Terrorist Attack In Cairo!

News reports are coming in: An explosion rocked the AlHussein touristy area in Cairo. An explosive device went off , injured at least 18 people, and killed at least 4, two of which are foreigners, and one of which is french injured 21 people and killed one french woman. There are reports that a second, smaller bomb went  off an hour later, and another bomb that was found by the police and was getting dismantled as we speak.

The timing of this highly unfortunate and suspect: the government is planning to vote on the Terrorism law- which is the emergency law, but rather permanent- on sunday, and nothing better to justify the passing of such a publically despised law than to have a nice explosion a few days before its passing.Also, a rather comical NDP MP just went on TV and accused the Taliban and Iranof being behind it. The government will of course use this to stick broomsticks up our asses for a long time to come. Fun times lie ahead, people. Fun times!

Update: Photos from the scene. Video report from BBC as well.

Update: There are reports that hand grenades were used. No one knows anything for sure.

Update: And just to calm the Persian haters..the shia wouldn;t do it, not next to alhussein mosque. Hell, those people wouldn;t even insult the late King of Jordan on their television because of his name, u think they would bomb the mosque that supposidly houses his deadbody? U kidding me?

Comments

  1. Mike Jefferson says:

    When are you “peaceful”, “moderate” muslims going to step up and rid yourselves of these murderous 8th century misanthropes?

  2. Why would Iran, i.e. Shiites, bomb the area of Imam Al-Hussein? That makes no sense whatsoever. Biggest bunch of BS.

    I’m thinking this is an unorganized, random, isolated incident… that or Palestinian vengeance possibly.

  3. My heart, thoughts and prayers go out to those who were injured and the families of those who were so senselessly murdered. If your friend Tom and his wife aren’t reading, Sam, please let them know people are thinking of them right now too –I’ve been volunteering with victims of terrorist attacks and I know that every new attack brings back the trauma for those who survived previous ones.

  4. I’m thinking this is an unorganized, random, isolated incident… that or Palestinian vengeance possibly.

    The target was foreign tourists. That makes it international terrorism, regardless of who did it or what the intent was.

  5. So you are saying the government planned the bombing to justify passing the terrorism law? God…

  6. @Craig

    Agree, I’m an international law student. My comment was in response to the BS claims made by the NDP MP rather than a belittling of the magnitude of the event.

  7. Amr, whoever claimed that sense was an essential part of terrorist reasoning…?

    Were there muslims in the WT towers? Yes.
    Were there catholics in the London tube? Yes.
    Were there catalonians in the Madrid subway? Yes.

    These people are psycopaths, plain and simple. They don’t give a shit about any general sense of justice – they care only about their own goals, and everyone else are obviously expendable… I’ts far beyond religion for them; it’s brainwashed fanatism.

    It needs to be stopped!

  8. “They don’t give a shit about any general sense of justice – they care only about their own goals,”

    Fortunately, they’re dooming their own cause, what ever it may be. As Yaeli said, “My heart, thoughts and prayers go out to those who were injured and the families of those who were so senselessly murdered.” Amen.

  9. i luv egypt says:

    J says: “So you are saying the government planned the bombing to justify passing the terrorism law? God…”

    Well it is possible. When the Algerian ruling party noticed the growing amount of Muslim Brotherhood (Algerian not Egyptian) they bombed their own people so people would stop voting to Muslim based parties politicians. In Algeria they bombed Alrgerian children so it will have a great effect and fear on the locals towards beared politicians.
    Egyptian government might try to do the same like Algeria but not to change people opinion on voting polls but to pass a certain law.

    Or it can simply be dem same fucked up Al Qayda terrorist pissed off at Egypt’s reaction towards Gaza-Israel war or just plain terrorism against the tourism (The Evil West)

  10. i luv egypt says:

    Adam says:
    “i’ts far beyond religion for them; it’s brainwashed fanatism.

    It needs to be stopped!”

    well Adam we need to stop giving them excuses or less prone to brain washing. Killing MUslim only adds fuel to the fire. Imagine there was no poverty in the Middle-East…or no blackade and white phosphorus on Gaza?

    Look at the guld countries e.g. Qatar Kuwait, Oman Bahrian…We hardly see any terrorist coming from there.Why? simply because they got cash man, they can only pray for the dead Muslims. But look how many terrorist are produced from poor countries such as Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, Defintly Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq and Syria….

    A poor person obviosuly with low education standards got nothing to loose and easily brain washed. A rich gulf person lets say from UAE dubia, only worries about his investment and his palace.

  11. i luv egypt says:

    How long ago did Egypt open the Gaza borders before the cairo explosion? Egypt did warn of opening the borders that it will affect Egypt’s national security…..Was Egypt right or trying to proove it was right?

  12. Adam, I agree. Anyone who commits acts of terrorism is a psychopath. I doubt that the government would do this—this seems to be the work of a maniac.

  13. Mike Jefferson,
    Are you suggesting that wherever you live doesn’t have a single criminal or a “Misanthrope”? And how come you don’t take the blame and
    responsibility for every child molester, serial killer, gang member living in your area, or to put it in your own words,
    “When are you “non child molesting”, “non serial killer” , “non gang member” Americans going to step up and rid yourselves of these murderous 8th century misanthropes?

  14. Mohamed, good point. We can only be responsible for ourselves. That said, it is important that individuals do not support terrorists or criminals. The best that we can do is to oppose them, and to support those who have the power to deal with them.

  15. I just checked out this report for Stratfor, an independent political think tank, which is much more valuable than the mainstream media. This is the information from the Stratfor report: The attack was likely conducted by one of the small militant splinter cells (split from the main Islamists groups). Egyptian security forces have been successful in dealing with GAI and Tawhid wa-al-Jihad ( a militant Bedouin group). These groups have renounced violence and have joined the mainstream political group. This is the second attack on this market, Khan al-Khalili, which is frequented by foreign tourists. The report noted several points: serious economic issues in Egypt (this attack will damage the tourist industry), and a growing concern over Iran, which is using Hezbollah to carry out Covert actions in Egypt. Stratfor came across a report, which could not be verified, that Iran through Hezbollah, has been sending military hardware to militant groups in Egypt. The report stated that Hezbollah has been bringing in the military hardware near Port Said and the Port Fuad areas. The Hezbollah smugglers travel by boat between the Egyptian coast to the seaport of Tyre in Lebanon. The analyst note that the report may not be true, but that it is certainly the case that Iran has heavily infiltrated Gaza, and that Egypt is concerned about the threat—Saudi Arabia shares these concerns, especially as the US and Iran revive their dialogue—as this would boost Iran’s position and undermine the governments of Egypt and Saudi Arabia…
    Hmmmmmmm not a pretty picture.

  16. If it’s terrorism against tourism they would be better 2 go and bomb Hurghada or Sharm…way more tourist dollars flow into there than anywhere else in Egypt..all of the Red Sea resorts…

    Was in Khan el Khalili in November…security wasn’t all that frankly…and there are some tourists but not many..mostly they are there for an hour or 2 2 do some shopping…and they come in the big tour buses…

    The government can pass the emergency law with no problems and if the government actually gave a shit about what the people thought, it would reign in the police that are raping and molesting its citizens left, right and centre.

    More than likely some unemployed, frustrated, poor crackpot who is tired of his way of life and just lost it…

    Terrorism will only end when they give the disenfranchised that become terrorists real jobs that give them a chance at a normal family life with their wives and children…better health care, better education, better social services…

    Sending troops does nothing..look at Afghanistan…

    Pakistan has a truce with that taliban because they just can’t fight them…

  17. anonymous, I agree with much of what you say, but poverty does not really explain terrorism or extremist views. In the fairly recent terrorist incident in 2007 at Glasgow International Airport, the terrorists were all doctors, who could have had excellent careers and advantages had they chosen. They held extreme views. Most poor people are the salt of the earth, working hard to make their lives better.

  18. My heart goes out to my country & to all those suffering because of what happened. I also feel for those in the tourism business, things were already bad because of the global recession and now this.
    Some points:
    - The latests reports: 1 dead a French girl & about 17 injured non in critical condition.
    -Only one bomb either thrown from top of a hotel or placed underneath a seating in the Plaza or thrown.
    -The bomb was apparently very close to the Mosque and we all know how many police officers are there in that area. A home-made bomb but the choice of venue is of significance here. (To the ones saying no way its Iran bec of Al-Hussein, do you think state intelligence work that way when they decide to carry-out an operation?I’m not saying its Iran but I dont think at this early stage any parties should be ruled out)
    -The bomb went off at the exact time a goal was scored in Al Ahly football game to the extent that many in the begining thought the noise was because of celebrations of the goal.
    -Who did it? Calm your horses down no one so far knows who was behind it.
    Sandmonkey: I diagree that it was the gov and your idea that its because it was trying to pass the new terrorism law. Do you honestly think our government needs an excuse to pass it? This is not the US or EU where ppl will take to the streets to prevent the law from passing. Most Egyptians know nothing and probably do not even care if the law passes or not. I find your explanation way out of touch of how things are in the country.

    Also, let’s be honest here we need to have some form of ccv cameras placed in strategic areas around the city. Cameras are already used by the poilce in demonstrations and of course to create memories with those being tortured in detention, so, at least expand their uses to a good cause for a change.
    (Of course I would hope that introducing ccvs to the streets happens through a legislation with provisions preventing the government from abusing such methods but we know how things usually work down there)

    One thing that always grabs my attention whenever we have one of those unfortunate incident is how international reporters always see these attacks as targted aginst tourists alone you know we Egyptians have suffered and still suffer from them and we do not need to have one Egyptian dead to prove that. The last two attacks in Sinai happened during our own national holidays yet reports came out saying they were tragting tourists PLEASE. From every side of it in the end the country is being targeted.

    To Mike way at the top of comments: what are we suppossed to do exactly? Did you read what Al Azhar said? did you listen to what most ordinary Egyptians think about that? Or do we as Muslims have an obligation whenever one lunatic/criminal decides to carry on such attacks to contact all international media so that you can feel that we are speaking against it. Its the fact that some think we need to do that every single time that I find strange its common sense no one (among the majority) agrees with that.

  19. I would put the responsibility on the liberal left media rather than moderate Muslims. The media is constantly excusing both international terrorism and criminal gangs here in the U.S. It should be demanding the use of tactics of non-violence, but it never does that.

  20. Yes Lynne, but what the Mike Jefferson character is implying, maybe out of ignorance or misinformation or just pure bigotry, is that the average moslem or the average egyptian in this case is not as outraged or angry from attacks like this, unlike any average decent human being anywhere in the world who would be outraged by a child molester or a serial killer, which is the natural human impulse, which is outrageous to suggest in the first place, specially that he most probably doesn’t have a clue about how people in Egypt are pissed right now from this attack.

  21. Well, if terrorists are muslims they care nothing about liberal left media,or at least not much.

    Anon
    Some your compatriots, I would say, majority of your compatriots support Hamas and/or Hizbullah suicide attacks on Israel. On the other hand many of you condemn suicide attacks or bombs on your own territory. Nevertheless suicide attacks in Israel, suicide attacks in Mumbai, suicide attacks in Cairo have the same mode of operation – they work by using terror. The problem is that condemning that kind of attack in your own country and not condemning it in some other countries bounces and hits you where it hurts..
    Like now.

  22. Mohamed.
    I really hate to point it out to you but majority of american or european child molesters and other criminals do not quote New Testament to explain their deeds, on the other hand majority of terrorist do quote Qu’ran.

  23. i luv egypt: As lynne pointed out in 18, poverty is not really an issue – many terrorist are not from a poor background (they’re too busy getting food in their bellies) and oil-rich Saudi Arabia is way up there on the list of terrorist-producing countries… It’s all about the ideology.

    Please explain how Israel using phosperous ammunition has anything to do with bombing an egyptian souq (next to a mosque, no less) and killing a french girl?

  24. anonim
    - Does that mean that a non-Muslim terrorists would care about “liberal left media”? or may be because in your own mind terrorists could only be “Muslims”
    -So if any person quotes the Holy Qur’an and committs a crime the Muslim World has to apologise and issue statements that they do not agree with that person and stating the obvious that that person is using his own religion to get away with a crime?!! What kind of a twisted logic is that? Please do some research and you will discover that some of the notorious terrorist figures and groups were at some point supported and trained by well are you ready the West, to be precise the US you see the US even pressured Egypt and Saudi to keep on sending those young ppl to Afghanstan to Bin Laden to join the fight against the communists i.e. to win a fight the US couldnt win and you know what happened after that some of them came back wanting to turn their own countries to the Islamic states that they have been brain-washed to fight for while in Afghanstan. We never got an apology from the US for that btw

    -you are mistaken because its not all the same and I am so tired of the whole mixing of what goes on against Israeli soilders and what goes on against innocent civilians any where in the World. If you are implying that ppl in the region be it Muslims or others were not saddened by what happened in India then you are wrong. If you are implying that ppl see a suicide attack on civilians in a cafe in Israel with the same eye as one on a bus of soilders then you are wrong. I could even tell you that although many like yourself think that the case of the legitmacy of a suicide attack is a clear cut issue for the majority of Muslims, that is simply not the case.
    Let’s tell things the way they are- and setting religion aside: Isreal is an occupying force therefore those occupied have the right to resist its army by all means. Any actions directed against its army is legit. Resistance is one thing terrorist attacks against civilians is a totally different thing.
    The only relevance Israel has to the issue is that it was created by fanatics and guess what fanatics on one side bring out fanatics on the other side

  25. Roman Kalik says:

    @9, tedders

    Fortunately, they’re dooming their own cause, what ever it may be. As Yaeli said, “My heart, thoughts and prayers go out to those who were injured and the families of those who were so senselessly murdered.” Amen.

    Amen indeed.

    @9, i luv egypt

    well Adam we need to stop giving them excuses or less prone to brain washing. Killing MUslim only adds fuel to the fire. Imagine there was no poverty in the Middle-East…or no blackade and white phosphorus on Gaza?

    Look at the guld countries e.g. Qatar Kuwait, Oman Bahrian…We hardly see any terrorist coming from there.Why? simply because they got cash man, they can only pray for the dead Muslims. But look how many terrorist are produced from poor countries such as Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, Defintly Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq and Syria….

    A poor person obviosuly with low education standards got nothing to loose and easily brain washed. A rich gulf person lets say from UAE dubia, only worries about his investment and his palace.

    As others have already stated, poverty level has little to do with it. In fact, I am somewhat angered every time “poverty” is mentioned as a criteria for a person holding fanatical, murderous beliefs and intentions. Look around you – with so many poor people in the world, why do so few of them go around blowing other people up?

    And frankly, the Gulf region is one of the primary sources of radical Islamists in the region. And neither were Sayyid Qutb or other notable Islamists all that poor. And Osama Bin-Laden, along with many other notable members of Al-Quaeda, *had* actual palaces.

    I am tired, quite tired indeed, of how many Muslims prefer to ignore radical Muslim preaching as long as it doesn’t bother them directly. Or blame someone else for it, like the usual enemies – ergo, The West and Israel.

    @25, anon

    -you are mistaken because its not all the same and I am so tired of the whole mixing of what goes on against Israeli soilders and what goes on against innocent civilians any where in the World

    The vast majority of people targeted in Israel by terrorism were civilians, not soldiers. These were the people who were blown up in buses, cafes, restaurants, or just while going to the market. These were the same people who had, and still have, a daily artillery barrage over their heads.

    Once you have accepted indoctrination to Holy Suicide and Holy Murder in one part of the world, don’t be surprised when it comes back to you. “Holy Enemy” is a category that is easily expanded – from Israeli soldiers to Israeli civilians, from all Israelis to all and any Westerner who happens to visit the Middle-East, and from all and any Westerner to all and any “un-Islamic” government and those who allow them to remain.

    At this point, you have essentially enabled terrorism anywhere, anytime. In your own backyard. So you’re angry when it gets there, you say “But it is different!”

    It isn’t. Maybe the whole problem is that you don’t realize yet that it isn’t. Once you’ve justified ritualized suicide and ritualized murder to one group of “enemies”, don’t expect the people in question to not redefine their “enemies” should they wish to.

    But hey, it’s much better to blame someone else, anyway… By this time next week, I fully expect this last attack to be solely blamed on Mubarak and some Zionist Allies. No actual Muslims involved. Just like the 9/11 conspiracy theory is so very much widespread in the Middle-East. Just like Bin-Laden is just an American invention. It’s so much easier when it’s Someone Else and not your next-door neighbor.

    Nothing to do with actual Muslims at all, right?

  26. Roman Kalik says:

    The only relevance Israel has to the issue is that it was created by fanatics and guess what fanatics on one side bring out fanatics on the other side

    Isn’t dehumanization of The Other fun?

  27. Mohammad, yes, I agree that this is an attack on the Egyptian people. By targeting foreign tourists, the terrorist damage the image of Egypt, the tourist business—especially bad with the recession deepening worldwide. Clearly the terrorists are targeting the Egyptian government and the Egyptian people in this way. The enemy of Islam is the radical ideology of those who use terrorism and violence, and this should be condemned by all right-thinking people. That goes for any radical ideology that uses violence. I am reassured by your statement that such acts are condemned by most Egyptians.

  28. “Egyptian government might try to do the same like Algeria but not to change people opinion on voting polls but to pass a certain law.”

    compare like with like. Algeria doesn’t depend on a tourism industry for its very existence and neither does it have a government that bends over backwards to protect tourists, police escort all tourist convoys to major tourist sites and dedicates a special police force just for them: ‘Tourist police’.

  29. Terrorism will only end when they give the disenfranchised that become terrorists real jobs that give them a chance at a normal family life with their wives and children…better health care, better education, better social services…

    anonymous,

    I fell for that hypothesis myself. Then I learned that the guys who commited 9-11 were middle class and had had good jobs. Their boss, btw., is rich as shit. A good share of the Palestinians and Lebanese who commited suicide attacks in or against Israel were middle class, with higher education and a solid income. Many of their fellows who prefer to launch rockets are middle class, too. As were both of the Israeli idiots who murdered their Arab countrymen. As were the Europeans who commited terrorist acts in Italy, Germany and Spain during the seventies and eighties. As were the UNA bomber in the US. Etc. pp. Too many exceptions from too many different societies to hold the hypothesis, I ‘d say.

    My thoughts are with Egypt. I hope the terrorists are caught, without harming innocent people and their rights.

  30. A French teenager died today while visiting my country. I am sad, angry and ashamed. I wish this never happens again.

  31. Anon, the problem is that much of the islamist terror activity in the world finds understanding in the general muslim populace. You didn’t see catholics celebrating in the streets when a bomb went off in the London tube, but you saw muslims all over the world rejoycing over the crumbling WTC towers.

    I’m sure that egyptians in general are pissed off over the recent bombing, if for no other reason than the fact that it threatens their livelyhood. I would be much happier though, if they were pissed off at ANY terrorist act, no matter who the target was…

    I wonder how the rest of the arab world feel about the bombing – are they outraged over the terrorist act and saddened at the death of the french girl or do they justify it by claiming that Egypt has brought this disaster upon themselves because of their stance during the recent israeli retalliation in Gaza?

  32. guess it was a Retaliation to the confiscation of smuggled arms across the border with Sudan couple of days ago by the Egyptian police

  33. An acute aversion to facing the problems of sharia law, both from muslim states, but also, and even worse, from the UN…!

    http://europenews.dk/en/node/13092

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrVIv1s5qzo

    Sad… :(

  34. Roman Kalik says:

    Adam, was the HRC ever about anything other than diverting the consideration of the human right violations of its own member states? It seems to have been a magnet to systematic and institutionalized human rights violators to serve on its council and even lead it.

    Even Kofi Annan, in one of his farewell addresses, said that the new HRC is little better than the old one – re-diverting any and every discussion of major human right violations, instead making special sessions on Israel all the time. And Israel alone.

  35. Religious killing like this is going to go on forever. Or as long as Islam exists.

    I am really tired and I want it to stop.

  36. Jack you seem to have missed readong on religious clensing by Christians and well I am sure that yo do not view what has been going on to the Palestinians as some form of religious killing of course the religion of the criminal matters only if he happens to be a Muslim.

  37. @ Roman: dehumanization! are you serious how else would you call ppl who left their own countries and used their own religion to justify coming all the way to occupy a land that is not their own? I do understand that the situation now has innocent civilians on both sides involved but I think ppl like yourself are the ones who dehumanize us.
    To those preaching us about how we brought it to ourselves. Well of course lack of democracy and poverty and a lower level of education are factors but you can keep on ignoring the direct role some Western countries palyed in the development of extremists as much as you want and it wont change the truth.
    You can also keep on ignoring how the events that went on in Palestine since 1940′s had nothing to do with the state of violance in the region as much as you want but we who come from that region know it did have and still has a direct relationship with religious extremisim from all 3 religions.

  38. Roman Kalik says:

    @39, anon:

    @ Roman: dehumanization! are you serious how else would you call ppl who left their own countries and used their own religion to justify coming all the way to occupy a land that is not their own?

    Pardon? Occupy? And not their own? And I assume that the Jews who were already living here were a myth? A Zionist invention?

    The Jews, anon, stayed in “Palestine” for a very long time, regardless of whatever current conqueror decided to try and cleanse them away. That some of us decided to try and come back, having decided that if one’s being cleansed one might as well get about it in that place everyone was telling us to “go back” to, is apparently a declaration of war.

    Here’s a hint – if radical Arab nationalists and Islamists were not so keen on “removing the outsiders by any means necessary”, but instead tried to live with us in peace as the late King Abdullah I of Jordan tried, there would be no “occupation” today. There would have been no regional wars, at least not ones that involved Israel.

    I do understand that the situation now has innocent civilians on both sides involved but I think ppl like yourself are the ones who dehumanize us.

    A mere two replies ago you said that it was “different” in Israel. That it was all about resisting the occupation. It is it about resisting the occupation when a suicide bomber blows himself up in a bakery in Eilat, killing all inside?

    Just wondering.

    As for “people like me” dehumanizing you, you couldn’t be further away from the truth.

    but you can keep on ignoring the direct role some Western countries palyed in the development of extremists as much as you want and it wont change the truth.

    Frankly, there is too much obsession with “The West” and its supposed guilt for everything and anything that happens in the region. Read Qutb’s writings when you get the chance – this sort of thinking was around from the very beginning of modern-day Islamic extremism.

    You can also keep on ignoring how the events that went on in Palestine since 1940’s had nothing to do with the state of violance in the region as much as you want but we who come from that region know it did have and still has a direct relationship with religious extremisim from all 3 religions.

    A diversion for dictators and an excuse for human rights violators, and little else. The pan-Arab nation (which, to some extent, actually *existed* fifty years ago) was quite intent on blaming Israel for everything and anything that happened. Including that great big invasion to cleanse the region of it’s Jewish presence.

    It has been the Great Distraction ever since. The great excuse. The eternal Lost Arab Honor and Reborn Islamic Jihad.

    If only Israel disappeared, then so will all the problems of the Middle-East, right, anon?

  39. well Adam we need to stop giving them excuses or less prone to brain washing. Killing MUslim only adds fuel to the fire.

    That’s just stupid. Even for you. The suggestion you make is to stop fighting back, eh? We already tried that, before 9/11 and it didn’t work. There are *always* excuses. The solution is for us to keep stomping on the cockroaches whenever we can, until Muslims eventually decide that supporting terrorism doesn’t get them much, but costs them dearly.

  40. Terrorism will only end when they give the disenfranchised that become terrorists real jobs that give them a chance at a normal family life with their wives and children…better health care, better education, better social services…

    Lol. “Gimme free stuff so I don’t murder people!” – that is Islam? Or is it just Arabs? Or is it just bullshit?

  41. So if any person quotes the Holy Qur’an and committs a crime the Muslim World has to apologise and issue statements that they do not agree with that person and stating the obvious that that person is using his own religion to get away with a crime?!! What kind of a twisted logic is that?

    And what kind of twisted logic is it for you to deny the widespread support that terrorist groups get in the Arab world? What is Hezbollah’s popularity rating amongst Arabs these days? When it gets down to single digits, you get to whine at us about how it isn’t the fault of Arabs, in general. In the meantime, suck it up when the whole world blames your culture for terrorism. Deal?

  42. another anon says:

    I think the khan el khalili bomb was by an exasperated reader of this blog who everytime a post about Egypt was made, found that people turned it into a post about israel.

  43. Craig,
    Generalizing and calling an entire race of people cockroaches is a tactic only used by fanatics, racists and Nazis. Can you (and your boy friend Jack at #37) ever fail to epitomize what it takes to be the pinneacle of a human piece of crap?
    PS: Did you find a job yet?

  44. Anon;

    The unspoken truth is that the killers of the Middle East have mostly been other Middle-Eastern Muslims: the Kurdish holocaust, millions butchered in the Iranian-Iraqi war, Iraq’s rape of Kuwait, Saddam’s mass graves, Syrian obliteration of Hama, Algerian massacres, the Lebanese civil war or the genocide in Darfur.

    Land, oil, religion or ethnic hatred — not Westerners or Israelis — prompted such slaughter. Blaming outsiders hurts you more than it hurts them because it prevents you from rolling up your sleeves and dealing with the demons in your midst.

  45. I luv Egypt…

    Sorry dude…but your logic is grossly flawed…If poverty were the cause of terrorism…then there should be tons of it in Gutemala, Mexico, much of China, Bangledesh, huge chunks of Africa, Honduras, great chunks of Brazil and on and on and on and on and on…According to your logic…Tibet should be FILLED with terrorists.

    There is something much more sinister here. If it is about economics and poverty…does that really explain the exisitence of Al Queda?

    Terrorism is almost purely a Muslim phenomena for decades now…and not just Mulims are poor nor are there just Muslims that see themselves as victims of “unfair” wars…

    So…maybe re-think and try again. Making excuses for this kind of filthy garbage murderers does nothing to help the Muslim or “Arab” cause…whatever that is…

  46. Yaser Helmy says:

    What cause were they trying to help anyways?

    Usually, if they’re up to something, you would have found someone claiming responsibility for it and sending a message of some sort. This didn’t happen!

    The best case scenario would be that it’s some confused a-hole of some sort. The worst case scenario was already hinted at by sand moneky.

  47. mohammed

    Calling entire race of people cockroaches is according to you the same thing as calling all terrorists cockroaches? Nice, I did not know that all Muslims were not only a race but also a terrorists, one learns something new everyday.

  48. SM…

    Sorry…but there you guys go again…and this time probably wooden ones!

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1235410694951&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

  49. AF,

    It is many years ago that I lived in your country for a while, but I still remember the time with very warm feelings. I experienced Egypt as a gorgeous country with great people: hospitable, witty, friendly, gallant, often interesting conversationalists, and good cooks in addition (I gained five kilos). I may be naïve, but it would simply never occur to me to expect anything else than feeling sad, angry and/or ashamed about such terrorist attacks is mainstream in your country. In my book, that is a good thing. Not only because it is a sign of decency, but because I think without social acceptance, terrorism is unlikely to spread within a society.

  50. Marie Claude says:

    so foreigners were targeted, then were the French targeted in this case ?

    or is it an attempt to destabilise Egypt ?

    if the French (and or Western people), is there a correlation with their presence in Afghanistan ?

    Last sumer after have killed 10 french soldiers in ambush, the Talibani /AQ warned that their will be more terrorist attack if we didn’t leave their country

    or is related to the last Hamas/Israel conflit ? where Sarkozy and Mubarak initiated the discussions ?

    Is Iran behind, cuz they hate Sarkozy ?

    so, if you have more infos, theey are welcome

  51. CarpetCaptain says:

    “Yes Lynne, but what the Mike Jefferson character is implying, maybe out of ignorance or misinformation or just pure bigotry, is that the average moslem or the average egyptian in this case is not as outraged or angry from attacks like this, ”

    They’re not numbnuts and thats the problem. Your typical “mohammad 6 pack” only thinks that those attacks are remotely outrageous if they occur in their own backyard and impact their livelihood but perfectly acceptable when it happens anywhere else. I’ve heard the average street guy refer to Osama as Sheikh Osama a sign of holding a mass murderer in high regard or refering to a suicide bomber as a “shaheed” or martyr. Whats worse is when they try to justify it or make excuses for it. I remeber shortly after 9/11 Prince Waleed Bin Talal went to NYC with a chek for $10 mill to the victims’ families. As he hands Rudy the check he has his people hand out a press release explaining that for this to stop there has to be a solution to the “Palestinian problem”. Fortunately Rudy told him to stick the cheque where the sun dont shine.

    I’ll find the poll from a year or so back that said Bin Laden was the most popular figure in the Middle East and let you explain what other meaning there is for that other than whats being suggested.

  52. Generalizing and calling an entire race of people cockroaches is a tactic only used by fanatics, racists and Nazis.

    Interesting comment, coming from you, Mohamed. We all know how you feel about Jews, after all :(

    So, tell me, what *is* the percentage of Arabs who support Hezbollah? 60%? 80%? More? How much innocent blood would Hezbollah have to shed before that might change, Mohamed? Or would it NEVER change, if that is all that happened? Am I really just making generalizations here, buddy? Don’t you, Mohamed, support Hamas? And isn’t the only reason you showed up here in this thread, to make excuses for international terrorism?

  53. No lovely , the only reason I showed up here is to make sure whether you found a new job or not.

  54. i luv egypt says:

    Howie, you can start sucking some dick for insulting my logic that you have not understood. I was trying to say that killing muslims “brothers” and “poverty” does not help preachers from brain-washing.

    Muslims support freedom fighters but not terrorists…And yes the definition of terrorism varies on a global scale. Afgans and human rights activists believe Bush is a terrorist, Gaza believe Israelis are terrorists and VV. The list goes on..They say US invasion of Iraq has caused endless bloodshed. Comparing the rate and the population size, a 9/11 is occuring everyday in Iraq. Too bad for the CIA when they did a mistake in their investigation refering to weapons of mass destruction…If Bush admited that the FBI and CIA did a huge bloody mistake, then dont be surprized if the egyptian government do the same

  55. i luv egypt:

    “Comparing the rate and the population size, a 9/11 is occuring everyday in Iraq”

    That may be so, but isn’t it quaint that it’s actually not US troops doing the killing – it’s fellow arabs! What arabs do to one another hardly qualifies Bush as a terrorist… He just deposed a nasty tyrant – how is that a mistake and why aren’t you guys celebrating?

  56. I love Egypt…

    YOU can start sucking some dick…right after I pull it out of your ass…

    That is nothing like what you said…so shut up…you are a complete fucking idiot.

    Fuck off

  57. Guys, let’s keep it civil – Sand Ape hasn’t shown up yet; no need to stoop to that level until then…! :D

  58. Adam…

    I never do…but that guy was an absolute dick starting with that kind of crap….so I repeat..

    Fuck him…a dark and lonely job…but somebody has to do it.

  59. Aristotle's Toes says:

    I luv Egypt;

    Did the Iraqis have NO OTHER CHOICE but to attack each other with bombs and electric drills because the US toppled their government?

    The American invasion of Iraq was indeed a mistake. The Iraqis are a horribly sectarian people who deserved no one’s help. They were not worth it.

  60. And yes the definition of terrorism varies on a global scale. Afgans and human rights activists believe Bush is a terrorist, Gaza believe Israelis are terrorists…

    The mentality of a child. Somebody accuses you of lying? Say “I’m not a liar! You’re the liar!!” and so on. Again I have to ask, is that Islam or just Arab culture?

  61. Craig,
    The definition of irony is you accusing someone of having a mentality of child diaper boy.

  62. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4727215.ece

    Whoever said religion, islam or otherwise, is not the cause of so much evil in this world…?!?

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