Free Philip Rizk Now!

 

Philip Rizk, a german-egyptian filmmaker , was kidnapped by state security two days ago, when he was returning with a bunch of his activist friends from Qaluybia. The car was stopped, and of all the people in the car, he was picked out:

Said said police had detained their vehicle for several hours and
then said they wanted to talk with Rizk. They put him in a vehicle with
no licence plates and sped off. Other policemen then blocked the
activists' vehicle to prevent them from following.

"We don't know where he is, and there is no formal charge," Rizk's
sister said. She added that the German embassy had been notified and
were attempting to locate him.

This was 2 days ago, and there was no word of him, his whereabouts, or whether or not he is safe. This is a guy who, mind you, didn't advocate armed resistance in Ghaza, didn't support Hamas, didn't even demand retaliation for what happened. All his work is about non-violent resistance and activism. And that was enough for the egyptian authorities to make an example out of him.

Yesterday, the following happened:

Phil's parents went to the High Court downtaown Cairo to file a
complaint with the General Prosecutor against State Security for
abducting Philip.

A lot of friends have gathered outside the
Court house to show support and solidarity.The American University is
involved as well as the German Embassy (who was told at first by the
Sate Security that nobody called Philip had been arrested, later they
did acknowledge he was there).

Meanwhile through other contacts
we were able to locate Philip, he is being held by State Security at
their headquarters in downtown Cairo.

Now, even though he is located, even though he is being detained without charges (and what would the charges be? Organizing a peaceful march? Advocating non-violence?), even though he is half german, they still won;t let him out. The German passport is no shield in his case, because he is half egyptian, and thus prosecutable under egyptian law. Ha, egyptian law. What a joke.

I've known Philip from back in school and throughout my childhood. He is one of the sweetest people you will ever meet. He doesn;t deserve this. No one deserves this. No one deserves to be kidnapped by his own country's police, especially not for advocating peaceful and non-violent activism to a problem mirred with violence at all ends. So please, help us release him. If you have a media friend, let him know. If you have a blog, please post about it. Even if you disagree with his position, do it because someone's human rights have been violated, for advocating peaceful activism, no less.

Help us get him out. Please! 

Comments

  1. WTF! Those people are going nuts or what?
    First, the emergency law is supposed to be there to preserve the country from terrorism.. then it evolved to the detention of the Ikhwan with the excuse that their ideas might somehow lead to terrorism.. but plz can someone tell me how this guy in the picture can be the source of any danger for the people living in this country?

  2. there are no words… just a good old egyptian snort.

  3. Asphalt Orangutan says:

    This is really sad and disturbing news. Is there anything members of the public can do to help Philip? I supposed I can call my senators and urge them to get involved.

    You know, I have to tell you SM, I really like your blog and your snarky, cynical yet somehow life-affirming sensibility. And so I appreciate that you don’t side with the Israelis or the Palestinians, but basically make fun of the jackasses on both sides. BUT I am feeling really depressed lately. “My” side (well, I’m not Israeli but Jewish) has gone insane. After yearning sincerely for peace for most of my lifetime — though doing plenty of fucked up things that made peace more remote — but still, at least wanting peace… the Israelis have now gone officially insane. Only in an insane political culture does a man supposedly of the left like Ehud Barak boast that he’s tough because he’s shot people and that fascist over there is all talk. The Israel I grew up with was not perfect, but they gave back every inch of Sinai for peace with Egypt because they believed that peace with their neighbors was the prime national goal, for which it was worth taking big risks. Can you imagine any of the bullying midgets who now run the country taking such a step? A society that is even close to electing Bibi Netanyahu for a second stint as PM, and that could give Avigdor Lieberman 1/8th of the seats in its parliament… well, that is a society unhinged emotionally and divorced from reality. I am very very depressed.

  4. The German embassy is not doing anything about this?
    Do you think it’s just about the govt. being threatened by non violent activism? is that possible? Freakin Arabs… we don’t deserve people like him to fight for our issues… I hope this ends well

  5. I saw the beginning of the protest at AUC, which was really just a bunch of American or other international students standing in the middle of the plaza holding up Free Philip signs.

    Why don’t Egyptian students get involved? What harm could come in protesting at AUC? It was similarly disappointing to me last year when the students standing up for Gaza were the Americans.

    I know Egyptians aren’t used to protesting, but is that all that’s going on? Certainly AUC’s Egyptian students got fired up about food prices on the new campus. Why not a jailed fellow student?

    (Maybe the demonstration got bigger after I left. I hope so.)

    Also, what good could possibly come of protesting at AUC?

  6. Abu Sa'ar says:

    SM -

    How d’you reckon people can help release this guy?
    Pressure from inside Germany would probably be the best way, but is unlikely to happen.

    AO –

    You are depressed because you apparently have very little to no understanding of Middle East in general and Israel in particular.

    I would suggest focusing on the Diaspora instead – you exiles have that sad, quaint charm of a dying civilization. A civilization that was once great, at that. So yes, “your” side has gone insane, friend, sometime when Ludwig J. J. Wittgenstein worked to prove himself a Mischling.

  7. Sandmonkey, it seems to be no secret that Philip Rizk is a blogger. And according to his blog, he was organizing a march to breach the border and march to Gaza, at the time of his arrest. I’m not going to take a position on this until Egypt announces what they are charging him with, but I can see how Egyptian state security would be concerned about his activities. Breaching a border is not “peaceful and non-violent”. And he went further than advocating it… it seems he was involved in a plan do actually do it.

    PS-No offense intended (seriously!) but you probably think Twosret is a sweet and kind person that you’ve known for along time, too, right? Some of us may not agree with that assessment :)

  8. From his blog:

    → The Egypt group will march on Gaza from multiple locations starting February 6th

    February 6th is the day he was arrested?

  9. got a link for his blog

  10. Sure…

    http://tabulagaza.blogspot.com

    It was listed in one of the articles SM linked in the post,

  11. auc student says:

    the American university in cairo evolved more than what the prof has said obviously he left while they were still preparing they got a speaker and kept asking for his freedom and collecting peoples votes to sign a petition to help philip and a lot of people gave their signatures wether students or just faculty and they marched with the protest to a meeting that was held by the board of trustees to make them help him

  12. good point, the state is naturally going to be annoyed since he’s going against state policy. i mean did he really think he was going to break through the border with no challenges. who does he think he is? hamas

  13. The story is on the headlines of Yahoo News
    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/090208/world/egypt_germany_gaza_internet_rights_arrest

    Let the stupid Egyptian regime enjoy the scandal!

  14. Whether Philip was organising a march or not: As long as he abstained from violence, he does not deserve being abducted by the Egyptian state security. Those guys are not your friendly local police officer. If it could help to write some journalists about him, I am going to try it.

  15. House of parents of Philip Rizk is being searched at the moment by Secret Police. People gather outside to protest. 6 Road 208, Maadi. 2.30 AM in the night on Monday morning.
    Protest!

  16. bastawisi says:

    i hope they never release him.

  17. I wrote an article about this on my blog.

  18. i have a feeling craig would condemn this greatly if the egyptian police tried to arrest a pro-israeli blogger, but his palestinian sympathies justify his arbitrary arrest and detention without a charge, acccording to craig’s warped, tolitarian, hypocritical worldview

  19. i have a feeling craig would condemn this greatly if the egyptian police tried to arrest a pro-israeli blogger, but the blogger’s palestinian sympathies apparently justify his arbitrary arrest and detention without a charge, acccording to craig’s warped, tolitarian, hypocritical worldview

  20. After the Alaa debacle, I will have to read more about Rizk before I even begin to contemplate advocating on his behalf. I patently refuse to waste even an iota of my energy to help free someone whose goal is my annihilation.

    Anyway, based upon the limited I read about Rizk, he is an extremist who hates Israel, and has spent his life advocating against Israel. he may not be actively a terrorist, but he supports terrorist propoganda through his inciteful films against Israel.

    Craig,

    What specific post were you looking at? The blog I found was here:

    http://thispalestinianlife.blogspot.com/

    The bottom line is I need to see more evidence that Rizk was *actually* nonviolent, and did not support lunatic “Free Gaza” type of hysteria before I even consider supporting his struggle. And I hope all other anti-jihadist bloggers feel the same way.

  21. UPDATE:

    I accidentally skimmed over Craig’s blog, and indeed he is right and Rizk was planning on crashing the Rafah crossing.

    He was in no way ‘non-violent,’ and I think SM’s personal involvement with Rizk is biasing him in support of this man.

    Someone of his ilk is simply not worth advocating on his behalf. I have limited resources and limited time on this planet. My time is too precious to advocate on behalf of someone clearly openly supporting Hamas.

  22. If Phil was arrested just because he wanted to march to Gaza, why were the other 14 protesters (doing the same thing) all released that night? They were actually stopping the march (away from the border) when he was taken so he never actually crossed. Why was Phil the only one detained this long? Why are they searching his home WITHOUT warrants (more than once)? Why won’t they say where he is or why they took him? I knew Phil in college. He has not been a lifelong hater of Israel. He just cares about innocent the people getting killed. He is not pro-terrorism. He’s pro-peace. Just because he wants peace for Palestine doesn’t mean he wants the end of Israel. It’s not a black/white issue. If you read his posts or see his videos, he focuses on civilians caught in the fighting, not supporting terrorists.

  23. you idiot RT, judging by his first and last name he is CLEARLY a CHRISTIAN, he obviously does not support Hamas or Islamic terrorism in general..no Egyptian Christian would because people like that are just as much an existential threat to Egyptian Christians than they are to Israeli Jews, if not more so.

  24. R,

    The so-called “Free Gaza” movement is similarly “concerned with civilians,” and sought to force its way past the blockade into Gaza – essentially, committing an act of war. This is what Rizk advocated doing – following the “Free Gaza” path.

    Moreover, by defending Hamas and claiming Israel has no right to defend itself, Phil was thus promoting anti-Israel propoganda.

    He claims that civilians in Gaza have been harmed, but does his film include information about the terror that Gaza residents inflict upon Israel? Does it include information about Sderot civilians who have been under attack? Does it include hate incitement seen in Palestinian schools/mosques/media? No? Then, by providing a false report, which claims that Gaza residents are somehow ‘victims’ of Israel (rather than victims of Hamas/Fatah and their own leaders), he is implicitly blaming the REAL victim (Israel), and supporting the aggressor (Hamas/Fatah).

    Look, do what *you* have to do. It is not right that no warrant was used, and I do not know why he was singled out compared to others. But I am not going to spend my time to write letters/publish reports about people who are openly inciting hate against Israel. Not after I wrote numerous letters on behalf of Alaa, and then found out he supported the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Rizk can falsely claim he believes in ‘peace’ all he wants. His actions – as I found on his blog – show that he does not in reality believe in peace.

    One last thing: Rizk might be a kind/sweet/loving gentleman when *not* discussing Israel. He might be one of the gentlest and good-hearted people on earth. But he has defined himself, for better or worse, as someone who is an anti-Israel propogandist.

    I am saddened to see that justice is again not served in Egypt (what else is new?), but I see no reason to waste my time and energy defending someone like Rizk.

  25. R,

    (this is Red Tulips)

    The so-called “Free Gaza” movement is similarly “concerned with civilians,” and sought to force its way past the blockade into Gaza – essentially, committing an act of war. This is what Rizk advocated doing – following the “Free Gaza” path.

    Moreover, by defending Hamas and claiming Israel has no right to defend itself, Phil was thus promoting anti-Israel propoganda.

    He claims that civilians in Gaza have been harmed, but does his film include information about the terror that Gaza residents inflict upon Israel? Does it include information about Sderot civilians who have been under attack? Does it include hate incitement seen in Palestinian schools/mosques/media? No? Then, by providing a false report, which claims that Gaza residents are somehow ‘victims’ of Israel (rather than victims of Hamas/Fatah and their own leaders), he is implicitly blaming the REAL victim (Israel), and supporting the aggressor (Hamas/Fatah).

    Look, do what *you* have to do. It is not right that no warrant was used, and I do not know why he was singled out compared to others. But I am not going to spend my time to write letters/publish reports about people who are openly inciting hate against Israel. Not after I wrote numerous letters on behalf of Alaa, and then found out he supported the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Rizk can falsely claim he believes in ‘peace’ all he wants. His actions – as I found on his blog – show that he does not in reality believe in peace.

    One last thing: Rizk might be a kind/sweet/loving gentleman when *not* discussing Israel. He might be one of the gentlest and good-hearted people on earth. But he has defined himself, for better or worse, as someone who is an anti-Israel propogandist.

    I am saddened to see that justice is again not served in Egypt (what else is new?), but I see no reason to waste my time and energy defending someone like Rizk.

  26. R,

    (this is Red Tulips – posting under this name to avoid the spam filter)

    The so-called “Free Gaza” movement is similarly “concerned with civilians,” and sought to force its way past the blockade into Gaza – essentially, committing an act of war. This is what Rizk advocated doing – following the “Free Gaza” path.

    Moreover, by defending Hamas and claiming Israel has no right to defend itself, Phil was thus promoting anti-Israel propoganda.

    He claims that civilians in Gaza have been harmed, but does his film include information about the terror that Gaza residents inflict upon Israel? Does it include information about Sderot civilians who have been under attack? Does it include hate incitement seen in Palestinian schools/mosques/media? No? Then, by providing a false report, which claims that Gaza residents are somehow ‘victims’ of Israel (rather than victims of Hamas/Fatah and their own leaders), he is implicitly blaming the REAL victim (Israel), and supporting the aggressor (Hamas/Fatah).

    Look, do what *you* have to do. It is not right that no warrant was used, and I do not know why he was singled out compared to others. But I am not going to spend my time to write letters/publish reports about people who are openly inciting hate against Israel. Not after I wrote numerous letters on behalf of Alaa, and then found out he supported the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Rizk can falsely claim he believes in ‘peace’ all he wants. His actions – as I found on his blog – show that he does not in reality believe in peace.

    One last thing: Rizk might be a kind/sweet/loving gentleman when *not* discussing Israel. He might be one of the gentlest and good-hearted people on earth. But he has defined himself, for better or worse, as someone who is an anti-Israel propogandist.

    I am saddened to see that justice is again not served in Egypt (what else is new?), but I see no reason to waste my time and energy defending someone like Rizk.

  27. R,

    The so-called “Free Gaza” movement is similarly “concerned with civilians,” and sought to force its way past the blockade into Gaza – essentially, committing an act of war. This is what Rizk advocated doing – following the “Free Gaza” path.

    Moreover, by defending Hamas and claiming Israel has no right to defend itself, Phil was thus promoting anti-Israel propoganda.

    He claims that civilians in Gaza have been harmed, but does his film include information about the terror that Gaza residents inflict upon Israel? Does it include information about Sderot civilians who have been under attack? Does it include hate incitement seen in Palestinian schools/mosques/media? No? Then, by providing a false report, which claims that Gaza residents are somehow ‘victims’ of Israel (rather than victims of Hamas/Fatah and their own leaders), he is implicitly blaming the REAL victim (Israel), and supporting the aggressor (Hamas/Fatah).

    Look, do what *you* have to do. It is not right that no warrant was used, and I do not know why he was singled out compared to others. But I am not going to spend my time to write letters/publish reports about people who are openly inciting hate against Israel. Not after I wrote numerous letters on behalf of Alaa, and then found out he supported the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Rizk can falsely claim he believes in ‘peace’ all he wants. His actions – as I found on his blog – show that he does not in reality believe in peace.

    One last thing: Rizk might be a kind/sweet/loving gentleman when *not* discussing Israel. He might be one of the gentlest and good-hearted people on earth. But he has defined himself, for better or worse, as someone who is an anti-Israel propogandist.

    I am saddened to see that justice is again not served in Egypt (what else is new?), but I see no reason to waste my time and energy defending someone like Rizk.

    Patrick:

    George Habash also was Christian. Rizk’s Christian status is not proof of anything. Moreover, Jews have supported Hamas in the past.

  28. R,

    [I am RT/Red Tulips, posting under this name to avoid the spam filter]

    The so-called “Free Gaza” movement is similarly “concerned with civilians,” and sought to force its way past the blockade into Gaza – essentially, committing an act of war. This is what Rizk advocated doing – following the “Free Gaza” path.

    Moreover, by defending Hamas and claiming Israel has no right to defend itself, Phil was thus promoting anti-Israel propoganda.

    He claims that civilians in Gaza have been harmed, but does his film include information about the terror that Gaza residents inflict upon Israel? Does it include information about Sderot civilians who have been under attack? Does it include hate incitement seen in Palestinian schools/mosques/media? No? Then, by providing a false report, which claims that Gaza residents are somehow ‘victims’ of Israel (rather than victims of Hamas/Fatah and their own leaders), he is implicitly blaming the REAL victim (Israel), and supporting the aggressor (Hamas/Fatah).

    Look, do what *you* have to do. It is not right that no warrant was used, and I do not know why he was singled out compared to others. But I am not going to spend my time to write letters/publish reports about people who are openly inciting hate against Israel. Not after I wrote numerous letters on behalf of Alaa, and then found out he supported the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Rizk can falsely claim he believes in ‘peace’ all he wants. His actions – as I found on his blog – show that he does not in reality believe in peace.

    One last thing: Rizk might be a kind/sweet/loving gentleman when *not* discussing Israel. He might be one of the gentlest and good-hearted people on earth. But he has defined himself, for better or worse, as someone who is an anti-Israel propogandist.

    I am saddened to see that justice is again not served in Egypt (what else is new?), but I see no reason to waste my time and energy defending someone like Rizk.

    Patrick:

    George Habash also was Christian. Rizk’s Christian status is not proof of anything. Moreover, Jews have supported Hamas in the past.

    [I hope this gets past the spam filter!]

  29. you idiot RT, judging by his first and last name he is CLEARLY a CHRISTIAN, he obviously does not support Hamas or Islamic terrorism in general..no Egyptian Christian would because people like that are just as much an existential threat to Egyptian Christians than they are to Israeli Jews, if not more so.

    That’s crap, Patrick. There are Egyptian Christians who are regulars on this blog who talk about Yassir Arafat as if he was a god, and who do openly support Islamic terrorism.

    i have a feeling craig would condemn this greatly if the egyptian police tried to arrest a pro-israeli blogger, but the blogger’s palestinian sympathies apparently justify his arbitrary arrest and detention without a charge, acccording to craig’s warped, tolitarian, hypocritical worldview

    That’s also crap. If I was publicly organizing a protest march to cross over into Canada, I would expect to be arrested by the FBI if I attempted to actually do it. And to make matters worse (for Philip) he seems to have admitted to smuggling medical supplies into Gaza. It sounds like he’s a nice guy, and it sounds like he had good intentions… maybe he was just ignorant of international law and the policies of the government of Egypt. But unfortunately for him, it seems the Egyptian police can probably make a valid case against him.

    I don’t think it does much good to deny wrongdoing on his behalf. I think it makes more sense to argue that he didn’t have malicious intent.

  30. And by the way, Patrick, please leave me out of the rest of this discussion. I already said I didn’t want to take a position on this one, in my first comment. A couple people I respect have spoken for his good character, and I’ll take their word for it. I won’t pretend he’s guiltless, though, when his own blog seems to indicate otherwise. Assuming he was just a naive do-gooder who didn’t realize he was crossing the line is as far as I can go towards supporting him, and since that isn’t good enough for people on this blog I prefer to say no more about it.

  31. I posted something earlier which said much of what Craig wrote, only it was branded ‘spam.’ Grr…

    Maybe it will show up.

    Patrick,

    Ever hear of George Habash? Enough said.

  32. RT and Craig, neither George Habash or Yasser Arafat were Islamic terrorists…they were both Arab nationalists. A Christian can very easily and justifiably endorse Arab nationalism since it does not threaten Arab Christians, if anything it embraces Christianity. Yasser ARafat married a Christian and put Christians in his top posts. Hamas is not Arafat. Hamas is a threat to Christianity. Show me a Christian who actively supports Hamas. And by support, I don’t mean have sympathies with, I mean SUPPORT. I sympathize with hamas in that I feel they are less corrupt than Fatah and that I think the Gaza war was a war crime but I would never, under any circumstances, support them or want them to hold onto power.

  33. RT,

    It is very clear that Rizk filmed propoganda for the Palestinians and did not believe that Israel had a right to defend itself and root out Hamas terrorists. This is open support for Hamas.

    And moreover, I do not really care if he is a Hamas or a Fatah supporter. The point is that he clearly justifies the use of Palestinian terror by explaining it away, and produces propoganda to aid/abet the Palestinian cause.

    None for me, thanks. But if you want to advocate on his behalf, that is your business, and I understand and do not care. I merely explained why I will not be advocating on his behalf.

  34. Patrick, spare me the blah blah blah. Terrorism is terrorism, and support for terrorism is support for terrorism. Full stop. Christians don’t get a free pass just because they are Christians. If anything, Christian terrorists are worse than Muslim terrorists, because there is no justification for jihad in the New testament.

  35. Are you literate Craig? Like honestly do you even read what I said? I asked you to give me an example of Christian support for ISLAMIC terrorism and unsurprisingly you offered none. Give me an example of a Christian terrorist, much less an Egyptian Christian terrorist!

  36. I asked you to give me an example of Christian support for ISLAMIC terrorism…

    Twosret. And before you use the word ISLAM again, know that I don;’t give a fuck about what brand of crazy terrorists subscribe to. Arab nationalism is now and has always been rooted in Islam, as the Arab identity itself is now and has always been rooted in Islam. Take your semantic definition of terrorism and stick it up in there with all your idiotic opinions.

    I need to go see a shrink now to find out why I even bothered talking to somebody whose first words to me were a vicious personal attack. I’ll be back in a few hours to see what dingleberries of wisdom you have left for everyone.

  37. I called God or maybe it was Obama and He told me to spam you with links about fake Christians who are terrorists every time you open your mouth. Sorry. Can’t argue with the big guy, right? Here’s the first batch.

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1707366,00.html

    You could call George Habash, a Palestinian leader who died in Amman on Saturday at the age of 82, the godfather of Middle East terrorism. If you assumed that Palestinian or Arab extremism somehow sprung entirely from Islam — from the puritanical Wahabbi intolerance and so forth — take a close look at Habash’s first name. He was a Greek Orthodox Christian, who sang in his church choir as a boy back in the Palestinian town of Lydda. Habash’s life tells us a lot about the long Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which seems as intractable as ever, and prompts reflection on the Middle East’s seemingly unstoppable whirlwind of violence.

    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/obituaries/articles/2008/01/27/george_habash_at_81_led_plo_plane_hijacking_faction/

    AMMAN, Jordan – George Habash, whose radical PLO faction gained notoriety after the simultaneous hijackings of four Western airliners in 1970 and the seizure of an Air France flight to Entebbe, Uganda, died Saturday in Jordan. He was 81.

  38. How can you even begin to pretend you know half a cent’s worth about the roots of Arab nationalism? Arab nationalism has NOTHING to do with Islam, as the fact that the Baath party was founded by a CHRISTIAN attests to. Why would Christians feel any attachment to an ideology wholly rooted in another religion? Arab nationalism is avowedly secular…which is why every Arab nationalist, from Nasser to Hussein has persecuted Islamists in his country with untold force, which is why the Palestinian Arab nationalists (Fatah) are fighting a war against their Islamist compatriots (Hamas) whose gravity and brutality you couldn’t even begin to understand. The words “Arab” and “Muslim” are NOT interchangeable. Arabs refer to Arabic-speaking peoples who can be of any religion, which is why many Arab Christians supported Arab nationalism- it was an ideology that didn’t consider religion and thus gave them an equal place in it as the Muslim majorities in their countries.

    As a side note, I personally would even object to the use of the word Arab to characterize anyone who isn’t from the Arabian Penninsula, Egyptian is not Arab.

    And please show me evidence of Twosret’s support for Islamic terrorism? Support for Palestinians or Gazans isn’t the same as support for terrorism, there is a distinction.

  39. Blah blah blah to you too, assclown.

  40. RT and Craig, neither George Habash or Yasser Arafat were Islamic terrorists…they were both Arab nationalists.

    They were both Arab TERRORISTS, loser.

    And are you the same guy who was giving me his first hand testimony about the LA riots, and then it turned out you were 1 year old at the time? lol.

  41. “Blah blah blah to you too, assclown.”

    hahahaha, wow you are mature, you literally didn’t even address a single point, instead choosing to ignore any substantive debate or any of my points and revert to juvenile namecalling. Calling me a loser? How old are you? Did you get bullied in middle school or something and are looking for a way to hurl insults at someone online? I never gave “firsthand” testimony. I obviously wasn’t in the middle of the riots and I highly doubt you were too, I was relaying information about documented events. You don’t need to be somewhere to know shit about what happened. You and I are debating the Middle East right now and neither of us is in Israel or Palestine.

  42. hahahaha, wow you are mature, you literally didn’t even address a single point, instead choosing to ignore any substantive debate or any of my points and revert to juvenile namecalling. Calling me a loser? How old are you? Did you get bullied in middle school or something and are looking for a way to hurl insults at someone online? I never gave “firsthand” testimony. I obviously wasn’t in the middle of the riots and I highly doubt you were too, I was relaying information about documented events. You don’t need to be somewhere to know shit about what happened. You and I are debating the Middle East right now and neither of us is in Israel or Palestine.

  43. Some of Patrick’s comments got deleted eh? Strange…

  44. I obviously wasn’t in the middle of the riots

    Dude, you were one year old. To make matters worse, you told me what your parents said happened… and then it turned out your dad was out of town. And, your Mom was obviously at home, with you the suckling babe.

    and I highly doubt you were too

    But, the thing is, I was.

    I was relaying information about documented events.

    That’s kinda like me telling a Palestnian who was at Sabra and Shatila how it all went down, based on wikipedia, right? :o

    You don’t need to be somewhere to know shit about what happened.

    It sure does help, though, when you are ridiculing somebody who WAS there.

    You and I are debating the Middle East right now

    No, we aren’t. You are making dishonest claims about Christianity and terrorism, and some of the Christians who comment on this blog.

  45. instead choosing to ignore any substantive debate…

    Go read your comment #21. Do you think you deserve to be taken seriously by me? Do you think it is “unfair” for me to insult you back? :D

  46. Patrick,

    Craig is a pathetic liar, I have never supported Islamic terrorism or any other terrorism or violence. I am totally against violence and war.

    Let him quote me where did I support ever any kind of violence.

  47. Craig, you watched the riots on TV like everyone else who didn’t live between Crenshaw and Boyle Heights

  48. And none of my comments got deleted

  49. no comment ..

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    now that macheath
    is

    back in town