Abbasiya in a nutshell!

 

This is why the entire Abbasiya Fiasco is retarded:

 

  1. As a general rule, as a secular revolutionary, you should never go to any protest or a sit-in that got started by Islamist protesters, especially if the goals are unclear or vague to you, because, as always, they will start it, and then once its filled with your people, they will withdraw and leave you to deal with the subsequent heat and arrests (Israeli Embassy, anyone?). This goes double for protests or sit-ins at the Ministry of Interior and/or Defense. Stick to your causes, because the islamists stick to theirs, and they are usually against you.
  2. All the Twitter talking heads need to put a stop to the shaming and guilting of people that follow them or trust them to go join protests that their neither started nor control out of “principles” or “solidarity”, because some other protesters that may have completely different goals than your own were clashing with the Military/Police/ People from the neighborhood/All the aforementioned forces at once and are urging you to go stand by them in their fight. When those people, who trust you and follow you, end up going there and get arrested, injured, maimed or killed, you may not be solely responsible for what happened to them, but you do share a big share of that responsibility, and that goes double if the that person is under 21.
  3. Also, when critics point out to you that you have sent those people to meet a dangerous & possibly fatal fate for no actual reason or achievable goal, you do not get to just yell at them “That this is no time for blame-placing and such talk because people are getting arrested/injured/killed” and expect them to just shut up and go away. This used to work, it no longer does, and people will call you on your bullshit. Please understand that the revolutionaries are not cowards, and they will go and face up with the military, the police, and thugs from the neighborhoods with no weapons if needs be, but there better be a real and achievable goal, and not another symbolic hollow stand-off. Their blood is not cheap, so don’t help spill it for no reason, and if you do, don’t you dare use it to garner sympathy with it later for your cause.
  4. When you are starting a sit-in, it’s always advised to keep and maintain good relations with your surrounding neighborhoods, even if they don’t wish to maintain good relations with you, and especially if your sit-in is at either the MOI or the MOD. You should also understand that no non-revolutionary ordinary Egyptian wants to see his MOI or MOD attacked, nor do they wish to have you blocking traffic and taking over parts of their neighborhood in a protest that a) they don’t understand, and b) you did not bother to explain it to them, or even consult with them on the best ways to make it as painless to them as possible. If you are fighting in the name of the people, and the people don’t support you, and actually send people to forcefully disband you, well, now what? How successful is your messaging, really?
  5. If there is an extremely violent group of people in the sit-in- whom you don’t know and never seen in any sit-in before- and they proceed to torture “criminals” or “thugs” that they have captured, well, you are either in the presence of psychos or undercover security agents. Either way, if you can’t stop them, or control their actions, or in this case prevent a group of armed middle-aged salafis from using actual guns with live ammo on the residents of Abbasiya or capturing Abbasiya residents and beating them up or torturing them in their tents, well, then you should disband the sit-in and urge people to leave immediately and lead by example by leaving.
  6. Also , when describing that aforementioned group, please refer to them as “a group” or “infiltrators”, not as “revolutionaries”, and most definitely never ever under any circumstances do you tweet “The revolutionaries are armed with guns and are shooting back at their attackers”, you freakin idiot, because for the general public that means that the “Revolutionaries” are 1) no longer peaceful and 2) arming themselves, thus giving any security apparatus in the world the justification to come to the sit-in and crack skulls. Also, don’t try to justify your mistake by stating that just your tweet won’t be enough to indict the people arrested by the security forces, because it’s not about the legal indictment to them, but rather the social indictment to all of us. We have kept arms out of the revolution because we understand that 1) this is not our game, 2) this is not what we signed up for, 3) the moment guns are in the equation we can be easily branded as terrorists and treated as such, while the worst thing they were capable of describing us as has been “saboteurs”, and our trials would always end in acquittals. But armed conflict? Terrorism? That’s exactly what they have been waiting for to round us all up and start the witch-hunt for real.
  7. The Presidential election is in less than 3 weeks, which would mean the “end of military rule”, and that such clashes are usually instigated right before the elections to get the revolutionary forces either preoccupied with fending for their lives, saving their fellow friends’ lives, or boycotting the entire thing (Mohamed Mahmoud Anyone?), and then spending the next few weeks trying to get those arrested out of Prison (Every sit-in ever). Are you not noticing the pattern yet? That maybe, just maybe, you might need a new strategy? Maybe stop the sit-ins all together, since they no longer work and have stopped being anything other than death-traps? Why do you insist on competing with the Romanians for the title of most retarded revolutionaries ever? I just don’t get it!

 

PS: If by writing this post I have betrayed the revolution or stopped being a revolutionary in your eyes, and no longer worthy of your respect, well, I find no better answer to give you then the following passage from Living in the End Times by Slavoj Zizek:

“So maybe, just maybe, I am on the right path, the path of fidelity to freedom. Fidelity should be strictly opposed to Zealotry: a Zealot fanatical attachment to his cause is nothing but a desperate expression of his uncertainty and doubt, of his lack of trust in the Cause. A subject truly dedicated to his Cause regulates his eternal fidelity by means of incessant betrayals”

In other words, you are a retarded zealot, fuck off and die.

35 Comments on Abbasiya in a nutshell!

  1. yqxo
    May 5, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    Maybe Egypt’s civil society is not mature enough to depose SCAF fully.

    Next president’s inauguration is interesting, his popularity is highest at that moment and afterwards it will only decline.

    His popularity at that very moment is so high he could invite Egyptians to outdoor inauguration (e.g. Tahrir) gathering an amazing mob of enthusiastic Egyptians trusting almost any word the man says. Then march with the people to Maspero, and loudly announce an order to evacuate Maspero of all military personnel. Afterwards announce retirement of whole SCAF, changes to security services/police force. By the end of day whole Egypt’s security clique would have changed.

    Reforms in police/security/army can’t be done in steps, no way those institutions has a such a powerful back-channels. Only when individual or party is on it’s highest popularity such a bold moves could be made. Though I doubt there is such courageous president in the race.

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  2. Hala Galal
    May 5, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    All your comments are greatly valid. I went through a similar argument with the youth of the party I follow and I was judged as being 7ezb kanaba who is sitting back in the AC and writing bullshit. So thank you for showing that these views are being share with many revolutionalists.

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  3. Micha
    May 5, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Good post, but you should be a little more sensitive with using the word “retarded.”

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  4. Hala
    May 6, 2012 at 2:19 am

    Yes the word retarded is derogatory but persons with intellectual and developmental disabilities are not referred to as retarded anymore.
    Anyhow, Yes, what you say sounds very logical. However, where have YOU been and the you is not directed to you as Mahmoud Salem.  Two months tops after the Revolution, many of the revolutionaries where at each others’ throats. We, the people of Egypt, came off the canaba, after living a life of absenteeism, merely a tasteless period on earth under the most oppressive regime ever.  Dear, I am in my fifties and I don’t want that kind of life anymore.  Being ruled for the last 30 years by a `person who lacks creativity, zest to life and  empathy, to name a few, is a nightmare.  I don’t have another fifty years to life.  So you’d better shape up and work together to do something.  I am not throwing responsibility on you and plan to sit doing nothing, but you, the Youth of Egypt, were the beacon to that Revolution and we followed you.  Last year in April, I was in a conference in Canada and they were asking about the Revolution and I said I follow the Youth on Twitter to know how they are thinking and how things are going from their own perspective.  One of the university professors who heard me saying so was amazed.  She said  ‘you follow them when they should follow you?’ She was telling me that because I am an educator.  I simply said: ‘Bless them, if it weren’t for them Mubarak would be still ruling Egypt.’  That is how much many of us trust the Youth of Egypt (global word I know and I know you are not all the same but there has to be something common that kept you in the square for 18 day).  To wrap, call me Pollyannish,  call me stupid, I have faith this rotten regime will go eventually.  I will not give up having Yousry and Reem, listening to Eskenderella, to Yosra Al Hawari and her Sour as well as Maamoun El Meligy and Cairokee and this lovely young man singing Foulan El Foulani.  No more channel 1, no Amr Adib, no more the stupid songs and their stupid singers we were required to hear.  Enough is enough.  We lost 15 months since the Revolution started trying to understand what was going on, when we should have been working on the Egyptian citizen.  Yes, there were many smart moves like using the mobile media to support our cause such as Kazboun or going  into marches instead of sit-ins or demonstrations.  Nevertheless, we should have used our energy to educate those who can’t read and write not to fall for Abu Ismail or any other Abu. We should have gone to these people where they are.  I heard you once saying that to Baradie but did you do it? I don’t know.  Just asking.  All I know that since the Revolution I became more focused on citizenship education which me takes to my final point, we should write in Arabic to get more to read whatever we write.  I know it is difficult but I don’t wish to be the Khawaga in my own country.  May be if we think more in our own language, we shall be able to understand our people more and  share more. Let Egypt continue its Phoenix rise

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    • NGC721
      May 6, 2012 at 6:38 am

      If a spring has sprung in a past that cannot be undone, it is just time to wined-it-up again, turn the key to the Kingdom, turn the page, & “let Egypt continue its Phoenix rise.” I too have witnessed the great reawakening of a noble people as they threw off the chains of a horrific tyranny last year in a courageous example to all of us worldwide. “To be as an Egyptian.” Is now synonymous with Freedom, Revolution, Change, and stands in the true monumental nature of the Egyptian Heart!

      واذا ما برزت في الربيع الماضي والتي لا تتم فقط, بل هو وقت الاتصال به-من جديد, ثم أساسيين في المملكة, لطي صفحة, و “دع مصر تواصل صعود العنقاء.” لقد شهدنا أيضا طريق إيقاظ هائلة من الشرفاء لأنها قذفوا خارج التسلسل الرهيب في العام الماضي طغيان البواسل كأن العالم جميعا. “ما هو مصري” مرادفا للحرية الآن ثورة التغيير الحقيقي هو في طبيعته الأثرية المصرية القلب!

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    • Leila
      May 6, 2012 at 8:23 am

      I have to agree that using Arabic more has got to be important. What we need is an Arabic Renaissance/Revival more readable books should be written in Arabic, especially children’s books.

      Its no surprise really that large segments of society appear to be suspicious of the use of English, it is basically a symbol of the rich. Call it class jealousy if you want but what we are doing is hoarding all the education on one end of the social spectrum and leaving the other end to stew in resentment.

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  5. Amged Osman
    May 6, 2012 at 6:02 am

    That is why I voted for your sorry a$$! :D I love the article ! regardless of the word retarded!

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  6. Ahmed Rasheed
    May 6, 2012 at 7:25 am

    right you are again Mr.

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  7. Publicola
    May 6, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Your explanatory remarks as to Abbasiya are comprehensible, insightful, probable, plausible, logical – in brief: correct. Thanks so much

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  8. Moh'd
    May 6, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Again you are talking to “nokhba” only…I would recommend that you post a version in Arabic.

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  9. Ahmed Darwish
    May 6, 2012 at 9:25 am

    You actually regained my respect with this post.

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  10. El Malek Tucky
    May 6, 2012 at 11:24 am

    SandMonkey you are a huge ass. A fat lonely man who projects his frustration of not getting enough pussy as an adolescent onto society. This is clear by your condescending writing tone: “retarded” “fuck off and die” Who the fuck do you think you are? Are we some ignorant people waiting to be enlightened by an over-fed privileged westernized douche who quotes Zizek from his bourgeois apartment?

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    • Anne Quillet
      May 6, 2012 at 1:24 pm

      oh and this way, you’re elevating the debate?

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      • El Malek Tucky
        May 6, 2012 at 4:43 pm

        My point wasn’t to elevate the debate. There was no debate in the first place. His writings are never debates – they are more like condescending orders. My goal was merely to respond to a man who considers himself the benchmark of secular thought in Egypt when in truth he is a sellout – as proven by his international speeches and tours, including at the notorious Washington Institute for Near East Studies, a right-wing think thank closely associated to AIPAC… I have much more respect for a Salafi than this new class of so called liberals whose islamophobia pushes them to make a deal with the devil.

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        • Tallulah
          May 9, 2012 at 2:39 pm

          For a moment I thought I was back on the school ground! The personally-directed name calling is juvenile and serves no purpose. Sandmonkey’s writings are HIS writings, in HIS blog. He doesn’t demand that people agree with him. They are free to disagree, write their comments, and even write their own blogs where they can spew forth ad nauseum. Gotta love that Freedom!

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  11. Publicola
    May 6, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    El Malek Tucky – suffering from symptoms of mushroom poisoning ?

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  12. LK
    May 6, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    In general, I agree with your post (venting) but I think it’s time you start thinking and writing about the coming presidential election, openly endorse a candidate and start actively supporting him.

    This is a post from Liberal Koshari about their endorsement of Aboul Fotouh. It is clear they had a hard time in supporting him but provide a case why they went for the next best thing.
    http://www.liberalkoshari.com/2012/05/liberal-koshari-endorses-aboul-fotouh.html

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  13. Anne Quillet
    May 6, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    I totally agree.
    Seeing people getting sucked into fights time and again as long as “there’s end scaf rule” somewhere in the sentence, does make one wonder about their ability to think and analyze, let alone built anew anything democratic…

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  14. Ali
    May 6, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    I’m not even going to start with the irony of a Libertarian quoting a Marxist, but if you really believe that presidential elections will “bring an end to military rule”, then surely you’re sorely mistaken, and revolutionaries should shun you and ban you from any upcoming demonstrations. Wasn’t this the whole point of Mohamed Mahmoud and the 25th of January anniversary protests: that the military could not be entrusted with a transition to a completely civil political apparatus, and that they should relinquish power IMMEDIATELY to a civilian government — No elections under military rule, no constitution under military rule– It seems that you are the one who’s forgetting his principles and demands.

    The Salafists’ demands were clear, and they were joined by the Revolutionary socialists and 6th of April in the sit-in, as well as many other non-islamist revolutionaries flocking daily for support. Their demands were the same as ours during Mohamed Mahmoud and the anniversary protests –that power should be handed over to a national salvation government– this was clearly expressed in many statements by the various political factions at the sit-in.

    Just because you can’t get over your Islamaphobia doesn’t mean you should try to come up with weak justifications for your ineffective and “un-revolutionary” liberal reformist doctrine. I participated in the demonstrations from the get-go expecting Revolution, not reform. You sir are the retarded person. Oh, and you’re a zealot too.

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  15. Sam Amin
    May 6, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Thank you for this fresh breath of Sanity. It seems the revolution is the only force not learning from it’s mistakes. Falling into the same trap over and over and calling people pointing it out names, which is driving many people away. It seems like some activists enjoy being in a tiny minority against the world and will manufacture those circumstances even if they don’t exist. Also they seem to think despising politics is a badge of honor, when it’s just suicide.

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  16. Ali
    May 6, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Also the people who participated in the sit-in participated under full awareness of their actions and weren’t dragged along by anyone. We’ve been contemplating escalating our worn-out futile Tahrir demonstrations into a sit-in in front of the MOD for some time now, so it wasn’t completely out of the blue.

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  17. Bobby
    May 6, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    So did you write this before your meeting in WINEP? Or after?

    Those of you who don’t know what WINEP is, search for its connection to
    AIPAC.

    I mean you expect Egyptians to take what you say seriously and you are in bed with those that want to fuck Egypt? YOU are quite something!

    Say hello to the white house scum in DC ya wad ya revoutionary!

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  18. Bobby
    May 6, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    People like you, who go and speak at WINEP are the reason the Islamists are winning in the middle east.

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  19. sammy
    May 6, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    How dare you revolutionaries join a demo the Islamists called for? We must join the imperialists in Washington! They will show us the way!

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  20. Mandarina
    May 6, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    “PS: If by writing this post I have betrayed the revolution or stopped being a revolutionary in your eyes, and no longer worthy of your respect,…”
    The quote is utterly befitting! I will add to it, if anyone indeed accuses you of betrayal, in so doing, they rest your case!

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  21. Publicola
    May 6, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    @ Bobby – WINEP, AIPAC – you inexcusably forgot to mention the third, but most important main and chief culprit for the upheavals in Egypt, Tunesia etc. etc.:
    Saudi Arabia’s top religious official has blamed Muslim sinfulness for instability in the Middle East, where pro-democracy unrest has toppled four heads of state.
    “The schism, instability, the malfunctioning of security and the breakdown of unity that Islamic countries are facing these days is a result of the sins of the public and their transgressions,” Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdulaziz Al al-Sheikh was quoted …
    In a Friday sermon, he accused “chaotic” people of wearing the mask of “democracy and equality” for actions leading to injustice and instability within the umma, or Muslim nation.

    From: »”Sin” has led to Middle East unrest: Saudi Grand Mufti«
    Ahram Online / Reuters – Saturday 5 May 2012
    http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/40898/World/Region/Sin-has-led-to-Middle-East-unrest-Saudi-Grand-Muft.aspx

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  22. Snapshot
    May 6, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    The Salafis are determined to take the revolution through their maze of insanity. It was heartbreakingly predictable that religious zealots would be given the prize of educating young minds. Indoctrination is their most useful tool. You can see the results of massive religious mind-fucks in countries like Ireland. Ireland is finally starting to weave it’s way out of the toxic web religion spins. Egypt’s will take decades before the people wake up to the fact that secularism protects all people best.

    In the meantime, the most beautiful voices of the revolution will again be drowned by bullies and shrieking sheik’s. These petulant morons are offended by anyone daring to disagree with them. I despair for Egypt. Religion poisons everything. Look how difficult it is for Americans to cling on to sanity, in the face of their religious right? Their constitution offers a measure of protection. Egypt’s constitution will be written by brainwashed buffoons.

    The revolution was a moment of hope. It showed that people could push against oppression. Unfortunately, all it has done it clear the way for a new group of power-thirsty lunatics. The ‘Greedom and Injustice Party’ and their vile bedmate Salafis will crush Egypt cruelly – as the people were foolish enough to vote for them. Realisation is a costly bitch.

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  23. Hash
    May 6, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Complaining about everything that’s going on at the moment seems a bit premature. In a way its bound to happen. The rifts, sects, fights, conspiracies are all a part of the slow but sure creation of a democratic state. Patience, however, is needed. Results will not be immediate, people will disagree, people will do things which may seem illogical, senseless, “retarded”. For Egypt to become a democracy a certain degree of education and etiquette will need to be nurtured within the public. Easier said than done, with “nurtured” being the key word. It may get worse before it gets better, but we owe it to this country to be patient, open, and to avoid passing judgement on those who we cannot understand.

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  24. Eric Cartman
    May 7, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Screw you guys, I’m going home

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  25. khalil
    May 8, 2012 at 10:15 am

    i think what is so dangerous about this article isnt the misinformation in branding as salafi the protests that continue to call for points called for from the beginning of the revolution (end of political detainess, emergency law etc) when the protests actually contained people from many ideologies and none – but the normalisation of murder in the “what do you expect?” attitude. wasnt the point of the “revolution” that you dont expect anyone to be killed for protesting?
    You make some very valid points, but there is nothing forward thinking in your overall divisionist approach. there is a simple doctrine we all need to think our way out of: divide and rule. your prose just echoes divisionist media and of course does not represent the lead in thought that needs to be taken right now to unite a country under positive and proactive common ground. you are simply one side of a coin. and that is simply boring.

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  26. ali chahbar
    May 9, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    guys lets watch our language seriously. you’re not cool…’adults’? grow up.

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  27. Tarek Shalaby
    May 10, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Most of what you’re saying, if not all of it, is completely flawed yabnel balad. This is probably due to the fact that you’ve never been to the sit-in, and you know very little about what’s going on. For that reason, you’ve had to rely on the different sources of information, most of which our common enemy, SCAF, completely controls.

    You’ve inspired me to write a blog post and prove your points false. Check it out and you’ll know exactly what I mean: http://shala.by/4b

    I love you, man. But seriously, you shouldn’t be talking about shit when you have no idea what went on.

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  28. rachaelhart
    May 14, 2012 at 6:31 am

    Usefulinformation shared..Iam very happyto read this article..thanks for giving us nice info.Fantastic walk-through.

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  29. Lolo T.Wahba
    May 28, 2012 at 12:16 am

    Sandmonkey how can you say that when you yourself admitted on Aljazeera in ‘Tweets from Tahrir’ that not speaking up when the coptic minority was attacked for peaceful protest came back to bite you in the ass in Mohmad Mahmoud?

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