Embarrassing shit!

Who is Muhammed Al Bughdaddy and why is he allowed to write in AlMasry AlYoum?

Conspicuously, no one can deny that Obama is a strong and charismatic president, who stepped into the White House with a highly unprecedented number of votes from Americans who love and respect him. Though, the Zionist lobby will indefatigably grope for what they want and will not spare any effort and capabilities in steering each and every end to the Israeli benefit. In other words, if Obama is not all eyes and ears to their malevolent blackmailing, he will be doomed to John Kennedy’s fate. This explains the heavy security cautions adopted at his inauguration.

Yes, First Black man to ever get elected president in a country with history of racism and lynch mobs, and the heavy security cautions must be to protect him from the zionist assassins! You know, the ones who killed JFK!

Brilliant!

Comments

  1. Shhhh…. he’s having fun, don’t spoil it ;)

  2. Roman Kalik says:

    Sometimes, I wish that the people who wrote this kind of stuff really *were* on drugs. It would have let me view humanity just a little better…

  3. LOL
    They are just smoking some crazy shisha..
    maybe that smoking ban will help.

  4. Well I say the Israel lobby is slipping.

    Since Israel is in fact, as we know, an illegal state!

    I say they ought to be doing more to cover up such a farce that states Israel is a soveirgn country!

  5. I saw this when it ran in AlMasry AlYoum the other week. I should have been surprised by how stupid it was, but I wasn’t. That Washington quote is also bogus. I think he just made it up.

  6. Sand Ape, my sweet,
    Did you go fill out an application for “The Bachelor”?

  7. Hey, you know the drill.

    If Obama is still alive it means he is giving up to blackmails of Juicy lobby.

  8. Sand Ape, why is Israel an illegal state? Because the British, when partitioning the land, gave a tiny piece of it to the Jewish people?

  9. Lynne,

    No because it was never belonged to the invading British bastards in the first place.

    Also for the fact that :

    To virtually incarcerate the Palestinian people inside degrading cages, destroying their livelihoods, confiscating their lands, stealing their water and uprooting their trees, and then to condemn their legitimate resistance as terrorism is a disease of the mind.

    To virtually incarcerate the Palestinian people inside degrading cages, destroying their livelihoods, confiscating their lands, stealing their water and uprooting their trees, and then to condemn their legitimate resistance as terrorism is a disease of the mind.

    To assert property claims over real estate after the lapse of more than 2000 years with the same certainty of title as if one resided there yesterday is a disease of the mind.

  10. Roman Kalik says:

    No because it was never belonged to the invading British bastards in the first place.

    So who did it belong to, I wonder? The invading Turkish bastards? The invading Egyptian bastards? The invading Syrian bastards? The invading Kurdish bastards? The invading Crusader bastards? The invading Arab Caliphate bastards…

    A whole lot of bastards on that list. Apparently, only those among them who are Arab and Muslim have a right to anything at all. Everyone else is a conquering imperialist – while the Arabs were here since the Dawn of Time…

  11. Lynne,
    I do not think that Israel is an illegal state. I think Israel has every right to exist.
    I am not going to discuss whether I am pro/anti Israel/Palestinians.
    I am however, very anti stupidity. What are you talking about?
    What tiny piece of land did the British give the Jewish people, I do not even understand what you are referring to.
    After the the Great War when Palestine became a British mandate?
    Yes, the British promised Lord Balfour a Jewish national home in what was then known as Palestine in 1917.
    The British also promised the Arabs the land, in exchange for their help defeating the Ottomans during the war in 1916 in the Sharif-McMahon correspondence.
    The British gave the Arabs and the jews the big fuck you because they were planning on keeping it to themselves anyway, which is evident from the Sykes-Picot agreement of 1916. The french and the British split up the Arab lands among themselves after the war.
    More than 20 years later the UN in resolution 181 created the jewish homeland. The British, abstained from that vote. They did not vote for it. They did not give the jewish people land. AT ALL.

  12. No because it was never belonged to the invading British bastards in the first place.

    What’s your point? It never belonged to Arabs, either. Nor did it belong to Romans, when they decided to ethnically cleanse it of Jews, 2000 years ago. The last time that land was an autonomous state, it was a *Jewish* state. But what’s the point of making historical arguments, Sand Ape? Will that solve anything? Will that get Palestinians a homeland they can call their own? Or does it just make you feel like your hatred and bigotry is righteous? The Nazis felt pretty righteous in what they were doing to. Just because people feel righteous, doesn’t make them right.

    As for the rest of your blah blah blah, how do you reconcile the fact that the Jewish enemies of Palestinians, treat Palestinians as well as their Arab “friends” do? Or do you just not bother thinking about all that? Too much of a headache?

  13. Hey, by the way, Coptic bastard Sand Ape, how do you feel about the Arabs occupying Egypt for all these years? That OK with you? Who gave them that land? And why did you move to the US, are you just too cowardly to go try to get it back? So now you collaborate with your Arab Muslim occupiers against the rightful owners of a neighboring state? Tell us how that makes you *feel*? How do you think your fellow Christians should treat you, pussy boy? And why should we give you shelter?

  14. Sand Ape, I agree with you about the meddling British and their disregard for the well-being of the people in the lands that they took over. That is history and no fault of Britons now (except for the anti-semitism in the UK). Both the Arabs and Jews were treated very badly by the British, so that alone could be reason to unite them. They should be commiserating rather than fighting each other. The Arabs who stayed in Israel, and there were a lot of them, are treated well, especially compared to their treatment in other Arab countries, where they are not allowed to live as citizens of those countries. The Arab-Israelis own businesses, run for and hold office, have educational opportunities, run their own schools, and worship as they please without fear. Contrast that with their treatment in other countries.
    There is no need for hatred between Arabs and Jews, and believe me, many intelligent, well-meaning people overcome any prejudice that they have and form friendships. The hatred is the problem, and its time that people find other ways of thinking. Hatred is a totally destructive force. There could be peace, cooperation, and goodwill in place of the hatred and violence. There really ought to be. The highest development of the human condition is to feel compassion and empathy for others, inside and outside of one’s own group.

  15. I’m not smart enough to follow the thrust of his argument. He seems to be telling us that jfk was assassinated because he wasn’t aware that the jooz were blackmailing him. So the assassins must have been someone other than the joo blackmailers, benefiting as they were from their naive dupe.

    Whodunit?

  16. M., oh. I expressed myself badly. I was trying to simplify and well, thanks, for straightening this out.

  17. Dick, whodunit? I was read that Mafia boss, Carlos Marcello, admitted to killing him. Could just have been bragging. I think that the CIA must have had something to do with it. Too much of a cover-up effort at the time.
    Carlos Marcello is well-known in New Orleans where I am from, and it seems that there was definitely a New Orleans connection there. Oswald was from New Orleans and was known there as a radical kook. Attorney Jim Garrison tried to put together the pieces, and it ruined his life. (His book about the matter is Heritage of Stone, interesting reading). :)

  18. They’re on the drug of choice in the middle east: hatred and conspiracy theories.

    Anti-Semitism has the same effect as many mind-altering substances: it helps idiots to escape from reality for a while.

  19. (they meaning Muhammed Al Bughdaddy and his ilk)

  20. Sand Ape is cutting and pasting (sometimes twice) talking points from other places.

    Read the first paragraph. Sound familiar?

    Zaid Nabulski wants his paragraph back. He worked for the UN in Geneva. Figures. The quote is from an article originally published in Jordan’s Living Well Magazine. Now it’s all over the Internet and in creepy places like Rense.

  21. Chip, you are right. Rense is indeed a creepy site.

  22. lynne,

    The paragraph sounded familiar and when I searched Rense popped up first. I can’t remember where I read that first, but it’s everywhere. “Anti-Zionism” has officially become indistinguishable from Jew hatred. If you put that paragraph in a search engine it comes up all over the Islamic-Leftist-Creepy blogosphere. And probably the neo-Nazi as well, but I didn’t search past page one of the search results.

  23. Chip, that is truly scary. For a long time, I have been realizing that anti-Israel diatribes were simply hatred of the Jewish people. How can blind hatred be counteracted? It seems hopeless.

  24. el mo2amra el sohyooneya ya Monkey!! 3ibb!!! Kolina 3arfeen ya3ni!
    since the “Arabs are under the impression that the US and Israel are strong allies” and all!!!

  25. RK,

    @: “So who did it belong to, I wonder? The invading Turkish bastards? The invading Egyptian bastards? The invading Syrian bastards? The invading Kurdish bastards? The invading Crusader bastards? The invading Arab Caliphate bastards…”

    Good point….it belonged to neither of those inavders. It belonged to the Palistinians.

    @: Apparently, only those among them who are Arab and Muslim have a right to anything at all.

    “Again, typical ad hominem and racial bias, nothing new to your brininging absolutely nothing of any merit to the table!”

  26. Lynne,

    If you are in fact anti stupid, then please get off of being STUCK ON STUPID!

    lol @ your comment:

    ” am however, very anti stupidity. What are you talking about?
    What tiny piece of land did the British give the Jewish people, I do not even understand what you are referring to.”

    FOR YOUR INFO I NEVER MADE ANY REFERENCE TO ANY TINY PIECE OF LAND BEING GIVEN BY THE BRITISH. AGAIN, IT WAS YOU SWEET HEART!

    I especially love this part..lol..:

    The British, abstained from that vote. They did not vote for it. They did not give the jewish people land. AT ALL.

    So I guess then Israel has much reason to disobey the UN and is therefore an illegal terrorist state indeed!

    Because you are a lady, I wont pound your ignoramia today, after all, I don’t really think you can help it. Am i right?

  27. @ Cock Mouth Craig’s
    ridiculous and absurdly preposterous comment:
    “The last time that land was an autonomous state, it was a *Jewish* state.”or this hypocritical statement coming from a self proclaimed racist of Islam, Copts and Arabs:

    “Or does it just make you feel like your hatred and bigotry is righteous?”

    or this…

    “Hey, by the way, Coptic bastard Sand Ape, how do you feel about the Arabs occupying Egypt for all these years?”

    You take home the jerk off trophy…but i am not done with you yet Cock Mouth!

    How about this precious morsel of hypocrisy:
    “So now you collaborate with your Arab Muslim occupiers against the rightful owners of a neighboring state?”

    To assert property claims over real estate after the lapse of more than 2000 years with the same certainty of title as if one resided there yesterday is a disease of the mind.

    I love the way how you lavishly used the word “Rightful” lol, to prove the incurable sickness of your mind!

    BTW, I aint Tworsets brother, nor am I Coptic but ofcourse that wouldn’t matter to self proclaimed racist dweeb like yourself, loathing in his own feces and hatred!

  28. Lynee,

    You are scared and slightly racist, plz read your comment:

    “If you put that paragraph in a search engine it comes up all over the Islamic-Leftist-Creepy blogosphere.”

    It’s OK to be afraid. Actually it is very lucrative to the people who have put that false fear in your heart. It is OK to be afraid of people that are different than you. But please stop being a hypocrite and preaching peace while it is your warm breast that is responsible fpr nourishing the on going hysteria.

    Thank You!

  29. Sorry Lynn,

    I realized that it was your friend chips comment, not yours. But its kinda similar don’t you think?

    Contrary to popular misconception, someone of Arab origin that is tired of disproportionate war crimes and witnessing little kids become orphans, who hates Israel with all his heart and soul, can in fact still be objective and admit when he is wrong!

    Sorry and Thank you!

  30. Chip -

    When was “denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination” (AKA anti-Zionism) ever anything but pure antisemitism? :)

    Unless the anti-Zionist happens to be opposed to nations in general and denies the right of self-determination of Swedes, Kazakhs, Japanese, Malaysians and everyone else, of course.

    An argument that has some theoretical and no practical merit.

  31. Abu sa’ar,

    I hope you got non slip stickers for your bath tub so that you and your family will be safe when you take long hot showers while the people of the land that you stole are bathing in water unfit for humans, in between dodging attacks from (charitably donated) F-!6′s.

    The reason I tell you this is because even an arse can not deny the divine retribution of God!

    It is only a matter of time!

    Have a good one!

  32. Sand Ape, you realize you don’t need to bother with quoting people, if you are just going to reply with irrelevant insults, right? ;)

  33. The reason I tell you this is because even an arse can not deny the divine retribution of God!

    Really? Well, if you’re going to go that route then I think it’s a pretty safe bet that God is extremely pissed off at Arabs, and has been for quite some time. And for good reason. Perhaps the divine retribution has already begun? When will it end though? Would it be enough for Arabs to learn their lesson and change their ways? The Quran seems to imply that the punishment will continue for quite some time, so that the lesson will never be forgotten. I’m not sure the Bible says anything at all about it, but maybe you can tell me… divine retribution seems like just the sort of thing your type of Christian would be into, eh? :)

  34. is that the best you can do when you get ur ass handed to you, besides, what are you doing up 3:00 a.m. Craig?

  35. is that the best you can do when you get ur ass handed to you

    I thought it was pretty good! Sorry to have disappointed you though! And while your declaration of victory is impressive, I think I missed the actual ass-handage… all I saw was random and nonsensical insults in your comment diarrhea.

    what are you doing up 3:00 a.m. Craig?

    Just woke up. Is your sister awake? Have her skype me bro, I’m bored!

  36. Do you really expect to be taken seriously after saying…

    1.) “The last time that land was an autonomous state, it was a *Jewish* state.”

    2.) “Hey, by the way, Coptic bastard Sand Ape, how do you feel about the Arabs occupying Egypt for all these years?”

    3.) “So now you collaborate with your Arab Muslim occupiers against the rightful owners of a neighboring state?”

    You do know right, that to assert property claims over real estate after the lapse of more than 2000 years with the same certainty of title as if one resided there yesterday is a disease of the mind.

    Nor am I Coptic as my religion is none of your racist business.

  37. LOL, touche, leave your skype details then you scaredy cat!

  38. 1, 2, 3 are all based on historical fact, Sand Ape. Why don’t you take historicval fact seriously?

    Nor am I Coptic as my religion is none of your racist business.

    What does your religion have to do with me? And how does accusing you of being a Christian come out to be bigotry, when I’m a Christian too? You have the mind of a child. Now I feel guilty for ridiculing you. And please don’t have your sister skype me unless she is over 18! And hot. Or at least sounds hot. And her English is good. Don’t wanna seem too picky but… well… gotta maintain my high racist standards, right?

  39. LOL, touche, leave your skype details then you scaredy cat!

    You can get them from Twosret ;)

  40. Man you should just be a Public defender for the Arian Nation members held at L.A. County!

    You are seriously hopeless!

    How come you didn’t join balck water, too scared, being ex military and all.

    Hummer truck and 50,000 in the bank after 12 months not good enough for you or what?

    Plus you can make off with a Hot Iraqi 18 yr old like most do!

  41. Blackwater? Now you are getting serious about the insults :o

  42. Ooops,

    1 + 1 = 2,

    therefore

    Craig + Arian = White Water not black water — Aahh, Sorry!

  43. i luv egypt says:

    Amin ya Rab, inshalla we will have better leaders and properly use our wealth to protect us from the non stop invaiding our lands. They cal the middle east a shit hole yet almost all the empires of the world had to invaide a middle easter country. They think they can get away with it in Africa and Asia, not with Muslims tho cuz we fight back so yall betta think twice b4 fucking with us. If the UN cant do shit, or moral standards seem not to exist in the West, then yall better be ready for the coming generation. They are way more mad at yall and at us for not doing shit. But we ill prove to be better than them cuz i personaly dont want to do da same like wa they did to us. We will just take out land back and leave them the fuck alone.

    I am tired of dealing with evil unethical humen being like creatures and whom dont udnerstand that they need to wash their ass after taking a shit. No wonder white girls pussy stink like rotten eggs while arab girls got dis expensive perfume all around their body. Yep what i said will piss off some white girls here but maybe they really need to change this filthy habit. Guys you know what i am talking about! this will sound disgusting but because they dont use water after taking a shit, some of them wipe their shit the wrong direction. Meaning they wipe it downwards toward their vagina which causes a foul smell left in that region. Not to mention she is a little drunk with a few drink here and there, she will dance and sweat cuz the vagina area to combine left over shit and sweat together for u to smell b4 penetrating. Eastern european and South Eastern are not like that. They are very close to Arabs but Greek girls need to learn how to shave. It aint sexy at all!!! I over heard Muslim girls telling each other how it is required in Islam that girls after their period HAVE to wash it and also required to add rose water perfume or something similiar that will sanatize it and give a nice finishing smell. I luv my clean ladies.

  44. #43 sounds like he gets laid every night by willing, unmarried muslim women who have a fetish for gynecological cleanliness.

    Well, who can’t be in favor of that?

  45. They think they can get away with it in Africa and Asia, not with Muslims tho cuz we fight back so yall betta think twice b4 fucking with us.

    Yeah. Everyone is scared of you. That’s totally obvious to anyone who has read the history books of the last 1200 years. (that was sarcasm, by the way)

    Hey Sand Ape, check out this link I got from Michael Totten’s blog:

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1129540575411&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

    While it’s almost impossible to find a Christian who’s prepared to go public in airing such grievances, Samir Qumsiyeh, a journalist from Beit Sahur, is a notable exception. Last month he was quoted by the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera as saying that Christians were being subjected to rape, kidnapping, extortion and expropriation of land and property.

    “Almost all 140 cases of expropriation of land in the last three years were committed by militant Islamic groups and members of the Palestinian police.” Qumsiyeh said he was now preparing a book on the conditions of the Christian minority. “I will call it ‘Racism in Action,’” he says. “The racism against us is gaining pace in staggering ways. In 1950 the Christian population in Bethlehem was 75%. Today we have hardly more than 12% Christians. If the situation continues, we won’t be here any more in 20 years.”

    How does that make you *feel*, as a Christian? And even after you and your family fled to the US, you still actively collaborate with your Arab Muslim oppressors. How sick is that? Why don’t you get your narrow little ass back to the middle-east and fight for your people, instead of fighting against them?

  46. Jack @44, Yeah either he’s got a lot of cash for high class Arab Muslim hookers, or he’s been sleeping with a lot of Ukrainian hookers and can’t tell the difference, eh? If he’s been banging so many hookers that he can offer expert opinions about ethnic differences, then all I can say is “good luck with the AIDS, bro”.

  47. Craig + Arian = White Water not black water — Aahh, Sorry!

    Is Twosret calling me “Arian” now? She was telling everyone I was dark and swarthy, a couple years ago. I guess my physical appearance changes depending on how much she’s had to drink, eh?

  48. i luv egypt says:

    Na they aint hookers, most from College and some from clubs..And no i never paid doe to get me a hoe!!! loool . I have tried ukraine but did crotia and they were fine. When i say white i mean anglo saxon you know, Scottish, english etc. Honestly black girls have a problem with onion smelling body. Another black girl from Uni, she turned me off bcu of dat onion smell. I told her i cannot do it bcuz i feel guilty bcuz im married (lie of course). I havent tried jewish girls but i think they wud be close to Arab girls. And i dont fuck with hookers, i hook up with girls. Just trying to enlight you guys with different smells of vaginas from around the world. OO and french girls, maan what a disappointment!! I thought they were all about perume and “du toillete ” thingy that is written on almost all perfumes and colones.

  49. I can just imagine what kind of girls you “hook up” with, from the way you talk about women. It’s probably all about different brands of tuna, am I right? I bet I am! :P

  50. PS-where can I find those Scottish Anglo-Saxons? That sounds interesting!

  51. Craig,

    Your article was boring and don’t you forget that my family never fled anywhere. We built America dummy! I am more American that your immigrant grandparents dude! For all you guys know, I could be a White Anglo Saxon Protestant that has a hard on for the 72 virgins and Hamas. Just like SM has a hard ob for IDF bitches that butcher babies. we are both aberrations, no move along and live with it!

  52. Your attempts sectarian strife tribal discord are futile.

    You really should be in Iraq with Black Water, throwing bombs into Shia neighborhoods and Sunni neighborhoods and have them blame it on each other.

    Someone incited you against Arabs now you try to incite Arabs against one another.

    Brilliant!

  53. “to commit tragic and bloody massacres, and bath in the blood of the children, women, and men of Gaza.”

    Such poetry…Though I prefer showers in the blood of Gazans…Why not “the mother of all showers” or something even more poetic?

    And Obama is the first American HALF-BLACK president dammnit!

  54. For all you guys know, I could be a White Anglo Saxon Protestant

    Maybe you are one of those Celtic Anglo-Saxon Catholics from Scotland, right? :D

  55. Someone incited you against Arabs now you try to incite Arabs against one another.

    Nobody incited me against Arabs… I kinda like Arabs. It’s idiots that I don’t like.

    So, anyway, what is it that makes you, an “Arab” Christian (there actually is no such thing as an Arab Christian, but whatever) willing to collaborate with Arab Muslims who invaded and occupied your country? You are in “solidarity” with them, as they try to drive out the indigenous people of Israel? You call Israeli Jews occupiers when they were the inhabitants of that land going back into prehistoric times, but you don’t call the Arabs who conquered your country 1400 years ago and eventually drove YOU out, occupiers? Dude, you got your ass ethnically cleansed all the way to the US. How does that make you *feel*? Does supporting your oppressors make the shame seem less intense, or something?

  56. Contrary to popular misconception, someone of Arab origin that is tired of disproportionate war crimes and witnessing little kids become orphans,

    Then go protest outside the Sudanese embassy.

  57. And another thing! Your family was one of the few that persevered through all the centuries of persecution, and refused to convert to Islam. Why did they do that? So that you could run to the US and start acting more Muslim than the Muslims are? Wouldn’t it have been easier for your ancestors to just give in to the pressure and convert to Islam, like so many other christian families did? What would they think of you, if they saw the way you are behaving?

  58. Sandape

    It’s the Mossad throwing the bombs, not Blackwater :-)

  59. Lynne: “I was read that Mafia boss, Carlos Marcello, admitted to killing him.”

    It was the Italians killed JFK, then. Not the jooz. Unless the mafia are Italian jooz?

    Just trying to keep it all straight in my head.

  60. Roman Kalik says:

    @25 Sand Ape:

    Good point….it belonged to neither of those inavders. It belonged to the Palistinians.

    How very interesting. Which Palestinians, the ones who came with the Arab migration and conquests, the ones that came with the Syrian one, the ones who came with the Kurdish one, or just the ones who don’t have a permanent home and traveled through the desert before putting down a more permanent kind of tent and called it a day?

    Or perhaps you refer to the colonizers brought from the more docile parts of the Empire by the Romans, back in the day?

    Either way, your Palestinians are a rather diverse bunch.

  61. Roman Kalik says:

    Oh, and apparently… Only those of them who speak Arabic have any claim to be from around here. How very, very interesting.

  62. Craig, I don’t know that Sand Ape is Christian. Why the insistence?

    And aren’t you being a tad harsh towards Copts? And you know what, the Copts DID persevere…and even thrive! More than what you can say about a lot of other different religions in the middle east after the Arab Conquests.

  63. SM: “Yes, First Black man to ever get elected president in a country with history of racism and lynch mobs, and the heavy security cautions must be to protect him from the zionist assassins! You know, the ones who killed JFK!”

    You’re about half a century out of date on lynch mobs, SM. The Ku Klux Klan is out. The black gangsters are in. And racism in America is hardly the problem it is in Europe or the Middle East.

    Of course, the expanded security this year at the Inauguration is not due to “Zionist assassins” but rather to Muslim assassins, like Sirhan Sirhan, but with the backing of an Islamic state.

    I’m pretty amused to read in the article that Congress has been ordering me to eat hamburger sandwiches. I had been wondering who was sending me those lunch directives.

  64. Craig, I don’t know that Sand Ape is Christian. Why the insistence?

    Lots of things. Such as: He doesn’t know much about Islam, he speaks Arabic, he uses traditionally Christian biblical forms of anti-Semitism, he references “Lucifer”, he accuses me of sacrilege a couple of times, and etc.

    What other options are there? I briefly considered he might be Jewish because he seems obsessed with the concept of shame, but he knows nothing about Judaism so that’s probably out too.

    And aren’t you being a tad harsh towards Copts?

    He says he’s not a Copt… interesting he will deny that, but won’t deny being Christian, isn’t it? :)

    And you know what, the Copts DID persevere…and even thrive! More than what you can say about a lot of other different religions in the middle east after the Arab Conquests.

    Yes, that’s true. I’m a bit taken aback by the number of loonie-tunes Copts that comment on this blog, though. I still think they came in Twosret’s wake. They seem to have the same opinions about everything that she does. And I’ve met quite a few Egyptian Copts in the US over the years, and I know for a fact that’s not the “norm”.

  65. Craig’s comments have one thing written all over them, OBSESSION with Twosret, who just so happens to be a Copt?

    Now listen, I don’t take it lightly when someone insults and pokes fun at a non violent people like the Copts of Egypt! But I assure you I am not Copt, I am just anti barbarism.

    I am against suicide bombings but if Copts were pushed to their limits like the Orthodox Christians of Palestine and the Muslims there alike, then I would condone ANY FORM OF RETALIATION!

    I strongly feel that Hitler could have been stopped if they had C4 in Warsaw back in the day. Instead there might actually have been peace by now.There could have been joint suicide festival between Jews & Muslims. riding in on bi sexual mules and homosexual camels of course so that SM would be material worthy!

  66. Abu Sa’ar,

    Personally, I’ve always found the mask transparent. Now, with ‘anti-Zionists’ chanting things like “Jews to the gas” and “Hitler was right” all over the world, I’d hope everyone can see it. The new Nazism has its strongest support from academics in the US, the UN, and EU, all of whom still cling to the ‘anti-Zionist’ mask for their genocidal fantasies.

  67. LOL, what an arian schooled nut case!

    “he uses traditionally Christian biblical forms of anti-Semitism,”

    The term anti Semite is AIPAC political conjecture and didn’t exist in biblical times! BTW jesus was a semite if their ever was one, so please trash the term”
    1.) anti semite
    2.) negro
    3.) Jew boy

    and most of all..

    4.) Dumb Copt

  68. Roman Kalik says:

    “he uses traditionally Christian biblical forms of anti-Semitism,”

    Well, Craig, if anything this is what proves that Sand Ape isn’t Christian. Anyone who actually read the Christian Bible and was would have gotten this reference.

  69. Roman Kalik says:

    The term anti Semite is AIPAC political conjecture

    Um, no. It was actually invented in 19th century Germany. But then again, facts never *did* bother you…

  70. OH MY GOD..!!!

    I said it was AIPAC conjecture. That means AIPAC uses it. I never ever said that they invented it! So why go so far with the AD HOMINEM attacks and say

    “But then again, facts never *did* bother you…”

    If anyone in my family is as a baseless racist spitter of ad homonyms like yourself than please please kill them on the spot.

    Now do you see why you are just a little bit sub human!-?

  71. Craig’s comments have one thing written all over them, OBSESSION with Twosret, who just so happens to be a Copt?

    You are the one who keeps bringing Twosret up, in your efforts to taunt me. I think its kind of funny, because the chats I had with Twosret didn’t go anything like the way she has apparently told people they did, and I can actually prove that, if I wanted to embarrass her. But I’m curious, since you say you don’t know Twosret, how do you know she’s a Copt?

    Now listen, I don’t take it lightly when someone insults and pokes fun at a non violent people like the Copts of Egypt!

    Twosret is not “non-violent”, dude. Neither are her friends. That’s the essence of what I’ve been complaining about, eh?

    But I assure you I am not Copt….

    Why is it so easy for you to deny being a Copt, but so hard for you to deny being a Christian? I told you, all you have to do is say “I’m not a Christian, I am a Muslim” and I’ll leave off of it.

  72. Well, Craig, if anything this is what proves that Sand Ape isn’t Christian. Anyone who actually read the Christian Bible and was would have gotten this reference.

    RK, Twosret (who actually is a Copt) has made several blog posts on her blog where she outlined all the scriptural reasons from the Bible that she felt justified antisemitism. Same arguments Sand Ape has made here. I’d be inclined to agree that those biblical arguments for antisemitism are contrived and disingenuous, but there are Christians who believe them.

  73. clearly delusional

  74. Roman Kalik says:

    RK, Twosret (who actually is a Copt) has made several blog posts on her blog where she outlined all the scriptural reasons from the Bible that she felt justified antisemitism. Same arguments Sand Ape has made here. I’d be inclined to agree that those biblical arguments for antisemitism are contrived and disingenuous, but there are Christians who believe them.

    While I agree that there are Christians who believe such arguments, it’s actually the fact that Sand Ape failed to spot the quote, so to speak (having failed entirely in connecting anti-Semitic thought with early Christian scripture when presented with a reference to it) that convinced me that he never, actually, read the Christian texts in question.

    I’d expect a Christian to at least be familiar, to some extent, with the Gospels, rather than secondhand general racist sentiments. Sand Ape, while echoing some elements of Christian anti-Judaic and anti-Semitic idiocy, doesn’t actually appear to be at all familiar with its sources and origins – unlike actual Christians who hold such ideas, like your example of Twosret.

    Sand Ape isn’t Christian – he’s just united in hatred with a few of them who are about as hate-filled as he is. He’s a Muslim, of the fire and brimstone, “the Prophet promised we will kill those apes and pigs in the end” variety – something he actually referred to when talking with I Luv Egypt, who is also a Muslim by his own words.

  75. Roman Kalik says:

    There you go:

    All real Muslims know that God has promised victory over the Jews in the end, that’s the second main reason why none of us want to make peace with
    them. The first being their unbelievable propensity for treachery and denying the truth!

  76. While I agree that there are Christians who believe such arguments, it’s actually the fact that Sand Ape failed to spot the quote, so to speak (having failed entirely in connecting anti-Semitic thought with early Christian scripture when presented with a reference to it) that convinced me that he never, actually, read the Christian texts in question.

    Point taken. But there are a LOT of Christians who haven’t ever actually read the Bible, just as there are a lot of Muslims who have never read the Quran.

    And no, I don’t think Sand Ape is a practicing Christian… I doubt he goes to Church, and I doubt he makes any effort whatsoever to live a Christian life, but I remain convinced he comes from a Christian family.

    Your quote is interesting, but unconvincing, since Sand Ape is a know liar. It’s the little things he lets slip by accident that I place a higher value on :)

  77. And by the way, I LUV EGYPT is a fake persona… nobody talks like that, he’s obviously trying to disguise his style so nobody recognizes him from a different account. He’s trying to sound “ghetto” in typing, which of course nobody does lol.

  78. Clearly deliusional, conspiracy theories only exascerbate your paranoia

  79. If Muslims want Israel, then they are going to have to do it the old-fashioned way – fight for it, and they should expect a fight in return; otherwise, shut-up already, whiners.

  80. Your Boss says:

    Everyone;

    Get back to work.

    I mean it.

  81. Joanna,

    There never was an Israel and there never will be!

    It’s called occupied Palestine.

    It has been occupied for thousands of years!

    You can’t have it, no one race has been able to lay claim to it and no one race ever will!

    Get a life!

  82. Only those people of the 12 tribes of Israel are Semities, originating from Noah’s son, Shem. The people of the tribe of Judah are racial Jews, not of the Jewish religion of today that denies Jesus Christ is the son of God; all people who deny Jesus Christ is the son of God are anti-Christs.

    The term anti-Semite today is used to call a person who is against those of the Jewish religion, whether they are racially Jewish or not. The term anti-Semite is misleading today, because Jesus Christ, who was of the racial tribe of Judah, would be referred to as anti-Semite because he would have been against the denial of himself being the Son of God.

    In truth, an anti-Semite is any person who is against any of the people of the 12 racial Tribes of Israel, not of a religion that refers to itself as Jewish. Any person of any race today can refer to themselves as Jewish and as a Semite, but only if a person is a racial Jew of the Tribe of Judah are they a true Jew and Semite – and not of the religion, although, that may also be the case.

  83. Craig…

    I can’t really think of any clear anti-Jewism in the Bible…

    What some here MIGHT be trying to allude to are some of the grand interpretations and schools of thought…

    One of the big ones is “Spiritual Replacement Theory”…which a huge chunk of Christianity has latched onto and which, interestingly enough, is being rejected my more and more Christians in recent years.

    This is the idea that God made a covenent with Jews, made certain promises, the Jews misbehaved to the Christians have not “spiritually replaced” the Jews as God’s chosen people.

    The Christians that reject this concept basically argue that God doesn’t make and then break His word. I guess Islam is another form of Spiritual Replacement replacing the Jews and the Christians…although I don’t know what all three religions might be replacing in terms of the billions of people who are not Christians, Jews or Muslims.

    Maybe that is what a few allude to off-and-on….others just seem to blabber kind psychoic tangenital LSDisms.

    ;)

  84. Craig;

    This is the idea that God made a covenent with Jews, made certain promises, the Jews misbehaved to the Christians have not “spiritually replaced” the Jews as God’s chosen people.

    Bad writing…SO the Christians….AND NOW “SPIRITUALLY REPLACED”

    God I hate proof-reading…

    and it shows.

  85. Sand Ape – you are a living ignoramous, and I mean that in the kindest way….no not really. Read some history. Israel did exist, and it was separated into two Kingdoms – the ten tribes of Israel and the two tribes of Judah, along with the Levites. The Assyrians took over Israel and some of Judah, and the Babylonians took over Judah. Israel and Judah were backfilled with Assyrians and Babylonians and others while the peoples of Israel and Judah lived in captivity in the countries of their conquerers.

    And by the way, I do not want the State of Israel – the land belongs to God’s people, and it will be their inheritance when Christ returns. God Almighty lays claim to it, so bite me, but not too hard.

  86. Howie, God has a problem with those who deny Christ is the Son of God, and that would mean those people today who refer to themselves as Jewish based simply on the fact that they deny Christ is the Son of God. Jesus Christ was of the racial tribe of Judah. Does He deny himself?

  87. Do you people not tire of repeating the same arguments over and over about the same topic. It would be nice to see discussion about the actual topics presented.

    The middle east conflict summary: the issue is not about land- the British mandate gave Arabs 80% of the land- the 20% desert isn’t the issue here. Basically jews will always be hated, as has been the case for most of their history. unfortunately for them, it’s their destiny. muslims will always hate jews because it’s commanded in their book. let’s move on.

  88. Here’s a serious Arab analysis of Obama:

    The Obama Era: Arab hopes or Illusions?

  89. It would be nice to see discussion about the actual topics presented.

    wtf?

    Howie,

    This is the idea that God made a covenent with Jews, made certain promises, the Jews misbehaved to the Christians have not “spiritually replaced” the Jews as God’s chosen people.

    Hmmm… well, I’m not digging into scripture about it, but long story short there’s some validity to that claim, scripturally speaking. It’s not that Jews “misbehaved” to Christians, it’s that Jesus came with a new Covenant, that Jews (other than the followers of Christ) refused. That’s the “deep” version. The shallow version (much more popular of course!) is simply that Jews killed Christ. There is much more, for people who really want to look for it. But none of it holds water. Jesus never condemned Jews, so it’s improper for his followers to. At least, that’s the way it seems to me. I think Jesus would be horrified that his teachings were used as a weapon of hate, against anyone.

  90. Joanne,

    There still never was an Israel and there still never will be.

    The crappy attempted illegal take oever of a land that has given all people will surely fail in its self!

    So whose the ignoramous now baby?

  91. anon,

    Brilliant and logical analysis!

    But you left out the part about “WHY” Jews have ultimately been hated and banished through out history or otherwise “persecuted.” For their treason and usury and other evils in EVERY society they have entered.

    And the funny thing is now they want Palestine too, what a continued overly zealous ambition!

  92. Sand Ape – that’s your argument – “There still never was an Israel and there still never will be.”

    Actually, the State of Israel today does not hold any of the covenant promises given to the 12 Tribe of Israel (Kingdom of Judah and Israel) in the Bible; therefore, the State of Israel certainly may have some racial Israelites amonst the populace, including those of Judah, but they are hardly the peoples given the birthright promises. There was to be a King upon the throne of Judah as promised until Christ returned to take his rightful throne, but there is no man or woman upon the throne in the State of Israel; Queen Elizabeth of Judah sits upon the throne of England – Ephraim, the younger of Joseph’s two sons, whom Israel/Jacob took as his own.

  93. St. Matthew 27:24-25 Ferrar Fenton – translated directly from the Greek

    “Pilate then seeing that he gained nothing by it, but, on the contrary, that the riot increased, took water, and washed his hands in the presence of the mob, saying, “See, I am innocent of the blood of this just Man; look to it yourselves.

    Then in reply to him, the whole mass of the people shouted out, “Let His blood be upon us, and upon our children!”

    Craig and Howie – the multitude who called for Christ to be crucified put Christ’s blood on their heads and on the heads of their children, so is it any wonder the people who deny Christ is the Son of God continue to be persecuted to this day.

  94. Sand Ape – my initial point was that land only changes hand through war, and if a people or peoples want the State of Israel, they will have to shed blood for it; complaining about the State of Israel stealing their land is not a solution…..just a lot of whining.

  95. Mohamed, where art thou? Bobby El haboob is missing you LOL!

  96. Joanne,

    Give it up with the 12 diatribes and tainted history already already will you as all that mmumbo won’t change anything and sounds like whinning to me!

    To assert property claims over real estate after the lapse of more than 2000 years with the same certainty of title as if one resided there yesterday is a disease of the mind.

    So what’s it going to be?

  97. Craig…

    Joanne is probably a classic Replacement Theologist…

    Of course…it would not be hard to argue that Christianity has enough blood on ITS hands to be persecuted in this life and in hell as well.

    But I don’t believe in the “sins of their father’s crap”…people are responsible for their own behavior…

  98. Craig…

    Jesus never condemned Jews, so it’s improper for his followers to. At least, that’s the way it seems to me. I think Jesus would be horrified that his teachings were used as a weapon of hate, against anyone.

    Well…actually I think you responded before you got my correction of the typo…

    Actually…Jesus seemed to be mad at a very certain group of Jews…but, on the other hand…HE was a Jew himself as were his disciplines, as were most of the people he preached to…

    But yup…many Christians accept replacement theology without ever realizing that it is just one way of looking at the Bible…

    But these are discussions, like the Palestinian thing, that go round and round and round and round…

    But I look at Christianity’s track record “you will know them by their fruits”…I tend to give Christianity an overall “D-” in good Christian behavior over the past 1700 years or so….like I give Islam an F for a good part of her history…especially the past several hundreds of years and certainly very recently…not to mention Islam’s Crusades across the Middle East and Europe during her infancy.

    But that is another story

  99. I was kinda hoping that you were recovering from the repetitive behaviors, Sand Ape :(

  100. Good to see you making no sense as usual Craig!

    As if anything you say is fresh Mr.fucking racist, lol!

    Good one though, NOT!

  101. @44 “willing, unmarried muslim women who have a fetish for gynecological cleanliness.”
    He might be talking about the “heavenly” virgins that await every true warrior :)

  102. Twosret,
    You’ve got to read what he wrote last Saturday, this was the pinnacle of the performance of his non existent brain, check the sandmonkey’s post about Netenyahu, you won’t believe what his beautiful mind told him.

  103. Roman Kalik says:

    Craig,

    If you were still wondering just why I think that Sand Ape isn’t Christian, his discussion with Joanne here is quite telling. Thank you, Joanne, for illustrating so well the nuances of old Christian anti-Judaic and anti-Semitic theology.

    Observe:

    The people of the tribe of Judah are racial Jews, not of the Jewish religion of today that denies Jesus Christ is the son of God; all people who deny Jesus Christ is the son of God are anti-Christs.

    The term anti-Semite today is used to call a person who is against those of the Jewish religion, whether they are racially Jewish or not. The term anti-Semite is misleading today, because Jesus Christ, who was of the racial tribe of Judah, would be referred to as anti-Semite because he would have been against the denial of himself being the Son of God.

    I have never actually saw a Christian take ownership of the term anti-Semite before – and so proudly, at that, if simplistically and rather ignorantly of the other aspects of it.

    And by the way, I do not want the State of Israel – the land belongs to God’s people, and it will be their inheritance when Christ returns.

    I can already guess who “God’s people” are in this context – Replacement Theology at its finest. Honestly, I don’t have much of a problem with Replacement Theology per se, but when it comes with the following at its footsteps…

    God has a problem with those who deny Christ is the Son of God, and that would mean those people today who refer to themselves as Jewish based simply on the fact that they deny Christ is the Son of God.

    …the old simplistic bigoted theology that equated Judaism and Jews with denying Christianity, reducing it to a footnote in the grand history of Christian Truth, wherein the Jews are the ones who oppose it – and are nothing else but its adversary.

    Replacement Theology I can live with. Speaking out of ignorance and thinly veiled supremacist dogma, though, is something I can’t. Tell me, Joanne, do you honestly believe that Jews and Judaism are defined by their denial of your Christ, and that alone? Do you think so highly of your religion that you must have such a low opinion on the complexity and depth of others, including those who came before you?

    Queen Elizabeth of Judah sits upon the throne of England

    Now *this* is something entirely new… The old kings of Europe used to claim Divine Birthright, certainly, but never to such an extent…

    And then we have *this*:

    Craig and Howie – the multitude who called for Christ to be crucified put Christ’s blood on their heads and on the heads of their children, so is it any wonder the people who deny Christ is the Son of God continue to be persecuted to this day.

    And obviously the Almighty Lord is such a bitter and hate-filled entity that by His Will, children inherit the sins of the fathers – assuming, of course, that a specific group of a Jews can actually take a sin upon all Jews to ever exist, and that the Gospels remain an accurate, unbiased and untainted account of the events in the first place.

    And now that we’re fully back into the church discourse of the Middle-Ages, better start stoking the fires of the Inquisition – because all Jews are evil sinners who hate Christ!

  104. That’s really not much different than what Sand Ape says, RK. It’s just that Sand Ape is winging it from memory because he doesn’t really believe it in a religious sense… he just uses it as a propaganda tool.

  105. Mohamed, I always know when I’m scoring points against you, because you get especially nasty and then start crying to Twosret. When you feel like you’re on top, you pretend to be a nice guy :)

  106. i luv egypt says:

    Christianity is a Pagan religion and Judaism is integrated with ancient rituals such as the Kabalah. I cannot believe people are cool with having a religion that mixes with MAGIC. If jews dont mix with magic and ancient rituals back to Solomon and David’s time then what is the Kabalah?

    When the Syrian shows make us laugh by portraying Jews suck young boy’s blood as a ritual, is it actually true? Watch this video of a jewish girl with Oprah. I believe back in the 80s.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI5W0mfaPd8

    Why does the Pope wear a freaking Golden hat!i aint gonna involve conspiracy but i just dont think the holiest man on earth should be wearing silk and GOld while other people are starving to death. Why is their pope so powerful and rich? Why all this greatness, power and money given to one man that was not even granted to Jesus Christ himself.??!!

    How much pagan idealogies were kept and added to Roman Chrisitianity by Costantinople to comprimise the ancient pagan beliefs of the people and the new christiainty???

  107. Roman Kalik says:

    @105 Craig:

    That’s really not much different than what Sand Ape says, RK. It’s just that Sand Ape is winging it from memory because he doesn’t really believe it in a religious sense… he just uses it as a propaganda tool.

    Agreed.

    @107 i luv egypt:

    Christianity is a Pagan religion and Judaism is integrated with ancient rituals such as the Kabalah. I cannot believe people are cool with having a religion that mixes with MAGIC. If jews dont mix with magic and ancient rituals back to Solomon and David’s time then what is the Kabalah?

    You don’t actually know what Kabbalah is, do you? Kabbalah is the mystical aspect of Judaism – a more detached point of view on the matter of Creation, the Creator, layering said creating into layers easier to comprehend by the human mind…

    Jewish Kabbalah is equivalent to Sufism in Islam.

    And no, the esoteric nonsense that was prevalent in various European “secret orders” from the 17th to the 19th century are not Jewish Kabbalah – just a rather bad corruption of it. This is probably what you are familiar with and what comes to mind when you think “Kabbalah”.

    When the Syrian shows make us laugh by portraying Jews suck young boy’s blood as a ritual, is it actually true? Watch this video of a jewish girl with Oprah. I believe back in the 80s.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI5W0mfaPd8

    You think that portraying Jews as blood-drinking vampires is funny? Interesting. In Europe, they called it anti-Semitic blood libel. And no, it isn’t at all an aspect of the Jewish faith. What it is, by and large, is the result of Christian dehumanization of Jews during the Middle-Ages.

    As for the Oprah Winfrey show, hate to disappoint you…

    http://jewishvoiceandopinion.com/a/JVO20081104.html

    Read the “Ritual Sacrifice” and Abrupt Ending sections of the article.

    You just watched Oprah interview one Ricki Polin, a rather unstable individual who was likely abused as young girl. All she indicates, by and large, is that listening to insane people isn’t the best idea when you’re looking for facts.

    Incidentally, Oprah herself realized (far too late, admittedly) that she wasn’t interviewing a sane person – or someone representing Jews in any form at all, which is why the show was cut before its formal ending.

  108. i luv egypt says:

    @ Roman Kalib;

    “You think that portraying Jews as blood-drinking vampires is funny? Interesting. In Europe, they called it anti-Semitic blood libel. ”

    No it made us laugh because its bloody stupid and retarded. Thats why its funny not because were anti-Semitic. Nope not us baby thats Europe for you. Jews were never portrayed as vampires in the Middle East untill the creation of a Jewish State occording to an idealogy called Zionism. Of course there were very few cases through the whole centuries when jews were questioned about their loyality and suspicious acts. Dont ask me if the Jews really were acting in a suspicious way or the Authority at that time were always suspicous of people that worked behind doors very much like Freemasons. Freemasonary sure did piss off the Vatican. Vatican was the only institute that worked in closes doors away from the public.

  109. i luv egypt says:

    @ Roman Kalib

    “Jewish Kabbalah is equivalent to Sufism in Islam.

    Nope im sorry they are not. Sufism is about peace loving and how musical instrument lift you up from earth to get better connection to GOD. I doubt Kabalah is abou that. Kabalah is way way way more complicated than Sufism. Kabalah is dated back to the Babylonians. And it is quite disturbing to hear many fucked up shit about the Kabalah.

  110. Mohamed,

    Bobby is all over the place :-) the mania is high.

  111. Roman Kalik says:

    @109 i luv egypt:

    Jews were never portrayed as vampires in the Middle East untill the creation of a Jewish State occording to an idealogy called Zionism.

    *shrug* I never did realize how Arabic imitation of European anti-Semitic slurs was in any way rational. At the end of the day, most of them had to do with the ethnic appearance of Jews… to this day, cartoons of Jews with big noses appear in Arabic newspapers with few, if any, realizing how absurd that is.

    As for blood libel in the Middle-East…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_affair
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodes_blood_libel

    Nope im sorry they are not. Sufism is about peace loving and how musical instrument lift you up from earth to get better connection to GOD. I doubt Kabalah is abou that.

    Kabbalah is precisely about understanding the human connection to the Almighty. That, by and large, is the whole point of it. And from talking to actual Sufi Muslims, Sufism’s a bit more than a music instrument… quite a lot more, actually.

    Kabalah is way way way more complicated than Sufism.

    Could be. We Jews are both more systematic and more wildly erratic at this sort of thing. We have generations upon generations of written works, discourses, more written works and *more* discourses based on previous and discourses… certain lines of thought flow apart, then flow together, then flow apart again…

    We’re a fairly complicated bunch, that much is true. For better and for worse.

    Kabalah is dated back to the Babylonians.

    So is Judaism. Your point?

    And it is quite disturbing to hear many fucked up shit about the Kabalah.

    Such as? I’m asking about Jewish Kabbalah, as studied by actual Jews, not various esoteric orders and, cranks, and con-artists who ripped it off over the years to impress the masses with funny-sounding gibberish.

  112. Roman Kalik – it is sad that you do not understand the Word of the Bible but have so many opinions. I am just a simple Christian who follows the teachings of the Bible…..period. I certainly do not hate any soul; I just believe the Word of God.

    “Every believer in the Son possesses everlasting life; but whosoever disregards the Son will not see life, but the wrath of god rests upon him.” John 3:35-36

    “Tell me, Joanne, do you honestly believe that Jews and Judaism are defined by their denial of your Christ, and that alone?” by Roman

    Are you talking about racial Jews or people who refer to themselves as Jewish according to their religion or both? If you are speaking about those who refer to themselves as Jewish according to the religion of today, whether racially Jewish or not, then yes, I would say that they are defined by their denial of Christ being the Son of God…..any other means of defining them is of no consequence because the denial of the Son is the denial of the Father, therefore, will not see life.

    As for your discussion on anti-Semites, you are wholly ignorant on the matter. I myself descend from Shem, so how am I anti-semitic? Jesus was a descendant of the line of Shem, so is he anti-semitic? Many people who call themselves today, Jews, aren’t even of the racial line of Shem, but are of the religion. Perhaps you should read Genesis to gain some clarity in the matter.

    Do not propose to know who I am or how I feel. I love my neighbors, and the keeping of the commandments is witness to this.

    Queen Elizabeth II traces her lineage directly back to King David. Queen Elizabeth II is of the tribe of Judah; she is a racial Jew and a Christian – wrap your brain around that concept, because I am not sure you understand it.

    “I can already guess who “God’s people” are in this context…” by Roman

    God’s people are all those who believe in Him.

    “For God so loved the world that He gave the only-begotten Son, so that every one believing in Him should not be lost, but have eternal life.” John 3:16

  113. “But I don’t believe in the “sins of their father’s crap”…people are responsible for their own behavior…” by Howie

    Howie, I did not state a child is responsible for the father’s sin, but the child is responsible for their own sin. If the father’s sin is that he denies Christ is the Son of God and the child’s sin is that he denies Christ is the Son of God, then they are responsible for their own sin – it just so happens that their sin is the same sin and condemns them both.

    Jesus speaking – John 12:48 “Whoever rejects Me, and will not accept My declarations, is self-condemned; the message which I declared will itself convict him at the last day.”

    Have not the people who declared –

    “Then in reply to him, the whole mass of the people shouted out, “Let His blood be upon us, and upon our children!”” from #94

    condemned themselves? Generations of children have denied Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

  114. And for interest’s sake, I am not a Replacement Theologist – I had to google that one – I’ve never heard of it before. I just believe as the Word teaches, nothing more, and nothing less.

  115. i luv egypt says:

    @ Roman Kalib
    “He’s a Muslim, of the fire and brimstone, “the Prophet promised we will kill those apes and pigs in the end” variety – something he actually referred to when talking with I Luv Egypt, who is also a Muslim by his own words.”

    True i am Muslim but you just fucked by saying i refered to Jews as Apes and Pigs which i defintly did not.

    Actuallyy if you look at my comment #82 in the (LOST GOD OF Palastine), “How can you accuse an Imam of being extreme if he is telling the truth (Of course what i mean by saying the truth is the inhumane treatment of IDF not the jews are pigs and apes crap)”

    @Craig:
    “And by the way, I LUV EGYPT is a fake persona… nobody talks like that, he’s obviously trying to disguise his style so nobody recognizes him from a different account. He’s trying to sound “ghetto” in typing, which of course nobody does lol”

    Craig trust me i do speak like that. I only started to view this blog 2006 when i found this site by mistake on google. I type ghetto because simply i am not botherd typing properly. THis aint no assignment i have to admit. My writting standards here is the same on MSN and txt msging. So please stop talking shit. i would swear to you i am not who you think i am but we believe in different Gods.

    So now i have proven that you talk shit and im afraid now we are starting to doubt ur conversation validity!
    Btw my gran father is originally a Morocan jewish immigrant and he converted. I am proud of my background and obviously i wouldnt call jews pigs and Apes because i know for a fact i am not a pig or an Ape, my father can afford mirrors. Thank you Roman Kalib for talking shit.

    @ Roman Kalib
    “to this day, cartoons of Jews with big noses appear in Arabic newspapers with few, if any, realizing how absurd that is.”

    loool @ Roman. Hypocracy should be listed as a criminal offence so people like you would stop doing so. My friend please do not talk about Cartoons!!! you know wat i am talking about..

    People of this blog, Roman Kalib just admited how “absurd” dehumanizing a race or religion in “cartoons”. All his words not mine. Yet it is fucking okay for Danish people to portray the propher Mohamed PBUH, muslim men and women. Nope the excuse was “freedom of Speech”. Then i guess what the Syrians do is okay? right??? am i missing sumting here? Cuz it seems freedom of speech is the reason for any insults to non jews. shhhh, hey, on the low, if it attempts to come any close to jews either cartoons or comedy stand ups reffering to the Holocust its a no no.

    As a matter of fact, i have a wonderful video that explains this obvious hypocracy that was discussed in a french talk show.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9NCkBLUFp0

    The people who posted this video may have other posts that are a bit dodgy, but picked this film because it simply shows you fact and obvious hypocracy where the french host of a talk show condems a comedian for using Holocusts in his jokes which ended his career, while the SAME host was arguing with a french gentlemen over the Danish cartoon. The french host said Danish cartoons are okay bcuz we have freedom of speech while the french gentlemen argued how there should be respect along with freedom of speech. This talk show a believe start 3 minutes from playing. Skip the first part and jump to this part or watch the whole thing. Roman Kalib you have proven that u r as hypocritical as that french host.

    Now the real question, why do we condem and end people’s career if they think of even talking about jews or Israel while it is okay to call Arabs terrorist, sand niggers (in hollywood movies) and “the race that needs to be wiped off the earth!” Did you ever think how does that make me or us feel?? Shame on Jews of the world today for their obvious hypocracy. Its interesting how Allah always reminded of us of the hypocrits in our daily life. Mashalah im learning new stuff about Islam everyday by simply meeting people like you. Thank you Roman Kalib for making my faith stronger, thank you.

  116. “True i am Muslim but you just fucked by saying i refered to Jews as Apes and Pigs which i defintly did not. ”

    you keep writing ‘kalib’ instead of kalik which just happens to sound like the word for dog in arabic and also happens to be an insult.

  117. i luv egypt says:

    is that right anon….please enlighten me

  118. Roman Kalik says:

    @113 Joanne:

    Roman Kalik – it is sad that you do not understand the Word of the Bible but have so many opinions.

    If by “understand” you mean “share your interpretation of it as the only possible one” then yes, I don’t. And that’s in its application to Christians, who have a myriad of denominations, dogmas, and sometimes have rather central variations on central issues to Christianity.

    In fact, so far, it seems that I’m more familiar with Christianity as a whole (rather than one single, narrow approach within it) than you are. And I’m not even Christian.

    I am just a simple Christian who follows the teachings of the Bible…..period. I certainly do not hate any soul; I just believe the Word of God.

    Well, yes. The Word of the Almighty as you were taught it to be – apparently, you were also taught that it excludes pretty much everyone who doesn’t attend your own particular church.

    You don’t hate any souls – you just patronize them from that aloof, supremacist position of being the only one in the world who Knows the Truth. Which is quite worse, I assure you.

    I would say that they are defined by their denial of Christ being the Son of God…..any other means of defining them is of no consequence because the denial of the Son is the denial of the Father, therefore, will not see life.

    So, basically, from your rather narrow point of view, Jews and Judaism are only worth defining based on them not being Christians yet? See my previous comment with regards to reducing that which you prefer not knowing about to a footnote to your Glory. And of course, in that narrow-minded little world of yours, we’re all going to go bathe in Hellfire soon, eh?

    The Hells must be filled to the brim…

    As for your discussion on anti-Semites, you are wholly ignorant on the matter. I myself descend from Shem, so how am I anti-semitic?

    …you yourself are descended from Shem, eh? Your further comments on the Royal House of Britain already imply to me how you see that particular matter…

    As for your question about how you’re anti-Semitic… I wouldn’t know, Joanne. Really I wouldn’t. After all, you start with attempting to redefine the meaning of anti-Semitism to apply to any and every member of a Semitic ethnic ancestry, rather than the rather specific Semitic group to which it was applied in Germany as the term gained use…

    Then you define my entire faith based on it not accepting yours, damn any and every member of it to eternal Hellfire based on a couple of paragraphs you seem to believe are central to Christian thought, further continue with playing Racial Jewish Theory in some rather odd attempt at defining the “true” ethnicity of Jews today…

    You know, funny thing is, a Jew from Morocco, a Jew from Poland, and a Jew from Ethiopia share more genes together than they rightly should… has something to do with the fact that Jews, by and large, lived in insular communities separated from the larger community by institutionalized discrimination, and don’t have anything resembling the missionary traditions of Christianity. Jews accepted very few converts over the millenniums – we don’t encourage them. We don’t believe that it’s required of the people of this world to share the accept the burdens of Judaism.

    Do not propose to know who I am or how I feel. I love my neighbors, and the keeping of the commandments is witness to this.

    And we don’t, Joanne? You forget to whom the Ten Commandments were given in the first place.

    Queen Elizabeth II traces her lineage directly back to King David. Queen Elizabeth II is of the tribe of Judah; she is a racial Jew and a Christian – wrap your brain around that concept, because I am not sure you understand it.

    And this is where we come to British Israelism, quite possibly the stupidest Christian theology to emerge in the last three centuries.

    I understand the concept, Joanne – I was familiar with it before you brought it up here. I’m familiar with its very shaky analysis of history, where it claims that the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel migrated to England. I’m familiar with the vague analysis of the Royal Line of Britain… which doesn’t actually have a *single* line, in that the Houses were cut off on several occasions in British and English history… I’m even familiar with the analysis of the British Royal Coat of Arms by those who believe that the Lion Rampant is in fact the Lion of Judah…

    *sigh* So few British know the old arts of heraldry these days… Richard Lionheart would have been so obviously amused that gules three lions passant guardant or became the Lion of Judah… Or at least the herald who did his arms would have been amused.

    God’s people are all those who believe in Him.

    And obviously, you and yours are the only ones who do.

    And for interest’s sake, I am not a Replacement Theologist – I had to google that one – I’ve never heard of it before. I just believe as the Word teaches, nothing more, and nothing less.

    Well *yes*, you’re not a Replacement Theologian – that would be someone who debates the nuances of it within the Christian faith, and how it affects Christianity.

    You’re merely someone who blindly believes in Replacement Theology without even knowing what it is in the first place. It was part of the Word you were taught believe so blindly in.

    @117 i luv egypt:

    Roman Kalib

    As anon so kindly noted, and which I already previously implied, it doesn’t quite sound as a typo, no does it? And tell me… did you honestly think that you were being clever with the insult? Did you forget how similar Hebrew and Arabic are, or did you just never bother finding out?

    Petty insults just make you look childish – like my little brother, who is so obsessed with calling kids he doesn’t like kelev ben kelev. Or kalb ibn kalb, in your neck of the woods.

    True i am Muslim but you just fucked by saying i refered to Jews as Apes and Pigs which i defintly did not.

    Read my words again. I was merely referring to you as a Muslim, nothing more. I referred to Sand Ape as being the Muslim of the “Jews are apes and pigs” variety, not you.

    loool @ Roman. Hypocracy should be listed as a criminal offence so people like you would stop doing so. My friend please do not talk about Cartoons!!! you know wat i am talking about..

    Is that so? I’m Danish now, am I? Hehe.

    In any case, I was merely referring to the absurd manner of Arab cartoonists to portray Jews in the old anti-Semitic manner – big noses and all – without actually looking in the mirror and realizing just how silly that is, with how those racial slurs apply to them as well.

    But now that you’ve brought up the Danish cartoons, I can’t help but applaud the Muslim reaction worldwide – violent protests, vandalism, several cases of murder in the vein of the nuns in Indonesia…

    You do realize that you guys did more to validate the claims made in the cartoons than the cartoonists themselves ever intended?

    Now the real question, why do we condem and end people’s career if they think of even talking about jews or Israel while it is okay to call Arabs terrorist

    Saying that all Arabs or all Muslims are terrorists is indeed a racist and bigoted statement. But ignoring the fact that in our generation, terrorism and fanaticism is very widespread within Islam will achieve nothing beyond strengthening it by pretending it doesn’t exist.

    sand niggers (in hollywood movies) and “the race that needs to be wiped off the earth!”

    Hollywood movies, eh? Which Hollywood movies were those? And you do realize that the people who invented the slur “sand nigger” were the same ones who invented “kike”?

    In any case, you’re wildly over-blowing the actual extent of anti-Arabic and anti-Islamic racism and bigotry.

    Thank you Roman Kalib for making my faith stronger, thank you.

    Yes… says the man who can’t mention my name without turning it into an insult… Truly, you are a paragon of Islam.

  119. Roman Kalik says:

    Oh, bother. Sorry for not closing the tag properly… I’m re-posting the above with the tags made properly.

  120. Roman Kalik says:

    @113 Joanne:

    Roman Kalik – it is sad that you do not understand the Word of the Bible but have so many opinions.

    If by “understand” you mean “share your interpretation of it as the only possible one” then yes, I don’t. And that’s in its application to Christians, who have a myriad of denominations, dogmas, and sometimes have rather central variations on central issues to Christianity.

    In fact, so far, it seems that I’m more familiar with Christianity as a whole (rather than one single, narrow approach within it) than you are. And I’m not even Christian.

    I am just a simple Christian who follows the teachings of the Bible…..period. I certainly do not hate any soul; I just believe the Word of God.

    Well, yes. The Word of the Almighty as you were taught it to be – apparently, you were also taught that it excludes pretty much everyone who doesn’t attend your own particular church.

    You don’t hate any souls – you just patronize them from that aloof, supremacist position of being the only one in the world who Knows the Truth. Which is quite worse, I assure you.

    I would say that they are defined by their denial of Christ being the Son of God…..any other means of defining them is of no consequence because the denial of the Son is the denial of the Father, therefore, will not see life.

    So, basically, from your rather narrow point of view, Jews and Judaism are only worth defining based on them not being Christians yet? See my previous comment with regards to reducing that which you prefer not knowing about to a footnote to your Glory. And of course, in that narrow-minded little world of yours, we’re all going to go bathe in Hellfire soon, eh?

    The Hells must be filled to the brim…

    As for your discussion on anti-Semites, you are wholly ignorant on the matter. I myself descend from Shem, so how am I anti-semitic?

    …you yourself are descended from Shem, eh? Your further comments on the Royal House of Britain already imply to me how you see that particular matter…

    As for your question about how you’re anti-Semitic… I wouldn’t know, Joanne. Really I wouldn’t. After all, you start with attempting to redefine the meaning of anti-Semitism to apply to any and every member of a Semitic ethnic ancestry, rather than the rather specific Semitic group to which it was applied in Germany as the term gained use…

    Then you define my entire faith based on it not accepting yours, damn any and every member of it to eternal Hellfire based on a couple of paragraphs you seem to believe are central to Christian thought, further continue with playing Racial Jewish Theory in some rather odd attempt at defining the “true” ethnicity of Jews today…

    You know, funny thing is, a Jew from Morocco, a Jew from Poland, and a Jew from Ethiopia share more genes together than they rightly should… has something to do with the fact that Jews, by and large, lived in insular communities separated from the larger community by institutionalized discrimination, and don’t have anything resembling the missionary traditions of Christianity. Jews accepted very few converts over the millenniums – we don’t encourage them. We don’t believe that it’s required of the people of this world to share the accept the burdens of Judaism.

    Do not propose to know who I am or how I feel. I love my neighbors, and the keeping of the commandments is witness to this.

    And we don’t, Joanne? You forget to whom the Ten Commandments were given in the first place.

    Queen Elizabeth II traces her lineage directly back to King David. Queen Elizabeth II is of the tribe of Judah; she is a racial Jew and a Christian – wrap your brain around that concept, because I am not sure you understand it.

    And this is where we come to British Israelism, quite possibly the stupidest Christian theology to emerge in the last three centuries.

    I understand the concept, Joanne – I was familiar with it before you brought it up here. I’m familiar with its very shaky analysis of history, where it claims that the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel migrated to England. I’m familiar with the vague analysis of the Royal Line of Britain… which doesn’t actually have a *single* line, in that the Houses were cut off on several occasions in British and English history… I’m even familiar with the analysis of the British Royal Coat of Arms by those who believe that the Lion Rampant is in fact the Lion of Judah…

    *sigh* So few British know the old arts of heraldry these days… Richard Lionheart would have been so obviously amused that gules three lions passant guardant or became the Lion of Judah… Or at least the herald who did his arms would have been amused.

    God’s people are all those who believe in Him.

    And obviously, you and yours are the only ones who do.

    And for interest’s sake, I am not a Replacement Theologist – I had to google that one – I’ve never heard of it before. I just believe as the Word teaches, nothing more, and nothing less.

    Well *yes*, you’re not a Replacement Theologian – that would be someone who debates the nuances of it within the Christian faith, and how it affects Christianity.

    You’re merely someone who blindly believes in Replacement Theology without even knowing what it is in the first place. It was part of the Word you were taught believe so blindly in.

    @117 i luv egypt:

    Roman Kalib

    As anon so kindly noted, and which I already previously implied, it doesn’t quite sound as a typo, now does it? And tell me… did you honestly think that you were being clever with the insult? Did you forget how similar Hebrew and Arabic are, or did you just never bother finding out?

    Petty insults just make you look childish – like my little brother, who is so obsessed with calling kids he doesn’t like kelev ben kelev. Or kalb ibn kalb, in your neck of the woods.

    True i am Muslim but you just fucked by saying i refered to Jews as Apes and Pigs which i defintly did not.

    Read my words again. I was merely referring to you as a Muslim, nothing more. I referred to Sand Ape as being the Muslim of the “Jews are apes and pigs” variety, not you.

    loool @ Roman. Hypocracy should be listed as a criminal offence so people like you would stop doing so. My friend please do not talk about Cartoons!!! you know wat i am talking about..

    Is that so? I’m Danish now, am I? Hehe.

    In any case, I was merely referring to the absurd manner of Arab cartoonists to portray Jews in the old anti-Semitic manner – big noses and all – without actually looking in the mirror and realizing just how silly that is, with how those racial slurs apply to them as well.

    But now that you’ve brought up the Danish cartoons, I can’t help but applaud the Muslim reaction worldwide – violent protests, vandalism, several cases of murder in the vein of the nuns in Indonesia…

    You do realize that you guys did more to validate the claims made in the cartoons than the cartoonists themselves ever intended?

    Now the real question, why do we condem and end people’s career if they think of even talking about jews or Israel while it is okay to call Arabs terrorist

    Saying that all Arabs or all Muslims are terrorists is indeed a racist and bigoted statement. But ignoring the fact that in our generation, terrorism and fanaticism is very widespread within Islam will achieve nothing beyond strengthening it by pretending it doesn’t exist.

    sand niggers (in hollywood movies) and “the race that needs to be wiped off the earth!”

    Hollywood movies, eh? Which Hollywood movies were those? And you do realize that the people who invented the slur “sand nigger” were the same ones who invented “kike”?

    In any case, you’re wildly over-blowing the actual extent of anti-Arabic and anti-Islamic racism and bigotry.

    Thank you Roman Kalib for making my faith stronger, thank you.

    Yes… says the man who can’t mention my name without turning it into an insult… Truly, you are a paragon of Islam.

  121. ” You do know right, that to assert property claims over real estate after the lapse of more than 2000 years with the same certainty of title as if one resided there yesterday is a disease of the mind”

    Kick the Arabs out of Zion and wait two thousand years. What is the disease of the mind is to believe that squatters own the land no matter how long they have been squatting on some one else’s land. Say when the are the Arabs going to get out of Kurdistan, Darfur and everywhere they have illegally occupied. Practice what you preach.

  122. i luv egypt says:

    @Roman Kali”k”

    Roman kalik yes i am childish for calling you a kalib but thats because i know how hebrew is very similiar to Arabic. I actually know that Hebrew is te orginin of Arabic. Just like latin to europe and latin to phonecians. I read it all, dont underestimate my historical knowledge.Roman Kalik.

    Roman Kalik you still do not see what i mean by hypocracy that most jews follow. As much as you hate being called a jews which also offends me personally, i hate it when they call Arabs and Muslim terrorists because i know for a fact they are not. Yes people responded in an extreme way which i condem and never supported. My idea was to act and behaive better. But on the real tho, sumtin had to happen. We had enough of tha bad portray of Arab/Muslims over the last century which was imposed on the young mass through your media. Lets not argue about media because i have been studying it for the last year and half plus my own research.

    Okay my question is, why does it seem to be okay that the media dehumanize Arabs/Muslim while the authority will condem anybody who messes with the jews image or even question the numbers that died in the holocust??? I also believe there is an insitute to protect jews image in America, just cant remember its name but i know that it a whole black of building, good on yall tho we need one like that. You have seen the link that i have sent you right.?? Please answer my question…

    @Roman Kalik:
    “But now that you’ve brought up the Danish cartoons, I can’t help but applaud the Muslim reaction worldwide – violent protests, vandalism, several cases of murder in the vein of the nuns in Indonesia…”

    You say MUslims over reacted to the cartoons using violence. Dont you think Israel did the same by killing more than 1300 Gazans and injuring 4500 civilianz? When Israel broke the cease fire on NOvember when they “thought” (here where the over reaction comes) that 8 Hamas militants at the Egyptian border not Israeli, to help smuggle some weak egyptian made Ak-47 or kitchen-made rockets into GAza and it was “appearent” how this might affect Israel’s stability. Dont you think this assumption that caused the breaking of a cease fire and the death of thousands was an over reaction?

    By the way i believe they killed only one nun in Somalia not Indosia but i wouldnt be surprized.

    @Roman Kalik
    “Hollywood movies, eh? Which Hollywood movies were those? And you do realize that the people who invented the slur “sand nigger” were the same ones who invented “kike”?”

    OOh man thanks for asking this question. Where do i start,hmm how about you watch this award winning documentry and know exactly what i mean. Dont worry it is not boring at all. Its actually filled with interesting facts and soundtracks in the back i know you will enjoy. You know watch you got nothing to loose like i said it is interesting and does relate to any consipracy documentries that we have seen before. ENOY

    http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=47886

    And if it does not work with you, try downloading Zango if not botherd then watch it on you tube put it will be on parts unlike the first link which plays the whol movie.

    Here is the 1st part for the HOW HOLLYWOOD VILIVIES A PEOPLE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1-Bbz_TBMc

    ROMAN KALIK, i am sure this will answer your question, maybe even understand your own perception of Arabs and many Westerners. Tell me what you think..

  123. Cuban bob,

    @ your 2000 year squatter theory, well the ancient Egyptians were the first to ever step foot on that land, so Hebrew squatters – fuck off now & forever please! We want it back because it is rightfully ours. oh and BTW, we will still give it to the Palestinians!

  124. Roman Kalik says:

    @123 Sand Ape:

    Firstly, thank you for finally stopping with the repeated insults.

    Yes people responded in an extreme way which i condem and never supported. My idea was to act and behaive better. But on the real tho, sumtin had to happen.

    *sigh* So a small set of cartoon in a tiny, backwater newspaper in Denmark was the cause of blood and death, and you find that it was somehow understandable. You don’t agree with the method, but you still accept the events.

    Don’t you realize how absurd that whole event was? How this pathetic, Angry Arab response feeds the stereotypes more than anything else? It’s not a solution to anything. Quite the contrary.

    You just make the problems a lot worse.

    OOh man thanks for asking this question. Where do i start,hmm how about you watch this award winning documentry and know exactly what i mean. Dont worry it is not boring at all. Its actually filled with interesting facts and soundtracks in the back i know you will enjoy. You know watch you got nothing to loose like i said it is interesting and does relate to any consipracy documentries that we have seen before. ENOY

    ROMAN KALIK, i am sure this will answer your question, maybe even understand your own perception of Arabs and many Westerners. Tell me what you think..

    So yeah, I watched the documentary. Pretty well made, though heavily tainted with a preconceived notion on the issue… so heavily, in fact, that I had to laugh at some of the mentions of movies brought to show “bad arabs” in a stereotypical manner. I’m afraid that, being an Arab himself, Jack Shaheen had a noticeable personal stake in this matter – a bit too personal, even.

    Noticeable is the lack of several major movies from Shaheen’s documentary – they’re noticeable in that they’re of a far greater caliber than four-fifths of the movies Shaheen brings as examples of racist stereotypes, and these movies give a rather positive view of Arabs and Muslims. Want a few names?

    Lawrence of Arabia. The 13th Warrior. Kingdom of Heaven. Even Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves and Rambo III. Rambo, the very definition of dumb action movies, had a positive image of Afghan Mujaheddin, for crying out loud…

    Want recent movies? Pitch Black and Chronicles of Riddick, two sci-fi/action movies with Vin Diesel, had several very positive portrayals of Muslims – the central being Imam Abu al-Walid.

    Shaheen commits a double fallacy when he takes movies enacting the very myths, legends, and folk tales of Arab and Muslim lands – One Thousand and One Nights, mate. While I accept his argument regarding Orientalism in Europe of the late 19th century, Shaheen still takes it to a much farther, and more sinister, point of view.

    By the way, are you familiar with the movie Mohammad, Messenger of God? It was a movie made in 1977 as an rather nice introductory to Islamic history, directed simultaneously with a Western English and Middle-Eastern Arabic cast to give it a better feel to both audiences it was intended to.

    You know what happened to that nice movie when it finally had its US premier? A group of Islamist terrorists took a Washington Jewish community center hostage and threatened to start killing people if the movie was aired. They thought the movie would give Mohammad a bad image, thus insulting Islam…

    I wonder, who insulted Islam more when that happened?

    So 1970′s movies had Arab and Islamic villains instead, to parallel the wave of Arab Nationalist and Islamic terrorism of that time. It was a rather high-time period for both the Muslim Brotherhood’s violent activities and of PLO offshoots as well. Planes were being hijacked pretty much every months back then…

    And remember the part from Delta Force shown in the documentary? Where the Arab terrorists ask to separate people with Israeli passports and Jewish names from the other passengers? That was based on a true event – the hijacking of Air France Flight 139, June 27th, 1976. The prevalent imagery of the Arab and Muslim villain in films from the 70′s and early 80′s were firmly based in the events of that time. Shaheen ignores that. He doesn’t mention it. It never happened in his world.

    Instead, he goes on to The Cannon Group, which accounts for a large percentage of the movies he brings as an example…

    B-rated and C-rated, low budget, crap movies which no one watched. He himself probably made a noticeable increase to the profits of those films.

    The rest? I question his focus. A noticeable percentage of the movies he brought didn’t have an actual anti-Arab slant – they had a wide array of Arab characters, most of whom were far from evil or comic. Aladdin was 100% Arab characters, and it didn’t have docile and servile females… and I find it rather funny that Shaheen focuses on the villains of the story, without realizing that the *heroes* were also Arabs! All of them! To the last man, woman, and child.

    He objects to the portrayal of cruel and inhumane punishments meted out in Arabic countries during the early Middle-Ages, which was implied in the Disney film? They existed. Remnants of them exist to this actual day in Saudi-Arabia and Iran. Any and every movie featuring *Christian European* locales in the Middle Ages mentions cruel and inhumane punishments they had over there as well! Should we then discuss the anti-Christian or anti-European slant in Hollywood because it has violent guardsmen, hooded fat executioners, and the Spanish Inquisition, based on that?

    Heck no.

    Shaheen seems to think that if we portray a single Arab badly in a movie, then we must hate them, regardless of all other characters in the movie. Indiana Jones had an Egyptian character as one of the secondary leads, one of the most positive characters in the movies, and what Shaheen does? He focuses on a five-second comic relief section and calls it racism.

    Yes, Hollywood can be simplistic, cliche, stereotypical and even racist. Yes, it’s movies of faraway lands aren’t exactly accurate portrayals. But Shaheen’s portrayal of it all is slanted beyond belief, downright ignorant, and biased beyond measure. He had some very good points about the view of Arabs as inherited from Orientalism, but then he drowned it all with selective evidence to prove what was, to him, a preconceived notion. And then he added penny-a-line political analysis into the mix, which just made it worse.

  125. Israel tries to present excuses for executing kids and making others orphans, how vile!

    I and the Public know
    What all school children learn,
    Those to whom Evil is done
    Do Evil in return.

    W.H. Auden

  126. Roman – there is only one truth, and like you said you are not even a Christian, but you propose to know everything about the Bible. Why don’t you read the Bible, and then give an opinion; otherwise, you are just an opinionated ignoramous. And believe me, I do not suggest that I think of myself as better in any shape or form than anyone else. I am just interested in the truth, and it is unfortunate so many are blind, but God wills it at this time, until he opens everyones’ eyes.

    “I’m familiar with its very shaky analysis of history, where it claims that the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel migrated to England.” by Roman

    Actually, this is wholly inaccurate. In actuality, the members of 12 tribes are lost, but they will be joined together in the future. They did not all immigrate to England…..see this is what you get when you have so little of an understanding of a matter, but still propose to know so much.

    So you are a Jew, Roman – a racial or a Jew through belief? Where is your King or your Queen? Does God lie? It is unfortunate that your belief or lack of belief in Christ condemns you, but they are not my words, but God’s.

    Many Judeans have converted to Christianity. Where is your Messiah? It will surely be a long wait for you if you believe He has not yet come? Good luck.

  127. And by the way Roman, I am not your enemy – your biggest enemy is yourself.

  128. Are you ever arrogant. You know, a muslim would say you are a non-believer. I bet you both are wrong. And you better hope that the G-d, whomever he may be, is a lot more decent than you and can forgive how absolutely vile, hateful and self-righteous you and your beliefs are. I have been reading Roman’s comments for years. He is intelligent, kind and calm beyond belief!!

  129. Roman Kalik says:

    @127 Joanne:

    Roman – there is only one truth, and like you said you are not even a Christian, but you propose to know everything about the Bible.

    There’s a rather amusing presumption here. I don’t know *everything* about anything at all, Joanne. Anyone who claims to is just arrogant enough to know nothing at all.

    I know more than enough to know that you and yours are 0.01% of the whole Christian faith, though.

    And believe me, I do not suggest that I think of myself as better in any shape or form than anyone else. I am just interested in the truth, and it is unfortunate so many are blind, but God wills it at this time, until he opens everyones’ eyes.

    So, you’re not better than anyone… and yet everyone other than you and yours is blind, damned…

    You don’t even see the contradiction in your words, do you.

    Actually, this is wholly inaccurate. In actuality, the members of 12 tribes are lost, but they will be joined together in the future. They did not all immigrate to England…..see this is what you get when you have so little of an understanding of a matter, but still propose to know so much.

    Joanne, I hate to break it to you… but even that claim varies depending on which British Israelite congregation you happen to belong to.

    So you are a Jew, Roman – a racial or a Jew through belief? Where is your King or your Queen? Does God lie?

    I am a Jew, Joanne. There is no distinction between the two concepts you mention for a religious Jew – we are born into our faith, and any convert, scarce though they are, is adopted into the Jewish people.

    King? Queen? Our royal line is dead, our kingdoms scattered, our Temple destroyed and desecrated… So we wait, for prophesies and promises made to be fulfilled.

    We’ve been waiting for some time now. But we’re patient.

    It is unfortunate that your belief or lack of belief in Christ condemns you, but they are not my words, but God’s.

    No, Joanne… It is merely your belief, nothing more, nothing less.

    Many Judeans have converted to Christianity.

    No, Joanne. Your early Christians went off to Spread the Word in the more central provinces of the Roman Empire, leaving the remnants of the Judeans, those not slaughtered by the Roman legions, to rot. Then they came back to oppress them once the Roman Empire became Christian.

    But you know… throughout centuries of oppression, forced conversions, mass expulsions and institutionalized torture… throughout all those times, Christians didn’t pretend that the Jews living among them weren’t actual Jews. They called them heretical, Satan-worshipers, Christ-deniers and Christ-killers, but all that time… they didn’t pretend to be the actual descendants of Judea themselves.

    Where is your Messiah? It will surely be a long wait for you if you believe He has not yet come? Good luck.

    We’ve waited for two thousand years. We can wait a few more, don’t you worry.

  130. Roman Kalik says:

    @129 Karen:

    I have been reading Roman’s comments for years. He is intelligent, kind and calm beyond belief!!

    Thank you, Karen.

  131. I specifically recall RK losing it on a few people who stuck it to him like it is. what would you expect of an Israeli Jew, they point rifles at toddlers etc?

  132. Then again if a homeless guy were mistakenly given a house on a plot of land that his ancestors once stayed on, then suddenly the IRS came and informed this homeless guy he must vacate the land due to back taxes that the builder never paid. Naturally, the homeless guy will take up arms to stay in the house and even adopt some pretty disturbing beliefs to stay on the land.

  133. Ok so maybe you repented and reverted back to true Judaism. So if that in fact is true, then let me ask you about these prophecies you and your people are waiting for RK?

    I love this part of the conversation where it turns out that real Jews and Real Muslims and Real Christians are waiting for exactly the same thing. Although each religion emphasizes a few things from the other. It essentially means they all believe in the same thing, a believer is a believer, no matter what race or creed you are. But they all just take different roads to get to the same place.

    Muslims will say since they are the later of all 3 religions, then effectually the former 2 are Muslims but they don’t know it yet.

    Jesus was not an impostor and neither was Mohamed. To deny their existence is why Israel is still waiting all these millennium for their prophecies to come true.

  134. Roman Kalik says:

    @134 Sand Ape:

    So if that in fact is true, then let me ask you about these prophecies you and your people are waiting for RK?

    Judging by the rest of your reply, you have at least a basic familiarity with Jewish prophesies and beliefs on the matter. So what would be the point in replying to the question?

    Muslims will say since they are the later of all 3 religions, then effectually the former 2 are Muslims but they don’t know it yet.

    Yes, I am familiar with that belief in Islam. The concept shares similar trends with Christian beliefs on the matter of Judaism being null and void after Jesus’ crucifixion.

    Islam takes the path of taking over the past of the other two faiths in question. It asserts that Jews and Christians were once Muslims (in that Islam defines itself in true adherence to the Almighty) who had since strayed, corrupted the teachings of their prophets, and altered their holy texts.

    No only do I not share that belief, I consider it to be one of the reasons for how badly Muslims treated Christians and Jews over the years. Islam may assert that one mustn’t bother, and give some respect, to Judaism and Christianity… but at the same time, it also asserts that they are corrupt. That they lie to themselves. That one shouldn’t listen to them too much lest they corrupt the True Believers, as well.

    Jesus was not an impostor and neither was Mohamed. To deny their existence is why Israel is still waiting all these millennium for their prophecies to come true.

    *shrug* By the same reasoning, I could argue that Islam failed in restoring its Great Caliphate because Muslims do not give proper respect to the Peoples of the Book.

  135. You’re welcome, Roman :)

  136. i luv egypt says:

    @ Roman Kalik
    “Lawrence of Arabia. The 13th Warrior. Kingdom of Heaven. Even Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves and Rambo III. Rambo, the very definition of dumb action movies, had a positive image of Afghan Mujaheddin, for crying out loud…”

    Jack shaheen is not bias but objective just like any media should be. He did mention the good movies that portray Arabs like kingdom of Heaven. So you did not enlighten us with a new fact here contradicting the documentry. Yes Rambo 3 has a postive image of Afgan Mujaheddin, but did you ask your self why??? Who were the Americans fighting at that time? Who was the CIA funding at that time.? Not only Afgan Mujaheddin were shown in a good image in Rmabo 3 at that time, the president of the USA launched a satelleitte and dedicated to the “freedom fighters” of Afganistan. Remember the hypocrits called terrorist “freedom fighterts” at that time because they were used as lab rats setting off communist land mines. Mujahdeen was helping to fight america’s war at that time. Where did i see the president dedicating the satelliete to Mujahedeen? It was in another documentry “Power of the Nightmares” which i advice to watch.

    Btw Roman Kalik i dont disagree with some arguemens that you tackled following the Jack shaheen’s film. Watch “Power of the Nightmares” and tel me what you think

    I know i watch a lot of documentries more than i read. Thats because its dar more fun when there is music and motion scences. Plus its easy to understand believe a point discusse in a documentry knowing that the quotes are coming from that person’s mouth. Lets say a politician’s speech.

    And fuck si wrong wid u still not responding to my first question

    Okay my question is, why does it seem to be okay that the media dehumanize Arabs/Muslim while the authority will condem anybody who messes with the jews image or even question the numbers that died in the holocust??? I also believe there is an insitute to protect jews image in America, just cant remember its name but i know that it a whole black of building, good on yall tho we need one like that. You have seen the link that i have sent you right.?? Please answer my question…

  137. Karen – I’m arrogant? Roman proposes to know so much, but know’s so little about what he speaks. He may be a wonderful guy, but proposing to know so much about Christianity and even myself, stating that I am a Replacement Theologist, is where the arrogance lies….not in myself. I am a Christian, if you would like to know what I believe, then open your Bible and pray for assistance and wisdom in understanding the Word. I could care less what Roman believes, he is free to do so, but he shouldn’t propose to tell me what I believe….therein arrogance lies.

  138. “It is unfortunate that your belief or lack of belief in Christ condemns you, but they are not my words, but God’s.

    No, Joanne… It is merely your belief, nothing more, nothing less.”

    John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

    John 8:58-59 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

  139. Roman, show me where I said I know everything about the Bible – a quote please. I certainly do not believe I could even claim to know even a sliver of the truth in the Bible, so do not propose that I think this.

    “There is no distinction between the two concepts you mention for a religious Jew – we are born into our faith, and any convert, scarce though they are, is adopted into the Jewish people.” by Roman

    Wrong. A Jew/Judean is the name given to the people of the racial tribe of Judah or the Kingdom of Judah, not to a religion that denies Jesus Christ as the Son of God. The Jewish religion can be made up of any person of any race, and it is, although racial Jews are certainly members too. Roman, you sound like today’s version of a Zionist Jew, which many other members of the Jewish religion oppose, vehemently. Sorry, people are not born into a faith in truth…..not those of the Jewish religion and not Muslims, either; they can think they are and force the issue, but in truth, everyone is free or should be free to decide for themselves.

    “Then they came back to oppress them once the Roman Empire became Christian.” by Roman

    Your thinking is so off base. If I had the time, I would help you to understand, but if you equate Christianity with the Roman Empire and the Pope, it would take a little too much time. Please do not think that being a Christian and believing the Word – both Old and new Testaments – has anything to do with the Pagan practices of the Roman Catholic church. I do not have any issue with Christians of any denomination, but I certainly have issues with the Pagan beliefs of the RC Church and their Pope.

    “We’ve waited for two thousand years. We can wait a few more, don’t you worry.” by Roman

    But what about the long wait after that? Do you not believe that the prophesies spoken of by the prophets in the Old Testament are speaking to the days we live in now? It will be too late when Christ returns. I can only hope you are called and your eyes are opened before then. Is this arrogance? No, this is love for my fellow man. I believe the Word; therefore, you should know this to be true that all should be saved and none lost. You needn’t worry about the Christian I am, for you are my brother, and I love my brothers and keep the Commandments…..God have mercy on me if I fail to do so.

    “They called them heretical, Satan-worshipers, Christ-deniers and Christ-killers, but all that time… they didn’t pretend to be the actual descendants of Judea themselves.” by Roman

    I know well enough how many people of the Jewish religion slaughtered Christians, so please spare me about the persecution of the people of the Jewish religion. I do not condone the persecution of anyone of any faith. I do not pretend to be an actual descendant of the 12 Tribes of Israel; I know I am, and all believers in Christ are brothers together, whether a racial Israelite or not. Are you a descendant of the tribe of Judah or of another race who has claimed to be a Jew?

    If you didn’t believe what you believe to be the absolute truth, you would be a liar, but I am not a liar; I believe what I believe to be the truth. I also believe God gave people the free will to choose to believe the Word or not, and I certainly believe that if God has given people the right to choose, then who am I to beg differently.

    I should mention that ‘Jewish’ historians and greatly-respected ‘Jewish’ religious men believe as I do and are not in denial of what is written in the Bible. The New Testament does not change what the Old Testament states, but rather reinforces the truth.

  140. reader – you quoted biblical verses…interesting considering you state the Word of God is only my belief, but the quotes condemn those who do not accept Christ. Yes, I know that I believe the Word of God, but it is that Word that condemns those who deny Christ….they are not mine. Yes, I believe it to be so, but please do not give credit where credit is not due…….I am certainly not worthy.

  141. Roman, have you ever asked yourself why you do not accept Jesus Christ to be the Messiah, even though prophecy was fulfilled to the letter?

  142. Joanne, those weren’t my words, the whole ‘comment’ is made up of quotes.

  143. There a many paths to G-d Joanne. I don’t care what your Bible says. It is very arrogant to think that only “Christians” know the true G-d. Many religions existed before Jesus and new ones were formed after him. If you want to believe that everyone who does not believe exactly as you is condemned, than go ahead. It doesn’t affect me one bit. But it makes you look like a self-righteous bigot!

  144. “There a many paths to G-d.”

    Is that a quote from G-d or are you acting as his unoffical spokesperson?

  145. That’s my opinion as someone who respects other people’s beliefs and their right to have those beliefs. Who am I to tell someone that what they believe in is wrong?

  146. okay, it’s just that you stated it as a fact and then went on to attack someone who stated something contrary to that opinion. A better way would have been to give evidence supporting why you hold to that view, unless you don’t have any evidence, that is, and it’s mere wishful thinking.

  147. I agree with Joanne in this specific case. Joanna, RK can’t not tell you why he doesnt accept Christ as the messiah just as you can’t explain why you don’t accept Mohamed as the last Prophet.

    I even agree with Karen that there are many paths to God.

    The most tolerant of all the religions is by far the most revered by God, as logic dictates. Perhaps that would also entail the most unchanged religion of them all.. Therefore the trophy goes to Islam, second place to Christianity and last but not least, again — as their destiny has dictated — the Jews. But hey 3 rd place aint bad, neither is second. First place is what really sucks because there is such huge pressure to maintain the hierarchy. I mean look at those poor Muslim bastards and what has happened to them for merely defending their religion, they are branded as terrorists.

    The best way to negate the essence of your own religion is to deny the other religions their right to belief. The 3 religions are very clear, do not condemn another people, period.

    Yes Israel belongs to the Jews but under no circumstances are they allowed to take it back by force, that is persecution and condemnation at the same time. It must be GIVEN back to them peacefully, if it was in fact there’s to start off with. So Israeli Judaism gets a big fat ZERO!

    Christianity has no right on earth to deny the Prophet Mohamed. Nor do the Jews. It is clearly stated in DEUTERONOMY CH.18 V.18: “I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren & I shall put my words in his mouth!” referring to Prophet Mohamed (PBUH).

    Although Islam seems to be by far the most pious of the 3 religions, yet I still choose to follow Christianity because it makes more sense. But I will not deny that Mohamed is the prophet of God. Islam is like a vegan diet, it is too strict, too hard to follow. While Christianity allows a little constructive fat and the occasional milk shake of spirituality. Being a Muslim is like being a nun or a priest from adolescence.

    Judaism allows you to get away with a lot worse but you have to be born with it.

    Bottom line, only those who have the X on their foreheads will enter paradise and be saved from eternal hell fire! And BTW there will be loads of Christians, Jews and Muslims there for sure because they will be the ones who never persecuted or falsified the legitimacy of another religion, as is going on here.

    Everyone to his own. Jews are going through a crisis right now with the huge mistake they are making in the Holy Land and the divide that is in their ranks. It is our duty to stand by them til they figure out what in the hell it is they wanna do. But they had better hurry up and make good on the patience allocated them.

    So basically Christianity wins in the end.
    Just as Judaism wins it for some people.

  148. Roman Kalik says:

    @137 i luv egypt:

    Okay my question is, why does it seem to be okay that the media dehumanize Arabs/Muslim while the authority will condem anybody who messes with the jews image or even question the numbers that died in the holocust???

    I think you fail to understand why reducing or denying the Holocaust is objected to in Europe, and why it is seen as illegal hate speech.

    There is no logical reasoning behind it. The argument goes around a vast Jewish conspiracy at its apex to invent a Holocaust so that the Jews could milk it. It is anti-Semitic hate speech, whose sole purpose is to rewrite history so that Jews could be the “villain” again for the various “white power” and neo-Nazi types, who could then call themselves the “saviors”.

    The sentiment is stronger in those European countries where Nazism held sway, be it through its rise as a political power or as a conquering military force. There are the countries where people saw, and some still remember, just what happened, and to whom both the “revision” of history and the purpose behind it are far more apparent.

    Neither Muslims nor Arabs have had anything remotely equivalent. And as I’ve mentioned, the “bad stereotypes” of Arabs and Muslims are grounded in actual events which sadly happen to this day, and which some Muslims reinforce by their violent reactions to the stereotypes rather than trying to disprove them.

    The premier of Mohammad, Messenger of God illustrates this problem. I Luv Egypt, there has so far been very little, if any, positive action on the side of Muslims or Arabs in an attempt to give themselves a good image and to eliminate the very stereotypes they object to. Instead, you guys either strengthen them, do nothing, or whine about how it’s all unfair…

    @140 Joanne,

    At this point, I honestly see no point in continuing this discussion. Your arguments revolve around “truths” you were taught to believe in, and in which you believe rather strongly – regardless of how absurd they would appear to most Christians, even.

    It’s when you confused Orthodox Christianity with Catholic Christianity (I did talk about the early years of Christianity, and anyone with a modicum of historical knowledge would have remembered that it was the Eastern Roman Empire that ruled the Holy Land after the split), start talking about how many Christians the Jews murdered (care to name a number? To the neared million?), and then return to your supposed Judaic ancestry and then, rather amusingly, turn to Jews for Jesus (as I said, I *am* familiar with it all) as supposed evidence of “good Jews”, that I realize that further debate is pointless.

    I prefer to end circular arguments before they actually go full-circle.

  149. Roman, British Israelism aside, Joanne has made points that are fully supported by the bible. I’ve given quotes, you’ve side stepped them.

  150. Roman Kalik says:

    Christianity has no right on earth to deny the Prophet Mohamed. Nor do the Jews. It is clearly stated in DEUTERONOMY CH.18 V.18: “I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren & I shall put my words in his mouth!” referring to Prophet Mohamed (PBUH).

    Um… no. Not really. Next time, read the entire chapter. Heck, read the previous five verses. In them, Moses relays the words of the Almighty to the Israelites, and in this specific section mentions the diviners and soothsayers that the people of Canaan follow, telling the Israelites that they will have a prophet from among them (the entire set of chapters discusses the future – meaning after Moses’ own passing) to relay to them the words of the Almighty.

    Verse 17, 18 and onward have Moses quoting what the Almighty told him word for word:

    17. And the Lord said to me, “They have done well in what they have spoken.
    18. I will set up a prophet for them from among their brothers like you, and I will put My words into his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him.
    19. And it will be, that whoever does not hearken to My words that he speaks in My name, I will exact [it] of him.

    Verse 20 and onward discuss how to identify a true prophet or a false prophet. Mohammad doesn’t have anything to do with the matter… unless of course you claim that Mohammad was of a Jewish lineage? This is, after all, what verse 18 mentions here in saying “from among their brothers like you” and verse 15 mentions as “A prophet from among you, from your brothers”.

  151. Roman Kalik says:

    @150 Reader:

    You brought two specific quotes, both from the Gospel of John:

    John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

    Actually, the chapter starts with questions that Jesus answers (one particular is also in Chapter 14, from Thomas) – specifically, what his disciples should do to follow in his footsteps after his physical passing and be with him in Heaven. Jesus replies that it is through the belief in him and his teachings, further reiterating his claim that he and the father are two aspects of the same divine being.

    It indeed supports the interpretation of some Christians that there is no path whatsoever save that of belief in Jesus and his teachings. But one may also interpret it as to say that if one wishes, specifically, to follow the teachings of Jesus all the way to their purest result (the Heavens in the presence of Jesus) then one must simply believe in him and do as he commanded.

    This without applying it as an eternal sentence to all other believers in a single Almighty Lord.

    John 8:58-59 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

    *shrug* In the previous verses, Jesus was asked if he is greater than previous prophets, and even Abraham. Jesus replied that he is an eternal manifestation of the Lord, and that he also met Abraham in one way or another.

    Nothing to do with belief in the Almighty Lord, as such, nor in how such belief must be manifested in order to save souls from Hell. Merely a verse seeking to validate Jesus and his teachings.

  152. reader,

    Anyone can go to any holy book to prove anything they believe in. However, if one doesn’t care about the holy book in question, than it has no meaning for them. For Joanne (or you) to go to her Christian Bible and pull out quotes as proof of who G-d is, means nothing for someone who doesn’t view that Bible as the word of G-d. If you see it as the word of G-d, good for you. But as for how it applies to me and salvation, well it basically doesn’t. Just like what the Koran has to say doesn’t apply to me either. Same with other religious books from religions that are not mine. People should just respect that there are many beliefs about who G-d is or how many G-d there are or even that G-d may not exist at all. And no one should be condemned for their beliefs or lack of them.

    Sand Ape…..you agree with me????? That’s funny :) If you only knew other views I held aside from religion.

  153. Ascribing that ‘interpretation’ to that quote would involve changing the words he said. He doesn’t say, my teachings are the way the truth the life, no one comes to the father except through them. He points to his person, not anyone else, so no he isn’t talking about his teachings. Take the words as they are. The second quote shows that his existence spans millenia, so not just another prophet. So yeah, there is a lot of good evidence for what was said by Joanne.

  154. Karen -

    “If you want to believe that everyone who does not believe exactly as you is condemned, than go ahead.” by Karen

    I do not believe that – why do you suggest such a thing? I am no man’s judge. People condemn themselves.

    I have no problem with people believing what they want, but I am not going to state that what I believe is not true, when I believe it to be true, just like everyone else believes what they believe to be true – even for atheists.

    “That’s my opinion as someone who respects other people’s beliefs and their right to have those beliefs.” by Karen

    Then please respect mine. I do not respect other ‘beliefs,’ but I certainly respect the right of people to have those beliefs.

    reader – your comment is duly noted….

    Roman – good enough, I wouldn’t want either of us to become dizzy if we came to full circle.

  155. Karen, don’t mix things up now. The quotes were in a comment directed for someone else and were in response to a comment that claimed that a statement was merely a personal belief that was unfounded.

    I asked you to justify your pov and you didn’t- giving me a random rant instead about something which has nothing to do with the discussion doesn’t add anything to it.

  156. Joanne, people don’t condemn themselves. Others condemn them based on what they believe to be the word of G-D. People who live as good human beings are not condemned to anything, IMHO, regardless of whether or not they believe in Christ.

    reader,

    You are making me dizzy. I don’t know what you are talking about anymore. I can’t provide you with proof of whether or not G-d(s) exists or whether or not your G-d is the correct one. And I am certainly not going to waste my time looking up “proof” in your version of the Bible. Believe what you want, just don’t shove it down my throat.

  157. Karen, hint- if you can’t handle anyone asking you to explain your point of view, then why on earth are you giving it in a public forum such as this one? Going off on random irrelevant rants because you’re unable to engage in discussion is juvenile to say the least.

  158. Roman, how did you get to be so dead wrong? How did you get a name like Roman, when you are a Jew. That’s like the Bush family naming their grand son Saddam Hussein!

    Still you are wrong, Jesus and Mohamed are the truth, so is Abraham and Moses. Your denying Jesus and Mohamed damns you to eternal hell. Please you can choose not to deny follow them, that is fine. But do not deny them.

    Not all Christians deny Mohamed yet remain Christians. They live peaceful Christian lives and will undoubtedly go to heaven. Muslims dont deny Christ, Abraham or Moses they are heaven bound too.

    Why do you deny them? Who are you to think that chosen one means forever? Obama is the chosen one for now but a decade later he wont be and will need to get with the program.

    Believe in Jesus if you are smart, but dont deny him if you are smarter!

  159. Apey, christianity does not make mention of Mohammed at all! Please read up. A very famous saying by Jesus is: ‘ I am the first and the Last’.

  160. @ 160, Um reader honey, please point out where that saying is and i will give you a million bucks or at thats at least taken out of context. even if it is in the bible, there are so many contradicting gospels to start off with. The most you can get from the Bible is a feel for what God and Jesus want Christians to act. The Tora is so big they made the Talmud. In the end it don’t matter what the f!@#ck a person believes, as long as they do not deny what other religions believe like you are doing right now you insolent self righteous mocker of faiths. It points out clearly that Jesus is not the last and there is a prophet who will come amongst a transgressing nation and will lead them to piety. DEUTERONOMY CH.18 V.18: “I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren & I shall put my words in his mouth!” referring to Prophet Mohamed (PBUH).
    Still its obvious you don’t believe this or you would be in a Burka acting like a terrorist nun right now because Islam is clearly under attack.
    If your Jewish, you pretty well will do what’s fashionable and join the Apartheid fest of British Israelism.
    So in the end, I am a citizen of the world, no better or no less than you and although I express my views I dont mock others or force them on others. Accept when revolted by Nazism, Darfur genocide, Israeli occupation, Balkans etc.

    Actually it is fair to say that I am a Taoist agnostic that benefits from not engaging of the downfalls of the 3 major monotheistic religions, although I admire them all.

  161. um apey, i hope you’re a man of your word:

    Revelaton 1: 17-18 “I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever!”

  162. A very famous saying by God not Jesus is what you meant.

    Sorry to burst your bubble.

    This does nor refer to his prophethood silly reader, it refers to the failing of the attempted Crucifixion, that Gods message can not be killed, as God is the first and the last. Its not ambiguous it is clear as day!

    God is not Jesus. and never was.

    If you are serious about debate and the possibility that you are not perfect and prone to mortality then please point out where it says in the bible that Jesus is the son of God.

    then you will know that your interpretation is completely typical and erroneous.

    God didn’t have a girlfriend or a wife to beget a son.

    It is heresy to say that he did!

  163. uh yah, you add your own meanings to words, regardless of what they say. And if he is referring to his failed crucifixion then who on earth do you think HE is?? How did you get failed crucifixion from the word ‘dead’ exactly? ape logic.

  164. ready,

    I think that I explained where I stand on religion quite clearly. If you don’t understand what I said, well too bad :( There isn’t anything more for me to add.

  165. Roman Kalik says:

    @159 Sand Ape:

    Roman, how did you get to be so dead wrong? How did you get a name like Roman, when you are a Jew. That’s like the Bush family naming their grand son Saddam Hussein!

    *shrug* Hardly. And hardly to do with anything other than your typical dehumanization of the people you debate with.

    Still you are wrong, Jesus and Mohamed are the truth, so is Abraham and Moses. Your denying Jesus and Mohamed damns you to eternal hell. Please you can choose not to deny follow them, that is fine. But do not deny them.

    *shrug* Nothing in Judaism requires me to deny prophets directed to other nations. It’s when people like you make use of *our* holy texts, selectively quoting from them to justify to us how they’re really *our* prophets and that we should believe in them…

    Well, that’s when I call it bullshit. Next time you pull quotes from the Torah, kindly check what you’re taking.

  166. Roman U ask why i use cuss words, well because all I can say towards your statement: “And hardly to do with anything other than your typical dehumanization of the people you debate with.” is that the best you have? A continual inferiority complex? Well to cuss again, the only thing I can say with all impunity is that you are a fag to keep thinking this, and saying this.
    What a pathetic whinnier…

    Regarding the belief in other prophets issue, then please go ahead and by all means believe in them if you want, but don’t simply deny them because someone you don’t like said that you should believe in them and hence justifiably disuading yourself from doing so whilst you other wise might give it a fair thought!

  167. @ ready baby,

    If you are serious about debate and the possibility that you are not perfect and prone to mortality then please point out where it says in the bible that Jesus is the son of God.

    Eat that with a grain of salt Ms. Jesus is the son of God’

    The one thing that me and British Israelism will never disagree upon is the fact that God didn’t have any children.

    Jews Know that if Jesus was in fact divine then he could have never been crucified like that. And since Jesus was very divine indeed, he was never crucified like that.

  168. Apey

    How about a verse showing Jesus being God’s son and Jesus’ deity. And by the way, God’s son doesn’t mean Jesus was procreated- which I believe is how you understand it..

    1 John 5:20

    “We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.”

  169. “How about a verse showing jesus being Jesus’ diety.” HUHH??

    “by the way, God’s son doesn’t mean Jesus was procreated- which I believe is how you understand it..”

    Oh it doesnt eh, so where and how did you come to that conclusion?

    Kindly view the below link for a better answer to your question:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M66ScJOfafM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M66ScJO

  170. You see, I told you !!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M66ScJOfafM

    Irrefutable proof from the Bible that Jesus could never be the son of God!

  171. Apey,

    I think the crux of the matter here are the words ‘son of’. It’s not a literal relationship that is being described. You know like the phrase ‘son of the nile’ is used for Egyptians. Did Egypt marry the nile and give birth to you? No. So it is the same here.

    Son of God means the same nature as God, not that Jesus was procreated and is Mary’s son. Proof for that is the fact that the Pharisees (religious jews) called for Jesus’ crucifixion. This quote says it best: “During His trial before the Jewish leaders, the High Priest demanded of Jesus, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God” (Matthew 26:63). Jesus responded, “Yes, it is as you say, ‘but I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven” (Matthew 26:64). The Jewish leaders responded by accusing Jesus of blasphemy (Matthew 26:65-66). Later, before Pontius Pilate, “The Jews insisted, ‘We have a law, and according to that law He must die, because He claimed to be the Son of God’” (John 19:7). Why would claiming to be the “Son of God” be considered blasphemy and be worthy of a death sentence? The Jewish leaders understood exactly what Jesus meant by the phrase “Son of God.” To be the “Son of God” is to be of the same nature as God. The “Son of God” is “of God.” The claim to be of the same nature as God, to in fact “be God,” was blasphemy to the Jewish leaders; therefore, they demanded Jesus’ death.”

    http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Son-of-God.html

    Son of Man means to be of man ie human- he was 100% human at the same time. How that figures out is not something I or anyone will be able to explain to you.

  172. If only more Christians new this.

    I agree with you finally, but you do know that most Christians will call you blasphemous for mentioning the above.

    Also “Jesus was live and then dead is misquoted too”, Jesus is still alive, we all believe in the second coming don’t we?