Hezbollah arabic lessons

I got this e-mail today from my friend in Lebanon, and i felt I just had to share it with all of you:

Greetings rom the bekaa, where my spoken Arabic is really improving these days, thanks especially to the party of god. Three of their goons just came to the house for a two hour visit. I said I would only answer their questions if they corrected me when I spoke so I turned it into a dars Al arabi. The guy who was asking all the questions – the bad cop, if you will – said in mild disbelief 'ana almtik arabi?' (I'm going to teach you Arabic?) and then proceeded to correct my grammar and pronunciation (even at times providing verb conjugations) throughout the excruciatingly boring process, which included questions like 'ah, so you visited a friend in Italy in 2004. Who was he? Only for Christmas? What does he do?' He photographs skateboarders… 'what do you do here? I study and cook during the day, and sew at night,' at which point I held up one of my micro-dresses I had been showing off to the neighborhood ladies this afternoon.Or 'what do you like to eat in lebanon?'

They kept saying that this was all for my own security so I imagine that now that they have my photo and my food preferences on file and everyone in the village knows me, in case someone who didn't get the 'stranger in our midst' memo comes up to me on the street offering a shawarma, all the shabab will jump in to protect me, saying 'NOO!!! she only eats falafel!'

I will admit I slowed down the process a bit by writing a flash card every time a new word popped up in our conversation.

I will also say they should thank their lucky stars for the donations of sophisticated anti-aircraft weaponry etc they are getting from other countries because their local intelligence agents were truly not impressive.

Not that it matters because the whole village is HA but they just lost the votes of this household. My fake Lebanese aunt just said 'fuck HA' before she went to bed, and she doesn't say much in English.f

and then this addendum in a seperate e-mail titles " And I forgot to add.."

 Worst of all, one was wearing double denim!!! Correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure that is labeled haram in the first or second sura of the quran, if not in the preface, author's note or even the front cover. 

Comments

  1. This story reminds me of my native Romania’s communists – same methods. Small minds think alike…

    Speaking of Hezbollah, you probably know there were satirical songs about them in Israel during the last (I hope) lebanese war. We were at the supermarket buying fresh meat, and the guy serving us was an arab called Hassan, when my kid starts singing on of those songs with the opening words “I am Hassan”. I never felt so embarrassed in my whole life, and not only because “our” Hassan was holding one of those big butcher’s knives…but he never said a word, and he still smiles and jokes with me, so I guess not everybody’s Hezbollah, after all.

  2. showing her baby doll dress and got away with no attempt of rape is something goes to HA credit

  3. fucking brilliant.

    the notecards thing was priceless.

  4. they sound oddly more like Lebanese General Security than Hizbullah. I’ve had friends questioned by GS agents who also seem specialize in denim-on-denim and irrelevant-but-highly-detailed questions.

    in any case, kudos to your friend for making lemonade out of lemons and turning the questioning into an Arabic lesson so it would be 1) less intimidating and 2) actually useful.

  5. Very nice post, it actually reminds me of something of my buddies said a while back–it’s the irony of ironies that the middle east is.

  6. Well. ask any Arab about the list of silly questions we have to answer to get a visa and then to get a residancy into the US or EU. Why do we have to accept it but you find it odd to be questioned by their security personnel?
    Could someone plz explain why most of the silly comments here have to throw a line about Quran and tie it to their topic? I get the mockery and how it makes you feel like a better person insulting a holy book etc but seriously its not funny at all and if anything makes you sound like an ignorant person.

  7. Pisa do not forget the kids of your country writing hate messages on the missiles launched into Lebanon back then. So, may be Hassan was thanking God that he only gets to listen to your hate songs instead of getting one of your missiles with your hate messages.

    If any thing, HA proved to have better intellegence during the past few years than Israel itself.

  8. Pisa,
    So for an arab to get your seal of approval, all he has to do is take humiliating comments and insults from your rude and racist infused kids with a stupid smile on his face? I don’t know why didn’t your kids go further and start kicking and grabbing him like the crazy settlers kids do on a daily basis in the west bank? If he was still smiling and joking with you, would you still be happy? Seriously, would you still have an ounce of respect for that idiot? What if showed the slightest hint of discomfort by your little freaks? Would you categorize him as a crazy hateful arab? Because, how dare this lowly, unworthy arab not return the misbehavior of your precious kids with an idiot’s smile on his face.

  9. Marie Claude says:

    so, peace ? seems that HA’s been brainwashed by basic polpotians of Iran

  10. Sand Ape says:

    Thank you Anon I was deeply touched my your response, thanks for speaking out like that.

    Thank you Mohamed as well for telling it like it is.

    Your remarks encouraged me to leave comments again and thank you after a short absence. Hatred of an entire religion is sheer evidence of ignoramia, especially when it comes to Islam, the most hated religion by colonial and zionist entities. Because how dare we not smile when they steal our land, water, dignity, rape our kids and make us all out to be terrorists while they have the audacity to try and justify it,

    PA-thetic

  11. Sand Ape says:

    And its really really hard to respect the Sandmonkey when he is such a homo like this. Why in Gods name would you even post crap like this, its trash? Poor poor SM, are you still so really hurting for attention that posting this trash is the only way you can get it? “But hey, if an Israeli pats me on the back then its worth it. I don;t see any other people ever patting me on the back besides them.” Do you really feel so uncomfortable in your own skin that you have to digress in such a way. Your actions are second only to pedophilia you know. What a faceless and shameless soul!

  12. Roman Kalik says:

    #6, anon:

    Pisa do not forget the kids of your country writing hate messages on the missiles launched into Lebanon back then.

    “To Nasrallah with Love”? Hardly what I’d call hate messages against the Lebanese people.

    I wonder, do you listen to the statements coming out of the mouth of your precious Sayed Hassan Nasrallah with the same attention to detail that you give to that which makes your hate of Israelis supposedly more justified in your eyes?

  13. Roman Kalik says:

    #8, Mohamed:

    So for an arab to get your seal of approval, all he has to do is take humiliating comments and insults from your rude and racist infused kids with a stupid smile on his face? I don’t know why didn’t your kids go further and start kicking and grabbing him like the crazy settlers kids do on a daily basis in the west bank?

    Dehumanization and demonization of the so-called “enemy”, check.

    Twisting facts to suit said dehumanization and demonization, check.

    Maybe, and this is probably one of those *little* details that pop to one’s head… Maybe Hassan the shop attendant knew the song, and knew that it had a very particular Hassan in mind? One he didn’t much like himself, considering the fact that he and his own family were just as at risk as everyone else, regardless of the “Sayed’s” silly racist apologies?

    “Sorry there, brothers, didn’t mean to kill your children! I was aiming at the *other* children! You know… the ones belonging to your Evil Jewish Neighbor. Just move out of the way, please, lest I shed pure Arab blood by mistake once more.”

  14. Sandape, just out of curiosity, assuming your a mohammedean, This struck me, “Your actions are second only to pedophilia you know”, so you hold said pedophilia as a a significant crime, eh? So How do you survive in world that holds a child rapist as the Moral Exemplar. I am of course talking about old mohammed, he was what 53 or 57 when he consummated his marriage with poor little Aisha, who was 9. Now any sane adult will tell you that the only thing that can happen under such circumstances is child rape. What is it religiously induced psychizophrenia, or just plain old hypocrisy. Islam has ravaged the minds and souls of its’ victims, that is muslims, so sad

  15. “Pisa do not forget the kids of your country writing hate messages on the missiles launched into Lebanon back then”.

    Really, Anon? So I guess kids in Lebanon are allowed to play freely with missiles in lebanese army bases. However, israelis don’t share your wonderful views on education, therefore israeli kids are not allowed anywhere near missiles…Sorry, you’ll have to get your hate messages from someone else.

    Sand Ape said to Sandmonkey: ” Your actions are second only to pedophilia you know”. As opposed to the proud Hezbollah members, I suppose?
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=17f_1235998372

    Mohamed: you stupid lowlife have no idea what that song was about, you just go on with your ugly blind hatred. I won’t bother answering any of your comments from now on, I won’t even bother reading them.

  16. Pisa,
    Chill down girl. It’s not my problem your precious brats are driving you insane.
    Sand ape,
    Don’t be so hard on the monkey, he’s doing what he has to do to maintain significance, I don’t have a shadow of a doubt that he despises most of his freakazoid readers, unless he’s totally insane of course. He’s doing what he’s got to do, you don’t have respect him just don’t judge him.

  17. hey mohamed,

    You make me weep and laugh at the same time, I weep for the humanity of arab peoples, in that there is nothing genetically wrong them they are undoubtedly the same as the rest of our Grand Family. I laugh when their deluded voices are raised in appeals to logic and mutual respect. Like no one ever reads their koran, one one has ever understood the appeals it contains for muzzies to hate, rape, conquer. That we have never heard of the muslimbrotherhood or seen the persecutions of religious minorities in their countries or the out and out racism of their silence and support for the extermination of black Africans in Sudan. We will not read that mental
    midget, sayed qtub, or hear the sermons delivered by your clerics, It is like islam shaves a large percentage off your IQ. Here’s the horrible truth the koran is a fabrication, a great lie, your countries are shitholes because of the psychology, or is it pathology created by centuries of islam. It isn’t the Jews, or the English, or the Great Western Conspiracy against islam that makes most of the muslim world, most peoples least desired places to live on this planet. What is the MB’s great slogan, “Islam is the solution”, no islam is your problem and if you don’t get rid of it it will be your destruction

  18. Oh my, the buning hatred around here is melting the ice on Pluto.
    To even things out, I’m sending my love to all you raging righteous folk, as well as my best wishes for you to get laid and relax, amen.
    And Sandmonkey, thanks for the post, I enjoy all of them though I don’t usually take the time to say it:)

  19. Actually there are photos as proof that Israeli kids were having a day trip to write hate massages on the missiles. You might choose to forget about them but emails with those photos were circulating last time Lebanon was hit. There is no comparison what so ever between the level of hate-teaching Israelis feed their kids and what Nasrallah say. At least Nasrallah speaks about an army and authority that is an occupier and keeps on attacking his country and invade parts of it.
    To the ediot Carmen: do you know at what age ppl in EU used to have sex back then? Do you happen to know that girls in warmer countries get their periods earlier than those in colder weather countries? Do you also know that back in those days there was nothing like the wating till the girl/guy reaches 18/21 to be eligible for marriage? And at what age do teenagers actually have sex in EU and the US in the present time?
    Also, our religion is called Islam not mohamedanian we are not like Christians who worship christ and so the religion takes on his name.

  20. Carmen if you hate us so much and hate the way we live then Im wondering what makes you care for our news and what makes you stop at SM’s blog but then of course its clear to spread ur hate and ignorance. If Islam was a violent religion that hates the other like you claim it is then Muslim countries wouldnt have till date chrisitan, jewish and other religions. That is something that EU and Americans are still new at accepting the other. I m also always amused by the those who choose to forget how their ancestors were living before they got/stole so much of the muslim culture and the discoveries and inventions reached by scientists living under such a terrible system.
    Jews and chrisitans committed so many crimes yet ppl like you choose to only focus on what a handful of Muslims did.
    Part of why things are bad in MENA is thanks to the so called democratic countries who invaded us, drawn up borders made to creat differences and keep on profiting of thier old colonies till date while supporting the non-democratic regims because they know if we ever have democratic one they will never be able to profit from us as much. Wake up darling your country is probably going bankrupt and things are changing and on the long run we have a better chance at having a better way of life that you do. Good luck living with your ignorance and hate-filled heart I really pitty you

  21. Roman Kalik says:

    #19, Anon:

    Actually there are photos as proof that Israeli kids were having a day trip to write hate massages on the missiles. You might choose to forget about them but emails with those photos were circulating last time Lebanon was hit. There is no comparison what so ever between the level of hate-teaching Israelis feed their kids and what Nasrallah say. At least Nasrallah speaks about an army and authority that is an occupier and keeps on attacking his country and invade parts of it.

    http://ontheface.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2006/7/20/2142505.html

    This, Anon? I assume you have a rudimentary control of the English language? Then please, go ahead and read what the kids wrote. At the beckoning of about a dozen reporters. Go ahead and read Lisa’s article as well – at times I find myself agreeing with her.

    They artillery position in question was not far from Kiriat Shmona, by the way. You know, that little town near the Lebanese border that Hezbollah bombed for, oh… a few decades now? And then, when the townspeople actually had some peace and quiet for a while, getting a chance to find out how the sky actually looks like and not a reinforced concrete roof, up comes Sayed Hassan Nasrallah and bombs them again. As cover for a cross-border raid.

    And then he keeps on bombing…

    Nasrallah talks about an army? About authority? About occupation and attacks against his country? Then gee, what exactly was he doing launching an attack into *my* country, and then reveling at every bit of suffering he managed to inflict? Or didn’t you hear those particular speeches? Or the time when he publicly apologized to Israeli Arabs of Nazareth for accidentally murdering kids from the wrong ethnicity?

    If the Great Hassan Nasrallah was fighting an army, I have yet to see it. His war effort was 90% focused on the civilian populace of his “Great Enemy”. But that doesn’t quite matter, now does it? All is just when one fights the Great Enemy, the Occupier, the Invader. All means are just, just like all of *his* means are unjust. And what did he achieve, what did he seemingly do it all for?

    He did it to free a notorious child-murderer, one Samir Kuntar. Yeah, Score One for the Resistance on that one, for sure.

    Before you comment about what Israelis supposedly teach their children, Anon, you might want to check what you teach your own. Including the part where you dehumanize your so-called enemies down to their kids.

    But then again, in your mind, we *must* be the ones hating, right? And we *must* be teaching our own children to hate. This *must* be true. Because if it just so happens that we’re not the racist monsters you prefer to believe we are, something quite basic in your current world view might just shatter.

    And then you’ll be left wondering if it was ever worth it.

  22. Roman Kalik says:

    #20, Anon:

    While I find Cameron to be a rather despicable human specimen, there are still some issues you haven’t been quite accurate about:

    If Islam was a violent religion that hates the other like you claim it is then Muslim countries wouldnt have till date chrisitan, jewish and other religions. That is something that EU and Americans are still new at accepting the other.

    Once upon a time, Islam was indeed far more accepting toward the other – or at least, that particular other that ascribed to a Monotheist faith predating current-day Islam. Life was certainly easier, for a religious minority living in the Middle Ages, in Muslim lands.

    You have since expelled most of your Jews, didn’t quite try to make conditions hospitable in those few places that they remained in in your lands, and the Christians aren’t exactly increasing in number either, to say the least. This was never really just a matter of Islam, really – most of this occurred through the rise of pan-Arabic nationalism, and its subsequent fall.

    The result, though, remains the same.

    I m also always amused by the those who choose to forget how their ancestors were living before they got/stole so much of the muslim culture and the discoveries and inventions reached by scientists living under such a terrible system.

    Yes, I’m sure we can spend a great deal debating who “stole” what from whom, and when, and who is the “just owner” of this and that and whatnot. And how *this* is *surely* a product of pure Islamic thought and nothing whatsoever to do with those who came before them…

    And for that matter, those who came afterward. Because *obviously*, they were merely thieves.

    You might want to examine just where you yourself lie in terms of hate and supremacist thought, anon.

  23. @ Roman
    Muslims didnt start throwing out Jews for no reason.(and I dnt see how Islam is relevant here you are talking about individual countries). The path towards creating Israel is what brought that on. With some members of the community involved in Zionist movement and carrying out acts against their own countries something had to be done. While I do not agree with the way the entire community was made to feel unwelcomed instead of insuring those who felt they belonged to their country are reassured and protected and using law to deal with those acting against it, I can see how difficult the situation was. Also, it is not true that all of them left bec of persecution in fact there is not one evidence to show there was any particular policy towards them and many of those who are wealthy left long before. And I always wonder why didnt their leaders stand-up and defend their national indentity as citizens of these countries and made their position regarding a bogus Israeli country on the ruins of the ppl of palestine clear?

    Granted societies are not as understanding as they used to be but do not forget that all are suffering not only the minorities. When you have a non-democratic system that only serves its own interests eventually ppl will start turning against each other and take their anger on each other because they simply do not have the power to take their anger on their opressors. It’s not about Islam, chrsitianity or Judaism its about human behavior.

    You must be kidding the Muslim Empire made no secret that a massive translation movement was going on infact thanks to them many rare manuscripts were translated and kept and eventually made way to EU. At a later stage scientists started building upon that knowledge and some reached their own discoveries and inventions. Or are you accussing ppl like Ibn Sina and Khawarezmy of stealing even though their contributions are acknwledged in our present time?
    Unlike you I see each civilization as a contributor and knowledge is an accumilation process and new inventions and discoveries depend on what others left. What you are saying about them being “theives” is your own opinion and nothing credible is their to support it. What is supported is that at some point in human history this civilization contributed and that some of its contributions were carried on to EU.
    I have no hate for any one and I do not believe in the supremacy of any race to the other I simply do not like it when foreigners who choose to come to our countries mock every single thing and object to something as simple as security questions and yet find it ok that we get interrogated with silly questions implying that we are all terrorsits. I also do not like it when irrelevant references are made to a holy book and a religion that the writer is clearly ignorant about for no clear reason. And on top of all that I pitty those who think just because their countries are at better positions now that gives them the right to tell us how to change our lives or live our lives. They and not me are the ones who are full of hate and supremacist ideas.
    Finally, are you telling me that the Hassan accepting hate songs from Israeli kids is a funny story? a nice story? or a supremacist and racist story? and what does it say about what those kids are being taught? and who is teaching hatred to the new generation then? And am I being a supremacist because I stated an evidenced fact about Israeli kids made to write hate masseges on the missiles? NO
    Finally, the part about the effect of the finanical crisis is very true and I meant it not as a mockery but as a possible future change. It’s not a secret that EU and US is going bankrupt. Its not a secret that even with the finanical cirsis Arab money is still there. We have a much younger population unlike EU and change will come eventually. And when that happens the West needs to realize that the rules of the game will change because no democratic regimes will allow such wide-scale misuse of our resources for the sake of serving one of our Western friends. Not to mention there are now other players who do not behave as if they are better than everybody else. if you do not believe me read on how Africa has been gradually truning its back on US and EU investors and embracing the China.

  24. Odd, I don’t recall you being quite this hatefilled and ignorant, Anon…?

    Pisa is obviously embarrased that an arab she considers friendly might be upset at hearing his name in a mock-song, even though this is clearly directed at another “Hassan”, who deserves every bit of ridicule sent his way. I’m sure every ethnical german Adolf in the US during the 1940′s had to listen to a lot of abuse of his name as well…

    Although I don’t aprove of bringing children into the picture whatsoever when war is concerned, it’s quite obvious that the israeli children had a specific recipiant in mind when they wrote on the missiles, not just arabs in general – can anyone blame them for feeling this way against an enemy that wants their utter destruction? Anyway, It’s not like the arabs are much better at keeping children out of the conflict… Farfour anyone?

    “we are not like Christians who worship christ and so the religion takes on his name.”

    Really? Then how come it’s obviously blasphemy to insult the prophet?

    “I m also always amused by the those who choose to forget how their ancestors were living before they got/stole so much of the muslim culture and the discoveries and inventions reached by scientists living under such a terrible system.”

    Heh, ridiculous claim… Most cultures have something to offer civilization (particularly during their haydays, when they’re NOT doing their best to oppress their citizens) but it always builds on what came before. Much of what the arabs knew and improved on were “taught” to them by the ancient greeks. Much of what the arabs are learning today they are being taught by the western world, who in turn learned much from the greek, roman, and arab worlds of millenia gone by…

    “Part of why things are bad in MENA is thanks to the so called democratic countries who invaded us, drawn up borders made to creat differences and keep on profiting of thier old colonies till date while supporting the non-democratic regims because they know if we ever have democratic one they will never be able to profit from us as much.”

    Another ridiculous claim… The countries that invaded the ME 2 centuries ago were far from the democracies seen today. The policy of colonialism is one that has long since been abandoned by the west and land (including much improved logistics, sanitation, educational systems, etc.) has been given back to it’s rightfull owners all over the world – we cannot be faulted for the fact that these seem to be incapable of building up functioning societies, even with ongoing massive funding from our side.

    “and on the long run we have a better chance at having a better way of life that you do.”

    How on earth did you come to this conclussion?!? :D

    “Good luck living with your ignorance and hate-filled heart I really pitty you”

    I’m sure he feels the same way – what a great future this world is facing with nutcases like you two walking the earth… :(

  25. “I simply do not like it when foreigners who choose to come to our countries mock every single thing and object to something as simple as security questions and yet find it ok that we get interrogated with silly questions implying that we are all terrorsits.”

    Don’t you think there’s a huge difference between having to fill out a form before arriving in a country and having “security” personel intrude on your home once you’ve been allowed entry and have arrived safely at your destination? In case you didn’t know, EVERYONE have to fill out these forms before arriving in the US, not just arabs(muslims…

    “And on top of all that I pitty those who think just because their countries are at better positions now that gives them the right to tell us how to change our lives or live our lives.”

    The problem arises when “you” insist on carrying your problems across the border – I doubt that the people of Lockerbie had any interest in how you run your own countries, but that didn’t stop “you” from dropping an airplane on their heads…

    “Finally, are you telling me that the Hassan accepting hate songs from Israeli kids is a funny story? a nice story?”

    You still don’t get that the “Hassan” of the song is Nasrallah, do you?!?

    “It’s not a secret that EU and US is going bankrupt.”

    You’re right, it’s not a secret – it’s just plain nonsense… :D Take it from one who is living here and seeing housing prices on the rise once again.

    “We have a much younger population unlike EU and change will come eventually”

    And what are they actually doing…?

    “because no democratic regimes will allow such wide-scale misuse of our resources”

    Too bad there are no democratic regimes in the area, isn’t it…?

    “Africa has been gradually truning its back on US and EU investors and embracing the China”

    Yup – wonderfull turn of events, isn’t it?!? The poorest and most violent continent on the planet is turning to the greatest tyranny on earth – what a joyous future we’re moving towards, and you’re actually delighted at the prospect??!!

  26. “Finally, are you telling me that the Hassan accepting hate songs from Israeli kids is a funny story? a nice story?”

    I think Anon is smart enough to understand the story about the two Hassans, he just doesn’t want to. Because it proves that israeli arabs are not the unhappy-oppressed-miserable people he thinks they are. It proves that an israeli arab can, unlike Anon, understand the difference between hate and humour. It proves that the “zionist entity”, the “apartheid state of Israel”, actually makes life easier for arab citizens, compared to, say, the palestinian refugee camps in Hezbollah’s Lebanon – so that israeli arabs can actually agree with jews, against their arab Hezbrothers! With zionist israeli jews, no less!

    No, Anon, this is not a nice story. This is a wonderful story – it proves that not every Hassan has to be the ennemy. I hope it will prove to you that not every “*berg” has to be your ennemy, as well.

    And if you still think that this is “a supremacist and racist story”:
    http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/pisa4you/95625cfe.gif

  27. Roman Kalik says:

    #23, Anon:

    Muslims didnt start throwing out Jews for no reason.

    Oh, they most certainly did. The moment you take a populace, paint it with the same brush, and then treat it in kind… well, yes, you most certainly act for no explainable reason other than racism and bigotry.

    (and I dnt see how Islam is relevant here you are talking about individual countries)

    The countries in question all had one thing in common. And in some cases, used the religion as further justification for the hatred – or should we ignore Saudi Arabia, the Muslim Brotherhood (particularly Qutb’s writings), and so on?

    Should we perhaps ignore the hate preaching going on today in so many countries, justified as it is by targeting merely “Zionists”?

    The path towards creating Israel is what brought that on. With some members of the community involved in Zionist movement and carrying out acts against their own countries something had to be done.

    “Hey, I found a Jew who wants to go to Israel. Let’s kick ‘em all out and take their houses!”

    Yes, “something had to be done” is indeed applicable. If an individual commits crimes against his country, you arrest him. You don’t arrest his neighbors and *their* neighbors along with him and take them all in for torture sessions. Nor do you then confiscate all their belongings and give them the boot.

    That, by the way, is how it went in Egypt. In other countries, for example Syria, the process was far more violent.

    Also, it is not true that all of them left bec of persecution in fact there is not one evidence to show there was any particular policy towards them and many of those who are wealthy left long before.

    It was actually the wealthy who tended to stay along and try to keep what they had, or at least those who had any form of real estate and strong community ties. They were often the ones to leave last – and the ones who lost the most, as they left after having their property confiscated or looted.

    And I always wonder why didnt their leaders stand-up and defend their national indentity as citizens of these countries and made their position regarding a bogus Israeli country on the ruins of the ppl of palestine clear?

    Perhaps they didn’t like your new national identity, focused as it was on Arabic might – the Druze and the Bedoin didn’t like it much, either, nor the Kurds. You left no room for them in your New World. Perhaps they didn’t see Israel as bogus, and didn’t much like your invasion of Palestine – which was the main catalyst for its ruin.

    Perhaps it was because the persecution you brought upon their heads was merely part of a larger tread – a middle-east for Arabs Only.

    When you have a non-democratic system that only serves its own interests eventually ppl will start turning against each other and take their anger on each other because they simply do not have the power to take their anger on their opressors. It’s not about Islam, chrsitianity or Judaism its about human behavior.

    I tend to agree with you on that count, and in many cases the rulers encouraged this very behavior. It was, after all, much simpler for the regimes if the majority took its anger out on the minorities – it meant the majority wasn’t blaming its own leadership.

    But it still happened. And Islam was sometimes used as the pretext.

    Or are you accussing ppl like Ibn Sina and Khawarezmy of stealing even though their contributions are acknwledged in our present time?

    Quite the contrary, I merely attempt to show the absurdity of your own “stealing” claims. The contributions of one do not eliminate the contributions of the other – and it is *all* a process of building on the foundations left for you, time and time again.

    Unlike you I see each civilization as a contributor and knowledge is an accumilation process and new inventions and discoveries depend on what others left.

    You may want to re-read your own previous statements, then. Just to check if they showed that opinion in any way whatsoever.

    I have no hate for any one and I do not believe in the supremacy of any race to the other I simply do not like it when foreigners who choose to come to our countries mock every single thing and object to something as simple as security questions and yet find it ok that we get interrogated with silly questions implying that we are all terrorsits.

    Since when is a militia group a legitimate representative of state security? I think the absurdity of the interrogation may have had something to do with the fact that Hezbollah isn’t even a legitimate state security apparatus in the slightest. It just takes power where it can.

    I also do not like it when irrelevant references are made to a holy book and a religion that the writer is clearly ignorant about for no clear reason.

    That may have had something to do with Hezbollah’s so-called Holy Cred. If you abuse your religion for political goals, expect it to return back to you in the form of mocking – which is precisely what happened here.

    Finally, are you telling me that the Hassan accepting hate songs from Israeli kids is a funny story? a nice story? or a supremacist and racist story?

    I still fail to understand why it is racist to sing humorous songs about Hassan Nasrallah, and why doing so must somehow reflect upon the entire so-called Arab Nation. Perhaps you’re chasing shadows?

    and what does it say about what those kids are being taught?

    That they don’t like the specific guy who orders people to lob missiles on them?

    Again, hating Hassan Nasrallah is not the same as hating every Arab in the world. Is ridiculing the man who glorifies in their suffering something bad for children to do? I guess it is, if the person in question happens to be of Arabic descent. Because then, you somehow insult the entire Arab populace of the world.

    And am I being a supremacist because I stated an evidenced fact about Israeli kids made to write hate masseges on the missiles? NO

    “made to write?” Yeah, by international news reporters happily snapping pictures. And even then they only wrote messages of humoristic content to the Hassan Nasrallah rather than to Lebanese in general.

    Incidentally, in Israel, when a military man lets children enter an army position, he gets tried – which is what happened in this case. Shall we examine what happens in Lebanon, when the so-called Holy Warriors start launching their Holy Rockets from your front lawn?

  28. Anon,

    Could someone plz explain why most of the silly comments here have to throw a line about Quran and tie it to their topic? I get the mockery and how it makes you feel like a better person insulting a holy book…

    Doesn’t “Hezbollah” translate to “Party of God”? Isn’t Nasrallah an Islamic cleric? I don’t understand why you think it’s inappropriate for people to bring the Quran and Islam into the discussion when they criticize HA and its leaders. If you were living in the US and you were questioned at length and against your will by some of Jerry Falwell’s thugs from the moral majority, you wouldn’t mention the bible and Christianity? Yeah. Right.

    And your comparisons to questions Arabs have to answer from US state department officials to get a visa came across as a bit bizarre. You are comparing an Islamic terrorist group and armed militia to the US Department of State? OK. Fine. If that’s the world you like to live in (and it seems that it is) then have fun with that. Just don’t expect the rest of humanity to endorse your whacky lifestyle and culture. And don’t expect anyone to sign off on your moral relativity, either.

  29. I m also always amused by the those who choose to forget how their ancestors were living before they got/stole so much of the muslim culture and the discoveries and inventions reached by scientists living under such a terrible system.

    That was pretty funny, Anon :D

    Muslims conquer the Eastern Roman Empire, which encompassed ancient Greece and ancient Egypt both, and also conquer Persia… three of the most advanced civilizations of the ancient world… and then you not only take credit for “inventing” things that you in fact inherited from the ancient cultures you conquered but you accuse the Western world (which you tried to conquer, but failed badly at) of “stealing” stuff from you! :P

  30. anon,

    Writing hate message addressed to Nasrallah is much less than fella deserves.
    And please, do not equate Nasrallah with Lebanon. I am sure it is insulting to great number of Lebanese.

  31. and then you not only take credit for “inventing” things that you in fact inherited from the ancient cultures you conquered but you accuse the Western world (which you tried to conquer, but failed badly at) of “stealing” stuff from you!

    Deja vu. Talk about Israel the Arab/Muslim land. :)

  32. Aristotle's Toes says:

    Anon

    makes you feel like a better person insulting a holy book…

    Not all books are holy to all people.

    There are 5 billion other people in the world who aren’t Muslim and who don’t give a whit about your holy books or your holy men, just like you don’t give a whit about theirs.

    Open your eyes a bit …

  33. Craig,
    I was starting to miss you, but thank goodness, humanity’s arch fart is back with a venegence.

  34. And who cares who you miss or who you don’t, Mohamed? It’s not like you can’t find some other random person to abuse, right? Is it because I’m one of the few people here who doesn’t just ignore you?

  35. Aristotle: Where did you read that I think all others believe in what I hold as holy? and I do not need you to tell me to open my eyes perhaps you are the one who needs to open your eyes and mind and realize that insulting others believes wont get you any where each to his own. What I wrote about Mohamedanian is true we are Muslims and not referred to by our prophet and christianity took its name from Christ where or how was that insulting. And is it insulting to reply to an ignorant hateful comment misrepresenting my religion and off the topic?
    Craig: To be more accurate those who lived in the Islamic Empire (not all Muslims) built on what they got and did come up with new ideas and inventions and they didnt deny the original sources. You might hate to think about that but it is the truth. I clearly wrote stole after a /so I meant some were taken by the West w properly identifying the source and others werent and thats not my theory bec there has been some questioning of the source of some ideas presented by westner intellectuals. Also, read on how develped countries took over so many things freely and then promoted IPRs protection once they managed to creat their own stuff and so denying now developing countries chance to use the same access to knowledge they themselves used years before. In all cases that is not the core issue here.
    Why is it becoming so common that if someone disagrees with you he/she must be the enemy a hater, a terrorist etc? This attitude is all gossip girl like and childish. You can think what you want about me I have the right to think differently and say so. I also have the right to state the obvious that some who comment here only use it to spread their own hate and pretend as if they ve got life all sorted and figured out and that just because their country is listed as a developed country or a democracy that gives their politicians and them the right to tell us how to live our lives and how to adapt their own ways.

    I just love how all of you ganged-up on me thinking Im defending Hassan Nasrallah or HA I am not Lebanese and so I really see him and HA as a national issue. Whether or not it is ok for HA to play such a security role is a Lebanese matter. If you go into an area where it is well known that security is dealt with by HA then thats the system and as a foreigner you need to accpet the rules or leave or never come in the first place.

    Visa and security issues: the one who commented it happens to all I have to say you know nothing. First of at least in my country details of all my travels are shared among the US and EU embassies w/o asking for permission. Besides the silly list of questions we have to answer to in the embassies the guys are usually taken into interrogation upon arrival in any US port. Also, in some EU countries if you come from a ME country and applying for residancy you have to do a personal interview with a sillier set of questions “I was told I seem to be a nice girl and not a terrorist and then I was wondering if I would get the same comment if I was wearing a hijab). Nevermind the notion behind all these procedures that simply imply that we are all potential terrorists. Nevermind the clear gap that system has since actually some terrorists were EU nationals to start with. Nevermind that in most ME countries nationals of those same countries are usually granted visas on spot in the airport. Point is these are the rules ppl accept them bec if you wish to be in another country its either you accept its entry and security rules or just do not come. What I was simply saying that it might come as a surprise to the person telling this story and some of you but the same applies to you when you visit our side of the World.

    The Hassan story: my issue wasnt the Nasrallah part my issue was Hassan. Are you ppl implying he could do something about those racist kids? seriously? Like what ask their dad why do you insult me like that or its not funny? are you also telling me that if he was a fan of HA he could have said that and objected to the singing? May be he was smiling at the irony of having kids of ppl who came as immigrants and took over his land chanting such songs to him what an irony indeed.

    The photos of the kids writing on the missiles: I would have said I am surprised that some ppl could actually have the mind and guts to defend that but well Im sad to say I am not we saw ppl justifying everything from hitting specifically children, targetting a family on a beach picnic, hitting shelters twice in the same city. Regardless which side is dragging its kids into this and the extent of doing so, there is nothing to justify that NOTHING.

    Granted some countries do much needed development projects in MENA very few though do it w/o asking for something in return. The US for example gets to exert some pressure on Egypt and even demand some positions in return of the aid it gives. BTW Im loving Mubarak rejecting the modified aid and seriously I hope he takes the step a lot of ppl have been demanding to officially reject American aid.

    Also, these countries that colonized us for years never paid compensations. They do not even provide sufficient scholarship, educational, training or development programs to make up of the years and years of exploitation. Instead our region is one of the best markets for their businesses and some cities are even amazing places to work like Dubai for e.g.

    Our problems coming to you: well I love it when some choose to ignore the role the US and some Western governments played regarding these problems, Im assuming you are referring to terroists here. The US played an essential role in expanding these networks and traning them because back in the days they needed their help. Bin Laden who by the way hates us as much as he hates you, is almost a US product. Also, why arent you questioning your governments about why they gave refugee status to wanted terrorists? and what type of cooperation was going on during the war against the USSR in Afghanstan? and how do you expect ppl to feel when they have american army basis all around their countries? Americans refused to have a reputable Emirati company run a port and yet find it ok for their army to be deployed in other countries. and why arent you questioning how your governments are dealing with presidents and monarchy who have so little regard to human rights since you care so much about human rights?
    Africa & China: you might think that in that side of the World the west was a better business partner but you are wrong again this came and comes with the power to exert a lot of pressure on countries receiving aid when needed. As for human rights, granted there is much more respect for human rights in Europe and in the US but we all saw how when needed these rules are set aside and the issue of shipping suspected terrorists to countries known for their torture techniques is still pretty much a live. Also, just recently how Hilary praised Mubarak ignoring all the human rights violations carried out by members of his regim.
    I am just wondering, in your democracies do you hold your governments responsible for thier role in what has been going on or are you only harsh critics on ME ppl?!!!

  36. Anon;

    The Ottomans colonized you for centuries, a lot longer than the Europeans. Take your complaints to them.

    Those American bases are present in those countries by permission of the governments.

    Western companies helped the petro states develop their resources and made them rich. The locals had no knowledge of how to extract oil from the ground and refine it.

    With oil at 4 USD a barrel last year who really is being exploited here?

    Ask those oily princes for aid and compensation. Maybe they can give you some gold toilets or something.

  37. Anon:

    Our reaction on the Nasrallah issue stemmed from your lack of acknowledging that you understood that the childs song was about a specific person (political group), not about arabs in general. It seems you still haven’t realized this, though…

    Now, for your comment on the visa rules, etc. Tell me, are you REALLY surprised that there are different rules for visas depending on which way you travel? Let’s look at it shall we…

    Europe is a rich region, with abundant social wellfare for all living within it’s borders. Europe is therefore a prime target for immigrants, legal and illegal, from poorer countries, including most of those in the ME. In addition, we’re obviously looked upon as “the enemy” by many of the people in the ME, and our towns and cities are prime targets for islamist terrorism, most of which has it’s roots in the ME. Is it any wonder therefore, that we try to restrict the comings and goings of ME citizens to those with a legitimate purpose? Hardly…!

    Well, couldn’t the ME countries adopt the same stance? Sure they could, and they’re free to do so. Look at Brazil – there is no need for a visa if you’re an EU citizen on holiday, but a US citizen needs one, because Brazil’s visa-rules are reciproque. Why don’t the ME adopt this policy? For one thing, many ME countries (Egypt certainly) rely on tourism for much of it’s income. Labourous visa-regulations would be a serious threat to the countries’ economies, and since common sense dictates that rich europeans are in no hurry to “escape” to the poor ME, and have no history of trying to carry out terrrorist attacks in ME countries, there is no reason to uphold a strict regulation on their entry and exit.

    As for the “I was told I seem to be a nice girl and not a terrorist and then I was wondering if I would get the same comment if I was wearing a hijab” comment, that looks suspiciously like a non-formal, personal observation rather than a question in a document. In any case, no interview will contain questions of the sort described in the topic, and they will certainly not happen impromptu at your private residence by a non-officia, half-foreign militia!

    I will, however, take your advice (when in Rome, do as the romans) into account and stay far away from Lebanon… and I’ll take my tourist-money elsewhere as well! ;)

    “Granted some countries do much needed development projects in MENA very few though do it w/o asking for something in return.”

    Outrageous! Are they actually wanting something in return for pouring billions of dollars into your region? Something like peacefull co-existance? Unheard of!!! ;P >sarcasm off<

    “Also, these countries that colonized us for years never paid compensations.”

    Heh! Yeah, arabs NEVER colonized anyone, did they? ;) Most countries colonized by europeans a few hundred years ago were much better off after the europeans left than before they came – lot’s of them succeeded in screwing it all up afterwards, but that’s a different story…

    “how do you expect ppl to feel when they have american army basis all around their countries?”

    The germans aren’t complaining much.

    “why arent you questioning how your governments are dealing with presidents and monarchy who have so little regard to human rights since you care so much about human rights?”

    We are. Simple answer is pragmatism, though… The lesser of two evils.

    “shipping suspected terrorists to countries known for their torture techniques is still pretty much a live”

    But VERY illegal, and under constant and thorough investigation.

  38. Sand Ape says:

    You have to acquire the taste to appreciate the irony of Rk comments. Admitting that harassment of indigenous palestinians of the west bank by not so indigenous intruding Jewish settlers does actually exists and is wrong, but says to bring this to the attention of even a fly is anti semitic demonzation. ERRR, WELL YA, I guess so because that is some foul messed up shit. You got to be pretty brainwashed into completely not seeing any other perspective in the world (to be that belligerent due to frantic Traumatized self delusional determination and righteous justification of “TALE, IT’S MINE ALL MINE!”) .

    I guess the Indians should take America and Canada back and the moroccans take back Spain because they took a piss there a few thousand years ago.

    You want respect, at least admit you guys are in the wrong and we might just help you guys if we can once we give up our lavish lifestyles and take our thumbs out of our asses!

    Long Live traumatized Israel and behold the great healing powers of the middle east!

  39. Craig: To be more accurate those who lived in the Islamic Empire (not all Muslims) built on what they got…

    In other words, the conquered. How does that differ from what I said? Or are you one of those who pretends all those lands accepted Islam (and Arab occupation) by choice? lol.

    …and did come up with new ideas and inventions and they didnt deny the original sources.

    Of course they (and you!) did deny it. Look at “arabic numerals” for instance. Are you going to pretend you don’t know those were stolen from India? How exactly can Arabs take credit for that? What do Arabs have to do with things that were invented by Persians, Indians, Egyptians, Greeks, etc? And how is it that Arabs become the “victims” if somebody else appropriates an innovation that they themselves appropriated in the first place?

  40. First of at least in my country details of all my travels are shared among the US and EU embassies w/o asking for permission.

    Nobody needs to ask your “permission” to share your international travel details. That isn’t confidential or even personal information, you know.

    Besides the silly list of questions we have to answer to in the embassies the guys are usually taken into interrogation upon arrival in any US port.

    Nonsense. I flew into Los Angeles on a plane full of Lebanese, Palestinians and Germans a while back. The foreigners got through customs faster than I did, even though I thought I was the only American on the plane. Turns out, most of those Lebanese and Palestinians were holding US passports. I was near the back of the line, and *nobody* got taken in for interrogation. It did take a goddamned HOUR to get through the fucking (American) line, though. The Germans breezed through in about 20 minutes. Not sure what that was all about. And then when I got up to the little booth the guy barely glanced at my passport, stamped it, and waved me through. The whole thing felt like a waste of time.

  41. Anon says:
    BTW Im loving Mubarak rejecting the modified aid and seriously I hope he takes the step a lot of ppl have been demanding to officially reject American aid.

    I’m with you brother! REJECT ALL AMERICAN AID!!!
    As a taxpayer in the United States of America I never wanted to give it to you in the first place!

  42. @Craig: keep on avoiding the real issue and focusing on irrelevant side topics thats just your style. Yes many of the conquered accepted Islam that is why there were still others who kept their religions till date. Also, some areas converted w/o getting conquered through trade.
    Sharing details of my passort info with another embassy should require my permission. Even sharing passangers data from the EU to the US brought a huge debate about data protection some years ago.
    Of course I was not referring to those carrying US or European passort even though they do get harrassed sometimes. I know several guys who were held for more than an hour for questioning. Others denied student visas with no explanation even though they have clean records and hole reputable positions in the government.
    I really wish one day you will have the guts and reply to any of the questions/arguments many comments direct to you. Once just once not deviate from the real topic. I also really wonder whether you have any other job than wirting on SM every other minute its amazing for realy the amount of time you spend here
    @babs: Im not a brother dude…America didnt give the aid because its a human loving country it sure made demands over the years in exchange so, you can have your sorry assed aid which btw was mainly spent on US experts coming over and using specific american companies to perform projects in Egypt but I hope you and your politicians realize that you can no longer make demands dont ask us to clear the mess your friends in Israel created, to stop reconciliation efforts with Iran, or to take a certain position in one of those major issues, etc

  43. “dont ask us to clear the mess your friends in Israel created, to stop reconciliation efforts with Iran, or to take a certain position in one of those major issues, etc”

    Many of these things will come all by themselves anyway… At least, they will if Egypt has any intention of peace in the region. ;)

  44. Anon,

    Yes many of the conquered accepted Islam that is why there were still others who kept their religions till date.

    Yes, many people in Spain converted (from Islam to Christianity) after the reconquista too!

    I’m sorry, but after you invade and occupy people and then set up a new society in which everyone who isn’t Muslim is treated like a dog, talking about voluntary conversions is ridiculous. Islam was spread by the sword.

    Also, some areas converted w/o getting conquered through trade.

    Which areas would that be? I think you are confusing Christianity, which was spread mostly non-violently through missionary work, and Islam which was spread by military invasion followed by very deliberate coercion.

    But you are free to believe what you want to believe. The myth about how Islam was spread peacefully in the 7th century is widely accepted by Muslims (I’ve never met one who doesn’t buy into it, even though they acknowledge so many countries were invaded) so… whatever. I won’t change your mind, I’m sure. You have the example of Medina, written about in the Quran, and yet you still accept that Islam was spread peacefully. Even though whole Jewish tribes were exterminated when they didn’t convert.

    Sharing details of my passort info with another embassy should require my permission. Even sharing passangers data from the EU to the US brought a huge debate about data protection some years ago.

    I don’t agree. I don’t think people have any right to travel secretly, or to hide their travel history. It just doesn’t make sense to me. Nor can I think of any reason why people would need to travel secretly. I can, however, think of a lot of reasons why governments may want to know, as a matter of national security, where potential guests have been traveling to and from.

    Of course I was not referring to those carrying US or European passort even though they do get harrassed sometimes. I know several guys who were held for more than an hour for questioning.

    Is there something wrong with that? Last time I traveled overseas, I spent so much time waiting in various lines and sitting on my ass in airports that another hour is like nothing.

    Others denied student visas with no explanation even though they have clean records and hole reputable positions in the government.

    And I know some people, like Raed Jarrar, who somehow managed to get visas despite the fact they should never be allowed to set foot in the US. *shrug*

    I really wish one day you will have the guts and reply to any of the questions/arguments many comments direct to you.

    I have no idea what this means! You think I dodge questions? Or is it that you want to admit I’m wrong about everything? Is that the only reply you would accept as valid? lol.

    Once just once not deviate from the real topic. I also really wonder whether you have any other job than wirting on SM every other minute its amazing for realy the amount of time you spend here

    What an odd thing to say. I’ve been spending maybe 15 minutes (per day) on this blog the last week or two. Again… *shrug*