Rantings of a Sandmonkey
His people are using Bush's people tactics. Anybody surprised? Me not!
This “elegant” president has to do what “the Boogey man” Bush did?
Barry also knows that Bush got elected president twice. He learns…
Im v disappointed w him and now the future is bleak again
Cool…terrorists wear Mullet hairdo’s now…
Should make it easier to spot them…
How do you say?
“Anybody seen wear ah put mah Bud Lite?” in Arabic?
“Anybody seen where ah put mah Bud Lite?” in Arabic?
That was me 20 years ago!!!!!
You thought maybe he’d decide to play kissy-face with people who mean his country harm eh? lol. Well, anon, you may be disappointed but I’m not
By the way, after they convict that guy and he does his time, they will deport him, right?
Seriously did you catch the guys “do” That haircut alone is reason enough to give him 10-15 AND torture him…just on freaking principle.
Craig, I hope he will be deported. I wish Qatar all the joy of him. Perhaps he will bomb the headquarters of al jazeera.
I must be missing something here…
The way I read it, the US government is releasing this Al-Marri dude from indefinate qustody without trial (questionable enemy combatant status) to be charged at a federal court, thus giving him a chance to prove his innocence, or getting convicted and thrown in jail/deported for proven crimes.
What’s the problem?
About the deportation issue:
Lately here in Denmark, we have had serious problems with gangwars (Hells Angels vs. 2nd generation immigrant gangs), that have escalated to new heights sin the new year, with 3 innocent people shot dead in the street as a result so far.
Let me make this clear: murders, particularly crime-related executions, have been a rarity in my country up untill a few years ago; the latter almost non-existant! Needless to say, people (and our politicians) are shocked at what we’re seeing practically every day now!
Having a (relatively) right-wing government at present, our politicians have proposed a new law, that’ll make it easier to deport foreign citizens if they are involved in serious crime. However, many legal experts and human rights defenders have pointed out that these laws will be impossible to put into practice, because the proposed deportation will be a breach of the UN Declaration of Human Rights, which we have of course signed and support.
I’m having serious problems with the logic here, considering that a country like the US has been deporting criminal foreigners routinely for years and years, with no complaints from the UN. Why should things be different in Denmarks case? I should point out that an estimated 1/3 of the members of 2nd generation gangs are in fact NOT danish citizens, but rather children of mainly iraqi, palestinian, pakistani or turkish parents. Though born in Denmark, their parents have opted for a passport from their own native country for some reason…
Time is coming when the rest of Us are going to de-islamify the muslim world. It will start in Europe and will probably end in saudi, it is going to be ugly, dark, bloody. Here is an example of clash of cultures, muslims call mohammed the perfect man, he is what 53 and 9 year old wife, he raped her that is all that can happen between an old man and a little girl. Here in Canada, child molesters have to be placed in protective custody in prison cause the regular inmates will torture and kill them. Perfect man to musims,
is nothing but a foul baby rapist to any sane human. Egypt, one of the greatest civilizations, humanity has ever known have been so thoroughly colonized by the Arabs that they seem to barely think of them selves as Egyptians thanks islam, the Copts are your indigenous people.
Let’s get back to reality, shall we?
That first security briefing really opened Obama’s eyes!
It’s too easy to criticize when you’re not in charge, now the he has the burden of responsibility he’s “modified” his out look!! LOL
theoretically people can not be deported to the countries who have capital punishment. Furthermore some people would say that if children have been born in Denmark they are citizens of Denmark and the status of their parents have nothing to do with their citizenship. Also this problem with deportation has nothing to do with UN and everything to do with Denmark’s membership in EU and with European Convention on Human Rights. People of Denmark decided to be EU members, they gain many privileges because of their country membership so they also have to follow EU laws. You know – where there are privileges there are also duties..
So don’t complain.
As for US, i think that because some states in US have capital punishment USA can in some cases deport people to the countries who hav capital punishment. But even in the US such deportation is very difficult to do..
1. Anyone who believed anything Obama said is a fool.
2. Welcome to your future Adam. When Europe gets done trading Jews for Muslims, it’s going to be Mad Max time. Europe won’t be able to do anything about a Muslim reconquista b/c Europe can’t put its foot down. How’s the violent crime rate in Sweden, Norway, Belgium, Holland, France, Denmark, England doing these days? Must be all those horrible Joos.
That said I am very much surprised that you are surprised with the level of crime in Denmark. You knew that inviting refugees who have different customs, are used to violence and in some cases have different religion will result in increased level of overall crime and violent crime in particular. People from war-torn countries often do not take well to peacefull life. Furthermore these people have/had overblown expectation of what they are due from the society that welcomed them. The children of these parents have even bigger problems in danish society being neither fish(danes) nor fowl (pakistani, palestinians and so on). Danes do not treat them as Danes and they are not accepted in the countries they come from, because there they are thought of as Danes.
So you have problem,in fact all Western Europe has problem.
And the events in Denmark just show the tip of that problem.
Why the hell everybody now change their minds about Obama.
Obama is a politian, Obama was a politician, Obama will be a politician.
And who ever believes everything a politician says during election campaign?
It seems that many people still believe in fairy tales.
Reality defined by who, you … I’m going to assume you are referring de-islamification of the Mideast, I imagine in 1985 if someone suggested that the Soviet Union would have collapsed, or that the president of the US after Bush would be a black guy, or even a year and a half ago that the world economy would teetering on the brink of depression now, you would tell them to get real. Are you famiiar with the expression, shit happens, every dramatic change in history comes as a shock to those without foresight and even the slightest imagination. How many german Jews in the 20′s and 30′s could even conceive of what was instore. Islam is the problem, and the solution is the utter and complete destruction of this religious ideology, cause that is what is islam wants to do to the non-islamic world. Child brides, institutionalized slavery, women as chattel, this is Islam. Paraphrasing Ataturk, Islam is the stench from the decaying corpse of a degenerate Bedouin pervert, That is the reality, Mate
It should take measures to avoid terror
There is a reason why there is no affirmative action in flight schools.
There is a reason why there is no affirmative action when it comes to teaching surgery.
And with Obama, we have now learned why we should not have affirmative action when it comes to being President of the United States, and why next time, a Presidential candidate will be forced to release his college and law school grades. (Though if Obama did release them now, I wouldn’t believe them.)
Obama is an incompetant. Aside from getting elected, he has accomplished nothing. He is lazy (I refer back to his grades). He is the beneficiary of affirmative action. He can’t hold a press conference without a teleprompter. He knows nothing about the economy, he know nothing about health care, he knows nothing about how to make a profit. He is a joke.
“Furthermore some people would say that if children have been born in Denmark they are citizens of Denmark and the status of their parents have nothing to do with their citizenship.”
Regardless of what “some people” might think, being born in a country doesn’t make you a citizen of that country if your parents are citizens of another country and chooses their own citizenship for their child. If the child lives most of it’s life in the country of it’s birth and decides to aply for citizenship before it’s 22 birthday, it can readily swap. That’s the law – no if’s or but’s… If a foreigner commits a crime in your country, you should be free to deport them at your leisure, just like the US does.
It’s true that the possibility of capital punishment negates this, but only when capital punishment is an actual risk – european countries will not deport a murderer to certain states in the US for this very reason – and possesion of a weapon hardly qualifies for a death sentence anywhere…
“That first security briefing really opened Obama’s eyes!”
Yes, tedders,that’s been my feeling, too.
Face it, Bush lied, but in the opposite way that people think. Things were worse than he said, and he was shielding us from this information. And that’s why the Democrats did nothing after getting into office in 2006 and why Obama will do very little as well.
That’s the part I don’t get, Adam. It takes a pretty creative interpretation of all existing humanist philosophy and current humanitarian law to make capital punishment a human rights violation. But, whatever… on to the other issue… why would it be considered illegal to deport somebody just because their home country has a despotic government? That means all anybody has to do is make their way to a nice country of their choice, and they have carte blanche to behave however they see fit too, knowing the will not be deported. Why should they even bother with trying to comply will the norms of their host society?
Craig, I’m not sure that it IS categorized as a human rights violation…! Our laws, however, state that we cannot knowingly put a person in jeapordy of being executed (or tortured), and therefore cannot deport a person to a country where this is a possibility – considering the crime commited, of course.
As for the rest; agreed – that’s exactly my question! The alternative to deportation would have to be indefinate incarceration while we wait for the country in question to become civilized. I have no problem with that – it’s up to the foreign citizens to behave themselves while in my country.
The funny thing is, we cannot deport people to, say, Afghanistan or Palestine, because of the security situation down there, but it’s no secret that Afghanis and Palestinians living in Denmark travel “home” on vacation often enough… So, it’s safe enough to visit frequently, but not safe enough to live in?!? WTF?!?!
“Also this problem with deportation has nothing to do with UN and everything to do with Denmark’s membership in EU and with European Convention on Human Rights.”
Forgot this small point… Denmark has four opt-outs from the EU, concerning 1. the EMU, 2. the European Security and Defence Policy (ESDP), 3. Justice and Home Affairs (JHA) and 4. the citizenship of the European Union. The third point (justice and home affairs) specifies that it’s not EU rules that prohibit us from deporting foreign ciizens…
Adam, that’s the point I’m trying to make – why should enforcement of your domestic laws be dependent on conditions in a foreign country? If somebody comes to my house as a guest and acts like a complete asshole, I can’t show him the door just because his situation at home is bad? Nonsense. When I’m hosting somebody as a guest I expect them to behave decently or I’ll disinvite them, and it doesn’t seem logical that rules should be different on a national level. Your country is not responsible for conditions in other lands, but it *is* responsible for maintaining order and security within its borders and seeing after the welfare of its citizens. It seems like the government of Denmark (and other Western nations) is failing to live up to one of its primary obligations as a state, in order to pat itself on the back for being a bleeding heart liberal democracy. Time to get your priorities (and laws) in order!
Not to say we have issues in the US as well, mainly with illegal immigration. But at least we don’t hesitate to boot criminals.
I think his hair style is suffcient reason to torture and execute him…what is the big deal here?
@Jack: Oh, come on. That’s the biggest load of crock I’ve seen in ages.
It’s pretty clear that Europe is on the slow slide to Islamic domination and won’t do a damn thing about it, unless there’s a coup, which could probably only happen in the U.K. I doubt most northern European countries’ armies could put down a full scale Muslim riot.
Just for the record; all of this goes for italian, canadian, australian, south african, and swedish foreign citizens as well, not only arabs/muslims of course!!!
No international laws should dictate that my country is obligated to tolerate any foreign citizens who cannot behave themselves, regardless of how long they’ve been living in my country!
“No international laws should dictate that my country is obligated to tolerate any foreign citizens who cannot behave themselves, regardless of how long they’ve been living in my country!” That is correct – no international laws do dictate such tolerance. It is your own :uber-liberalism, fear of “offending” Muslims, and basic inability to recognize evil that dictates allowing Muslims to run rampant through your country.
If only it was so, but it seems that we’re actually in violation of the UN Human Rights… At least, that’s the view of many people, including it seems, the UN:
I realize that the complainant is actually rejected, but only on the grounds of lack of evidence; NOT because the situation in and of itself is ridiculous…! Another similar case:
I realize that these two cases do not describe people born in Denmark but with a foreign nationality, and threatened with deportation because of a criminal career, but the arguments concerning breach of UN Human Rights would be the same…
An example of the ridiculous arguments featured daily in newspapers and elsewhere:
Again… If deportation is such a terrible thing, why not just try to behave and act according to the laws of the country in which you’re a guest?!?!
On a side note, it seems I owe ella an apology – the EU human rights convention HAS been adopted by Denmark in 1993, despite our opt-out on Justice and Home Affairs (JHA).
Adam, I just skimmed that article (your last link) and it seems OK to me. Theoretically. The problem is with abuse of concepts and terms – in the same way that the Laws of War get abused to defame nations involved in politically incorrect wars. Human and civil rights are very important and a decent society should make every effort to uphold them, but not to the extent that you allow your citizens to be victimized or allow unsavory types to manipulate humanitarian immigration policies to effectively smuggle undesirables into your country.
As I said before, the US also has some trouble on both of those counts, but not to the extent Europe does!
Off topic, but my I just read this Newsweek article (hat tip Sheema)
Shock and awe line:
“We won the war in Iraq…”
Can anyone imagine that being printed in Newsweek or any other magazine, a couple years ago?
Not that I care what a piece of crap like you says and that goes for every single piece of KKK excrement above including humanity’s arch idiot called Craig, but I think you’ve confused Obama for Bush as being incompetent and lazy, yeah, that incompetent and lazy Obama was the first of his class at Harvard law, and for your information in his application he didn’t even mention his race. Jeez, I can’t believe you people are allowed on the streets.
Hey Mohamed, sorry ’bout who you were named after, baby rapist(old moe 53, and poor little Aisha 9) and all. I don’t want to call you a liar, following your namesake’s , the laughable prophet (my ass) “War is deceit” mohammed, example were did you come up with “first in his class” at Harvard line. At best an exaggeration, possibly just pure ignorance, but with a name like mohammed most likely an out and out attempt at said deception, what do you dickwads call it al-takiyya. I love it when mohammedeans scream, “Racism” meanwhile proclaiming the univeraslity of their sick faith. How is that Coptic fella set on fire by the muslim brother of a muslim girl he was rumored to be seeing, oh ya and if anyone knows the family pass on my condolences, maybe I’m wrong, but I understand his father was stabbed to death by a muslim mob too. “Abed” is arabic for slave and black man is it not, in fact there is no place on earth where slavery is practiced, without some filth trying to justify it, by citing the koran and that (may he be ass fucked by a pig, which in turn is being assfucked by a dog) prophet of yours example.
The slave trade, historians I have read estimate 10-11 million Africans were forced to north america, meanwhile in the racially harmonious arab world 15 to 20 million were seized by arab slavers. The only reaspn, and I mean the only reason there isn’t an open slave market in the muslim world is because the British and French forced and threatened the turks and arabs into abandoning it. If in some fucked up version of hell on earth islam were to become all powerful you could expect a return of this foul practice.
Citing comedian, Carlos Mencia, “Achmed you took out to of our buildings (Twin Towers), we took out two of your countries, bitch” islam is a form of pollution, it’s eradication is the only solution, that’s Me, for all you muzzies who want to kill all the Jews, watch we will be comming for you,
once all the bleedingheart babyboomers currently in power in the West retire, quietly slip into dementia, and die off. The gloves will come off, bitch
we deport them, rather expel them if they are not nationalised of if they are illegal, without regarg for EU rules, but it’s not mediatised ie our
“exceptional court” created in the earlier eighties for countring rampant terrorism, this is the lonely known court in western countries
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