Chutzpa

After freezing (notice that word. freezing) their diplomatic relations with Israel, Qatar and Muritania, not to mention the rest of the Arab league summit members (who now include the arab nations of Iran, Turkey and the terrorist organization resistance movement called Hamas emirate of Ghaza), are demanding that Egypt cuts its diplomatic relations with Israel. They are freezing, not cutting, but are demanding that we cut, or else we are traitors. Chutzpa, defined!

Can we get out of the Arab League already? I vote we move it, with its building and diplomats to Doha, and get it over with. They can have all the summits they want (you gotta excuse them, there is really nothing to do there), and we can not go to any of them.

Comments

  1. Mubarak is one of the most political savvy Arabs in the world after Amr Moussa, whom he prompted out of Egypt for fear that he had popularity to take over the presidency — Mubarak wouldn’t make a faux pas like that. he already condemned the summit and the petty requests by Syria’s Assad! Winning him more brownie points with the west through his support for Israel, even more than you Sandmonkey! :)

  2. SM, it just gets more and more crazy, doesn’t it?

  3. i second that, SM.. they’re taking up lotsa space (and a hell of a location!) that can be put to better use :D

  4. e. weisbord says:

    How about a twofer…they can move the UN to Doha as well.
    SM…5 stars on the use of chutzpah!

  5. The Arab League has as much power and relevance as the French Union.

    “Who?” you ask.

    Exactly.

  6. I admire how mubarak has injected life into the ‘family business’ every father should admire what hosney has done for jimmy, he’s leaving him a prosperous family business———don’t fuck it up jimbo!

  7. Its funny how two faced hypocritical bastards like Qatar and the Arab Gulf states have the nerve to call us traitors. Take for instance the Qatari bastards, they have the largest US base in the middleeast, the Saudi monarchy gives the US head to protect them against their people, Syria is dying to make peace with Israel since 2000 so it could have the Golan back and the Iranian and Turkish fucks arent even Arab – Turkey signed a MUTUAL MILLITARY ALLIANCE with Israel and sent troops to help Israel in every Arab-Israeli war there was. Iran thinks that Arabs arent nothing more than a bunch of stupid barbarian pawns that they can throw in front of Israeli guns. I say we ignore the good for nothing bullshit Arab Summit and move on, clearly every country really cares about its own interests, which is fine as long as they shut the fuck up.

  8. Freeze…..cut …..you are commenting about what a reporter put down in the paper, which was then fact checked by numerous people.

    It is a pointless exercise.

  9. Camp David accord with a twist

  10. Phara3on, sadly Quatar & GCCs are nt the only two faced hypoctiticals as revealed by this latest episode in Gaza, of course the US tops the list along w the EU–I will puke if I ever hear another US or EU official talking about human rights, humanitarian law, etc
    As for Turkey, where did u read that its army was ever deployed in support of Israel in its wars?!

  11. Anon, I agree—there is plenty of hypocrisy. I don’t think that the Turks ever helped Israel directly (militarily) , did they?

  12. Quatar & GCCs are nt the only two faced hypoctiticals

    I will puke if I ever hear another US or EU official talking about human rights, humanitarian law, etc

    Because, you were such a big believer in those things, before, right? :D

    Did you remember to add your own name to the “two faced hypocrites” list?

  13. Because, you were such a big believer in those things, before, right? :D

    I’ll offer a clarification on that. People who only care about their own human rights, and not the human rights of… others… are not believers in humanist philosophy. The whole point is that human rights are for EVERYONE, Universally. By virtue of them being human beings. To only whine and complain about human rights when members of the group you identify with are victims is nothing more than self-serving opportunism.

  14. @ Craig & wt makes u think I only feel for that group that “I identify with”?!! Dnt assume things about me since u dnt knw me. Im nt sure wt u mean by “those things” in ur “Because, you were such a big believer in those things, before, right?”.
    I believe in liberty & equality for all. I said that bec this round the position of the US & EU is clear, no nice words to blurr things up. While my country wasnt the one being bombed during the past weeks Im wiling to bet u that if it was the one being bombed/invaded it wouldnt matter much to the US or the EU, there is always a way to justify attacking one of those coutnries right. Those ppl u just described seem to be a whole bunch of politicians and a whole bunch of EU & US citizens who still think its ok for their countries to blindly support Israel. Those same ppl who are sitting comfortably in their homes so far away from our region, who know nothing about us except for the crap shown on the news & who chose to forget that thanks to decisions made by their own countries over many yrs this region has been suffering & that unless there are new basis for relations bet us 7 the West and fair peace deal & repect of the rights of the citizens of the region there will never be real development.

  15. @ Craig & wt makes u think I only feel for that group that “I identify with”?!! Dnt assume things about me since u dnt knw me.

    I know you speak SMS. That’s enough for me to make certain assumptions about you, right there :P

    I believe in liberty & equality for all.

    That’s nice. You read the US declaration of independence, eh?

    http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

    Point out for me which of those are fully respected in Arab countries, if you’d be so kind.

    I said that bec this round the position of the US & EU is clear, no nice words to blurr things up.

    Well, the fact that you think the US and the EU have the same position on this (or anything else, really) is a bit of a “tell” too.

    While my country wasnt the one being bombed during the past weeks Im wiling to bet u that if it was the one being bombed/invaded it wouldnt matter much to the US or the EU, there is always a way to justify attacking one of those coutnries right.

    So, I was right after all with my initial assertion. You only care about the rights of groups you identify with. You don’t care about the rights of Americans, Israelis, or Europeans. Americans, Israelis, and Europeans are supposed to just accept it when their rights, including their right to LIVE, are violated. Correct? So when Hamas was sending in suicide bombers to mass murder Israeli civilians, including women and children (children are often targeted specifically) that was because Palestinians had “no choice”. But when Israel fights back, it is a human rights violation.

    Those ppl u just described seem to be a whole bunch of politicians and a whole bunch of EU & US citizens who still think its ok for their countries to blindly support Israel.

    The EU does not support Israel. Dude…

    Those same ppl who are sitting comfortably in their homes so far away from our region…

    And how do you think I knew you were from that region, anon? Just curious.

    who know nothing about us except for the crap shown on the news &

    So, it is my fault that when I was an 8 year old watching the Olympics, Palestinian terrorists murdered Israeli athletes? It is my fault when I was 9 years old, that the Arabs imposed an oil embargo that still reverberates to this day? And so forth? I should just not watch the news (or the Olympics) so that I won’t have to see what Palestinians and other Arabs do?

    who chose to forget that thanks to decisions made by their own countries over many yrs this region has been suffering…

    It seems to me that your region is suffering because of decisions YOUR leaders made, and continue to make. Or do you really believe there is a conspiracy to keep Arabs down? lol. Many regions of the world started with a lot less than what Arabs did, and went a lot further, in the same amount of time. Why didn’t the US (and the EU) keep them down in the dirt too? Is it only Arabs that we hate so much, in your opinion?

    that unless there are new basis for relations bet us 7 the West and fair peace deal & repect of the rights of the citizens of the region there will never be real development.

    Again, if you want to find the biggest abusers of Arab rights, I suggest you look to Arabs. If you fight for your rights, we will support you in that. But if you want to be lead around by the nose like a bunch of sheep, and commit atrocious acts of violence against others just because your tyrannical leaders encourage you to do so, don’t expect us to sing your praises. And don’t blame us for what Arabs do to Arabs. That doesn’t sit well. It isn’t our job to secure rights for you that you aren’t even willing to fight for yourselves.

    Final question… do you think Islam is compatible with human rights? Because, it seems Islamism is the future in the ME, and if that’s the case, then you will not be having anything remotely like human rights, any time soon. And there isn’t anything the US, the EU, or the UN can do about that.

  16. I gotta hand it 2 u man but Craig is right. Arabs are thier own worst enemy in terms of abuse, corruption and shit that they do to themselves. While I think what israel is doing is terrible, its a lot less worse than wat ur leaders are doing to you. But you dont mind cause you live by the principle of: Me and my brother against my cousin, me and my cousin against the other.

  17. I would recommend u watch this video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Qh0NXjgbk&feature=channel_page
    To sum up, this is Yasser Abd Rabo, a guy from Fatah.. he actually asked a very clever question.. He said “Egypt and Jordan have relations with Israel because this was the price they paid to get their land back.. but why does Qatar has relations with Israel in the first place????

  18. 16. Anon:

    “EU & US citizens who still think its ok for their countries to blindly support Israel”

    I can assure you there’s is nothing blindly about the support we show to Israel – it’s bought with blood, sweat and tears, so rest assured it’s been thought about long and hard.

    “…who know nothing about us except for the crap shown on the news”

    I’ve lived in the region for 4 years; trust me – our news are extremely flattering!!!

    Sorry, I’m feeling a bit feisty today, but you’re accusing the west of being ill informed and acting without forethought? Try looking at the log in your own eye before you comment on the splinter in ours…!

  19. “Again, if you want to find the biggest abusers of Arab rights, I suggest you look to Arabs. If you fight for your rights, we will support you in that. But if you want to be lead around by the nose like a bunch of sheep, and commit atrocious acts of violence against others just because your tyrannical leaders encourage you to do so, don’t expect us to sing your praises. And don’t blame us for what Arabs do to Arabs. That doesn’t sit well. It isn’t our job to secure rights for you that you aren’t even willing to fight for yourselves.”

    Hear hear!

  20. You know despite political views, I think Tahrir square will be less polluted and noisy, sounds cool. I agree

  21. Anon

    The Arab Human Development Report (written by Arabs for Arabs) concludes that most of the regions problems have internal causes.

    THe Palestinians are rife with corruption, thievery, bad governance, and continually choose the worse course of action with their dealings with Isreal. The Arabs should ask themselves – are these self destructive people worth their blind support?

  22. Well first of all im nt a “dude” & Ill write in which ever way that pleases me & I dnt think that my writing is the point here. (actually I write fast bec unlike u most of us have something else to do w our lives that just sitting and posting 24/7 like u)
    2nd make wt ever assupmtions I can also tell that ur into steroytyping ppl.
    3rd I do find it a crime to kill any innocent civilians including babies and that rule applies to all regardless of their religion. U knw y bec thats wt my religion teaches & thats wt any fair human will agree too. U also conveniently chose to forget that Israel is occupying a land that was stolen from its rightful ppl and the one w the longest record of violations for humanitarian law ad killing of babies is Israel. Also, this situation would have never escalated and continued till date if it wasnt for decisions made by EU & later US to support this illegal establishment.
    4th live and think that liberty, justice and human dignity only existed thanks to the West & in ur declaration of independance but Im sorry to burst ur buble and tell u u r wrong. Read on rules of war, role of state & its obligations etc towards its citizens according to Islamic rules and ull discovere where many of the rules u have right now come from. Of course these rules came out at a time were for the rest of the World it was normal practice to kill civilians, burn cities during wars.
    Wt happens in our countries is our own business and if u dnt knw that the US & EU benefit by having dectators, corruption etc in the region then u knw nothing.

    And where did u read any where that I deny any of the things Im asking for my region to others? and y is it a mistake to care more for the countries and the ppl of the region where I live?!!!

    In fact, reading ur postings u r the one who think u r higher than others, and think u got it all figured out. Just reading ur post tells that u r the one who deny us in the region the right to nt have EU & US intereferring in our affairs. Yes our governments are responsible too but arent they also supported by EU & US? check how the US retracted on its call for democracy in EGY once a handful of MB members made it to the Parliament

    Good luck living in ur wrold of assumptions

  23. I have a question for all of you Egyptians out there- when are you going to start speaking your own language, Coptic, and stop speaking Arabic? You are, after all Egyptians, and should speak your own language in your own land.

  24. Dr. Guy – My sentiment EXACTLY.

    I’m still not exactly sure when Egyptians turned into ‘Arabs.’ Was it immediately after the Arab conquest in the 7th century? Was it when the majority of Egyptians were forced to adopt Arabic language (or have their tongues cut out) in the 12th century or was it when Abdel Nasser added “Arab Republic” to the title of Egypt in the 20th century? Which one exactly?

    Egyptians are not Arab, have never been Arab and never will be Arab. You wanna call us “Arabic-speakers” then fine. But Arabs?? Lol, thanks but no thanks.

  25. Dr. Guy @ 25 – “I have a question for all of you Egyptians out there- when are you going to start speaking your own language, Coptic, and stop speaking Arabic? You are, after all Egyptians, and should speak your own language in your own land.”

    I’m 100% for using the Coptic language, however it was not our choice to become Arabic speakers as EgyPeter said our tongues would be cut out, it was forced upon us by the invading hordes. Any attempt to revive Coptic is condemned as anti Islamic and a plot to cause strife between the Egyptian people. Come on people where is our self pride and nationalism? have we forgot our past? Even the Persians did not allow the Arabs to impose their language on them, till this day they speak Farsi.

  26. “Dr. Guy – My sentiment EXACTLY.

    I’m still not exactly sure when Egyptians turned into ‘Arabs.’ Was it immediately after the Arab conquest in the 7th century? Was it when the majority of Egyptians were forced to adopt Arabic language (or have their tongues cut out) in the 12th century or was it when Abdel Nasser added “Arab Republic” to the title of Egypt in the 20th century? Which one exactly?

    Egyptians are not Arab, have never been Arab and never will be Arab. You wanna call us “Arabic-speakers” then fine. But Arabs?? Lol, thanks but no thanks.”

    My understanding is that before the 18th century or so, the only people anywhere outside of the Arab Peninsula that were refered to as Arabs were the Bedouins. The all-inclusive Arab identity as it is today (“if you speak Arabic, you’re an Arab”) was created as a tool to fight off Ottoman Turkish rule.

  27. Why did you call Iran an “Arab nation”?

  28. Actually George, Egyptians themselves NEVER called themselves “Arab” prior to Abdel Nasser and the advent of Pan-Arabism. He fashioned himself the leader and defender of everyone who spoke Arabic..and now we’re all ‘Arab?’ No thanks.

  29. Dr. Guy: u meant we should go back to speaking the language of ancient Egyptians not coptic?!
    I do not see why we have to pick and choose, Egypt was invaded many times and its ppl got mixed with a long list of nations so, why is it a problem that we also got mixed with Arabs I do not get it? or may be because for you and others arabs are inferior?! but well those “bedouins of the sahara” managed to have a great emipre, scientists, etc at the time that Europe was still living in its wild times so, why the racism?
    Personally, I think of my self and my fellow citizens as Egyptians with all the mixture we had with all the geographical connections we have, I see no reason to pick and chose I also find it extremly silly when an Egyptian tells you he/she knws for sure his/her exact roots and that they make a direct relation to ancient Egyptians.

  30. ” I also find it extremly silly when an Egyptian tells you he/she knws for sure his/her exact roots and that they make a direct relation to ancient Egyptians.”

    That would be one heck of a family tree…!!! :)

  31. EgyPeter: “Actually George, Egyptians themselves NEVER called themselves “Arab” prior to Abdel Nasser and the advent of Pan-Arabism. He fashioned himself the leader and defender of everyone who spoke Arabic..and now we’re all ‘Arab?’ No thanks.”

    Well, I meant in the “Arab world” in general, not in just in Egypt. Obviously the idea was accepted at different times in different areas. The point is that it’s a relatively modern idea. The ancestors of the vast majority of the people who call themselves Arabs today didn’t really think of themselves as Arabs until the last 2-3 hundred years.

  32. “I do not see why we have to pick and choose, Egypt was invaded many times and its ppl got mixed with a long list of nations so, why is it a problem that we also got mixed with Arabs I do not get it?”

    I think the problem is with those who claim it’s only Arab.

    I mean, it’s not like all these populations from the Tigris to the Atlantic suddenly disappeared some 1300 years ago and were then replaced with people from the Arab Peninsula/Syrian Desert.

  33. I agree George its also silly to think we are all just Arabs. I personally do not see a point in using one label, especially now that we are no longer part of one empire/state.
    I think we are lucky to come from such diverse backgrounds and regionally to share some common factors espcially one common language (even if in some countries other laguages or dialects are used). I also believe that the problem is that we mostly look at our relations from a sentimental point of view. I wish there was some serious thought on whether we have common goals and interests that will be served best by maintaining a certain level of cooperation/integration? It’s a shame that with all the common factors we have we are not able till date to reach the level of cooperation the EU had, even though many of its members were enemies at some point and many might not identify themselves as having any thing in common other than sharing Europe and having common interests that needs them to be under some form of unity.
    Also as an Egyptian, I do not like it that we are more focused on Arab affairs and not as involved with African affairs.

  34. Well said #36