Chapter’s end!

  • In my humble opinion, today concludes the end of the first chapter of the Egyptian revolution. I know that other people have it divided into sections in regards to original 18 days, elections, parliament and presidential elections, but I don’t subscribe to that. We went into the revolution with the same thinking that people like me had back in 2005: we must remove Mubarak, stop his son from inheriting us, and get democratic elections. All of us had those goals and not a single vision on what to do afterwards, because the removal of Mubarak was such a pipedream. So, you successfully dethrone a tyrant, and you have neither plan nor vision on what to do afterwards, and no real understanding of the regime itself, then, quite naturally, you fall flat on your face, and we have been doing that for the past 18 months. This has been our story: the removal of a dictator and the repercussions that follow. That’s what’s been happening. This ends today, and the new chapter starts, for better or worse.
  • I never bought for a second the notion that Shafiq is SCAF’s candidate, mainly because everyone would think that he is, so his success or failures would be counted as their successes and failures. And it would be mostly failures, because there is something called the international economy and its tanking, so he would’ve never been able to deliver on his promises, and the Egyptian people are an impatient lot, so attacks on him, and subsequently SCAF would weaken their popularity amongst the population, with no one else left to blame anymore. So why would they do that? It’s best not to have a candidate, and to turn a blind eye to Morsy’s violations, have him win as the “revolutionary candidate”- because some morons have hyped him as such- and have us deal with the consequences. In reality, SCAF don’t need to make a deal with anyone, because they have all the guns and institutions, so they know that whoever will get in will have to make a deal with them. In the end, there was no SCAF candidate, but rather the former NDP battling the MB, and the revolutionaries, instead of recognizing that they are both enemies and choose to stay out of this fight, many of them joined Morsy, something which they will regret for years.
  • I invalidated my vote, mainly because I refuse to succumb to fear-politics and thinking that they both suck as candidates. That being said, I have been under continuous attack from many of the revolutionaries for not supporting Morsy. Well, my dear friends, I am sorry that you are a bunch of cowards that let your fear control your political choices. I am not that kind of man. If I attacked Morsy, it’s because I don’t want him being dubbed the revolution’s candidate, because he simply isn’t, and will never be in my eyes. Our revolution called for a civil state: nonreligious, non-military, and this guy will try to form a religious military state. The people who supported Morsy, believing that the MB will change or be democratic, are really 3 groups: 1) People pissing in their pants out of fear, 2) People who made deals with the Brotherhood (and yes, Maher, I am looking at you), and 3) people who are stupid enough to believe that the MB will change or not betray them the first chance they got. For me, the choice was simple: have the MB and NDP fight, while we organize ourselves so we can face off with the winner afterwards, but groupthink has always been the cancer of this revolution, so here we are. Good Job. Enjoy being accomplices in what’s to come.
  • Today also marks the end of the concept of revolutionary legitimacy, with all the symbolic actions that came with it and defined it. Everyone who had it, failed. People will need to actually do something except alienate people who are their allies and continue to take the dumbest route possible at all times. If you are a revolutionary, show us your capabilities. Start something. Join a party. Build an institution. Solve a real problem. Do something except running around from demonstration to marsh to sit-in. This is not street work: real street work means moving the street, not moving in the street. Real street work means that the street you live in knows you and trusts you, and will move with you , because you help them and care for them, not because you want to achieve some lofty notions you read about in a book without any real understanding on how to apply it on Egyptian soil. You have done nothing of the kind so far, and it’s the only way you will get ahead.
  • The next phase requires 4 things: 1) For all the leaders and the symbols to, once, just once, put aside their petty differences and ideological purity for the greater good of the country (which they never have been able to do), and sit down and figure out what their mistakes were and what kind of plan amending them will require, 2) Once they put that plan, they need to recues themselves from the frontlines of the revolution once and for all, and let the second and third generation take over. We failed them, they should stop following us and taking our cue, including tossing that plan in the trash if they don’t think it would work. We should be there to support and help in any way they can, but it’s time for new generation of symbols and leaders, or we are doomed; 3) They cannot be reactionary, emotional or ignore a single front: We will need people on the development front, cultural front and political front. Without being on all of those fronts at once, we will fail; and 4) We should ignore the notion of Unity, and instead of focus on co-operation: We are too different in our ideologies, principles and methods, which would make it impossible for us to unite in one entity. Fine, don’t, create your separate entities, choose your area and work together when needs be. JUST DON’T FIGHT EACHOTHER OR ACCUSE EACTHOTHER OF TREASON. It got you nowhere so far, and it has re-enforced the notion that you are a bunch of children that can not be trusted to run an ice cream shop, let alone a country.
  • While we are too busy to mourn our losses, we should also not forget our gains; This is what we won:


    • Hosny Mubarak, his son and his VP are not ruling us.
    • The NDP is broken into many different pieces
    • The next President is chosen through fair, competitive and democratic elections, not matter what the outcome.
    • Freedom of Expression, press and speech.
    • The weakening of the MB, the salafis, the end of using religious speech for political gains (Notice how Morsy didn’t say a single Sharia thing in the past 2 weeks)
    • Serious understanding to the nature of the state we live in and the roots of its problems, which we never really knew before.
    • Interlinking between individuals all over the governorates that would’ve never taken place otherwise.
    • Serious weakening of classism in a classist society
    • Incredible amount of art, music and culture that was unleashed all over the country
    • Entire generations in schools and universities that have become politicized, aware and active.
    • A serious evaluation of our intelligentsia and why they suck.
    • Discovering the difference between symbols and leaders, and our need for the latter than the former.


  • No matter what the outcome is, I am neither depressed nor demotivated. I have resolved, many months ago, that this revolution is continuing with or without me, and that the clash with the state and the MB is inevitable and coming, and that it won’t stop anytime soon, mainly because the problems that sparked it are real, and no one has attempted to fix them, and they are getting worse by the minute. Whether we like it or not, whether we live to see it or not, this fight will continue. Many people keep saying that there is no turning back, without actually understanding what that means. Well, it means that there is no exit strategy for this mess, no quick fix solution, and no way out without serious compromises by all parties, which will not happen without political or real clashes, and won’t stop until equilibrium is reached. For better or worse, what we had before won’t happen again. This ship has sailed. Understand what that means, and make your choices accordingly, but know this: Fight or Flight, there is no going back. The next Chapter begins now.

70 Comments on Chapter’s end!

  1. Hind ElHinnawy
    June 18, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    I love it I love it ya mahmoud, this was exactly how I was thinking from last night. I will share (

    • Luna
      June 18, 2012 at 1:48 pm

      Great thoughts !! Sandmonkey You have done it again. I am in the USA. Now but commented on a writing you had wrote awhile back while I was in Egypt. This is a start for the People to taste what it feels like to have the freedom to vote. Everyone is learning. My love to the Egyptian people and May more freedom and rights ring..

  2. Mansour Hassan
    June 18, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Words of wisdom.. i greatly respect your insight and i agree with you 100 percent..

    • mervat el nahas
      June 18, 2012 at 5:19 pm

      we have a long and winding road to face….no turning back….thank u…

  3. Yvonne Ridley
    June 18, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    I am delighted with your observations – this was never going to be an easy job and for those who thought the revolution would take a few months to complete were not being realistic.
    The Cuban Revolution is more than 50 years old and is still evolving and developing.
    What you have achieved so far is indeed the first chapter, many more pages have yet to be written but never underestimate what you have achieved so far.
    To you and all the Egyptian revolutionaries … keep on rising, keep on resisting and don’t settle for second best. Hundreds have already paid the blood price for freedom and you’re right; there is no going back now.
    Yours in solidarity.
    Yvonne Ridley
    London, UK

    • Theo Persopolis
      June 18, 2012 at 6:07 pm

      “The Cuban Revolution is more than 50 years old and is still evolving and developing.”

      Do you have any idea how absurd this statement is?

      • robbiepackman
        June 19, 2012 at 12:20 am

        It is the type of thinking that leaves the British left stuck in the sixties!

    • Scotian
      June 20, 2012 at 12:00 am

      Even islamist cunts will, out of one of their two faces, wish you well…You lucky Egyptians.

  4. Marou
    June 18, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Mahmoud ! You should have been a presidential candidate for YOU do have a vision and a clear mind about what’s going on in this country !

  5. Faisal
    June 18, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Tamam ya sh2ee2.

  6. Martin (London)
    June 18, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Difficult stuff this democracy.
    So many vested interests as well as that old faithful ‘religion’ to mess it up.
    Only way is to keep at it – hard work but it is the only way.

  7. Don (@Papakila)
    June 18, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    As an outsider it appeared to me that Shafiq was the #SCAF candidate, and it seemed wise to me to support Morsi simply to throw a wrench in the “reanimation” of the Mubarak dictatorship. I assumed he would fail in office or be subverted by #SCAF so much that his supporters would see the need to finally dismantle military rule. But I see your point. Morsi can serve their interests too, by being a lightning rod for whatever failures ensue, after which some other (perhaps ex-NDP) figurehead can catch flak for them. There are many other important insights in your piece well worth considering as Egypt moves forward. In all this darkness you seem to be the only one who brought a flashlight. Cheers.

  8. Manal Stamboulie
    June 18, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Great points! I’d like to emphasize a huge caution: As Egypt moves forward all parties that want to move the revolution forward, have to be very careful not to become polarized, and, as you say, to cooperate.

  9. Hanan Nayel
    June 18, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Well written.

    You have managed to express what I feel and in a much better way than I would have. I especially agree with your premise that real street work means moving the street, not moving in the street.

    As you mentioned, there have been many gains made so far, and for that I, and many, should be grateful. However, I cannot help but feel a bit depressed today, and very emotional, knowing that the journey we face is still very long. This might be attributed to my age and feeling that there is a possibility that I might not live to see the changes we yearn for and the Egypt that we deserve.
    Ta7ya Masr.

  10. Yasmine Dorghamy
    June 18, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Very very well said! Thank you as always..

  11. amjad
    June 18, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    The point on what to do afterwards and any form of post-revolution strategy has been lacking from day one.
    I wrote something a week before the revolution that kindly posted.
    in the comment section you can see have negative the response had been and pretty much people were happy to hand a post-revolution/popular uprising to the army.
    What shocks me more is the situation in Syria, I doubt if any of us can name anyone representing the demands Syrians rising up against the Asad regime.
    They haven’t learned anything from the “Arab Spring” and they are incredibly divided with no foresight.
    this is the link if anyone would be interested to look it up

  12. Ed
    June 18, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Thanks for your thoughts great to read.
    A missing achievement you did not name is the inspiration and hope you (Egyptians) gave to a lot of people outside Egypt. In the Middle East and North Africa but also Europa. Real change in Egypt is partly depending on change in the most powerful countries, the most powerful financial institutions and companies. Let us exchange knowledge, visions, analyses etc.. to a better world in the streets of Cairo, the rural county side, and all other places int he world.Let us learn and use the experience from Egypt, Greek, Spain, occupy movements, transition towns,……. It’s along road but let’s walk this road together with an open mind. And yes it’s most of the time not a romantic revolution but hard work helping people, learning people to organize themselves, to trust each other on a local level.


  13. Nessrin
    June 18, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Bravo Sandmonkey!!! I voted for you in the parlimentary elections and would do so again in a heart beat. One day we will prevail and Egypt will be the country of our dreams.

  14. Amin
    June 18, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    I’m highly believing in Dr.Morsy and slowly trying to understand MB struggling and sacrifiyying under the former Mubarak regim and after it. It was really important to studying MB history without any bias,prejudice and tendency to understand them.

  15. Mostafa Sadek
    June 18, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Hats off !

  16. mona
    June 18, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Brilliant as always 🙂

  17. Assem A. Hendawi
    June 18, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    تعليق صديقي الدكتور عبد الله البياري .. @pegasusnim
    .. على مقالتك
    لا أوافق على بعض ما ورد في المقال يا صديقي…

    1.شفيق ليس مرشح المجلس العسكري بشكل عضوي ، بمعنى أن فشل شفيق لا يعني فشل المجلس العسكري ، والدليل هو الاعلان الدستوري الذي صدر حتى قبل الانتخابات ونتيجتها ، شفيق كان سيضمن عودة الآلة الأمنية و توحشها بشكل يضمن اعادة الأمور لسابق عهدها المباركي (الخنزير) مما يسهل على المؤسسة العودة لبؤر الفساد ، و هو مالا أتوقع إختلافه كثيرا عن مرسي. ناهيك عن أن عودة شفيق هو هزيمة للبنية الأخلاقية للثورة ، فهو قاتل الثوار ، و بانتصاره ينتصر معه منتهك عرض فتاة التحرير و قاتل الثوار في ماسبيرو ومحمد محمود و العباسية وغيره.

    2.الانتخابات الهدف منها (مثل الاستفتاء وغيره) الانقضاض على الشرعية الثورية وهو فعلا ما تم ، ولكن ذلك لا يعني أن نعلن كما فعل صاحب المقال وفاة الشرعية الثورية ، فمثلا كمية المقاطعين للعمليات التي أجرتها المؤسسة الفاسدة في تزايد ، بداية من انتخابات الشعب إلى الشورى إلى الإنتخابات الرئاسية (بجانب من أبطلوا أصواتهم على طول كل تلك المفاصل) ، وهو ما يعني رفض المجتمع للعملية المؤسساتية ، وبالتالي التأكيد على الفضاءات الجامعة ودورها في إعادة صياغة علاقات القوة ومنها الميادين و الإضرابات و المظاهرات و الاعتصامات (ولهذا السبب كانت الحاجة لقانون الضبطية القضائية).

    3.أختلف مع من لايرى للثورة أفقا بعد اسقاط مبارك ، فبعد إسقاط الخنزير ، أعدنا التأكيد على أن الصوت الأعلى هو للثورة وخطابها ، وذلك الوعي الثوري خلق زمنيته الخاصة و خطابه السياسي الخاص إليك مثلا:
    1.قلت المنابر و المنصات السياسية على طول الثورة ، و هوجم بعضها في قلب الميدان لأنه يتضاد مع خطاب الثورة و محددات القيمة لديها : العيش الحرية العدالة الإجتماعية.
    2.الوعي الثوري طرد الكثير من الرموز “التي تدعي الثورية” العوا و صفوت حجازي حتى ماقيل أنها عالية المهدي في تعبير أن ذلك ليس ديننا ولا فتاوينا ولا حريتنا..أتذكر المدعو أبوزماعين يقتحم الميدان بمعية بعض بلاطجته الذين تجمعوا حوله خارج الميدان ثم دخوا معه فيما بعد ، ولو كان تجرأ على الدخول كغيره كان ليلقى ما يستحق.
    وغير ذلك الكثير…
    لذا ففعلا الثورة لا ترى لها قائدا إلا ماتتفق عليه هي بحسب ضوابط الساعة ومستجدات الأمور منها مثلا المجلس الرئاسي و مرشحوه الذين كانت أسماؤهم مطروحة من الميدان و عليه ، ولهذا السبب كان اختيار شرف من داخل الميدان (وأغلب ظني أنه كان مزروعا) ولكن ما أن تم رفض سياساته ، حتى فرض على الميدان من هو من خارجه تماما… فالوعي الثوري داخل الميدان يطهر نفسه :أنظر ماذا حدث مع أبو حامد بين دفاعه عن الثوار وتزلفه لسمير جعجع القاتل ، وختمها بالتصويت لشفيق…صاحب الرصاصة التي تباهى بها في المجلس..وقس على ذلك حمزاوي الذي وصف المتظاهرين أمام سفارة الصهاينة بأنهم غوغاء…وغيرهم.

    4.أستغرب ممن يطالب النشطاء الثوريون بالمشاركة في العمل السياسي عن طريق تكوين أحزاب وليس المشاركة في الشارع؟؟؟ هو يتضاد مع نفسه تماما ، فمن أين لايثق في المؤسسة و العملية الإنتخابية والمؤسساتية ، ومن أين يطالب بدخولها عن طريق الأحزاب….هو نفسه التضاد الذي يعتري مطالبته للنشطاء بالعمل الحزبي ويتجاهل أن العمل الحزبي قائم على الإختلاف الأيديولوجي ويطالب الأحزاب بأن تعلي الوطن وليس الأيديولوجيا….
    أرى ذلك فصاما واضحا ، وأستعيض عنه بفكرة الـthinking tanks على ألا تكون حزبية أو مؤسساتية ، في أقرب ما يكون لفكرة الجمعية الوطنية و 6أبريل وكفاية و غيرهم (وحديثا تحول الفضاء المجتمعي الترفيهي للألتراس لفضاء سوسيوسياسي) كلهم ساهموا في الزخم الثوري ولا زال أمامهم الكثير..والمثال على الفارق بين الحالتين :
    حزب البرادعي (الدستور) و جمعيته الوطنية سابقاً.

  18. Lesley
    June 18, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Egypt is travelling a hard road, but worth it! I’m raising an optimistic glass to the opening of Chapter 2.

  19. Nora Soliman
    June 18, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    In some bizarre and twisted way, this is the best possible outcome for the revolutionaries: gives us the space and time to really get our act together and organize while the MB and the Deep State duke it out. Great meeting you at Rawah’s the other day! Nora

  20. Don Cox
    June 18, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    “So, you successfully dethrone a tyrant, and you have neither plan nor vision on what to do afterwards, and no real understanding of the regime itself, then, quite naturally, you fall flat on your face, and we have been doing that for the past 18 months.”

    Same as the Americans in Iraq. They dethroned Saddam and had no plan for what to do next.

    The Egyptian revolution probably has several decades to go yet. Look at the long history of France from 1789 to the fall of De Gaulle.

    As for the Cuban revolution, it has not yet started. The Dictator passed on his power (partly) to his brother.

  21. salma ghanem
    June 18, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    كلامك كويس جدا واقنعني اوي 🙂
    مشكور, وبعد اذنك انا هاستعير بعض كلمات في تويتاتي وهاشير البلوج 🙂

  22. Publicola
    June 18, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    Egypt – run-off: temporary present results – total; metropolitan areas
    or: some figures to make you think:

    1 – total
    Mursi: 12.709.366
    Shafiq: 11.780.429
    difference: 928.937 in favour of Mursi

    In other words:
    Mursi has acquired ca. 52% of the votes total
    Shafiq has acquired ca. 48% of the votes total
    accounting for a difference total of 4% in favour of Mursi.

    2 – metropolitan areas

    a – Cairo
    Mursi: 959.877
    Shafiq: 1.307.000

    b – Alexandria
    Mursi: 993.164
    Shafiq: 717.460

    c – Gizeh
    Mursi: 1.351.846
    Shafiq: 911.884

    d – (Schubra al-Chaima) Al-Qalyubiyya
    Mursi: 607.686
    Shafiq: 855.975

    e – Port Said
    Mursi: 109.768
    Shafiq: 130.122

    f – Suez
    Mursi: 129.221
    Shafiq: 76.724

    g – Luxor
    Mursi: 120.526
    Shafiq: 135.930

    In the 3 metropolitan areas of Alexandria, Gizeh and Sueza a majority of voters have decided for Mursi.
    In the 4 metropolitan areas of Cairo, Schubra al-Chaima/Al-Qalyubiyya, Port Said and Luxor a majority of voters have decided for Shafiq.

    In the 7 Egyptian metropolitan areas
    Mursi has gained 4.272.088 votes
    Shafiq has gained 4.135.095 votes,
    accounting for a metropolitan difference of 136.993 in favour of Mursi

    Referring to the metropolitan votes total of 8.407.183
    ca. 50,8% were conferred on Mursi
    ca. 49,2%were conferred on Shafiq
    accounting for a metropolitan difference of 1,6% in favour of Mursi.

    (basis of estimation are the figures published by Ahram Online – today, Monday,18.06.2012, 19:30h)

  23. Latifa
    June 18, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Given that your views are indeed those of a minority. If you ever reached a situation of some democracy how would you live with that? I mean I don’t suppose you reject the sense that NDP/pro SCAF elements represent say 20% of the population. The MB/Aboul Fotouh type supporters say 40% and of course perhaps 15% salafi. The obvious prediction would be that the majority “of revolutionary” forces would be tending to an islamist flavoured state. And anti islamist and anti SCAF/NDP types like you probably 15% or so. Respected as you are for your opinions you will have to live with the islamist majority bloc in power. Do you have a problem with that? And how do you square that with accepting democracy? Of course shit happens and political leaders come and go. I am talking about the people blocs in Egyptian society. To say over 50% have islamist leanings is clearly true so shut the fuck up and get involved in building an open islamic society…

    • Publicola
      June 18, 2012 at 7:30 pm

      @ Latifa – Please, do get your assumed figures (MB, NDP/proSCAF) right !

      • Latifa
        June 18, 2012 at 8:26 pm

        the figures aren’t the point. Whats important is we find a way to live anf grow. not bitch and divide

        • Publicola
          June 18, 2012 at 8:36 pm

          @ Latifa – of course the figures are THE point in (democratic !) politics,
          as they will coerce the political forces (parties) to be(come) realistic and modest in their aims,
          which again will compel them
          to take account of reality as it is and
          to develop the necessary sense of having to agree on realistic political compromises
          – which last but not least is actually what politics is all about.

          • latifa
            June 19, 2012 at 7:36 am

            Der…of course but I meant the specifics of my estimates are not the point. IOnly a moron would argue that a pro islamist camp is not the single largest bloc in Egypt (and Tunisia, and Syria and Yemen etc etc) My point therefore was in a democratic environment it would be the lead group in society and politics. It is an insult to not call them part of the revolution and for a minority of secularists to pretend as if they are the true revolutionaries.

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  24. Eike
    June 18, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Hello Sandmonkey!

    A post about classism in Egypt, and the weakening of classism would be very interesting. None of the bloggers I know, write about class relations, and have generally only little interest in poor people.

    Why do you think, that Egypt won’t return to the old abusive police state? Imprisoning all protest leaders would be doable. Egypt’s jail system is cheap, and military courts are fast.

  25. Yogi
    June 18, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Women and Copts look to be the biggest losers in this so-called revolution (it’s not a revolution until the regime changes, and it hasn’t yet, we’ve only seen a slight change in the balance of power)

    The big question is how soon will the systematic attacks against the Copts begin, and how far will the MB/Slafist take them? Will Egypt become another Sudan?

    Your observation about the SCARF using Morsi as a lightning rod for the inevitable failures is astute. That also means that the MB will be looking for their own scapegoat – probably the Copts and then Israel, of course.

    • Latifa
      June 18, 2012 at 8:27 pm

      of course secularists never blame anyone!!

      • Yogi
        June 19, 2012 at 6:17 pm

        True enough. Scapegoating is certainly not exclusive to one party.

        I do believe though that the the use of violence in scapegoating is less likely to occur or be encouraged in secular circles.

  26. Ulla Lauridsen
    June 18, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    I love your spirit. Take care.

  27. Justice
    June 18, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    The revolution was never complete. It was revolutionary but not a real revolution. Getting rid of one dictator was an incredible feat. The spirit of the revolution sang most beautifully when the people briefly united. The young, liberal, secularist men and women of Egypt shamed the oldest, conservative, religious organisation into action. It clung on and was reinvigorated by the energy and spirit of the Egyptian people. It then tried to harness that to empower itself to oppress the young, liberal, secularist visionaries. The Muslim Brotherhood treats words like liberal and secular as swear words. They can never be trusted to look after all people because they don’ value human rights, civil rights and most of all, women’s rights. Egypt needs to want a decent, free civil society for all. Otherwise it is back to the old days and talk and talk and talk. Only this time, the nightmares will never end.

  28. NGC721
    June 18, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    A tyrant can never win on or in the battlefield of the heart:Even death cannot stand against the indomitable Spirit! Right on Sandmonkey..That’s the Spirit..

  29. Samir Talaat
    June 18, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    Dude, Talk about inspiring!

    You totally opened up lots of corridors and theories and truths -plain obvious truths- that were there but due to lack of exposure to that kind of knowledge i was unaware.

    Let’s Hope for the best to come In Sha’Allah, and lets agree on one thing: We will keep on doing our best for the good of this country, and that’s all that matters!

    Thank you,

  30. Tallulah
    June 19, 2012 at 3:34 am


    Excellent article. But I have one small issue.

    You say the revolutionaries “need to recues themselves from the frontlines of the revolution once and for all, and let the second and third generation take over. We failed them, they should stop following us and taking our cue, including tossing that plan in the trash if they don’t think it would work. We should be there to support and help in any way they can, but it’s time for new generation of symbols and leaders, or we are doomed.”

    I disagree. The revolutionaries started this. You have experienced the pitfalls, and made the mistakes. Time to fix those mistakes, and not dump the mess on the next generation. Let them continue to learn from you as you continue to build what you’ve begun. Then, when you have created something of substance, they will be better prepared to carry on the work. Anything less, and they will be left trying to reinvent the wheel.

    And, for the record, you did not fail anyone. None of you had a manual to a successful revolution. It was all gut instinct, trial and error, and a whole boatload of courage and tenacity. You have left the next generation the footprints towards a better country. You have started building the foundation. Keep at it, don’t give up!

    Will share you post. As always, it is illuminating.

    Much Respect!

    • Publicola
      June 19, 2012 at 5:16 am

      @ Tallulah – I wholeheartedly agree with you

  31. Nadia
    June 19, 2012 at 4:51 am

    “For me, the choice was simple: have the MB and NDP fight, while we organize ourselves so we can face off with the winner afterwards.” That’s your framing of the nature of the struggle, Sandmonkey, and you are entitled to it, but it led you to gloat at the dissolution of parliament, which marks you out as a non-democrat. Politics is full of delicious contradictions, no?

  32. Hala.mehrez
    June 19, 2012 at 6:27 am

    Hats Off, excellent! I could identify my feelings and thoughts of the current situation with every words in your article. ….Thanks

  33. Omar Kamel
    June 19, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Surprisingly, I agree with many of the points you make here. However I believe the main reason we are in the mess we’re in now – is the fact that many people – including yourself advocated we ‘Play Politics’ far too early in the game, when we had in fact accomplished nothing save for the removal of Mubarak. In doing so, you and others who rushed to politics effectively weakened our street power and consigned us to the long hell of ‘political resistances’ rather than actual revolution. In that sense, I blame you as much as you blame Maher. Having said that, and regardless of why – we seem to have lost the revolutionary momentum we once had and it does, in fact, seem that we’re going to have to do this the tedious way. Given that, I myself – months ago – wrote up a ‘dramaturgical’ analysis of the revolution in which I said that looking at it as a three act play, the first act had not in fact concluded, and would conclude with the inauguration of the new puppet president. The second act would be the most long drawn and tedious – as most second acts are – and in it – we would witness the population at large finding out that they had suffered a monumental con, this period will be punctuated by small battles, until finally – when a critical mass feels the betrayal and is once again ready to engage in anything resembling a real revolution – and that, finally – would trigger the third and final, and hopefully somewhat conclusive act – I’ve written this up on my blog here –

    In any case, I’m not quite sure it makes sense to see the MB as being enemies to the regime, they are far too docile to be real enemies. At most, they are rivals, at worst cowardly collaborators. Also – you seem to draw a distance between SCAF and the NDP – as though they have not been long-time allies. That makes little sense to me.

    Anyway, we all certainly need to get our act together, and I fully agree with what you wrote in CAPS 🙂

  34. Yaeli
    June 19, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Moving the street will only happen with changes in education. So long as the majority of kids are raised on a non-secular educational diet, there will never be real movement of the street –at least, not movement in the direction you hope. Indeed, as we’ve seen in Iran and other places, the street will tend to move even further toward the extremists of Islam. You’ve got a lot of groundwork to lay but hope springs eternal.

  35. adel
    June 19, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Words of wisdom

  36. Turbanhead
    June 19, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Great one… Your prescriptions work for any Arab country where the choice is between a military/security-dominated regime and Islamists. So far no one who is different from the above 2 choices has done any work to gain credibility with the silent majority, the Arab street. We should start getting busy

  37. khawaga
    June 19, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    My favorite sentence is:
    “A serious evaluation of our intelligentsia and why they suck.”

  38. mallen
    June 19, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    I just added up the percentages for the top 6 candidates in the first round of the presidential election: The 3 Islamist candidates together received 43.26 percent of votes cast. The top 3 secular candidates together received 55.51 percent. None of the other candidates received more than 1 percent of the votes. It would appear that Egyptians preferred a secular to an Islamist candidate, although neither camp could settle on which one. Mursi appears to have won the second round by about 4 percentage points, but any reasonable person knows some of those votes were not for an Islamist, but against a representative of the old regime, widely seen as no friend to the revolution. But democracy isn’t about the winner taking all, but about protecting the rights of the minority. I’m not sure how that could happen with a government that favors any religion over another, or even considers religion at all.

    • Latifa
      June 23, 2012 at 5:25 pm

      ???? that is if you include Shafik in your camp… doesn’t that make you in the slightest bit uncomfortable?

  39. Pat
    June 20, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Maybe it is time to show that protests can also go against the MB when they’re becomint too arrogant. I think they’re believing that themselves and their ideology are the *core* of the revolution as such… And they’re obviously selling themselves as that.

    We’ll see if this comes true and if the Egypts revolution at the end will boost iranian dominance by fastening orthodox or traditional islamic rule among the region.

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  41. valerie
    June 21, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Good luck, God bless you, and Heaven help us all.

    As I write this, the rest of my country (US) is coming to grips with the news that a committee from our Congress, that is charged with responsibility of oversight and reform, has voted to hold our Attorney General in contempt for hampering an investigation.

    It turns out that our government has been deliberately allowing a drug cartel in our neighbor to the south of us to illegally purchase high-powered arms for use in something that looks remarkably like a war. So far, the death toll is said to be between 200 and 300 Mexicans, plus at least one, possibly three US law enforcement officers.

    The facts have come out slowly, and only as a result of persistent, partisan pressure. This story is shaping up to be an ugly, costly, deadly f*ck-up of historic proportions.

    The only reason I tell you this now, is to encourage you to be as cynical as possible when you write your procedural rules for your new government. You need to assume that there will be an endless supply of crooks and fools in public office, some of whom will have to be disciplined or removed from time to time.

    The only cure for having idiots and criminals in your government is to make it difficult for them to pull off a crime, or cover it up for very long. The more information that is available about how your government is working and what it is doing, the better off your country will be.

  42. Cameron
    June 22, 2012 at 6:32 am

    Lube up, Oh Egyptian! Bend over, grab your ass, and spread your cheeks… the mighty sword of islam is going to fuck you so hard in the ass… you will forget your own name and think you are an arab.

    Oh, that already happened. Well, get ready for round two…the second great arab on Egyptian assrape. I cannot express the actual depth of my sorrow.

  43. mai
    June 22, 2012 at 6:44 am

    Agree 100% but I can not feel comfort with ekhwan is power…and your article is perfect except for
    SCAF doesn’t not dont..hahahahha

  44. Yasser Taima
    June 22, 2012 at 7:48 am

    I think you all neglected to learn from the young Tunisians who have led and more or less were masters of their successful revolution. You seem to have believed you were, just because you thought you ought to be. Learning from others, listening rather than talking, and humility in the face of initial success carried Tunisia. Let’s hope it’s not too late for the Egyptians.

    • Dina
      June 22, 2012 at 11:46 pm


  45. Yasser Taima
    June 22, 2012 at 8:14 am

    “Removal of a dictator.” Well, he was about to be auto-removed anyway by all the blockages in his 85 year-old arteries from dining on Egyptian firakh and lahma he and his legions of associates and cronies, a veritable pharaoh’s bureaucracy, had extorted over the last 60 – no, 600, or make that 6000 – years. His sons still roam free as does the fortune they’ve amassed.

    The fuloul herd just threw out their oldest, frailest member as bait. His carcase was already rotting by the time he was delivered to court. He will not suffer the indignity of staying at the Luman.

    The real meat is among those who profited directly, who served the corrupt state, and who stood by, watched and seized what they could from the average man of this unlucky land.

  46. Dina
    June 22, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Even though there maybe freedom of speech, I would argue there’s less freedom of opinion than before, because as you noted many a revolutionary did a lot to alienate each other and the rest of the population over a difference of opinion. So I’m glad you said people need to stop accusing each other of treason (though I would argue you calling people “morons” for supporting Mursi is kind of an example of such alienation).

    I’m also glad that you said people have to move beyond demonstrations and do something that actively makes the country better like join an organisation etc. I believe that probably contributed to the outcome that we have now, because the revolutionaries, despite their commendable work in the square, did not do anything outside of it to win over the public and gain credibility with the general population. They are perceived as lazy complainers, and to an extent justifiably so, because (with of course exceptions such as yourself) many after leaving the square each time most likely continued their lives as they did before the revolution – not actively participating in something that makes the country just that little bit better. They love Egypt with their hearts, which is nice, but it’s not the same as loving it with their bodies – their action. We need to be each other’s role model, no matter who comes into power.

  47. dust n roses
    June 24, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    “…real street work means moving the street, not moving in the street…” now THAT is some real shit

  48. dust n roses
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    “…real street work means moving the street, not moving in the street…” now THAT is some real shit

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