On Fort Hood

I haven’t written ever since it happened. Don’t know what to write. Anything I think of will sound contrived anyway. I mean, the fucker was arab, muslim and palestinian to boot. What’s there to say? It’s an isolated incident? It might never happen again? This doesn’t mean that everybody in the military who is arab or muslim will act this way? For real? Do I need to say this? What is there to say?

I can only think of two things actually: 1) My deepest condolences to the families of the victims , and 2) in the name of every arab or muslim that will now get screwed over because of your actions: FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE! I hope you never enjoy a single day of peace in this life or any next one!

Comments

  1. WOW Sand monkey never seen you giving out your deepest condolences to anyone before.

    I guess you never read in the news about some people being killed somewhere in the world and you felt it was so unjust that you had to give them your deepest condolences.

    do you think if some crazy US solider put his spree of bullets in some innocent CIVILIAN Iraqis you would be write here about it ? I honestly think not.

  2. Wow, Ahmed. You’re really a despicable asshole you know that? Lets hope we never read a story about you going on a mass murder spree. You seem like just the kind of creep that shooter at Fort Hood is.

  3. I think he would Ahmed. And yes this was despicable. I am a proud Egyptian-American but its very obvious that the US military needs to take more precautions with the Muslims in the military. I’m sure most of them are fine, but if any are saying the kind of stuff this guy was supposed to have said they should be discharged immediately. Ditto for any prison graduates who cling to that Nation of Islam crap. I mean what was this guy doing in the army? seriously

  4. Has there actually been provided any evidence that his actions had anything to do with his religion, and not just his state of mind? I haven’t been reading up on this case, so it’s meant as a genuine question…

  5. Some goes nuts and shoots ppl at work in the US….
    whats new about that?

    Its been a known fact that the US army’s standards have dropped and now they are even looking to accept ppl who are openly gay.
    A few years ago a new report was talking about gangs in the US army, and how a bank was robbed by 2-3 gangsters who were/are in the army and managed to kill cops with their military training.

    The only big thing about this is the guy is an Arab Muslim American which only feeds the paranoia most Americans have.

    Besides that… nothing new.

  6. Tallal:

    “…and now they are even looking to accept ppl who are openly gay.”

    Get your head checked…

  7. ?

  8. wait a second he is AMERICAN not Palestinian

  9. I was born Muslim but came to hate everything about this religion after 9/11. I don’t understand how they didn’t see the danger this dress wearing guy represented to the security of the military.

  10. Some did see it but were afraid of doing anything because of the disease known as political correctness. In the city I am from in Canada, the police chief just apologized to Muslims. Why? Because a police officer patted down the Muslim wife of a man he just arrested. So now police need to worry about offending Muslims before making sure that they are safe when they go to arrest someone.

    As for Hasan, an American of Palestinian heritage, he felt more of a camaraderie or kinship with foreign terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq than his fellow American soldiers. And the fact that the army knew about this and didn’t do anything about it shows they are more afraid of offending Muslim sensibilities, just like that police chief I referred to earlier, than about the health and well being of everyone else.

    I think the future of the Western world is doomed.

  11. Had a lot of profound shit to say but realized most of it wasn’t worth the bandwidth it would’ve occupied. Boiled down to a few lines:

    Hasan was a deluded asshole, so was Timoth McVeigh. Same intent – different ideology – same result. Tim was the bigger asshole for involving children.

  12. Born in American and his family lives in Jordan and nobody digged the roots of the family of Timothy McVeigh. Nothing of what Hassan did have anything to do with Palestinian Heritage only people like Karen and the asshole Liberman wants to make this a Palestinian issue to serve their hate for Palestinians.

    And heck yeah Miss Karen I am Christian and I don’t want a police man or a waiter to touch me. No patting here my dear!

    Hypocrite as usual!

  13. People who aren’t suspected of doing anything illegal don’t have to worry about the police touching them. Waiters and police aren’t quite the same genius, maybe in Egypt, but not in North America.

    Are you a Christian? We always hear about your Christian mother, but never a peep about you dad. Did your mom spawn you by herself?

    Whether or not he is a Palestinian doesn’t matter. But his religion does matter. Thirteen people are dead because everyone was afraid of offending him and getting sued! G-d only knows all of the bigoted crap Muslims listen to on Arab news channels about Jews and Christians. They are raised on it. I have never been to a mosque, but I hear some of those Saudi funded imams are quite bigoted too against us kaffirs. I don’t think that is going to make for a happy multi/culti society for the rest of us.

    For the Canadians and Americans here I would recommend that you read the book “Shakedown” by Ezra Levant. It’s about Canadian extra judicial human rights councils and their huge power to fine people for saying and doing harmless, albeit possibly hurtful things. It’s political correctness at it’s worst.

  14. “Are you a Christian? We always hear about your Christian mother, but never a peep about you dad. Did your mom spawn you by herself?”

    WTF you low life woman, My mother and father are Christians but my father died when I was two this is why you don’t hear about him low life bitch.

    What a low life scum of the earth you are!

  15. Orthodox Jews you hypocrite doesn’t shake a hand of a woman for religious reasons so a muslim woman have every right to not be touched by a male police officer if it is not acceptable by her religion especially that she is not under arrest or have anything to do with the case.

  16. What about you Karen since you are getting so vile personally, where you conceived by a turkey baster? we never hear about your mother or your father on this blog!

  17. Born in American and his family lives in Jordan and nobody digged the roots of the family of Timothy McVeigh.

    Yes, they did.

    Nothing of what Hassan did have anything to do with Palestinian Heritage only people like Karen and the asshole Liberman wants to make this a Palestinian issue to serve their hate for Palestinians.

    As I recall, they made a very big deal of McVeigh’s affiliation with some right wing militias. They even found some video footage of him being interviewed during the Waco standoff and complaining about abuse of power by the Federal Government. You do know McVeigh was motivated by his hate for the Feds and for Janet Reno in particular for that attack, right? If you don’t, then you weren’t paying attention. So why is it that we should pay so much attention to what motivated McVeigh, but we should ignore what motivated Hasan? Just because it’s inconvenient for Twosret? McVeigh was inconvenient for me, since many of his political philosophies are similar to my own. But you won’t catch me defending McVeigh.

  18. Orthodox Jews you hypocrite doesn’t shake a hand of a woman for religious reasons so a muslim woman have every right to not be touched by a male police officer if it is not acceptable by her religion especially that she is not under arrest or have anything to do with the case.

    No, she has no such right merely by virtue of being Muslim. Freedom of Religion does not include exemptions from the law, Twosret. One law for everyone. That’s how it works.

  19. Craig @ 19:

    Precisely. No more, no less.

  20. “Wow, Ahmed. You’re really a despicable asshole you know that? Lets hope we never read a story about you going on a mass murder spree. You seem like just the kind of creep that shooter at Fort Hood is.”

    God DAMN that was a constructive comment.

  21. As far as the Canadian Police incident

    1- The RCMP had a warrant of arrest for a man and not for the woman
    2- If she is not a suspect she should never be touched and if they don’t have a warrant of arrest on her they should never touch her
    3- The Police chief apologized because he knew it is the wrong thing to do
    4- Every woman has the right to ask for a female police officer to strip search her or pat her if it the police have the legal right and have legal documents to support the strip search. In this case they simply DON’T

    So Mr. Craig which law are you talking about? the law that gives a police officer the right to strip search women when he has no reason or legal right to?

    Nobody claimed especially me to ignore what motivated Hasan in my opinion he should be hanged. Nobody also have the right to point at his Palestinian heritage because they are Canadian Israeli haters of Palestinians when they don’t have a proof that his heritage have anything to do with it.

    We are yet to find out if he was motivated by religion or he is mentally ill person until then stop pointing at Palestinians as he is not Palestinian he is born in America and an American.

    “Just because it’s inconvenient for Twosret? McVeigh was inconvenient for me, since many of his political philosophies are similar to my own. But you won’t catch me defending McVeigh.”

    First nothing in this story inconvenient me personally except for the fact of the loss of the innocent lives and the horrible act of this man so don’t try to make it personal here.

    Second, Show me one word I wrote where I defended Hasan in anyway.

  22. “I mean, the fucker was arab, muslim and palestinian to boot. What’s there to say?”

    My response to Sandmonkey’s statement was that he is not Palestinian he is American and I think it is fair to call people who were born in American as Americans not Palestinian arabs to the boot.

    VERY WRONG

  23. Twos:

    Not knowing any specifics about the Canadian incident, I’d like to point out that the police has the right to pat you down if they have reasonable cause to do so. Whether they had or hadn’t in this particular case is unclear – maybe she made a scene or tried to obstruct the arrest… Whether she did or not, her being a female and a muslim has no impact on her rights. If she gave the policemen cause to do what they did, case closed; if she didn’t, she has the same rights to complain as anyone else – no more, no less.

    “We are yet to find out if he was motivated by religion or he is mentally ill person”

    I was wondering about that – so, nothing concrete’s come out about his motivation?

    “he is not Palestinian he is American and I think it is fair to call people who were born in American as Americans not Palestinian”

    In all fairness, a passport does not make you a citizen by default; at least not in your heart. We have plenty of young immigrants, born in Denmark but with Turkish background, who cheer the Turkish team when they meet us on the pitch. We have plenty of youths, born in this land but from Palestinian parents, who make a habit out of yelling “Danish whore” at ethnic Danish girls every so often. Them having been born here and having a Danish passport doesn’t seem to make them feel any more Danish…

  24. “I was wondering about that – so, nothing concrete’s come out about his motivation?”

    So far the bastard woke up from the coma and they are hopefully beating the hell out of him to find out something. I will let you know once I hear something but it is unclear so far.

    The media said that some people suspected him and there was an internet connection to some islamic sites and a radical Sheikh. I only wish the people who suspected him said something to save the lives of the soldiers.

  25. 1- The RCMP had a warrant of arrest for a man and not for the woman
    2- If she is not a suspect she should never be touched and if they don’t have a warrant of arrest on her they should never touch her

    That isn’t how it works, Twosret. The police have the authority to do a pat-down search on anybody if they have probable cause to think that person may be a threat or may be concealing evidence on their person. That’s the law. You are arguing that an exception should be made for Muslim women. The US military has made such exceptions in Iraq to comply with Iraqi customs, but if Muslim women aren’t comfortable with complying with the customs and the laws in Western countries then they shouldn’t live in Western countries. Just as I’m not comfortable with complying with the laws in Muslim countries, and wouldn’t live in a Muslim country for that reason.

    3- The Police chief apologized because he knew it is the wrong thing to do

    I don’t know anything about this case, but there’s no basis from what I’ve seen for saying it was “the wrong thing to do”.

    4- Every woman has the right to ask for a female police officer to strip search her or pat her if it the police have the legal right and have legal documents to support the strip search. In this case they simply DON’T

    Twosret, they didn’t strip search her. The police never do strip searches until after they’ve arrested and booked people. Strip searches are part of the booking procedures. They don’t need “legal documents” to frisk somebody. Nor does a female have a right to demand that a female police officer be brought to the scene before she can be frisked. Police officers have a right to take whatever measures they need to, to ensure their own safety. That doesn’t include strip searches, but it does include pat-downs checking for weapons.

    So Mr. Craig which law are you talking about? the law that gives a police officer the right to strip search women when he has no reason or legal right to?

    We aren’t talking about strip searches. And you know that. You are attempting to be deceptive. It isn’t going to work.

    Nobody claimed especially me to ignore what motivated Hasan in my opinion he should be hanged. Nobody also have the right to point at his Palestinian heritage because they are Canadian Israeli haters of Palestinians when they don’t have a proof that his heritage have anything to do with it.

    So you are attempting to defend the reputation of Palestinians by denying Hasan has anything to do with the Palestinian and Muslim community in the US. Despite evidence to the contrary. Deceptive. Again.

    We are yet to find out if he was motivated by religion or he is mentally ill person until then stop pointing at Palestinians as he is not Palestinian he is born in America and an American.

    Deceptive. Yet again.

    First nothing in this story inconvenient me personally except for the fact of the loss of the innocent lives and the horrible act of this man so don’t try to make it personal here.

    The fact he’s Palestinian and seems to have been an advocate of Islamic “resistance” aka jihad seems to me like it might be inconvenient for you, considering things I’ve seen you say on this blog in the past. And actions I’ve seen you support.

    If you want to deny he is a member of your community and shares your ideology to a large extent, nobody can stop you. *shrug*

    Second, Show me one word I wrote where I defended Hasan in anyway.

    You’re right! You aren’t really defending Hasan! You are just denying that everything that seems to have motivated him has anything to do with you, or with causes you’ve supported. You’re not defending him, you are throwing him over the side… while conveniently not taking any ownership of his ideology. And lashing out at anyone who dares to try to time him with the causes he himself said that he supports.

  26. blah blah blah Craig

  27. Nice comeback :P

  28. blah

  29. brooklynjon says:

    In New York, the Police do not need probable cause to stop and frisk you. They only need to determine that you are acting “suspicious in light of your surroundings”. They have been faulted by civil liberties groups for discriminating on the basis of race and gender whom they frisk. If anything, a policy NOT to frisk a particular group, whether on a religious basis or on a gender basis, would certainly run afoul of the constitutional provision of equal protection under the law. And it stands to reason that being a close relative of a person being arrested for suspicion of a violent felony, physically present in the location of the arrest, would meet the standard of “suspicious in light of your surroundings”.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/latino/2009/01/15/2009-01-15_report_nypd_stopped_more_than_500000_las.html

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/11/02/2009-11-02_mayoral_wannabe_william_thompsons_stopandfrisk_argument_undercuts_the_nypds_legi.html

  30. “The actions taken did cause embarrassment and did offend their religious beliefs. I sincerely apologize to the families and the Islamic community.”

    A review of the incident highlighted the need for additional “cultural sensitivity training,” a news release said.

    They are admitting to a double standard there. The Canadian Government should be ashamed of itself. Why don’t they just institute sharia law along with a special Muslim-only police department for Muslims and get it over with?

  31. Melissa in NorCal says:

    I think he was a miserable, lonely man. He reminds me of that guy who went to the gym and gunned down a bunch of women before killing himself. His iman said he was always trying to procure a wife and couldn’t get one. He was horny, angry, and decided he was going to make a statement and using his backwards ass faith was as good an excuse as any.

  32. Melissa,

    If every lonely, horny, angry man kills 13 people there will be nobody left in this world lol

  33. brooklynjon says:

    Two,

    Yes, that is the Canadian case people were talking about. My point is that in New York (as in the rest of the USA), we have a constitutional provision providing equal protection under the law. Any policy of giving a particular group different treatment would run afoul of it, and would therefore be unconstitutional. We also have a supreme court that has ruled that a stop-and-frisk is not an unreasonable search and seizure. So, therefore, in New York, the police have a right to stop you and search you for weapons and contraband. The standard to permit such a search is not probable cause, as someone suggested above (was that Craig maybe? I don’t remember) but rather someone who is behaving suspiciously in light of their surroundings. And standing in the same room as someone being arrested for a violent felony, by virtue of their physical location, would meet that standard.

    Melissa, I think you’re onto something. Excessive, unrelieved horniness can lead a man to bad behavior. I know it’s true because of this Seinfeld episode… :-)

    um, bj

  34. bj,

    I am afraid Canada is more civilized to respect people’s rights and beliefs.

  35. Are you saying double standards in a system of justice are a GOOD thing, Twosret? You consider that “civilized”? lol.

    Justice

    1. the quality or fact of being just

    2. (Philosophy) Ethics

    a. the principle of fairness that like cases should be treated alike

    b. a particular distribution of benefits and burdens fairly in accordance
    with a particular conception of what are to count as like cases

    c. the principle that punishment should be proportionate to the offence

    Sorry you feel that like cases should be treated differently rather than being treated equally, Twosret. But that isn’t my problem. It’s Canada’s problem, and yours.

  36. Duuuuude. I agree with you completely.

    But, as a red-blooded Conservative American Christian, I am almost entirely obliged to agree with you (on this point, anyway).

    Bottom line- there are crazies of every religion, and it’s always sad when an entire race of people are looked down upon for the actions of one.

  37. “I am afraid Canada is more civilized to respect people’s rights and beliefs.”

    Turette once again get your head out of your ass! The bitch was in the same household as a fucking suspected terrorist. If she has a problem with getting patted down by a man to secure the scene the she should go back to the hell hole she came from where women probably get raped in police stations. The first people to enter a high risk situation like that are typically elite tactical units (SWAT). They are almost always a 100% men. Once the scene has been secured the rest of the uniforms and forensics people come in. Thats just how it works and if you ask me it works well. If the bitch wants to walk around in a black garbage bag then she should get back to the fucking cave she came from! For the record the chief of police is a spineless douche bag to even have entertained the though of an apology.

    To the main topics he was Palestinian (they like to call themselves Jordanian, sounds a little less terrorist like;) )and he was Muslim. There’s no disputing the two facts. Here we have a US Army major who is also a physician that has been educated for free, turning on men he’s supposed to lead. Hell noone even paid any attention to his running around in Osama Bin Laden outfits when out of uniform. Playing dress up as a stripper or a terrorist is conduct unbecoming of an officer. The only difference is that one is enforced and the other isn’t because of the politically correct douche bags, CAIR and the ACLU.

    The problem is this. Muslims’ loyalty is strictly to their religion and nothing else. This man has no trouble taking advantage of the system and getting a free ride. When its time to pay back his debt to the society that turned him into what he is (as opposed to a refugee camp dweller) he turns on them. What a fucking piece of shit. This makes it difficult for the rest of us arabic speakers (not to be confused with being arab) to be viewed any different than him.

    Lieberman is right. This does need to be investigated and the status of Muslims in the army needs to be researched and put under a microscope.

  38. brooklynjon says:

    Carpet Captain,

    I must disagree with you respectfully, yet vehemently.

    “Douchebag” is properly written as one word, and not as a two-word phrase “douche bag”. Other than that, your post is pretty much on the mark. :-)

    bj

  39. CC,

    Again tell me how can a An American born in America be called Palestinian?

    I think you are the one who need to take your head out of your ass a little lol

  40. “Other than that, your post is pretty much on the mark. ”

    So you agree that the Fort Hood Shooter is Palestinian not American bj?

  41. CC,

    If you want to be objective just discuss how to control the American muslim extremism situation rather than make it a Palestinian issue. This is the problem. The mosques that are allowed to hate America under the nose of the administration and nobody is doing anything about it.

    This is THE PROBLEM. Stop twisting everything you and the assshole Liberman to be Palestinian to server the best interest of the Israelis

  42. THE GUY IS AN AMERICAN TERRORIST live with it people.

  43. The American media called him Jordanian because some of his family members live in Jordan and WTF do you mean that he will be less terrorist to be called Jordanian. You mean that Palestinians are terrorists? what an ignorant full of shit statement that you make and bj agrees with.

    The shooter family had nothing to do with the shooting and they all denounced his act and was in a state of shock and his grandfather said that he is glad that the shooter mom died so she won’t witness his actions.

    The shooter wasn’t even close to his family and rarely visited and his family has nothing to do with his actions.

    It is really disgusting to see that a Canadian and American are so keen to distance themselves from an AMERICAN citizen born and raised in America and call him Palestinian just to serve your agenda instead of realizing both of you that Americans muslims have the same problem the Arab muslims have extreme behavior that needs to be taken care of.

    Instead you cowardly put it on the Palestinian people.

  44. And if you are so upset with the terrorist outfits tell the cowards in DC to stop bowing and kissing the Saudi king for their best interest and be honorable and denounce the Saudis.

  45. You see this CC, that is what I call encouraging terrorists

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/bowing%20to%20Saudi%20King.jpg

    http://images.chron.com/blogs/txpotomac/Bush%20kisses%20the%20King.jpg

    This is kissing the assholes who support terrorism all over the world and create the extremists who hate America

  46. Sand Nigger Pharaoh says:

    I dunno if sand monkey would feel the dead people in other parts of the world deserve his condolences(deepest no less) including those who suffered from Katrina. I suppose he could tell us about that if he is so inclined.

    Why was the guy in the military?to get his education paid for. I condemn his act in every way and I think he should have his head examined and if fit stands military trial.

    As for Karen and all the others who are hell bent on the fear of islam: I am a muslim, american and damn proud of both and I don’t feel like I should enforce anything I believe on anyone other than myself. I dunno what to tell you, but maybe if you make some friends or go to the mosque you ll learn something. Just keep an open mind and an open heart.

  47. brooklynjon says:

    CC,

    You know your getting near the target when you start receiving flak.

    bj

  48. bj,

    You receive a flak when you live in denial that the guy is American and accuse him to be Palestinian Arab to the boot to feed the hate for Palestinians and accuse them of being terrorist to create more hate for Palestinian and legitimize the killings of the innocent Palestinians in the West Bank.

  49. brooklynjon says:

    Well, let’s review CC’s actual comment to see what CC actually said (or wrote).

    CC said the shooter was Palestinian and Muslim. It is true that he was born in America, and held American citizenship. No one disputes this. As to his ethnic heritage, it appears to be Jordanian or Palestinian (I haven’t researched this, but I’m going by what others have said). Technically, should he be called “Jordanian-American”? Sure. For short hand, many people just say “Jordanian”. Is John Gotti, jr. “Italian-American”? Sure. But many people would simply refer to him as Italian, despite the fact that he was born in New York. Is his ethnic heritage a likely factor in his rampage? CC says, and I agree, that this is unlikely. Is it off-limits to mention? We both obviously think it is not. Similarly, it is worth mentioning that Gotti is Italian.

    Did CC say “all Palestinians are terrorists”? No, he did not. Did he say “Palestinians are terrorists”? No, he did not. Did he say that “Jordanian” sounds less terrorist than “Palestinian”? Yes he did. But sounds that way to whom? He left that out, but since he is talking about American media, he is presumably talking about how it sounds to American ears. And this is actually an important point. The Palestinian people may very well have a sympathetic story, and they may not have gotten a fair shake. However, the decades worth of violence committed in their name, and directed at targets that westerners consider illegitimate, have given them a reputation. This reputation may be deserved, or it may be not deserved. But from a public relations/marketing perspective, it doesn’t really matter much whether that reputation is deserved or not. Just as there is a perception among certain individuals that Algerians – as a corporate entity – are violent, there is a perception among many westerners (bourne out by polling) that Palestinians disproportionately believe that politically motivated violence against illegitimate targets is appropriate.

    Is that perception accurate? Well, the results of polls posted elsewhere on this website would seem to indicate that it is. This is not to say that all Palestinians are terrorists, or that this particular Palestinian-American individual is either. But it is to suggest that if you want to change the perception people have of Palestinians, you may want to start by changing the reality. That is, cause an overwhelming majority of Palestinians to reject violence against civilians and off-duty military personnel, and cause them to reject those who commit these acts. Censorship and denial will be ineffective to change perceptions. Rather, it convinces people that there is truth to the perception.

    Anyway, it seems that CC and I both think the man’s ethnic heritage is likely incidental to the story. The bigger questions in my mind, in CC’s I think, and in a lot of other people’s are 1) Was this guy mentally healthy or not, 2) did his religious beliefs contribute to his act, and 3) how do we prevent this sort of thing in the future. Censorship of discussion will have little impact on answering the first two questions, but will have a tremendous impact on the third. I think it’s out of place.

    bj

  50. Mood’s post said:-

    ” I mean, the fucker was arab, muslim and palestinian to boot.”

    CC said,

    “on the main topics he was Palestinian (they like to call themselves Jordanian, sounds a little less terrorist like;) )and he was Muslim.”

    The original post and the quote you are defending bj didn’t mention that he is American because God forbid CC and SM and you acknowledge that there are AMERICAN TERRORIST made in USA, attending extremists mosques in USA , you all have to make sure it is Palestinian muslim related and you agree to that to serve your Israeli agenda and CC Coptic agenda and SM hate for Palestinians.

    You are encouraging violence against Palestinians when you point at everything to be Palestinians terrorists just like the Germans justified killing the Jews, just like Hitler justified what he did to the Jews.

    That’s what you do when you promote hate and turn a LAND STRUGGLE into an Islamic struggle to justify the hate and violence against innocents.

    I am done with you!

    That is what is clear in the posts including yours.

  51. “Censorship of discussion will have little impact on answering the first two questions, but will have a tremendous impact on the third. I think it’s out of place.

    Look who is talking lol!

  52. So, Twosret, I take it you object when Palestinian-Americans call themselves “Palestinian” on blogs too? Isn’t your husband Palestinian-American? What does he call himself? He never calls himself Palestinian? I can name half a dozen people who call themselves Palestinian who were born someplace other than Palestine, off the top of my head. I don’t recall seeing you ever object to it before! It seems quite hypocritical to me that you’d feel very comfortable calling this man Palestinian if he hadn’t committed such a horrendous crime, but your first reaction now that he has is to revoke his ethnic heritage.

  53. Turette: I’m going to be brief because I have a launch deadline today so I’m fairly busy, but you know me I can’t leave without adding fuel to the fire :D

    BJ brings a valid point about Gotti, everyone considered him a WOP (without permit) yet he was born in the USA. Clearly this man’s heritage and religious beliefs are the main reasons behind the attack. Let me ask you this, we all know that Palestinian Christians (yes they exist) are subjected to the same conditions and treatment etc etc by the Israelis. Can we agree thus far? Now how many of those have you heard of commiting a terrorist act? Not a single one that I know. Yet they account for 10% of the Palestinian population and statistically should account for 10% of wedding, funerals and terrorist acts.

    Turette I know why this could be a sensitive topic to you and I know you must agonize over this but lets face it Palestinians just can’t be trusted ! lololololol ;) :D

    “You are encouraging violence against Palestinians when you point at everything to be Palestinians ”

    I never encouraged violence against anyone, all Im encouraging is a closer look at Muslims in general and Palestinians specifically in the US military.

    To the point of the Saudis and the US administration. I dont know of a single US president that has bowed down and kissed another head of state’s hand like Obama did. I’m guessing you voted for the fucking clown so take it up with him. As far as the mosques I’m for shutting 3/4 of them in the West since they’re Saudi financed and have seriously devastating agendas to our way of life. All one has to do is look at Londonistan and you’ll see where were headed if we dont do something fast IF its not already too late.

    BJ thanks for the correction, I will use the word more often now that I know how to spell it ;)

  54. brooklynjon says:

    “That’s what you do when you promote hate and turn a LAND STRUGGLE into an Islamic struggle to justify the hate and violence against innocents.”

    Whoa! I’M the one turning a land issue into a religious issue? Seriously? Have you considered that Hezbollah and Hamas may have beaten me to the punch?

    “You are encouraging violence against Palestinians when you point at everything to be Palestinians ”

    No one here is advocating violence or justifying violence. No one is denying that the bastard was born in the USA. The only thing that’s being denied is the guy’s heritage, which may – MAY – be relevant in this case.

    Craig, the question I have is, if a man loses his Palestinian-ness by virtue of being born abroad as regards possible criminal motives, does a man also lose his Palestinian-ness by virtue of being born abroad as regards possible repatriation? Just askin’.

    CC, my only regret about your next-to-last paragraph above is that I didn’t write it.

    bj

  55. brooklynjon says:
  56. I agree with Patrick on #3. What exactly is “security clearance” anyway. You wouldn’t believe how competitive it is for an avg. born and raised American (clean record, college degree ) to get an entry-level government job these days. The crap they put us through just to say they aren’t interested? Freaking waste of time. In this economy, there are some really pissed off people..why take chances with a ticking time bomb in Fort Hood. Whatever happened to common sense.

  57. # 57 CC – “I’m guessing you voted for the fucking clown so take it up with him.”

    ROTFL!

  58. Listen–I’m just as sympathetic to the victims. However, you forget one thing: the mo fo is CRAZY!!! As in mentally unstable, diseased, lacking, abnormal…and so on. Why are we putting his Muslim/Arab identity at the forefront? Why is his race/religion the ultimate reason he did what he did? No one has ever claimed that white assassins and criminals do what they do because of their race or judeochristian heritage. Why are we doing it for this guy? I don’t think I should be apologetic because I’m a Muslim Arab–this guys doesn’t represent me or my views. As a humanist, I’m sorry that this happened; these people didn’t deserve to suffer.

  59. Yasmin,

    Why is his race/religion the ultimate reason he did what he did? No one has ever claimed that white assassins and criminals do what they do because of their race or judeochristian heritage.

    Sometimes we do. When their crimes are motivated by ideology. There was a white-supremacist who went on a shooting spree at the Holocaust museum a year or so back, for instance. And Timothy McVeigh’s anti-Government activities and his involvement with right-wing militias was discussed at length. In the case of McVeigh, he was motivated by his hate for the Federal Government and the events at Ruby Ridge and Waco. What I don’t understand is why some people are saying we don’t need to look at Hasan’s motivations.

  60. I mean, really.
    Do you think an abortion clinic is going to hire a practicing Catholic anti-abortionist over someone else?? Good Lord, wake up people, what do you think the “war against terror” is about!!?