The Egyptian Algerian war

I don’t care about Football.

(Dear American reader: by football I mean the real football. The one you call soccer? The one you used to practice as a child but then outgrew the moment you heard about actual contact sports? Yeah, that one!)

I couldn’t care less, to tell you the truth. I have no favorite team. I can;t get myself to watch games, and I am only interested if the game is the finals or the finals qualifiers game. That’s it. Why bother watching the whole movie? Just wait for the climax, I always say. And then join in the celebrations if we (whomever we is) win. In reality, I am more interested in the mayhem then in the game, and that has always been my prerogative. So when I tell you that I am super interested in Saturday’s game between Egypt and Algeria, please know that there will be at least riots involved. Maybe a lynching. It’s too early to tell.

The situation is simple and complex: It’s the final game in the worldcup qualifiers, and Egypt needs to defeat Algeria by 3 goals to qualify, and the final game is getting played here in Cairo. Ironically enough, this same exact situation happened to the tee 20 years ago, the last time we qualified in the worldcup. Egypt vs. Algeria, final game to be played in Cairo, also in November. But unlike the one 20 years ago, this one is going a wee bit crazy.

You see, here is the thing about Algerians: They are fuckin nuts. For real. Violence is their thing. Something is not right with those people in general, but especially when it comes to football. Whenever we played a game there in the past year, the fans , at the very least, will throw rocks and rockets at our players. And as if that wasn’t enough, some algerians burned the egyptian flag in the streets and starting making songs about what a bunch of sissies Egyptians are. Given that we are a country that worships football, and not big on being called sissies, even by crazy algerians, the egyptian people decided that they will escalate, and declare war back on Algeria. How is this war taking shape, you might ask? Well, methodically, actually:

  • There is a football tradition of killing owls in order to jinx your opposing team. It has been relayed to me that an Owl holocaust was started last week and is continuing until this very moment.
  • Tamer from the popular TV show el beit beitak went on TV a couple of days ago and informed the egyptian audiences of the Hotel the algerian team will be staying in, and urging the egyptian people to “go there and hang out” until the day of the game.

And then the Algerians started to retaliate:

And then there is what happened today:

  • Egyptians dying for a ticket to the Game attacked all ticket selling centers in droves today. The Elite Heliopolis Sporting club managed to secure a couple of thosunad tickets to sell to its members, only to have word of this reaching the egyptian population and having hundreds of egyptians storm into the private club to get their hands on tickets. 40 police cars were called to secure the facility. And there there is this picture of another ticket box office:12931_197091926046_621091046_4475136_2131554_n
  • The Bus carrying the Algerian team got attacked today, with egyptian fans reportedly attacking it by throwing rocks at them. And then this is where the story gets hazy: The Algerians claim that the rock throwing reached such a degree, that the windows chatters and 4 of their players got injured. The egyptian officials deny that any algerian players got injured, and some are even claiming that the algerians are making the entire thing up, with them breaking the glass of the bus themselves to set the egyptians up. There are videos here and here. You make up your own mind.

The game is on Saturday, which means there are still 48 hours to go during which at least 3000 angry Algerians will be gracing the streets of Cairo, which are already filled with crazed Egyptian fans. Something tells me this won’t end well, which is awesome news for me. I am hoping someone burns the stadium down. It’s been a while since we had a pretty fire, and I think the Algerians might just be the kind of people who will oblige me. In other news, I am totally parking my car in a private garage that day. Who the fuck knows what kind of crazy fucked up shit will happen then?

Ohh boy, can’t wait! Saturday just can’t come soon enough.

Comments

  1. I hate Algerians. They treated our players like shit, gave them food poisoning, and then kept them up all night at the hotel. They are horrible people and they don’t deserve to represent Africa at the World Cup. We are the champions of Africa!! We outplayed Brazil and defeated Italy just a few months ago! We will destroy them. Utterly destroy and humiliate them. 80 million Egyptians around the world will be watching this game with our hearts beating at a million bpm and i’m sure most of the world will be with us contre l’Algerie

  2. Tut tut, all this hatred…

    It’s just football, after all – no reason to hate your opponents… Unless, they’re Swedish, of course! ;)

  3. what did you expect when ppl are given info about where to buy the tickets but go there and discover they can not get them? and when ppl outside the greater Cairo do not get the chance to buy tickets from their own mo7afazat for some strange reason as if they are not Egyptians? and when news reveals how the tickets for 3rd class seats with face value of EGP 15 are sold in the black market for 150 and rumors are abundant about how officials have been making money out of it? BTW just a thought did Jimmy go and stand to get a ticket like the rest of the population and did he pay for his ticket at least?!

    I am more inclined to believe this whole bus incident was staged, the vid shows a bus w/o one scratch to its body, just broken windows and we saw some Algerian players breaking some, the bus coming from the VIP area in the airport to the airport hotel doesnt use the main road so, the whole Egy fans behind trees is not a viable story the bus didnt use that road, the distance is less than 10 mints and they had heavy police escort so, unless they were chased by cars in that internal road how could that have happened?! the vid shows the bus at the hotel entrance and then hands throwing the rocks we later see paraded by the Algerian players!! voices around the bus sound Algerian mostly, they were at the same side were the hands are shown throwing the rocks, they didnt even stop them! then the scene moves inside the hotel and we hear an Egy voice saying 3aib ya seyadet el safeer/ el wazeer!
    Now, we all know Algerian football players and fans tend to be very violent (one of the players took the eyes of an Egyptian doctor, and somehow he’s been pardoned and allowed again into the country!) and cuss a lot not that ours are well-behaved but how would u react if u are walking in your own country and an Algerian fan cuss at you? and the real pathetic thing here is that they have a better chance to qualify which youd think would make them more confident and calm but nope they are scared.
    If its true this was staged we should report this to the FIFA along with an official police report from the bus driver who got beaten and the bus company against Algerian players destroying the bus windows. Also, you’d wonder why our football officials did not complain to FIFA about the Algerian hackers?!

  4. “Shocked_Algerian Says:
    November 12th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    Nothing surprising from the sons of Pharaon, they are dead scared from the Great Algerian Team..Inshallah we will gve them a lesson they will never forget on Saturday”

    Nice attitude…!

    “Allah willing”? I wonder whether he actually believes that Allah care about football?

  5. Poor dude
    you talking about Algerian people like a primitive.
    Algeria already beat egypt we came to play soccer and you wrote ” Algerian players destroying the bus windows”.
    Enormous Lie
    We are the Winner

    1..2…3…. Viva L’ALGERIE

  6. Egyptian fan who attacked the bus, and supporters of those are fucking retarded.

    I hope FIFA does something of this, because we all know that if a european fan even dared to throw a crumbled piece of paper at an opposing theme’s bus he’d get fucked and his team sanctioned, unfortunately this qualifier is in Africa, and egyptians know that.

    That’s also why they REFUSED that this match be refereed by a European ref, (although south african is probably the best you can get for this situation in africa).

    That’s also why they REFUSED the match take place in another country. Where no one’s bus would have been stoned, and we’d be talking about football rather than whose got more rocks in their desert.

    The algerians GREETED THE EGYPTIANS WITH FLOWERS in Algeria, last game. What the fuck is this rock throwing.

    I’m all about cynicism, but get your facts right retard. Especially if you care as little about football as i do.

  7. What’s soccer? Is it a sport?

    :)

  8. ARe you retarded Algerian? What do you mean we REFUSED to have the match in another country? Do you understand how football works?

    WE PLAY ONE AWAY GAME AND ONE HOME GAME WITH EVERY TEAM IN THE GROUP YOU FUCKING MORON

    We played in Algiers in June, so now it is your turn to play in Egypt in November. An you’re complaining? Like are you for real?

    And since when do CAF AFRICAN GAMES USE EUROPEAN REFS??!!!!! What an absurd request! Every confederation uses refs from within the confederation- that is how it works!

    And what is this bullshit about you greeting us with flowers? You gave the Egyptian players food poisoning and Algerian players stayed outside the hotel all night beating drums and honking horns so they couldnt go to sleep.

    What a nation of morons. Don’t even understand the sport. No wonder you “fought” the French for years to now beg at their feet to clean their streets and live off their welfare….pathetic people….

  9. Oh boy , he starts his post by taking of the “poor” americans who maybe could not make a difference between football and soccer … This is what we call a colonized mind ..he could not help but always check if his masters ( the americans ) are okay !!

  10. DomainDiva says:

    Damn I live in Texas and I can’t wait to hear what happens. Too bad we don’t have satellite TV…of course one of my Egyptian neighbors may be tuned in.

  11. The Algerians broke the glass from the inside… You can see the videos on Youtube then they went in the Hotel barking and gathering rocks from front of the hotel saying they were thrown at them.

    Algerians are cheaters they use food poisoning and throw rockets at Egyptian players.

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    http://hellenandchaos.blogspot.com/2009/11/ghrees-second-most-urgent-message-of.html

  13. Any person who says that the Algerians threw the rocks and broke the windows is insane.
    Lying through your teeth is not going to improve your credibility.
    It’s not going to impress the rest of the world either if everyone sees the Egyptian police did nothing to protect the Algerian team, and the Egyptian media lied to justify their own people.
    People who lie to defend criminal thugs from the stone age just look like stupid moron animals.
    Maybe some Algerians attacked Egyptians – then fine – admit it – and then admit the Egyptians were bastards back to the Algerians.
    It’s obvious that the rocks were thrown – you can’t break a window from inside without a lot of force.
    It is also obvious from other videos that the Algerians had blood all over their faces afterwards.
    All the crap about them having ‘rocks’ in their hands afterwards- well ‘yes’ it’s obvious that if some people threw rocks inside the bus – then the rocks were going to end up in the bus.
    If stupid moron features think that the Algerians threw the rocks to break the windows – then it’s obvious that they would have thrown the bricks out of the window – so therefore they would not have them in their possession any more.
    At least the police should act like decent respectful human beings and protect the human rights of ALL PEOPLE regardless of nationality on their territories.

    Justifying stone age barbarian thugs is not in the best interest of the Egyptian police and media = they just make the whole nation of Egypt look like barbarians and thugs who are still living in the stone age.

    Since Egypt considers tourism one of the most important form of income for their country – I would expect that they would learn to improve their hospitality for these world class athletes.

    The actions of criminal thugs in Algeria itself, are not the same as the Algerian football team themselves.

    The Egyptians should act like civilised people and do themselves a favour.
    The Algerian team are just doing their job.
    it’s a sport, it’s a game for fun.
    It’s not a war with the Algerian hooligans.

    Calm down boys.

  14. As long as they kill each others : fine with me.

  15. It’s a ‘game’ a ‘sport for fun’ – it’s not a war for chrissake..
    what’s with all the owl slaughter to jinx the algerian team?
    did anyone think about protecting native bird species rather than engaging in stupid pagan acts dating back to the age of when people would kill their own children in sacrifice to spirits??
    who are these people?
    I thought these were both Muslim countries? Shouldn’t they be courteous to each other, and practice good sportsmanship. That means being ‘civil’ to each other.

  16. And Egypt wins lol

  17. Lilia,

    Did you see the Algerian women in the Cairo Stadium giving the finger and terrible hand gestures to the Egyptian fans. Shame on them!

  18. egypt won!! mabrouk!!! so tell us how it went!! lol

  19. It was a great game Fadi, players from both team played very well and were very responsible and civilized. Fans were great on both sides except at the end some women Algerian fans were terrible.

    Great game for Egypt!

  20. @Fadi i was at the stadium and i must tell u that watching Algerian fans & players weep like bitches after the 2nd goal was just PRICELESS!!! :D

  21. The Algerians in France burned cars, businesses, and boats after their loss in Marseille.
    Most of the prisoners in France, are Algerians, they are violent primitive beasts.

  22. Slavin haram :-( They love their country too

  23. The French news reports today that the Algerians committed violent crimes also in Lyon and Grenoble, what is very bizarre that this also happened after their win against Rwanda on Oct 11.

    What the fuck French citizen and property has to do with their loss or win in football in some far away banana republics!

    They are just genetically psychotic criminals who invent reasons to riot and steal during the confusions.

  24. i luv egypt says:

    i think Algerian staged the whole bus attack controversy… the footage looks dodgy, the windows were broken from the inside, the player’s facial wounds and injury has shifted dramaticly in each different photo… the blood looks like a primary school fake syrup blood… i doubt the security forces in Egypt will allow hooligans in an airport especially were a lot of tourists (DONT FUCK WID EGYPT:S MONEY) are present..

    but again, soccer has its crazy hooligans seen all around the world especially in England.

  25. Lilia Says:
    November 14th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    Any person who says that the Algerians threw the rocks and broke the windows is insane.

    Well……. Leaving aside all the racist remarks(I think algerians are ok ive met toooo many sane, nice ones to say otherwise) id still say the egyptian argument has more logic.

    The glass would have to defy the laws of physics if it was broken by stones.

    If u bother look at the footage/pictures. Ull see a BIG BIG BIG BIG pile of glass infront of a PARKED bus!!!! ALL on the outside of the bus!!!! Im not a physicist but i do know if u throw stones on glas the glass would break inwards. and if the bus was moving and egyptians popped up behind trees it would be all over the highway!!!!!! BUT its not all over the highway and its not inside the buss. which would mean. That the glass broke OUTwards?!!! and then levitated and followed the bus to the hotel and fell in front of the bus in front of the hotel so the algerians can take a pic.

    Another point it doesnt take alot of force to break trhe glass using the emergency hammers inside the bus (specifically desined to BREAK THE GLASSSSS).

    ITS not a highway to the hotal its IN the airport and u cant hide behind trees coz there arent any. AND u cant wander around on foot it 10 mins from terminal one and its packed full of security shit. so ud be sodomised by everything from police to NSA if ud throw rocks. The bus parked in front of the hotel had its glas broken on the side facing the hotel which would mean the egyptian fans and their trees moved to the 5 metres in front of the hotel and the bus and threw rocks from there in front of the police!!! oh and the glass that levitated and followed the bus and fell outwards got in the pic.

    ps egyptian police are many things but dedicated to their orders they are. shoot here son they shoot. (look at the footage of the second goal. they dont even cheer, theres a beutiful series of pics on bbc with a woman dying with emotion and a policeman not even looking at the pitch during the second goal) so theyd fuck anyone throwing stones (in front of the hotel) DUHHHHHH!!!

    so unless the laws of physics have changed. and trees grow overnight. and pedestrians are somhow now allowed in the airport enclosure (p.s its MASSSSSSIVE cairo airport). the algerian fable seems well far fetched.

    Maybe a stone was thrown against the bus and then that crazy team went bananas over it. then bitched to fifa begging to have it elsewhere. seems plausable. ive met many africans and they agree cairo stadium is a nightmare for their teams. would seem to me more logical that algeria exaggerated a stone or two. broke the glass put kettchup on, or injured themselves in their stupidity just to escape our nice stadium. (im my theory the laws of physics would hold and theres no levitation and miraculous trees would emerge).!!!!

    Now were neutral. and judjing by the fact that ur team hasnt even qualified for any major tournament in the last 10 years and the fact weve toasted many major teams in the last 2 years. (ull say u beat us in algeria 3-1 yes u did but one fluke due to our stupidity is irrelevant compared to out histories in the last 10 years). now where was I. U are a good team but we are currently way better.

    SO in sudan hopefully based on logic alone. we will most probably utterly, totaly and completely, by taking out every bit of frustration we have towards life in egypt and the mideast and shoving it sooooooooooooooooo far up ur teams collective backsides, DESTROY every semblance of hope and the will to live ur nation has. It will feel like u fell of all three pyramids and then had them trown on u for good measure!!!!

    ps believe it or not i dont watch football except world cup. and now i am of the opinion that egypt can loose to anyone (except l’algerie, england and the USA).

  26. This is nothing says:

    You should see what England did before, From Stabbings to other things, or colombia, argentina,brazil…. These incidents are meerly scratches compared to other countries doings.

  27. FAKE bus incident says:

    I got a cousin who was near the whole drama, Its so obvious for many video evidence, fifa investigation, local police even a french reporter who was on the bus, all claim that ALgerian national side used the hammers and nuked the bus apart.

  28. French reporter who was on the bus, Fifa investigation team,video evidence, local police, LAWS OF simple physics are against the Algerian bus incident. Shame on them for trying to gain sympathy by lying and creating possible hatred between countries just for a sport. just like the algerian media even went far to claim 6 Algerian fans bodies were found in cairo, then saying they were mistaken after the newspapers were already launched. how far can you go ?? the real story is 32 injured after Egypt won 2- 0, the injuries are from both countries in cairo, and 1 team was celebrating when the other (you know who) had all the reason to start quarrels. just like what happened same day (14th november) in 3 french cities…with french police putting some ppl in prison after riots.. WHO IS THE ONE ACTING SAVAGE HERE ?? SHAME on you !!

  29. Lilia, please read on the history of attacks against Egyptian football teams in Algeria first and then come and tell us how we should be better hosts.
    There is a reason why Algeria did not follow on its complaint to FIFA and why FIFA decided the game will go on as planned the reason is that evidence show that the bus incident was staged. Now, we have Egyptians in Algeria surrounded by Algerian mobs and news speak of fires set in Orascom an Egyptian company and read on youtube along with most news websites how Algerian fans are threatening to kill Egyptians in Sudan and elsewhere. Also, explain to me how Algerian authority did not go on tv and explain that news of dead Algerian fans in Cairo is false before these incidents took place? and why wasnt Al Shorrok closed down or even banned until the match in Sudan is done? and where is the FIFA that only wakes up to threaten Egypt?

  30. Aymen Digitalis says:

    Well, as if to reward the players for their lackluster performance yesterday, it was reported in the Egyptian media that in addition to the cash prizes, each Egyptian player will get one of these:
    http://tiny.cc/AQJWQ

    Why didn’t I listen to my highschool coach and focus on soccer! Grrrr!

  31. nada from ny says:

    why not macbook pros jimmy and daddy too cheap to spring for those or what?

  32. The response to the son of pharoa will be in Khartoom. There, it is neutral. There are no egyptian security or police beating up supporters, there are no barbarian egyptian supporters throwing rocks at our players with an attempt to murder them. In Sudan, you will see what the Algerians are capable for. We will make you cry inside and outside the stadium, I swear to God.

  33. The footage from more than one video camera (nowadays people have mobile phones with cameras) show how the bus was attacked by the barbarian egyptian supporters. The idiot egyptians prefer to believe the version of their police that our professional players staged the whole thing! Yes of course, professional players hitting themselves to the point of bleeding and tken to hospital just before they were due to play!! Only idiotic people prefer to believe this. But then, in a country where ignorance is at its highest, it is normal. Whatever, this is not the last world cup qualifier. We Algerians we have a very good memory in case any eyptians think of coming to Algeria to support their team… we will wait for you with red roses!

  34. SoccerFan,

    Your statement goes to show your sportsmanship behavior. No Egyptian security were beating your supporters. Your female supporters after the second goal turned towards Egyptian fans and gave them the finger ON LIVE TV and made the most disgusting gestures by their hands which reflects their view of sports and the nasty youtube vidoes and constant cursing of Egyptians is totally crazy.

    We wish your team and your country well and if you win it is because your team is a good team, no team reaches this level and they are not good.

    It is very sad to see that this have turned into war. It is sports and it should be fun!

  35. And we played against Italy, Brazil, all african teams and non of this happened!

  36. To uzermaatka: Did you ever had the glass of your car smacked by thieves? or have ever passed by a car that was smashed by thieves? Outside the car there will be all the glass shattered and bits inside as well… it is the way the glass or cars and buses break for safety reasons! This does not defy the laws of physics…. your brain is the one defying the laws of logic because you don’t want to accept that a minority of supporters did what they did. For your information, Fifa has not said its word again. The Fifa observer will send his report to Fifa and it will be discussed in a meeting. The list of Algerian complaints is not just about the attack to the bus.
    As for possible deaths, I seriously hope there are not… for your own interest. Because one death only, and there will be no place where any egyptian could hide anymore.

  37. To Twosret: I am sporty and I used to love Egyptians to bits. But not anymore…. not after what we have seen. Go to http://www.elchoroukonline.com and see for yourself pictures taken by an Algerian supporter who just returned from Cairo. He described it as hell with scores of supporters beatten by mobs with the corrupt police watching! He said he was witness to an Algerian supporter who was pronounced dead. I is possible our government is hiding the deaths from us to preserve the relations… but they can’t do that for too long. The families of those who were murdered if there are any, will be asking hard questions, and then the whole episode will take a new twist.
    As I said, just hope like me that no one was killed!

  38. To Twosret: I am sporty and I used to love Egyptians to bits. But not anymore…. not after what we have seen. Go to http://www.elchoroukonline.com and see for yourself pictures taken by an Algerian supporter who just returned from Cairo. He described it as hell with scores of supporters beatten by mobs with the corrupt police watching! He said he was witness to an Algerian supporter who was pronounced dead. I is possible our government is hiding the deaths from us to preserve the relations… but they can’t do that for too long. The families of those who were murdered if there are any, will be asking hard questions, and then the whole episode will take a new twist.

  39. uzermaatka says:

    Now threats from u will not work. little man. I will not turn it to a war I like ur people too much to hate u because of a football match. (threats and abuse speak of an inner weakness which we dont have in egypt). Yes i have had my car glas broken and ive bin on trains with stones thrown at them and ive broked car glass (went riught throgh one) in all cases it broke opposite the direction of the force. the only safety feature is plastic between 2 layers of glass to keep it together. (this will help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminated_glass)

    Last time I checked they dont put ejector seats or phase sheilds in vehicle glass for it to break out wards!!! This will also show u how it will break in the opposite direction of the hammers ur team used . :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzRcX_VC3rs

    (please note how hard it is to break with a stone. Unless we egyptians are super men. I am deeply bemused were not that strong u know. dont be too scared well gently send u home with a wonderful loss.

    have a nice day.

  40. uzermaatka says:

    Now threats from u will not work. little man. I will not turn it to a war I like ur people too much to hate u because of a football match. (threats and abuse speak of an inner weakness which we dont have in egypt). Yes i have had my car glas broken and ive bin on trains with stones thrown at them and ive broked car glass (horrible accident in qatar had to pull a man out) in all cases it broke opposite the direction of the force. the only safety feature is plastic between 2 layers of glass to keep it together. (type laminated glass on wiki) oh and its very difficult to break glass with stones look at this vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzRcX_VC3rs

    Last time I checked they dont put ejector seats or phase sheilds in vehicle glass for it to break out wards!!! This will also show u how it will break in the opposite direction of the hammers ur team used . :D

    (please note how hard it is to break with a stone. Unless we egyptians are super men. I am deeply bemused were not that strong u know. dont be too scared well gently send u home with a wonderful loss.

    have a nice day.

  41. Marie Claude says:

    33 Syrianwolf, WTF are you talking about ?

    nuthin alike happened !

  42. uzermaatka says:

    PS look for police breaking glass with battons it takes tons (without safety film i know ull go bananas over that) of effort with a blunt object. diamond edged emergency hammer made in germany and all work wonder on glass. (tyoe night watch show in the UK they demonstrate how its done. and oh the glass breaks inwards) oppisite the direction of FORCE. (newtons third law: law of reciprocal action action has opposite and equal reaction bla bla)

    if my brain defies logic i wouldnt be a genetecist!!! c i make more sense being calm than u threatening ragnarok. :D

  43. Marie Claude says:

    c’est qui ce french reporter ? cuz I never heard of him until I came on SM’s site !

  44. Marie Claude says:

    the thing is, hooligans aren’t only of Brit origin ! now it’s bizarre how soccer generates such a passion !

    I still prefer Rugby games, where smartest people attend matches

  45. @Twosret
    I know they love their country but since u might’ve not noticed this by now.. they’re bananas!! lool
    fighting/arguing with them is like dealing with a 5th grader; emotional, kicking, biting, screaming at your opponent and blowing things out of proportion seems to be the sane thing to do…i mean, the president of the Algerian Football Association throws tantrums for god’s sake! lol; and as far as the 5th grader metaphor goes, they tend to forget their mistakes easily… the fact that they forgot the shitty treatment our team received like 5 months ago amazes me.

  46. The more youtube videos I watch it is scary SlaVin wow! didn’t know we are that hated my Goodness!

    The threats are ridiculous and so selfish of them to not accept our celebrations

    let’s enjoy our celebrations :-)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e2OoNxCOFk&feature=related

  47. Twosret,
    The look of confusion and disbelief on their faces after our second goal was beyond priceless.

  48. Mohamed,

    Were you there?

  49. This is what is driving the Algerians mad: the failure of the egyptians to accept responsibility for what their mobs did to our players and supporters… this is not going away I promise you and the response in Khartoom will be devastating. And it is not a threat, there will some strong reactions there that no one will be able to control, and the egyptian media and politicians will only habe themselves to blame. When Algerians and their national symbols are humiliated, then there is no place for brotherhood or any honey talk. You should have realized who you are dealing with. We are not the poor Sudanese whom you denigrate, humiliate and take their land (Halaeb) and they keep quiet. Had Egypt aplologised and taken action against the criminals, things would have been calmer. But I think it is far too late for any of this. Now we know who we are dealing with… it seems that too much shaking hands with zionists has contaminated your hearts and brains and you need someone to cure you! Enough said.

  50. Twosret said: “let’s enjoy our celebrations”

    Celebrations for what? You idiot… you think you have gone to the moon! You sink into ignorance, poverty and corruption at all levels of your society and you talk of celebrations! The zionists ride you like donkies and you talk of celebrations! The flag of the zionists is flying high in cairo, the cairo of Amr-Ibn-Al-Ass, and you talk of celebrations! Damn you and damn you little brains! You celebrate? You have lost the respect and love of 40 milliion Algerians and many more Arabs and you talk of clebrations! Damn you!

  51. To uzermaatka: tiny brain, I am not going to argue with you……There will be a Fifa report in due course. The bus was not hit by stones but by ROCKS , and we have all seen these on the TV screens. Go to google and put the words “bus smashed glass broken” and look under “images” and see for yourself smashed glass of busses… all you need is some rocks and repeated hits… and when you are a farter and eater of mefatta’a, it can be done!

  52. To uzermaatka: It is dead easy to smash the glass of a bus, all you need is two or three hits with some big rocks. I have seen one of the videos and the size of the rocks and the glass inside and outside the bus gives a lot of credibility to the Algerian story. Plus, you know it more than anyone else, in Egypt there is so much corruption that it is not possible to trust their police. And the poor driver of the bus will say anything he is told! There are serious concerns now about the reaction of the Algerians in Sudan before and after the match. Let us hope it will stay within the boundries of the sport.

  53. Krokodile,

    So your Algerian people burnt and stole 5 million dollars worth of cell phones from Orascom In Algeria that is owned by an Egyptian businessmen. Your Algerian people attacked the bus once arrived to Sudan. Your Algerian people gave us all the dirty gestures on public T.V. and cursed us on you tube non-stop.

    They went down in Paris and burnt french people business that have nothing to do with Egyptians.

    What the heck is wrong with you people!

  54. No Twosret, I watched the game on the computer :(

  55. Twosret,

    What is wrong WITH YOU. Like most Egyptians, you only prefer look at your own version of events. It is your mobs who started all this. They attacked our professional players and then your corrupt police tried to lie, and luckily Fifa rep was there and a report is being analysed by Fifa. Your mobs attacked scores of supporters who thought they were guests in their own country. Many such incidents have been filmed by mobile phones, check out what they did on youtube. The events have reached a point where control is difficult and I am really worried we are going to see some nasty pictures in Sudan. Your media (Amru Diab and others) have started all this and some in the Algerian media responded in kind.

  56. Read the following at: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/290159-egypt-algeria-a-rematch-made-in-hell

    Egyptian fans, keen to ensure their sides passage, attacked the Algerian team bus on Thursday, footage of which is easily found elsewhere on the Internet. Despite the evidence, the press in Egypt readily dismissed the attack as a hoax, staged by Algeria.

    The players arriving at their hotel in the city covered in blood and the coach missing windows seemed proof enough.

    Further evidence of the disgraceful attack was found on the mobile phones of players on the coach, clearly showing the lengths the attackers went to in order to cause maximum damage.

    By Friday, FIFA had stepped in and “asked the Egyptian Football Association and the highest national authorities through the relevant ministries to provide written guarantees” that security would be improved immediately.

  57. Read the following at: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/290159-egypt-algeria-a-rematch-made-in-hell

    Egyptian fans, keen to ensure their sides passage, attacked the Algerian team bus on Thursday, footage of which is easily found elsewhere on the Internet. Despite the evidence, the press in Egypt readily dismissed the attack as a hoax, staged by Algeria.

    The players arriving at their hotel in the city covered in blood and the coach missing windows seemed proof enough.

    Further evidence of the disgraceful attack was found on the mobile phones of players on the coach, clearly showing the lengths the attackers went to in order to cause maximum damage.

    By Friday, FIFA had stepped in and “asked the Egyptian Football Association and the highest national authorities through the relevant ministries to provide written guarantees” that security would be improved immediately.

  58. Read the following at: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/290159-egypt-algeria-a-rematch-made-in-hell

    Egyptian fans, keen to ensure their sides passage, attacked the Algerian team bus on Thursday, footage of which is easily found elsewhere on the Internet. Despite the evidence, the press in Egypt readily dismissed the attack as a hoax, staged by Algeria.
    The players arriving at their hotel in the city covered in blood and the coach missing windows seemed proof enough.
    Further evidence of the disgraceful attack was found on the mobile phones of players on the coach, clearly showing the lengths the attackers went to in order to cause maximum damage.
    By Friday, FIFA had stepped in and “asked the Egyptian Football Association and the highest national authorities through the relevant ministries to provide written guarantees” that security would be improved immediately.

  59. me too basra! lol I was bummed called TWC and they didn’t even have it on pay perview.

  60. So, I was looking on YouTube for a clip of these Algerian women making obscene gestures, and I saw a scene from the crowd at the game showing a banner that said “Egypt” in roman letters. Why not in Arabic?

  61. The video footage from French chanel Canal+ was the most conclusive. It very clearly shows the bus of the Algerian supporters being attacked with rocks. One could see the rocks flying on the bus and then all the glass of the windows shattered. Had Egypt accepted responsibility and apologised, things will have been much calmer. Now Fifa is revewing a complete dossier of evidence including different video footages taken on the scene. I predict Algeria will win this match.

  62. The Canal+ video footage is the most conclusive of all. It clearly shows the Algeran players bus being attacked. The Fifa has received a detailed dossier of excesses and is revewing it. I hope some punishment will follow.

  63. Hmmm….well anyways, back to Sarah Palin and her lies, and of course any of her indomitable supporters here, for the mere fact she is a Bible beating Northern Hick liar who hates anything different than herself.

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/11/the-odd-lies-of-sarah-palin-telling-the-children.html

    What a lying bitch. Now saying err, err, Obama lied more doesn’t make do much for your argumentation, for supporting a liar.

  64. (Mac ?) & DWDS:

    Hmm, rarely have I seen a more incoherent post than yours @ 55… Except of course for your other posts on this blog! :D

    Seriously, are you really this thick, or are you just trolling it? I mean, you can spell – to some degree – after all…

    “Watch what you say or do from now on”

    Yeah, ’cause fascist ass DWDS and his fascist friends are gonna take you to a necktie-party for not agreeing with them unconditionally! That is, they would, if only they could get that big mac out of their mouth, tear their pale gaze away from their pc and get their fat ass down on the street for the first time in a decade… Not likely! :D

  65. Hesham @ 56:

    “I have waited for some one to actually say and do something about his bad mouthing Egypt all the time.”

    Yup, he oughta be stoned, hanged and THEN tortured for his hideous crime of speaking his opinion!!!

    What a wonderful world order you nutjobs worship…

  66. Religious Asshole

    I know Allah’s will, every feature and nuance
    I alone, know his desire and feel his presence
    Now, do as I say, or he will burn your ass

    Straight to hell, petulant boy and defiant lass
    I am holy and pious, you are rude and crass
    God whispers in my ears, says I’ll be fine

    but you’re fucked, no matter how you pine,
    moan, cry, beat your chest and solemnly whine
    Allah wants you to do as I command, really

    The lord wants you to do it now and freely
    I know His truth, sole unity, utter finality
    cause I’ve a holy beard and pious short pants

  67. Oh yeah, fuckin’ A Egypt kickin’ Maghrebi ass,

    to the pussies who threaten this Sandmonkey fella, He is way, way braver than any of you twats, If there is to be any hope of avoiding the monumental bitchslap heading in the arab direction,….Remember Hugula, What’s coming
    is going to make his little trip to Baghdad, look like a sweet summer weekend
    holiday. Death and Destruction that will make arabs, nostalgic for the “good times” those now being these days and the shitty policestates you currently inhabit. A genocidal hatred is growing in the West for muzzies and arabs. Watch what happens to your muzzie brothers and sisters in Europe, then North America. Once It has stared it won’t stop till your filthy false religion is a memory. You want to avoid that at all costs, as I do,(well not end of mohammed’s death cult) You will need legions of Sandmonkeys, with the honesty and glacial integrity to tell you sorry motherfuckers the truth.

  68. Congratulations to Algeria, they played well and deserve to win. We will be behind you in world cup. For the Egyptians it is so sad to lose but keep your chin up and learn and move on.

  69. Mac, DWDS & Hesham,
    That was totally cruel and uncalled for, hilarious nonetheless. I’ve never heard about this magazine called Enigma before, I checked its site, and OH MY GOD, the definition of Shallowness, Pretentiousness, Ridiculous, Pathetic, Superficial, Obnoxious, Sad and Hilarious couldn’t even start to do it justice, seriously, are there enough brain dead people who read this thing, it’s really confusing who you’d feel more sorry for, the people running it who are in some ultra delusional way trying to justify the space they’re wasting, or the idiots who buy it, let alone read it.
    The icing on the cake was the biography of the editor (and no, sorry, she’s not hot at all, I bet she’s spent a gazillion hours and taken a million photos to come up with the one semi not ugly photo she has on the web site). Her description of herself in the biography was super cute, ” the daughter of one of Egypt’s most respected individuals, Dr. Ibrahim F.I. Shihata”, Who???????? Can anyone whose more familiar with the most respected individuals in Egypt help? Twosret, ever heard of this F.I. Shihata guy? Anyone who uses this kind of language in describing themselves (along with I come from an aristocratic family or I’ve got Turkish background etc.) are nothing but low self esteem and self respect nouveau riche sad souls, she was born in Kuwait for god’s sake.
    It gets better with the description of her retarded publication “Enigma was created as a magazine for sophisticated Arab men and women with an international outlook”, obviously, her understanding of sophisticated is limited to the obnoxious and confused, and what she really meant by “Arab men” if they read this thing is “totally gay Arab men”, and about the “international outlook”, yeah, any person who happens to be “international” wouldn’t feel anything but disgust and despise for having such a detached from reality publication in such a poor country.
    Guys, sometimes knowing that people like the Sandmonkey and the Shihata chick actually do exist in Egypt makes even a bigger Egypt hater than the Sandmonkey is.

  70. all i have to say is this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BKNixzvM1Y

    7ram ya wlaaad

  71. OMG!!!! The Algerians are savages killing and attacking innocent Egyptians

  72. Are you kidding Twosret. EGYPT WILL NOT BE BEHIND ALGERIA!!!

    They don’t deserve to win. They played the cheapest form of football. Fuck them and their stupid shit country. They all look gangsters and act like it too. wallahi i hate them so much.

  73. How interesting to see the love between muslim nations unfold – all over a game of football.

  74. What a bunch of low life good for nothing scumbags. Patrick you’re right they played a waste time, bore you to death cheap suckhole game.

    Turette again remove head from ass ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BKNixzvM1Y

  75. Mac (Your secret admirer) says:

    Sarah Palin and her following are the same scum-suckers who hate Egypt. Sandmonkey you are a low life with a huge superiority complex because of your magnificen Penis, which I adore, to make a website that welcomes the likes of these scum-suckers WHO REALLY HATE EGYPT.

    All things aside from terrorism, terrorists are nice people I am sure. Just like aside from you picking on nerdy kids like me in school, you are a nice person as well.

    I have a feeling Egypt might lose tonight, and no doubt then you will be happy and your Egypt haters can revel in Egypt's sadness. You are a real low life for being who you are.

    Dude for being such a prick, I am half obliged to expose your identity, no more hiding, insulting Egypt, thinking no one knows who you are.

    That will includes
    Full name,
    Address,
    Pictures of you,
    who your mom is
    Drop names of the staff at "Enigma" women's fashion magazine (how gay of me to read that..I mean..come on) who think you are an absolute idiot and an in the closet fag with severe emotional deficiencies, even though you know who they are already.

     (I will threathen you because I have such an unctrollable crush on you and your manly self. I mean, my egyptian wife even thinks I am a homo, and I know you know what I am up to, so I am trying to threathen you. it's very sexy and cutting edge. Please oblige me and give me attention..please?)

    Should I go on Mr. Mahmoud Salem?

    Watch what you say or do from now on, as well as your Zionist fuck followers who don't give a fuck about you and wouldn't mind you being exposed.

    You are traitor to Egypt son, and you have crossed the line, and you therefore must pay, unless you cease and desist that is.

    No more crap will be tolerated.

    Your Zamalek address and pictures of your Egypt hating fat ass will shortly follow.

  76. Mohamed,

    I am glad you got a kick out of it. But what are you talking about, it being uncalled for? You seem to hate him more than I do. He can hate on Muslims all he wants, although that would most probably be the thing would get him killed the quickest. But when he is so detached from reality with his severe superiority complex, he disgraces the entire nation in which his over exposure occurred, THEN THE WAR IS ON.

    THE WAR IS SO ON.

    Tiny URL with sandmonkey's Photo's, name, address's, affiliates & associates will be posted several times a day until he agrees to let me suck his dick.

    HE HAS 24 hrs to comply.

    If he does not, we will also continue to post this information all over the blogisphere. A google search of Sanmonkey will result in all of Mahmoud's information.

    No doubt, a lot of people he has insulted will be very much obliged to use this information accordingly in preventing him from furthering the character assassination of Arabs, Egyptians, Muslims and anyone who has a problem with Colonial Zionism and apartheid.

    The balls in his court and his balls belong in my mouth.

    24 HRS. SANDMONKEY  How I long for you!

  77. http://www.freesoccerhighlights.com/soccer/highlights/2009/11/18/denmark-3-united-states-1-international-friendly-wednesday-november-18-2009/

    Isn’t it a glorious sport…! :)

    3 goals in the first nine minutes of the 2 half – why can’t we do that, when the match actually mattters???

  78. Marianne @ 78:

    Spot on!

  79. Mac aka. DWDS aka. Sand Ape @ 82:

    http://faculty.unlv.edu/pwerth/Mussolini+hitler.jpg

    Two of your favorite hommies…

    Good day to you, oh brave internet warrior!

    http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e129/launchsuit/FatNerd.jpg

  80. Tworset,

    Thank you for your sport spirit. It was a great game and both teams played top football. Hard luck to Egypt but it seemed to me the Egyptian players were exhausted by the Saturday game, the Algerian players who much youger managed the recover more quickly. This was my impressiion.
    I am just sorry for the events that unfolded after the match, be it in Cairo or Khartoom. We must all unite and fight violence from either side. As long as we stop being one sided and look at the problem in the face and tackle it, we are not going to suceed. I have seen Nile News yesterday and they were blaming the Algerians only. Yes, there are Algerian mobs who attacked some Egyptian supporters in Khartoom, but there are also Egyptian mobs who attacked the bus, the players and supporters in Cairo. Both sides must be condemned to prevent this to ever re-occur again. Finally, it is only a game and what unites us is much bigger.

  81. I have a crush on Sandmonkey, but he won't respond to me. So I am trying to get his attention this way.

    This a sign of of my love for sandmonkey/mahmoud salem 's magnificent Penis!

  82. Patrick and CC,

    When I posted my first post after match it was the right thing to do, not knowing what is going on in Sudan. I thought what happened in Egypt and the crazy media was an isolated incident and People were heated over the game.

    Now that I see and hear what happened to the Egyptians after the game I think Egypt has to cut the diplomatic ties with both Algeria and Sudan immediately.

  83. Cut diplomatic ties? I’d send in people to Sudan, kidnap Bashir and turn him over to the ICC. Boutfleka will shit his pants for the next lifetime and come begging for forgiveness.

    This is what we get from the Arab unity bullshit that is continuously spewed on TV. Bashir attending the graduation ceremony at the Police Academy next to Mubarak while he’s a wanted mass murdering war criminal.

    Turette did you expect any better from them after what they did to the Egyptians in Algeria? They’re a country of douchebags (btw thx for the correction BJ) lol

  84. Mac aka DWDS aka Sand Ape @ 81:

    Way to go with constructive comments – it just so happens that those references were correct when I made them; either a few double posts or some offensive ditto have been deleted…

    By the way, nice gutter language – I’m impressed! Where did you learn that?

  85. I don’t understand arabic – so could someone please tell me what happened in connection with the game? Just the basics.

  86. uzermaatka says:

    @ marriane

    well we played better but we failed to score. so we felt ok ish and accepted defeat. (it wasnt humiliating coz we didnt play like idiots) after the match apparently they went bananas attacking us in several countries ive heard Uk, France, spain, algeria, qatar, kuwait so far. Plus of course sudan. several egyptians called live on air after match scattered all over lhartoum being apparently besieged by mobs of algerians. the sudanese people apparently sheltering some egyptians in their homes.

    + their media is on an all out feeding frenzy that has surpassed football. so any political mess we have with any other country their talking about plus the usual egyptian bashing. (what u have is an outpore significant resentment and hatred that many ‘arabs’ have towards egypt, though its usually latent) Its like the poland germany thing of france and germany but much more bitter.

    So now since were being attacked the lenght and bredth of several continents we want action. but our goverment as usual well reacts slow. and will try and calm down things and absorb the carnage and say that miserable phrase we egyptians always say “we are the older brother, so well forgive these wayward children”. But for the first time as far as i know u have a public outcry to go “arab” bashing.

    U see arabs are 1. those of ethnic arab descent. (gulfies some jordanians syrians).
    2. those who speak the language (arabised arabs eg like romanised gauls. basically the rest)
    3. those who consider themselves arab (somalia basically not arab ethnically and speak well somali)

    so we we have the sort of unity u see in the slavic peoples. (ukraine, russia mess etc) so now egyptians want to go and remind them if we wake (if we ever do) theyll well not survive long.

    BUT we wont wake. it what we do was stay put. and wait for the world to come to US (in an invasion usually) like libya attempted in the lat 70s i think. I think one armoured division or somthing sorted them out and accidently crashed into tripoli.

    In short the usual arab shit. egypt bad bla bla bla. egypt as usual will continue sleeping coz thyre well flies or were to damn lazy.

    well thats my cynical opinion.

  87. Twos @ 82:

    Care to elaborate? I can’t find any news regarding any incidences i Khartoum…

  88. Too slow… :D

  89. Uzermaatka – thank you for the info.

  90. AGAIN, the French news reports today that the Algerians committed violent crimes in Paris Champs-Elysees and across France after their win against Egypt, 79 cars were burned and stores were vandalized.

    What the fuck French citizen and property has to do with their loss or win in football in some far away banana republics!

    They are just genetically psychotic criminals who look for opportunities to riot and steal during the confusions.

  91. Masry – in France cars are burned every day. They don’t need a specific reason.

  92. Mac,
    Hate is a quiet a strong word to use, in the end it’s just a stupid blog, granted, a despicable and disgusting one written by a very sad and confused self hating individual (something anyone with some common sense would’ve guessed, you and Hesham have confirmed it by outing him yesterday) and frequented by a whole spectrum of equally sad, angry, frustrated, racist, and psychotic (yes, that’s you Craig) unicellular misanthropes, so the Sandmonkey isn’t contributing at all to stirring up hate against Egypt or Arabs or Moslems, those creatures come to this blog already loaded with an inexhaustible supply of hate and anger against their own mothers, so at best he’s just being redundant. Having said that, I think you’ve totally crossed a line there by threatening him and giving him ultimatums, you’re not supposed to like everything you read, and if you silence him, there’s a thousand worse willing to take his place, you have the right to be angry by what he says, but he also has the right to freely write whatever he wishes with no worry what so ever, and you don’t have the right to threaten or silence him, freedom of speech goes both ways, so please, just stop it right here and no more ultimatums or threats (believe me, you and Hesham have hurt him enough yesterday by poking fun at him, and it was funny, specially the Enigma part).
    So just don’t take him seriously, just read the comments and as Joe Pesci puts it “be amused”.

  93. Dear Mac,

    I am very flatterd that you have such a crush on me that you wnat to threathen me in order for me to allow you to fellate me. I mean, you are right, I do have a magnificent Penis, and Yes, I used to make fun of kids like you in school, and you are absolutely correct that I have a superiority complex about it. But man, I am not gay. And I don't work for Enigma either. But you sure do read Enigma, and know a lot about it, which is interesting. I wonder if You worked there as well, and gotten fired by one of those women you talk about. Hmm.. Gee I wonder.

    But sorry, I am not gonna let you suck my balls. I know you want to, but no. I also encourage you to do your worst. Please, make my day. I promise I won't retaliate, because really, one doesn't retaliate against his inferiors. Also, this is probably the only time I will ever respond to you. So , enjoy the attention while it lasts, babe!

    Your Lord, Your desire, The fire in your loins,

    Sandmonkey

    PS: Dude, if you think I am doing interviews with my full name, do you think my anonymity matters to me anymore? God, I hate stupid people!

  94. SM,

    He doesn’t know that 99.9 % of your readers are your friends lol

  95. Mac I can see why you got picked on at school. The nose picking attitude is still there! Make sure you protect it along with your virginity. It would appear that SM has turned you down for your bum sex request. Keep trying though I’m sure someone in some cave wil give you the man love you need :D

  96. brooklynjon says:

    Not me, but I’m sure I can fix Mac up with someone…

  97. brooklynjon says:

    CC,

    I will forever have a hard time not laughing whenever I see a comment of yours with the word “douchebag” in it. :)

  98. Wow Mac, it must suck to be a hater, marginalized, sanctimonious, impotent, inferior, exposed, stupid, a troll, a droll, hypocritical, benevolent, misguided and a virgin bereft of companionship and never being able to do anything about it. My heart cries for your station in life, bless you dear. Is there somewhere we can send donations to?

  99. *pointing at my head*

  100. and that was for the donations Teddy lol

  101. Mo @ 99:

    “and frequented by a whole spectrum of equally sad, angry, frustrated, racist, and psychotic (yes, that’s you Craig)”

    Gee, and here I thought it was you and your friend Mac aka DWDS aka Sand Ape who were the sad, angry, frustrated, racist fellows, what with your raging and incoherent posts spewing bile a the mere mention of the words “jew”, “democracy”, “freedom of speech”, and so forth… Here I thought it was you who were the psychotics in your threats of death and destruction for Sam, lest he shut up and close down his blog…

    Obviously I was mistaken… NOT! :D

  102. ted @ 105:

    Benevolent?

    I think not…! :D

  103. Mohamed,

    Because I absolutely loved your description of Mahmoud (125 kg) Salem’s psyche. As well as the brilliant description of his self loathing readers (who are not his local friends BTW Twosret, he really has none). I was half obliged to comply with your request and to let the whole thing go. Knowing full well that I made him think a thousand times before ever insulting the prophet of Islam so openly again. But in the end, as you can see. He — like Algeria — has called me out on it, and wants a fight. And if you ask around Zamalek, who the hell Mac is, you will know I never back down from a fight.

    Although you stated I already hurt him enough and the free speech spiel and all, well I choose to continue exercise to exercise that right accordingly.

    Thing is, I know Mahmoud but he doesn’t remember me. I met Mahmoud’s mother, aunty Hoda once in her clinic. It’s a long story but here it is.

    You see my dad (a womanizer) knows his dad (another womanizer) quite well, but they had a fall out.. So one day my good ol’ dad picks up a gold digging slut, who requests bigger and better fake tits, Botox, the works; which Mahmoud’s mom specializes in.

    So to make a long story short, my dad dropped the gold digger and got with Mahmoud’s mom somehow, who in turn gave my dad VD ( I shit you not). Turns out with Aunty Hoda — old habits die hard — has had flings with numerous figures in maglis is 7′ara. When my dad approached her about it, she tried sicking one of her ex’s on my poor old dad. Not knowing just how connected my dad really was, plus with all the dirt he had on her, o eventually Mahmoud’s mom, who still loathes my dad til now, a decade later, finally backed the fuck off.

    Mahmoud’s dad — disgraced by all this — tried to save face and distanced himself from all parties, while still dating one of the many women he met through communal gatherings with my dad. That didn’t work out to well.

    Mahmoud’s main problem was that he was severely and ruthlessly picked on as a kid because he was the perfect fat kid. With the added fact that he didn’t know how to dress, he also had the added burden of two parents who never had time for him because they liked getting their cocks wet too much.

    His granny was his only real hero (R.I.P.), who wanted him to turn to God, but instead, he is what you see now, defaming her Image and defaming Islam and God all together. I remember seeing Mahmoud at gatherings back in the day, there was no hope for him, he was too nerdy, hated life and himself. He had a huge inferiority complex that you could smell 100 ft away. Adding to the tragedy, he most probably looked for love in all the wrong places — like with Abdel Nabi Moza, the well known husky boy molester – fruit vendor in Zamalek — and engaged in some adolescent homosexuality. As anyone can see by his prose, the obsession with apologetic male homosexuality and refernces to male genitalia.

    Bottom line, pudgy Mahmoud was a mess and crying out for help. So finally after he graduated from high school, being a teen who got in the way of his promiscuous parents, was finally shipped off to the States, which I think saved him.

    However, he returned with a grieving vengeance for the land which he suffered in so badly, due to over-exposure to the elements. And ever since, has been bad mouthing Egypt, Muslim’s, Arabs, anything beautiful or different that makes him apprehensive, that he doesn’t snugly fit into.

    But the line has been drawn, (over soccer of all things). Even the carpet captain who loathes Arabs and Muslims alike, has found unity in the whole Algeria- Egypt thing. But Mahmoud, nooooooooooo!

    So, um, ya.., its on baby. You can take Algeria’s side, if your Zionist master’s let you. What kind of an Egyptian speaks badly of Egypt and befriends all pro-Zionist blogger’s. What a repulsive aberration, traitor, scum suck, douche bag, leach. Egypt might be getting the short end of the stick now, but the homeland of the entire world — ever heard of moses — she is family and her blood is my blood, it runs deep and her blood is not cheap, don’t ever forget that!!

    He done fucked with family, and nobody fucks with family and gets away with it.

    I’m going downtown tonight to grab the photo albums to scan and post just how gay and repulsively fat Mahmoud Salem really was and still is, and why the inferiority complex, I mean FREE SPEECH AND ALL, RIGHT.

    So he had better be a good little boy from now on and watch what he says and who he offends.

    Because Mac & co. have all the keys.

    For the time being, you can Google “Egypt blogs America.” Which Mahmoud Salem-the Sandmonkey participated in. You can’t miss him. Just look for the cellulite :) Although most threads have been taken down already, due to a PR incident at the American border, they got arrested, what a scandal. After all, being funded by USAID, then getting arrested by a sister governmental agency, defeats the whole purpose. But I have those pictures too. Soon at a blog near you :)

    My work here is done :D

  104. Dear Mahmoud Salem, aka Mood, Sandmonkey.

    So you say don’t care about concealing your identity anymore, eh? So why not
    prove it in the name of free speech, and not delete my comments. Stand your ground mr. Cocky, you owe it to your readers for all the praise they give you, which you don’t find elsewhere. If you are so cocky and feel you haven’t done anything, remotely wrong, and have nothing to hide, then why not?

  105. Mac,

    I love the “Adding to the tragedy, he most probably looked for love in all the wrong places — like with Abdel Nabi Moza, the well known husky boy molester – fruit vendor in Zamalek — and engaged in some adolescent homosexuality. ”

    ha hah ha ha Abdel nabi came on to everyobe back in the day, he probably got to Mahmoud big time, lol.

  106. Mahmoud,

    He has got you and am glad for it. But why do you have to lie and say that you are not affiliated with enigma magazine. wasn’t it you who wrote the peace about Obama’s visit to cairo? It said by: Mahmoud Salem.

    Why do you have to lie about it?

    Just because it is a gay magazine, that you yourself even tried to make fun off, lol. We understand it was just business, but don’t lie about it ya Mood, come on.

    How lame and ridiculous of you?

  107. OMG! This is so childish really!

  108. Tell me about it Two, but you forget what it is really about in the first place. Why does he have to lie, what kind of non existent integrety is that?

  109. Mac aka DWDS aka Sand Ape @ 110:

    “And if you ask around Zamalek, who the hell Mac is, you will know I never back down from a fight.”

    So speaketh the mighty internet warrior!

    http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e129/launchsuit/FatNerd.jpg

    “Although you stated I already hurt him enough and the free speech spiel and all, well I choose to continue exercise to exercise that right accordingly.”

    You don’t seem to understand what free speech is, huh? Free speech is NOT threatening others with physical violence or even death. That kinda stuff is actually illegal, you know…

    “two parents who … liked getting their cocks wet”

    I don’t think you’ve quite understood how this thing with the different sexes work… :D

    “like with Abdel Nabi Moza, the well known husky boy molester ”

    You know this dude… how?!? :D

    “and engaged in some adolescent homosexuality”

    Again, you know this… how?!?!?!

    ” What kind of an Egyptian speaks badly of Egypt and befriends all pro-Zionist blogger’s”

    The Algerians? Seriously, you’re all over the place; time for some focus – you’ve completely lost the thread… :D

    “but the homeland of the entire world — ever heard of moses”

    Moses…? Is he really the “father” of all the Chinese, the Indians, the Eskimos and the Aztec? :P

    “and her blood is not cheap, don’t ever forget that”

    No? It’s getting spilled over football… FOOTBALL!

    “So he had better be a good little boy from now on and watch what he says and who he offends.”

    This sentence right after you’ve just yelled FREE SPEECH! Hilarious… :D

  110. Mac Daddy aka Mac aka DWDS aka Sand Ape @ 111:

    “you owe it to your readers”

    I don’t really think we care too much, actually…

    “then why not?”

    Perhaps because of psychotic, fascist, would-be murderers like yourself…

  111. Algerian Fan says:

    Well we qualified to South Africa 2010. I bet you wish you were Algerian right now LOL………………………….

  112. “Well we qualified to South Africa 2010. I bet you wish you were Algerian right now LOL………………………….”

    I’d sooner wish I was a dead than be Algerian. You qualified for the world cup but youre still a bunch of inbred terrorist lowlife douchebags!

  113. slappymcgroundout says:

    “there was no hope for him, he was too nerdy, hated life and himself. He had a huge inferiority complex that you could smell 100 ft away.”

    And you helped him how? So on the a priori assumption that the above is true, doesn’t reflect so well on you either does it? One might ask whether you were one of bandits or one of the passersby, but that’s more or less an exercise in mental masturbation as one’s sin can be by way of commission or omission (or both), so why bother.

    By the way, re the rejection of Islam, Ali Sina puts it best, and so first recalling Lincoln’s, as I would not be slave so I would not be slave master, so too, as I would not be dhimmi so I would not be Muslim. It really is that simple. And, please, don’t go burning things down or beating on other humans, as more than a few of your faith are wont to do when certain matters are discussed, but if the reports are true, and I suspect they are, the one you hold dear was hostis humani generis (no difference that I can see between those caravan raids and the acts of piracy that gave rise to that part of the US Marine Corp anthem that references the shores of Tripoli).

    Lastly, you would do well to think of “sin” as “spiritual entropy”. As any student of entropy knows, in a closed system we should expect an ever increasing entropy if the system is left to itself. To reverse the entropy, we would need an ordering energy from outside the system. With that in mind, the other notion is Christ as vicarious atonement, and as we know, even at the quantum level, the outside agent doing the ordering must necessarily bear the consequence of the entropy in the system being ordered (in Pauline terms, he who had no sin was made sin for us). So, not only do I not wish to be either dhimmi or Muslim, or follow a pirate, I’ll stick with the faith that actually mirrors the physical reality.

    Almost forgot, but a certain work speaks to the ever increasing spiritual entropy, something about how some were in that garden with God, and all was apparently well, but then entropy, and so later report that all flesh had corrupted its way. Above I spoke to the reversal of entropy, via our outside ordering energy entering the system and bearing the consequence of the entropy in the system. The other solution is to simply halt the entropy. That will happen with death. And so the report of a flood, historical event or not, represents the death solution to the problem of spiritual entropy.

  114. Soooo lame Mac!! How old are you? You’re hoisting yourself by your own petard!!

  115. Marie Claude says:

    uh, I don’t know who spreads news in ME et everywhere, cuz I didn’t read about the cars burning in france for an Egyptian-Algerian soccer match !, got the satellit TV where I am at the moment, n south Portugal, so ! what I can hear, read or watch, is Sarkozy’s adventures with our taxes and EU members, I’m sure if these catastrophes events had occured, I would be aware of them !

    Besides, I can read the net too, just for a few hours when I park near the capitanery of the harbour !

    But all that mess participates of the blurring effect of rumors, that some “conspirationnists like to spread

  116. Marie Claude says:

    Par contre, in the contrary, I am well aware of the effects of the last soccer match between Ireland and France, that Thierry Henry is seen as the black french devil by the Celts !

    So, to clarify my position about the latter, the Celts should more focus on the soccer rules, it’s not Thierry Henry’s fault if the arbiter didn’t see his hand !

    But if the Irish want that the match should be re-played, then, let it be !

    Now, me think, that the FIFA, and South Africa don’t want it, cuz, what would be the TV revenues if a tiny country like Ireland would play for the mondial instead of France, ? there are too many money connections with the french players, who already play in big foregners clubs, also, because lot of them are originated from our former colonies too !

  117. uzermaatka says:

    @ Marie claude

    heres a nice link in french for u
    http://www.leparisien.fr/coupe-du-monde-2010-football/au-moins-200-voitures-brulees-apres-la-qualification-de-l-algerie-18-11-2009-716103.php

    specifically says alot about after the match. oh and its dated 18/11/2009

    enjoy the english stuff is slow to catch on they report stuff later when it really gets big.

    So anyways: when do we invade algeria? we need to be gentle we might accidenly overshoot and end up in the atlantic. i dont think we need to send our aircraft carriers or deploy the death star. just 10 crazy highlanders (saidis) will be enough i think?

    ps. focus on algeria bashing right now its more constructive:P

  118. You are all primitive as fuck, including OP. Besides, none of the teams mentioned ever achieved anything valuable on world championships.
    The problem seems to be broader than just mere football. If the countries of Northern Africa cannot cooperate they are destined to being ripped of and extortioned in many ways. You have the power but you are too reluctant to use it. Poverty and underdevelopment is just a logical consequence.

  119. …and a congratulations to Algerian Fan @ 118!

  120. uzermaatka says:

    any one has darths phone number? id like to borrow his death star for a while.

  121. Marie Claude @ 123:

    I see some dangerous/nasty tendencies here…

    First off, let me point out that I find the French national team to be a lot more entertaining than the Irish. However, there is such a thing as being guilty without being condemned.

    “it’s not Thierry Henry’s fault if the arbiter didn’t see his hand”

    No, but it’s certainly his fault that he used said hand. Just because he didn’t get caught doesn’t make it alright! I’ve had a dislike of Maradona ever since he bragged about his “hand of god”. No matter how talented he was, he was still just an amoral cheat – who could cheer for that. I’m not saying that Thierry Henry showed the same attitude, but that goal was nothing to be proud of, and will leave a bitter taste no matter how far France takes it in SA…

    Be that as it may, your next comment is what really sends chills down my neck! So, large nations should be given special privileges and exemptions due to the economic advantage of having a proportionally large fanbase? The next step would be guaranteeing select nations a place in all tournaments, regardless of the quality of their teams…? You’re on this ice here, my lass! I fear for the day when ideas like these will actually carry any weight in the world of football!

  122. Wow, what an ignorant post…..”algerian are violent…it is there thing”.

    I believe we greeted the Egyptian team with flowers. When you came to Algiers, there were no riots, no injuries, no violence…we showed the basic level of class that 99% of hosting countries show.

    Your fans threw bricks and then decided to beat up out-numbered Algerians….after you already won…just to show how little class you have.

    I am thoroughly enjoying hearing all of you make up complaints and act indignant because fans got into fights. By the way, where are those injuries..fascinating that there are no photos of them.

    Classless losers who take photos of teams celebrating and then say they are being harassed….enjoy watching the world cup from home…LOSER. Hope to see you again in ACN, just to rub it in a little more.

    Although my joy is all about us qualifying….thanks for letting me enjoy Egypt’s downfall as well….LOSERS

  123. To Patrick….at least we’ve won a war…Egypt are just the bitches of Israel and the West……..the rest of us stand up and fight…and Algerian’s win…..You just sit there and talk about your great nation (that has done absolutely nothing worthwile in over 5 thousands years)

    That’s right, 5 thousand years of losing…in war, in politics, in sport. Keep talking about how great you believe you are and how terrible we are.

    Our country is 50 years old and developing, yours is 5000 and decaying. Go study the history of egypt (before its gradual decay over the last 3000 years) so that you can rise out of this depression and we will continue to improve our future.

    Oh, and one more thing, suck it LOSERS…see ya in S.A…..or wait, no we won’t see in SA but we will think about you…and how fun it was to kick you ass twice.

  124. Hey uzermaatka, bring it on. What can 80 million losers do to us that the french couldn’t. As I said earlier, Algeria has a history of winning wars, Egypt has a history of decaying slowly…..enjoy the slow downfall of your society losers

  125. I feel tempted to repeat my observation in post #78:

    How interesting to see the love between muslim nations unfold – all over a game of football.

  126. u mean sitting by and being led by a lebanese boy called hanny (hanibaal barca) into italy and then pretty much doing nothing for 2 thousand years. Oh and didnt the french vote to give u ur independace after they got fed up with u? and dont u clean their toilets and pick their garbage right now? algeria has a history of doing nothing aprt from rioting and killing mindlessly anything they dont like. apart from that what do u guys do??

    ps our economy is well doing well were not as messed up as we used to and weve fucked off more people in history than well anyone else and guess what were still standing.

    ps u have barely 200 modern tanks the rest is obsolete t54s t62s and ur airforce is well insanely obsolete. so ahem again what can u do exactly? oh and by the way honeslty ur not even worth it!!

    and in case u havent noticed my sarcastic remarks regarding deathstars and aircraft carriers mean i was joking. but again algerians are well………

  127. To all the Algerian fans on this blog. I was the first to congratulate you after the game in Sudan and posted that we will stand behind you in the World Cup, I tell you now after the savage behavior of your people in Sudan you lost all respect, after reading what you write on you tube I feel sorry for you and your country.

    The incident that happened in Egypt from Egyptian fans against your players in their bus if true it is very sad and I am awfully sorry that any Egypt fan will do such a thing.

    Just remember that you haven’t been the best in the past to the Egyptian players and you can give them a flower in the airport but our players have suffered in your country and one of your players was jailed for his vicious attack on the Egyptian doctor team before.

    We played many countries including Italy, Brazil, etc….. and we never had anything like this happen to us.

    Go away and leave the Egyptians alone you won to qualify for the World cup but you lost 85 million people and a great country.

    We don ‘t wish to be Algerians you look so small and stop burning the french people businesses and cars they have nothing to do with Egyptians.

    Shame on you really!

  128. Marianne,

    This has nothing to do with Islam so stop your comments we don’t need it, if you don’t have anything positive to say don’t say it.

  129. What did France do to you?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a16Nd7qP7l4

  130. Mac,
    Come on, that’s a real low level of childish filth. You might not know what you’re doing, but you might be destroying the lives of other people (his parents and siblings) who have nothing to do with what he writes. Why? Just because his stupid blog pissed you off? If you really care about the Sandmonkey defaming your own religion, I think you’re doing a heck of a better job. If you really care and know about your religion, just think how big of a crime against god you’ve just committed.
    The Enigma thing is totally legitimate and hilarious enough by itself, who cares if he’s a fat hairy nerd, but writing for this “Let them eat cake” publication, having articles just falling short of having titles like “Why poor people suck” or ” How to avoid having any contact with ordinary Egyptians” or “How to make poor people feel they’re worthless and inferior on a daily basis” or “Five cool nick names for your mom if her real name is Nabaweya” or “Ten fashion mistakes that would instantly tell that your dad was a makwagy and not a UN ambassador as you’ve been telling everyone” or “Twenty prominent Egyptians with the last name Hareedy or 3atrees who you can claim are your uncle” or “How our retarded magazine has the potential of single handedly ushering in a French/Bolshevik/Iranian style revolution in Egypt”.
    Yeah Mehdi, let it all come out, what most Arabs really feel deep inside against Egypt. You know what? It still feels a hell of a lot better to be Egyptian than Algerian.

  131. Burning Egyptian firms in Algeria

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLEyX8XJU2A

  132. Mohamed,

    No matter what we do we are hated obviously. We send our teachers to educate them and our engineers to build their countries and our doctors to treat them but yet we are hated.

  133. Twosret,
    The only good thing that might come out of that is getting us closer to realizing what an idiot 3abdelnasser was.

  134. Mohamed,

    I am honestly shocked that there is this much hate against Egyptians unbelievable!

  135. Mohamed,

    You know, I worked for two of the biggest multi national companies in Egypt for three years and we had clear instructions to hire Palestinians over Egyptians as their contracts and visas will end and we did. We preferred to help the Palestinians over our own and some stupid Algerian come to tell me now that we haven’t done much to Palestinians.

    How despicable and ungrateful and hateful!

  136. #109, I stand corrected Adam!! :)

    It was late. Still doesn’t compare to the homo erotic fantasies of Mac!! He seems to think that someone out there believes is little self revealing story, too rich!! Must really suck to be him!!

    Is that all you got Mac? A rejected forum story for Playgirl magazine? So lame!!

  137. Mohamed,

    Islam states, your honor and your property must be protected at any costs. Advise them once, twice, thrice, then if they do not cease and deist – make war with them. I beg to differ that Mac is insulting Islam with his actions. he is fighting Sandmonkey style, in the trench. I agree exposing Sandmonkey to be the the liar (enigma magazine, that he blatantly denied), his obviously being bi-sexual, his sanctimonious demeanor towards Islam and his own people, a maladjusted individual turned traitor, to all be good things. If I had this information I would have done the same thing because what else can we do. No one physically threatened him. We just want to spread the news what a farce he is. Plus now that people will soon know hsi address with his mommy aunty Hoda, in Zamalek – hehe, he still lives with his mom how lame hehe. He will think twice about being a coward keyboard warrior and pissing people off that he otherwise wouldn’t piss off. He had a good 4 year run, but that’s about it, it will soon be over I promise you. If he really cares about his family then he will cease and desist or even close the blog down before more dirt surfaces. War sucks, but in case you haven’t noticed, this is war. And wars have been started over much more trivial things. Now can we stop it with the good cop bad cop scenario already. Just enjoy his demise and savor every moment of it. shrug, although I know you will miss ticking off your 2 favorite psychotic hermits; namely Craig and Adam :)

    I got Mac’s back 1000%

    Cheers buddy

  138. Mohamed

    …add tedders to that the list :)

  139. They perfectly fit the description you gave of the majority of resentful Sandmonkey blog frequenters who come here already hating their own mothers. Nice one dude.

  140. Hesham,

    This blog is initiated from the US and I promise you that many Egyptian-Americans, Jordanian-Americans, Jewish-Americans, Italian-Americans, and ordinary Americans would love to bust your butt and get you arrested for your threats.

    In the law of the United States this is blackmail and an offense, trust me if you don’t stop your threats I can assure you that the Americans on this board will report you.

    Just so you know you are not invisible you can run but you can’t hide. If you post one more threat to Sandmonkey I will contact the authorities myself.

  141. How come several comment links (including “Mac” the one claimming to be solver of Sandmonkey secret identity) when you click on them open to the Blog site main page!!!??. i.e. sandmonkey main-page. This phenomena is called “Spam Blogging” . Check it on wiki. I think readers of this blog should be careful.

  142. How come several comment links (including “Mac” the one claiming to be solver of Sandmonkey secret identity) when you click on them open to the Blog site main page!!!??. i.e. sandmonkey main-page. This phenomena is called “Spam Blogging” . Check it on wiki. I think readers of this blog should be careful.

  143. I don’t quite follow all this exposing sandmonkey business. His identity was exposed years ago by Faisal al Kasim as per the comment below published here on the “The Sandmonkeys Bio” link

    HOE Says:
    August 10th, 2006 at 12:48 am
    Was that your dad today (Aug 8th 2006) on the ‘Opposite Direction’ on Aljazeera? Ali Salem was the name, lol. Polemical liberal delusional…idiot too. lol

  144. Domo,

    No they add Sandmonkey’s website to the website field on leave a reply because they are cowards and criminals. I am chatting with an Egyptian-American blogger now and they are well connected in Egypt too and they will do something about it. Those individuals Sandmonkey knows by name so they will eventually get arrested.

  145. “Mohamed

    …add tedders to that the list ”

    I’ll wear that like a badge of honor, Momo.

    Got anything else besides arab bravado Baghdad Bob?

    Hesham has Macs back 1000% because Hesham is Mac.

    “then if they do not cease and deist – make war with them. ”

    LOL!! How’s that working out for you? Too funny!! You can’t see the asswipe that you are, oh well, everyone else can!!

  146. The Porter says:

    Tedders,

    They forgot that they can’t mess with Texans :-)

  147. Twosret – #135

    It wasn’t my intention to offend you. Sorry.

  148. Teddy,

    I would take Craig over Mac any minute my Goodness!

    Marianne,

    I am sorry too I wasn’t being mean. We have so much going on with the Algerian situation and some Egyptian and Arab haters on this blog.

    Please accept my apology too :-(

  149. @ Twosret,

    “We have so much going on with the Algerian situation and some Egyptian and Arab haters on this blog.”

    Umm like Sandmonkey you mean LOLOL.

  150. Friend of Egypt says:

    @ Porter

    You idiot,

    Has it ever occurred to you that Hesham may not be my real name. That I might be one of those Egyptian/Americans you brave, residing somewhere within the Western hemisphere, say in Washington DC or something, maybe even having some sort of Diplomatic immunity, typing behind advanced firewalls?? Pffft, of course you didn’t. Hesham is not me real name Einstein. Secondly, even an intern at the state department is able to confer that I, the o called Hesham, made no blackmail threats whatsoever. I merely reiterated my approval of of what Mac is doing.

    Who made no threats either, who happens to have immunity in Egypt because of his fathers position in the assembly, where he met Hoda; Mahmoud’s mother so I take it. The reason he hasn’t been incarcerated up until now. Plus with the help of his aunts etc.

    Besides you ever heard of Internet law? It is complicated, and seeing that this whole affair started over defaming Egypt and mocking her over her loss with Algeria. You forget that the Mubarak circle and the elite of Egypt are huge football fans. alaa Mubarak has gone on record and said those Algerian hooligans that attacked helpless Egyptian woman and children deserve to be beaten on the their heads.

    Besides, Mahmoud Salem degenerates Egypt from within Egypt, so it is irrelevant that his domain is hosted from within the U.S.

  151. Marianne,

    If cars are burned everyday in France, its mostly by Algerians.

    http://fr.news.yahoo.com/3/20091119/tsp-football-egypte-algerie-france-incid-db75e62.html

  152. Now that the spam filter will alllow me to post under my real name, the fun continues. Down with Algeria, down with Zionists who want to hurt Egypt, down with the Egyptian Sandmonkley Mahmoud Salem, a.k.a. Mood.

    It’s called free speech, you ee, no threats what so ever.

  153. Yup, shure, Hesham is my real name, ha ha hahaha ha ha

  154. Hesham, thanks my friend bas fokkak menohom already. we are not here to debate anymore. I never was in the first place.

  155. Hesham, thanks my friend bas fokkak menohom already. I aint here to debate anyone who defames Islam or the prophet Muhammad [SAW], Egypt, Arabs, Muslims etc.

  156. A promised:

    the Egyptian Sandmonkey’s photograph.

    http://s960.photobucket.com/albums/ae88/CraigMacWillDoThingsLikeThat/?action=view&current=HoHoHoIamFatUnattractive-2.jpg

    Mahmoud Salem’s a.k.a. Mood’s photograph.

    http://s960.photobucket.com/albums/ae88/CraigMacWillDoThingsLikeThat/?action=view&current=HoHoHoIamFatVeryUnattractive-1.jpg
    Anyone who loves Egypt, Islam & common decency, please spread the image of Mahmoud Salem a.k.a. the Mood, the Egyptian Sandmonkey, to all caring individuals, to deter him from insulting our beloved Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) & our homeland of Egypt. Word has already spread on other blogs that he wants to name his dog after Prophet Mohamed.

    Will leave you guys with this classic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RD9aOm4394

  157. Mac & DWDS & Hesham & Muhammad.

    Yawn, … how old are you guys? Very very juvenile behavior you exhibit.

    Funniest part is that you think you’re warriors but everyone else just thinks you’re douche bags!

    Here’s a reference picture for how we interpret you and your kind:

    http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Humor/Images/DoucheBag.jpg

  158. Marie Claude says:

    Adam,
    the problem isn’t the french “players”, it’s the soccer admitted rules that prevail above the fairness : money businesses ! until the last decades this wasn’t the case in France, that is whay our best players became expats, cuz big money attracted them in abroad clubs !

    About Thierry Henry, he admitted his “fault” and he is ready to re-play the match, but it won’t be possible accordint to the FIFA rules !

  159. Marie Claude says:

    uzermaatka,

    olright, say, only “Le Parisien” mentionned it, and sorry, my time is counted, I didn’t get this article !

    Now our banlieuzards, if they aren’t happy in our country, they can go back to their father’s patry ! See if they’ll enjoy the same freedom !

    Until a “Le Pen” comes to power, and they’ll get paratroopers in their surburbs quaters !

    the thing is, that they don’t burn rich population’s cars, but of their own poor compatriots’s !

    they can go fuck themselves in Somalia and or in Afghanistan, see if the muslims there will make the difference !

  160. How are you enjoying Portugal Marie? We’re off to Roma tomorrow!! Have some port and sherry for me while your there!!

  161. Twosret @139,

    the only teachers, engineers and doctors Egypt sent Algeria during the 80′s were in fact shoemakers and butchers.

    The only thing they taught Algerian youth is salafism and similar extremist ideology.

  162. Brahim,

    Yeah, very expected from a low life Algerian, we have seen worse on public tv. Is Boutefliqa giving the ex criminals PC’s too?

  163. uzermaatka says:

    @marie claude
    no problem hope u enjoy ur trip.

    @Twosret
    its funny how we had the capacity develop our own jet aircraft nuclear program and had more university graduates than some of them had populations and still they deny we had the capacity to send them doctors and engineers and teachers.

    we write their constitutions, lay the foundations of their states, educate their current rulling class, train their armies and they poke fun at us. I mean were not wonderful but sure as hell we tower over them (arabs).

    seriously were to nice. Im not angry anymore im just fed up at the whole mess. ah well children will have to grow up sometime.

    im waking up rameses from the museam hell know what to do.

    p.s yes were sons of far3awn and all the other pharoahs im not sure why some think wed be insulted. some of them forget they were once quraish etc.

  164. uzermaatka,

    Big lesson for us to take care of our own people first and I sure do hope we cut the diplomatic ties with those savages.

  165. Mohamed,

    I thought of you watching this poetry from Abnoudy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqja2RxOVyA

  166. Twosret,
    How did you find this one. I swear I’ve never heard it before when I mentioned 3abdenasser. This thing got me worked up all over again, thanks Twosret :)
    Anyway, the thing you’ve mentioned regarding hiring Palestinians to keep their visa was the right thing to do, no regrets there, no matter how much they hate us, good for us. What I really regret and has been making my blood boil since yesterday is a situation that happened to me yesterday with a Palestinian “brother” who I’ve went way out of my way and called a lot of favors to help him get an RA position at Stanford with a professor I know, yet
    yesterday, he just couldn’t hide his ecstasy for the game outcome and kept
    rubbing it in my face and very loudly and joyfully congratulated an Algerian
    student (don’t get so excited there Mehdi, that’s the only Algerian I’ve ever
    met whose actually a student and not a pimp or a thief) knowing fully well
    that me and another egyptian friend of mine can hear him.
    Now helping this guy, I totally regret.
    him.

  167. Mohamed,

    I am sure one day the world will wake up a well, when they realize the friend they helped so much (Israel), gives it to them up the ass, sorta like the Palistinian/Algerian sentiment directed towards Egypt row.

  168. Hehe.

    also laughing mu as off at tedders the redneck Bible beating Baptist hick from Texas using the word ‘Roma’ and trying to sound sophisticated :)

    Have a ‘benevolent’ trip their master.

    Where are Adam and Craig, did they crawl back into their holes already or what?

  169. Mac & DWDS & Hesham & Muhammad wtf are you doing?? You need to stop this extremely childish behavior of personal attacks on Sam. And get a fuckin life already and stop being asshole(s) As a former blogger I had my disputes with the Sandmonkey, maybe some of the commentators over here could remember it. I was the first Egyptian blogger to attack him on the blogosphere, we even created articles in several parts just for dissin’ each other on our blogs, until one day we realized that both of us are heading towards the same location only taking different routes and rides. But again our attacks never went beyond verbal mocking each other ideologies (maybe explicit) but never went that personal like you are doing. If you really love your country and you feel you need to rise as a nation you need to listen to different views than yours even when it reaches you as blatant attack on your deepest beliefs. You can refute it all you want just do it in matter that can be respected. What will benefit you from posting his pic like that for public? You want some idiot to go and whack him or government goons to arrest him or what?? so you can have celebration orgy with some of your drooling friends. Grow up cyberbullies! And focus your overdose of patriotism that’s currently rushing in your veins into something more constructive.

    Damn it… I can’t believe I’ve just defended the Sandmonkey in a comment, I must be getting old and boring! Well I need to go back to the old me a little bit… so 1 2 3 FUCK L’ALGERIE from the Barbary coasts all they way up to the banlieues of France! phewww… got that out of my system!
    Twosret… it’s been a while how are you doing? :) I’m shocked! you and Abnoudy are against Nasser! lol I’m glad that people are starting to realize that Nasser was the route of all evil… a bit late but better late than…..

  170. MaGdee,

    I remember your posts way back when, and it is very noble of you to try and defend the Sandmonkey. But I beg t o differ with you. Did you ever insult the prophet on your blog, Islam, Egypt, I think No? What Mahmoud Salem did is totally unacceptable. when a foreign state does it, we Egyptians are more or less helpless. But when a so called son of Egypt does it from our own shores. It’s END GAME time. Did you find your route to fame through being featured on anti Egyptian, anti Arab, anti Muslim blogs, as the rejected-as-a-child-Mahmoud Salem the Sandmonkey did, I think no?

    There is a big difference between you and him.

    Posting his real identity and the inner circle he craves to enter is a formidable deterrent from future attacks, mainly on Islam and Egypt. With all due respect MaGdee, what have you done to prevent this? Please pare me the free speech spiel already. It is an honor that these boy’s agreed to post my name up there with theirs in exposing this freak of nature.

    Seriously MaGdee, you were so close. I think you should return to blogging, but this time with a little more pizazz. Whether or not insulting your nation and dominant religion of that nation doesn’t strangely constitute crossing your boundaries.

    I apologize for my fervor, but HE DID make personal attacks on the prophet, someone, for the least bit, should be respected because he is deceased, let alone the most influential figure in history. There is a difference between freedom of expression and blasphemy my friend.

    If he really wants to take a walk on the wild saide, then I suggest that he comes out of the clsoet regarding his all so obvious bi-sexuality.

  171. Muhammad,

    I understand where you’re coming from and I sympathize BUT I’m sorry I can’t spare you the freedom of speech lecture, since I hate to be hypocrite and freedom of speech is one of my strongest beliefs, so I wont’ let that go. I can’t deny that right to anyone, whether Egyptian or foreigner it certainly makes no difference and whether I personally consider that his speech is blasphemous or just hurting it also makes no difference. I believe No speech should be censored or denied unless its inciting physical violence (but I have to admit during my heydays I incited violence on so many people :) ). To me Freedom of Speech is a human right and one should protect it like he protects his own honor.

    You said you want to post his identity as deterrent to future attacks. I wanna ask you what if some nutcase saw that picture you posted and wanted to take matters with his own hands and practice a little personal jihad on Sandmonkey and you certainly know that we have our good share of nutcases. Would you really be happy? Trust me you won’t! You will always live with that fact that you caused harm to an innocent person. An innocent because all he did is spout his damn opinion, which you may disagree or even consider as blasphemy from your own perspective! He’s not a traitor since treason applies only if he’s to be trusted with information and he spat out it to an enemy or openly pledge allegiance to an enemy and last time I checked I the USA or Israel are not enemies according to current state of affairs… I don’t think he did that… what Sandmonkey may exploit is known to everyone. And having in mind ” la ikrah fel deen” what you consider blasphemy may not be considered so by many, so the wise thing to do is to “purge” his blasphemy by words! and not cheap shots or personal damages as it only weakens your case. Emotions are beautiful but reason is what gets you by in life.

    You’re right about one thing I have never done anything to prevent him because I was never on a mission to stop him from the beginning.I saw someone who said some shit about certain topics that I don’t like and decided to make his life uneasy by refuting his …. shit! Look at Twosret she’s been a royal pain in the ass to the Sandmonkey ever since he wheezed his first words and I do believe even if he doesn’t admit that in her own way she made a difference with him.
    I don’t think that I will return to blogging it took some physical and psychological effort from me that I needed to put in other things more important to me (and I wasn’t a very active blogger aslan) but I do miss it though… i was going to tell you that I still have my balls on to blog like in the past because for a second I thought you told me to comeback with more bizazz (.)(.) (you know the how the P and B confuse us :) ) Take Care!

  172. “using the word ‘Roma’ and trying to sound sophisticated”

    Yeah, right! (rolling my eyes)

    I’m off to Roma on a trip this morning, have a great Thanksgiving DWDS and all my friends!! See y’all in about ten days!!

  173. Mohamed,

    My cousin’s husband posted it on his facebook page and I kept trying to find the url and contacted the guy who originally posted it as I don’t have arabic keyboard I couldn’t get it on youtube and they guy was so kind to send me the link. For your eyes only :-)

    I can totally feel for you and know what you mean, I am so down on any Oma talk at this point and I think the evil Jazeera have done it around the Gaza Seige and of course there is the ungratefulness all along.

    I have many links to entertain you lol if you want let me know :-) good high blood pressure booster
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJkzYnEkAec

    NOW MAGDEE,

    If there is a way I can jump in your screen and give you a hug I will but unfortunately I have many good skills but this is not one of them.

    MY GOODNESS!!!! God I miss you!!!!! where have you been? we have to get in touch again, how is life treating you habibi? and how is el gawaz ya gameel? drop me a line on twosret@yahoo.com so I can add you to my facebook (my only social network at this point)

  174. Marie Claude says:

    tedders, Portugal is fine, fishes on BBQ, Porto…

    Back home next week

    Have a nice trip in Roma too

  175. “Look at Twosret she’s been a royal pain in the ass to the Sandmonkey ever since he wheezed his first words and I do believe even if he doesn’t admit that in her own way she made a difference with him.”

    I have been pain in the ass for many posters here and developed thick skin :-) I am a crocodile by now looool

    I don’t know how to address Hesham, Mac, etc….. but let me give it a try

    I have been on this blog for good 4 years surrounded by many people who hate Arabs, Muslims, Egyptians and anything that walks or talk Arabic.

    I have a different philosophy than yours Hesham, In real life I set a good example as much as I can for every American around me of how Egyptians are like I take an imaginary role of being the ambassador of Egypt without the pay and the fancy office :-) I try to understand the opposite side and I do get emotional, my blood pressure rise to the roof, and I am almost sick physically and emotionally consumed as I feel I am banging my head against the wall.

    I haven’t changed many people views entirely but I have made friends on a personal level who might not agree with me but were kind and open to understand where I come from and I did the same. It is hard but doable and more effective than threats and taking matters in your own hands.

    If you allow me, I will tell you what you are doing wrong, You are proving to the west the ugly and evil image of muslims, you are confirming that muslims impose their religion and thoughts on others and threaten others with violence and harm if they don’t comply.

    THINK please, neither Islam or the Prophet need you to defend them, God is up there and he knows and can see and big enough to take action (al aa’zeem, el montaqem, el gabar) I am not muslim by the way but I do believe that the muslims I grew up with in Egypt are under fire, those were the muslims who stood by my mother when she was a young widow with two little children and would babysit us and take care of us until she comes back from school to obtain a law degree. I owe it to them and I owe it to my childhood friends who prayed in my house, who loved me and supported me, I wanted to be their voice on this blog I wanted to say that the muslims are not all terrorists and extremists.

    The personal attack on Sandmonkey’s weight is totally childish and uncalled for, guess what? half the American people if not more are Fat and very fat. Being overweight and being one myself God damn the BMI and whoever created that lol has nothing to do with this blog or it’s author. We didn’t come here based on a cute Egyptian guy posting some fashion stuff, it was all about thoughts and politics.

    On a personal level, I know Sandmonkey and was grateful to a friend who surprised me one day and hooked us up in DC and despite our major disagreement I can only say he NEVER failed me as a friend, he was ALWAYS there for me. He is a good kind guy on a personal level . Even if he lied for any reason who doesn’t ;-)

    Please reconsider your position and please don’t subject anyone on this blog including the author to uncalled attacks and harm.

    I hope you will reason and consider. I think it will be good idea to get your dad, SM dad’s, you and SM and try a kumbaya and when I visit Egypt I will look for Mac the warrior LOL.

    Mohamed,

    What was that guy name in Zamalek magnoon soad hosni ? my God I can’t stop laughing every time I remember this story lol

  176. brooklynjon says:

    And can someone explain to me why exactly the honor of a prophet or a deity needs to be defended by a mortal. I mean, shouldn’t the omnipotent be able to take matters into His own hands? If He, in His divine wisdom, deems a statement or picture to be offensive, can’t He punish the sinner as He sees fit? And if He’s as merciful as everyone seems to think He is, isn’t it likely that He’ll forgive the transgressor anyway? So, where does this great need to find the evil offenders and punish them on His behalf? I’m honestly completely baffled by this.

    Let me also add myself to the chorus of those who think that ad hominem attacks on the Sandmonkey are childish. But, frankly more than that, they tell people that your beliefs have no intellectual heft. That the only counter you have to beliefs you disagree with is to try to suppress them. Well, if you could easily crush them with irrefutable facts and reasoning, you would do that, wouldn’t you? But you evidently can’t. So you resort to brutish tactics. Of course, the odds are that you are sufficiently small minded that you will never consider the error in your various ways. Pity.

    bj

  177. brooklynjon says:

    Twosret,

    “If you allow me, I will tell you what you are doing wrong, You are proving to the west the ugly and evil image of muslims, you are confirming that muslims impose their religion and thoughts on others and threaten others with violence and harm if they don’t comply.”

    Actually, if this is what is in his heart, and this is what he is taught by his religious leaders, then this is what he is doing RIGHT. If he thinks one thing, but says another thing, then he is part of a public misinformation campaign to sugar coat a belief system to make it more palatable to western ears. Perhaps you should consider that his views are honest, that he may speak not only for himself, and that there are possibly many, many others like him. Given your own views, it may be uncomfortable to listen to his, just as it makes me cringe listening to Jewish xenophobes, but if that’s how he feels, he should say it.

    Of course he is doing a disservice to himself, but he is doing a great service to those who want to learn about his ideology.

    And I’ll leave your little drive-by-shooting of Israel vis-a-vis Gaza alone.

    bj

  178. “And I’ll leave your little drive-by-shooting of Israel vis-a-vis Gaza alone.”

    huh???? what are you talking about?

  179. Twosret,
    The really frustrating thing is that next time Israel feels like starting the wholesale butchering of the Palestinians again, most probably I won’t help but feel terribly sad for them again.
    You’re right about el gezeera, what the hell’s wrong with them.
    He’s called Fat7y. I was in Egypt in March and didn’t hear him shouting profanities once, I asked my mom about him which reminded her of the spit incident, she said “it’s been a while since he last appeared, a7san”.

  180. brooklynjon says:

    Mohammed,

    That’s fair enough. Will you also feel sad when some Palestinians start wholesale butchering of Israelis too?

    bj

  181. Twos @ 135:

    It should be only football, yes, but obviously it’s so much more as well… What Marianne is observing is simply the irony in all muslim nations swearing allegiance to the common muslim cause, but are instantly ready to go at each others throats, literally, over a mere sport. It sort of makes the muslim unity sound… hollow.

  182. Hesham @ 144:

    “I agree exposing Sandmonkey to be”

    Uh, so far all we’ve seen is Mac aka DWDS aka Sand Ape saying that Sam is some random egyptian fellow, while providing zero proof whatsoever…

    “because what else can we do.”

    Well, you could try to argue with him? Just a thought – obviously one completely alien to you… :D

    “No one physically threatened him.”

    Sure – they/he told him to stop blogging or start fearing for his life.

    “but in case you haven’t noticed, this is war.”

    I hadn’t. In that case, it’s one that you started…

    “although I know you will miss ticking off”

    I’m pretty confident we’re the ones doing the ticking off… The swearword ratio certainly supports my view! :D

  183. DWDS @ 175:

    Nah, we’re still here. We just happens to have lives outside the internet, which means a little weekend socialization.

    There, there, no need to cry – one day you might get friends as well… Might! :D

  184. BJ @ 183:

    The eternal paradox of religion, and the one question that will never be answered by the religious…

  185. No Adam,

    I know you wish it will be the case that it is religion but it is not it is politics and football not Islam lol

  186. Defending the Honor of the moehammed is impossible because a fraudulent prophet, baby-raping, slave-taking, caravan raiding thief, and if many reports are to be believed, a plagiarist, who engaged ethnic cleansing, assassination of his critics, a list of horrors and atrocities to long to list, such human filth as this has no Honor. Having no honor, it is impossible to defend, that which doesn’t exist. Just like the worst homophobes are closet-case gays. or individuals deeply insecure in their sexuality, many muslims deep down know the entire religion is pure fly encrusted bullshit, that explains the frequent, exaggerated displays of pious violence and attempted intimidation of critics.

  187. Twos, I know this particular incidence revolves around football/national pride + grudges and to some extent politics.

    The thing is, the rest of us can’t help but notice the fact that two muslim nations are at each others throats every bit as lividly as when the West is the target of muslim rage, at which point, mind you, they miss no opportunity to advertise the worldwide muslim brotherhood and community. It’s funny how this brotherly love obviously evaporates as soon as the opponent is one of their own… ;)

  188. Funniest part is that you think you’re warriors but everyone else just thinks you’re douche bags!

    Tedders: I only object to one thing……. its douchebag not douche bag as BJ has so kindly pointed out to me :D

    I’ll tell you guys a really funny story and its true 100%. On one of my trips to Amsterdam. I came across a three bunches of Algerians in a fight with belts, bicycle chains and a couple had machetes. It turns out that the fight was over protection money that they charge the Algerian girls they pimp in the famous redlight district. Needless to say they were quickly swarmed by the Dutch cops and arrested after a good street beating.

    The moral of the story is that Algerians only get excited over two things, soccer and the proceeds of their women. All you hear about Algerians all over Europe is their soccer hooligans, their terrorist beahviour in France and their mediocre hookers. If i’ve missed anything please free to correct me!

  189. MaGdee,

    “Trust me you won’t! You will always live with that fact that you caused harm to an innocent person. ”

    I didn’t do any threatening, if Mac did, all it was was the exposing of hi identity. Please don’t tell me you are starting to suffer from the same delusional grandeur that Adam is suffering from. Conveniently grouping Arafat, Hamas, Abbas, Qaddafi, Ahmadinejad, the Ayatollah, Saddam Hussein, Mother Teressa, DWDS, Chev Guevara, Sand Ape, Mac, Hesham & Manny Pacquiao as all being the same person.

    I merely agree if someone anonymous is insulting your mother and it is causing you pain, it is ok to alleviate your pain by exposing this person. Plain and simple.

    Twosret,

    There are not many people like you at all. I think we have our first Coptic female presidential candidate. I will surely vote for you, even if your name isn’t on the ballot. But like I told Magdee, if it were me, I wouldn’t cease and dessist. As a mother you should know, if someone makes personal attacks on your children, you would definitely react. (hope you’ve watched Egypt’ second favorite pas time after football; Desperate House Wives. Then you will better now what I’m talking about). We Muslim’s love the Prophet Muhammad more than our own children and parents as far as that is concerned. It is just not going to happen, PERIOD. American Muslims with PHD’s will agree with me 100%.

    The outrage over Sandmonkey’s photograph is proof enough that danger lurks due to the offences he has commited against Islam and the beloved prophet. If you were able to convince even one Muslim that what Mac is doing is wrong, then I will be amazed. It’s like saying, let someone say your children have swine flu, causing a stigma and resulting in them being shunned and treated wrongfully, all in the name of opinion and free speech LOL.

  190. For more authenticity regarding the pictures of the Egyptian Sandmonkey – Mahmoud Salem, a quick Google image search for “Egypt blogs America.” will direct you to this page. (Notice the female in the picture about half way down the entire page)

    http://eurekadejavu.blogspot.com/2008_11_01_archive.html

    This same girl, (probably from Enigma magazine), is also pictured below, with Mahmoud Salem – the Sandmonkey – Prophet insulter.

    http://s960.photobucket.com/albums/ae88/CraigMacWillDoThingsLikeThat/?action=view&current=HeyImthefatracistemotionallydeprive.jpg

    Note he is wearing the same blue shirt that he was first exposed in.

    http://s960.photobucket.com/albums/ae88/CraigMacWillDoThingsLikeThat/?action=view&current=HoHoHoIamFatVeryUnattractive-1.jpg

    It doesn’t take a genius, as everyone can remember, Sandmonkey informed his readers that he was going to participate in the “Egypt Blogs America” project to cover the elections (which turned out to be historic).

  191. Nicely said Muhammad.

    Tworset that is my answer as well.

  192. Brooklyn Jon,
    First of all the level of butchering by the world’s fourth strongest army could never be matched by a helpless and abused population. So the wholesale murder thing could never be reciprocal. Second, it’s Israel that’s occupying their land, demolishing their homes, confiscating their farms, restricting their movement, diverting their water supply, treating them like animals, and unleashes an entire army of mouth foaming rabid zealot settlers to turn their lives into unbearable hell, essentially pushing them into an impossible corner, then beat them again if they even cry in agony. So to answer your question with all honesty without mincing words, if the roles were reversed and it was
    the Palestinians who were the stronger abusive occupiers and the Israelis
    became the helpless occupied, I give you my word I’d feel equally sad for
    them.

  193. nada from ny says:

    #200!!!!!!!!!!

  194. Muhammad and Mac,

    May I ask when did Sandmonkey insulted the Prophet Mohamed? I have been on and off on this blog for four years and I don’t know when did this happen. I know that there scum of the earth like Cameron who have no respect to prophets or religions, who come here and vent their sick and disgusting garbage but I can’t recall Sandmonkey doing so.

    I know he objects to some extreme stuff and I know he might have the tendency to defend Israeli actions but I am not sure when did he insult the prophet.

    Your love for your religion and your love for your prophet is all good but what Mohammed and I are trying to tell you is that by exposing someone’s identity a religious nut might try to kill him and believe me most people on this blog met Sandmonkey and know him in person so what’s the point really?

    Estahdwo bel Allah keda ya welad matshametoosh elly bally balkom feena :-) aa’lashan mama Twosret :-)

  195. Muhammad and Mac,

    May I ask when did Sandmonkey insulted the Prophet Mohamed? I have been on and off on this blog for four years and I don’t know when did this happen. I know that there scum of the earth like Cameron who have no respect to prophets or religions, who come here and vent their sick and disgusting garbage but I can’t recall Sandmonkey doing so.

    I know he objects to some extreme stuff and I know he might have the tendency to defend Israeli actions but I am not sure when did he insult the prophet.

    Your love for your religion and your love for your prophet is all good but what Mohammed and I are trying to tell you is that by exposing someone’s identity a religious nut might try to kill him and believe me most people on this blog met Sandmonkey and know him in person so what’s the point really?

    Estahdwo bel Allah keda ya welad matshametoosh elly bally balkom feena :-) aa’lashan mama Twosret :-)

  196. Tworset I am not into all this writing back and forth stuff. Some people might be into it but I am not. So I am like you and don’t keep close track of his crap. All I know is back when that Sudanese teacher named her teddy bear Muhammad, or maybe it was over the cartoons in Denmark. Mood missed no chances to insult our prophet. If he were emotionally nurtured, do you think he would have turned out this way? He lies, as already proven by his article in Enigma magazine about Obama which he denied, meaning he has NO INTEGRITY, he is pro kill-Palestinian-babies A7A, he is an anti-social misfit, he is obese, repulsive, what exactly are you defending? That you met the guy and sent you a few emails and comforting jokes? His mom gave my dad VD for heavens sake. Would you let him insult your kids by any chance Twosret, I don’t think so. I love my prophet more then my kids. I am not saying I want a Salafist to kill him, but if it happened, ooops! He should have thought about that when being a rude obnoxious prick, pandering to his dark side. Sandmonkey is through insulting. Any transgression will be reported to the authorities. Religious or governmental. there is a Mahmoud Salem watch 24/7 now, there are new sheriff’s in town.

    Even though an individual wouldn’t give me a certain photo album, which is pointless anyways, even when I told them what it was for and telling them all the rotten things he did. Because when they heard who he was, they said haram 3alaik, it is a well known fact he comes from a broken home, clinically proven to be mentally unstable and on lot’s medication. Mind you this person is carbon copy of his parents, a certain relative of mine.

    Have you guessed who I am yet Mood? Sure you have, even one time thugs like my self have scruples and respect for our elders, unlike you.

    Stop hating on Egypt and Islam, the two things which actually gave a fuck about you when nobody else did. Now that word will stay out, if your wise you will see your errors.

    Egyptians for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RD9aOm4394

    Sorry but thats all I will say for now

  197. uzermaatka says:

    @Twosret

    ur comment at 182 is wonderful. Its what I do and encourage otehrs to do. U have a harder job americans are more egocentrically educated than europeans.

    if u run for president im voting for u.

    and yes it can be madenning they know so little about us. U mention averoes, avicena, maimonedes. Armen firman they have no clue. you explain were very different than the cave men u c in afghanistan. and some cant tell the difference between what an arab is and that its very different from what a muslim is. I spent 3 hours once explaining to the disbelief of my listeners than iranians and turks are not arabs!! I ended up explaining the turkic and indo-iranian migrations!!!!

    so keep it up. Please run for president egypt needs to wake up.

  198. uzermaatka says:

    @mac

    I cant remmeber where but it does say somwhere fel Qur’an al kareem. that if someone insults ur religion, just walk away. Ill find out which chapter. our religion focuses on ignoring insults. imams open their sermons every frieday asking God to forgive those who do us injustice ‘wa3fo 3an man thalamana’. also ‘wat’kena shar man 3adana’.

    al3azeez, aljabar, thol jalal wal ikram doesnt need protection. either does al mustafa (he didnt defend himself from abuse, like what his uncles wife used to do hiring slaves to throw stuff at him. Or even later in madina when an 2a3raby tore his shirt demanding financial aid. he smiled and helped him out.

    i think thats the example we follow.

    anyways. salam.

  199. brooklynjon says:

    Mohammed,

    So, to get this straight, blowing up Israeli school buses, and religious observances, and pizzerias, and markets is fine with you, and you shed no tears. Is this correct?

    Mass murder in religious schools? Is this ok?

    Persistent, daily rocket attacks on civilian centers with no military use? ok?

    And when the rockets are launched from populated areas so that return fire kills innocents, this is ok too?

    And the ethnic cleansing of their Jewish minorities that the Arab countries have done (notable exception: Morocco) is all fine with you? Do the Jews who were unceremoniously booted out of the Arab world merit compensation? Or were they just dirty Jews, and they deserved worse than what they got?

    In your mind, the Jews are bloodthirsty savages hell bent on killing and maiming as much as they can? Yet, bizarrely with the fourth largest army in the world (hmmmmm…. where have I heard this implausible claim before?) they still can’t manage to finish off the Palestinians? And the Palestinians are all innocent sheep who want nothing but to live in peace and harmony with all mankind?

    Just askin’, dude.

    You know, there is actually another side to this story.

    bj

  200. MuHaMMad @ 196:

    “I didn’t do any threatening, if Mac did, all it was was the exposing of hi identity.”

    …which you obviously both expect to endanger his life and well-being – I’d say that’s a pretty serious act and a clear threat if it turns out you’re right!

    “the same delusional grandeur that Adam is suffering from”

    Do you know what the words you’re using mean? :D

    As for grouping certain individuals together, I don’t think Mother Teresa etc. fits in too well, but Sandy, Mac and DWDS certainly fit the bill, in terms of posting the exact same message right after each other and using exactly the same inane phrases when they attempt to express themselves…

    “I merely agree if someone anonymous is insulting your mother and it is causing you pain, it is ok to alleviate your pain by exposing this person.”

    No one is insulting anyones mom (well, Mac did insult Sam’s mother, but why take him seriously? :D ). Even if someone was, deliberately putting that person in danger is in no way excusable; it just exposes you as a pocket-fascist and a full blown psychopath.

    “if someone makes personal attacks on your children”

    Now it’s children being insulted… Can you make up your mind?

    “We Muslim’s love the Prophet Muhammad”

    …but don’t seem to think that he can take care of himself, let alone deal with a bit of ridicule.

    “It is just not going to happen, PERIOD”

    What’s not going to happen? Please, proofread before posting – it’ll make understanding you so much easier…

    “The outrage over Sandmonkey’s photograph is proof enough that danger lurks”

    Thank you for just contradicting yourself in your first sentence!

    “If you were able to convince even one Muslim that what Mac is doing is wrong, then I will be amazed”

    …which pretty much explains the view that the rest of us have on muslims (in general). As it is, we have at least one muslim on this site that disagrees, so luckily you’ve been disproven as usual.

  201. Mo @ 199:

    “the level of butchering by the world’s fourth strongest army could never be matched by a helpless and abused population”

    Even if we accept your ridiculous charges of “butchering” and “wholesale murder”, which of course we don’t, why then does your “helpless and abused population” keep giving them plenty of excuses to act like they do? Surely you as well as the Palestinians must have noticed that military attacks only occur as a result of bombings and rocket attacks launched from Palestinian soil? It should be quite easy to put two and two together…

    “Hey, every time our ragged group of guerrillas attack the 4th largest army in the world, they retaliate with overwhelming force. When we do nothing, they leave us alone. Maybe we should, like, STOP attacking our much stronger neighbour all the time? Hell, if we stopped attacking everyone else as well, we might get a better platform for presenting our arguments…!”

  202. Mac @ 203:

    “I love my prophet more then my kids”

    Which makes you such a sad, sad person. I feel sorry for your poor kids. Hell, I even feel sorry for your prophet, who – being dead for centuries – has no way of acknowledging or rebuking your actions on his behalf!

    Then again, I wonder how good a muslim you actually are, seeing as how you see yourself as better suited to deal out punishment than Allah himself…

    “I am not saying I want a Salafist to kill him”

    But you’re saying you’ll happily provide the information needed to get to him to potential murderers…

    “, but if it happened, ooops!”

    What a totally disgusting human being you are.

    “there are new sheriff’s in town.”

    http://robertod.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/benito_mussolini_and_adolf_hitler.jpg

    “Mind you this person is carbon copy of his parents, a certain relative of mine.”

    What does Islam say about bringing harm to your family?

    “even one time thugs like my self ”

    Here’s one thing that most of us already guessed ages ago. But hey, a little self-recognition – that’s more than we could have hoped for! :D

  203. uzermaatka @ 205 & 206:

    “and some cant tell the difference between what an arab is and that its very different from what a muslim is”

    In all honesty, that might be because most arabs (who are definitely the most vocal group of muslims) tend to equate the two things.

    “if someone insults ur religion, just walk away.”

    Great stuff! Please, do your best to spread the word…!

  204. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6926078.ece

    Someone here has misunderstood the meaning of sports…!!!

    “show the Algerians that they would not get away with their victory.”

    WTF?!?

  205. brooklynjon says:

    uzermaatka @204,

    “U mention averoes, avicena, maimonedes. Armen firman they have no clue.”

    I agree it can be frustrating speaking to others who do not know your national history. But you have to realize that there are plenty of people who do, in fact, know the difference between Arabs and Muslims. Similarly, I’m a little intrigued about your list above. Averroes and Avicena were Muslim Arabs, but Armen Firman was a Berber, and Maimonides was Jewish. It would be just as easy to turn around and say, “Hey, I may not know all the greats in Arab history, but you don’t know all the greats in Berber history, or Jewish history.” Of course, I don’t judge you for it. I just hope you give me some slack too.

    And Rashi, Nachmanides, the Baal Shem Tov, and the Vilna Goen make great reading, by the way. :-)

    bj

  206. Just FYI Jews did not need a homeland, only European Jews did.

    Inviting Jews of other origins, namely Arab, to join the nascent state of Israel . Hence Arab Jew’s were immediately branded as traitors. Just like the US did to Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor. This is called transgression, something that the Jews have been doing for centuries. If they were already so hated for nothing as so many hypocrites claim, then the above was far from being a smart move. The solution must be based on international law, something that Israel has blatantly disregarded. Watch the interview, the English starts at second 49

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M1kbCjTvWQ

    Its a no brainer, what a waste of time having to constantly go over the obvious.

  207. brooklynjon says:

    Common Sense,

    “Just FYI Jews did not need a homeland, only European Jews did.”

    And you are qualified to speak for all Jews? How is this?

    “Hence Arab Jew’s were immediately branded as traitors. Just like the US did to Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor.”

    What the US did to the Japanese was wrong. Nevertheless, there was an active war going on, and the US government felt the need to prevent the Japanese-Americans – who were largely recent immigrants from Japan – from passing military secrets on to Japan. If you feel this justifies kicking out Jews whose ancestors had been living there since before Islam, then perhaps you would also be in favor of Israel kicking out all it’s resident Arabs. No? Goose, meet gander.

    “The solution must be based on international law, something that Israel has blatantly disregarded.”
    International law, such as the UN resolution that created the state of Israel, that was ignored by the surrounding Arab countries, and has been ignored by the PLO (until Oslo) and Hamas (since Oslo)? International law which gives Israel the right to exist? International law, which gives countries the right to respond militarily to attacks from across it’s borders?

    Believe me, I’m not one to say that Israel is always perfect, but you could maybe toss in a little balance with your accusations? If you’re gonna waive the flag of international law around, be prepared to explain your plans to compensate the Jews whose land and property were taken, and who were ethnically cleansed out of the Arab world. If you want sympathy, you should offer some.

  208. Common Sense @ 213:

    I’m presently reading a book about the 1760 journey to “the Happy Arabia”, a Danish-funded scientific expedition meant to uncover secrets of the little known Arabian peninsula.

    http://www.linnaeus.uu.se/online/animal/5_2.html

    Here is an excerpt from their stay in Mokha, southern Yemen:

    “When they wanted to ride into town, they are stopped by the guard and told that it’s illegal for Jews and Christians to ride in the streets of Mokha”

    Here’s another:

    “The dola (sheikh) of Ta’ez explains that he, according to the law of the land, is entitled to the full inheritance every time a Jew or a Banjan (Afghan/Indian) dies in his district.”

    Two among several examples of the local Arabs treating Jews (and other non-arabs or -muslims as well as foreigners) as second rate citizens with limited rights. In other words, all was not joy and merriment before the establishment of Israel…

  209. Bj,
    I think you know by now that you’re one of the very few here among those who I constantly disagree with but respect, as i believe although you have a different perspective on things, you’re always arguing in good faith and not out of stupidity, ignorance and hate, that’s why I always try to seriously engage you as compared to people like Craig, who despite his severe mental handicap I only respond to sarcastically because he’s outrageously entertaining, or Adam B., who I totally ignore as he’s totally dull and boring. Having said that, I think you’re being totally dishonest by your response to me, when I read it, it even seemed to me that you had it prepared before even reading my response, it seemed to me that somehow you’ve decided for me that I automatically don’t value innocent Jewish life or property or suffering or as you put words in mouth that I consider them “just dirty Jews”.
    I understand that you’ve got strong feelings for Israel and wouldn’t blame you for that, most probably had I been Jewish, I’d have strong feelings for it too, but try to detach yourself for a while and honestly imagine if its actions and policies were implemented by Serbia or South Africa or Sudan or Iran for example, would they get away with such impunity, would they be considered above every human and international law? Read my response again and think about it, and realize that to me a human life is a human life, it’s just that the Palestinians are not considered human anymore, and please, no need for the racial stereotypes, at least not from you.
    Regarding Maimonides, are you totally missing the point that had he grown up anywhere in medieval Europe instead of Arab Spain or Egypt, he would have lived a miserable and humiliating life instead of becoming one of the world’s greatest scholars and most probably the third most influential man in Egypt in his time after Saladin and Karakosh?

  210. Common Sense says:

    @ bj,

    “the US government felt the need to prevent the Japanese-Americans – who were largely recent immigrants from Japan – from passing military secrets on to Japan. If you feel this justifies kicking out Jews whose ancestors had been living there since before Islam.”

    This is all the more reason to quarantine them, as they were the core of their respective nations, and not only had the ability to pass on secrets to the Israeli’s, as they already were doing. But also had the capabilities to sway public opinion through their positions and wealth. Meaning they were cold blooded traitors. Nationalism is the greatest enemy of religion. But Jews seem to think they have card blanche with the laws of spirituality as well.

    Anyways, you missed what I said. I said for a solution to take place. A solution. That means starting now. Not after 5000 more settlements have been built. Israel is trying to get its foot into the ground because they know, where they stand right now, they don’t have a very good case as far as international law is concerned. Its called making a run for the money.

    Please watch the video. Honestly now :(

    Mohamed,

    Exactly. because of what transpired in Europe, jews for now have card blanche to do as they please (illegal settlements). If they were South Africans they surely wouldn’t get away with it.

    The video explains it perfectly.

  211. brooklynjon says:

    Mohamed,

    I looked for a link to a vid posted by you, and I didn’t see it. And no, I hadn’t prepared any responses before reading yours.

    I was simply responding to your comment that when Israel begins “wholesale slaughter” again, you’ll become automatically sympathetic. And it makes me wonder where the sympathy is for the town of Sderot, which is still on the receiving end of a rocket every other day, on average. And what, exactly, did the innocent civilians of Sderot do to deserve this? When Israel does respond, I wonder if people consider the context of the response. And when Hamas and other militant groups base their attacks from civilian areas, inviting a response that will necessarily cause civilian casualties, does anyone ever blame them for initiating the violence in the first place. In my opinion, these militant groups are waging a cynical battle in which they are indifferent to their own people because if worst comes to worst, it looks good on TV, and generates more sympathy for their cause.

    Don’t get me wrong. I really have nothing in my heart against Arabs in general or Palestinians in particular. And that is precisely why it angers me when some thug turns a kid into a weapon delivery vehicle or a target for return fire. And if you love the Palestinians, you should be even angrier.

    On the other hand, when people start peddling the line that the Palestinians are within their rights to inflict all manner of damage on civilians on the Israeli side in the interest of getting all their land back than 1) they lose all claim to moral superiority in my mind and 2) they lose the ability to complain about the hardship that necessarily follows. The people have to decide if they want peace or war. If they want war (which public opinion polls seem to indicate), then they should accept that war is hell. If they want peace, then they should act like it, and then they can reasonably demand the same from their opponent. And that involves not necessarily getting everything you want, but getting something reasonable.

    And post a link, and I’ll watch it when I get a chance.

    bj

  212. Common Sense @ 217:

    “This is all the more reason to quarantine them, as they were the core of their respective nations, and not only had the ability to pass on secrets to the Israeli’s, as they already were doing. But also had the capabilities to sway public opinion through their positions and wealth. Meaning they were cold blooded traitors.”

    Uh, no they weren’t – the Jews of various muslim countries were just that; Jews born and living in those countries, which they had been for generations, and often longer than Islam had existed. They had the potential to pass on information to the Israeli, yes, but unlike the japanese-american situation, the arabs were the ones to declare war and attack, and the Jews were indigenous citizens suddenly stuck in a hostile country. The situation was the exact opposite of the one the japanese americans found themselves in, and still the latter were “only” interred for the duration of the war, whereas the former were forcibly expelled with no compensation for lost and confiscated property.

    Cold blooded traitors, were they? Simply by being Jews? No proof needed? No trials in order? Oddly enough, you have actually justified the Israeli in limiting the mobility of the Palestinians living in Israel…

  213. Common Sense says:

    LOL @ “And if you love the Palestinians, you should be even angrier.”

    Sderot is occupied Palestine in the minds of the Palestinians. Here you are asking people to look at it from your side, but you fail to realize Sderot and half israel is occupied land in the first place. Occupied just like the West Bank is illegally being occupied right now and eaten away. Kind of defeats the argument of moral superiority. Especially when Israel is continually breaking international law and explicitly taking what does not belong to them. Strengthening the already all so obvious claims.

  214. Bj,
    Couldn’t disagree entirely with you here, my only disagreement is that the Palestinians are going to lose either way they go (whether they go Gandhi as you’ve suggested or go IRA), they’d still be losing their farms, water and homes, get strangled by encroaching settlements and continue to live their hellish existence, I know and I think you’re smart enough to know, a government like the current one in Israel has absolutely no interest in peace nor Palestinian rights, it’s main goal is maintaining the status quo as long as possible to create facts on the ground (as much land and water grab and settlement building as possible) then claim in the future that overturning those facts (the ones they’re creating right now, and ever since the start of Oslo) would be so traumatizing for the Israeli psyche that even negotiating over them is a no starter.
    P.S: I haven’t referenced any video links :)

  215. brooklynjon says:

    Oh! It was Common Sense. My bad.

    I think the Israeli government is doing what it sees is it’s best interest, just as the government (or governments) of the Palestinian areas.

    You’re probably right that they’re trying to grab land that they think will ultimately be theirs. And I can understand this being upsetting to you. On the other hand, they have the historical memory of having offered a deal that was perceived (by most Israelis and most Jews) as VERY GENEROUS and getting in return not acceptance, and not a counter-offer, but rather violence. The latest round of violence (starting in 2000) totally gutted the Israeli left wing, as it seemed like any gesture would be perceived as weakness, and would just stimulate more violence. The pullback from Gaza followed by the rockets, and the pullback from Lebanon followed by rockets and an ambush only served to reinforce this.

    So at this point, the Palestinian leadership has the Israelis well trained to not make concessions. And in the meantime, you have people like Common Sense, the Hamas leadership, the preachers at PA funded mosques, etc, that make it plain that the occupied territory they want Israel out of is, in fact, all of Israel. And they will fight, or justify and glorify fighting, until every last Jew is gone. So, it’s hard to imagine how the Israeli government could possibly make concessions, either based on recent past, or based on promises for the future. Sad, but true.

    Both sides need to contain their crazies, and focus not on the past, and not on what they think they deserve, but rather focus on what they think they can reasonably get, and what will be in their children’s and their grandchildren’s best interest.

    My forefathers had their property stolen, their friends and family killed, and were kicked out of the country of their birth. My father could have filled me with hate, and made me focus my life on getting back my great-grandfather’s stuff. Instead, he told me to move on, get an education, and live well. In retrospect, it was very, very good advice.

    bj

  216. brooklynjon says:

    And I have to say, I love the expression “go Gandhi”.

    But they don’t even have to go Gandhi. They just have to accept what was offered them, or make a counter offer. Make soothings sounds. Maybe even accept a smidge of humility. And beat down the crazies within their midst. No hunger strikes will be necessary. They could have their state tomorrow. Just as they could have had it in 2000.

    bj

  217. uzermaatka says:

    @Adam B 210 215
    arabs are the most vocal but in the 5 arab countries ive lived in and arabs i met from every nation to date (except mauritania and comoros if thats their name in english) dont consider them the same. the people u see rioting coz some cave has been bombed in afghanistan or uighurs being chased around in china are well, small minorities. we treat non arab muslims with a sense of chauvanistic supremacy. much like western europeans treat eatern europeans to dat the poles regularly takae a bashing in the uk).

    happy arabia
    well its wasnt well eevrywhere. ironically if that expedition had gone to northern yemem they would have found jewish tribes in the mountains which remain till today.
    If u take a look at egypt and the levant they had LARGE numbers of jews (2 kinds recent arivals from europe the smaller group, and people who had been there for god knows how many gernations). and I know definetely jews in egypt in the last 200 years were in every aspect of society parliament, art, media, science. smouha a large district in alexandria is well named after a jew. another notable example is leila murad. As for christians well again the same look at christians in the levant and egypt today u will find no shortage of busnismen scientists genrals etc who are christian, though notably things have been getting messier in egypt for them in the last 20 years or so.

    i do know one of the moracan kings current advisors is jewish. and their doing well. I do know the muslim and jewish garisons of jerusalem were butchered fighting together when it was captured in the first crusade (ironically the cities the crusaders sacked and ruined on the way were mainly arab christians! but well brown like me therefore saracens). the jews of spain survived the inquisition well a large portion of them coz a muslim beyzid II i belive otoman emperor ordered them rescued by his fleet and has them resetled.

    things have gotten messy for middle eastern jews starting with the rise of zionism which clashed with arabism both strong forms of nationalism. add to that mess hitlers mess, (making the jews of europe well to say the least not very tolerant to threats and a bit paranoid when it comes to security). add to that several wars operation susanah, the palistinian refugee mess, the past of european colonialism (europeans shooting another native population many arab intelectuals and people saw it as a repeat of what happened to the natives of america or the scramle of africa, the religious overtures of today took the back seet) NAturally if i was an arab and i had a son killed in that disaster of 67 and my neighbor is jewish i would suspect he would be with “them” since its the country of the jews. well thats what ive concluded reading alll these years and talking to the elders in my clan who remmeber those days.
    one more thing the levels of discrimination jews faced in europe were legendary compared to what they faced in the middle east (not all was rosay it depended on whos in power and its ever convenient to pick on any minority)
    @brooklynjon 206 212

    unceremoniously
    please see above. and i dont think is ok that ANYONE be forced out of his home. it goes both ways though.

    AND yes.
    im aware that moshe ben maimon is jewish saldins dentist too. im awar abbas ibn firnas is a berber. Ibn sainaa2 (avicenna) is well iranian, and ibn rushd (averoes) is also a berber. deliberately NONE are 3arab al 3areba(pure arabs, of arab descent). all are arbised arabs.
    All however were arabised to some extent and lived in the “muslim arab civilisation” of which the majority of the population was not arab or muslim for a while at least.

    and i do know alot about jewish history roman, iranian, and so on im currently stuck in the migration period from the yuehezi and saka till the goths, alemani, kipchaks in the wast they just keep moving around alot!!!

    what i meant is as follows. after 9/11 some in the occident accused us of being bananas understandably that we have never contributed to science. then u have the odd dumb comment of how european civilisation is superior to arab etc and that if it werent for the greeks we would be in the stone age etc. (the wider problem here is eurocentrism we wouldnt be here if it werent for many people indians, chinese, arab, ancient greeks, punic, egyptian, sumer etc). It comes to a shock to many europeans that they were living in mud lined covered streets burning witches 1000 years ago while in the middle east where jews chrtistians, zoroastarians, budhists, animists, shamanists and muslims under a “arab” ruling elite (now known muslim arab civilisation. had more books in baghdad than all of europe put together at one point. U learn about how newton wrote the laws of gravity. yet a syrian i believe got the first 2 and discused the 3rd 600 years before. That is what lacks in european conciesness. its what led to that dark road of racism all out colonialism based on racial superiority culminating in hitler (many choose to ignore they killed as many but in africa, and many choose to ignore they supported his hatred to slavs and jews and roma). poeple in india and middle east and south central asia are on the crossroads of trade and thought and we are acutely aware of how we and others contribute to each other. people on the edges. western europeans and chinese and japanese lived in relative isolation and us such saw only themselves for a while.

    its not nice when i am though of as stupid just coz im a turban head/sand nigger. just as its not nice to be looked down on if ur anything else. I had a nigerian flatmate who had to actuially explain he wasnt born in a tree. (im sorry to say an american exchange student)

    in short we are a stupid species.

    ps. my views of the arab issraeli mess are purely based on the un and politics. I coudlnt care less about genetics migration etc. what gave israel the right to exist also gave the palsetinians that same right. The faster they both sit ans solve it the better shouting at one aonther wont help (only on the short term).

  218. brooklynjon says:

    Common Sense,

    You’re missing my point.

    Palestinians are suffering. They blame Israel for their suffering. But the suffering is, in part, of their own choosing. Now, I want to be clear when I say “their own choosing”, I mean that in a corporate, collective sense. Not every Palestinian is in favor of violence, of course, and the suffering is not limited to those who are in favor of violence. But the leadership chooses this path, and the people suffer. Furthermore, many of the tactics employed are predictably going to increase the suffering of the Palestinian people.

    If you use ambulances to transport war material, you can’t be surprised when ambulances are no longer regarded as non-military. When you hide bombs under supposedly pregnant women’s bellies, you cant be surprised when pregnant women get searched. If you send out a crowd of rock throwing 12-year-olds to confront soldiers, and then put a couple of gunmen in the crowd, you can’t be surprised when the return fire hits the 12 year-olds. And the anger for these things should properly be directed at the people who turned civilian personnel and vehicles into military personnel and vehicles.

    And further, if you want to make an argument based on universal principals, you have to apply those principals to yourself. If purposely killing civilians is bad, then you can’t target them yourself. If you want to make a justification for why it’s okay for you to do so, then you have to accept that the other side may make a justification also.

    Simply put, people have to decide what they want. They can’t have it both ways. If it’s war you want, you can’t complain when you get war. War sucks. I recommend peace.

    bj

  219. brooklynjon says:

    uzermaatka,

    No question the Arab/Muslim civilization of 1000 years ago beat the pants off Europe, and continued to beat Europe in most ways until the 1600s. The fact is, the Arab/Muslim civilization of that time was far more tolerant than Christian Europe, and far more cosmopolitan than Europe. So it should come as no surprise that it was leaps and bounds ahead in terms of science, literature, and civilization in general.

    The thing is, in the last few centuries, Europe has opened up (granted, with fits and starts) and advanced, while the Arab world has substantially shut down. Japan had a lovely traditional society until the mid 1800′s, when they realized that the whole samurais running around with swords wasn’t going to cut (punning!) it when compared to modern, industrialized societies. So, they abandoned their stone-age mentality and modernized, and look at them now.

    And yes, I’m well aware of the generally cordial relations between Jews and Muslims in the past, and in the present in some places. It’s a pity we can’t get back to that. Here’s to hoping that we will.

  220. bj,

    “And what, exactly, did the innocent civilians of Sderot do to deserve this?”

    You need to ask the Israeli Gov that question when they stole the land and built settlements that are ILLEGAL and stole the land, it is the responsibility of the Israelis Gov. not the Palestinians.

    “And that is precisely why it angers me when some thug turns a kid into a weapon delivery vehicle or a target for return fire.”

    Israel army acts the same exact way, Israeli army is not any better!

    http://interkulti.eu/Junglelaw/index.php/home/gaza-a-international-law/87-israeli-soldiers-gaza-accounts-unleash-storm-of-controversy
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1073243.html

    You should be angry very angry too!

    “You’re probably right that they’re trying to grab land that they think will ultimately be theirs. And I can understand this being upsetting to you. On the other hand, they have the historical memory of having offered a deal that was perceived (by most Israelis and most Jews) as VERY GENEROUS and getting in return not acceptance, and not a counter-offer, but rather violence.”

    Wait a second, so Israelis invade a land that the Palestinians lived on before them and kick the people out of their homes and make them refugees in tents, and all over the world and then come back and make a “generous offer” and the Palestinians are suppose to kiss their hand and be happy or what.

    You live in your house and someone come and take it from you and then offer you after bizillion years two rooms, you will be happy????? BE REAL!!!!

    “My forefathers had their property stolen, their friends and family killed, and were kicked out of the country of their birth. My father could have filled me with hate, and made me focus my life on getting back my great-grandfather’s stuff. Instead, he told me to move on, get an education, and live well. In retrospect, it was very, very good advice”

    That’s your father choice don’t expect the Palestinians to follow your fathers foot steps, the Palestinians living under occupation are not the same like your father who had the chance to go to America and build a new life. If your father was trapped in a tent and muddy floors with no light or food to feed you, he will fight the world.

    “They just have to accept what was offered them, or make a counter offer. Make soothings sounds.”

    Would you say the same to the Israeli Gov.? if you can’t then don’t make such statements.

    You are talking about pregnant women and babies, on many posts you have claimed dignity of Israeli soldier, did you not come across this t-shirt design of Israeli soldiers proud of killing pregnant women and designing a t-shirt like this one????

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072466.html

    My links are all ISRAELI NEWSPAPERS as you always claimed our media and propaganda is biased.

  221. So What peace are we talking about exactly? the peace of the Palestinians getting what the Israelis see fit? is that peace? or the peace based on equality and justice?

    Just saying

  222. here here!

    i know were in the stone age mentaly. even japan had to go through 2 nukes to mature (killing to many chinese before).

    our mentality is still in siege. a good link for u to folllow up as a start for why we are upside down mentaly now and things like bush dont help they reinforce the siege mentality.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
    read the last segment. then go here.

    and if u have time chase the references like i did specially the BIIIIG books.

    focus on causes of decline to many wars, adoption of conservative inflexible philosophy of science and then subjugation.

    “The achievements of the Arabic speaking peoples between the ninth and twelfth centuries are so great as to baffle our understanding. The decadence of Islam and of Arabic is almost as puzzling in its speed and completeness as their phenomenal rise. Scholars will forever try to explain it as they try to explain the decadence and fall of Rome. Such questions are exceedingly complex and it is impossible to answer them in a simple way.”
    — George Sarton , The Incubation of Western Culture in the Middle East’

    we r going through our stutters and starts they are often painful. it will take time.

  223. here here!

    i know were in the stone age mentaly. even japan had to go through 2 nukes to mature (killing to many chinese before).

    our mentality is still in siege. a good link for u to folllow up as a start for why we are upside down mentaly now and things like bush dont help they reinforce the siege mentality.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
    read the last segment. then go here.

    and if u have time chase the references like i did specially the BIIIIG books.

    focus on causes of decline to many wars, adoption of conservative inflexible philosophy of science and then subjugation.

    “The achievements of the Arabic speaking peoples between the ninth and twelfth centuries are so great as to baffle our understanding. The decadence of Islam and of Arabic is almost as puzzling in its speed and completeness as their phenomenal rise. Scholars will forever try to explain it as they try to explain the decadence and fall of Rome. Such questions are exceedingly complex and it is impossible to answer them in a simple way.”
    — George Sarton , The Incubation of Western Culture in the Middle East’

    we r going through our stutters and starts they are often painful. it will take time.

  224. oops

  225. BTW, I find the Palestinian Israeli topic to be selfishly discussed (talking about myself too) on a thread about Egypt and the sad events of how the Egyptian people were terrorized in Sudan and the sadness of Egyptians during such horrible event.

    All the Egyptian people are in great sadness and outraged over the horrific events of the post game in Sudan.

    So I will remain silent about the Israeli-Palestinian topic from now and hope all others will consider the feelings of Egyptians.

  226. Common Sense says:

    TWORSET,

    You took the words right out of my mouth.

    OH MY GOD!!!!

    I was going to repeat the same thing for the 29th time, to bj this time, knowing full well he still wont accept it, but then read your comment. Anyone who argues with that is just up to no good.

    Could it be that the Arabs didn’t except the initial state of Israel (Tel Aviv and beyond) because they knew that Jews believed that much more of that biblical should be theres and would probably stop at nothing to get it? Maybe after the British left, the Arabs who ruled Palestine earlier, believed they had to protect it again, who knows?

    I never said all Jews should leave Palestine. But they definitely should go back to pre 67 borders. But we all know they have illegally seized too much land already in the name of self defense to do that. Giving back land now will be a sign of weakness, yet a lone a huge compensation package will be in order.

    So the only way the Arabs will get the land back is, if the Jews continue to illegally occupy it for say another 500 years, as forces change, then they get kicked out it, then it is all history.

    EXCUSE ME I HAVE TO GO RIGHT NOW. THERE IS A BURGALAR DOWN STAIRS WITH A BIG 44 MAGNUM, WHO HAS SEIZED THE 2 LOWER FLOORS OF MY HOUSE. INSTEAD OF FIGHTING HIM, I WILL ATTEMPT TO NEGOTIATE WITH HIM AND MAKE SOOTHING SOUNDS, TO SEE IF HE WILL OFFER ME ONE HALLWAY BACK, ALONG WITH A SMALL BATHROOM WITH A ROLL OR TWO OF TOILET PAPER. AFTER ALL, BURGALARS ARE HUMAN TOO AND HAVE THE RIGHT TO MY HOUSE WHEN THEY HAVE 4$ MAGNUMS.

    Just a thought

  227. Brooklynjon,

    Learn a little about Sderot

    “Sderot was settled by Jews in 1951. In All That Remains, Walid Khalidi says that Sderot, along with the settlement of Or ha-Ner, founded in 1957, were established on the village lands of Najd, which means “elevated plain” in Arabic.

    According to Umkhalil, Najd’s Palestinian villagers, approximately 620 in 1945, were expelled on 13 May 1948, before Israel was declared a state and before any Arab armies entered Palestine. UN Resolution 194 and also the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 13, Section 2, stipulate that the villagers of Najd have a right to return home to their personal property and to their native village.

    Najd is 14 kilometres from Gaza. Palestinian Arabs own 12,669 dunums in Najd, although Israel refuses to honour their rights to their personal property, and refuses them their inalienable right to return home. In 1945 Jews owned 495 dunums of land in Najd and public lands consisted of 412 dunums.
    In short, Sderot is an illegally occupied territory stolen from Palestinians.”

  228. My bad Twosret :(
    Let’s argue later Bj after we totally get over the game loss which won’t be any time soon.

  229. Twosret – #232

    Amen to that.
    And let us hope that all parties involved will act civilized if Egypt and Algeria meet each other during African Nations Cup next year.

  230. brooklynjon says:

    Okay, I’ll keep quiet, but first I’ll say this. It may feel good to fight. Fighting may be justified. It may be righteous. All of the above. Absolutely. But fighting begets fighting. Which begets misery. And if the choice is made to fight, the same people lose the opportunity to complain about the consequences of their choice. Choices have consequences. Here’s to hoping everyone, Israeli and Palestinian, Egyptian and Algerian, makes the right choices.

    bj

  231. Twosret

    Scum of the earth am I?…, for Disrespecting mohammed and islam with a little bit of verse…. that aptitude explains why Egypt was so easily and successfully colonized by Arabs and islam. Real …Scum of the earth you, delusional woman kidnap young girls and forcibly convert them with the tacit acquiescence of muslim religious authorities and muslim government authorities like in Egypt, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. Real Scum of the earth, those who threaten another holocaust against Israelis or Copts, those committing this crime in Iraq against Chaldean Christians, Assyrians, and African Darfaris in Sudan, they are scum of the earth. The corrupt clerics of Iran, are true scum. muslim brotherhood outfit and their Wahhabi buddies … right scum. Poor poet ok, whatever? all are entitled to an opinion. I just don’t have to give a shit. do I need to contiued? sharia’s permission, following olde moe’s example, of old men taking to a marriage bed 9 year old girls, lotso’ scum…. shitty five minute verse isn’t near that deep, people who hurt kids are scum,

    poor taste, sure, verses but no where near scum. Thing is you really don’t have to have to make much up about mohammed to make him look like a …he kept slave girls as sex slaves , this is is not a moral exemplar. Islam evolves in strength and wane, as a collective organism. Right now, from external observation and adherents declarations, islam is experiencing a revival. A revival characterized by a significant increase in the power of groups advocating adherence to what is a general generally called sharia doled out by islamic priests. we got the Christians of our backs, no way are the islamic clergy going to climb up there. If these … who threaten Sandmonkey continue I’ll have a program written that will post all over poems to make a believer’s head explode, much more derogatory toward islam and mohammed’s crew than those posted before, snappy verse and moe’s provided a lot of material.

    If you leave this fella alone. I will try not to write about islamic subjects. pmh.
    far deal take it. Or you fuck with mohammed’s honor worse than any done up to now. In fact I’m learning all sorts of things about the companions of the prophet, randy crew of sand pirates. Vile stains on islam’s honor on islamic sites and others. You will be responsible,… for insults of the most poetic and
    vulgar directed at islam, and this guy will have nothing to do with it. all on you, habibi

    .

  232. uzermaatka @ 224:

    Well, BJ already answered your comment @ 226, but I’ll just pipe in regardless… :)

    Yes, at a certain point in history, the muslim empire was the most lenient society in the old world, accepting the faiths of religions other than their own within their borders. Was it an act of tolerance or was it tactics, in order to keep together a large and culturally diverse empire? Who knows, and it doesn’t really matter. The fact was it was better to be a Jew or a Christian in muslim lands around the 12th and 13th century than it was to be Jewish or Muslim in Christian lands at the same time, even though equal treatment was still far away, contrary to what many muslims proclaim.

    However, from around 1400 and certainly from the 18th century things began to change. The muslim empire began to decline and Europe experienced the renaissance, prompting an unprecedented boost to scientific and sociological study. The discrimination never really disappeared, but it certainly reached the level of the muslim empire at it’s height; that is untill the fascist movements began to tear Europe apart in the mid 20th century. However, after WWII things changed drastically and have remained so ever since. We’re seeing a slight bend towards discrimination, this time against muslims, but this tendency has much more to do with the actions of muslims living in Europe than it has to do with any racist tendencies – it’s a clash of cultures rather than a clash of colours…

    My point wasn’t to express European/Christian superiority; my point was to say “easy there, buddy – you were never angels yourself, and even though we we’re complete assholes at one point in history, that was several centuries ago”.

  233. Common Sense @ 220 (& Twos @ 227):

    Sderot is within Israeli territory as per the 1967 borders. The 1967 borders came to be out of a war that the Arabs/Muslims/Palestinians started and lost. To the victor goes the spoils. They gambled and they lost; so have countless other nations throughout history – the world would look very different today if lost wars had no consequences, particularly ones that were started by the eventual losers…

    As BJ points out, it’s vital for an eventual peace process that the Palestinians as a whole learn to accept compromises, and come to terms with the fact that they can’t get everything they want. Until they do it’s gonna be hardship upon hardship.

  234. Twos @ 227:

    I do (and I suspect BJ as well) get pissed off when I see evidence that the IDF has taken to using human shields or otherwise break the laws concerning warfare. You’ll notice that Israel gets pummeled in international press every time they do so, forcing condemnations from both the EU and the US (and the UN, but somehow I don’t think that hurts too bad…) which quite frankly can’t be nice for any democratic country. The freezing of many economic assets by the EU hasn’t been a pleasent experience either, I could imagine.

    Still, I can see their frustration at having to fight an enemy which uses those same tactics on a much, much wider scale, while hardly getting any condemnations for it, neither from the West nor from the rest of the Muslim world. Personally, I’m embarrassed by the partiality of the West, but what I cannot fathom is how the Muslim world can keep on condoning, even cheering a strategy, that is guaranteed to endanger civilian muslims…! It’s one thing that the governments/despots of the surrounding Arab nations see a personal benefit in a continuation of the war, but the broad public? The intellectuals, who should be able to look at the situation with clarity?!? It boggles my mind…

  235. Twos @ 227 again:

    “Would you say the same to the Israeli Gov.? if you can’t then don’t make such statements.”

    The Israeli government aren’t the ones getting pounded into the ground. More importantly, they’re not the ones demanding the complete destruction of their opponents – how can one make concessions toward getting annihilated? Compromise means meeting somewhere in the middle, meaning that Israel will have to abandon illegal settlements and total control of the Palestinian territories and their borders, whereas Palestine will have to accept Israel as a state, accept loosing some land compared to the 1948 plan and guarantee the integrity of the Israeli border. If the Palestinians could seriously make such an offer, the Israelis would have no choice but to comply. Presently, all Israel have to do is point at the continued intransigence of the Palestinians each time someone complains about their actions… Why not deprive them of that option?

  236. Common Sense @ 233:

    :D

    Well, it’s better than to go at him with a spoon! And considering that the burglar is your neighbour and you’ve been shooting buckshots at his house trying to make him move since the day he moved in, I’d think a parlay would be your best option… ;)

  237. Adam is funny, really. He knows a lot of well researched facts, but the problem is, they are compiled on misinformation to start off with. Like his saying the Arabs started the 67 war. Everyöe knows it was a preemtive strike by the IDF, WHICH MENS they startf it also the fact that Sderot was dthnically cleansed b4 any war. But thats irrelevant I guess.

  238. ldf started 67 in a pre emp strike. Sfrot was ethnically cleansed b4 48. Get ur facts straiit. U have no case. Just sobs 4 holocaust & a lot of nukes.

  239. brooklynjon,

    Today Israel is big and can fight against no army from the Palestinian side,tomorrow Israel might not be the same so if you get crushed don’t forget that it was your choice this time. Don’t cry foul you are doing the same to Palestinians like what Hitler did to you. Hitler is gone,Russia is gone,berlin wall is gone and your turn will come.You do not learn from history.

  240. Adam,

    I will not turn this topic to Palestinian-Israel topic. This topic is about Egypt.

  241. Common Sense says:

    Tworset,

    Yes it is about Egypt. But when one finally makes some ground regarding the Arab Israeli topic, you want to shift the subject. The pro Arab argument has totally destroyed the pro zionist argument here. Yet you want to talk about Egypt?

    Don’t you know the whole Egypt Algeria row is over Orascom refusing to sell its shares to ButtAfucko who already owns 40% of deJazzy Algeria, which is an Orascom subsidiary. The criminal Algerians are trying to make Egypt pack up its interests in Algeria by dropping the price of the shares, with the help of Qatar. The amir visited there Nov 4, 9 days before the Nov 14 match. They knew they could exploit the poor football fans and it so far is working. The Mubarak regime is thinking of a response right now. It should be a devestating one.

    But you are right, there is no Palestinian Israel topic anymore. We are just waiting for it to fall like the Berlin wall & south Africa.

  242. brooklynjon says:

    Not continuing the discussion (not to be confused with having been convinced of the incorrectness of my beliefs) out of respect for Twosret. Just want to say, privately to Adam that I couldn’t say it better than you did in 242 and 243.

    bj

  243. brooklynjon says:

    Um, and Algeria Sucks!

  244. Common Sense says:

    @ bj,

    Saying” “I couldn’t say it better than you did in 242 and 243.” Of course you couldn’t. Both sets of your facts are completely erroneous mate. What do you not understand about theft and illegal cleansing? Sderot my friend was ethnically cleansed way before there was any war. It is a fact. The six day was was started by the IDF as a preemptive strike. So please continue to praise whomever you will. Like “lol” said, you really have no case. That’s like debating whether it is right to eat with chew with your mouth full or not, when the damn meal it self is stolen hehehe.

    Anyways, nobody expects your conscience to just suddenly wake up and sell out your people.

  245. Ok, then,
    Mashrebtesh men nilha, garabt teghanelha….

  246. lol @ 245:

    Attacking a foe with whom you HAVE NOT signed a peace treaty with since ’48 (only a cease-fire agreement), and who is presently amassing vast armies on your borders does not constitute a declaration of war – it’s a preemptive strike against a foe whom you are de facto at war with; coincidentally the enemy that STARTED the war in the first place…

  247. Twos @ 248:

    True.

  248. lol @ 246:

    Actually, Sderot didn’t exist before 1951.

    It seems a small Arab village, Najd, lay there before, but the inhabitants were evicted by Hagana in the anticipation of an Egyptian attack once the UN had voted for an Israeli state. As it turned out, Hagana was right, and their action deprived the Egyptian army of a base of operations right across the border. In war, civilians are often, unfortunately, the first to suffer – this is nothing new and nothing particular to the Jews. Unlike similar occurrences throughout history, none of the villagers were actually harmed in the process, although they did lose their land. Again, such is war, and had not the neighbours of Israel made little doubt about their hostile intent against a possible Jewish state, this occurrence would probably never have happened.

  249. Common Sense @ 249:

    :D

    Common Sense, it seems you have very little of it… ;)

  250. @Adam B. 257,

    Just remember that you are starting the 2 years old bullying and being a troll so you won’t accuse others of being childish.

    Common Sense,

    Bj, and Adam B., have been arguing their views with us for years and nothing will change their mind obviously every topic is the same over and over.

    bj,

    I thought you said you will be quiet

    Hany,

    Maa’lesh assli el yomeen dool mabafakersh gheir fee masr merat abo eldonya.

    Kol sana we entom taybeen

  251. Twos, you think I was too hard on the kid? Come on, he does the usual “our arguments are, like, totally destroying them!” while having only come up with the usual complaints with precious little effort to explain, discuss or even recognize the hostile actions of the Arab/Muslim side of the conflict. Take this, and his silly football-conspiracy-theory, and what else is there to do than have a laugh at his expense…? :D

  252. Twos, we may have been arguing the same views for years; so have you peeps…

    The thing is, there is very little recognition of fault on your part. It all boils down to “them” being Jews and “you” being Arabs. No matter how many times we say “but every Israeli attack is always preceded by a Palestinian ditto” or “It’s very difficult to sit down and talk peace with an adversary who demands your destruction” or “Yes, the Arabs have less land now than in 48; that’s what happens when you start a war and lose”, we never get a good counter-argument – we always end up with swearwords and cries of baby-killer… That’s neither productive nor mature, and it certainly won’t make us change our minds in any way.

  253. Common Sense says:

    Yes Tworset ,I got that impression from bj and Adam. No need to explain anything. No use calling it debating either.

    Its self evident how Adam laughs at himself and addresses himself as if he were responding with intelligence or something, when in fact all he is doing is being a knuckle dragger :D

    He is seriously out of the league of rational comprehension as he is to far predisposed. He just admitted that Haggana removed Arabs from Najd, never to return again, affirming it was stolen, sugar coating it by saying innocents suffer during violence. Then with no intellectual basis what so ever, claims it wasn’t stolen at all :D

    What a spoof.

    2 yr old troll doesn’t even start to cut it. He can’t be human, he must be an automated program or something :D

  254. Common Sense says:

    OMG what a dumb ass

    “the Arabs have less land now than in 48″

    Najd’s Palestinian villagers, approximately 620 in 1945, were expelled on 13 May 1948, before Israel was declared a state and before any Arab armies entered Palestine. UN Resolution 194 and also the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 13, Section 2, stipulate that the villagers of Najd have a right to return home to their personal property and to their native village.

    What a complete dumb as Adam is.

    We need troll prevention software here really quick.

  255. Sandmonkey the prophet insultor joins forces with Caneron, the douchebag from hell, in insulting Islam & Arabs.. Threatening to spread more degenerative narritive if their toes are not licked.

    Response: EAT A DICK CAMERON YOU BIOTCH

    For more authenticity regarding the pictures of the Egyptian Sandmonkey – Mahmoud Salem, a quick Google image search for “Egypt blogs America.” will direct you to this page. (Notice the female in the picture about half way down the entire page)

    http://eurekadejavu.blogspot.com/2008_11_01_archive.html

    This same girl, (probably from Enigma magazine), is also pictured below, with Mahmoud Salem – the Sandmonkey – Prophet insulter.

    http://s960.photobucket.com/albums/ae88/CraigMacWillDoThingsLikeThat/?action=view&current=HeyImthefatracistemotionallydeprive.jpg

    Note he is wearing the same blue shirt that he was first exposed in.

    http://s960.photobucket.com/albums/ae88/CraigMacWillDoThingsLikeThat/?action=view&current=HoHoHoIamFatVeryUnattractive-1.jpg

    It doesn’t take a genius, as everyone can remember, Sandmonkey informed his readers that he was going to participate in the “Egypt Blogs America” project to cover the elections (which turned out to be historic).

  256. brooklynjon says:

    Two,

    “I thought you said you will be quiet.”

    I was and am. I just have no way to communicate privately with Adam B, otherwise I would have. Just as I am sitting here having my points completely missed, and not responding.

    Algeria Sucks.

    bj

  257. Common Sense,

    I heard the same thing. Naguib Sawiris refusing to sell Mobinil to France Telecom that the Algerian president is a shareholder in, as well as owning 40% of Orascom Algeria, not to mention his shares in Orascom Egypts Mobinil. Yes the president of Algeria will benefit from Orascom Algeria selling cheap. Considering military planes were used to transport thigs to Sudan, it all makes sense now.

    bj,

    Now one misses your points. You jut fail to see that your points are valid only if you live in an alternate universe. You can’t eradicate a people with hired thugs like haggana, outside of a newly formed state, then expect to connect all these settlements together, both legal illegal, expecting no retaliation. But that was the plan all along wasn’t it, to claim you won the wars fair & square that rogue elements (haggana, Irgun, etc.) started, then disassociate yourself with them and try and make it look like the Arabs started it. Later hailing the haggana lynch mob as hero’s in modern day Israel. it doesn’t get much more hypocritical then that buddy.

    So there will be pain and death for decades to come God willing until the tables turn.

    Adam,

    Please spare yourself the usual copy paste analysis, talking to your self, building solid facts on match sticks. You will be ignored. No doubt to you I am Mac, DWDS, Mohamed, , Twosret, Fadi, Hani, Sand, uzbekistan, Common Sense, Hani, darth Vader and your mother all in one.

    tsk tsk tsk, don’t do it..Your brain was telling you to copy paste this wasn’t it, and make an arse of yourself, wasn’t it?

    What past time warrior you are, NOT :D

  258. Joined forces little old me, I’ve never even talked to the dude, mac moron.

    If insults to your degenerate false prophet, hurt your feeling, you just sparked a book worth, worm. Thanks for demonstrating muzzie resolve and typical intransigent attitude, I am constantly amazed at Israeli patience in dealing with Arabs. They have Huge justification, if they ever decide to start carpet bombing Gaza and the Westbank, like the Syrians did to the city, Hama As the Palestinians are as intransigent as you, try and give them a fair deal, and they turn their noses up at it. Have arabs(no, just since islam) always been like that, or is it the current crop they refuse the a generous offer, end up losing more and more. Then bleat about it like retarded goats. Tell you what little bitch, stumble across any of my verse about old moe and crew, remember that they are all dedicated to you, in fact would never be written if not for your glorious contribution. Typical muzzie, can’t get the writer go after an innocent. Thank you for demonstrating the true nature of islam, and believing muslims for all.

  259. brooklynjon says:

    Hesham,

    I’d love to respond to you, but Twosret won’t let me.

    bj

  260. Maybe this will help turning the topic into something about Egypt:

    Could any of you egyptians out there help me with the basics on how to make tameya (sp?) with fava beans?

    An old friend once showed me the way to make them, but I never got the actual recipe.

  261. HEY CAMERON-FIDDLE DICK.

    Haven’t you already noticed that your subversive infatuation with Muslims, which keeps you up at night foaming at the mouth, is the biggest victory of all in itself? Typical cowardly behavior of a molested acne fighting adolescent misfit. The pinnacle definition of a degenerative dirt bag-grease ball, hiding behind his keyboard, in between masturbation sessions.

    What a brilliantly racist ignoramus piece of shit you are. It is not fair that Craig, tedders & Adam B. spend years trolling this website, then you pop up all of a sudden un announced and steal the cake from them. But one must give credit where credit is due.

    Plus the Israeli’s can’t bomb the West Bank you inverted butt pube. Because they occupy too much of it already :D get a life. will you. Getting rid of Gaza would mean no more weaponry and hence no more transgression. Therefore no more being Jewish, which goes against Judaism. You know the Judaism I am talking about right? The one in your fake ass bible which isn’t fit to wipe my ass with because of too much pedophile preacher cum on it.

    You know the one, which belonged to your beloved reverend foreskin, right? In which a certain apostle or two followed the biblical example of Kind Herod and King David, taking numerous child brides before ol’ Mohamed did. Don’t hate on good ol’ Mohamed because he out did those demagogue’s and had more bling then they did :D

    It is pretty funny when a Muslim says something derogatory, then racist pigs like yourself, are quick to point out, Islam does not teach that, Islam teaches you to be pious and upright. Ha Ha, I mean how darling is that huh? Like I said, don’t hate, just because you posses not even a minuscule of self worth or uprightness, to be able to tolerate scum of the earth like yourself, the way Muslims do.

    So every time you cross your heart you fag, remember reverend foreskin diddling you as a child. Hoping Jesus would get down from that cross the Jews put him on, coming down and dismounting father foreskin from your sodomized butt hole. Ouch!

    If there world was ever had, Judaism and Christianity are the culprits.

    The culmination of all your perverted poetic ability could not phase a single Muslim hair. Except if you were to step up to the plate and say it in their face. But of course doing that, being the coward that you are, would be contrary to your venting the fact that you understandably have no self control over your emotions, after father Skinner sodomized you.

  262. Common Sense @ 261:

    Way to go – as usual, no argument to support your case, just mindless, derogatory drivel…

    Thank you for proving my point. :)

    @ 262:

    Did you actually read what I wrote? The Jews were (rightly!) expecting an Arab attack in lieu of a UN vote for an Israeli state. Unfair to the innocent (?) civilians living in Najd (congrats, you picked on up my observation of your faulty history research – you’re welcome!) perhaps, but such is war. If the neighbouring countries had not had any hostile intent, this would never have happened… But I take it this is to much of a logical leap for you?

    UN Resolution 194? A few points:

    - It can hardly be argued that any returning refugees will likely become peaceful Israeli citizens (a condition of the resolution), seeing as how the democratically elected Palestinian leadership(s) have a policy of continued hostility. The security risk would be enormous.
    - If the UN resolutions are to be adhered to, where is the Arab/Palestinian acceptance of an Israeli state? Surely, these resolutions must be respected by BOTH parties?
    - Resolution 194 also demands direct UN control over Jerusalem. This, I take it, can be ignored freely by all sides? Funny how inconvenient matters carry no weight…
    - If Israel is to welcome back refugee Arabs and restore their property or compensate them, the surrounding Arab nations are obliged to do likewise to the 800.000 Jewish refugees as well. In fact, let’s make an assessment of property stolen from Jews by Arabs through history, and let’s see how much they are due. Except, history isn’t interesting unless it favours the Arabs, right?

    “What a complete dumb as Adam is.” – You were no star spelling bee contender, I take it?

    “We need troll prevention software here really quick” – Oh, yeah…! :D

    But back to civility; let’s hear your arguments towards my points above – if you can find any circumvention to these, I’d be very happy to hear it!

  263. Mac Daddio aka Mac aka DWDS aka ….ad nauseam @ 263:

    You’re welcome to your tirades – free speech, after all – but they hardly do you or your cause any favours. Why don’t you try to counter insults with arguments instead of responding in kind?

    I checked out your first link – it had precious little to do with Sam, unless you claim that’s he’s a girl called Victoria Hazou or James Glassman! The other links, well they’re just your own pics and trash-talk… I don’t know who you think you’re impressing with your non-proof? Even if that dude is Sam, so what? We certainly don’t give a crap…

    It really is rather pathetic. :/

  264. Hesham @ 265:

    You fail to view history from more than one side… We’re not arguing that Irgun and Hagana carried out brutal and often un-called for actions against local Arabs. However, the hostilities went both ways, and from the Arab perspective it had more to do with getting rid of the Jews versus the Jews trying to stay alive. As you (hopefully) know, the founding of Hagana was a direct response to Arab violence in the 1920′s. In the early riots, by the way, nearly all Arabs killed were by the hand of the british authorities, not the Jews. Not to mention the Arab revolt during the 30′s… Again, these caused the formation of Irgun, a Jewish minority choosing retaliation rather than restraint. Maybe not something to rejoice over, but there was a cause for their creation, and that cause was Arab hostility and violence… It didn’t help much that the Arabs chose to side with the Nazis during WW2!

    Now that we’re through with the history lesson, let’s look at your response…

    Wow, not a shred of argument! An accusation of “copy/paste”… Please, could you point out where I’m copy/pasting anything? Except when quoting you guys, of course. It really is sad to see someone with no argument resort to a fit of infantile pique. You can dislike my conclusions as much as you like, but have some dignity, for crying out loud, and at least try to put up an argument as to why you disagree!

    By the way, what’s a “past time warrior”?

  265. @ 269:

    Hey, a new alias for the Sand Ape…!

    Those numerous swearwords, those misplaced derogatory terms, that fondness for the words “foaming” and “masturbation”, all coupled with a complete lack of argument or even sensible meaning… It’s a sure bet! :D

    Ah, yes – those accusations of racism, while you yourself provide gems like “and hence no more transgression. Therefore no more being Jewish, which goes against Judaism”. Not that the sentence actually makes sense – is it going against Judaism to be Jewish?!? – but we kinda get what you’re trying to say.

    Ah, yes – those complaints of lack of religious respect, while you yourself feel free to say “your fake ass bible which isn’t fit to wipe my ass with because of too much pedophile preacher cum on it”

    Oh, yes – muslims are allowed to be as derogatory as they like, ’cause… Well, they just are!

    Yup, homosexuality is a swearword… “you fag”

    …and the usual complete nonsense: “If there world was ever had, Judaism and Christianity are the culprits.” WTF? What are you trying to say, little man? :D

    And finally, the all time favorite self-contradiction: “The culmination of all your perverted poetic ability could not phase a single Muslim hair”. Ha, ha! Oh, you’re not FAZED by his rhetoric, obviously! You’ve typed these 20 odd lines of bile for no reason at all…! :P

  266. Adam B – I’m quite sure that wasn’t the recipe.

  267. Please Allow 'Me' says:

    Adam B. copy pasting in the usual fashion I see, still calling the kettle black when your facts are pretty much over the hill. The majority of posters don’t respond to your comments, but I will try out of good faith to do so.

    You said “It can hardly be argued that any returning refugees will likely become peaceful Israeli citizens (a condition of the resolution).”

    Did you just say Israeli citizens lol. They are allowed to return, with their own autonomy. Besides, the resolution was never followed in the first place, so there. Why not allow their return and just do another filthy occupation like the IDF parasites are doing in the West Bank?

    Next, about the links mac left to expose Mahmouds likeness. The first is to an article on the net about “Egypt blogs America,” (which sandmonkey was kind enough to tell his readers about, before embarking on) Containing the picture of female participant sitting at a pc, wearing a white shirt. Since thus far, all the pictures of Sandmonkey Mahmoud Salem are from the net. Another picture of the same exact girl in the article, is then pictured in a group photo with the same Blue Sandmonkey. Not that hard to follow really. But then again, its enough everyone know his real name now, yet alone likeness. Leave it to the locals in Egyptian, both foreign and Egyptian.

    Now @ the faulty logic here
    “We’re not arguing that Irgun and Hagana carried out brutal and often un-called for actions against local Arabs. However, the hostilities went both ways.”

    Yes the rule of law belonged to the British back then and the irgun and haggana were considered outlaw terrorists none the less, no different than Palestinian lynch mobs. Remember your arguments about statehood and there being a boss, which the British were. So your point please..??

    Now @ “Hey, a new alias for the Sand Ape…!”

    Notice the assumption powered structure of all your rants, with no solid factual evidence? Who makes you the authority on FBI profiling and your opinions to be the correct ones? Now you will excuse me if I see this as rather infantile myself.

    And this..”Therefore no more being Jewish, which goes against Judaism.”

    Notice how you childishly reword the phrase by asking a nonsensical question “is it going against Judaism to be Jewish?!?” It is going against Judaism not to be Jewish is obviously what he means. If you had a relgion then you would know that the Bible and the Koran are filled with storiess on how the Jews continually transgressed through out the ages and most probably will continue to do so. God didn’t give over 600 commandments to make their lives easy. he did it as retribution.

  268. Well, I can’t believe anyone still responds to Adam B in the first place. When U give him facts, he will say your source are tainted. If you point out ad hominem attacks, he will call you sand ape in disguise. If you use the words foam at he mouth, he will accuse you of sand ape’s copyright infringement. If you point out that he just confirmed what you initially said, he will pause with a dumb look on his face.

    Just like this video from the Freddy Rense sight. People deny that the house Rothschild is even Jewish and pro Zionist or that he helped start the second world war. Dismissing it all as conspiracy theorist wet dream’s lol.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsJSVtH3-Sc&feature=player_embedded#

  269. Hello Marianne,

    Here is a link ;-) Skinned white broad beans is skinless fava beans and I would use less garlic (6 instead of 10) and I don’t use dill but you can try the recipe as is and see. You can freeze the Ta’miaa batter

    http://members.cox.net/ahmedheissa/recfalafel.htm

    This site is created by an Egyptian Engineer you will find his recipes as close to Egyptian recipes as it gets. Let me know if you have any questions

    Good luck!

  270. Thank you, Twosret – I will give it a try.

  271. brooklynjon says:

    “God didn’t give over 600 commandments to make their lives easy. he did it as retribution.”

    To paraphrase King Arthur from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, “This new Torah scholarship amazes me!” :-)

    bj

  272. brooklynjon says:

    Marianne,

    Or you can go to Adelman’s on Kings Highway in Brooklyn, a kosher deli whose proprietor, Mohammed, cranks out authentic Egyptian felafel/ta’amiya.

    bj

  273. listening to arabs twats or their apologists(edward said academic minions) crying racism in any circumstance is just fucking funny to me. Like being lectured on the evils of colonialism in Egypt, by a mufti, in arabic which isn,t the indigenous language of Egypt, Here is a new slogan for the tourist board, “Come to the land of the pharohs, we got assfucked by the arabs so hard we now think of ourselves …as arab and follow their religion. Here is a news flash for muslim readers living in north Africa. Do you know why the Europeans colonized your sorry asses in the first place? Hundreds of years of fucking slave raiding, justified by moehammedeans through reference to that Greatest scamjob in history, the koran. Most muzzie don’t even seem aware that their “scholarly class, the Uemma, have evolved into priests, then again centuries of ignoring facts for faith are bound to make the vast, vast majority of believers a little …..ssslllooowww.

    Seems to be a world wide phenomena muzzies colonize then whine when it happens to them, insult the religions of others then try and have the UN create some sort of mandate for blasphemy laws in the 21st century to protect islam’s honor. if the islamic societies weren’t so sad, really very sad, they would be a steady stream of farce and comedy for the rest of the planet.

    To the deficient little fellow I’ve playin’ with here, post the name of the mosque you raise your ass at(head down ass up topray), I will send some really fucking nasty ones(poems) maybe about moehammend’s rape of Aisha on their wedding night, you know him 50-something and she what 9.
    Anyways I will send them to your mosque and you and you wannabe jihadi buddies can have a good angry wank over them, then you can go back to your regular passtimes of giving each other groinal massages with your mouths, in between reading particularly beautiful koranic passages, and looking for un-burrka-ed little girls to circumcise. Third worlders love to accuse those of European descend of racism, while racistly assuming that we are all Jewish or Christain, hilarious ignorant fucktards all

  274. Sand Ape alias ad nauseum @ 275:

    Like I said before, please explain exactly where I’m copy/pasting, except of course when I quote one of your outpourings, and demonstrate how little sense it makes…

    “Did you just say Israeli citizens lol”

    Yes, I said Israeli citizens – if they want to live permanently in Israel, they’ll obviously have to acknowledge a citizenship. Otherwise, they’re just gonna be foreigners with the limited rights that brings with it. Many countries do not allow foreigners to own real estate, for example, so they wouldn’t be able to own the land that you’re referring to…

    “They are allowed to return, with their own autonomy.”

    No. Or rather, they could, but with limited rights – what good would that do them?

    “Besides, the resolution was never followed in the first place, so there.”

    Correct. By the Arabs, mostly, as described in my earlier post…

    “Another picture of the same exact girl in the article, is then pictured in a group photo with the same Blue Sandmonkey. Not that hard to follow really”

    No. A girl, who looks somewhat like the first, posing with a guy in a blue shirt, who YOU claim to be Sam…

    Pseudo-proof, which doesn’t prove the slightest thing.

    And again, even if that was Sam, so what…? None on this blog cares much one way or the other…

    “So your point please..??”

    My point, as plainly stated in my previous post, is that you are constantly wailing about Irgun and Hagana violence, while conveniently ignoring Arab ditto – Arab violence that, coincidentally, sparked the formation of said groups!

    “no solid factual evidence?”

    Hey, I provided a pretty comprehensive list of similarities… I may be wrong, but that would just demonstrate how you guys are mental clones, droning the same babble without using your braincells…

    “Notice how you childishly reword the phrase”

    :D

    That was a copy/paste, you moron! Jeez, at least check your quotes…! If you’re having trouble with the meaning of your own sentences, learn proper grammar.

  275. Sand Ape alias ad nauseum @ 276:

    “I can’t believe anyone still responds to Adam B”

    Neither can I, seeing as how no one will provide proper arguments for their view, but resign themselves to childish rants… :D

    “When U give him facts…”

    …he shows you how your “facts” are nowhere near facts, or are presented completely without context, sparking another bout of pitiful whining.

    Anyway, congrats with another meaningless post with no attempt at proper argument whatsoever – you’re really making it too easy! :)

  276. Well, not every Egyptian thinks of themselves as an ‘Arab’ – actually not by a long shot.

    There are more than some of us – and as the Arab farce continues to unravel the numbers increase – that recognize Egyptians have nothing to do with with their turbaned bedouin neighbors to the east.

    Really. What good is Saudi Arabia? They produce 2 things – oil and wahabbism. Period. And Egypt has been their number one consumer of the latter the last several decades.

    This entire idea of some magical homogenized Arab world is a sad sad legacy of Nasser one of the most destructive and pathetic leaders in Egypt’s history of which Egypt has had many.

  277. Adam with all do respect, I would like to keep the debate on going, but you must display at least a modicum of the same courtesy. Foremost, any future comments addressing me that start off with the words Sand Ape, I will not read. Agreed?

    Addressing your mistakes below,

    @ Yes, I said Israeli citizens – if they want to live permanently in Israel

    No they don’t want to live in Israel, they want to live in their own town without Israel usurping it for whatever reason. I don’t know how you came to that conclusion, considering that land was not considered Israel back then, as it was outside the 1948 borders. Provide proof, links to Un charters, not Wiki,, or please shut up.

    @ That was a copy/paste, you moron! Jeez, at least check your quotes…!

    No perhaps you should. Actually I will make it simple for you. Here is the entire paragraph. Show me anywhere where it says;

    “is it going against Judaism to be Jewish?!?”

    See, you are wrong again. You did rephrase the sentence by making a mockery out of it.

    @ you are constantly wailing about Irgun and Hagana violence, while conveniently ignoring Arab ditto – Arab violence that, coincidentally, sparked the formation of said groups!

    No, Irgun where terrorists under all forms of International law. Anyone who agrees with this is complicit.

    These three points are enough.

  278. YOU are COMPLICIT by Nature Adam.

  279. Sand Ape alias ad nauseam @ 286:

    Really? Complicit in what? The word can’t really stand alone…

  280. LOL! :D

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8377211.stm

    Gaddafi… The great mediator!

    If I were in your shoes, I’d “respectfully” decline… ;)

  281. Mr. Sand Ape alias ad nauseam @ 285:

    Didn’t even notice your post @ 285…

    Well, considering you haven’t posted any comments before this one (under this name), how can you start with the words “Foremost, any future comments addressing me that start off with the words Sand Ape”? I mean, supposing this really is your first post and not another in an endless line of aliases, why are you even concerned about being mistaken for Sand Ape? :D

    Right, let’s look at your arguments…

    “No they don’t want to live in Israel, ”

    If they wanna live in Sderot, they’re gonna be living in Israel, as per the 1967 borders. The 1948 borders were of course nullified the moment the Arabs decided NOT TO ACCEPT the UN proposal (and it’s borders), and attacked Israel. You can’t have your cake and eat it as well…

    “Show me anywhere where it says;”

    Well, that wasn’t what you were referring to in your sentence. It may have been what you meant, but once again your poor grammar skills make it hard to understand what you’re talking about. As it stands, I read your words the way they were written, and commented on them as they were presented – if that’s not what you mean, please endeavor to express yourself more clearly in the future.

    “No, Irgun where terrorists under all forms of International law. Anyone who agrees with this is complicit.”

    What are you saying no to? Your conclusion has nothing to do with your quote… But let me reflect on your comment: Anyone who agrees that Irgun were terrorists are complicit? I take it YOU see Irgun as terrorists, which makes YOU complicit by your own argument. Huh?!? Whatever… I see Irgun as terrorists, sure, but I also see the groups of hostile Arabs as terrorists, and considering that the violence committed by the Arabs was the direct cause for the formation of Irgun, I’d say they reaped as they had sown.

  282. My mistake, you are right, I stand corrected. Sderot was not part of the pre 67 borders.

    But if anything, it was justifiably occupied by migrating Jews because they didn’t have enough land to start off with in the first place. Plus they knew the Arabs didn’t like them very much & MIGHT start war one day, so they rightfully started one first which was the right choice, as they ended up winning.

    What are you going to do about it anyways, throw rock and bottle rockets or keep blowing yourselves up? I suggest you just come to terms with the fact that you have been kicked off your land, just as Jews were hundreds of years ago. If you keep fighting back, we will kill more of your children. It is as simple as that so stop it already.

  283. Fake @ 290:

    Don’t you feel a little pathetic, pulling off an infantile stunt like that? Do you honestly feel it’s going to make what you say seem any more right or any more convincing?

    Oh well, your lack of arguments and subsequent need to resort to petty harassments like this only further displays the nature of your derailed mind, and as a consequence supports my conclusions… Maybe I should thank you for showing your true colours? :D

  284. Egypeter,

    President Sadat thinks different :-)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OliyahACbXg

  285. Adam B. @ 288

    You are really becoming very annoying. Seriously! stop it! Go to your room now! lol

  286. why arent we bashing algeria anymore?

    ps koil sana wento tayebeen. Im looking forward to fatta and besara dotn ask me how they go together!!!

  287. #280 – brooklynjon

    Thanks – It isn’t exactely my closest neighbourhood, but I will keep it in mind.

  288. @ Myself,

    Ok maybe I was too hard on the Pro Arabs here.

    After all, you guys have heard me say numerous times, that Israel is far from perfect. But I get flustered when you guy’s don’t admit that Arab’s aren’t perfect either, and don’t give me credit for good points that I make. Nobody ever acknowledges my good points. Which makes dialogue impossible, and is also very infantile, because i end up talking to myself. Therefore I sometimes respond with infantile tactics also, such as intentionally misinterpreting & misquoting what you say, in order to match the level of infantileness.

    Ok Tworest, i will go to my room now.

  289. twosret – Sadat was only slightly and I mean very slightly better than Nasser.

    In terms of christian/islamic relations he nearly brought the country to civil war. The priest of my church was imprisoned with the Pope under Sadat. For the terrible and horrible crime of being a christian.

  290. Twos @ 293:

    What? Here I am, trying to get back on topic, and I get slapped over the wrist?! :D

    Seriously, your two nations DO NOT need advice or mediation from the likes of Gaddafi! Surely you can come to terms on your own?

  291. Faker @ 296:

    Thank you for once again exposing your own inadequacies! :)

  292. #300 Happy Thanksgiving!

  293. brooklynjon says:

    Algeria Sucks. Happy Thanksgiving.

    bj

  294. brooklynjon says:

    Marianne,

    I see, based on the extra U you put into “neighborhood”, that you are probably not so close to Brooklyn. Too bad. But if you ever do come, you are welcome to join out periodic sushi and gluten-free beer soirees.

    bj

    P.S. Did I mention that Algeria Sucks? :-)

  295. Caught in the act, Brroklynjoon!

    No; not so close. And English isn’t my native language, either.

    Gluten-free beer sounds … interesting :-)

  296. Marianne,

    Don’t count on it, he has been offering this weird beer for 4 years on this blog and sushi soirees and we haven’t seen anything yet.

    He is bluffing!

  297. brooklynjon says:

    Grrrrrrrrrr

  298. regarding the ‘pelting’ incident of the algerian team upon arrival..let’s study the facts for a bit and forget about the eye witnesses because ofcourse they are egyptians and could be “lying”

    1- the distance from the airport’s terminal2 to the hotel is about 3 km away (5 minute trip on average) a very short distance. the hotel itself lies within the ‘airport’s compound’ and technically right infront of terminal3. anyone who have visited cairo will tell you there are so many police and security personnel around that area(airport)that it’s virtually impossible for an attacker to just stand there and not be caught or seen.

    2- the road from terminal2 to the airport was littered with algerian fans and some journalists(mostly algerian), if you watch the canal+ footage..with the commentary on the attack, you will see the fans chanting for the team ’1 2 3 viva l’algerie’..is it possible that an egyptian fan(or fans) within that crowd can throw stones and not be caught or even seen..there’s not a single eyewitness to the incident,,check all the tv channels that have reported the news they all say one thing “algerian team was pelted etc”, the very first report on tv5 said ‘claims from the algerian teams that their coach was pelted”..have we heard anything like “an eyewitness has also cnpnfirmed..”? no..have we heard one of those reporters along the road confirm the incident?

    3- the video showing the attack in progress: all windows on that coach were leaning outwards. any car expert will tell you that vehicle windows that are normally triple layered to avoid shattering will lean according to the direction of the blow. i.e. a stone thrown from the outside will make the window pane lean to the inside and vice versa..check the video filmed by the algerians.. all the windows lean to the outside.

    4- in that same video, while the person was filming we hear sudden blows and screaming..the ‘filmer’ apparenlty ducks to protect himself while we hear the disturbing blows and screaming..but for a second the camera is titled upwards and we see a view of the road outside and surprisingly it’s empty..not a single standerby (you can watch that bit on youtube or canal+ in slow motion).. who is throwing the stones cause all that panic when there’s no one out there?

    5- on arrival to the hotel (also filmed by the team members) there isn’t a single footage showing an injured player or bloody anywhere whether when they were getting off the coach or on entering the hotel’s lobby. however one of the players shows us the bricks or rather huge rocks used in the attack (take note of their size)

    6 – later on, after the team has arrived and settled in their rooms, still images and a short video emerge showing the 3 supposedly injured players. first player with blood streams on the forehead and running across his face, player# 2 injured at the back of his head..again with the blood streams, player#3 apparently has a bruise on his left arm. we can see the blood but there’s no sign of a cut anywhere. i’d appreciate if a doctor would look at the “wounds” and tell us exactly where are the cuts?

    7 – all three players have impeccable clean white shirts without a single blood stain..is that possible especially for the first 2 players injured in their heads? anyone who has seen a head injury or cut knows how blood gushes out that your clothes must get stained..atleast the shirt..if you don’t know how a person’s shirt looks like after a head injury..do a simple search on youtube or something.

    8 – let’s go back to the first video when one of the players displays the stones or rocks..look at their size..now please tell me if someone got struck with such a stone/brick/rock(there are 3 different statements regarding that ammo)..will that person merely get a cut, i’d say if i got hit by such a stone, i’d be lucky if i just get a concussion or a comma for a couple of days.

    9 – the egyptian authorities along with the FIFA ask the guys to seek professional help..to asses the wounds and for proper treatment (afterall those are wounds from massive rock thingies)..the algerian team declines. normally even a small cut from a stone would require stitches.

    10 – the #1 and #2 players with the head injuries appear at the match, one with a small bandage on his forehead..and the other one (baldy) with another bandage covering his head..understandable, those guys have suffered severe injuries from rocks..but 4 days later, they appear in sudan without the bandages and without a sign of any wounds, not even a scar..in just 4 days their wounds have miraculously healed.. PRAISE JESUS.

    furthermore..the alleged deaths of algerian supporters in cairo who later reappeared in khartoum in perfect health just proves how far they are willing to go(lie) for a lousy qualifier that neither team would actually win the first round in the world cup. algerians have an inferiority complex.. not towards egyptians per se but towards all the other arabs. they don’t have much to offer to the International community so when they have a chance to play in the world cup, make international headlines and finally get noticed by the rest of the world; they simply become insane.

    i don’t support either fans.. i’m not even that big a football fan but i just like everybody to use their heads and THINK before believing everything they hear or see on the telly

  299. whocares,

    Great post, I have asked SM to post a detailed updates with links to videos and evidence of the Algerian team and fan aggression against Egyptians. Hopefully he will do a new post soon.

  300. sandfuck you dirty slut i hope you rot in hell!?!?!?!?!?

    sounds like you have ‘phallic issues’ you tiny dick fuck……i know someone who knows about that pencil of yours!!!!!!!——you ugly ass fuck!

    even the swiss think the referendum was racist!

  301. Adam,

    “Nobody ever acknowledges my good points. ”

    I do Adam, and others here do to, your points are well made, based on verifiable-historical fact, rational and follow a norm of debate. You are debating facts with people who are knowingly or not caught up in emotional political propaganda disguised as fact. The fact that they resort to ad hominem and straw man tactics instead of debating facts prove they don’t have the intellectual or moral high ground. Posting fake links in your name of all things, desperate, pathetic and useless attempts to sway opinion, don’t think that the 99.9% of readers here don’t see and understand that. The same attacks will fall on me as soon as they read this!!

    Twos,

    “Don’t count on it, he has been offering this weird beer for 4 years on this blog and sushi soirees and we haven’t seen anything yet.”

    I’ll have to stand up for bj’s honor here!! I and my beautiful wife have both enjoyed the weird beer and sushi with bj!! (you know it too!! LOL!!) He is in fact not bluffing as you claim!! ;)

    Happy belated Eid ul-Adha and Thanksgiving to all here!!

  302. ted @ 309:

    Just to make absolutely sure – that’s not my whining there… That’s still Mac/DWDS/Sand Ape doing the only thing he can; resorting to fake messages in a rather sad attempt to ridicule me when his own wit and logic fails! :D

  303. LOL!! They got me on that one Adam!! Didn’t really sound representative of you now that I think about it!! I still stand by what I said!! ;)

  304. tedders,

    You silly man, you said

    “You are debating facts with people who are knowingly or not caught up in emotional political propaganda disguised as fact.”

    NOT?? Caught Up?
    Where you up late again, benevolent one lol :)

  305. Adam what a silly orifice you are.

    Your conclusions are infantile & lame as tedders are, at best that is.

    For example, your pitiful & inconclusive child tantrum based arguments, based on nothing more then sheer speculation & not on facts, such as this one.

    “that’s not my whining there… That’s still Mac/DWDS/Sand Ape”

    All you got going for you is a gofer like hatred for Arabs, that’s why you are tedders butt buddy, nothing more & nothing less. As if one would try and sway opinion on a blog that clearly states it is anti Arab & pro Zionist. Get a life already.

    How morally weak of you to not be able to fight

  306. brooklynjon says:

    tedd,

    Welcome back!

    Algeria sucks.

    bj

  307. Panti-Semite says:

    BLAME IT ON THE MUSLIMS OF COURSE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5W_aRhU6WA&feature=sub

  308. Random faker @ 312:

    It must be getting tiring, even for a simpleton like you…?

  309. Hesham @ 313:

    Another brilliant reposte from Hesham, demonstrating what a fantastic debater he really is!

    “silly orifice”

    A silly opening? Where do you come up with descriptions like that? :D

    “For example, your pitiful & inconclusive child tantrum based arguments, based on nothing more then sheer speculation & not on facts, such as this one.

    “that’s not my whining there… That’s still Mac/DWDS/Sand Ape””

    Um, that WAS not my whining – no speculation there! Tell me, are you even thinking when you post your comments?!? :D

    ” a blog that clearly states it is anti Arab & pro Zionist”

    Making up facts again, are we?

    “How morally weak of you to not be able to fight”

    :D The great internet warrior speaketh! Please read my post @ 283; it is meant for you as much as anyone, and it should be more than enough response to your comment…

  310. Panti-Semite @ 315:

    Actually an interesting clip you’ve found there…

    Besides the obvious pandering to conspiracy-nuts (like yourself, I presume?), it’s well, worth noting the general attitude behind the picture and the year in which it was produced.

    The US has so far (in 1996) dealt with muslims mainly through proxies, and only on foreign soil. An everpresent taboo in the US mindset is the sanctity of their own soil, best demonstrated by their reluctance to enter WW2 until the Japanese made the big mistake of confronting them on their home turf. By 1996, the US has faced no threat at home for more than 50 years, and conspiracy theorists are having a ball focusing on US military expenditures and foreign involvement, and the view of Islam as an enemy is both drawn upon (for example True Lies) and ridiculed (for example this movie)… Is Islam a real threat to US security or is it just a scapegoat for various industrial powerhouses? Everyone has an opinion, from the computer hermit to the Hollywood bigwigs.

    This all comes to a crashing halt in 2001, when it is openly demonstrated that even US soil is not off limits to terrorist activities.

    Basement conspiracy junkies naturally only change focus – they churn out “evidence” that they’ve been right all along, and that the whole terrorist threat is machinated and subsequently covered up by the Bush-administration (despite them describing the Bush-administration as the most incompetent ever, they’re seemingly easily capable of setting up the greatest hoax in history…?).

    The more mainstream segment of the US (meaning, say, 90 % of it’s citizens and all major media networks, among others) however, have had their perspective changed radically. There is most certainly a threat out there, a threat with roots in Islam. “Who is to blame? Them or ourselves?” The answer varies, of course, but it’s notable that no movie since 2001 has taken on the subject as lightly as was the case with this movie or True Lies. The threat from islamist terrorists (to differentiate the extremists) is a real one, and not something to be joked with.

    For better and for worse, the US (and the world) has learned that, on one hand, it carries a price to paint a one-dimensional image of an enemy with no room for nuances, and on the other, there is a cost to ignoring the obvious, jeering at warning signs and throwing constructive criticism to the wind. As True Lies pandered to the one-tracked, gung ho isolationists, so this movie gratified the self-hating, anti-government apologists. The truth is probably to be found somewhere in the middle.

  311. @ asshole,

    You mightas well call me sand ape ass well since that psuedo hat trick is your pacifier.

    Are you thick?

    @ “”” a blog that clearly states it is anti Arab & pro Zionist ””"
    . “”"”Making up facts again, are we?”"”"

    Umm, can you read?

    —-Support the Neo-con American Right-wing Zionist Christian Imperialist Conspiracy in the Middle-east! —-

    But you probably knew that already didn’t you?
    You fight like a child, a little girl.

  312. perfect description of your self there Adam

    “Everyone has an opinion, from the computer hermit to the Hollywood bigwigs.”

    COMPUTER HERMITS>

    I couldn’t have said it better.

    Or perhaps you are to be found somewhere in the middle in between the Hollywood bigwigs and the computer hermits lol.

    PRECIOUS

  313. Hesham @ 319:

    “asshole”

    Thank you once again for exposing your intellectual shortcomings – it makes the rest of us look even more civilized and intelligent than we are already!

    “You mightas well call me sand ape ass”

    Ok, Sand Ape Ass… Works for me! :D

    “Umm, can you read?

    —-Support the Neo-con American Right-wing Zionist Christian Imperialist Conspiracy in the Middle-east! —-”

    Uhm, ever heard of… irony? No? Well, here’s a link for you:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony

    Now that we have familiarized ourselves with this concept, I think we can confidently establish that Sam has put that bit of exaggerated, stereotypical conspiracy-rubbish on his site with the exact intent of pissing off half-witted paranoids, incapable of telling fact from fiction. You know, people like yourself… :)

    “You fight like a child, a little girl.”

    So speaketh the brave internet warrior! :D

  314. Hesham @ 320:

    “perfect description of your self there Adam

    COMPUTER HERMITS>

    I couldn’t have said it better.”

    Thank you, although I was actually thinking of paranoid loners like yourself:

    http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/nerd_computer_repair.jpg

    “Or perhaps you are to be found somewhere in the middle”

    I would certainly hope so! :)

  315. Hesham,

    Adam says – ” I think we can confidently establish that Sam has put that bit of exaggerated, stereotypical conspiracy-rubbish on his site with the exact intent of pissing off half-witted paranoids.”

    That is a somewhat logical assumption, but to say it is confidently established, is gross disestablishment in itself. Callously insinuating opinion to be fact is a common tact by pseudo intellectuals, embellishing opinion to be fact within their convoluted reasoning.

    Adam truly believes he is right and is adamant about his views to the point where he is incapable of seeing anyone else’s views.

  316. Nice site Darkside. Sorry about your loss.

    Yes, Adams infatuation with Fat hermit people like sandmonkey is evidenced by him posting the same fat guy over three times.

    Stop feeding the trolls.

    I nailed it when I said he just hates Arabs. The Zionist know they are out numbered 10/1 by world opinion, that should be enough. But they will say these people don’t count because they are poor or uncool lol. That is why they gather here and try & make ridiculous claims to justify Israeli occupation & assurption of land. Anyone who supports Israel either has a sharp stick up there ass which hurts too much to take out, or just going with the flow.

  317. My Own Darkside @ 323:

    “but to say it is confidently established, is gross disestablishment in itself.”

    It’s your prerogative to think so, but I’d say the inclusion of the word “conspiracy” there at the end of the string of extreme stereotype adjectives is a dead giveaway. IMO, debating this is just an expression of quarrelsomeness; but again, you can think what you like…

  318. Hesham @ 324:

    “Yes, Adams infatuation with Fat hermit people like sandmonkey is evidenced by him posting the same fat guy over three times.”

    It just sounded like you hadn’t seen yourself in the mirror for quite some time; I thought I’d remind you not to throw stones when you live in a glass house… :)

    “Stop feeding the trolls.”

    I’m trying, but exposing your lack of social and deductive skills is just too much fun. Which reminds me… How about some actual, proper arguments for your side of the debate? It would be nice to actually have some form of discussion instead of just having a laugh at your unsupported opinion and baseless rants… Come on, surely you have SOME logical argument to support your cause?!?

  319. ” The Zionist know they are out numbered 10/1 by world opinion, that should be enough.”

    Only in the bizarro world you live in!! LOL

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro_World

    ” but exposing your lack of social and deductive skills is just too much fun.”

    LOL!!! You nailed that one Adam!! :D

  320. It’s not that this is a Christian or jewish war against Islam, it’s more an Islam against Islam kind of war. Read it and weep Jihady’s.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,660619,00.html#ref=nlint

    And it’s from the uber liberal Spiegel too!!!!

  321. ted @ 328:

    The problem with presenting facts like these in a forum such as this, is that you’re either preaching to the believers, or trying to convince a group of “opponents”, who don’t really give a shit. Mo and his buddies are “westernized” muslims, living under the protection of the very societies that they despise, and as safe as anyone from the threat of islamist terror. In some ways they’re ideological allies of Al-qaida and similar organizations; their ideology and/or political conviction goes before human lives, particularly those living in the very areas in which the conflict(s) rages, ie. everyone but themselves… It’s sad but true – the idea of martyrs is alive and kicking, particularly (and unsurprisingly) among those who face little risk of meeting this fate themselves.

  322. A great example:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/03/2761484.htm

    Sure, they killed 3 Somali ministers, but they also managed to wipe out several handfuls of civilians – newly educated physicians in a country full of civil war victims no less!

    And all of them Muslims; not a westerner among them.

    Where is the outcry? Why do we not see Muslims across the world condemn actions like this? Why? Because it’s just a drop in the ocean, and more importantly, no outward “enemy” is readily identifiable. No external opponent to rally against. The perpetrator is to be found within, and such a thing is better left ignored… Rest assured that if a Jewish or Christian terrorist had been to blame, the Muslim world would have taken to the streets by the millions.

  323. Slappymcgroundout says:

    “I know that there scum of the earth like Cameron who have no respect to prophets or religions, who come here and vent their sick and disgusting garbage but I can’t recall Sandmonkey doing so.”

    If you were referring to the one soul’s description of the one other soul, well, in civilized nations, truth is a complete defense to an action for defamation. And truth is truth, and not sick, disgusting or garbage. Which brings me to:

    ” I aint here to debate anyone who defames Islam or the prophet Muhammad [SAW], Egypt, Arabs, Muslims etc.”

    And so there cannot be any discourse. And he wonders why we detest him so. And he’ll never understand that while it might pain some of us, we’d rather have Piss Christ in our world than him and his hostis humani generis soul.

    In the meantime, as always, I’ll say in reply something about how his sorry ass is parading in a circle around a rock from space, much like some did in the days of Artemis of the Ephesians, and his holy book certaintly isn’t complete as the one wife of Mohammed is quoted as saying that a goat ate part of allah’s revelation.

    Lastly, on an unrelated but yet related note, for those of you out there in the land of Islam, careful, since maybe allah had that goat eat that piece, since that piece wasn’t the plan. If not, then your god can’t save his revelation from the clutches of a hungry goat. Just the omnipotent god that I was looking for. Here I am with decay and death staring me in the face, and I question that your notion of Deity is going to be resurrecting us when he/she/it can’t stop a goat from eating revelation, and you ain’t here to discuss, and so what else is left? Sorry, but you leave us no choice. You are hostis humani generis. Change the mindset and then maybe we can say, welcome home.

  324. Back on topic…

    I’m sure Brazil are quaking in their boots over having to face North Korea and Nigeria! ;)

    Damn, the frenchies got the easy group!

    Rats, we’re meeting the Dutch in the first match – only Spain would have been worse…!

  325. “The Zionist know they are out numbered 10/1 by world opinion, that should be enough. *** Anyone who supports Israel either has a sharp stick up there ass which hurts too much to take out, or just going with the flow.”

    I am not the only one thinking that this is an oxymoron, am I?

    Can one go with the flow with a 10 to 1 quota against one?

    Am I a Zionist because I support Israels right to exist against 300 million muslim arabs? Questions only Allah will know the answer to. Or me. :)

    Greetings from Germany to the Sandmonkey.

  326. Marlin – There are a LOT of oxymorons on this blog…that’s why we keep coming back!

  327. OXYMORONS indeed.

    Justifying collateral damage is pretty brazen of Muslim terrorists. Assurption of land by a so called Godly people ROFL, because of some holy text, is no less satanically dubious either. The way I see it, you guy are all fucked and have all been had pretty damn hard.

    Satan Rules you and you know it!

  328. brooklynjon says:

    Algeria sucks.

    bj

  329. Adam you are my friend.

    We may have not seen eye to eye in the past, especially regarding your refusal to believe in God. But none the less we are brothers-in-arms, due to our personal hatred for all Muslims. Knowing full well Islam is a far superior way of life than that of our Judu-Christian ancestors. Requiring us to feed the hungry, stop any extra-marital affairs & funniest of all, lend people money for free. What a sense of humor the man upstairs has. No wonder you refuse to believe in him, my atheist cousin.

    We are a proud people. We are white, we are smarter and therefore far superior. Never mind the collective inaccuracies & direct contradictions of our Judo-Christean doctrine. Our parents followed it, so therefore it must be right. I wish more people like you and I, who have had past social disorders and conformity issue, join us, in order to experience new forms of acceptance within our exclusive circle. That is the meaning of true friendship.

    We will undoubtedly continue to love each other endlessly.

  330. Faker @ 337:

    It must be supremely depressing to have to face the fact that your intellectual capacity is so limited that you have to resort to faking posts in other’s name in a desperate attempt to make your own side of the “argument” look better; an attempt that is, of course, doomed to spectacular failure…

    I feel genuinely sad for you.

  331. LOL Sandy!! If you can’t beat them, try to be them!! Your adolescent attempts to understand your oppositions point of view and mindset fail miserably yet again. Do keep trying though, it is truly entertaining seeing children try to emulate adults!

  332. Adam,

    Post 339 is not me, it is a fake.

    I do genuinely love you.

  333. Try and see my point here.

    I know that its odd I support Israel, therefore I end up at odds with many people. So I try & compartmentalize these issues & claim everyone is “A Sandy.”

    It is very simple. Native Americans first inhabited what is now Texas. Therefore they have original claim to the land, according to their way of life and governance that existed there back then.

    I am illegally occupying their land. Now to make things right, I thought I might as well support the natives of Jerusalem (Jews) to get their land back by force if necessary, so that I would be doing the right thing. I swear I would not mind if a strong Native tribe kicked me off this land right now, and made me a drug mule refugee in Tijuana.

    Come on. My parents said it is ok. They also said Jesus is a God, and the son of God, as well as having a pet holy ghost that they adopted into the family. Things are pretty darn confusing to start off with. Let’s not be hypocrites & try and make sense out of things. Whomever has the biggest guns wins. We like things big in Texas which is Native American land (what are you going to do about it, lol) it is our way of life.

  334. ” therefore I end up at odds with many people. So I try & compartmentalize these issues & claim everyone is “A Sandy.” ”

    Delusional. Not “A Sandy”. just good ol’ ignorant “Sandy”, as in Sand Ape.

    “Therefore they have original claim to the land, according to their way of life and governance that existed there back then.”

    “Indian” is nothing more than a vague catch-all name (first used by Columbus, who mistakenly thought he had landed in India). However, although Indian cultures were quite varied, most shared a similar understanding of the meaning and the stewardship of land. None considered themselves to “own” any land any more than the buffalo herds they harvested owned the land.

    Ignorance is bliss isn’t it Sandy, the Comanche Indians that occupied the biggest part of Texas before Spain, France, Mexico, The Republic of Texas, the Confederate States of America and finally the United States of America didn’t think they owned the land, they raided surrounding Indian nations before settlers came and raided the European settlers once they arrived. Comanches killed more Indians than the white man throughout history, of all Indian nations I believe they were the most blood thirsty and cruel. I might add at this point that I have Comanche blood in my veins!!

    If you knew anything about America or American Indians you’d also know that they have sovereign nations in the form of reservations whose land equals hundreds of times the area of tiny Israel and there aren’t any cross border rocket attacks or suicide bombers on either side. I might also add that American Indian adults don’t indoctrinate their children with hateful propaganda filled children’s shows like you were feed on growing up (which I presume you are still doing growing up, that is])

    ” Things are pretty darn confusing to start off with. ”

    Only for a pea brain like yourself! You’re not to pretty bright, are you?

    Your comparisons are typically ass backwards and convoluted as your lame sense of logic. You, my friend, are hoisted by your own petard, yet again.

    Keep listening to your pan Arab nationalist propaganda tapes over and over again, it’s bound to teach you some true values and the real meaning of the Christianity. (sarcasm mode off)

  335. Marie Claude says:

    Adam

    the bets here were France vs Algeria :lol:

    I already told on my twitter if some peope wanted to get rid of their cars without paying anything, then they should hide them in the surburbs

    the true Tedders, welcome back

    I have already seen your nic elsewhere :lol:

  336. Hi Marie! When will your Portugal pics be up?

  337. Marie Claude says:

    Tedders,

    I didn’t make any, cuz we were in the same place as last time. Though my hubby has done some with his Iphone, probably that he will make a small video with them.

  338. I have had an awakening.

    Mac please call your boys off, I will be nice from now on. After all I am Muslim and I hereby repent and wont incite hatred anymore. I now know it was very wrong to do so in the first place.

    Hi tedders,

    What did you mean by this?

    “Indians have sovereign nations in the form of reservations whose land equals hundreds of times the area of tiny Israel.”

    I take it you mean the original 1948 map of Israel, not the current map of Israel, before they ussurped all that illegal land. As they still continue to do so, as they continually illegally expand settlements on Palestinian land, contrary to international law. As was shown by your justification up there, reiterating Camacho’s (spelled no ‘e’ before the ‘s’) Indians didn’t have retaliatory abilities (balls) like the Arabs did, when you said “there weren’t any cross border rocket attacks or suicide bombers.”

    I have said several times that what Israel is doing is wrong, but far less wrong than what the Arabs are doing. But in any case, please don’t call me “A sandy,” for pointing all this out.

    Arabs suck, yes, you guys are far superior to us. Please do not nuke us.

    Let’s keep it at that. Otherwise it will be hard to continue to pander to you guys until we have nuclear weapons. It has already nearly cost me my life. I want to live and since I have a Western education, I already know that you guys will never allow us to have nuclear arms anyway.

  339. Yes fake Sandmonkey (Sandy) you are consistently ignorant in your statements. It’s Comanche, as in the occupiers of an area of land called the Comancheria.

    “Camacho’s”? Isn’t that a WWF wrestler? Macho Camacho or something like that?
    Nice!

    There are a total of 87,031.25 mi² of sovereign American Indian Reservation land in the United States mainland.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_sovereignty

    While Israel’s current area is approximately 7,992 sq mi, which includes 172 sq mi of inland water. Israel stretches 4263 mi from north to south, and its width ranges from 71 mi to, at its narrowest point, 9 mi. Israel also partially controls the West Bank, 2,270 sq mi and the Golan Heights, 444 sq mi.

    All Arabs don’t suck at all, although most Algerians suck rather badly!!

  340. tedders,

    I asked you nicely not to call me “A Sandy,” for pointing out very obvious truths, which you dislike. But you did anyways, not very nice of you. Watch it there buddy.

    Plus you never answered my main question.

    Did you mean the original 1948 map of Israel, not the current map of Israel, before they ussurped all that illegal land?

    As they still continue to do, continually expanding illegal settlements on land which doe not belong to them, under international law.

  341. tedders – you are mistaken and sandmonkey is right yet again.

    Your grammar is far from perfect and leaves little to be desired, yet alone your spelling and comprehension skills.. Come on, you didn’t even know the meaning of the word benevolent. The Indians you were thinking of are called the COMANCHE tribe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche. Since wikipedia is the only thing you understand. Plus it is called Christianity, not the Christianity, as you are quoted saying, below.

    “it’s bound to teach you some true values and the real meaning of the Christianity.”

    Just saying you know.

  342. tedders at #342 & 347 are classic genius replies!

    “Camacho’s”? Isn’t that a WWF wrestler? Macho Camacho or something like that? Nice!”

    LOL!!!

    Anybody that reads this blog can see that you consistently out duel and outwit your opponents tedders.

  343. OMG! I just realized that I like getting boned up the ass soooo much, I …I…. I must be Gay. I’ve sucked dick on occasion,I mean,who hasn’t? Right? But this is soooo… different. A good hard one up my pooper is…. well, just …. heaven.
    Once the head in …. I just LOVE it without lube. What do Us, fags(makes me all giggly inclusive using that word)call tha,”t riding rough”. PURE HEAVEN OMG, I want to shout it from the roof tops, I’m a flaming homo! Take that daddy, take that imam *****, take that hamas, take that mubarak, take that all you straight arabs, I’m Gay, Gay, Gay, and Proud. Now that I’m so sure I’m a fag, I will have to move to Israel or another western country if I want to have a decent life in the open and not have to lie anymore, and Oh god it’s good to be free. Maybe, I will move to Switzerland, have you ever seen an arab man’s pubes…. There like steel wool, and I hate it when they get caught
    teeth. With the minaret ban the land of the Swiss, there will be fewer arabs and more blonds for ME. Down with Double Standards, cock pilot, Faggot, proud Gay Man…. What? WHAT? homosexuality is a capitol crime under sharia? OH, fuck me… another reason to get out of the middle east. though I hear the gay scene in saudi is hot, hot, HOT. A what a boy will do for some stiff dick

  344. DWDS @ 349:

    “The Indians you were thinking of are called the COMANCHE tribe”

    Which is what he has been calling them all along, unlike you @ 346… :D

    “Plus it is called Christianity, not the Christianity,”

    For someone who’s trying to correct the grammar of someone else, this sentence is simply hilarious! :D

    DWDS @ 351:

    To be honest, it’s been obvious all the time… Congrats on getting out of the closet, though. :)

  345. posts have passed the 340 mark…people are apparently weirder than normal…
    time to lay off the shisha and update your blog, SM. This is getting old and irritating…stop being so lazy and write some stuff.

    And we’ve discussed this already, people. Indians are from India. Native Americans are from America. Indians are not Native Americans unless you are a five year old

  346. Again,

    post #352 is fake, as it makes no sense whatsoever.

    The real me wouldn’t say anything like that and acknowledges what Israel is doing is wrong, as I have said numerous times before. Nobody ever acknowedges my good points.

    Evil Fucks, Israel!:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX18zUp6WPY&feature=player_embedded#at=236

  347. Faker @ 354:

    You just can’t get enough, can you? :D

    It reminds me of the Teletubbies – One of the reasons the show has such an appeal to small children is that everything is repeated over and over. It’s an indicator of an infantile mind to find joy in repetition… :D

  348. Adam, it is a bit entertaining, though. Infantile minds are quite around..

  349. Faker @ 355:

    I am the real Adam B.

    No I have never watched Teletubbies as a child or even as a maturing adult. This just goes to prove that I am right and strengthens my arguments :)

    google my name, the real “Adam B.” and you will see a certain consistency in my adamant exclamation that illegal Israeli settlement building is counter productive and just plain wrong. why do you think I always have to try so hard to defend and justify Israeli actions :)

  350. Brooklynjon says:

    Claire,

    I know plenty of American Indians who like to be called exactly that. And “Native” Americans are only native because they got to America before the Europeans did. Their ancestors were immigrants also. And do we have to sit “Native American Style” now? And if they’re not “Indians”, why do Native Americans, and not immigrants from Madras and Delhi, get bent out of shape about the Cleveland Indians?

    And you’re right, this thread is getting strange.

    bj

    P.S. Algeria Sucks

  351. ” Native Americans are from America. Indians are not Native Americans unless you are a five year old”

    Can you tell us what you base this on Claire?

    All the Native Americans I know (around 50?) are proud to be called Indians or American Indians and extremely proud of their heritage, I guess they didn’t get the memo!

    As I said earlier, I have Comanche blood in my lineage and I would call my self part (a very small part) American Indian.

    After doing a quick check on “American Indian,” “Native American,” “First Nations,” and “indigenous people” websites, the only terms not acceptable that I’ve found are: “savages,” “primitives” or “redskins.” Those are always rude words.

  352. “Redskins” sound kinda cool…! Sounds like the only thing that could make the hair on John Wayne’s neck stand on end!!! :D

    One of my girlfriend’s friends is actually a member of the Danish-Indian Friendship Society (http://tipi.dk/ – no english version for some reason…) and was married Indian-style this summer with the help of two Lakota-friends living in Denmark. Of course it helps with the distinction that people from India are called “Inds” (more or less) in danish…

    Inder = person from India
    Indianer = native American

  353. tedders why are you asking Claire what her basis is for calling Native Americans Indians, bj is the one who said that, not Claire. I guess Roma wasn’t that inspiring and didn’t quite do the trick for you after all now, did it?

    Come on now, even DWDS knows the meaning of the word benevolent, but you don’t. How audacious of you to continue to whimper soothing sounds of pseudo victory when you are done for before you even start.

    As the famous Texas saying goes, “You are all cow horns with no big hat what-so-ever.”

  354. Zionists & fundie Muslims will all burn in hell. As you read this, innocent Arab families homes are being bulldozed into the ground by Zionists, while Muslim fundies plan counter attacks on the innocent children of their occupiers.

    Even though Muslim fundies are far cry from the consistently twisted Zionists, but they will still probably go to hell for all the innocent Muslims they kill.

    Just my humble opinion.

  355. Well, Muslim, the Muslim fundies as you say are responsible for far more dead muslims than the “Zionists”. Especially intentionally killed Muslims.

    Funny, eh? Or not really?

  356. ted, as you’ve probably guessed, it is of course once again Sand Ape alias ad nauseam @ 361 showing himself to be a true – although quite pathetic – psychopath… :)

  357. There still all going to hell, along with those who support them.

  358. @ #349, Good one DWDS,

    You sure told the truth there buddy and made someone really mad by telling it like it is. Making them stoop so low to forfeit the ‘supposed’ superiority of their arguments, by posting troll drivel under ‘your’ name.

    If only Sand Ape were to return and see what a bad taste he has left in these guys mouths, naming all who rudely oppose them the Sand Ape.

    This is simply the most entertaining blog ever. Too bad Mahmoud Ali Salem – the Sandmonkey wont be posting again or for much longer. But in any case, you can find their types all over Zionist Judas Pest websites all over the Internet.

  359. It is sad Adam, Sandy doesn’t even seem make an effort to make sense anymore. Not that he has ever made real sense but at least you could string together his half thoughts and sketchy sentence structure to have an idea of what he was trying to say. I worry for his cognitive abilities and sanity.

    Sandy: Claire’s original post #353 was the one that questioned the use of the term “Indian”. bj said, “I know plenty of American Indians who like to be called exactly that.” Claire was the one that questioned the term, not bj. Are you sure you’re feeling alright little buddy?

    You also seem overly concerned with my use of the wrong term some three weeks ago. You’ve mentioned it what, 3, … 4 times since? I usually only mention your mistakes once but lately you make so many of them I couldn’t possibly mention them all just once lest that would be all I could write about.

    Just for your own well being and information, not to worry, I do know what the term “benevolent” means, it was late, I meant to write belligerent but had the unfortunate luck of typing out the wrong word and spelling it correctly so even spell check didn’t flag the word for me. Thank you so very much for your sincere concern about my communication skills though, I greatly appreciate it! I’ll be sure in the future to point out every misspelling, syntax and conjunction error you make. Considering your postings of lately that should keep me very busy!

  360. To all the Morons says:

    Israel is the anti-Christ you morons, it continues to occupy land under international law. Anyone who supports this for whatever reason, is bound to pay the price when this double standard regurgitates itself from the bowels of the worlds functional justice system. A DOUBLE STANDARD can only last so long. So try and be a part of the solution instead of the problem. I am sure even more people will support the anti-Christ, thinking he is really Christ once he appears. Same goes for the false Israel of today.

    teddy,,

    You are still all cow and no big hat what-so-ever. Like they say down in Texas. Even with your superior use of spell check and cognitive copy/paste abilities, it is still very audacious of you to continue to whimper soothing sounds of pseudo victory when you’re done for, before you start.

  361. brooklynjon says:

    Muslim @362,

    Well the good news for me is that if I am consigned to hell, as you say I will be, at least I’ll be able to meet up with all my lawyer friends.
    *rimshot*

    Which reminds me of a great joke….

    bj

    P.S. Algeria Sucks!

  362. Hesham @ 366:

    Uh, yes – that was a REAL good one he pulled there… Pointing out grammatic mistakes while making even bigger one’s in the process, and correcting a fictional mistake. Boy, he really nailed us there! :D

    Just goes to show your own level, when you think this kind of retort is in any way impressive…

    “what a bad taste he has left in these guys mouths”

    You’re quite right there – Sandy has left a bad taste, the same way every person who fails to live up to his/her classification as a reasoning human being does… What a waste of life!

    “This is simply the most entertaining blog ever”

    Can’t disagree with that one! :)

  363. Sand Ape alias ad nauseam @ 368:

    “Israel is the anti-Christ you morons”

    No, you are. There, now we’re on the same argumentative level… :)

    “it continues to occupy land under international law”

    So, now you’re saying it’s justified? :D

    “Anyone who supports this for whatever reason, is bound to pay the price”

    Well, since no one on this blog seems to be supporting the occupation of Palestinian territory, writing this is pretty much a waste of time isn’t it? ;)

    “when this double standard regurgitates itself”

    You mean the double standard which accepts non-discriminate, random Palestinian attacks against civilians of all nationalities, while crying foul no matter what step the Israelis take to protect themselves against these attacks? Regurgitation is truly a fitting reaction…

    “A DOUBLE STANDARD can only last so long”

    Well, let’s hope so!

    “So try and be a part of the solution instead of the problem.”

    Excellent advice! I suggest you comply with it!

    “I am sure even more people will support the anti-Christ, thinking he is really Christ once he appears. Same goes for the false Israel of today.”

    Senseless nonsense… Good to see some things never change! :D

    “You are still all cow and no big hat what-so-ever.”

    More senseless nonsense…

    “Even with your superior use of spell check and cognitive copy/paste abilities”

    At least you’re admitting to it – that’s the first step to enlightenment!

    “before you start.”

    Start what? :D

  364. Fake @ 370 & 371, just plain childish yet amusing all the same.

  365. LOL :) THE BLOG OF DOUBLE STANDARDS IF THERE EVER WAS ONE.

    JUST PLAIN SENSELES HYPOCRACY, BY TRYING TO DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS.

    SOMEONE TELL THEM IT WILL NEVER WORK ALREADY.

    HOMO’S WILL BE HOMO’S AND ZIONISTS WILL BE ZIONISTS. WHAT MORE CAN BE SAID?

  366. Hey, I think I see a Palestinians home over there..let’s f’ing take it while they are unprotected, while there are still some living holocaust survivors around to tell their story LOL :)

  367. Faker @ 372:

    Get help – you need it badly… :)

  368. Hesham @ 374 & 375:

    I see you’ve definitively given up on presenting any real arguments to support your cause, choosing instead to just pour out rant after rant, and exposing your own homophobic moral shortcomings in the process…

    Thanks again for showing your colours! :D

  369. This is getting out of hand. I do not see who I am talking to or who wrote what. Except Adam B. sometimes.. mostly. When it makes sense, it is him, when not, it is a stupid little fuck.. errr faker. :D

    And try to get real names, makes it easier for me, will you?

    Ad: antichrist crybaby: what if I dont believe century olde fairy tales? Uhh..

    Israel is there and shall stay. Losers of wars of aggression should not cry so much but accept the consequences of their stupidity. Especially when they were more in numbers and still lost.. man, I would feel bad too, but then I would try to settle down and start a real life.. instead of constant bitching, crying and trying to get what I cannot from a stronger opponent. I would start to live. In peace at that. ;) They really should try.

  370. DWDS youre the man :)

  371. Thanx hesham, funny how these dumb fucks keep calling us sandape, they are so delusional. Sandape showed up for a brief second then left. I mean really, who could take these nuts seriously? :) They ask for peace when err, little arab kids homes are being bulldozed, not to mention american peace activists getting run over while they are it, journalists getting banned & shot by snipers, the breaking of international laws, UN condemnations, Israeli gov official being exposed for sexual deviance and mistrust, every PM under so called investigation for corruption etc etc ad infinitum. Yet you hear pussies like Adam say you present no hard evidence.

    I love coming here, it i like entering a lounge in a pedophile correctional facility and flashing kid under wear. They will no doubt ay, umm, err, I thought they were my grannie LOL which make them all the more sicko :)

    You are one of the say 5 0r 6 people here who got it right. I admire your comment 373.

    cheers buddy

  372. Faker @ 376

    Anyone can see that I, the real Adam, would not write such inaccurate drivel, quoting Hesham @ 374 & 375, when Hesham only posted 374 & not 375.

    Err, just saying you know..

    Thanx BTW Marlin. But we are going to half to think of some new trick besides playing the deaf, dumb and blind moron card. Israel is in fact doing as DWDS says in 379. Pointing out more Muslims are killed by other Muslims dont make it right.

    I just wish they could see that Jew and their slaves like me, need that land cause of the holocaust.

    I am really sick and tired of having to make up history and pretend that jewish lynch mob that cleansed the land of Arabs were formed due to Arab hostilities.

    Please help with a new trick. I have already read everything on the support Israel site on how to refute the UN, fairness, genocide. Tell Mossad to up the anty a little bit and make up so more B so we can get the job done. Muslims are pigs, how come we cant beat them. Why is the house of Rothschild sitting on their ass? Get another 40 Zionists in the white houe for king davids sake..UUUUUGHHH

  373. “UN, fairness” !!! LOL ! Sandy!! LOL!!!

    “the house of Rothschild”

    So juvenile! Are you really that retarded? Do you really believe every half baked conspiracy you read about? Have you ever had a rational and balanced thought? Evidently not.

  374. Yes 368 & DWDS, the state of pro Zionist argumentation these days is very disturbing indeed. Even more disturbing is what Zionism has turned into, brandishing the sword of faulty justified theft of land and the moral destruction that follows. Building home on the misery of others. If only the Zionists had initially followed the advice they are now throwing at the Arabs, they wouldnt have opened up Pandora’s box. More anti semitism exists today than ever, before the creation of the once legal – but turned illegal – state of UN condemnation record holder – lil Israel. Talk about a disturbed and psychopathic mentality.

    The really sad thing is, moderate Muslims are being pulled into the fray by identifying that acts committed by radical Muslims were born out of radical Zionism.

    I agree the most terrible thing the world could do, has already been done, by arming little Israel with nuclear weapons. As it has has already proven it will stop at nothing, blatantly disregarding international law.

    may G-d have mercy on all our souls.

  375. brooklynjon says:

    Algeria sucks. A lot.

    bj

  376. DWDS @ 379:

    “Sandape showed up for a brief second”

    You mean, you logged in as Sand Ape for a brief second? ;) Well, it’s either that, or you peeps have studied under the same third rate English teacher, and gotten into the habit of using the exact same adjectives and sentence structure (or lack of same)…

    “when err, little arab kids homes are being bulldozed”

    …and little Israeli kids are dodging rockets, listening to muslims demanding their deaths.

    “journalists getting banned & shot by snipers”

    You’re talking about the Hamas militia here, right?

    “the breaking of international laws”

    You mean the Hamas despots abolishing democratic elections and demanding the destruction of a sovereign nation?

    “Israeli gov official being exposed for sexual deviance and mistrust”

    …and the exposure of Arab/Palestinian government officials not having any consequence at all due to the despotic nature of their regimes.

    “every PM under so called investigation for corruption etc etc ad infinitum”

    As long as it’s only the Prime Minister! :D But on the Arab side, no MP under any kind of investigation due to the despotic nature of their regimes.

    “Yet you hear pussies like Adam say you present no hard evidence.”

    You don’t. You saying “arab kids homes are being bulldozed” is no argument against Israel, as long as their parents are sending rockets across the border and demanding the death of Israel and all it’s citizens…

    And again, swearwords and other derogatory remarks do little to bolster your credibility.

  377. Faker @ 380:

    A post was probably deleted by filter or by Sam…

    And once again, thanks for exposing your intellectual deficiency by making a fake post for the umpteenth time – every such post (and lack of real, up-front argument from your side) only serves to underline how right we are and how wrong you are… :D

  378. Muslim @ 382:

    “Yes 368 & DWDS, the state of pro Zionist argumentation these days is very disturbing indeed”

    It must be… Coherent and factual; on such a different level from your own!!! :D Although to be truthful, it’s only pro-Zionist in your head, as has been explained time and again on this blog…

    “faulty justified theft of land”

    You mean selling land to others, later to demand it returned? You mean making up imaginary historical nations to claim national sovereignty? You mean arbitrarily and unilaterally deciding how many years it takes for a claim to be forfeit? We’ve been over this hundreds of times, and each time you fail to advance your arguments further than this stage… Case closed.

    “Building home on the misery of others”

    Building countries on the bodies of others seems a tad worse, especially considering the misery is kept alive by the Arabs themselves…

    “If only the Zionists had initially followed the advice they are now throwing at the Arab”

    Let’s live in peace, side by side, masters of our own nations as decreed by the UN?

    “More anti semitism exists today than ever”

    In certain parts of the world; yes, probably… cough>middle east<cough!

    “but turned illegal”

    Which nation is that, pray tell…?

    “The really sad thing is, moderate Muslims are being pulled into the fray by identifying that acts committed by radical Muslims were born out of radical Zionism”

    Nonsense… The acts of radical Muslims are born out of a book 1400 years overdue for an overhaul. Moderate muslims can best be described as muslims not living properly by their religion. The fact that moderate Muslims are identifying with the actions of their radical brothers-in-faith only shows that we have a long, long way to go in bringing Islam into the modern world. It’ll take generations and it’ll take a change of attitude among the socialist-inclined people of the West for this to happen, but most of all it’ll take a change in the political goals of the Palestinian leadership to find an end to the conflict and quench the fever in the minds of the Muslim masses of the world.

    “I agree the most terrible thing the world could do, has already been done, by arming little Israel with nuclear weapons.”

    Why is that the most terrible thing? Because it’s the final deterrence for it’s Arabs neighbours to launch another all out attack?

    “As it has has already proven it will stop at nothing”

    Gee, and here I thought you just said Israel had nuclear weapons at it’s disposal… I mean, the fact that Palestine is still on the world map must mean that Israel does not possess nuclear weapons by your own argument… :D

    “, blatantly disregarding international law.

    As is their adversaries, but that doesn’t matter to you, does it? After all, they’re Muslims, and as such exempt from adhering to the laws they hold others accountable to, right? What was that about double standards again…?

    “may G-d have mercy on all our souls.”

    God is a figment of human imagination. The sooner you come to terms with that, the sooner we might start living peacefully side by side…

  379. “When err, little arab kids homes are being bulldozed

    “And little Israeli kids are dodging rockets, listening to muslims demanding their deaths.”

    After their houses are bulldozed, yes indeed, thats what any human being would demand. It is called physics, for every action there is a reaction.

    Journalists getting banned & shot by snipers

    “You’re talking about the Hamas militia here, right?”

    No I am talking about the journalists & cameramen who are shot in cold blood for trying to expose the truth. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3010767.stm It is funny how the videos disappear almost immediately from youtube. Since there i nothing to hide. The anti defamtion league and APAc wouldnt have anything to do with eh?

    The breaking of international laws.

    “You mean the Hamas despots abolishing democratic elections and demanding the destruction of a sovereign nation?”

    No, actually Hamas was elected democratically. They obviously demand the destruction of a nation that was illegally built over the habitat of an uprooted people who were denied their own sovereignty unless they accepted that people from all over the world, whom have never even seen that land in their life time, be allowed to forcibly live on that land against the will of those who were born there.

    Israeli gov official being exposed for sexual deviance and mistrust

    “…and the exposure of Arab/Palestinian government officials not having any consequence at all due to the despotic nature of their regimes.”

    At least they are not perverts on top of all things.

    Every PM under so called investigation for corruption etc etc ad infinitum.

    As long as it’s only the Prime Minister!

    No. Wrong again. Even the last president of iSRAEL resigned to to allegations of sexual harassment and rape. Not to mention a certain ambassador who represented Israel in South America, being found naked lying in someones back yard with a butt plug up his anus and sex toys laying all around him. Children could have easily looked out their windows and seen this representative of israel displaying his congruent moral superiority.

    “Coherent and factual; on such a different level from your own!”

    Did I hear one try and speak about facts LMAO

    As it has has already proven it will stop at nothing

    “Gee, and here I thought you just said Israel had nuclear weapons at it’s disposal… I mean, the fact that Palestine is still on the world map must mean that Israel does not possess nuclear weapons by your own argument…”

    umm ever heard of Nuclear fall out? Obviously not. That was the most bizarre desperate statement read in a long time.

    God is a figment of human imagination.

    And i suppose you were delivered by a stark eh?

    Now I see why you are so confused…

  380. Muslim @ 388:

    “After their houses are bulldozed, yes indeed, thats what any human being would demand. It is called physics, for every action there is a reaction.”

    What are you trying to say here?

    “No I am talking about the journalists & cameramen who are shot in cold blood for trying to expose the truth.”

    Oh, I thought you were talking about journalist and cameramen being used for propaganda and extortion or killed in cold blood because their point of view differs from that of the Palestinian authority…

    http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/06/26/bbc.reporter/index.html
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/809138.html

    That is if they’re even allowed to enter the area or operate independently…

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331119089&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull
    http://cpj.org/2008/07/palestinian-cameraman-arrested-by-hamas.php

    Let’s just say that the general conditions in the area makes for frayed nerves and a “shoot first, ask questions later” policy. And being in a warzone is inherently deadly, as all journalists should consider before taking on the job. I’d say there’s a long way from being shot at a distance by an Israeli soldier for whatever reason, and being tied to a chair and threatened with a knife by a Palestinian militant/Hamas soldier.

    “No, actually Hamas was elected democratically.”

    They were elected democratically (although they shouldn’t have been allowed to run in the first place due to their anti-democratic intentions) and promptly got rid of any hint of democracy afterwards, dealing harshly with their political rivals in the process.

    “They obviously demand the destruction of a nation that was illegally built”

    Israel was legally built, assured by the very same UN resolutions that you flaunt every time it suits your cause. Talk about double standards!

    “over the habitat of an uprooted people”

    On land which they had owned for generations, had bought fair and square or was owned by no one.

    “whom have never even seen that land in their life time”

    This goes for 3/4 of all Palestinians today. Are we to use the same argument here?

    “No. Wrong again”

    YOU were the one who used the term PM (= Prime minister), not me.

    “Did I hear one try and speak about facts LMAO”

    Yes. I’ve presented plenty; you’ve presented none.

    “umm ever heard of Nuclear fall out? Obviously not. That was the most bizarre desperate statement read in a long time.”

    Yes I have. Ever heard of tactical nuclear weapons? Nuclear weapons can easily be used with minimal repercussions for the user…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon

    And in any case, your argument was that Israel would stop at nothing and them having nuclear weapons was a catastrophe. Stop at nothing? Well, if they had nuclear weapons this would mean no more Palestine. The only other options, by your own argument, are 1: They have no nuclear weapons, or 2: They have nuclear weapons, but have chosen not to use them. In both cases YOU’RE wrong. :D

    “And i suppose you were delivered by a stark eh?”

    I take it you mean “stork”? No, I was conceived by my mom and dad, and delivered by my mom’s midwife… :D Unlike you, I take it, who, what… erupted from the earth? :P

  381. 1. “After their houses are bulldozed, yes indeed, thats what any human being would demand. It is called physics, for every action there is a reaction.”

    “What are you trying to say here?”

    That after someone bulldozes your house, the natural reaction would be to try and return the favor.

    2. “No I am talking about the journalists & cameramen who are shot in cold blood for trying to expose the truth.”

    “Oh, I thought you were talking about journalist and cameramen being used for propaganda and extortion or killed in cold blood because their point of view differs from that of the Palestinian authority…”

    No, I was talking about the many who were killed in cold blood on video and posted only to mysteriously disappear. Why do they keep disappearing Adam…could you please tell me?

    3. “No, actually Hamas was elected democratically.”

    “They were elected democratically (although they shouldn’t have been allowed to run in the first place due to their anti-democratic intentions) under whose laws, obviously not their own or the ones Bush was trying to emulate in the M.E.? So why not take it up with Bush instead?

    4. “They obviously demand the destruction of a nation that was illegally built”

    “Israel was legally built, assured by the very same UN resolutions that you flaunt every time it suits your cause. Talk about double standards!

    Only because it is common sense that if they want to use that argument, they must abide by the laws of the very same body that illicited their existence. But they don’t, although it happens to be an international body.

    5. “over the habitat of an uprooted people”

    “On land which they had owned for generations, had bought fair and square or was owned by no one.

    How could it have been bought fair and square if it had been bought by no one? Kind of defeats your argument don’t you think?

    6. “whom have never even seen that land in their life time”

    “This goes for 3/4 of all Palestinians today.”

    Never mind about Palestinians of today who are mostly all refugees after the Naqba. We are talking about the ones who inhabited the land t the time.

    7. “No. Wrong again”

    YOU were the one who used the term PM (= Prime minister), not me.

    Just to show the tip of the iceberg, as many others were relieved of their tenure due to their inappropriate behavior. But when I point out other facts, mind you, you say they are false. Which brings me to your next comment which is full of irony.

    8. “Did I hear one try and speak about facts LMAO”

    “Yes. I’ve presented plenty; you’ve presented none.”

    Even if you have indeed presented facts, PULEAAAAAASE..To say that I have presented none, only presents your antagonistic nature and lack of real ability to thoroughly debate. It demeans our intelligenc.

    Are you trying to get a job as an IDF spokesperson or something?

    9. “umm ever heard of Nuclear fall out? Obviously not. That was the most bizarre desperate statement read in a long time.”

    “Yes I have. Ever heard of tactical nuclear weapons? Nuclear weapons can easily be used with minimal repercussions for the user…”

    10. “And i suppose you were delivered by a stark eh?”

    “I take it you mean “stork”? No,” Ye, my bad…

    I was conceived by my mom and dad, and delivered by my mom’s midwife… Unlike you, I take it, who, what… erupted from the earth?

    Delivered as in by DHL or UPS, by a fictional bird, not knowing exactly how you (Adam B.) came into existence. As in being erupted from the Earth or some other form of intelligent design theory. Well then who made it intelligent in the first place huh? True intelligence would dictate that all of us were created by a higher power who pull all the strings to make it so. And if this were in fact true, which it is, we wouldnt even be able to begin to conceive how HE came into existence himself. Do you know all the quantum physics of electricity..I think not, neither do I. But we still use electricity daily as an integral part of our lives. The fact is there is no conclusive scientific proof of the existence, or non-existence of G-d, demonstrates that the existence of God is not a normal scientific question and G-d can not be determined by epistemology. We can’t all be wrong on this you know.

    Some people call their higher power forces of science, lucky charms, spirits, angels, Gods or The G-d, in Abrahamic tradition. But for there to be no higher power what so ever at all diminishes the universal matrix that all life forms live within – the Natural Order of things such as the food chain, the perfect balance between night and day, the seasons, the way the galaxy and the heavens mysteriously hold themselves up. They way the body fights disease etc.

  382. “quantum physics of electricity..I think not, neither do I.”

    “the way the galaxy and the heavens mysteriously hold themselves up.”

    Wow, if I ever thought your knowledge was questionable, these two statements really sum it up. A couple of high school physics classes should clear up the electricity and galaxy questions you seem to have. The galaxy thing is pure Newtonian.

    Quantum mechanics on the other hand has nothing to do with electricity that we use to power appliances and such but has led scientist to the discoveries and insights needed for understanding the properties of semiconductor materials so they can be exploited for a range of modern products.

    Quantum theory in a nutshell is the math used to predict the position and/or momentum of a particle, but not both, it’s either knowing position and not momentum or knowing the momentum and nothing about position! The world of Quantum mechanics is fuzzy, unpredictable and uncertain. You’ve heard of the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle? That’s what it’s about. Einstein hated QM, he said:

    “Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me that it is not yet the real thing. Quantum theory says a lot, but does not really bring us any closer to the secret of the Old One. I, at any rate, am convinced that He (God) does not throw dice.” (Albert Einstein, On Quantum Physics, Letter to Max Born, December 12, 1926)

    It is hoped that the particle accelerator in Europe (Large Hadron Collider) will lead to discoveries of a better and more predictable or refined way to understand the sub atomic world as Einstein believed would happen. Let me also add that at the time Quantum theories were brought to light, there were only a few sub atomic particles that were known. Today there are more and more and more. One that is predicted but not observed yet is the Higgs boson particle, it’s one of the first things the new particle accelerator is tasked with finding. It seems that every advance in the field of particle physics is met with a moving of the finish line further and further away. The more we know, the less we understand. Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzcATqu5NtY&feature=related

  383. Muslim @ 390:

    “That after someone bulldozes your house, the natural reaction would be to try and return the favor.”

    Fair enough. So I take it you’ll also agree that when someone demands your destruction and tries to kill you and your family with homemade rockets, you retaliate in force?

    “No, I was talking about the many who were killed in cold blood on video and posted only to mysteriously disappear. Why do they keep disappearing Adam…could you please tell me?”

    No I can’t, having never seen them… I have, however, seen countless programs documenting in detail how many anti-Israeli vids on the net are fakes made specifically for propaganda purposes. Not that this in any way means that I consider Israeli authorities above covering up military mistakes; I just see their opponents as being ten times worse, nullifying their cries of foul play…

    “under whose laws”

    I take it this is a question? I’d say under the general law of democratic logic; you obviously can’t be allowed to run for government in a democratic system, if your policy is to do away with said democratic system. Self-explanatory…

    “Only because it is common sense that if they want to use that argument, they must abide by the laws of the very same body that illicited their existence. But they don’t, although it happens to be an international body.”

    Doesn’t that go both ways? Israel happen to abide by the laws of the UN by and large. Israels happens to be refuting the interpretation of resolution 194, and can certainly produce reasonable arguments for this. They are ignoring UN demands to stop illegal settling of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, I agree. The Palestinians and their Arab neighbours have been ignoring the UN-given right for Israel to exist since day one, a much, much worse offense. Put your own house in order, and the world will focus on the Israeli transgression.

    “How could it have been bought fair and square if it had been bought by no one? Kind of defeats your argument don’t you think?”

    I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here? Let me repeat myself: On land which they had owned for generations, had bought fair and square or was owned by no one… That is, land which has been in Jewish possession since before Islam had even been imagined. Or land that had been bought from Arabs (usually at e steep price, mind you). Or land that had belonged to and was claimed by no one.

    “We are talking about the ones who inhabited the land t the time.”

    Yes, about 1/4 of all Palestinians living today, if not less. The exact same argument you’ve just used against the Jews…

    “Just to show the tip of the iceberg”

    Lucky for you the Palestinian authorities refuse to even let someone START investigations such as the one you’re referring to. Which would you prefer; a system that is capable of exposing corruption in a government, or a system that gives the government absolute power to stop any such investigations?

    “To say that I have presented none, only presents your antagonistic nature”

    All right then, show me an example, ’cause I can’t for the life of me find one… Lots of unfounded personal opinions and one-sided arguments with little or no perspective, though!

    “Are you trying to get a job as an IDF spokesperson or something?”

    Are you trying to get a job as a Hamas hitman?

    “not knowing exactly how you (Adam B.) came into existence.”

    I know quite well how I came into existence – by a combination of my fathers sperm and my mom’s egg. It’s simple, really, and needs no interference from some imagined all-powerful god… in short, your post is nonsense. If you’re really interested in a lengthy argument, have a look at topics “All that’s old is new” post 32 and onwards, and “Fuckin hymens!” post 69 and onwards. I don’t feel the need to repost it all, so I’ll leave it to you to decide whether you find it worthwhile to read it and put up some proper arguments…

  384. There you are…were you catching your breath there young fellow?

    That after someone bulldozes your house, the natural reaction would be to try and return the favor

    ok..”Fair enough. So I take it you’ll also agree that when someone demands your destruction and tries to kill you and your family with homemade rockets, you retaliate in force?”

    Yes when your houses are bulldozed first, then the retaliation ensues. Am glad you finally understand where you are getting parts of your argument from.

    “Not that this in any way means that I consider Israeli authorities above covering up military mistakes; I just see their opponents as being ten times worse, nullifying their cries of foul play…”

    Yes you are right. Israel covers up military mistakes and much more. the problem is they are nationalistic and dont really see these as being mistakes.. There For they cover up crimes as well. After all, it is a war zone and tempers flair as you have said. Also it is a fact that some of the worlds richest families are Jewish and support Israel, such as the infamous Rothschild family or the many media moguls such as the Murdock family etc. It is only rational that if they really do support Israel, with all its glory and all its follies, then they become complicit in trying to save face for Israel, isnt it? I know you and I would if we were Zionist, wouldn’t you?

    I do admit that some of the conspiracy theories have been blown out of proportion concerning these families, but the basic under lying element of covering things up remains not only true but politically correct in Western society. Trying to convince someone of this does little good a trying to convince an atheist there is a God.

    “Which would you prefer; a system that is capable of exposing corruption in a government, or a system that gives the government absolute power to stop any such investigations?”

    Umm, that is easy. Anyone would choose a government that refuses to expose corruption rather than a government that exposes it publicly but continues to flaunt their good fortune and do nothing about it.

    BTW YOU only see others arguments as one sided because yours are typically even more one sided. Facts have been presented to you that Rachael Cory and many journalists have been killed in cold blood but you deny any such facts. When facts are presented that official are perverts you make comparisons OF FACTS BTW. It is always a matter of choice whether one believes something to fact or not and if you think BBC is fake and that there is no God. Then you have a very long way to go.

    Those threads contain nothing new. You believe that the universe and stars made themselves. Sorry, I can’t talk sense to someone who believes something like that.

  385. “Umm, that is easy. Anyone would choose a government that refuses to expose corruption rather than a government that exposes it publicly but continues to flaunt their good fortune and do nothing about it.”

    History proves you completely wrong Muslim. Look where your version has gotten the Arab and Muslim world. Where there is no justice, there is no growth or advancement. Where there is no growth or advancement there is at best stagnation and repression. Can you really expect a corrupt leadership to advance the lives of it’s people? Has Hamas bettered the lives of it’s citizens? No, they haven’t, they’ve made their lives far worse.

    Rachel Cory stepped in front of a D9T armored Caterpillar, not too pretty bright on her part, she committed suicide IMHO. I drive those machines on occasion. Even without armored cabs the vision of the operator is impaired. As an operator you make sure there are no people around you before you get in the cab, after that it’s up to the people on the ground to get out of the way. To even be on the same parcel of land with a D9T in operation is foolish beyond reason. To think that an operator can see you and to stand in the way of a working D9T is the height of stupidity, the operator never knew she was there, he couldn’t have known she was run over. To say that Rachel Cory was deliberately killed is asinine and ignorant. Rachel Cory was killed because she didn’t understand the stupidly blind risk she was taking. Play chicken with an unthinking piece of heavy equipment when the piece of heavy equipment has nothing to lose but you do is faulty judgement. Rachael Cory wasn’t killed in cold blood, she played chicken with a 107,550 lb vehicle that wasn’t designed to see a 100 lb girl in it’s path, she lost her life because of stupidity, clear and simple.

  386. Muslim @ 393:

    “Yes when your houses are bulldozed first, then the retaliation ensues.”

    But as we all know and history without a doubt tells us, the threat of extermination and all out attack from the Arabs happened FIRST…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

    The threat of extermination has not since been done away with by the Palestinians. Although I certainly don’t agree with the illegal settlements, I can perfectly understand the Israeli need to retaliate in force every time the Palestinians try to make good on this threat. No one in the world could be expected to act differently.

    About your next paragraph… I find it striking in the extreme that you would jump on my accepting the idea of Israeli military mistakes and cover-ups, and completely ignore my pointing out that the Arab side is much, much worse, making their/your complaints void. It’s very representative of your way of communicating; ignoring whatever facts that do not serve your purpose. It’s a very bad habit, one you should definitely try to get rid of…

    “Umm, that is easy. Anyone would choose a government that refuses to expose corruption rather than a government that exposes it publicly but continues to flaunt their good fortune and do nothing about it.”

    Uh, that would be a big NO, but your answer certainly goes a long way to explain why the Arab world is at the level that it is…! :D

    “YOU only see others arguments as one sided”

    I see your comments as one-sided because you – quite obviously – pick and choose which “facts” to consider and which to ignore. I see your comments as arbitrary opinion because you utterly fail to back them up with logical arguments, and when faced with these from your opponent either completely ignore it, resort to swearwords or change the subject.

    “Facts have been presented to you that Rachael Cory and many journalists have been killed in cold blood ”

    No, it has been presented that journalists have been killed during the fighting in the area, but no proof have been produced as to the intent (if any) behind the killings, or even who actually fired the bullets. Countless times, the kind of “facts” you’ve produced have proven to be deliberate falsifications by the Palestinian side, leaving me very doubtful each time a sympathizer accuses the IDF of assassinating foreigners. I have no doubt that the IDF have caused casualties among journalists; it happens in a warzone. I have very little belief in the IDF actively targeting journalists. On the other hand, there are numerous examples of Arabs specifically targeting journalists, even going so far as to execute them in the most barbarous manner for the whole world to see. Oddly enough, one never hears a peep from the likes of you about these atrocities… Those double standards again!

    “facts are presented that official are perverts”

    I don’t really care… As hard as it might be for you to imagine, I – being from the free western world – don’t really care about the private lives of other people. I don’t care whether they are gay or straight. I don’t care if they like to get whipped or prefer the missionary position. I don’t care if they get their sexual kicks with prostitutes, as long as they don’t break any laws. It’s inconsequential. You see it as a problem; I don’t, so why should I respond to your complaint? That’s all there is to it, really…

    “Those threads contain nothing new. You believe that the universe and stars made themselves. Sorry, I can’t talk sense to someone who believes something like that.”

    Of course they contain nothing new; they simply explain the universe as our brightest minds have been able to piece it together so far, and it all makes sense – most of the science behind these theories can be readily verified, and what little remains rests on solid circumstantial evidence. Can your religious views can be explained or verified in any way?

  387. Muslim, about Moshe Katsav and the rape charges…

    First, they’re CHARGES. You do know the difference between charges and convictions, right?

    Second, let’s assume they’re true, and the guy really is scum of the earth… That’s what we have the Israeli free press to expose and the Israeli court system to verify and take action against. See how that works?

    So basically, you’re complaining about a society that’s actually taking steps to punish wrongdoers? But of course, you’ve already admitted to preferring societies, where the guilt of people in power remains hidden…

    About rape in general, it’s not like the idea is totally alien to the muslim world:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091215/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_arabs_sexual_harassment
    Sam has already blogged on this problem…

    http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/757-Pan-European-Arab-Muslim-Gang-Rape-Epidemic.html
    Maybe a tad hysterical in it’s presentation, but the fact remains that this article reflects the attitude of young Muslims in the West pretty good…

    http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/07/21/2003179810
    The differentiation between Muslims and non-Muslims is pretty universal…

    http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=115654&version=1&template_id=37&parent_id=17
    …but then again, fear of reprisals probably keep the number of reported rapes down!

  388. Slam dunk Adam!! “Muslim” gets trounced again! Óow!! How long will it be before he shows up again without a proper argument or rhetoric?

  389. For Egyptians???????????????????
    STOP CHEATING, ALL THE WORLD SAW YOU DARK FEELINGS TOWARDS THE ALGERIANS,YOU ARE A DIRTY PEOPLE ,YOU KNOW ONLY HOW TO DANCE IN NIGHT CLUBS…
    ALGERIANS IS CIVILIZED PEOPLE I KNOW THEM PRETTY WELL…
    EGYPTIANS ALWAYS FEEL SUPIRIOR ON ALL arabs THE ARE ILL…THIS IS THERE PROBLEMS?

  390. Harassment across Arab world drives women inside

    Seems that the problem is an epidemic across the Arab world.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_ARABS_SEXUAL_HARASSMENT?SITE=CASRP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

  391. Make up your mind already Adam B. which is it?

    Who is it who’s wrong again? The non Jewish Arabs or the Israeli’s?

    To my understanding, you know Israel makes major mistakes but you basically feel that it is OK because Arabs make worse mistakes. Then you talk about logical arguments according to human psychology. Well from that perspective, a land was occupied by a major (outside) colonial power (Britain) then turned over to its inhabitants. But before that was implemented, more outsiders, who had never even seen Palestine (mostly European Jews) were allowed to settle in the land of Palestine, again, as outsiders. Anyone could have seen that this wouldnt go down smoothly and would create major problems. Choosing to implant the arch enemy in the midst’s of other people. As history has not been proven wrong, the illegal settlements,( the so called) accidental deaths of peace activists standing in front of bulldozers or journalists covering the story of the (KEY WORD) ILLEGAL bulldozing of homes, the displacement caused, and the there for (key word) illegal settling of land.

    You and Zionist advocates speak of democracy, furthering the development of their respective societies bla bla bla. But basically know, if there had been a democratic referendum on the issue, there would be no Israel at all. So you guys basically try and turn this around and speak of democracy and the lack there of.

    You never mentioned the cover up of “The mistakes of War,” by influential Jewish families, such as the Murdoch family, Rothschild family etc.

    Nor did you ever mention the facts that fb groups and videos (which dont lie) that expose such cover ups, mysteriously disappear from youtube etc. Don’t you know there are lobby groups that take care of these issues? there for the it is paramount that general consensus and opinion matters a great deal. That should prompt you to ask more questions. For example on how you arrived at the conclusion that Arabs started the hostilities. Also, wouldn’t it have been convenient if it were perceived that way?

    If I were trying to sway world opinion and had media mogul backing me up as well as people in the highest posts in their respective government. Jut having suffered a Holocaust, I would definitely make it seem so. Watch a movie called “Wag the Dog” for more on this.

    The argument that Arabs started the war now must stop because Israel is stronger, doesnt go a long way at all. Also if there was no Israel, Arab Jews would still be happily living in their respective countries.

    This debate could easily go on for ages. But you have to ask yourselves this. I it debate, for finding a common place of understanding? Or is it just plain pointless finger pointing and mindless unproductive blaming?

    Everyone has to admit that major concessions by all parties involved has to be made. Both sides calling the other terrorists is key for there never being a solution.

    I have taken a look at your arguments, so I just wanted to point out a few of ours.

  392. brooklynjon says:

    On behalf of Twosret, may I suggest that this thread return to its original topic, which is the fact that Algeria sucks.

    bj

  393. brooklynjon says:

    Algeria=suck

    bj

  394. Muslim @ 400:

    “Make up your mind already Adam B. which is it?

    Who is it who’s wrong again?”

    Make up my mind? Muslim, my world ain’t that black and white – I see faults on both sides, and I generally believe that no one group is absolutely “right” while another is absolutely “wrong”. Having looked at the facts at hand, I have, however, concluded that the Arab side of this conflict bears the larger blame for both it’s rise and it’s continuation. It was an Arab attack that started the conflict, and it is Arab refusal to accept the state of Israel that keeps it going. Illegal Israeli settlements are fueling the flames, but it’s a minor problem that could easily be dealt with if only the Arabs would de-escalate the tension and overcome their stubborn intolerance of others. LOL, “non Jewish Arabs”… I bet there aren’t a whole lot of Jewish Arabs running around! :D

    “You never mentioned the cover up of “The mistakes of War,” by influential Jewish families, such as the Murdoch family, Rothschild family etc.”

    Basically because I don’t know anything about any worldwide Jewish conspiracy… Rich Jews probably support Jewish causes around the world, much like rich Muslims support Muslim causes around the world. Or the US supports US causes around the world, etc. I see no reason to accept one while condemning another. I’ll gladly condemn any support of illegal activities, but in this category as in so many others, the Muslims seem to be in the lead…

    “fb groups and videos (which dont lie)”

    LOL! Are you kiddin’?!?!

    “mysteriously disappear from youtube”

    I have no knowledge of such occurrences. By their very nature, such things are hard to document, no…? I do see lot’s of anti-Us/anti-West/anti-Jewish vids all over YouTube, so I kinda doubt the importance of your complaint.

    “For example on how you arrived at the conclusion that Arabs started the hostilities.”

    That’s a matter of history. There is no historical doubt that the Arab neighbours of the newly founded and UN-approved state of Israel joined in an attack mere days after it’s birth. Likewise it’s a historical fact that pre-Israeli Jewish/Arab hostilities were mutual. Since no one can’t pinpoint one small, localized incident to be the catalyst of this entire conflict, I’ll settle for the major Arab attack on the infant state of Israel.

    “If I were trying to sway world opinion and had media mogul backing me up as well as people in the highest posts in their respective government”

    There are 1 billion+ muslims in the world. Most western countries have muslims as the major minority group. There are 47 muslim-majority countries in the world, most of which are closer to despotism than democracy, and each with their own state-controlled, muslim-biased news agencies. I think “you” have plenty of opportunity to sway world opinion.

    “The argument that Arabs started the war now must stop”

    Why? It’s a fact, and one that is darned important when reflecting on their present plight.

    “Also if there was no Israel, Arab Jews would still be happily living in their respective countries.”

    As dhimmis with limited rights… We obviously have different opinions on what constitutes “happily”.

    “I it debate, for finding a common place of understanding? Or is it just plain pointless finger pointing and mindless unproductive blaming?”

    Wise words, and ones that both sides should heed. It should be the first (and I believe I have many times stressed this myself) but unfortunately it usually ends up as the latter.

    “Everyone has to admit that major concessions by all parties involved has to be made.”

    Agreed. Wouldn’t actually accepting the existence of the opponent have to be the first and foremost concession? One that would have to be given before any other could be considered? My point, once again, is that the Arab side of the conflict have a lot further to go in reaching a middle ground than the Israeli side – most of it lies in a change of attitude.

    Good to see that you’ve brought your rhetoric up to a sensible level!!! B)

  395. Completely OT – I went to see a pre-premiere screening of “Avatar” yesterday…

    Fantastic visuals and CGI! Nice pacing in the presentation of the world of Pandora, it’s flora and it’s fauna, with one Phantom Menace-like rapid monster introduction in the beginning as the only slip-up. This movie is, visually, what all three new Star Wars movies SHOULD have been.

    Those were the good bits, and the one’s making it bearable to watch the entire nearly-3-hour movie… I’ll try to keep the following comments reasonably spoiler-free, but there’ll be a slip or two along the way; consider yourself warned!!!

    The story was banal in the extreme, with a ridiculous black/white portrait of the two sides of the conflict – the greedy, merciless “white man” humans vs. the indigenous noble savages, and the conscientious scientist/environmentalist group as the military stooge which (of course) in the end choose the “right” side at the risk of life and limb. Clichés abound, from the kill-crazy space marine right down to the hero getting the chieftains daughter in the end. Dialog is cheesy, and as a result the actors have very little to work with, resulting in mediocre performances at best. Particularly Giovanni Ribisi is totally wasted – his character is pretty much Carter Burke (of “Aliens”) without the sleaze and double-crossing. What a waste of talent!!! In fact, the entire story can pretty much be described as “Dances with Wolves” + “Aliens”. We’ve even got a Vasquez-clone in the form of pilot Trudy… Argh!!!

    Be prepared for leaps in logic (sending out the main character as the sole patrol guard with no briefing of the hostile flora and fauna whatsoever?!?!) and preachy, grade-school morals throughout the movie, and just enjoy the visual spectacle – it’s definitely a movie to see, but DO set your brain on stand-by before putting on those 3D-glasses…

  396. Well somewhat true..except for …”I bet there aren’t a whole lot of Jewish Arabs running around!” Go to Israel you will find many. As well as in Morocco and Yemen.

    …”I do see lot’s of anti-Us/anti-West/anti-Jewish vids all over YouTube, so I kinda doubt the importance of your complaint.”

    Well at least you said kind of, meaning there is a spectrum of hope still lingering. It actually ha everything to do in the war to win over public opinion. leave the videos and groups which contain no factual evidence and delete the ones that do.

    …”That’s a matter of history. There is no historical doubt that the Arab neighbours of the newly founded and UN-approved state of Israel joined in an attack mere days after it’s birth.”

    You forget the documented fact that Jewish gangs were enacting terrorist vigilante justice before the creation of Israel, calling for the creation of the state. A very deciding factor in my opinion of the root cause of the conflict, and why the Arabs didnt care very much for a Jewish homeland which had initially been forged through such a matter. Just common sense man.

    ….”As dhimmis with limited rights…”

    Well that was the case in the minority of Arab countries but not the majority where some even held office.

    ..”“Everyone has to admit that major concessions by all parties involved has to be made. Agreed. Wouldn’t actually accepting the existence of the opponent have to be the first and foremost concession?”

    Not, if it is inn the Arab mindset that calls for a Jewish homeland were justification of the enemy blowing up British and Arab conscripts. Hence the ludicracy and impossible situation, that Arab conscripts who were helping the British, who had neighbours killed by radical Jewish gangs, of suddenly having to accept them a neighbors after they were already at each other throats. Try to see it from that point of view for a moment (concessions).

    ..”Good to see that you’ve brought your rhetoric up to a sensible level!!! B)”

    Same to you :)

  397. Jewish Arabs? Really? I’ve heard of Arab Jews (Jews living in Arab countries) but never Jewish Arabs… I kinda had the impression you had to be born into a Jewish family to be a Jew. I know of Christian Arabs (I have some in my family) but never Jewish ones… I’ve gotta look into this subject some more.

    “and delete the ones that do.”

    But of course the 1 billion plus muslims out there would have copies of these vids and post them on mirror sites. Or put up sites of their own, right? Nah, it’s still way too far fetched and smells of conspiracy theory and bad excuses…

    “You forget the documented fact that Jewish gangs were enacting terrorist vigilante justice before the creation of Israel,”

    No, I emphasized that both Jews and Arabs committed documented and undocumented violent acts against each other before the formation of Israel, but pinpointing one precise act to be the catalyst for the larger Arab/Jewish conflict would be impossible, so the reasonable thing to do is look at the first incident of national hostility, the Arab attack on Israel…

    “Not, if it is inn the Arab mindset…”

    Meaning that, in your opinion, the Arab side can justifiably call for concessions without having to accept an Israeli state… And you can’t see the contradiction in this?

    “who had neighbours killed by radical Jewish gangs, of suddenly having to accept them a neighbors after they were already at each other throats. ”

    This goes for Jews, who had neighbours killed by Arab gangs, as well. Such is life. Both sides have blood on their hands. Both sides need to look inward. Both sides need to bring sacrifices for peace. Only one side has yet to accept the presence of the other, though…

    “Same to you”

    ;)

  398. Off to an extended weekend in Prague, so no posts or responses until tuesday…

    Cheers everyone!

  399. Enjoy Prague Adam, we were there two years ago. The gluwein was outstanding!! I wish I could remember the name of the restaurant where my lovely bride and I both got a wonderful meal of salad, wild boar, potatoes, bread and a huge mug of that wonderful Czech dark beer for $9 US, gratuity included!! Next time we’re skipping Paris and going straight to Prague!!! Have a great trip!

  400. Algeria sucks ass!

  401. Well hope you have a safe and enjoyable trip Adam B.

    Now back to topic for your return..

    I really do understand your point of view and admit there is a lot of vaildity to what you are saying, but as you said, things arent as simple as being black or white. So I really hope you’ll conceed to take a thorough look at my perspective as well. I am not trying to patronize you, just please give it a fair chance.

    I sincerely do believe Israel and her advocates (mainly the Israel lobby) do flex their mucler and remove videos and take down groups all the time. They are hard to find but here is one til it disappears as well..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjYHP91gA&feature=fvw

  402. “Both sides need to bring sacrifices for peace?”

    Not until the Israeli’s pave the way since they are the superior power militarily, at home and in the entire region. Starting to make such concessions can only start once they see that what they are doing also has its faults. By admitting what you just mentioned above, instead of the battling to sway public opinion in order to continue to systematically do as they please….

    It is not an issue of military superiority as much as it is an issue of across the table concessions. Israel calls the continuation of the conflict terrorism, but they are allowed to retaliate without being called terrorists because of their statehood. OK fine, fair enough, but I believe the Palestinians have something called statehood now a days as well, in some shape or form. But that doesn’t really stop Israel from surgically occupying parts of this said state. As you said, not very productive.. making it seem that they in fact could care les about peace since they have the military strength and all the nukes.

  403. -a lot of the problem lies within holy Christian Zionism which takes things a little too far.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ib_VJKSYZQ&feature=related

    -There is a huge bias towards the 1.3 billion Muslims of the world, especially through out the media.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2qUd4c8OEw

    -This is what Islam really represents:

    Helping Jews, as we respect all religions and we genuinely know what the other Abrahamic religions represent. The difference between them and Islam being a hairs width.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diz3FqI4Tpg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPxJ5NdELyo

    Please visit http://www.salaamshalom.org.uk to see more :)

    :) May we all venture in peace

  404. Muslim and Adam,

    I share the initial sentiment of Muslim that there is far too much extremism going on within both sides of the conflict, resulting in his belief that they are destined for hell. Also agreeing with Adams views regarding the gross mismanagement of pro Arab argument. Initially agreeing to both arguments that it is not a simple as black and white. Aa balanced mind should be able to see an off set of grey whose shade is determined according to ones own barometer of ones own personal empathy and dispositions. However picking a side is more common than not.

    However there is no doubt in my mind there is an awesome pro Israel PR machine at work behind the scenes ensuring an international pro Israel status quo at best, much to the dismay of the poorly organized pro Arab movement.

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/aug2006/abc-a10.shtml

    But no side is without blame, as one side just happens to be better at it than the other.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_coverage_of_the_Arab-Israeli_conflict

    Plus the side with the best organizational skills, military force, money, usually has the greatet sway over public opnion, in the is case it is Israel.

    Dissent within both sides of the conflict has created another conflict within the conflict itself. Giving extremist right wing views precedence over more moderate views, endlessly fueling the entire conflict

    Examples of these views:

    Calling for the complete anihilation and destruction of Israel oppossed to one and two state solutions.

    The making of a majority Jewish homeland by way of expulsion of Arabs and the refusal to uphold International agreements and refusing the right of return to millions of Palestininan refugees under the assumed sub text of ensuring security.

    International law clearly states;

    UN General Assembly Resolution 181 orders that “Independent Arab and Jewish States…shall come into existence in Palestine”. Israeli founding father and author of Resolution 181 Abba Eban claimed that Israel “tear[s] up its own birth certificate” when it ignores UN resolutions.

    Prolonging the conflict:

    Israel disregards the following UN resolutions/International Law provisions:

    UN General Assembly Resolution 194 calls for “the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property” not naming either Palestinian refugees or Jewish refugees. Palestinians hold that this resolution should allow for the Palestinian exodus to return to their homes in Israel. Israel has blocked the return of these refugees and confiscated their land as “absentee”.

    UN Security Council Resolution 242, adopted after the Six-Day War, emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,” and calls for “withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict” and for the recognition of the “sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force”. These territories occupied included the Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, West Bank and the Sinai Peninsula. The Palestinian Authority intends eventually to establish a state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Israel maintains control of the West Bank and maritime/aerospace control of the Gaza Strip.

    The Fourth Geneva Convention forbids an occupying power from confiscating occupied land and transferring its own population to that territory.
    UN Security Council Resolution 446 declares that the Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories are illegal.

    Historical treatment of Jews in the Arab world:

    Many Muslims and contemporary western historians assert that Jews were treated better by Muslims than by other rulers who persecuted them. One pertinent example is the mass expulsion of Jews from Spain after the fall of their last refuge there, the Muslim kingdom of Granada in 1492. This resulted in the migration of Jews (especially those fleeing the Spanish Inquisition) to the Ottoman Empire, including the present-day region of Israel and surrounding areas. Authoritative works summarizing Jewish treatment within Muslim lands written by Jews have concluded that although occasional violent persecution did occur, it was not systemic nor continuous and substantially better than treatment by Christians in the pre-modern era. (Lewis, 1984)

    Some Arabs maintain that there is nothing wrong with Jewish immigration into Palestine, in itself, any more than there is with Jewish immigration into any other part of the world. But in their view the Zionist immigrants arriving in Palestine from the late 1800s on did so in course of a plan to take it over and establish a Jewish majority state, in some cases by force; they consider this to be colonization of Palestinians’ land, made possible not by Palestinian self-determination, or even consent, but by British (and to a lesser extent Turkish) fiat. This process led to what they regard as an expulsion by Zionists of the majority of the indigenous Palestinian population in 1948, and continues today with Israel’s ongoing expansion of settlements. Palestinians also decry what they see as the inherent inequity of long-standing Israeli laws on immigration where, according to Israel’s Law of Return, a Jew born in, say Stockholm, may immigrate to Israel and gain automatic citizenship and elect to live anywhere he chooses, including East Jerusalem, whereas a Palestinian born and raised in Jerusalem and forced to leave as a refugee of war may not return to his home.

    Some Palestinians[who?] feel that the Jewish state of Israel was established under conditions that were deeply unfair to them. Palestinians do not oppose a Jewish state as such, but all Palestinians feel that it should not have been established at their expense. They argue that after World War II – and, indeed, after World War I – the world allowed a state for Jewish people in Palestine to be established without much concern for the existing indigenous Arab population. Accordingly, Palestinians were forcibly expelled from their homes by Jewish militias before and during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war (see Palestinian exodus.) Those who remained in Israel face various forms of discrimination, such as housing and employment discrimination. Many job opportunities in Israel are open only to those with previous military service, typically non-haredi Jews, Druze, Circassians and Bedouins. Those who do not serve in the IDF (typically Israeli Arabs and haredi-Jews) are denied those opportunities.

    Some Palestinian Christians[who?] are of the opinion that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has led to the diminishment of their population[29][30]. Others, like Abe Ata are of the opinion that American Christians have “turned their backs” on them by supporting Israel. Some Palestinian Christians[who?] have said that Israel does not give them permission to visit holy places in Jerusalem.

    They see these illegal occupants as the source of tens of thousands of deaths, and millions of refugees. Some claim that trusting the international community to help them to get their rights back is useless, suggesting that, in recent history, as long as Palestinians were peaceful no state made any serious efforts to solve their problem. In their opinion, only when other countries see Palestinian problems as causing problems to themselves do they help Palestine.

    They also argue that the civilian deaths caused by their operations are dwarfed by those dismissed as “collateral damage” caused by the full scale military campaigns done by various world powers. Some see the innocent deaths caused by such operations as regrettable, but as an only option to solve the problems of millions of Palestinians. Furthermore, they point to the use of violence against non-combatants by most other independence struggles, including, they say, the American War of Independence

    There are currently 246,000 Jewish settlers living in settlements in the West Bank, not including 200,000 Israeli Jews who live in annexed East Jerusalem. Ongoing settlement development and growth are major reasons Palestinians claim the peace process has failed, and the issue figures prominently in the larger narrative of the Arab-Israeli conflict among non-Palestinian Arabs [39].

    These settlements are off-limits to Palestinians and other Arabs, while any Jewish citizen of Israel can at any time choose to settle there. To monitor and control Palestinian movement, Israel has established 50+ checkpoints in and around the West Bank. As well, recently, Israel has begun construction of a controversial West Bank barrier. Palestinians complain that these measures greatly restrict their movement and are often humiliating, while Israel asserts that they are necessary for security. Palestinians also point out that Israel accelerated the expansion of settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip throughout the Oslo peace process.

    In 2002, Saudi Arabia offered a peace plan in The New York Times and at a summit meeting of the Arab League in Beirut. The plan is based on, but goes beyond UN Security Council Resolution 242 and Resolution 338. It essentially calls for full withdrawal, solution of the refugee problem, and a Palestinian state with its capital in East Jerusalem in return for fully normalized relations with the whole Arab world. This proposal received the unanimous backing of the Arab League for the first time.

    Regarding ethnic bigotry in the U.S.; while stereotyping of many other groups is no longer rampant, many people believe that Muslims and Arabs, in particular, continue to be vilified and victimized by crude attacks. There is also strong influence by Zionist organizations on elected officials in the U.S. political system (see AIPAC as one such example). It has also been argued that the U.S. continues to support Israel in order to have a strong foot hold in the region for their own national interests, politically and economically.

    The PLO fled to Tunisia and waited there, in a relatively quiet exile, until the 1987 Intifada erupted (along with Hamas) and brought the Israelis to the table in Spain and then in Oslo to allow the PLO to return. For Sharonism, the return of the PLO was a hiatus – its departure was always on the cards. When all reasonable opposition is squashed, what else must come but the suicide bomber? The suicide bomber is not a result of some malady in Palestinian or Islamic culture, but it is the end result of an ill-fated policy since 1967 to render the Palestinians without the means to craft their destiny. This is not to say that the Israeli people deserve what they get. Far from it, it is to say that Sharonism produced the terrible social conditions that led to this impasse. Sharonism, via the Jordanian army, the Falange and the IDF, went after the left Palestinians, thereby creating a vacuum filled earnestly by groups like Hamas. Sharonism is the end of debate, because it went after reasonable people with its weapons, produced a desert of political opinion, and then used that as an excuse for further barbarity. Meanwhile, the Palestinians continue to suffer and the US pities Sharon for his dilemma.

    The US-Israeli Union:

    The architect of Sharonism is not just Sharon, but also US neoconservatives like Irving Kristol, who just over a decade ago wrote, “A Palestinian state in Gaza would be nothing more than an armed camp for intransigent irredentists who would be at permanent war with Israel. Why should Israel agree to any such scenario? It won’t, since it would only end up having to occupy Gaza all over again. The million or so Palestinian refugees — by now mainly children and grandchildren of the original refugees — did not come from the West Bank, have no family connections on the West Bank, have no memories of the West Bank.”[xvi] These Palestinians, in words similar to Golda Meir, have no right to belong, since they don’t exist. This is the ideology of Fortress Israel – barricade oneself behind the IDF and inflict enormous pain on anyone who may try to resist your armed might. This is all very well as a Sharonist doctrine for those who live in Israel, but why does the US support Israel regardless of its outlaw actions (against Resolution 242 of the UN that asks it to leave the Occupied Territories) and the difficult position it leaves the US’s Arab allies in the region?

    Drawing from the cultural images of anti-Semitism, some speculate that it is the “Jewish Lobby” in the US that is to blame. Not only is this factually hard to verify, but it does not sit well for a Marxist framework (groups do not simply buy their influence, as the liberals argue, but certain classes exercise control over the state form and its managers structurally operate on behalf of or at the behest of the dominant classes). As most electoral and campaign dollar data shows, the “Jewish Lobby” tends to lean toward the Democratic Party, so why do the Republicans operate on behalf of Israel as well?[xvii] The Republican Party has very close ties to the petro-Sheikhs, mainly because it is a party soaked with oil money and oily men: from Bush and Cheney downwards. Bush’s Energy Secretary, Spencer Abraham, is an Arab American (the first ever) and Bush has a long history of friendship and partnership with Arab businessmen. In 1990, Bush made almost a million dollars in a deal bankrolled by the emirate of Bahrain (Harken, a tiny Texas company that had Bush on its board, won a contract in Bahrain against the giant Amaco, mainly because of Bush’s contacts with his father, the then President).[xviii] On the board of Harken, beside Bush, was Talat Othman, recently hauled in for questioning by the US Justice Department for being an important figure in the Islamic charities it had raided. Othman, who offered the benediction at the Republican National Convention in 2000, joined up with Republican strategist Grover Norquist and Khaled Saffuri to create the Islamic Institute to draw conservative Muslims into its orbit. The Bush family and the Republican Party are knee deep in the mire of two kinds of fundamentalism: the market variety and that peddled by the mullahs and the priests. So why does the US back Israel?

    The US, which hitherto had been only a partial “friend” to Israel, became a firm ally after the 1967 war. In 1958, Eisenhower forged a deal with the Saudi regime so that the defense of the peninsula’s autocracy became part of the US’s national interest. The US government made a strategic alliance with the forces of militant Islam to undermine both Communism and Nasserism, mainly to protect the oil lands from the left (and the Soviet Union). Brigadier Abd al-Karim Qasim’s coup in Baghdad in that same year demonstrated the instability of the US alliance with the monarchies (this would be repeated in Iran twenty years later). When Israel showed that it could be the gendarme of US imperialism, money and military equipment moved to shore it up. Sadat, the liaison between the Egyptian army and the right-wing Muslim Brotherhood, made a bargain with Israel at Camp David (1978) and became the second largest recipient of US aid. The US support for Israel essentially brought this renegade Arab state in line, this after Egypts initial defeat of Israel in the 1973 war. US support for Israel, then, is not just for the preservation of a Jewish State (if it is that at all); it is mainly as a wedge to discipline the petro-Sheikh allies. Additionally, Israel offers US allies like the Sadatian regime in Egypt (now in Mubarak’s hands) the opportunity to pretend to be pro-Palestinian and yet, pro-American: the leadership can fulminate against Israel, tell the “street” that it is with the people (represented among the Arab masses by the Palestinians), just as it stands in line before the trough of US aid. US investment in Israel, therefore, is marked by a measure of pragmatism and racism. Racism because of this widespread establishment idea that the Arab is not to be trusted; pragmatism because if you have one loyal ally in the region, then you can use it to ensure that the others (such as Saudi Arabia) stay in line.

  405. brooklynjon says:

    Carpet Captain,

    You are correct. I noted that Algeria sucked, but was mute as to what exactly it was that they sucked. You correctly added that the object of their sucking was ass. Thank you. :-)

    Algeria sucks ass.

    bj

  406. Muslim:

    Right, I’ve sat down and seen your vids…

    From 410: He starts out by pointing to the fact that the video has previously been removed due to terms of use violations; it probably was, seeing as how the author probably didn’t conduct the snippets of interviews himself, and likely didn’t ask for permission to use them. Personally, I don’t see why anyone would censor the vid – it just shows a lot of haphazard shots and parts of interviews. None of it is shown in context or supported by facts in any way; it’s hard to determine what the original commentator was referring to in many cases; others just showcase the opinion of random people, many of which do not express anything but a concern for the welfare of the US. What am I to make of that? I could easily find people with the opposite view on the situation – would these opposing views cancel each other out? We see drawings of torture positions, and are told that these are practiced by the Israeli. Well, that could be the case, but it could just as well be lies. I’ve seen plenty of footage showing muslim torture (even executions) which far exceeds what is shown here, however – why is there no reflection on this in the vid? Could it be that this vid is just plain, blatant, one-sided propaganda?

    On 411: “Not until the Israeli’s pave the way since they are the superior power militarily” You don’t see how convoluted your logic is? In order for the conflict to deflate, the stronger side should relinquish? Why? It’s the weaker side that is loosing – the further the conflict goes on, the worse off the Palestinians are going to be. The Palestinians are the one’s suffering because of the conflict, not the Israelis (not as much, anyway). In fact, the Israelis would increase their own suffering by releasing their stranglehold without first ensuring a more peaceful attitude from the Palestinians. A conflict is ALWAYS resolved by the weaker party “letting go” first.

    “but they are allowed to retaliate without being called terrorists” Yes, that’s what lies in the term “retaliation”. It’s a response to an aggression. If Israel reacted without a previous Palestinian aggression, their actions would shift into the state-terrorism category. As it is, there is no shortage of Palestinian aggression to respond to…

    “But that doesn’t really stop Israel from surgically occupying parts of this said state” Of course not – the Palestinian state has never retracted their declaration of war on Israel. Israel is occupying enemy territory, and can only really be expected to retreat from these territories once the aggressor has admitted defeat and resigned itself to peace.

    “they in fact could care les about peace since they have the military strength and all the nukes.” Well, they can, can’t they? Unlike the Palestinians, but even so, they seem to care as little about peace as the Israelis despite being mainly on the receiving end in this conflict. Very odd…!

    From 412: First vid, I see a presentation of a ridiculously small minority of Christian lunatics. I fail to see how this is particularly interesting…? There are numerous feverishly religious societies around the world, representing probably every major religion in the world today – why should this particular gathering give me any pause for thought? The average westerner gives little thought to these weirdos – their claim to any political power is negligible at best (worst?), which is probably more than can be said of their Muslim counterparts…

    Second vid, I see a (seemingly) muslim man hold a speech condemning the fact that, when Pakistan developed it’s first nuclear bomb, it was called an “Islamic bomb” and wondering why the first American bomb was not called a “Christian bomb”. Sigh, another piece of braindead Islamic propaganda…

    First, who called it an Islamic bomb? Why, the muslims themselves, of course! Benazir Bhutto, to be precise.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,920461,00.html

    Classic muslim tactics to change history and facts to serve their need…

    Second, why would the first American bomb be called a Christian bomb? The US is a multi-cultural country, and several of the leading scientist working on the Manhattan Project were Jewish… Again, classic muslim tactics of facts and claims with little rhyme or reason.

    Third vid, I see praise for a Muslim man, who helped save Jews during WW2. So, is this such a spectacular story? 99% of the Danish Jews were saved by the actions of ordinary Danes, after the Germans sent out the order to round them up for deportation… 99%!!! Saved by civilians by their own initiative. The fact that the man in the vid was a Muslim shouldn’t mean a thing, other than the fact that he was capable of showing human compassion. If anything, this vid is sad in that it can only show the initiative of a single muslim to save Jewish lives… Where are the stories of help on a national scale? Personally, I don’t doubt that many more stories like this have taken place; I just find it sad that Muslims seemingly have to dig out such an old and obscure story in order to show that they have a human face – why is that even necessary? Shouldn’t you be able to point to the present day and show that you respect Jews and indeed all other religions?

    Final vid, I see a young man trying to present Islam in a positive light. I see no problem in this (other than my atheist resistance to any life controlled by religion), but his efforts pale against the everyday experience of the average westerner, who must face Muslim terrorism and lack of tolerance on a worldwide scale, and skewed Muslim crime statistics and lack of integration on a national scale. Actions speak louder than words…

  407. Egypt blocks Gaza freedom march on its soil.

    U.S. Support of Israel goes very deep, indeed:

    http://psysr.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/socialization-of-a-war-society/

    Until we, in the US recognize the absolute evils that we support, and until we in the US vow to un-elect any in our Congress who are compromised by the Zionist-military/industrial lobbys, there will be none of the Change that Obama promised to the World in Cairo. We can start by notifying all but these 36 legislators that they need to look for other employment!

    http://psysr.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/socialization-of-a-war-society/

  408. We even funded Bin Laden at one time.

  409. Israel has the most powerful weapon on earth

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7–1wBdXhPM

  410. It is Kosher to Boycott Israel not wipe it out!

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/jews-plan-israels-boycott

  411. Ra @ 413,

    Very well researched my friend. But you can’t conclude that the Palestinians desire to get rid of Israel once and for all to not be a proportionate response in terms of ideology, in light of all that you just exposed, Can you?

  412. @ Our macot :) LOL

    Blind is the world indeed.

    “Shouldn’t you be able to point to the present day and show that you respect Jews and indeed all other religions?” The vast majority of Muslimss do, contrary to your beliefs.

    “why would the first American bomb be called a Christian bomb?” No one said that it should be, where did you get this from?

    “Classic muslim tactics to change history and facts to serve their need…” A fanatically racist and shrude predisposition if there ever was one!

    “I see a presentation of a ridiculously small minority of Christian lunatics. I fail to see how this is particularly interesting…? ” But of course you fail to see the relevance as it represents the core of fundamental Christian bigotry. You don’t have to believe in God to be a bigot.

    This one takes the trophy :)

    “their claim to any political power is negligible at best (worst?)”

    Ever heard of the Bush administration?

    “care as little about peace as the Israelis despite being mainly on the receiving end in this conflict. Very odd…!”

    Odd? Lmao!!!

    “the Palestinian state has never retracted their declaration of war on Israel.”

    Holy shit….READ!!! Ever heard of Abbas and the P.A.? Why do you think there is a conflict between the P.A. and Hamas?

    “Israel is occupying enemy territory, and can only really be expected to retreat from these territories once the aggressor has admitted defeat and resigned itself to peace.”

    LMAO again @ the aggressor :)

    Where do you get your facts from Wikipedia and the media LOL :) ?

  413. @ 417, 418, 419

    What else is new?

    :)

  414. DWDS #420,

    My point was to agree with “Muslim” that Zionists and Fundamentalists, along with the governments that support them should all rot in hell. And to also bring light that no side is free of any blame, that it is quite ridiculous to try and exonerate the other side, as some people try to do.

    Even though Adam for example states, in #415: “I could easily find people with the opposite view on the situation – would these opposing views cancel each other out?” Yet insists that otherwise and doesn’t see the irony here.

  415. @ #423
    So in that case every government in the democratic world should rot in hell? my my, what a little anarchist we have here! The irony is very lost on you, my friend.

  416. oh and, btw, i don’t give a shit about football either. sport of champions, ha.

  417. brooklynjon says:

    blah blah hate, blah blah rot, yada yada

    Meanwhile, Tedders and I had a lovely rice-based meal – Afghan rather than Sushi – with gluten-free beer. And where was Twosret? Where was Mohammed? Certainly not breaking Kabli Palow with us. Who knows where they were. And DWDS, if you can ease up on the hate a little, I’ll be happy to feed you. I suggest Bukharan grilled meats. Or this lovely Azerbaijanian place I know. Wonderful fish. I bet Twosret would like it, though I would probably not get the Nile Perch there.

    Come and join is. I’ll chill a bottle of the sorghum-based beer of your choice for you.

    bj

    Oh, and Algeria Sucks Ass, right CC? ;-)

    P.S. CC, EgyP, you guys are invited too. For you, this cool kosher Egyptian place on Kings Highway!

  418. @ rodiggidy governments don’t always represent their people you know (but of course you don’t). Peace treaties and mock anti-anti-semitism-lol-abound. Arab and Muslim governments round up Muslim fundamentalists all the time, (Egypt and Pakistan for example). However that is not indicative of half the world (you only wish!!). And if AMERICA ONLY KNEW..Well let’s just hope for your sake that they don’t.

    Yes bj, continue to stuff your faces without guilt :) while your IDF protects illegal squatters in the West bank etc.

    But hey, then again..if you act like the problem is not there, maybe it will go away (only in your dreams).

  419. brooklynjon says:

    DWDS,

    So, you want me to go on a hunger strike until the IDF stops protecting illegal squatters in the West Bank? Or should I eat, but feel guilty about it. Or, am I supposed to just avoid eating sushi with Twosret until there’s peace?

    I’m confused.

    But one thing’s crystal clear. And that’s the fact that Algeria sucks ass!

    bj

  420. Mr Adam and other pro Zionist anti Arabs who accuse people of making up facts. You are the ones making up the facts.

    Here is the most agreed upon account of the origins of the Israeli Arab conflict.

    http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html

    Serfs they (the Jews) were in the lands of the Diaspora, and suddenly they find themselves in freedom [in Palestine]; and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause, and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination.”

    Zionist writer
    Ahad Ha’am

    “Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French…What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct…If they [the Jews] must look to the Palestine of geography as their national home, it is wrong to enter it under the shadow of the British gun. A … See Morereligious act cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb. They can settle in Palestine only by the goodwill of the Arabs… As it is, they are co-sharers with the British in despoiling a people who have done no wrong to them. I am not defending the Arab excesses. I wish they had chosen the way of non-violence in resisting what they rightly regard as an unacceptable encroachment upon their country. But according to the accepted canons of right and wrong, nothing can be said against the Arab resistance in the face of overwhelming odds.”

    Mahatma Gandhi

  421. brooklynjon says:

    “The Jews are a persecuted people worthy of world sympathy and India sympathises with them. They are energetic, intelligent and progressive. The Arabs are a great people with a great history and therefore if they provide refuge for the Jews without the mediation of any nation, it will be in their tradition of generosity.”

    Mahatma Gandhi

  422. BJ @ 430,
    Since according to the quote you’re demanding a level of generosity requiring the Palestinians to have willingly and joyfully left their homes and land as a show of sympathy for an oppressed and persecuted people (the Jews of Europe), as an outcome of a European barbaric action and phenomenon (The Holocaust and anti- Semitism) that the Palestinians had nothing to do with.
    By the same logic, wouldn’t a waaaaay lesser generosity and sympathy demanded from Israel is to allow those oppressed and persecuted people (the Palestinians) to come back to the their homes which they left as an outcome of the ethnic cleansing unleashed by The Hagganah, Palmakh, Stern and Irgun terrorism.
    One more thing, shouldn’t like Germany be the one punished? Not the Palestinians.
    And another thing, about providing refuge for the Jews. Guess which countries for centuries did provide that refuge whenever a German or French or Spanish or English king woke up in a bad mood.
    Happy new year man.

  423. brooklynjon says:

    Mohamed,

    I’m sorry you weren’t able to join Tedders and me for sushi. And I hope you and yours have a prosperous and happy and PEACEFUL 2010.

    What’s interesting, and unsurprising to me in that quote from the Mahatma is that he addresses not the Palestinians, but the Arabs. While he is not available to clarify his remarks now, I believe he did so because though he clearly recognized a national/ethnic group known as “Arabs”, he did not recognize a national/ethnic group known as “Palestinians”. As such, he was proposing that the larger Arab nation might find a small area where the Jews – substantially from Arab areas to begin with – might congregate and exercise a little sovereignty. In the process, some Arabs would move, and in the process, some Jews would move (from Arab lands in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, etc), and all would remain in balance. What happened instead is that each side had people who were forcefully dispossessed of their land and property. Although you may prefer to emphasize the victimhood of those people you favor, please recall that this happened to each side, in roughly comparable numbers.

    And yes, Arab countries were quite tolerant to Jews in the time before World War I, but you present this as though the only side that benefited were the Jews. Of course, the benefits of tolerance are a two way street.

    And should Germany be punished for what they did? Yeah, they probably should. Actually, some random Germans and Poles and Russians currently possess property that was stolen from my family. Wanna come with me and kick some ass? I’m thinking about launching a campaign of blowing up German school buses, Polish Pierogi shops, and taking down the occasional Aeroflot airplane so I can get great grandpa’s house back. And if I can’t accomplish it, I’ll indoctrinate my kids with hatred so that they can devote their lives and their children’s lives to attacks on unsuspecting Germans, Poles, and Russians. It probably won’t accomplish much, but it’ll feel good, and maybe I can get the UN to send me some aid. You in?

    bj

  424. brooklynjon says:

    And Algeria will continue to suck in 2010.

    bj

  425. “the benefits of tolerance are a two way street”, couldn’t agree more BJ.
    One of the most nostalgic things in my imagination about Egypt in the 20s, 30s and 40s ( wasn’t alive then, I’m not a vampire), but from my grandparents stories and the movies made at the time, is how cosmopolitan Cairo and Alexandria were, and how the presence of such large Greek, Jewish, Italian and Armenian (don’t really miss them, there’s still plenty of Armenians in Egypt today) communities contributed to that, and believe it or not, the ones I miss the most are the Jews, if not for anything else than their good taste in food (Sushi is a no no man), from my experience here in the US, time after time, whenever you’ve got a city with a high percentage of Jewish population, whether Brooklyn, Queens, Palo Alto, or Berkeley the quality of food improves exponentially that you can choose almost any restaurant randomly and most probably the food would be great (unless the place serves Mexican, Chinese, Vietnamese, Bolivian, Cuban, Phillipino, Indonesian or Nepalese food, nothing can help these places).

  426. looks like Mohamed is very limited in tastes as well

  427. brooklynjon says:

    So Mo, when are you coming my way? Tedders just visited and we ate English, Tajikistani (all good except the meatballs), Italian, Afghani, and the second best flourless chocolate cake I’ve ever had. I promise not to drink your blood, shrink your privates, or any of the other things we Jews get accused of from time to time. I’d invite Twosret also, but I’m afraid she’ll hit me. I’ll need Tedders for protection from her. Gluten-free beer is optional.

    bj

  428. BJ,
    Heard about the blood drinking thing, first time I hear about nut shrinking though, but to be honest, that’s one hell of a super power to have, absolutely guaranteed to keep anyone in line. I’ll totally keep that in mind next time I argue with you about Israel and Palestine.
    Tajikistani???? I’ve tried Azerbijani (and totally forgot to put it in the no no list above), I guess Tajikistani would be similar, but I might be wrong. Sorry man, won’t see NY till the summer, maybe if you drop by SF and bring Twosret along, you can never go wrong with Italian, unfortunately I’m banned from the place that serves the best food in little Italy.

  429. brooklynjon says:

    Warning: The following link has a fairly graphic photo. My children are specifically under orders not to click it.

    Here ya go, Mo!

    http://www.viceland.com/int/v15n2/htdocs/penis_panic.php

    I gotta hear the story about the Italian restaurant. Too bad it wasn’t a fish and chips joint. Then you could brag you made it onto the “No Fry List” :-)

    bj

  430. “(all good except the meatballs)”

    It’s very difficult for me but, … I’m just going to leave that one alone!!

  431. brooklynjon says:

    Yes, you’ve been rather testy since eating it.

    bj

  432. Zionism is in the wrong and even the God forsaken Zionists know it. Trying to make believe that the Irgun, Haggana, Palmakh and, Stern gangs didn’t start their frenzied campaign of genocide is ridiculous.

    Zionism relies on provoking the Arabs into madness in order to try and play the victim card.

    It is really amazing how my entire comment was deleted because it contained the well researched and undisputed truth on the origin of the Israeli Arab conflict.

    I will have to repost it.

  433. “Yes, you’ve been rather testy since eating it.”

    Let’s not get balligerent !

    Algeria sucks!

  434. brooklynjon says:

    Tedders,
    Face it, the Tajikistani meatballs were not like other meatballs I’ve had. In fact comparing the Tajikistani ones to the others, I’d have to say there was a vas deferens between them.

    bj

    Algeria still sucks.

  435. But the Tajikistani dolma’s and kabob’s were wonderful!!!

    ; D

  436. Life is too short for bad beer. :-)

  437. Again tedders @ 442, you need to wisen up and improve your own literary skills before belittling that of others. It’s spelled belligerent not balligerent.

    Just saying you know :)

  438. Ra @ 441, welcome to the recycle bin of internet blogging. Rarely will you find a more ridiculous platform for nuisance-like-nuances.

    Israel sucks!

  439. And you, the grammar school grammar mistake guy, the syntax stumbling student, the ill catch phrase using eighth grade level writer is the self appointed grammar/spelling police now? LOL! Your inflated sense of self-importance and delusions about your level of knowledge are all too apparent DWDS.

    It was an inside joke DWDS, I wouldn’t expect you to understand.

    Happy new year anyway!! :D

  440. meatballs

    balligerent

    do ya see the pun now genius? ;D

  441. Marie Claude says:

    hey Monkey, Algeria is selected for southern Africa
    funny, the players speak a better french than our suburbans

  442. brooklynjon says:

    DWDS @447

    “Israel sucks!”

    I regret to inform you that your comment, though clever and informative, is not following the main thread of this blog post, which is the suckiness of Algeria. Failure to stay on topic in the future will result in the summoning of Twosret, who will steal your hat and start a game of keepaway (which is incidentally called “Salugee” in New York, and I believe nowhere else). In the event of serial offenses, your earmuffs will be taken as well, and you will be pelted with stuffed grape leaves. Remember, Algeria sucks, and leave it at that. I’m just looking out for you.

    bj

    P.S. Algeria Sucks.

    P.P.S. Yo Nomad, wassup?

  443. Marie Claude says:

    hi Jon

    it’s freezing cold here, our wises were right to remove the carbon tax !

    are you happy with your great appeaser, the big O ?

  444. I won’t use the terms, “undisputed truth” or “Blind is the world indeed”. Just watch the videos and argue the issues point by point. Is that too much to ask?

    LOL!! just saw #443 BJ!! ROTFLMAO!!!!

    Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcHEN7o4cbo

    Part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSgtvA9lWi0

    Part 3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8aRxhjYEko

    Part 4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjwJfOM0EB0

    Part 5
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WUqvhNasB8

    Part 6
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XNCCn1Woc0

    Part 7
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb-3bORhVwk

    Part 8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baUNtNzWgU8

  445. Holy fuck tedders, you are hopelessly retarded aren’t you?

    First off, do you really think it is appropriate to make further grammatical errors while trying to draw attention away from your own literary follies?

    “the ill catch phrase using (,) eighth grade level writer is the self appointed grammar/spelling police now? LOL!

    Ever heard of a freaking coma?

    Otherwise the sentence makes no sense, unless you are trying to prove yourself as the run on sentence champ of this blog.

    Where did you get the extreme cognitive dissonance and psychological projection from?

    “Your inflated sense of self-importance and delusions about your level of knowledge are all too apparent DWDS.”

    You made my night :) Usually when accusing someone else of something, you yourself are guilty of, it has a tendency of blowing up in your face doesn’t it? :)

    Precious :D

  446. brooklynjon says:

    MC,

    Oslo can have him!

    bj

  447. “has a tendency of blowing up in your face doesn’t it?”

    Only in your mind Sandy. What year did you graduate from grammar police school?

    Your inflated sense of self-importance and delusions about your level of knowledge are all too apparent, you still don’t understand the inside joke.

  448. “Ever heard of a freaking coma?”

    And you have the chutzpah to police other peoples spelling? LOL!!! You make it too easy. You might want to consider returning that grammar police diploma! Me thinks you must be in a coma or some similar state of semi consciousness caused by injury or disease.

    coma1 definition
    coma (kō′mə)
    noun
    deep, prolonged unconsciousness caused by injury or disease
    a condition of stupor or lethargy
    Etymology: ModL < Gr kōma (gen. kōmatos), deep sleep Sans śamītē, to work, prepare, Gr kamatos, fatigue, effort.

    comma definition
    comma (käm′ə)
    noun
    a mark of punctuation (,) used to indicate a slight separation of sentence elements, as in setting off nonrestrictive or parenthetical elements, items in a series, etc.
    a slight pause
    Etymology: L < Gr komma, clause in a sentence, that which is cut off < koptein, to cut off capon, shaft.

    Hoisted by your own petard, yet again! You are soooo easily setup and soooo easily knocked down for the crowds enjoyment!

    Let’s get back to debating the subject of this post instead of dancing around your straw man and ad hominem attacks. Algeria sucks!

    Happy new year my friend!!

  449. Wow you know how to copy paste what a coma is, too bad you don’t know how to use one pfwaa haha hee :D

  450. Still harboring ill will with your psychological projection & delusional (Sandy) bouts of cognitive dissonance I see.

    “You make it too easy.” LMAO!!! Make what too easy exactly, what in God’s name are you projecting this time? Is there a bout going on that I am unaware of lol? Perhaps one that you are overly burdened to express you are winning? – Whiiiiinning is more like it :)

    Even if there was some sort of a battle going on, it’s obviously only in your Noggin, scarred by Sand Ape’s flawless Houdini act after setting you up for the kill. Anyone can see he has left you to bask with your demons in your own excrement of fermented hate. Like the ol’ saying goes; [If you can't beat em' join em' But if you can't join them, then at least pretend that you beat em' and beat em' good lol] even if you have to describe yourself. Examples: “Hoisted by your own petard, yet again! You are soooo easily setup and soooo easily knocked down for the crowds enjoyment!” Still replaying in your mind what Sandy did to you I see?

    Not to add injury to insult, but perhaps you should quit while you are ahead instead of Maliciously ad hominizing-lol yourself. All Texas-big-hat & no horns!!

    You are too tethered tedders,

    teth·er (tr)
    n.
    1.
    a. A rope, chain, or similar restraint for holding an animal in place, allowing a short radius in which it can move about.
    b. A similar ropelike restraint used as a safety measure, especially for young children and astronauts.
    2. A rope, chain, or similar restraint for holding one, especially an animal, in place, allowing a short radius in which one can move about.
    3. The extent or limit of one’s resources, abilities, or endurance: drought-stricken farmers at the end of their tether.
    tr.v. teth·ered, teth·er·ing, teth·erers
    To fasten or restrict with or as if with a tether.

    Nice choice of a handle BTW, I have to give you that :D

    Israel is the one that sucks Algerias nut-sack :)

  451. Good one DWDS, you totally remind me of Sand Ape. But to tell you the truth I am starting to feel a little bad for teddy.

  452. LOL!! So witty Sandy, what’s next? I’m rubber you’re glue? Feel badly for yourselves Sandy and MuMuHaMMaD, everyone else here does.

    psychological projection
    cognitive dissonance
    excrement
    fermented hate

    Sandy’s signature childish words. You’re not fooling anyone Sandy.

    Happy new years children!

  453. By announcing the delusional projection that you speak for everyone and with absolutely no proof what so ever that D is Sand Ape [ who tiddled your widdle :) ] You are not only engaging in the most extreme form of psychological projection, cognitive dissonance and making an imbecile of yourself, you are basking in your own excrement. Inevitably hoisting yourself up by your own petard, only to fall flat on your face. Combined with your poor grammatical skills and Texan ego, sure have a keen tendency to flawlessly repeat history.

    Israel sucks Egypt and Algeria’s balls

  454. LMAO!

    Holy Cow tedders, you have some really weak comeback’s.

    Ya Muhammad, I am starting to feel sorry for him to. After all, he is the one who invented projection, who better to know about it?

  455. You guys are pretty funny

  456. Hmmmm what does it take to bring SM back?

  457. LOL!! you guys are funny!! not too bright and suffering from coprophilia but you are very funny to watch!!

  458. Everyone is fun but you tedders, you are the one getting smacked around quite nicely here. BTW where do you find these disgusting words to make personal attacks on people who do not necessarily subscribe to your views or commend you for them by scratching your belly, eh you soar pooch? Obviously words like coprophilia, reserved for those with a severe vice; a word which I wouldn’t even want in my vocabulary, which you gleefully use to describe your inner disgust within the sanctum of your inbred perceived omnipotence. Or should I say inbred sanctimonious omnipotence, same thing :)

    Tell you want Obama girl, you may call me sand Ape now too.

    Warning: DO not tick tedders off or he WILL call you Sand Ape as that is all the little poor souls brain can muster from all the confusion.

  459. You are right boys he is utterly hopeless

  460. Don’t be trolled in by him Ra, he is already hurt enough by D, him needlessly trying to insult you is proof enough. He’s just one of those Zionist elitists who actually believes he is in the right LMAO~

  461. Muzdims

    you lot still shit your pants when you hear my name? I’m comming back for a visit maybe this time I’ll skull fuck Cairo, muslims still fucking dumb as bricks the centuries haven’t made any of you brighter.

  462. Oh great, more trolls…lol

  463. I’ve read your posts little boy are you familiar with the expression pot calling the kettle black in english, cause you really seem to meet the criteria for slobbering beneath the bridge dwelling troll.

    What is the deal with all you muslims naming your kids muhammad, can’t think of anything else? not really a creative people are arabs….. explains the lack of invention, innovation, patents, good art, Nobel prizes, prizes of any kind, any real contribution to humanity at all. The UN agency responsible for monitoring such things, says although there are approximately the same number of Spanish and Arabic language speakers in the world (270 million), more books are translated into Spanish in a single year than have been translated into Arabic in the last millennia!

    That’s an embarrassing stat…. hey? So what is it the inbreeding to many cousins doin’ the nasty we all know that causes lots of genetic defects (looking at your post muhammed… your mom and dad were brother and sister) or is it the don’t think/obey religion … the only people who beat arabs for inbreeding are pakistanis, both muzdim …hmmm I wonder is there a conection explains the whole god will love me if i blow everybody up thing, it’s a diseased mind from serial inbreeding by muslims … so to stop terrorism we just have to get muslims from having babies with family members problem solved fuck I’m a genius… maybe not not even I can think of a way to stop arabs from fucking their cousins … maybe if we put out more sheep

  464. LMAO I’m glad it burns you so much Troll Hoolagin..welcome to the haters club putz!

  465. Whoa! I was way off this time…where is the SM??

  466. I don’t hate arabs, little buddy. or poor muzdims I pity them, big difference

  467. Well we don’t pity you Hulagin. We get a kick out of clueless motherfuckers like yourself. LMAO at your inability to extend one of your your jerk off fingers or even the one you lick after picking your nose with, to simply type into google; just how much Islam has in fact contributed to science, literature, astronomy, math etc. you behemoth ignoramus. FYI less than a quarter of Muslims are Arab.

    Jeesh, how I hate tobacco chewing inbred redneck dumb fucks.

  468. LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF @

    Hulagu Says:
    January 11th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
    Muzdims

    you lot still shit your pants when you hear my name?

    As if……

    HA HAH HA HAH

    Bring it don’t ssing it troll :X

  469. With nothin’ to say you really talk a lot hani, and TYPIN’ WITH YOUR CAPLOCKS ON REALLY GETS YOUR POINT ACROSS. YOUR ENTIRE LITTLE RANT ON MY NATURE AND CHARACTER FROM SO LITTLE to go on .. I guess typical muzdim, don’t know anything you can always bullshit and make it up. Like all these fantasy contributions to science, literature, astronomy etc… like arabic numeral fuckin joke they’re hindu numerals…. arabs just like to take credit for other peoples’ creations. Most of the great contributions arabs like to claim occurred when massive non-muslim populations still existed in countries recently conquered the muzdim hordes but even imaginary accomplishments of islamic “civilization” were what… 5 hundred years ago. What have you bitches done lately except perfect suicide bombing and making women wear tents

  470. Bring it dont sing it troll..

    How about we put you in a tent you Red Neck Dumb Fuck..

    Eat shit and die :) Troll

  471. just got nothing to say, eh? It is really sad what islam has done to muslims, really sad… It would have been better for every one if old Hulagu had just destroyed completely the idiotic belief system that is islam, the arab world would probably look more like functional democracies, with descent standards of living rather than the impoverish shithole policestates the poor arab people live in now

  472. Hani, don’t feed the trolls.

    Turns out Zionists are the most cunning thieves this side of the millennium. They try and provoke you Muslims and Arabs into forgetting the main frey of land theft and tactical displacement. So stay focused guys

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szp7hXBuTCw&NR=1

  473. The best historical summary of what has happened yet.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJksjPALbqY&feature=related

  474. Thanks Berlin, that video went a very long way in answering pro Israeli’s all over the world. Shame on the oppressed becoming oppressors.

    Welcome to the blasphemous blog, for social aberrations and moral deviance, where you will commonly hear people talk of having tea and sushi while supporting the making of little orphans.

  475. Ra @ 480 – BULL’S EYE!

  476. Yeah it’s because of Israel and Zionists that the muslim world consistently ranks at bottom of every conceivable measure of human civilization. 7 million Jews oppress just about 300 million arabs. truly fucking pathetic.

    On behalf of the entire Mongol horde… I would like to apologize for not wiping these cockroaches out, I mean completely destroying the sickness of islam back then, My cock up… I’m sorry

  477. Hey wannabe haluga boy, are you talking about the Mongols who all eventually converted to Islam he he LMAO

  478. Hello keyboard warriors

  479. All you egypchiens morons go fuck yourselves. Keep on barking….We don’t don’t give a fuck!!! VIVE L’ALGERIE assholes.

  480. This is to all egypchiens haters out there…Fuck you morons. Algeria won and all of you stop barking. EGYPT SUCKS! VIVE l’ALGERIE!!!!

  481. DWDS @ 421:

    “The vast majority of Muslimss do, contrary to your beliefs.”

    Do they now? Then how come Islam demands that all non-muslim be treated as second rate citizens? How come Saudi, arguably the religious center of Islam, criminalize the very practice of any other religion save Islam? How come terms like “christian dogs” and “jewish pigs” are so commonplace in the muslim world? Don’t look like respect to me…

    “No one said that it should be, where did you get this from?”

    As I explained, the dude in your own vid link said so… Can’t you read? Don’t you even watch your own links before posting them?!? :D

    “A fanatically racist and shrude predisposition if there ever was one!”

    No, simple observation… If I claimed that muslims have a tendency to bow down and pray most days, would you call that racist as well…?

    “as it represents the core of fundamental Christian bigotry.”

    It most certainly does not! Please tell me where you’ve seen Jesus express anything like this?

    “Ever heard of the Bush administration?”

    Yes. Your point being? You won’t find any out of this bunch in the Bush administration.

    “Odd? Lmao!!!”

    Yes, quite odd… One would expect the one getting pummeled to be the most interested in stopping the conflict.

    “Holy shit….READ!!! Ever heard of Abbas and the P.A.? Why do you think there is a conflict between the P.A. and Hamas?”

    Yes, I have read, thank you very much. In 1993, the PLO and Israeli government signed a declaration of principles, that is a document explaining how Israel and Palestine should work towards a peace treaty. See the difference? Besides, after Hamas came to power, even this declaration is worth little more than toilet paper…

    “LMAO again @ the aggressor”

    Yes. As has been determined numerous times before, the surrounding Arab states (and the Arab Palestinians along with them) declared war on the newly formed state of Israel, making them the aggressors…

  482. After their loss by 4, the fucking crazy Algerians are out in France burning cars, breaking stores windows and stealing products as usual.

    The whole political establishment and the public hates these terrorists.

  483. Oh yeah, a 4-0 win for Egypt over none other than their WC-nemesis Algeria… Fancy that! :)

    WTH?!? Algeria ends up with 8 men on the pitch? :D

    “He (Goalkeeper Faouzi Chaouchi) was fortunate not to have been sent off earlier when, disputing Egypt’s penalty, he grabbed the Benin referee Bonaventure Coffi Codjia by the collar and head-butted him.”

    :D !!!!

    “Nader Belhadj landed … a straight red card and a possible two-match ban, possibly ruling him out of the opening game of the World Cup.”

    :D Priceless! I wish I had seen this match!

  484. 4-0 yeah baby!

  485. I only read BJ and Tedders on the whole “Indian” issue. I have noticed since this is an *~international~* chat thing going on, it is best to not confuse and/or insult a culture without knowing the *general* terms. I’m more surprised someone didn’t correct my grammar…isn’t it five-year-old?

  486. Hey, thanks Adam B. for defending me…I think. I’, a working girl. I don’t have time to read all of this cut/paste, but thanks for the kindness, Adam:)

  487. brooklynjon says:

    Claire,

    Indian issue? I only pop in from time to time to say that Algeria Sucks. Just a little too much vitriol coming from certain quarters for my taste.

    bj

  488. The stupid Algerians wanted will be dissapointed by this news:

    http://www.echoroukonline.com/ara/sports/47724.html

  489. BJ-
    yep, even if you insulted me, I don’t care…I get the whole hatred/vitriol thing, so I just pop in from time to time as well.
    I just remember someone insulting “Indians” awhile back. They meant Native Americans, I am quite sure, but terms get confused. Why insult more cultures than necessary?

  490. You know what?? Is this thread actually following the original topic?
    Please don’t make me read all of it ;)
    Wow…..that is new for me:):):)

  491. Please Enough with this Hatred!!!

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  493. DZwoman says:

    FIFA finally came out with sanctions against the hords of bastards that came out throwing stones at the Algerian bus like a fucking reenactment of Spartacus!! FUCK EGYPT!!

  494. Adam B. says:

    http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article/2010/06/23/violences-a-paris-apres-la-defaite-de-l-algerie_1377828_3242.html

    Here we go again… It seems to be a regular obsession with the Algerians in France!

  495. interesting. egypt is bad. :)

  496. Screw egypt!

  497. I remember when I played soccer. I scored 1,000 goals one game. now that i recall it, I don’t remember playing soccer. As a matter of fact its stupid, and i hate it. You guys are all nerds. Get a life