They say that all revolutions follow the same cycle: They start in the winter, they heat up in the spring, they lag in the summer, and then you have the fall of the counter-revolution and the final battle for the future. If that cycle is to be believed, then again, the Egyptian revolution is ahead of its schedule, and we are still going through hyper-time. Events are accelerating ahead of schedule, and fatigue is getting to all of us. This is very evident in the national mood in Egypt now.
We are all talking to each other, but we are not listening to one another. This will bite us in the ass, no doubt about it, and yet no one really cares. The “non-revolutionary” population are sick and tired of the revolutionaries, who they view as nothing more than hooligans without a plan, while the average revolutionary response to “regular” people’s dismay or distrust is that they’ve always acted this way, ever since February. The “regular” people are always unhappy, but offer no realistic solutions or talk about the real problem objectively, so why bother? And this is why this revolution is the only revolution in history where the Revolutionaries had to convince their people, time and time again, that they are on the same side. And even that has stopped.

And beyond all this lies the truth that this revolution isn’t a bunch of unemployed, unhappy spoiled kids and poor people in Tahirir Square; it’s a violent reaction to a problem. And it’s not just one problem; it’s a set of problems that are detrimental to our country as a whole and that the majority chooses to ignore. Corruption has reached unprecedented levels in Egypt, accompanied with its cousin inefficiency, and the general consensus was this: every one minded, no one did anything about it. They simply adapted, and thought only of today, until the day came when the country moved as one.

But corruption isn’t the problem that the revolution is the reaction to. The real problem is the relationship between the citizen and the state, on every level you can imagine: from the concept of legal justice and how the legal system should function, to the concept of personal rights, to the concept of services provided (education, healthcare, etc..) and their quality, all the way to economic, social and urban planning, which are all missing or dysfunctional. And this isn’t new and it shouldn’t come as a surprise to anybody. It was all not addressed for the longest time, and when it was addressed it was done in the most reactionary way possible. There was no accountability, hence there was no advancement. More than anything, this revolution is about holding your government accountable, and unfortunately your only weapon, to ensure that some accountability is achieved and some progress is made, is pressure through demonstrations. Still.

Sorry Mom… Sorry dad….. Sorry General population: we don’t mean to upset you by confronting you with your problems. If we only we can just wish them away.

You are forced into this game of Tahrir, where the general population just wants peace and quiet while change only happens through pressure applied there. So, you always end up going there because that’s the pattern and you want this to stay peaceful, but you are always victim to organized attacks there by “thugs”. Always. And as time goes by, you find yourself getting accustomed to street battles, while your peaceful protests get you nowhere, so you start thinking that maybe, just maybe, peaceful protesting is no longer working. So you get dragged into one more violent confrontation after the other, while the media screams, “See, look, they are thugs. They can’t be trusted”, and some believe them while the others just watch in dismay as the illusion of the “peaceful revolution” starts dismantling before their eyes. All the while, the revolutionaries lose public support, are filled with fatigue, hysteria and in-fighting, like the protagonists of some psychotic Greek tragedy, they are continuing in their journey, as their compatriots keep falling left and right, half-way getting that the security apparatus is simply drawing out the battle to weaken them over time, so that when the time comes, they have their absolute victory, kill the revolution and we are back to business as usual.

If only it was that simple…

Here’s the rub: this is not about the protesters. If we all die, or get sent to jail, it won’t make an iota of difference, because, in reality, we are not the problem. The problem will continue existing regardless of us because people will no longer take mistreatment or abuse from the police or the army. The problem will continue existing because even the poorest most uneducated Egyptian gets that something is wrong and needs to be changed. And with the eventual death of the concept of “peaceful protesting” as a means to achieve our demands, another type of not so peaceful protesting will become more popular. It’s only, as always, a matter of time.

I have said it a million times: This revolution happened to prevent another revolution, one that will be much more violent and one that we all see coming. All of our demands were geared towards diffusing that powder keg, and as they don’t get achieved, our ability to diffuse it becomes null. This is not fear-mongering. It’s simply reality.

So please don’t blame us when that happens. Everything we have ever done, and all that we are doing now is ringing the alarm, hoping to wake you up to help us resolve this before it’s too late. We are pushing and fighting for Police accountability, because we can’t live in a country where the police can torture and kill its people and walk away. There is no pride in belonging to such a country. And we don’t know what to do, but the police are rogue, the courts are a sham, The SCAF is either unable or unwilling to even remove the people that killed jan25 protesters from their positions of power, and the system works for no one. We are stuck in this vicious cycle, and in the end something has got to give. They are counting on you hating us, on you reaching the inevitable conclusion that maybe, just maybe, we deserve what’s coming to us. And maybe this is why we stopped talking to each other. We have taken different paths now, and we don’t even insist on bringing each other along anymore.

One day this will all be over, and this whole drama will be nothing but a distant memory of a time when the whole world was on fire, and the future seemed no longer as a promise, but a threat. Hopefully we will both be there, in a country that has finally healed, and has a future. And we will get there, not because the revolutionaries are right or smart, but because of one inescapable historical truth, that has been proven time and time again over the past 2000 years: You cannot oppress your people for long, for they are always too many for you to control forever. Eventually that coin flips. You can count on it.

68 Comments on Lacrimosa

  1. Iulia Bullough
    July 5, 2011 at 12:42 am


    It’s a fight for democracy. I lived the Romanian revolution – it took 10 years to really get some freedom. You have to organize and fight.

    In Romania the army and secret service removed Ceausescu when they saw the outraged masses/ revolutionaries and then a socialistic regime was put in place making people believe they

    The army and secret service were smart enough to improve themselves. They retired secret service agents who were compromised., gave them funds in some cases to start businesses and told the other ones to behave. And they totally changed the way they treated the public.

    Same thing as the attempted cleaning of Tahrir was planed and successfully implemented in Romania, however people believed in their liberties, human rights and continued to fight for their rights. It’s a fragmentation and manipulation based on rumors that’s happening.

    Militantnews on twitter has also revolution and union experience. I am more into applied history – history repeats itself. I told you before, Democracy organizations will be willing to help you. Let me know if you come to Canada to visit – there are good organizations here also. You can always sent me an e-mail or tweet questions. Even Anonymous on twitter can help you – they are helping now the greek revolution.

    Good luck


  2. Tallulah
    July 5, 2011 at 12:57 am

    Well said. Now, tell it to all those people who are not on Twitter or online. Egyptian people need to read what you write about this revolution. Your voice is one of reason amidst the building chaos, but it’s not reaching those who really need to hear it.

    A thought: the new newspaper, Tahrir, might be one forum. Would they publish your rev. blog posts? What about other major newspapers? There must be at least one that would run your posts, unedited.

    Yours is a voice that needs to be heard by more than just protestors and tweeters, if only to provide a balance to what is being broadcast by others.

    For what it’s worth, we who are watching from the sideline are still cheering for Egypt. Like you said, eventually all this struggle will be history, and when the dust settles, Egypt will be free.

  3. Reen
    July 5, 2011 at 5:28 am


  4. yogi
    July 5, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Your revolution should begin with teaching the population to read and write and then teaching them about the foundations of a free society: individualism, human rights, separation of religion and state and so on.
    The problem is that these concepts are so foreign to Islam (at least as currently interpreted by the dominant MB), you will sound like an evil Western agent.

    Also, isn’t there an Arab saying: “Better a 100 years of tyranny than one day of chaos”? I bet you are hearing that a lot…

    • hhhh
      July 6, 2011 at 4:27 am

      yogi says:
      July 5, 2011 at 9:00 am
      “Your revolution should begin with teaching the population to read and write and then teaching them about the foundations of a free society: individualism, human rights, separation of religion and state and so on.”

      Best comment yet, since the revolution started.

    • brecon
      July 13, 2011 at 2:03 pm

      I agree, though it’s hard not to sound eurocentric. A 19th century arabic thinker, ad-din al-Afghani, had some really interesting ideas about how to promote a fairer society in the Arabic world, which, unfortunately, were largely ignored (and still are!) this article – – is quite good for some background. fingers crossed for Egypt!!

  5. perlova
    July 5, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Love what you wrote!!!! very true and super intelligent!!!

  6. maryann
    July 5, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    Mahmoud, I think this is one of your best articles ever. Very to the point

  7. ellen
    July 5, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Dearest monkey, it may be more common than you suspect that revolutionaries must convince the change-fearing, stability-clinging, corruption-adapting, short-term-limited-vision masses that the cause of revolution is just and vital for all (see ‘Easter Rising, Ireland’ just one of many 20th c. examples). You are not alone, please take solace from that, although it does not make your task any easier, to be sure. You are rightly clear-eyed, regardless, that the road grows murkier at the stage you’ve entered mid-revolution, but you, your comrades and the historic Egyptian (and Tunisian) revolution will prevail. Take heart, monkey – you’re a brave and courageous man, as are the men and women of Tahrir with you. All over the world we applaud you and send our heartfelt prayers for your steadfastness and perseverance as this most trying period of weariness and counter-revolution unfolds. Be strong and valiant and patient, you will succeed.

  8. eatbees
    July 5, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Man, every single post I’ve read of yours since the revolution began is just super-perceptive. I do hope you get through.

  9. Iulia Bullough
    July 6, 2011 at 1:14 am


    I got an idea. In Egypt you have a large army and police. In large cities introduce rotations where policemen will switch jobs with military for 6 months for example. It is good job training and the other policemen can learn from the military person assigned to the unit. Also human rights manuals for the police can be set up including examples of what is not acceptable and they should be evaluated for promotion based on how they respect human rights.

    Also, set a police ombudsman (complaint office) and whenever there are more than 2 complaints for a policemen set a process where the policeman is transferred to the least desirable locations in the country. You need first free press in which to publish important human rights breaches stories. You can set up your own newspaper (there are a few people who create newspapers on twitter, two examples are @ToneyBrooks, @jeanpolochon). I am sure you will easily find donors to help you print the newspaper (could be two pages only and you can get advertisements money) for the people who do not have an e-mail or do not use computer. If it is a pdf file you can ask local revolutionaries commitees to print it and distribute.

    In Romania another step was the use of miners (separate group, which had good benefits and easily manipulated by the police/ secret service) to come and clean revolutionaries from the square and beat university students. This is similar with the copt/ muslim conflicts in Egypt which are set up by the current government who wants to stay in power. A lot of Romanians did not buy the three foreign language fluently speaking miner (stopping the press from filming) to be a real miner – a lot of egyptians will also see the truth.

    It is important to set up a party or join a party now for the elections and set up a group of people to help you (you will have to report on electoral fraud at least for the first election).

    If you are vocal and in contact with democracy groups outside Egypt you will be successful on long term. You may be able to get one of the organizations to send a full time democracy consultant to Egypt that you and the police can use for training.You have the emails of the people who offered to help you in February, e-mail them and see how everyone can hep.
    Maybe history teachers in Cairo can print articles, record lectures about what is allowed and not allowed from a human rights point of view.

    Things will not go back to where they were and Egyptian army has promised to the US, UK and others that they will support democracy. You have to push them while at the same time be prepared to start a full revolution (organize revolutionary committees, plans to fight in Tahrir and mobilize everyone if the govt/ police call your bluff again). You should keep in touch with the Tunisian revolutionaries, some of which are in government already and know the issues from the govt side also.

    The Libyan revolutionaries have a good PR system on twitter (they have to counteract Gadafi) – Egypt should have something similar – some twitters should dedicate themselves to certain PR issues.

    It is possible that the police, army have the same issues as you mentioned above, maybe you should try and have more dialog with them- ask them for a customer service representative, someone to call if revolutionaries get arrested or you notice irregularities.

    Best regards,


  10. Iulia Bullough
    July 6, 2011 at 1:30 am

    I just found this article on twitter: Déjà vu in Tahrir – The FP Middle East Channel by Dr. H.A. Hellyer, a fellow of the University of Warwick and the Institute for Social and Public Understanding, currently based out of Cairo. The article is saying the same thing you are saying:

    “The clashes last week reveal the deep confusion which now grips Egypt over where to go next, what type of constitution to have, what the military does or does not plan to do vis-à-vis elections, what steps are or are not being taken over bringing elements of the former regime to justice, what moves are happening to alter the deep inequality that exists between the rich and the poor…and more. This unresolved confusion was, and still is, just waiting to bubble over into conflict. For disaster to be averted, Egypt’s leaders, both those at present and those who will hopefully take over in September, must move decisively to answer these urgent questions.”

  11. hhhh
    July 6, 2011 at 4:31 am

    Egypt party leader: Holocaust is ‘a lie’
    BUDAPEST — A leader of Egypt’s top secular party says the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were “made in the USA,” the Holocaust is “a lie” and Anne Frank’s memoir is “a fake” — comments sure to roil the post-revolution political debate in the Arab world’s most populous country.

  12. Steven
    July 6, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Stay with it SM. Your country needs you as do a great many of us in the world who are counting they will listen to your words

  13. Publicola
    July 6, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Thanks for what your are doing and for what you have done – from the bottom of my heart.

    Publicola (Germany)

    • Mona Abou Hussein
      July 7, 2011 at 9:23 pm

      Dear Sandmonkey ,
      Well this is a great interpretation to all the problems taking place in Egypt !! You are analizing the problems , but who are your audience ? How many reader are you targeting ? We are 87 million citizens ; 45 million are illiterate and poor ..Do you think they comprehend your message ? Coming here today, do you have a hidden agenda ? You are fighting for the youth ‘s future who you are one of them..Losing the future is not like losing an election or a few points at the stock market !!You are speaking for all generations to come..We teach kids in schools how to behave in the world , not to fight with others , to work things out , to respect others , not to hurt other creatures , to share and to have a VISION ….We usually say , ” You are what you do , not what you say .”I challange you , please , make your actions reflect your words..!!
      Thank you.

  14. ella
    July 8, 2011 at 6:28 am

    We usually say , ” You are what you do , not what you say .”
    Well. Mona. IF that is what you teach Egyptians and Egyptian children they did not learn.
    The taxi drivers and people talk about corruption and how bad it is and at the same time they demand bribe-money themselves.
    There was talk about cleaning the stuff, but the street are dirtier then before the revolution.
    The Egyptian leaders talk about truth but at the same time the Washington Post writes that they say holocaust and concentrations camps were lies made by (I assume) self-hating Germans.
    Couple of months ago SM was claiming that the religious party people (aka Salafi and MB) do not count for much in the new Egypt.
    But he changed his mind.
    I guess if he changed his mind about things, Egyptian people can change their mind about Revolution. They probably have more immediate needs ….like the price of bread.

  15. Sherif
    July 8, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    The comparison between the Romanian revolution and the unrest in Egypt is completely irrelevant because Romania is part of the stable and prosperous Europe, while Egypt is part of the unstable Middle East.
    I will just shed the light on some important facts about the Egyptian situation. The economy in Egypt has been under extensive reform for the past decade, and the Egyptian people were finally able to fill some of the huge gap between their developing nation and the technologically advanced western nations.
    Let’s not forget that Egypt has gone through 5 wars in 30 years, and the damage was tremendous and the need for stability in order to achieve the badly needed long term development programs was a priority. Stability was restored while the whole region suffered from invasions, millatry assults, civil wars, arm races, occupation and terrorism. The stability by itself was viewed as a treasure because it paved the way for permanent development for a country with rapid growing population and limited resources.
    Now, Egypt was finally able to hit a record high of the economic growth rate, and was even planning to aim for the double digit growth rate like China. As good as it seems, the west always has a different idea, and suddenly Washington and the NATO decided that the people of the Middle East are in dire need for democracy and freedom.
    For breakfast, I will have two scramble freedoms with extra crispy freedom of speech.
    Egypt, Syria, Tunisia, Bahrain, Yemen and Oman suddenly call for the removal of their historical leaders seems suspicious to me. The NATO bombardon of Lydia makes my suspicions even reasonable.
    It’s the new world order and the new formation of a middle east in which there will be no place for a one united strong Egypt, but rather 3 or 4 little easy to control egypts. There will be no place for huge Saudi Arabia but rather east and west, etc…
    It’s obvious now that what seems to be a loud cry for freedom is actually a war on Islam and I will recall what ex-president George. W Bush said after the 9/11 ” the world will never be the same”, and “I will bring the fight to the enemies territory”. It does not need a political analysis to tell you who is the enemy and where is the territory. The enemy is indeed Islam, and the location is Tahreer square and everywhere else in the Middle East from Casablanca to Baghdad.
    It’s a new Christian crusade covered by the bright labels of freedom and democracy, but I have no doubt that Arabs and Islam will prevail. And the crusaders will go back to Europe defeated and sorry for their unlawful and dangerous game.

    • thewiz
      July 9, 2011 at 2:16 am

      So your saying that Romania had a big advantage over Egypt? Egypt has two huge drivers of economy; the Suez Canal and a tremendous tourism industry. And the Nile is a great source of economic activity in its own right. And most importantly, Egypt has a proud people with a long tradition of culture and a history of successful world leadership.

      What did Romania have? They were a bankrupt country, raped and pillaged by its Soviet overlords for nearly a century. And like Egypt, it also had a very corrupt governing system and a ruthless dictator. And they were never a world power or had a strong cultural base. The one advantage they had was the power structure that was imposed from afar collapsed, allowing them a shot at freedom.

      You are right that this “Arab spring” has its roots in Bush policies. He knew that the only way to stop Islamic based terrorism from continuing to corrupt the suffering youth in the Muslim world was for democracy to take root.

      For decades, those countries had been based on a symbiotic existence between the dictators and the radical clerics. The dictators encouraged the clerics to spew their hatred for the western world because it kept the masses from realizing that their desperate problems were caused from within. And the clerics went along with the charade because it gave them a power base they otherwise would never enjoy. Both utilized the benefits of a controlled media and massive corruption to maintain their power structure.

      Only democracy would break the cycle of the dictatorial/radical cleric reign. Only democracy, with its attendant freedoms of press, speech, assembly, and diversity of ideas and opinions would allow people to finally determine what shackles retard their progress and how to address these constraints. All those people in all those countries you listed heard the Siren call of freedom and reacted. They saw freedom and liberty take root in Iraq and ask “Why not us?” They knew they were just as deserving as the Iraqis.

      Islam is not the enemy but the radical Islam that teaches to hate and attack those that have a different opinion on life and religion is. You or any other may choose to worship as you wish….as long as I and all others have the same choice. You may believe those that disagree with Islam are all doomed to eternal damnation…as long as you don’t accelerate our said demise.

      Bush took the fight to Afghanistan and Iraq but the real fight is the clash of ideas. How should a people live? In a world controlled by dictators and radical clerics or one where people get to decide their own destinies? That is the real fight that has come to the Arab world. it is a fight much bigger than those fought by guns, bombs, and tanks. And it is a fight that will have a more lasting affect.

      Egypt, with all its advantages, can be a world leader again. Their location at the center of the Arab world can make them an economic dynamo as a center of culture and trade.

      Throw off your shackles and grab this chance. Or live under those constraints that have left your region destitute.

      • johnsmith
        July 9, 2011 at 5:36 pm

        you both are idiots.
        first idiot commentator says the gap was closing in between Egypt and industrialised countries and so they ‘the west’ decided that was enough and time to bring instability to those countries to halt their progress.

        hmm BULLSHIT. Have you noticed the poverty rates escalating in Egypt in the last 12-13 years since Mr. Mubarak bended over to the IMF? and if what you’re saying is true why did the Saudis-American’s biggest allies in the region if not the world- quickly sent in funds and investments to Oman and a military incursion to Bahrain to quell any unrest…yesh yesh your theory sounds all bollocks now, I know..I feel bad for you.

        to moron#2: so your theory goes like..Egyptians, Tunisians et al looked at Iraq’s democracy with awe and decided hey thank you Mr. Dubya, that’s how we want to be like too. BOING BOING..HALLO SHMUCK have you been living on this planet this decade??! seriously do you know what’s Iraq like now? what democracy are you talking about..several daily bombings, civil war between different sects and religion, DEMOCRACY!? in fatc the ruling party and PM have actually lost the elections and had the audacity to threaten the opposition with suicide bombers right on state TV, democracy you say? the fact is Iraq has had weekly protests every Friday since Mubarak was seems to be the other way around, The Iraqis are actually aspiring to bring freedoms, democracy and above UNITY to their divided country a la Tunisia/Egypt style.

    • ellen
      July 9, 2011 at 11:40 pm

      Sherif you are a perfect example of Egypt’s failures, not to mention self-hating. What a pathetic post. You probably take bribes too, and hide behind long lists of imaginary excuses (like this moronic post) to deny your corruption too, don’t you? You are the kind of Egyptian whose eyes brave people like SM and his comrades are trying to open. Your post would be laughable if it wasn’t so sad.

  16. Sara
    July 9, 2011 at 7:31 am

    I read your note from Tehran and I’m surprised that how much our concerns are the same. It seems Iran and Egypt share a great deal of similarities. Convincing a passive portion of the society is indeed what the active one is doing know in Iran. We’re being increasingly faced by the question of “Is it worth?”, ” Is your youth worth oppression, jail and deprivation of slavery?” and our fight has been increasingly turned out as warning them not to be deceived into believing this fake peace and silence. In fact they capitulate to current situation because of their fear of turbulence.

  17. Sherif from Egypt
    July 9, 2011 at 10:01 am

    “They saw freedom and liberty take root in Iraq and ask “Why not us?” They knew they were just as deserving as the Iraqis.”

    Let’s not go into an empty circle of political propagandas that will only lead us to a dead end. And let’s agree that Iraq now resembles devastation, division and failure. Today, Iraq is technically divided into she ‘at controlled area, Sunni controlled area and Kurdish controlled area. Allow me to remind you that strong and united Iraq used to lead the Middle East with a powerful army and perfect educational system.

    Iraq was a sovereign nation and now it is an occupied, divided, exposed, raped and state of the art failure state. Thanks to the American occupation and the western support for democracy and freedom. What did the oil do to save Iraq from today’s poverty? What did the democracy do to develop Iraq and pull it from the empty and constant circle of terror and violence?

    Baghdad is even divided by a wall and cut into green areas, blue areas and bloody areas.

    The same set of questions will apply to Egypt. What will the Suez Canal and the tremendous tourism industry do to Egypt? When nations are stripped away from its sovereignty and dignity, then neither the Nile nor the temples will do any good anymore.

    We cannot move towards the future without observing the history. The history speaks loud and clear and proves that the United State of America’s war on Iraq led to the destruction of Iraq. The British occupation of Palestine led to the disappearance of Palestine. The French Occupation of Algeria led to a nuclear disaster in Algeria. The British occupation of Egypt led to 70 years of poverty and slavery, etc…..

    The west is not an angel from heaven that should be followed blindly, and a close look to the western history will prove that slavery, nuclear wars,invasions,masacars,disasters,colonising,injustice,conspircy,discrimination,racesim,Holocost,etc…. were founded in the west.

    Make no mistake that Egypt was on the correct path to deal with its sever problems of poverty and illiteracy. The statistics shows that the growth rate and increasing investments along with the political stability were going to take the Egyptian people into a new era of economic prosperity and political reforms.

    Playing the song of poverty and dictatorship is not entertaining anymore, because in the heart of the U.S there is a high number of poverty and disease. Poverty is soaring in spite of the democratic system in India. Therefore, democracy is not always the way to the economic prosperity, and the clear example is Singapore.

    We should focus on the foreign intervention and decide either it is legetment or not. Supporting unrest in sovereign nations is legetment or not? Bombarding a sovereign nation is legetment or not? Attacking the world trade center is ledegment or not?

    Let’s not mix right with wrong. Let’s not get too romantic specially when dealing with the future of sovereign and independent nations. Islam and Arabs will prevail. While, the unrest will fail.

  18. Daniela Mastalli
    July 9, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    I’ve allready sent you the copy of Dora Shafik declaration on her HUnger strike1957. In all the world they spoke about this. Read well, and apart of “few” differerences, it can be applied today, but before beginnning the strike the world via media must be informed:
    “Given the hard times that Egypt is now enduring I have decided with determination to hunger unto death in order to gain my external and internal freedom. As an Egyptian and as an Arab, I demand that the international authorities compel the Israeli forces to withdraw immediately from Egyptian lands and reach a just and final solution to the problem of the Arab refugees. Second, I demand that the Egyptian authorities give back total freedom to the Egyptians, whether male or female, and put an end to the dictatorial rule that is driving my country towards bankruptcy and chaos. And if I sacrifice my life for the liberation of my country, I alone take responsibility for this action…”

  19. johnsmith
    July 9, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    عربي يبني، إكتب بالعربي أرجوك

    • Sherif from Egypt
      July 9, 2011 at 6:56 pm

      To johnsmith

      The idiot is YOU…. I will let the garbage handel the garbage so FUCK YOU…

  20. thewiz
    July 9, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    To Sherif : not surprised that you think Iraq was a much better country before Saddam was removed from power. But his repression and destruction was just as bad as what has gone on since his removal. He killed hundreds of thousands to stay in power and the people suffered greatly under him. But since he controlled the media, he kept all the suffering under his hat. And what was exposed, he blame don the “Great Satan” which is how all the dictators of the ME stayed in power.
    The US war was on Sadam and his followers, not Iraq. If the dead-enders had not raised their ugly heads, Iraq would have been so much better off. If the foreign fighters had left the Iraqi people to decide their own fate, the country would be decades ahead of where they are now. It was the ruthless foreign fighters that led to all the bombing of mosques and markets. It was the radicals that killed people by the thousands. The US would have pulled out almost all its forces within a year or two if these terrorists had not attacked the people of Iraq.
    If they had even half a brain they would have sat back for a couple of years until after the US had withdrawn as they obviously wanted to do. They could have easily taken over by waiting and then attacking a weak Iraqi security system. But they weren’t smart enough to see that.

    Iraq has a long road ahead but is on the right path now. The markets are full of merchants, people are buying cars, air conditioners, cell phones , internet, and more. The marshes are returning, oil export production is up, and tens of thousands of new businesses have been started. The city of Baghdad is one huge traffic jam from all the cars.

    Are you telling me that people throughout the Arab world were unmoved by the purple fingers? That they had no desire to hold their own free elections? Tell me it no influence on the masses….that no one asked why not us?
    I am not saying that Iraq is the single reason for the Arab spring…far from it. But since Bush started talking about spreading democracy throughout the ME, the debate has been vibrant.. I have visited many ME blogs, most of which started after the toppling of Saddam, that were alive with debate over freedom and liberty. I have no doubt that Bush’s pronouncements and the elections in Iraq have accelerated the democracy movement that had been struggling so.

    @johnsmith. much of this post also applies to your post also. The vast majority of the devastation in Iraq was caused by foreign fighters and supporters of the old regime that did not want a democratic Iraq to succeed. It was they that caused such divisions by attacking mosques and market places, killing thousands of women, children, and innocent people.
    As for those demonstrations that occur weekly…they are a good thing. It shows the people are not afraid to gather and express their dissatisfaction with the government. It shows they have a belief that their voices will be heard and that they can make a difference by peaceful demonstration. Its hows that they are not afraid of the police or the ISF. Why the police and the ISF even protect them while they demonstrate!

    None of this was true under Saddam. None of it could have happened then.

    In short, it shows democracy is working in Iraq.

    • John Smith
      July 9, 2011 at 11:10 pm

      The democracy the iraq is on the path to:
      those weekly protests you say are a sign of democracy (because the people are not afraid) are met with heavy gun fire from the state, ‘PROTECTED BY THE POLICE???police thugs and road blocks that usually end the protests in an hour. So when people are not afraid to protest it’s a sign of democracy you say? HALLELUJAH FOR SYRIA because according to your fucked up theory Syria must be the most democratic place in the universe! DO YOURSELF A BIG FAVOUR AND STOP WATCHING FOX NEWS 😀 maybe you can get debrainwashed!
      I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SADDAM AND IF HIS TIMES WERE BETTER OR NOT. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that Iraq is in better shape.. your dumb comparison is like comparing WW1 with WW2, it’s like a bullshit analysis that Europe lost less people during WW1 then living then must have been really great because WW2 was hell.. even that comparison fails because after US invasion and the ‘democracy’ daily bombings, much more people have died or got maimed than the entire reign of Saddam. If i was an idiot like you love, I would make the codswallop argument that Saddam was better because less people died!! Saddam has fucked up Iraq and Bush has fucked Iraq in seven ways to hell. Get the picture numbnuts? let me explain it in plain English, something you can fathom.. BOTH SADDAM AND POST-INVASION IRAQ ARE CRAP.
      As for foreign fighters, yes there are some there but they don’t make up the majority of the insurgency/terrorists/fighters whatever you wanna call them and most of them engage in operations against the US presence not the civilian population..I can almost hear you muttering ‘but but.. POX news sez its them those bad guys attack Irawis, our CIA and Pentagon guys say so too..’ WAKE UP. THE CIVILIAN TARGETING TERRORISM IS STATE SPONSORED’ which is subsequently sponsored by Iran to terrorise the Sunnis and keep them silenced. After the hilarious parliamentary elections, which the incumbent PM Maliki lost by more than 200,000 votes against the ‘Iraqia’ coalition of parties(which did not pledge allegiance to Iran), Mr. Maliki went on live TV and threatened the opposition(and the Iraqi people) that if he was to be removed from post, Baghdad and every major city will turn into a bloodbath and suicide bombers will run amok’ (which ironically sounds quite similar to Ben Ali and Mubarak speeches- either me or chaos) the thing is just like Mubarak’s/Gadaffi’s/Ben Ali’s pigs had a licence to kill and later blamed it on thugs, when initially the opposition refused to let go; the following day-and after a relative peace that lasted for 2 weeks- 3 bombs went off in Iraq, that really doesn’t sound like a coincidence , does it? it sounds like STATE-ORGANISED TERROR for politicial gains. Finally the winning opposition gave in-they didn’t want to be blamed for the coming wave of unrest. BTW there is no such thing as supporters of the old regime in Iraq.

      And just so you don’t sound like an idiot in other forums, ‘The great Satan’ is an Iranian reference to the US, it was never used by Saddam.. unlike Iran which always saw the states as the enemy, Saddam’s main beef was with the Bushes, not America or Americans per se, he always felt back-stabbed by Bush junior.. but that’s a very long story and judging by how fucked up you are you will probably never get it, you know what…just go back to your Fox news.

      • thewiz
        July 10, 2011 at 1:25 pm

        Yeah, Iraq was one big happy family…except for a few thousand Kurds killed by gas bombs. And the hundred thousand or so killed in the Shia uprising. And the tens of thousands that died of disease, malnutrition, ad no medical care while Saddam built temples to his one glory. Yeah, we screwed up a great country.

        And there were no supporters of the old regime?? And you say I am an idiot.

        As for the WMD. All the world thought he has WMD. Even the French said he had them. His own generals were shocked that none were found. Saddam bluffed that he had them because he feared an attack by Iran and even his own military. Then he did not cooperate fully with the UN inspectors.

        I know that the US made many mistakes in Iraq. Some led to the terrible destruction that all regret. I could go into some detail on them but the purpose of this blog is not re fight that war.

        Denying that the elections in Iraq or the expressed purpose of starting a democracy movement in the ME had no effect is denying reality. To say that there was no connection with the “Arab spring” is lacking in logic. Go back to the early writings of this very blog and read the posts and the comments. Read some of the earlier posts of other ME blogs and you will see the discussions on the issue.

        The Arab spring may have occurred any way. It may have come along at the same time and intensity. There is no way to determine current events with a different history.

        Bush said many times that the world will not if he was right until long after most of us are dead and gone.

        • John Smith
          July 10, 2011 at 3:45 pm

          I didn’t say there WERE no supporters of the Saddam regime, I said there ARE no supporters of the Saddam regime.. meaning currently and in this era of Iraq’s history, there are no supporters of Saddam or his Ba’ath regime in Iraq(a handful of nationalist intellects with zero powers and perhaps a few exiled to Syria do not make a support system) capisce?

          I didn’t say it was one big happy family then, again putting words in my mouth.. I was very clear, both times are crap. More were killed in the US invasion than during the rule of Saddam, that doesn’t make Saddam better.. BOTH CRAP. is English even your first language? English isn’t my mother tongue but surely I do understand it better than you do(and at least from the first time)

          Attributing the Iraq “democracy”(or rather civil war) to the Arab spring is exactly like those morons who say wikileaks was the reason the people erupted when the internet penetration in Egypt & Tunisia is relatively low and 90% of the people never even heard of wikileaks and those who have don’t give a rat’s arse about it.

          You are so living in your own world, to get a better vision of the Arab revolutions, I suggest you visit one of those countries.. but I know it’s hopeless for you to grasp how the world works when you quote someone with an IQ of 50 for predictions, someone almost the entire world’s population think he’s a retard…it really says a lot about your intelligence(or lack of)

          • thewiz
            July 10, 2011 at 7:22 pm

            Yeah, I said that the majority of problems were caused by foreign fighters and saddam supporters, you reply that there are no saddam supporters and then hide behind stupid games of semantics. You bore me…go attack someone else. I am here to discuss issues, not play semantics.

            It will take time but Iraq is much better off now. Saddam would have kept on killing til he died. And then either his sociopathic sons would have escalated the mayhem or a full civil war would have broken out…probably both. And if a civil war had started, Iran, the Kurds, the Saudis, the Turks, would all have intervened on behalf of their favored group escalating the carnage to greater heights.

            Again, you bore me with your semantics and insults. Come back when you are an adult.

  21. sherif from Egypt
    July 9, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    To thewiz

    The U.S invaded Iraq after accusing President Saddam Hussein of developing WMD. The allegations went farther to accuse Iraq of providing material support for Al Qaida.

    Did the U.S find any WMD in Iraq?
    Did the U.S find any link between Iraq and Al Qaida?

    The answer to the above questions is negative. Iraq had no WMD and Iraq had no links to any terrorist organizations.

    The U.S used false information to invade an independent state, and brought death and destruction upon millions of innocent Iraqi civilians.

    The U.S committed crimes against humanity in Abu Gareeb prison in Iraq. The U.S solders tortured, killed and raped detainees. The humiliation of Iraq and its people is beyond repair.

    The U.S dismantled the Iraqi police forces and the Iraqi Army which led to a power vacaum in the country. Iraq is now divided into 3 countries and the Iraq as we used to know for 1000’s of years simply vanished.

    Your presentation about the Iraqi capital is disputed and false. On the other hand, The Untied States of America is and will always be remembered as a country of occupation that committed crimes against humanity in Iraq, Afganistan, Lybia and Guantanamo bay prison.

    This makes George Bush no better than Bin laden. The only difference is that Bin laden had the guts to hate and fight, while Bush used false words to justify his nation’s evil propaganda.

    Fight and invade, but don’t use words like democracy and freedom as a cover for your hidden political and Biblical propagandas.

    • hhhh
      July 11, 2011 at 9:47 pm

      sherif from Egypt says:
      “Did the U.S find any WMD in Iraq?
      Did the U.S find any link between Iraq and Al Qaida?”

      We did.

      Wikileaks revealed both cases, and in the case of WMD, it’s not a revelation considering the US sold it to Iraq in the first place, and there were massive death tolls. The idea that Bush had to find a secret Nuke is absurd.

      A number of high ranking Al Qaeda terrorists had activity in Iraq prior to 9/11, and Saddam was funneling money to terror groups all over, including Al Qaeda wings in Bahrain, Abu Sayyaf in the Phillipines, National Islamic Front in Sudan, and Islamic Jihad in Egypt, etc.

      Abu Hajer al Iraqi was a known collaborator with Saddam.
      Abdul Rahman Yasin was harbored in Iraq after assisting in the first WTC bomb.
      Saddam broadcasted Al Qaeda sanctioned Imam Suleiman al Ouda’s sermons.
      Abu Nidal was killed in Iraq over an Al Qaeda feud.
      Jawad Jabber Sadkhan acted as a go between.

      The list is pretty long of terrorists who were active in Iraq, in collaboration with Saddam’s government.

  22. S M G
    July 10, 2011 at 9:59 am

    well said!!

    and i guess it won’t be long before the violent part of the revolution starts. polite peaceful people don’t get anywhere these days…

    good luck

    P.S. i like the way you write… keep it up 🙂

  23. Mjazz
    July 10, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    I don’t know why they have to continue to persecute the Copts.

    • jack
      July 12, 2011 at 4:47 am

      If MB comes to power the Copts are fcked.

      If MB comes to power the Egyptians are fcked.

      If MB comes to power the ME is fcked.

      There is NO senerio that if MB comes to power that no one gets fcked.

      If MB comes to power there won’t be revolution … there will be war!

      • hubba hubba
        July 16, 2011 at 7:06 pm

        from the way you make it sound.. if the MB comes to power there will be a massive orgy

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