that, the 60′s and 70′s socialism was still standing strong in many peoples’ hearts and minds. Greenpeace and other anti-nuclear organizations had a huge backing, and then you have this US president that just keeps pumping out new missiles every day – the reaction was predictable. I for one am glad that the US had the balls to go ahead and churn out those missiles, forcing the Soviet into bankruptcy trying to keep up. Again, my opinion was probably shared by more than you think – we’re just the silent majority making the wheels of society turn.

    “Gee, Adam, I don’t know! If I spent my whole career working at a small family run business, would I be an expert on the way multi-national corporations work? Sure, I might pretend to be one… I might even read up on the subject… but would my real life experience bear that out? Or would I just be talking out of my ass?”

    Terrible analogy… What wee have here are two people – one living in a small country, where you constantly have to deal with people of different nationality, and one living in a huge country, where it’s easy to get by just dealing with your own countrymen. The avergae US citizen has much less contact with foreigners than the average dane.

    To twist your analogy; a guy working in a small firm would be much more likely to have to deal with people outside that firm on a daily basis and having to adjust to the present situation than one working in a huge company.

    “Can’t be said of Denmark. You are free to stick your head in the clouds and pretend you live in a land of milk and honey”

    Why do you think we DO live in a land of milk and honey, as you put it? It’s precisely because we’re aware of what is going on in the world around us. Same could be said for the Netherlands – we’re both small (ex)seafaring nations thriving on doing business with everyone and anyone. It’s exactly our awareness of what’s going on around us that has allowed us to build the societies we have today…

  75. Terrible analogy…

    It was a great analogy! That’s why you disliked it so much :P

    Why do you think we DO live in a land of milk and honey, as you put it? It’s precisely because we’re aware of what is going on in the world around us.

    Or, it’s because the US has kept you safe for the last 60 years. Despite your objections.

    What you said about Reagan looked like a lot of European blah blah blah aka diplomacy. I was looking for a yes or no answer. We Americans are like that. Especially when we are named George Bush, which I’m not, but I still like to keep it simple. The differences between Reagan’s world view and Europe’s world view were quite stark, and if you can’t get honest about even him, then there’s no point in talking about whether or not other American leaders have been as close to European outlooks as you suggest.

    Prolly won’t get a chance to make it back here tonight, but hopefully tomorrow some time.

  76. “It was a great analogy! That’s why you disliked it so much ”

    Heh heh… but I still maintain that’s it’s wrong. ;)

    “Or, it’s because the US has kept you safe for the last 60 years. Despite your objections.”

    As far as the Soviet Union goes, I agree. That’s pretty much it though…

    “I was looking for a yes or no answer.”

    You can’t have it – there is no such answer. The world just ain’t black and white; it wasn’t even back in the 80′s when it looked that way. Europeans have mixed emotions about americans, no matter who you ask.

    “whether or not other American leaders have been as close to European outlooks as you suggest.”

    Reagans legacy is his uncompromising stance against Soviet Russia and the resultant acceleration of the arms race – that’s practically all he accomplished as a president, that’s even remotely noteworthy. You’re focusing exclusively on America’s role as a military deterent, whereas I’m trying to discuss peoples’ view of America’s place in the world as a whole.

  77. the amir from qatar needs to stop give speechs, and go back to hitting the fridge! he should leave diplomacy to jimmy and his dad!

  78. the amir from qatar needs to stop give speechs, and go back to hitting the fridge! he should leave diplomacy to jimmy and his dad!

  79. “I guess you can call me ….. the PUNISHER!”

    OMG, he’s an anal plug!

  80. quick idf scramble jets to qatar and help us all in the region! whene will you ever have al bashir, assad and mashal UNDER ONE ROOF!

  81. its like the mafia commission getting together in upstate ny.

  82. Adam B

    I always did wonder why Europeans had so much time for demonstrations. I chalked it up to higher unemployment – heh.

    As for American foreign policy, I recall a European relative of mine asking (back in the 1990s) when the Americans were going to do something about Bosnia.

    There’s a bit of self-serving selectiveness there … :-)

  83. Markus –the whole of Egypt lost in the Arab world? I don’t think so. Hamas, Syria and Iran just got together at Doha and rejected the Egyptian truce proposal –but leaders of 9 other Arab countries, besides Egypt (making the 10th) boycotted the meeting. Egypt has played her cards right in this from the beginning.

    The Egyptian truce proposal includes making sure that Hamas cannot re-arm and that the borders will remain closed until the steps are in place to make sure Hamas cannot re-arm. Livni is leaving today to the U.S. to craft exactly how those safeguards will be put in place. I think Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the Palestinian Authority. and a number of other ME countries are in firm agreement as to what needs to take place.

  84. Yes, that’s the ticket. Put a whole bunch of middle-eastern, Muslim despots in the same room and just watch the peace break out!

    They will band together in their common humanity and tolerance and forge a pact that will provide an umbrella of safety for the Jews! Yay! OH LOOK! I just saw a unicorn!

    I have a question of Egyptian law for the Sand Monkey. Do you have to carry identification at all times by law?
    Does your identification indicate your religion?
    What are the Egyptian laws about apostasy?
    Are you allowed to convert from Islam, legally? How about as a matter of practicality?

    Can anyone else comment about the above questions?

  85. Xylo:

    Lol! :) I can’t really speak for your friend, but I can assure you that he didn’t represent the vocal minority…! :D

  86. Just saw a piece in the news about a peaceful demonstration in Hebron, with the governor leading… Why can’t we see more of that sort in the ME?

  87. Lol! :) I can’t really speak for your friend, but I can assure you that he didn’t represent the vocal minority…! :D

    Really, Adam? Were you watching CNN back then, by any chance? Europeans were putting a great deal of pressure on Bush Senior to do something. That was pretty early on… at the stage when Europeans should have been handling it, themselves. In my opinion.

  88. CNN is american…

    You’re right, though – Europe SHOULD have handled it.

    Or better still, the situation should never have arisen – a total disgrace!

  89. “CNN is american…”

    I suppose technically you’re right, but ideologically it’s very far from being American.

  90. Ok, don’t bother. I just Googled ‘apostasy and egypt’ .

  91. ted:

    Lol! You’ve got a point! :D Then again, I watched CNN when I visited Florida last year, and it looked nothing like the CNN we see in Europe… Mostly state news with a few nationwide news thrown in – nothing ar all in a whole week from outside your borders! Is that how CNN works all over the US? Local and national news only?

  92. “CNN is american…”

    AS THE DEATH PENALTY, NASCAR, JEFFERY DAHMER AND A GOOD OLE SOUTHERN LYNCHING!

  93. I’m not sure Adam, it’s always on at the airports when we travel, that’s the only time I watch it. We were in Spain a few weeks ago but that was when the Mumbai attacks were ongoing and that was all that was on any of the news channels. I’m sure you’re right that the European CNN is targeted to that audience and that same for the American versions, I’ll bet the east coast vs west coast vs middle American versions differ.

    We’re off to New York City for a weekend get away, you, craig and Twos hold down the fort while I’m away!! LOL Everyone have a great weekend, even Sand Ape!!

  94. Of course CNN targets every one of its demographic markets. And if you want to watch the Democratic propaganda arm CNN is a good place to do it.

  95. Tedders, there is a reason why CNN is on those convenient Airport TV screens……can you guess the reason? (Hint: The US is a capitalist country)

    Still no idea? The Airports SELL the screen time to CNN!!!

    Are you seriously suggesting that the Airport people who sell you shitty coffee and stale pastries at inflated prices are letting you watch TV for FREE? CNN pays for a captive audience these days, as the average time spent in an airport has effectively quadrupled since 9/11.

  96. This just in!

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/ (You may have to scroll down)

    Iranian Leaders express love for fellow Muslims who attend Arab Gaza summit…….

    Like I said, what could go wrong?

  97. The old CNN died about 10 years ago. The new CNN is trying to be more “American” and more mainstream, but at the same time it has split into several different channels. There used to be only one CNN (I think that was actually one of their marketing sound bytes :D ).

    I haven’t watched it regularly since the late 1990s, so I’m not really sure what the coverage is like now.

    Anyway, to get back to CNN and Bosnia, are you claiming Christiane Amanpour was cherry-picking the European diplomats and national leaders she was interviewing, Adam? And only talking to the ones who expected the US to come riding in to the rescue? That could be, but the overall effect was a solid wall of… expectation.

  98. And, no, Adam, I don’t sit here watching Fox News every night :P

    I liked Fox News a lot in the late 1990s, they were a welcome alternative to CNN. But ever since 9/11 they’ve been drifting a too far into political advocacy for my taste. I watch mostly local Los Angeles news channels now… and I read the BBC – to find out what’s REALLY going on :D

    That’s why I generally say “British bastards” now instead of just saying “British”. Fuckers.

  99. Yeah… it’ll be over until Hamas decides the hudna is over, and they begin lobbing rockets into Israel. I give it a week, at most.

  100. The most serious CONDITION on this Earth which needs everyone’s compassion, and attention, which is far worse than AIDS, Cancer or famine. Is to do something about the moral depravity of the vast majority of Jews in the world! Now I too thought that giving them a homeland would be the right thing to do, but they have proven that they are not even content when they have that. Never mind the U.N. fact that 2/3 of it is stolen and ethnically cleansed! Seriously, this is an age old problem that dates back to forever! What are we going to do about the Jews (a fraction of 1% of this worlds) but they are total shit disturbers and have a propensity for faking their religion which starts wars. How can you practise tolerance towards such a detrimental species? The even greater problem that faces us, what are we going to do about the 35% of Jews that are not ASSHOLES and don’t support Israel , but are actually very kind and well to do God fearing people! It is no easy task!

    OK, now back to the finger pointing, ethnic cleansing, anti Semite calling, world domination, arguing trip :) !

  101. Seems pointless to accuse you of things that are obvious to everyone, Sand Ape.

    (I only replied because I started feeling sorry for you, sitting there clicking the “refresh” button)

  102. :) right on que Craig!

  103. Baboo @ 98: Yeah… it’ll be over until Hamas decides the hudna is over, and they begin lobbing rockets into Israel. I give it a week, at most.

    It may sound foolish at the moment but I believe Hamas are goners already. They’ll be finished off by Palestinians within a year or so if not sooner.

  104. I miss eee :-)

  105. Informative comments about CNN everyone… Craig, you say you mainly watch local LA news channels – I suppose these feature a healthy dose of international news as well as the obvious local and nationwide pieces? Do you guys have any ntional alternatives to CNN and Fox?

    “…and only talking to the ones who expected the US to come riding in to the rescue?”

    Well, isn’t that what you’re generally accusing her of all the time? Twisting stories her way? ;) But to be honest, I don’t really recall any european diplomats and ministers demanding US action up to the Bosnia conflict. Could be that hey did, although that would be pretty much out of character…

    I googled around and found this, though…
    http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/62/021.html
    ;)

    The main problem with european military action is that our troops are divided; we have plenty of military machinery and soldiers, but they’re seperated into different countries and the EU has no military coalition agreement, so for all practical purposes we’ll only function together under the NATO umbrella, ie with US leadership. This doens’t necessarily mean that europeans are avert to sending troops on military actions around the globe – it just means that it needes NATO, and therefore the US, to be the catalyst. An example would be my own country; we have a squadron of 70 F16′s, a handfull of patrol ships and top-notch special forces, as well as a modest number of professional ground forces earmarked for international assignments. All have been in use in Iraq, afghanistan, etc. from the 90′s onward. Particularly in Afghanistan, where Denmark has been stationed in the notorious Helmand province since the start of the war, and as a consequence have lost more soldiers proportionately than any other nation.

    leo: Oh, if only it was so…! In this case, I’m a pessimist – I doubt that the palestinians will have the wits or wherewithal to get rid of them, even if they’re severely weakened by the present conflict…

  106. Craig, you say you mainly watch local LA news channels – I suppose these feature a healthy dose of international news as well as the obvious local and nationwide pieces?

    Hell no, they don’t! It’s mostly stories about local celebrities and politicians, crime reporting, etc. But you have to remember, the Greater Los Angeles area is ~13 million people. There’s a LOT of local news for them to cover. Usually there’s a sprinkling of California(State) news, and maybe a quick blurb or two about national stories. You know what, though? That’s pretty cool, because they talk about stuff that actually matters to me in a non-abstract way.

    Do you guys have any ntional alternatives to CNN and Fox?

    There’s MSNC, for the retarded folks. There are also the “old” Network News channels. We’ve had national news on the major networks since… the 1950s, I guess? Since long before I was born, anyway. You never heard of Walter Kronkite? Dan Rather?

    PS-Nice reputable link you threw up there:

    With the dismemberment of Yugoslavia already begun under pressure from U.S. and Western European imperialist interests, Bosnia’s future became a central issue.

  107. NATO forces will have the “right” to order anyone, anywhere within Bosnia to do whatever any NATO commander orders–or face military sanction. It will be a complete military dictatorship.

    That’s actually pretty good material! I think I may print it out :D

  108. The news:

    “That’s pretty cool, because they talk about stuff that actually matters to me in a non-abstract way.”

    Fair enough, but it does sort of limit one’s perspective on a global level. For me, living in a small, relatively peacefull country like I do tend to mean that the local news get a bit, well… boring, if you know what I mean. We’ve got a concept called the “duck pond”, meaning that local problems are usually blown out of proportion… local danish news are usually like that. ;)

    The link: Yeah, thought you might like it…! :D

  109. Twosret — HUG, hi sweetie, it is good to see you!

  110. Fair enough, but it does sort of limit one’s perspective on a global level.

    Implication being, there’s something wrong with that? lol.

    The world would be a better place if more people minded their own business! In my opinion.

  111. Nothing will change in the Middle East until ALL the Arab countries stop the incitement against all the “sons of monkeys and pigs”. ( which includes jews as well as christians, etc, etc).
    The language has also to change and go from “resistance” to COEXISTANCE.

  112. The middle east will be the catalyst for the end of the world. Do you think…or I mean…how do you think that Israels blamelessly taking a nations land away from another people will play in too this Armageddon scenario?

    No Israel means no Armageddon, SIMPLE!

  113. No Israel means no Armageddon, SIMPLE!

    You’ve never read the Bible, have you? All that is required for Armageddon is the presence of Jews in the middle-east, the existence of Mount Zion, the existence of Tel Megiddo (root word for “Armageddon”) and the existence of the Second Temple of Solomon, aka “Temple of God”. Two of those 4 are geographical landmarks, and so they can’t really cease to be there. The references to the Temple of God are not time specific, so it can easily be argued that the Temple has *already* been transported to Heaven (this may have been fulfilled when the Romans destroyed it, almost 2000 years ago, in fact) – but the Dome of the Rock is located at the exact same spot, so that can also be considered the Temple of God, eh? :P

    The only one that’s in flux is the presence of Jews in the Middle East. Existence of a State of Israel is irrelevant. Actually, the existence of Jews in the middle-east is irrelevant. When the sons of the 12 tribes are called, it is never stated that they are amongst the living.

    So… sorry… there aren’t any specific conditions that have to be met for Armageddon to happen. Good effort, though. I give you a D+.

  114. I bet C- would raise his spirit much higher than D+ does.

  115. Oh My Goodness Yaeli :-) how are you girl? how is your daughter and your family? hope all is well with you! I am so sorry haven’t been in touch, haven’t been blogging much lately. How is your blogging life going?

    I will visit soon :-) hugs and kisses too from us here!

  116. Oh you totally convinced me with your ramble!

    The Jewish occupation that kills the innocents is predicted in the bible. Add a pinch of the Nuclear plant of Demona, stolen land, genocide in recent memory to further distress the trigger happy Jews with a God complex. Equals the beginning of the end of the world! Don’t let your anger and distress make you into more of a hypocrite — arguing with inferior Arabs — than you have already have become!

  117. “The middle east will be the catalyst for the end of the world.”

    And, perhaps a new and better beginning? Oh, my, my, my, what would happen if, scared by Iran and its endless attempts at expansion through terrorism, the rest of the Arab and Muslim nations decided to behave in a pragmatic fashion and give up the endless war that Iran has been selling through its surrogates, Hezbollah and Hamas?

    What if cowardice, desperation, and sheer boredom with the prospect of eternal war, resulted in a decision to quit killing their neighbors. All that beautiful oil money, freed up to build real schools, roads, houses, mosques, oh, — even a few churches and synagogues. There would be trade with all those evil Juice, money again, and water technology. Oh, yeah, and visitors. Those vile Americans and Europeans might come back and spend their money on your wonderful coffee, food and visits to your historic places, and look like rubes when they state, awestruck by your national treasures.

    Never mind. It couldn’t really happen.

  118. Yes Valerie it won’t happen as long as people are under seige and with no water and electricity. It won’t happen as long as people like you blame one side only and blinded by bias.

  119. leo,

    “I bet C- would raise his spirit much higher than D+ does.”

    I suspected before you are a guy now I am sure you are :-)

  120. 110

    Diana,

    Would like to see your reaction to that and see you coexist when you are family is killed and your house and land taken from you and thrown in refugee camps.

    What a bunch of crap!

  121. @ Twosrets comment 117 to Valerie & 110 to Diana. Let me tell it to you like a real yahoodi, ‘khanzira’ or ‘ird’ would.

    You are simply mistaken Twosret, the Palestinians have their water, they are not targeted or killed every day lol. It is all propaganda. It is all lies. The 500 kids killed in Gaza this round was a misfortunate mistake and so were the 5000 before that in each inifada.

    Why can’t you practice tolerance to us Jews, your masters? Why wont you let us violently evict you from your land? Why wont you go to Uganda, Jordan or Egypt like 3/4 of your population already has?

    Arent you afraid of our bombs, do you want to be killed sticking around?

    Why don’t you disarm kkkkhhhamas and kkkhhhezbollah before you accuse us of being naughty!

    Israel is a beautiful fair uncorrupted democracy that treats Arabs better than jews. Do you wanna make a bet who will win this debate? You do know don’t you, that it comes down to who can stay deaf and dumb the longest and can twist the truth more skillfully don’t you. I am Israeli, uhmm, do you really want to exert that effort in Vain?

    Please DO NOT take my comment as being sarcastic. I am serious about everything I say to you. We Israeli’s love peace and cherish all human life!

  122. Haaaa nemty wala lessa..?

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ !!!!!

  123. Twosret @ 118,

    I suspected before you are a guy now I am sure you are

    I never tried to make a secret of it.

  124. I suspected before you are a guy now I am sure you are

    You still haven’t learned how to use Google, Twosret? Funy, you don’t seem to have much trouble finding propaganda on the internet :o

    http://www.behindthename.com/name/leo

  125. Would like to see your reaction to that and see you coexist when you are family is killed and your house and land taken from you and thrown in refugee camps.

    Are you admitting now, for the record, that you have no desire for peace between Palestinians and Israel? Because, it sure looks that way.

  126. Leo,

    That was a joke that went over your head :-)

  127. hamooot men el dehk mosh nemt lol

  128. Twosret @ 125,

    That was a joke that went over your head

    That much I admit. Even your use of smiley face did not help.

    So, what was the joke?

  129. Aey khedma! – :)

  130. twosret:

    I will repeat myself COEXISTENCE rather resistence. There is an old saying that you get more flies with honey……….

    Nobody has yet to address the issue of constant incitement after prayers, etc.,etc., on ALL the Arab states…………………..

    The fact is that the Palestinian people are used and abused as iranian proxies. The fact is that Arab MP’s are not send to jail for disagreeing with the Israeli gov. The fact is that Israel has a loyal druze population, do you wonder why?
    And I can go on and on

  131. diana, here is a temporary prescription of Clonazepam, to help take the edge off of your Iranian conspiracy theories that should help you realize that no amount of bombs can kill a peoples ‘Will’ to live free! Your precious Hezbollah and Hamas are mere resistance movements to an illegal occupation. You can’t bully the truth away. You guys wouldn’t settle for Uganda instead of the land of the Philistiniates. So why would the Philistiniates whom have lived there unabated for thousands of year’s!

    Please don’t resist our rockets or whatever else may come in the future until you get off of our land. i mean that is your advice isnt it, if you want to coexist?

  132. sand ape: “please don’t resist………….” We also have lived unabated for thousands of years in the Land of our forefathers: Israel. We count more than 5000 years by the Hebrew calendar…….. It is our land also.
    Neither do I want to be rocketed or to rocket.
    Thus, I will repeat COEXISTENCE.
    Hezbollah is either a resistance movement, and live with the destruction that THEY INFLICTED on the Lebaneses caused by the latest war or it is a political party within Lebanon and has to abide by the law of Lebanon.
    You don’t believe that Iran is behind Hamas, so be it.
    Hamas is a “resistance” and will continue destroying the Palestinian people while the leaders hide in bunkers or becomes a political party that starts negotiating with Fatah and Israel.
    Uganda was never our land. Israel was and will always be. Jerusalem is mentioned time and again in our Torah, which is older thant the Koran. Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Koran.
    And so on and so on………………..
    The truth is that as long as most of the Arab countries continue their incitement against non-Muslims by calling them “sons of pigs and monkeys…..”etc., etc. nothing will change.
    …..and the inmediate loosers are going to be the Palestinian people
    And when you or anybody talks about the Palestinian refugees, don’t forget the Jewish refugees expelled from the Arab countries……….
    COEXISTENCE NOT resistance.

  133. You are simply misinformed and wrong!

    yes you were the first GF to your first BF, now that you both have moved on, would you like to steal him from his wife and kids simply because you claim he is yours and you have some ancient sort of history?

    I say let bygones be bygones and share the land as you dictated. The one thing that Israel has not tried, is to actually remove it self back the 67 borders!

    Plus again you are wrong to say : “Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Koran.”

    sorry but you are severely misinformed and and ultimate;y too biased like a spoiled child wanting his toy, to be able to even display a modicum of objectivity!

  134. Sand Ape, how come you keep assuming that no jews (or christians for that matter) have lived in Israel/Palestine for the last couple of thousand years? They have, face it… And since the area has been the common homeland of both arabs, jews and christians, where do you come to the conclusion that the land rightfully belongs to the arabs?

    “I say let bygones be bygones and share the land as you dictated. The one thing that Israel has not tried, is to actually remove it self back the 67 borders!”

    If it weren’t for the fact that you completely contradict your first sentence in most of your other posts, I’d say right on!

    As for the second sentence, it’s too much of a risk as long as arabs are shooting rockets at them, threatening their total destruction. Lay off on the attacks and threats and see if Israel won’t comply…

  135. Yes all 3 religions did infact live their in peace before the Zionist invasion and yes it should be shared, demographics and control shouldn’t be forcibly taken over by either religion, as is the case with Israel.

    I don’t know what looks funnier, half naked girls running around near the holliest of sites on earth to all 3 major religions. or the debating of a Dane like your self on a conflict that is so bitter and couldn’t possibly even involve him in the first place.

  136. “Yes all 3 religions did infact live their in peace before the Zionist invasion and yes it should be shared,”

    Great, then why do you support an arab Palestine but not a jewish Israel? And how about the christians? Don’t they get anything…?

  137. OMG, are you really……never mind, no comment!

  138. Jesus!

    just in case you really are retarded, because:

    “demographics and control shouldn’t be forcibly taken over by either religion, as is the case with Israel.”

  139. … but you don’t mind when Palestine does the same, only much more so in so far as they intend on killing ALL the jews?

  140. Say’s who….?

    Says who Adam?

    Say’s who?

  141. Says who? Says you…

  142. then nanny nanny boo boo